WEBVTT 00:00.171 --> 00:02.713 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey everybody, this is your boy John A. K. K. Camelastash here. 00:03.093 --> 00:06.856 [SPEAKER_02]: On today's episode of Geeks on the Multiverse podcast, we're going to be talking about cryptid encounters. 00:07.356 --> 00:10.558 [SPEAKER_02]: So October's here, we're doing what responsible don't do. 00:10.999 --> 00:15.982 [SPEAKER_02]: Hearing a noise outside assigning it a supernatural origin and then making Matt go check it because fuck that. 00:17.083 --> 00:20.105 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, four stories, four very different kinds of evidence. 00:21.426 --> 00:27.590 [SPEAKER_02]: And again, what was documented, what was witnesses believed in what grew into retelling these 00:29.234 --> 00:29.994 [SPEAKER_02]: So stay tuned. 00:40.839 --> 00:43.821 [SPEAKER_00]: We're geeks from the multiverse. 00:44.641 --> 00:46.362 [SPEAKER_00]: Geeks from the multiverse. 00:47.022 --> 00:50.264 [SPEAKER_00]: We've come to come to unite all geeks. 00:51.044 --> 00:52.005 [SPEAKER_00]: All the geeks. 00:52.805 --> 00:56.807 [SPEAKER_00]: Now it's time to get deeky and die right. 01:15.752 --> 01:22.136 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, hey everybody, is your boy Johnny Kaye, Gamble's dad's here again, and today I also have my co-host here. 01:22.676 --> 01:24.697 [SPEAKER_01]: Mr. Robby Beer, what's up everybody? 01:25.077 --> 01:27.579 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the laugh that never, it's like, is it gonna end? 01:27.599 --> 01:29.300 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it gonna end? 01:29.380 --> 01:31.121 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it keeps going. 01:31.781 --> 01:34.282 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a song that never ends, but it's the laugh that never ends. 01:34.843 --> 01:42.407 [SPEAKER_02]: But anyways, yes, so this one is an interesting one because I don't think we've talked to, I don't know in the last few years we talked about these particular. 01:43.383 --> 01:44.304 [SPEAKER_02]: creatures of sorts. 01:44.324 --> 01:52.950 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, we've we've done episodes like more not really talking about, you know, we've done zombies pop culture, but we've done zombies. 01:52.990 --> 01:54.731 [SPEAKER_01]: We did where was we did vampires. 01:55.132 --> 01:59.695 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, not from a geek culture perspective, but from like folklore and historic. 02:00.415 --> 02:01.256 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and counters. 02:01.296 --> 02:04.538 [SPEAKER_02]: And this one kind of the same thing, but really weird. 02:04.859 --> 02:07.761 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to say, I think there's only one that I really know about the others. 02:07.821 --> 02:08.922 [SPEAKER_02]: I really don't have a clue. 02:09.600 --> 02:16.189 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's going to be interesting to talk about some of these other characters, yeah, in general, but of course, man, you take it away. 02:16.944 --> 02:29.675 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, before I get into some, you know, small talk and what we're talking about with some news here, I do want to do some CTA, so please check out our website, it's our content hub for everything. 02:30.136 --> 02:37.943 [SPEAKER_01]: You can get all of 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it came out September 18th, and it was directed by Zach Craigher. 03:18.704 --> 03:24.887 [SPEAKER_01]: He is the director behind Barbarian and weapons, which I know you haven't seen either because our core moves. 03:25.508 --> 03:25.848 [SPEAKER_02]: That too. 03:27.229 --> 03:27.869 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, that's. 03:28.009 --> 03:30.031 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but this one isn't just another. 03:30.151 --> 03:36.635 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like an adaptation of a specific resin evil game or a continuation of the previous 03:37.653 --> 03:38.354 [SPEAKER_01]: adaptations. 03:38.855 --> 03:41.699 [SPEAKER_01]: This is an original story about a guy named Brian. 03:41.739 --> 03:50.731 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a medical career played by Austin Abrams, who gets caught in an outbreak while trying to complete a delivery. 03:52.794 --> 04:00.540 [SPEAKER_01]: What's interesting is Craigger said that he'd never seen the previous Resident Evil movies, but he's a long time fan of the games. 04:01.481 --> 04:15.993 [SPEAKER_01]: So his approach was basically to make the movie feel like playing Resident Evil, so it's like you get this one character playing through an increasingly fucked up environment, surviving encounters moving to the next location and getting deeper into the nightmare. 04:16.493 --> 04:22.652 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, to me, like I, I, I can appreciate from a director standpoint. 04:24.623 --> 04:48.878 [SPEAKER_01]: a guy who's never seen the previous adaptations and then completely trying to make something for actual fans of the game like that's what that never happens that you know so you mean following the damn blueprint never happens yeah i mean it doesn't happen and that people usually see like what was made before and they try to like make everything different right you mean they make it their own and they say fuck the fans right 04:49.038 --> 05:06.841 [SPEAKER_01]: So the opening of this movie was 60 million domestically and it made 108 million worldwide so far so far okay the reported production budget was 75 So I mean it's I mean, you know, I mean they got some money to make up, but yeah 05:08.137 --> 05:22.731 [SPEAKER_01]: So the biggest conversation for us like is this finally the resin evil movie approach like we've been asking for I mean obviously yes, we have Leon we have Chris we have Jill and all those other resin evil characters, but 05:25.171 --> 05:35.805 [SPEAKER_01]: We tell like we tell an original survival horror story inside a resin evil universe that actually captures what playing the games feel like. 05:35.865 --> 05:43.555 [SPEAKER_01]: And I did see an interview at one point where he was talking about a specific scene that was happening within the hospital. 05:45.242 --> 05:51.608 [SPEAKER_01]: And Kriger was was mentioning like the whole way that they filmed the scene and the way it comes together. 05:52.869 --> 06:06.782 [SPEAKER_01]: Looks like you're in that like over the shoulder perspective of the Resident Evil games like you're following this guy in that same kind of way that the games did so now really appreciated that because it was like you're bringing stuff. 06:07.583 --> 06:10.125 [SPEAKER_01]: from gameplay into the movie. 06:10.565 --> 06:18.612 [SPEAKER_02]: So kind of like the, I mean, I know John Wick, I mean, I know they made or they're making a John Wick game, but like when you were talking about the, um, 06:19.350 --> 06:28.920 [SPEAKER_02]: the overhead scene with like you're watching those movies and it's like you're seeing go around corners and you're seeing like the the maze of of him going around and like killing the guys and like different perspectives. 06:28.940 --> 06:37.930 [SPEAKER_02]: So kind of like I mean not quite like that but like taking that same kind of concept and then of course now having the game to go along with the movie like having those like certain angles certain like 06:38.350 --> 06:42.771 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just I think it's I think it's cool when when you can shoot a movie. 06:43.071 --> 06:47.012 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know like the the doom movie that had the rock in it. 06:47.193 --> 06:47.593 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll boy. 06:47.913 --> 06:48.933 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm boy. 06:49.073 --> 06:52.834 [SPEAKER_01]: They did this whole like first person perspective thing and it was cool. 06:52.874 --> 06:55.255 [SPEAKER_01]: I just I don't think that that was long enough to be honest. 06:56.035 --> 07:11.760 [SPEAKER_01]: But when you can take a movie and be like, okay, we're going to design this whole scene around if somebody was actually holding a controller, you can see your character on the screen and that's like the perspective that you're getting it's a really cool thing and I just think like 07:21.167 --> 07:23.649 [SPEAKER_01]: You take a movie like this where it's an original story. 07:23.689 --> 07:29.314 [SPEAKER_01]: It's based on the world of Resident Evil, but you do it so well. 07:31.856 --> 07:32.917 [SPEAKER_01]: Is this the blueprint? 07:35.239 --> 07:43.886 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say for a movie like that, or at least, because we've talked about the video game, like App Naptation, like movies or TV shows and things of that general sense. 07:45.763 --> 07:50.125 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it then necessarily like the one you need to follow each time, especially with this? 07:50.385 --> 07:58.048 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I guess it depends on the movie or like how the gameplay is because you know, if I was watching, like, and I know we've mentioned the last of us, right? 07:59.268 --> 08:01.289 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it doesn't necessarily mean I have to watch. 08:02.288 --> 08:18.513 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, in the same camera angles in the game, but literally noticing each scene was identical in the first season to the game that's a cool concept because that is what was necessary for that show, but if like in the movie, you know, like certain angles are certain. 08:19.253 --> 08:45.807 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like decision making or whatever the case may be like in that like if it makes sense to do it in the movie because based off the game, then that makes sense I would say you know you have a blueprint for a reason right you have all these you know these other movies that they sometimes follow and then sometimes they go way off script and they and you have no idea what the hell they're talking about what they're doing I'm just saying I think depending on each movie or TV show. 08:47.134 --> 08:49.936 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you need to take certain concepts of what the game does. 08:50.776 --> 08:55.439 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, maybe take some scenes from the game, you know, to make it realistic and to kind of fall. 08:55.840 --> 08:57.841 [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't necessarily mean it has to fall all the way through. 08:57.861 --> 09:11.109 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, I guess I guess that's, I guess like that's like the equation of, do you want and I'll give it the example of both, because Resident Evil, this movie as far, not the old, you know, 09:17.261 --> 09:43.824 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I guess it's like, would you rather have something that was that faithfully recreates the game like the last of us did at least he's in one, or the idea that you have an original story, but you make it feel like reasonable, like because that's what I think we're really talking here is like, yeah, so if you were doing a movie on say Mass Effect, oh yeah, oh, that's going to be an interesting one. 09:44.213 --> 09:53.682 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you recreate the literal game, like they did for the last of us, or do you make an original story based on the Mass Effect world that's currently going on? 09:54.723 --> 09:58.706 [SPEAKER_02]: See, that's a tough one because in that game, like you said, it's based off decisions you make. 09:59.627 --> 10:04.872 [SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, in the movie, I would think you'd probably want to do an original story, 10:09.792 --> 10:14.994 [SPEAKER_02]: But you get to decide whether one person dies, you love whatever the case may be. 10:15.394 --> 10:16.395 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's a hard part, right? 10:16.415 --> 10:25.138 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you want to recreate that, I feel like it's just, I find it, I mean, I think I would rather watch a movie that doesn't have Commander Shepard. 10:25.318 --> 10:37.763 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think you can create an original movie where maybe there's a little small settlement and you focus on the settlement and they're being invaded by the gas of the reapers. 10:39.744 --> 10:51.664 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, whatever whatever the faction is that that is overtaking them, you have an original story, it doesn't have to contain any of these original characters because that's where you start and you start down that comparison road, right, it's like 10:52.705 --> 10:57.247 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Commander Shepard didn't sound or a little Iraq like this, like, we did it with Halo. 10:57.667 --> 11:09.771 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Halo Grano is awful and he committed a war crime, sure, but you can say in certain scenes and many, many scenes in that show, like, this is not how Master Chief would act. 11:09.831 --> 11:13.433 [SPEAKER_01]: This is not what Master Chief would do in, in, in, 11:14.905 --> 11:15.666 [SPEAKER_01]: And a TV show. 11:16.206 --> 11:30.537 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think with that, I mean, when you think of, and I, I'm just going to mention the Halo part for a second is that, you know, when you look at the original three games, like, if you were to take at least some sort of it and actually base it off of like that to the to the TV show, maybe. 11:31.386 --> 11:41.559 [SPEAKER_02]: You could have, you still would have had an original story, let's say, in some ways, not always, but like had some of that same events that we're going on in the original three Halo movies or whatever. 11:41.600 --> 11:44.363 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, again, first season doesn't have to just necessarily be. 11:45.576 --> 12:06.234 [SPEAKER_02]: All three games it could just be the one game or whatever the case is, but at least having that that that set up of like, okay, here's there's mass jib here's Cortana here's that that that you know whatever right you establish those characters, but then you're you're still building a story and then you're you're working on with whatever you have, but yeah I think I agree with you it really depends on the game and how they 12:07.073 --> 12:08.454 [SPEAKER_02]: They want to portray in a movie. 12:08.494 --> 12:15.998 [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, I guess in the case of Resident Evil, if they're having, let's say original characters that you would have mentioned in like prior to. 12:16.779 --> 12:23.122 [SPEAKER_02]: And then maybe there's like certain scenes where it is very similar to what the gameplay does. 12:23.843 --> 12:24.623 [SPEAKER_02]: That's fine, too. 12:24.983 --> 12:26.784 [SPEAKER_02]: It just depends on how you want to do it. 12:26.804 --> 12:34.689 [SPEAKER_02]: Like if I was going to watch a, a God of War series, which I know they're actually planning on doing, you know, a date Batista. 12:36.973 --> 12:50.965 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, we'll see about that one, but you know, I need to make sure like it's actually like accurate like I want to see what it would be like in the last of us like I kind of want to see a comparison because they give you a fucking movie in the goddamn game. 12:51.751 --> 13:13.284 [SPEAKER_01]: right can't follow you can't tell me can't follow that yeah you know yeah i mean i think like you you look at resident evil i think that that's an easy adaptation but like if you if you was to do say a sequel to this one and you bring in leon that's where you start crossing this like if leon isn't the leon that we know from resident evil games and they may 13:15.345 --> 13:18.546 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's not really a, you know, the RPD is not really this. 13:18.566 --> 13:20.727 [SPEAKER_01]: He's just the dude that carries a gun. 13:20.867 --> 13:25.229 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you almost have to adapt the character to your now new story. 13:25.549 --> 13:25.749 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 13:25.829 --> 13:27.429 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you might as well just get rid of Leon. 13:27.449 --> 13:30.070 [SPEAKER_02]: And you might as well just get rid of your old fucking movie because no one's going to watch it. 13:30.311 --> 13:30.491 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 13:30.511 --> 13:35.973 [SPEAKER_01]: Because then if you're watching the original, we got fucking roasted, which is what every movie does now when it's an adaptation. 13:35.993 --> 13:36.793 [SPEAKER_01]: They just get roasted. 13:37.189 --> 13:46.452 [SPEAKER_02]: And like I said, apparently, you know, somebody I was talking with actually at work day were like, oh my God, it's, you know, I haven't seen or felt the same excitement since like, like end game. 13:46.472 --> 13:49.093 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, that's, that's pushing it in my opinion. 13:49.193 --> 14:00.938 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're saying that's the same excitement as like end game level, I mean, that movie of better be pretty damn near good or like it better be in that same category is like, you know, how much that movie's gonna make? 14:01.398 --> 14:02.138 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't really know. 14:02.338 --> 14:02.858 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's my thing. 14:03.199 --> 14:03.879 [SPEAKER_02]: I really don't, 14:04.722 --> 14:13.785 [SPEAKER_02]: No, if, you know, when you look at movies nowadays and how they're trying to do this, it's very hard to get to that same hype and that same level. 14:13.825 --> 14:18.326 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, because we're talking years of developing stories in this and that. 14:18.366 --> 14:20.007 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if they're just making this one movie, 14:20.935 --> 14:24.540 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, let's say, like you said, they, they do a sequel and they do all that. 14:25.060 --> 14:33.191 [SPEAKER_02]: They better be developing the shit out of every little thing before they, they start making this ultimate and movie, you know, to to finalize everything. 14:33.431 --> 14:33.832 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 14:34.452 --> 14:39.419 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you said, I guess, I guess you'll have to tell me when you, when you go see it, when if it's worth really the hype. 14:39.717 --> 14:40.558 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know. 14:40.918 --> 14:49.408 [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of these things like two shmoes that have a podcast can already say like, this is what would make a good adaptation. 14:49.528 --> 14:51.570 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to we're going to move on to the main topic here. 14:51.590 --> 14:52.531 [SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to say this. 14:52.952 --> 14:58.058 [SPEAKER_01]: Like two shmoes from New Hampshire, this, like one of the smallest states and like ever. 14:59.317 --> 15:00.518 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, besides Rhode Island, make a hit. 15:00.598 --> 15:01.939 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, but, you know, you know what I mean? 15:02.159 --> 15:04.521 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, that's why I said one of these small. 15:05.461 --> 15:08.283 [SPEAKER_01]: Can already tell like, this is what would make a good adaptation. 15:08.603 --> 15:14.087 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we have these directors who make thousands of, you know, thousands of millions of dollars. 15:14.207 --> 15:15.348 [SPEAKER_01]: And don't give a fly-in-fuck. 15:15.768 --> 15:18.670 [SPEAKER_01]: And they still are continuing to make this shit. 15:19.291 --> 15:20.752 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, no, not just regular shit. 15:21.212 --> 15:22.932 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like fuck that shit. 15:23.093 --> 15:24.733 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, dog shit. 15:24.853 --> 15:26.053 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? 15:26.113 --> 15:26.913 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what we're saying. 15:26.934 --> 15:44.238 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just I think it's funny to me because it's like, you know, you have a game, you know, maybe you don't know what Resident Evil is like maybe listen if a studio comes to you and says we need you to help a new Resident Evil movie and you go I don't really Don't know what that is 15:45.428 --> 15:46.269 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's do it. 15:46.469 --> 15:48.950 [SPEAKER_01]: Fucking move on, like, don't be like, you know what? 15:49.251 --> 15:49.691 [SPEAKER_01]: I got you. 15:49.911 --> 15:53.113 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, yeah, I got you. 15:53.473 --> 15:54.294 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, hey, amen. 15:54.614 --> 15:56.595 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you like to be one of the assistant directors? 15:57.336 --> 16:01.819 [SPEAKER_01]: To help them make this with, you know, if you don't know what the fuck the thing is, step away, like, move, move on. 16:02.319 --> 16:02.940 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't just, like, 16:03.948 --> 16:04.788 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, how much you give it? 16:04.828 --> 16:07.950 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're gonna have a like an 80 million dollar budget. 16:08.831 --> 16:12.293 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm fucking good like I'm good We're glad we'll figure it out as we go. 16:12.393 --> 16:16.495 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're gonna have writers that don't know what it is either, but hey, we'll do it Fine, we'll do it. 16:16.515 --> 16:22.098 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, you know what I'm fine Please, I would love to hear a directive like fine, and you know what I'm doing? 16:22.158 --> 16:24.519 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll make this pile of shit. 16:24.679 --> 16:25.620 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm just 16:27.635 --> 16:31.958 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt are you wait are you telling me that's what you're gonna if you ever become a director you're gonna go Don't worry. 16:31.978 --> 16:36.482 [SPEAKER_00]: I got the shot You know, I fucking you know, just give me the budget and we'll fucking do it. 16:36.502 --> 16:43.147 [SPEAKER_01]: You know Like a drunk dude Fuckin budget I make this fucking shot. 16:43.227 --> 16:43.867 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, come here. 16:43.887 --> 16:44.988 [SPEAKER_00]: You're fucking kidding. 16:45.008 --> 16:45.649 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk to you. 16:45.729 --> 16:46.089 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 16:46.129 --> 16:51.753 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's So we are we are gonna be talking about talking about talking about Go down now. 16:51.793 --> 16:52.474 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't do that. 16:53.355 --> 16:53.675 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna 16:54.967 --> 16:56.268 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, here we go. 16:56.688 --> 16:57.969 [SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, saw. 16:58.189 --> 17:00.932 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yes, we are going to be diving in. 17:01.492 --> 17:16.523 [SPEAKER_01]: We are calling them case files because we are talking about like real, well, I guess whether the real is up for debate really, but we are talking about like real folklore encounters, encounters with creatures. 17:17.144 --> 17:21.867 [SPEAKER_01]: And I am, I will go first with my case file number one 17:22.760 --> 17:24.822 [SPEAKER_01]: which is the win to go. 17:25.903 --> 17:46.521 [SPEAKER_02]: Now see, this one, I have like some sort of knowledge because it's not something that you don't hear about, but again, it's one of these creatures that you have probably heard of, but it's like, of rest of these, I will say, like there's one I don't have a freaking idea and why they called it this specific name, but go on. 17:47.320 --> 17:51.924 [SPEAKER_01]: So the, I don't know, I'm going to, I'm going to mispronounce this work. 17:51.985 --> 17:55.288 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it, you know, I don't know why I always get the fucking words. 17:55.468 --> 18:10.342 [SPEAKER_01]: You always get the fucked up words, you know, I'll go on a, I'll go on a, I'll go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on a go on 18:11.627 --> 18:14.050 [SPEAKER_01]: There's different spellings for the Wendigo. 18:15.491 --> 18:17.754 [SPEAKER_01]: They're pretty much the same spellings. 18:17.774 --> 18:22.379 [SPEAKER_01]: They're just extra words, extra letters, I mean. 18:22.479 --> 18:24.201 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you mean like the Wendigo? 18:24.401 --> 18:29.887 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, W-I-I-N-D-I-G-O-O, Wendigo, Wendigo, Wendigo. 18:33.433 --> 18:37.836 [SPEAKER_01]: They're found across multiple, a gone-quen speaking peoples. 18:38.536 --> 18:42.038 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no single universal version of a win-to-go. 18:43.059 --> 18:58.349 [SPEAKER_01]: So the traditions vary by community of the language of the period, but historical sources describe the win-to-go as this cannibalistic spirit, monster, or transformed human associated with insatiable hunger, 18:59.169 --> 19:06.292 [SPEAKER_01]: winter, starvation, greed, and violation of one of the strongest human taboo cannibalism. 19:07.933 --> 19:17.337 [SPEAKER_01]: So the familiar modern image of a deer skull or antler, humanoid is largely a later pop culture convention. 19:18.377 --> 19:23.479 [SPEAKER_01]: Antlers are not a defining feature of the indigenous descriptions. 19:26.656 --> 19:44.639 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, because I kind of, I know we have like an image here kind of, but I know it has a rough idea of what it says it looks like, but it's like if you take a I guess like a really I was about to call it a werewolf, but not quite like that, but like similar idea, but like 19:45.495 --> 19:51.261 [SPEAKER_02]: less like more like skullish kind of face, you know, with the, the antlers coming off. 19:51.882 --> 19:54.825 [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, it's just, it's a weird looking fucking thing. 19:54.885 --> 19:58.169 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, granted, this is an image, but like it may not look exactly like this, but 19:59.991 --> 20:02.071 [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't want to fuck with this in the story. 20:02.151 --> 20:24.695 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, most of them, I mean, most of the ones that I'm looking here on Google, like they look more like a fucking zombie deer, like what I mean, it's a weird looking creature, but I mean, when you're looking at this though, I mean, this whole cannibalistic monster, like, you know, I don't even, again, why would you want to go out in the middle of God knows where and try to find one of these damn things? 20:24.755 --> 20:27.836 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I have no desire, but you know what, Matt, just like in 20:29.837 --> 20:30.938 [SPEAKER_02]: don't go alone. 20:32.139 --> 20:33.000 [SPEAKER_02]: Do not split up. 20:33.060 --> 20:37.343 [SPEAKER_02]: If you think going alone and finding this thing is the best idea, go ahead. 20:37.363 --> 20:39.906 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what, I'll let you survive all of the fittest. 20:39.926 --> 20:40.907 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm going to say. 20:41.167 --> 20:42.548 [SPEAKER_02]: You're probably not going to survive this. 20:42.568 --> 20:43.509 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm going to say right now. 20:44.008 --> 20:59.396 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we're looking, you know, like if you look up a window go like you get kind of this like it's it's almost like a wear deer like a zombie wear deer like that's almost kind of what it looks like and and that's kind of this like new age 21:13.141 --> 21:16.264 [SPEAKER_01]: That people assume that that's, oh, it's just, that's a win, that's what a win to go. 21:16.284 --> 21:26.732 [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like, um, older material is much more varied and it's centered more on the cannibalistic human or monster rather than like a band be from hell. 21:27.112 --> 21:36.840 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like it's, it's more of like a, a cannibalistic kind of demonic zombieish creature. 21:38.659 --> 21:53.527 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, it depends also on the culture of the period and you know, when you're talking about the actual time period that we're looking at the one to go, because there's different, there's different descriptions. 21:54.968 --> 21:56.949 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know, man. 21:57.429 --> 22:06.054 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like the window go out of this entire list though is not some, I mean, I know the other ones we're going to talk about, you know, of course, in a little bit. 22:07.718 --> 22:14.184 [SPEAKER_02]: I just feel like, you know, if you're thinking of yourself, you don't want, I think, I want, instead of finding Bigfoot, I'm going to go find a one to go. 22:14.984 --> 22:18.948 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a great fucking idea, especially ones that literally will eat humans. 22:20.041 --> 22:20.541 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a great idea. 22:20.561 --> 22:21.502 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what Matt, let's do that. 22:21.522 --> 22:32.589 [SPEAKER_02]: Why don't you when I go out and we're just going to go find a win to go out and like, you know, where is this located roughly like out like the Midwest or like the, I mean, it's like Northern Canada, Northern, yeah, so okay. 22:32.609 --> 22:33.349 [SPEAKER_02]: So you know what fuck it. 22:33.369 --> 22:36.951 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what we're going to go to go into middle of Bumfuck Canada. 22:36.991 --> 22:37.812 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, think about it. 22:37.832 --> 22:42.595 [SPEAKER_01]: If we take a four hour drive up north, we just head over to the Canadian border will be fine. 22:42.935 --> 22:47.057 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, traditional stories describe a human becoming a win to go like, 22:48.018 --> 22:59.984 [SPEAKER_01]: becoming when to go like after cannibalism or through spiritual corruption and other versions treat the when to go as like an external supernatural being capable of possessing or influencing people. 23:01.540 --> 23:08.624 [SPEAKER_01]: But for a when to go, like the hunger is a central part of what makes a when to go, a when to go. 23:09.945 --> 23:14.288 [SPEAKER_01]: The creature is portrayed as never satisfied regardless of how much it consumes. 23:15.088 --> 23:18.590 [SPEAKER_01]: So it becomes like this uncontrollable appetite and selfishness. 23:19.251 --> 23:25.414 [SPEAKER_01]: So I will go into some like historical accounts of people in northern indigenous communities 23:32.949 --> 23:41.438 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, the reported episodes involved fear of becoming a cannibal cannibalistic impulses or behavior interpreted through when to go believe. 23:42.179 --> 23:47.705 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think like, you know, we did this conversation with with where wolves where it was like, 23:49.140 --> 24:12.652 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were different, or you did something remotely different, you had communities that were like, oh, you must be a fucking werewolf, you know, like, right, like, you're a watch, if, you know, the people like these these indigenous communities would have had a fear of when to go's and if somebody remotely like, 24:13.909 --> 24:22.054 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a, you know, a few mentioned like, well, that's pretty, that's pretty good meat right there and you're pointing out like another person like to be like, well, you, that dumb motherfucker's a win to go. 24:22.074 --> 24:23.535 [SPEAKER_01]: That motherfucker's a win to go motherfucker. 24:23.555 --> 24:24.156 [SPEAKER_01]: Get out of my face. 24:24.816 --> 24:32.922 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, I also feel like, I don't know why I'm going to mention this, but you remember in, uh, Wayne's well, he's like, I'm the, you were late for cad and then be like, you know what, instead of doing it back? 24:33.782 --> 24:35.524 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing good. 24:35.584 --> 24:36.425 [SPEAKER_02]: I need like, wait a minute. 24:36.445 --> 24:38.027 [SPEAKER_02]: Why is this motherfucker saying you like that? 24:38.507 --> 24:39.809 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's you taste it. 24:40.089 --> 24:41.871 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you got some meat on your bowl. 24:42.091 --> 24:44.113 [SPEAKER_02]: I need like, well, hey, get the fuck away from me. 24:44.153 --> 24:49.038 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, you know, you like, pinching the skinny like, oh, that's some good mirror out there, man. 24:49.078 --> 24:50.300 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me tell you that. 24:50.360 --> 24:52.081 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna take a big bottle of that arm. 24:52.242 --> 24:54.124 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, first of all, where the fuck did you become? 24:54.644 --> 24:56.005 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna start to run neck of this. 24:56.185 --> 24:56.966 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all there, man. 24:57.166 --> 25:00.409 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna take a big body of that for an arm rod there. 25:00.449 --> 25:01.489 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 25:01.529 --> 25:02.270 [SPEAKER_02]: Ah, you know. 25:02.610 --> 25:07.774 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, one, um, this is like we talked about this with witches. 25:07.834 --> 25:11.677 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about it with werewolves and it's kind of the same thing with the one to go. 25:11.697 --> 25:13.399 [SPEAKER_01]: Like researchers debate whether 25:14.558 --> 25:26.325 [SPEAKER_01]: there is a actual creature, whether these cases of people becoming when to go's, or whether it's just some kind of a culture-bound syndrome. 25:26.505 --> 25:28.906 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's, I don't know, I feel like a fair people, basically. 25:29.046 --> 25:35.810 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that's the same thing with, which is like, you know, maybe your body heals a little bit quicker than most people. 25:35.850 --> 25:38.212 [SPEAKER_01]: So you get a cut in all of a sudden, it's not there in like, 25:38.892 --> 25:39.813 [SPEAKER_01]: you're a fuck a witch. 25:40.133 --> 25:56.966 [SPEAKER_02]: Well then also the thing is those and then that's where, you know, when you think of like witches and stuff like wickens and warlocks and you know, so far, I mean, it's not like there hasn't been documented, you know, things about that where, you know, like well, for example, in New England, the Salem Witch Trials, you know, there was an actual thing. 25:57.867 --> 26:12.817 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a, that at least was, was covered, but whether there was actual, you know, witchcraft happening or whether people were, again, it's that culture bound syndrome of like, oh, well, this is definitely, like, you're definitely weird. 26:12.857 --> 26:14.719 [SPEAKER_01]: So we think that you're a witch. 26:14.799 --> 26:17.841 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to, we're going to put you on trial and if we find you guilty. 26:18.461 --> 26:23.144 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, then it's like a, it's like, that group mentality, like, you have a bunch of people that are 26:25.184 --> 26:25.704 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a witch. 26:26.085 --> 26:26.465 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, hold on. 26:26.565 --> 26:30.389 [SPEAKER_01]: And then now you have like a whole community of people going, John's a fucking witch. 26:31.049 --> 26:35.233 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, then you'd be like, first of all, then you'd be like, does John float? 26:36.154 --> 26:39.317 [SPEAKER_02]: Are does he burn alive or does he, you know, does he melt by water? 26:39.437 --> 26:39.797 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 26:40.918 --> 26:44.241 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, you mean he put his body in water and he floats? 26:44.661 --> 26:45.262 [SPEAKER_01]: What the fuck? 26:46.113 --> 26:47.154 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got to be a hard way. 26:47.234 --> 26:57.138 [SPEAKER_01]: It's got a fucking, he's got to be a way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way so there's what I mean there's there's a bunch of cases here historical case swift runner 26:58.210 --> 27:05.457 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a cream-man from Alberta who killed in eight members of his family during the winter of 1878 and 79. 27:05.537 --> 27:09.161 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a bit of really harsh winter. 27:09.241 --> 27:18.589 [SPEAKER_01]: He was tried and executed in 1879, the killings and cannibalism were real, interpreting his motives as supernatural when to go transformation. 27:20.342 --> 27:24.684 [SPEAKER_01]: was a cultural and psychological explanation, not an established fact. 27:25.044 --> 27:32.306 [SPEAKER_01]: So he literally was executed for crimes because he killed in eight his family. 27:32.326 --> 27:41.149 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mean, again, and this is where we're saying it's probably more the culture, you know, explanation of this whole thing, because like, 27:42.366 --> 27:58.177 [SPEAKER_02]: Unless like you can actually photograph something and that was the other thing like it's not I don't even know when the actual like, you know what like taking images like it was a thing but like I don't think it was back in that time I think it was like in the early 1900s maybe, but even then I mean you could you could say okay well this drawing 27:58.897 --> 28:01.859 [SPEAKER_02]: came from this like this newspaper is what happened. 28:02.360 --> 28:07.403 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, anyone can fucking draw anything and make it sound believable, but it doesn't mean it's an actual fact. 28:07.443 --> 28:17.291 [SPEAKER_02]: And so like that's where you know, a lot of this might be, again, unless you went back in time and went to literally specific events and actually saw this thing and took a photo of it. 28:18.050 --> 28:24.496 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, maybe you could find it, but then even then you might be accused of, you know, editing a photo or it's not real. 28:24.596 --> 28:25.257 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not this. 28:25.697 --> 28:26.898 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's hard to really tell. 28:27.059 --> 28:27.319 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 28:27.459 --> 28:31.503 [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of these claims for when to go is our claims. 28:31.623 --> 28:37.508 [SPEAKER_01]: There is no historical facts or real data other than like these these cases. 28:37.589 --> 28:38.469 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's another one. 28:38.489 --> 28:41.112 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a Jack Fiddler. 28:42.718 --> 28:43.598 [SPEAKER_01]: He's an fiddleing. 28:43.798 --> 28:46.399 [SPEAKER_01]: Ashenabbi, OG, Cree, leader. 28:46.960 --> 28:55.362 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was associated with certain clan communities and Northern Ontario, Ontario, whatever. 28:56.023 --> 28:56.363 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 28:56.403 --> 28:57.823 [SPEAKER_02]: I never mind. 28:58.023 --> 29:04.546 [SPEAKER_01]: But Fiddler had said he had killed people believed to be one to go's, or that were on the verge of transformation. 29:05.706 --> 29:08.027 [SPEAKER_01]: It almost sounds like the TV show supernatural. 29:09.749 --> 29:22.873 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, except for him, Canadian authorities arrested Jack and his brother Joseph in 1907 and connection with the death of a woman believed by their community to be becoming a when to go. 29:24.253 --> 29:28.494 [SPEAKER_02]: So because they thought she was going to become a when to go they killed them. 29:28.874 --> 29:29.294 [SPEAKER_02]: They killed her. 29:29.314 --> 29:31.735 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, they killed him and his brother. 29:31.875 --> 29:34.016 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they, yeah, I mean, well, I mean, okay, they arrested. 29:34.056 --> 29:35.756 [SPEAKER_01]: I get that day they arrested. 29:35.776 --> 29:38.237 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's where like this case. 29:40.394 --> 29:46.918 [SPEAKER_01]: collided with Canadian law and the indigenous spiritual practices. 29:47.519 --> 29:55.263 [SPEAKER_01]: So they believed in and when to go and people being able to be transformed or on being on the verge of transformation. 29:55.763 --> 29:59.686 [SPEAKER_01]: So in order to protect their community, they kill them. 30:03.978 --> 30:14.206 [SPEAKER_02]: Is this one aware, you know, talking about historical counts exist of people in northern indigenous communities who believe themselves or were believed by others to be coming when to go. 30:14.246 --> 30:26.615 [SPEAKER_02]: So anthropologists later than use this term, when to go psychosis for reported episodes involving fear of becoming a cannibal, cannibalistic impulses or behavior interpreted through when to go belief. 30:27.496 --> 30:28.496 [SPEAKER_02]: I find that interesting. 30:28.516 --> 30:32.699 [SPEAKER_02]: So they were like, I don't know how long we're talking about here, depending on how far back it goes. 30:33.796 --> 30:43.283 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, psychosis, you know, to like, so think that I'm going to have an episode of wanting to eat, like human body parts and things of that nature. 30:43.623 --> 30:43.743 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 30:43.763 --> 30:45.384 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the thing with Jack Fiddler, too. 30:45.465 --> 30:47.046 [SPEAKER_01]: He was, he was a shaman. 30:47.786 --> 30:55.852 [SPEAKER_01]: So part of like what he would do as a shaman was, he would basically, he was the, the wind to go hunter. 30:57.213 --> 30:59.335 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, he almost like Ben Helsing. 31:00.155 --> 31:18.866 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and you, you know, so you have this guy who is your, your tribes, shaman who does this and the, the other guy that we talked about Swift runner, he actually confessed and claimed that he had been possessed by a window go spirit. 31:19.706 --> 31:26.250 [SPEAKER_01]: What I find interesting is, I don't know if you mentioned that part, but the sucker claim, the sucker, the sucker claim communities. 31:27.064 --> 31:29.685 [SPEAKER_02]: the sucker, what do you a sucker for believing in all this? 31:29.745 --> 31:32.507 [SPEAKER_02]: I must have been suckers because that's the case. 31:32.527 --> 31:39.451 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, when it says sucker, I'm like, what are you like sucking blood out of somebody because you're just like, I have to have blood. 31:39.791 --> 31:41.532 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you're like, well, I don't know, are you vampire? 31:41.552 --> 31:42.573 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, we'll see. 31:43.673 --> 31:54.699 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think like modern culture had, you know, it obviously makes the original story less scary, especially when we're just talking about it 31:56.908 --> 32:04.415 [SPEAKER_01]: If you have a giant deer demon, I don't know, I mean, you're in the middle of the woods and this thing is right behind you. 32:04.775 --> 32:06.597 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're, you're just fucked, right? 32:06.617 --> 32:08.459 [SPEAKER_02]: What, you're, you're, you're just fucked. 32:08.479 --> 32:12.763 [SPEAKER_01]: So like, you're just, there's nothing real you could do. 32:12.783 --> 32:22.232 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the thing is probably standing at like a feet tall and it's, it looks like it's some zombie monster deer and decides to eat you and you're just like, you want to know why there's no physical accounts of this? 32:22.833 --> 32:24.554 [SPEAKER_01]: Because there's no one around to put the tell us story. 32:24.574 --> 32:32.960 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's nobody around because if I can tell you, but when you look at history, you're really just talking about cannibals. 32:33.680 --> 32:45.969 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, I mean, you're just talking about these, we're not talking about like, you know, Montreal and Quebec and share, but like, we're talking small areas where there's no, there's not a lot of people. 32:46.009 --> 32:47.550 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you literally have tribes. 32:48.410 --> 32:49.111 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 32:49.151 --> 32:49.331 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 32:51.510 --> 33:00.214 [SPEAKER_01]: You're believing that a when to go is like some spirit that can possess you and then you're going to become some cannibalistic thing. 33:01.835 --> 33:07.558 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're really like, you're going to become a when to go and you're going to fucking eat all of us so you piece of shit. 33:08.018 --> 33:17.403 [SPEAKER_01]: We're just we're just going to kill you that you look at that and then you look at what a modern one to go as being like this Insatiable creature right. 33:18.601 --> 33:21.463 [SPEAKER_01]: There's two different, there's two different things happening here. 33:22.623 --> 33:29.087 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess to say if this is a myth or a fact right now, I, I wholeheartedly believe that this right now is a myth. 33:29.147 --> 33:30.688 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I don't think it's an actual fact. 33:31.028 --> 33:38.993 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you're right in saying that, you know, when you're looking at like cannibalists, you know, like individuals like, yeah, there have been actual cases of this. 33:39.173 --> 33:40.614 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not saying that we haven't seen it. 33:41.314 --> 33:42.595 [SPEAKER_02]: but that's how I see this. 33:43.016 --> 33:55.048 [SPEAKER_02]: It's probably some propaganda like storytelling that they would have had back in the day trying to scare people to be like, hey, you know, watch out for these windows and it's like maybe it's an actual person, but like dressed up as like a one to go psychosis. 33:55.348 --> 33:55.708 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 33:55.728 --> 33:56.469 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how I view it. 33:56.489 --> 33:58.792 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know about you, but yeah, I see the same thing. 33:58.832 --> 34:03.957 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like I said, you take it from a horror movie or, you know, horror genre perspective. 34:04.437 --> 34:04.597 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 34:05.458 --> 34:15.412 [SPEAKER_01]: a big zombie looking deer creature demonic deer looking creature with huge antlers and skin hanging off and you can see the ribcage and it's you know. 34:16.175 --> 34:36.969 [SPEAKER_01]: huge fucking gnarly mail like that scary as shit, but then when you you just see these like you know the cream murder case and swift rider and or swift runner and jack I think I'm and I'm gonna throw this out there, but I I swift runner and I think of like the cool runnings movie 34:39.030 --> 34:43.631 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that's not the same thing, but I just, I just, I just keep, I, I, I, I'm not expunged. 34:43.791 --> 34:46.172 [SPEAKER_01]: I see Swift running and I'm like, cool running. 34:46.192 --> 34:46.372 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 34:46.392 --> 34:48.133 [SPEAKER_01]: No, well, you should be as like, cool running's man. 34:48.153 --> 34:48.833 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me eat you. 34:48.953 --> 34:49.613 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me eat you. 34:50.513 --> 34:52.734 [SPEAKER_01]: We would happen to you or Jamaican, Bob Slateem. 34:53.014 --> 34:53.574 [SPEAKER_01]: I ate them. 34:53.714 --> 34:54.915 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm becoming a wonderful guy. 34:55.195 --> 34:56.055 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a wonderful guy. 34:56.095 --> 34:57.175 [SPEAKER_01]: I would know. 34:57.315 --> 34:58.556 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think, you know. 35:00.176 --> 35:06.462 [SPEAKER_01]: you have to take into context what real was and did people really believe that they were when it goes. 35:06.662 --> 35:10.826 [SPEAKER_01]: I truly do believe that they were, but were they? 35:11.647 --> 35:12.988 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the real question. 35:15.250 --> 35:16.452 [SPEAKER_02]: I still tell my statement. 35:16.592 --> 35:17.593 [SPEAKER_02]: I really think it's a myth. 35:17.713 --> 35:19.755 [SPEAKER_02]: I really think it was just more to scare people to 35:21.171 --> 35:30.819 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, really believe that there was some sort of creature out there really just waiting for somebody to come out in the middle of which is give us supernatural name to something that was just basically fucked up. 35:30.879 --> 35:33.001 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's that's all I could say about that. 35:33.021 --> 35:38.285 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, as far as as far as the, you know, I think I think, yeah, we talked about Swift runnings. 35:39.226 --> 35:39.386 [SPEAKER_01]: He. 35:40.452 --> 36:07.797 [SPEAKER_01]: It was during winter, so like if you if you believe, you know, and there was the movie that came out like in the 90s where like a soccer team was in a plane in the pool right I know which one you're talking about, yep, they did revert to like eating the dead, right after they were after they were dead, but the thing is the same I mean you still have to eat and if you are on, you know, you have a really brutal winter where there's 36:09.055 --> 36:09.915 [SPEAKER_01]: not a lot of heat. 36:10.296 --> 36:11.716 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and there's not a lot of shelter. 36:12.196 --> 36:17.319 [SPEAKER_01]: And if I know that you're going to die, be like, hey, I can, uh, you don't want to give me that. 36:17.339 --> 36:19.119 [SPEAKER_01]: I can you want to give me your like real quick. 36:19.139 --> 36:20.360 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to give me that that arm. 36:20.400 --> 36:21.640 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you don't, you don't have to. 36:21.880 --> 36:22.281 [SPEAKER_02]: You got to. 36:22.461 --> 36:23.281 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's another one. 36:23.721 --> 36:25.542 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me a couple of them. 36:25.562 --> 36:26.162 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me a couple of them. 36:26.202 --> 36:26.963 [SPEAKER_01]: Human fingers, you know. 36:28.263 --> 36:30.445 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of them some of them breaded phillanges. 36:30.485 --> 36:56.326 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on 36:56.526 --> 37:01.972 [SPEAKER_02]: No, and I agree with you on that, but I think moving forward, I mean, I guess, you know, we'll take turns. 37:01.992 --> 37:02.472 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 37:02.773 --> 37:02.913 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 37:03.433 --> 37:04.975 [SPEAKER_02]: So I know you mentioned the window go. 37:05.035 --> 37:11.301 [SPEAKER_02]: So this one, I, I never really knew about and I'm going to start with this one, not not the other one yet, but. 37:12.083 --> 37:13.805 [SPEAKER_02]: mothman mothman. 37:14.525 --> 37:15.666 [SPEAKER_02]: Never heard of mothman. 37:15.886 --> 37:17.528 [SPEAKER_01]: He is obsessed by a mothman. 37:17.788 --> 37:19.489 [SPEAKER_01]: Who is Kate? 37:19.609 --> 37:21.111 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, God. 37:21.151 --> 37:25.374 [SPEAKER_02]: My youngest child or a adult child. 37:26.115 --> 37:28.837 [SPEAKER_02]: So this one, I really, like I would think 37:30.096 --> 37:34.320 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why, but like, Scooby-doo, I think maybe Mothman might have done something or whatever. 37:34.381 --> 37:35.241 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 37:35.742 --> 37:38.165 [SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, there was a book that was made. 37:38.285 --> 37:38.805 [SPEAKER_01]: Was there a book? 37:38.985 --> 37:39.206 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 37:39.246 --> 37:40.367 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mothman prophecies. 37:40.727 --> 37:41.148 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course. 37:41.168 --> 37:42.389 [SPEAKER_01]: There was like 1975. 37:42.689 --> 37:43.650 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, great. 37:44.031 --> 37:48.275 [SPEAKER_02]: So this is a case, this particular case files, of course, Mothman, so it's, it's. 37:49.232 --> 37:50.593 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, give me the where it's located. 37:50.633 --> 37:52.593 [SPEAKER_02]: So point Pleasant West Virginia. 37:53.214 --> 37:55.755 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is between 1966 and 1967. 37:55.795 --> 37:56.295 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 37:57.876 --> 38:02.578 [SPEAKER_02]: So here's some of the historical background for this because I had no idea before all this. 38:03.318 --> 38:11.882 [SPEAKER_02]: So there was apparently a cluster of Mothman reports occurred around Point Pleasant West Virginia beginning in November of 1966. 38:12.542 --> 38:15.223 [SPEAKER_02]: So keep in mind, this is like Vietnam timeframe. 38:16.613 --> 38:31.266 [SPEAKER_02]: So with the West Virginia and PsychoPedia records 26 sightings over roughly one year, which is interesting, and many centered near the abandoned World War II era munitions complex locals called the TNT area, interesting. 38:32.227 --> 38:40.734 [SPEAKER_02]: And so this reoccurring description was a large wind or bird-like figure associated with striking red or reflective eyes. 38:42.155 --> 38:43.877 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, the creature was never captured. 38:44.478 --> 38:51.107 [SPEAKER_02]: No verified biological specimen was produced, and its existence has never been scientifically established. 38:51.648 --> 38:52.969 [SPEAKER_02]: So that said something right there. 38:53.630 --> 38:58.316 [SPEAKER_02]: So then apparently, these sightings became intertwined with other reports from the region involving UFOs, which, 38:59.210 --> 39:16.777 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, when you look back at when the when you start seeing you a foes back in the what the 50s basically and kind of on, you know, so now you're seeing, you know, other reports from the region involving UFO strange lights, alleged electronic interference and later stories about mysterious men and black. 39:17.417 --> 39:17.617 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 39:18.198 --> 39:29.629 [SPEAKER_02]: And so we search here and write our John Keel helped combine these strands into the larger Mothman mythology, especially in his 1975 book that you just mentioned, the Mothman prophecies. 39:29.729 --> 39:40.199 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, there's a few cases that I just kind of looked up like the Google AI gave me these, but there are two young couples. 39:41.337 --> 40:06.968 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... roger and linda scarberry and steven marie malet they were driving near this abandoned will war two munitions plant uh... they both both of these couples four people retarder air they reported encountering a six to seven foot tall winged creature with reflective glowing red eyes that kept pace with their car as they drove at high speeds 40:09.224 --> 40:24.110 [SPEAKER_02]: So this is tough one, this one's a tough one, I mean this all I could think about is like I'm taking the actual men in black movies like I'm not talking about the, you know, like men in black, I was always the government, you know, we're worried about area 51 and all this stuff. 40:24.550 --> 40:25.150 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's think about that. 40:25.230 --> 40:28.552 [SPEAKER_02]: Area 51, because it has been confirmed if you don't already know. 40:29.213 --> 40:30.774 [SPEAKER_02]: But we're talking about Nevada, right? 40:30.834 --> 40:32.174 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's in the other side of the country. 40:32.194 --> 40:35.456 [SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about some random ass place in West Virginia. 40:35.716 --> 40:38.338 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's a far drive to go between the two. 40:38.378 --> 40:41.820 [SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, so there's a bridge disaster. 40:42.040 --> 40:44.061 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we're talking about the silver bridge silver bridge. 40:44.161 --> 40:44.882 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is like, 40:45.751 --> 41:14.075 [SPEAKER_01]: December 15th, 1967, the silver bridge connects point plays in West Virginia to Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Galipolis, Gal 41:15.394 --> 41:37.540 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, and so apparently this bridge collapse was a real engineering disaster, and then investigations identified a structural failure involving an i bar at in the bridges of suspension chain and there's no established physical evidence connecting to mothman and into the collapse, but another or the last later mothman lore linked the signings to the disaster with interpretations raging from the creature being an omen. 41:38.381 --> 41:46.247 [SPEAKER_01]: to claims that it was attempting to warn residents or that dark prophetic warning or a harbinger of the bridge disaster. 41:46.367 --> 41:53.171 [SPEAKER_01]: So that whole year that basically seeing this mothman was supposed to be a warning. 41:53.251 --> 41:55.153 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean, that's a point. 41:55.333 --> 41:58.555 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to give a warning, you're going to do a lot of this. 41:59.015 --> 42:00.136 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to be better than that. 42:00.176 --> 42:05.240 [SPEAKER_01]: But some proposed historical 42:08.210 --> 42:09.431 [SPEAKER_01]: biological wildlife. 42:10.472 --> 42:25.741 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a or anthologist suggested that many of the sightings were actually a large sand hill crane, a bird with reddish patches around its eyes that was out of its normal migration path. 42:29.195 --> 42:31.775 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, you know what I'm sure about that. 42:31.915 --> 42:32.756 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. 42:32.836 --> 42:33.896 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, the same pal. 42:33.936 --> 42:36.336 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Dr. Smith. 42:36.616 --> 42:39.757 [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever you say there, but the other, you know, there's three here. 42:40.337 --> 42:42.257 [SPEAKER_01]: Environmental and industrial factors. 42:42.297 --> 42:45.958 [SPEAKER_01]: So the center of the sightings was this old World War II. 42:46.038 --> 42:55.780 [SPEAKER_01]: TNT plant site, which later became an EPA super fun site contaminated with chemical waste, leading to the speculation about local 43:02.350 --> 43:03.111 [SPEAKER_02]: I, okay. 43:03.531 --> 43:07.013 [SPEAKER_02]: So so far right now, like learning about broadband. 43:08.374 --> 43:18.000 [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't, it doesn't mean that there might have been some sort of weird phenomenon that could have happened this entire time, but the only thing is this, right? 43:18.100 --> 43:23.024 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, whether it's like a hoax or an expectation, 43:24.218 --> 43:29.140 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, or this like social contagion, you know, it's also there's possibilities there right. 43:29.320 --> 43:39.324 [SPEAKER_02]: So like the once the first reports became famous, you know, later witnesses knew that a strange wing creature was supposedly in the area, making independent interpretation of later signings more difficult. 43:40.005 --> 43:49.749 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, this is where I'm saying, you know, when we're talking about even like the window go propaganda is a wonderful tool right and especially because it was only happening during this one year. 43:50.698 --> 43:52.879 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't like it was, you're seeing this for decades. 43:53.060 --> 43:56.682 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you're only seeing it during this one specific time in this one area. 43:57.322 --> 44:02.166 [SPEAKER_02]: And so like, you know, I have a question for you, Matt, right? 44:02.646 --> 44:07.249 [SPEAKER_02]: So like, if that thing was really like chasing the car, right? 44:07.449 --> 44:09.350 [SPEAKER_02]: Even though it's still a bird, you know, and all that stuff. 44:10.851 --> 44:14.654 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, does that part sound like fear changing the speed estimate? 44:18.336 --> 44:19.177 [SPEAKER_02]: What the fuck are you asking? 44:21.927 --> 44:46.182 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me 44:47.007 --> 44:57.314 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, let's say they were going like 60 miles an hour, and I'm not saying that most birds are like, you know, creatures, you know, or creatures, like, can't say that like animals can't reach a certain top speed. 44:58.534 --> 45:15.565 [SPEAKER_02]: But like, let's say they were going like 80 100 or whatever, like, do you think it like it, like, oh my god, this thing's chasing me, you know, like this or do you think it was like, maybe like a reflective like they could see something like in the shadows or something like that, you know, I mean, it's hard to, I mean, it's hard to say I, there's no. 45:16.621 --> 45:24.564 [SPEAKER_01]: As of this, you know, recording in 2026, there is no scientific proof that a mothman exists. 45:25.485 --> 45:43.932 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, I think it has some sort of like, so could it have been a bird, could it have been like, you know, if you're talking this thing was behind the car, could there have been some kind of a reflective, you know, type of pattern around the eyes where your brake lights made it look like the eyes were red. 45:46.565 --> 45:49.207 [SPEAKER_01]: There's any number of possibilities. 45:49.307 --> 46:02.154 [SPEAKER_01]: Do I think it's like, oh, well, I was a, you know, a chemical, you know, a toxic waste contaminated site that caused, you know, mass hysteria, you know, I don't know. 46:02.254 --> 46:12.540 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I happen to think that people, like, if they're already afraid and you already have this, like, claim of a year of people saying, like, oh, I saw this weird creature. 46:13.758 --> 46:19.145 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you look at pictures of mothman and there's really nothing that looks like it. 46:19.306 --> 46:22.130 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it looks some of these pictures are really fucking goofy. 46:22.230 --> 46:24.853 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I did take a look at like what? 46:25.968 --> 46:46.927 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because it kind of looks like, because I went on Wikipedia and it was just like a drawing of it, but it was like, you know, take the giant wings of like, uh, when I think of the Wizard of Oz like the, um, the monkeys flying around like that kind of big style like almost like angelic kind of like wings and then have like the face of an actual moth but like it like kind of exaggerated with like the the antennas. 46:47.367 --> 47:05.438 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like really beaty red eyes and like these are really goofy and I think you know I was it possible that there was a large bird overhead that was flying and like I said the year your tail lights are already red so if they had you know white around the eyes or something that was more of like a shinier 47:06.830 --> 47:09.191 [SPEAKER_01]: pattern around the eyes like it would glow red. 47:09.211 --> 47:11.712 [SPEAKER_01]: So when you're looking at you like oh shit it's fucking wrong man. 47:11.752 --> 47:20.335 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I mean when I'm driving and if I'm like alone in the woods I don't know, you know, I already assume like oh shit dude, I was chased by fucking mothman the other day. 47:20.435 --> 47:29.079 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and I find this interesting that actually in point pleasant West Virginia, there's an actual statue of the mothman. 47:30.090 --> 47:30.650 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that. 47:31.050 --> 47:33.252 [SPEAKER_02]: There is it literally right where we're talking about. 47:33.272 --> 47:34.392 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm Point Pleasant, West Virginia. 47:34.832 --> 47:35.953 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a legit statue. 47:36.733 --> 47:38.854 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a really weird looking fucking statue. 47:39.174 --> 47:41.736 [SPEAKER_02]: But it depicts their version of it. 47:41.756 --> 47:46.518 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's literally looks like maybe downtown or whatever their downtown is. 47:46.558 --> 47:48.439 [SPEAKER_01]: But so this is barn owls. 47:49.239 --> 47:52.741 [SPEAKER_01]: Grin and I know that they're not the same fucking size that we're talking about here. 47:52.781 --> 47:54.262 [SPEAKER_01]: But barn owls 47:58.895 --> 48:08.918 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, granted, a lot of those owls too, I mean, they're not going to be as fucking seven feet ATP tall, but they can be, they might project a shadow that might look big enough. 48:08.958 --> 48:16.280 [SPEAKER_02]: But, I mean, that could be just a really rare coincidence that an owl was like flying towards them, kind of a deal, too. 48:17.260 --> 48:24.682 [SPEAKER_02]: There's, that's why I'm saying there's so many possibilities with all this, and I mean, you know, kind of going back to like what you said in the beginning of like, or like the end of like the window 48:28.801 --> 48:54.675 [SPEAKER_02]: of like actually like yeah we could see this or is this like just a myth like saying like it was just a weird coincidence that you know the the fucking bridge happened and now it was like an omen or you know it was the the mothman trying to tell them like hey there's there's going to be a death soon you know it was just some sort of like oh let's just you know keep this you know famous like sightings and all that's like some weird you know phenomenon that just happened so I want to tell you this 48:56.019 --> 48:57.000 [SPEAKER_01]: Sandhill cranes. 48:57.040 --> 48:59.463 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they have it's not really around the eyes. 48:59.543 --> 49:01.946 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really like the sides of the whole sides of their head. 49:02.187 --> 49:02.367 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 49:03.829 --> 49:10.597 [SPEAKER_01]: So smaller, smaller sandhill cranes can be about two and a half to three feet tall. 49:12.710 --> 49:19.253 [SPEAKER_01]: The larger ones can be nearly four and a half to five feet tall. 49:20.174 --> 49:23.776 [SPEAKER_01]: And their wingspan six to seven feet. 49:24.997 --> 49:25.437 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I see. 49:25.997 --> 49:32.741 [SPEAKER_01]: So when you're talking like here, if these indeed were the creatures that you're 49:33.621 --> 49:52.577 [SPEAKER_01]: It's directly speaking of, yes, they have long fucking legs because they're I mean, look up a crane, you know, I mean, I'm looking up that what you're talking about the same hill crane theory, they have I mean some of them have darker fur, but they're they are mainly like kind of a white and dirty, so it's it's kind of you can mistake them in the dark. 49:54.469 --> 50:02.465 [SPEAKER_01]: They have long legs, they have a huge freaking wingspan, like I'm assuming if you were already afraid of this mothman thing happening in the 66. 50:05.700 --> 50:16.185 [SPEAKER_01]: You see this fucking thing by itself or it's flying overhead and like, you have this like the seven foot wingspan coming out and it's like, you know, the little as long as it doesn't go. 50:16.205 --> 50:21.488 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you're like, well, what the fuck was that the dull, you know, the little legs that's like walking towards you. 50:21.508 --> 50:26.850 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess you could be like, who should this is, my husband like the fuck out like, I don't know. 50:27.871 --> 50:29.572 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it is a similar to. 50:31.507 --> 50:44.645 [SPEAKER_01]: the wind to go and mean like there's a hysteria that was created in that year and then they go, well, we had what 50 sightings of mothman during that year and now the bridge collapse, like it has to be a thing. 50:45.847 --> 50:47.008 [SPEAKER_01]: Gotta be saying, you know what I'm saying? 50:47.028 --> 50:48.250 [SPEAKER_02]: We gotta make a book about it, you know? 50:49.760 --> 50:50.421 [SPEAKER_02]: I agree. 50:50.521 --> 50:52.602 [SPEAKER_02]: I think this one was it's definitely a myth. 50:52.762 --> 51:16.416 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's just more to like create that hysterical, you know, or hysteria factor where, you know, people just want to be like, hey, you know, we got to find something new and creative and they, you know, they thought about this and then of course, like that guy talking about the San Hill cranes like, yeah, I could, I could see that like I could see like because I was looking at one two and I was like, okay, I see the red eyes and see the red kind of, um, kind of looks like a paint splash in front of their eyes or whatever. 51:18.246 --> 51:23.449 [SPEAKER_02]: And so like I can see that I can see why he was saying that could be a possibility during that time frame. 51:23.969 --> 51:25.870 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I really don't think this is a real thing. 51:25.910 --> 51:26.870 [SPEAKER_02]: And if it was a real thing. 51:26.890 --> 51:29.732 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's just the weird fucking thing to be saying. 51:29.772 --> 51:34.294 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I don't know because like I said, I don't know whether or not, you know, Moss are, you know, 51:35.793 --> 51:46.498 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's kind of sour, but like, you know, like, if I see this month, man, like, or whatever, you know, I don't, it's not like it has like these, unless it's like these razor shop, like teeth, you know, trying to attack you kind of a deal. 51:47.018 --> 51:47.919 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't really see that. 51:47.959 --> 51:52.521 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a great concept for a horror movie, but in real life, I don't think it's just, this is not a thing. 51:52.541 --> 51:53.842 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it just, it feels like... 51:54.482 --> 51:56.843 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a great concept for absolutely, it's a great concept. 51:56.863 --> 52:01.146 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like a cultural, you know, the cultural psychosis thing that happened with the one to go. 52:01.166 --> 52:03.387 [SPEAKER_01]: It happened with werewolves and everything else. 52:03.787 --> 52:04.208 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 52:04.308 --> 52:06.649 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go into case file number three. 52:07.109 --> 52:07.430 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, boy. 52:08.150 --> 52:08.850 [SPEAKER_01]: Skinwalkers. 52:09.611 --> 52:11.112 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, oh, boy. 52:11.312 --> 52:12.312 [SPEAKER_01]: This one needs cleanup. 52:13.093 --> 52:18.356 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, that's because the internet, which is famous for its creepypostas. 52:19.396 --> 52:20.917 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not talking about pasta, that's creepy. 52:20.937 --> 52:23.599 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about the idea behind a creepypasta. 52:25.888 --> 52:35.734 [SPEAKER_01]: They turn this skinwalker idea for pretty much any fucked up animal somebody sees like standing kind of strange on a ring camera. 52:36.254 --> 52:39.736 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's not what a traditional skinwalker is. 52:40.637 --> 52:42.958 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's like, let's clean this up. 52:42.998 --> 52:49.762 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause this comes from like a Navajo Native American tradition and set of beliefs. 52:52.496 --> 52:55.358 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even pronouncing this work because that's a fucked up word right there. 52:55.378 --> 53:08.888 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even saying that, but it roughly conveys the idea of something that goes on all fours, more importantly, like a skinwalker isn't traditionally a species of cryptid. 53:08.948 --> 53:14.372 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a human being practicing harmful witchcraft. 53:14.453 --> 53:14.613 [SPEAKER_01]: So, 53:16.095 --> 53:27.021 [SPEAKER_01]: When we look at the actual tradition of what a skinwalker is, it's a benevolent witch who can transform into possess or disguise themselves as an animal. 53:28.202 --> 53:40.489 [SPEAKER_01]: And because traditional Navajo culture views the discussion of these figures with outsiders as cultural taboo documented historical cases are extremely rare in mainstream history. 53:41.252 --> 53:44.375 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at like these skinwalkers. 53:44.395 --> 53:45.896 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's so many variations. 53:45.936 --> 53:50.260 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we're talking like a werewolf, like Esk, you know, like skinwalker. 53:50.300 --> 54:01.070 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I see one that's like a weird fucking deer head, you know, like it's all like it shows the bones and it has like these weird, long fucking arms and like, you know, kind of legs and stuff. 54:01.090 --> 54:03.673 [SPEAKER_02]: And so like, you know, you're looking at all these variations. 54:03.693 --> 54:05.534 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you have one that is like a white, 54:06.375 --> 54:14.023 [SPEAKER_02]: like a very tall white like being, but it's very skinny, it's very tall like, you know, kind of walking around like on all fours and like doing all that. 54:14.063 --> 54:16.125 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's so many variations. 54:16.145 --> 54:25.274 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, there's, I mean, there's like, I mean, there are some are, like, just really, you know, it's like, they're, they kind of look like if you watch the movie, Legion, like, oh, yeah, yeah. 54:26.074 --> 54:28.055 [SPEAKER_01]: They're almost kind of like not really animals. 54:28.075 --> 54:33.917 [SPEAKER_01]: They're just kind of like these weird, misshapen human demonic-looking things. 54:34.818 --> 54:41.040 [SPEAKER_01]: Interestingly enough, the same images for when to go are coming up for skinwalkers. 54:41.560 --> 54:42.280 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying. 54:42.761 --> 54:48.223 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they come from, I mean, granted it is from like Native American or Indian cultures. 54:48.283 --> 54:49.983 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's the thing, and I get that. 54:50.043 --> 54:52.744 [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, yeah, it is fucking weird. 54:54.745 --> 54:57.047 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a event that happened in 1878. 54:57.387 --> 54:59.088 [SPEAKER_01]: What does everything happen in 1878? 54:59.549 --> 55:00.129 [SPEAKER_01]: What's going on? 55:00.149 --> 55:01.150 [SPEAKER_01]: About the 1870s. 55:01.230 --> 55:02.311 [SPEAKER_01]: I was a terrible fucking year. 55:02.591 --> 55:03.712 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, shit. 55:03.912 --> 55:06.294 [SPEAKER_01]: There was an event that happened in 1878. 55:06.354 --> 55:11.017 [SPEAKER_01]: It was similar very much similar to the witch trials. 55:12.245 --> 55:15.106 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, probably some of the other things that we're going on. 55:15.407 --> 55:18.728 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so this was the Navajo witch purge of 1878. 55:18.828 --> 55:24.631 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I love how the net, the Navajo's were getting what other witches okay, going. 55:24.871 --> 55:37.277 [SPEAKER_01]: So during a period of severe social and economic stress shortly after the Navajo returned from the long walk, that was their forced relocation by the US military. 55:39.290 --> 55:42.631 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's what they call it, the long walk because they had them. 55:42.931 --> 55:44.112 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I thought it was the trail of tears. 55:44.132 --> 55:46.712 [SPEAKER_01]: They had to migrate from where they were to a new place. 55:46.752 --> 55:50.314 [SPEAKER_01]: So the fear of witchcraft escalated within their community. 55:51.114 --> 56:03.798 [SPEAKER_01]: So accusations, peaked, leading to what historians and records document as the Navajo witch purge of 1870, were approximately 40 individuals suspected of practicing dark witchcraft or skin walking. 56:04.638 --> 56:11.380 [SPEAKER_01]: were killed by other tribe members before federal or local authorities or traditional stabilization stepped in. 56:14.260 --> 56:27.664 [SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, pretty much like the Salem which trials, the Navajo did their own, you know, which trials and they basically just purged everyone that they suspected as practicing dark witchcraft. 56:30.521 --> 56:41.869 [SPEAKER_01]: early accounts, which there's obviously there's not a whole lot of them, because the Navajo don't technically talk about their traditions with, like I said before, they don't talk about it with mainstream society. 56:41.949 --> 56:46.312 [SPEAKER_01]: So everything is usually kept tightly wound within the Navajo tribes. 56:46.832 --> 56:52.516 [SPEAKER_02]: So I was going to say this, I actually like this up too, is that when everyone talks about 56:55.310 --> 57:05.635 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize that there was also a lot of military relocations, even during that 1870s, like they would call it like the Trello of Tears for like all these other groups of individuals. 57:05.695 --> 57:06.415 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know that. 57:06.515 --> 57:10.957 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize that that was still happening after, because the original Trello Tears happened in the 1830s. 57:11.637 --> 57:14.258 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're talking like a 40, 50-year time span. 57:14.318 --> 57:15.379 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 57:15.399 --> 57:17.720 [SPEAKER_02]: They're still doing this shit and it sounds like holy shit. 57:17.860 --> 57:19.701 [SPEAKER_02]: So that kind of makes sense. 57:19.721 --> 57:21.021 [SPEAKER_02]: So what was going on, but go ahead. 57:23.022 --> 57:30.544 [SPEAKER_01]: This was a guy named Will Evans, historical trade recollection of recollections, recollections. 57:31.245 --> 57:42.068 [SPEAKER_01]: The local Navajo community, this was like late 19th, early 20th, uh, widely suspected a man known as many goat's uncle. 57:43.516 --> 57:44.277 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, hold on a second. 57:44.297 --> 57:46.458 [SPEAKER_02]: Before we go any further, why is it? 57:47.259 --> 57:49.380 [SPEAKER_02]: Why, and I know we're gonna agree on this. 57:49.881 --> 57:52.563 [SPEAKER_02]: Why is it with the Native American culture? 57:52.883 --> 57:55.825 [SPEAKER_02]: Or allow, okay, sorry, sure. 57:55.885 --> 57:58.247 [SPEAKER_02]: Native Americans, Indians, whatever the proper term is. 57:58.707 --> 58:00.828 [SPEAKER_02]: Why do they have to have the most interesting names? 58:01.889 --> 58:12.457 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand it, like, you know, walking tall or get the fuck out of it, like, you know, I could just like make up a random one and that's my name and then what was his name just to many goats uncle? 58:13.635 --> 58:18.219 [SPEAKER_02]: What the, where you drunk her high when you came up with that name, you know, he probably has many goats and he was an uncle. 58:18.459 --> 58:24.305 [SPEAKER_01]: So there you go, maybe I mean, literally, but I just, but they suspected him as being a skin walker. 58:24.845 --> 58:39.399 [SPEAKER_01]: And basically the details of this was that he was blamed for untreatable illnesses, mysterious deaths, and performing dark rituals such as using remains from graves to make malicious medicine darts. 58:41.428 --> 58:57.065 [SPEAKER_01]: So fearing that directly killing him would unleash worse curses, the community avoided him until he was reportedly struck and killed by a lightning bolt during a severe storm, and event the community viewed with mixed feelings of relief and all. 58:58.346 --> 59:02.551 [SPEAKER_01]: Had you fucking imagine that, I didn't even imagine that, like that's, that is a random 59:04.094 --> 59:06.434 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know what this dude was doing. 59:06.514 --> 59:11.395 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I doubt that he was a witch or like, you know, practicing witchcraft. 59:11.455 --> 59:14.156 [SPEAKER_01]: But like, I don't feel like living your life. 59:14.176 --> 59:15.696 [SPEAKER_01]: And then everyone's like, well, fuck this guy. 59:15.716 --> 59:17.337 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're just talking to talk to him. 59:17.377 --> 59:19.357 [SPEAKER_01]: And then literally getting hit by lightning. 59:20.957 --> 59:22.738 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you guys start by light by lightning. 59:22.778 --> 59:26.158 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, okay, that's a fucked up way to die all of a sudden. 59:26.238 --> 59:28.479 [SPEAKER_01]: But like, but this is one of those things. 59:28.499 --> 59:32.780 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, the psychosis continues because you're accusing this 59:34.885 --> 59:35.085 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 59:35.605 --> 59:40.649 [SPEAKER_01]: And then a literal lightning bolt from this guy granted these people are not from the city. 59:40.669 --> 59:45.832 [SPEAKER_01]: They do not have computers or cell phones or compete, you know, and they don't have anything. 59:47.073 --> 59:50.515 [SPEAKER_01]: What we're talking early like late 19th early 20th century. 59:50.995 --> 59:52.276 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't even have fucking phones. 59:52.796 --> 59:53.797 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they don't have shit. 59:53.857 --> 59:54.517 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they don't have shit. 59:54.537 --> 59:55.458 [SPEAKER_01]: They're living in the wilderness. 59:55.478 --> 59:58.080 [SPEAKER_01]: They believe in supernatural things. 59:58.100 --> 01:00:01.502 [SPEAKER_01]: They believe in in nature and stuff like this in this guy. 01:00:02.664 --> 01:00:06.327 [SPEAKER_01]: Both from the sky literally kills him and they're like, I knew it. 01:00:06.347 --> 01:00:09.369 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a fucking witch. 01:00:10.010 --> 01:00:17.155 [SPEAKER_01]: Like what it continues that like that community psychosis and you're like, see if he wasn't a witch, he wouldn't have been struck by lightning. 01:00:18.056 --> 01:00:20.378 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know what I'm like. 01:00:20.398 --> 01:00:23.780 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I know getting hit by lightning is so rare. 01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:25.802 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the thing, but like for his sake. 01:00:26.980 --> 01:00:32.745 [SPEAKER_02]: to do like to be accused of being a witch being exiled and then literally not so long afterwards getting hit by lightning. 01:00:33.306 --> 01:00:52.462 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean that's I mean that's it's still pretty shitty and anyway you look at it but you know Matt I don't know what's going on here but there's a lot of psychosis going on here that there's a lot of psychosis going back and back like nobody they always have to come up with something they always want to scare people and I think this is this is one of those really like 01:00:53.353 --> 01:01:13.659 [SPEAKER_01]: don't you don't want to be near those skinwalkers you don't want to be near those when to go you know like so the the popular case and this was a this has been several documentaries paranormal investigators still go there to investigate or stay down which is the 1960s yeah 1960s 1996 dude I can't even speak I'm 1996 skinwalker ranch 01:01:19.060 --> 01:01:26.084 [SPEAKER_01]: Which I think people, if you like, hey, if you're seeing it like that, that skinwalker ranch, you know, documentary people, a lot of people have seen it. 01:01:26.384 --> 01:01:27.825 [SPEAKER_01]: They are at least they know about it. 01:01:28.565 --> 01:01:38.290 [SPEAKER_01]: But Terry and Gwen Sherman purchased a 512 anchor ranch in north, north eastern Utah. 01:01:38.390 --> 01:01:43.613 [SPEAKER_01]: In 1995, and it sold 18 months later due to a series of bizarre and terrifying events. 01:01:44.623 --> 01:02:01.409 [SPEAKER_01]: So the family reported seeing giant bullet resistant wolf-like creatures with glowing red eyes identified flying objects disembodied voices speaking in unknown language and severe life stock mutations. 01:02:01.629 --> 01:02:07.291 [SPEAKER_01]: And the land just became a focal point, like I said, for modern paranormal investigation. 01:02:10.644 --> 01:02:20.529 [SPEAKER_01]: They tie it directly to these Navajo folklore and historical regional curses that are all in this like skinwalker territory. 01:02:21.630 --> 01:02:21.990 [SPEAKER_02]: Hold on. 01:02:22.330 --> 01:02:30.915 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know that, I don't know if you know this, but they, of course, they have the skinwalker ranch, the secret of the skinwalker ranch. 01:02:31.055 --> 01:02:33.316 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's still a series, it's a series right now. 01:02:33.476 --> 01:02:34.977 [SPEAKER_02]: It started in 2020, right? 01:02:35.497 --> 01:02:36.718 [SPEAKER_02]: They're on their seventh season. 01:02:38.086 --> 01:02:39.947 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're just about to establish this. 01:02:40.487 --> 01:02:42.427 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's actually, it's still happening right now. 01:02:43.128 --> 01:02:45.028 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're, let's see, where are we at here? 01:02:46.269 --> 01:02:51.551 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so the last episode they had was a season 7 episode 14, just dropped in August. 01:02:52.271 --> 01:02:54.872 [SPEAKER_02]: So you could literally watch this entire thing. 01:02:56.092 --> 01:02:58.513 [SPEAKER_02]: And figure this whole thing, I don't know, I don't know. 01:02:59.525 --> 01:02:59.665 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:02:59.765 --> 01:03:02.487 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this literally, this last episode, the, the, here's the description. 01:03:02.507 --> 01:03:03.288 [SPEAKER_02]: This is top secret. 01:03:03.328 --> 01:03:12.535 [SPEAKER_02]: It says as the team examines their most compelling findings with experts and a U.S. congressman, they make their boldest plans yet to uncover the truth about the skinwalker ranch. 01:03:14.016 --> 01:03:16.277 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, are we still talking about this? 01:03:16.358 --> 01:03:16.538 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:03:16.758 --> 01:03:19.060 [SPEAKER_02]: We're talking, this is seven seasons of their shit. 01:03:19.260 --> 01:03:22.682 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's key scientific investigations in phenomena. 01:03:22.702 --> 01:03:23.923 [SPEAKER_01]: So there, there's a bubble 01:03:28.508 --> 01:03:30.915 [SPEAKER_01]: And this stuff is really like insane. 01:03:31.617 --> 01:03:35.489 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you really have to be kind of crazy to believe it, 01:03:36.372 --> 01:03:57.256 [SPEAKER_01]: If they describe an invisible dome-shaped energy anomaly, roughly a 2,000-foot radius centered near an area called the triangle, and the properties, the properties mean like messa, which is like the, okay, it's where it's located, where it's located, which is a new term, by the way. 01:03:57.476 --> 01:04:02.437 [SPEAKER_01]: The zone has allegedly disrupted drones, rockets, and communication signals. 01:04:03.487 --> 01:04:04.589 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, think about it like this. 01:04:04.629 --> 01:04:06.791 [SPEAKER_02]: I know we talked about military presence and things like that. 01:04:06.831 --> 01:04:14.141 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't think that there's top secret US bases somewhere that are in the middle of fucking nowhere, including like let's say Utah and these other like places. 01:04:14.802 --> 01:04:15.403 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying. 01:04:17.223 --> 01:04:40.182 [SPEAKER_02]: This is where we're saying like whether this is myth or fact, and this is, I mean, there's, there's something going on out there and you wanting to explore this right and you wanted to continuously do this I just, I thought they're setting yourself up here they've used ground penetrating radar drilling projects the team led by astrophysicists and the owner, um, 01:04:41.043 --> 01:04:47.825 [SPEAKER_01]: they've investigated potential underground cavities, tunnels, and structural anomalies beneath the messa and homestead too. 01:04:49.146 --> 01:04:54.607 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's been some health and safety concerns as well, which is, this is the craziest to me. 01:04:55.608 --> 01:04:57.008 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'd explain skinwalkers. 01:04:58.713 --> 01:05:00.614 [SPEAKER_01]: But I could explain why people are weird. 01:05:01.715 --> 01:05:11.683 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, probably because people, I guess there are investigators like Thomas Winterton and Travis Taylor, which is the he's the astrophysicist. 01:05:12.383 --> 01:05:17.447 [SPEAKER_01]: They have experienced unexplained physical and radiation-related injuries while probing the site. 01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:21.241 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe stop fucking probing everything. 01:05:21.501 --> 01:05:27.025 [SPEAKER_02]: I've got to stop going into the goddamn area that we already know shouldn't be touched, but you keep doing it. 01:05:27.566 --> 01:05:33.891 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a bit prompted involvement of a medical consultants like radiation oncologists and stuff. 01:05:34.692 --> 01:05:35.032 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 01:05:35.052 --> 01:05:36.693 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is getting too weird for me. 01:05:37.414 --> 01:05:44.640 [SPEAKER_01]: And in my opinion, I mean, it's just, I don't know if there is a real thing as a skinwalker to be honest. 01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:46.842 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we talk about, you know, 01:05:49.118 --> 01:05:50.259 [SPEAKER_02]: There are weird phenomenons. 01:05:50.299 --> 01:05:51.360 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying that there's not. 01:05:52.160 --> 01:05:55.883 [SPEAKER_02]: But when you're getting into the realm of like, okay, let's go explore this range. 01:05:55.963 --> 01:06:11.055 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go dig into fucking, like literally go digging under the ground, see if there's some sort of cavities where, you know, these skinwalkers are somehow living in, or these weird phenomenons that are happening where, you know, drones can't fly around there. 01:06:11.155 --> 01:06:14.817 [SPEAKER_02]: There's rockets, you know, being flown and it just gets shut down and, 01:06:15.884 --> 01:06:24.127 [SPEAKER_02]: I, you know, again, there's some things that, you know, like we talked about and literally that episode, leave it a fuck alone. 01:06:25.488 --> 01:06:26.188 [SPEAKER_02]: Leave it alone. 01:06:26.208 --> 01:06:27.048 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't lie alone. 01:06:27.068 --> 01:06:27.249 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:06:27.729 --> 01:06:28.989 [SPEAKER_02]: But why keep doing it now? 01:06:29.009 --> 01:06:29.670 [SPEAKER_01]: We got to know, man. 01:06:29.810 --> 01:06:30.590 [SPEAKER_01]: We got to know if it's true. 01:06:31.838 --> 01:06:56.135 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so yeah, there's, I mean, just one other case before you, we get into our last one here was the, it's the wounded shape shift or case, which is a common historical narrative involves a hunter or traveler shooting at an unnaturally fast coyote or wolf, the creature would escape at the next day, the local member of the nearby clan would turn up with a bullet wound or injury in the same exact spot where the animal was shot. 01:07:01.927 --> 01:07:03.247 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't have words. 01:07:03.327 --> 01:07:04.888 [SPEAKER_01]: I see your face is like, I can't. 01:07:04.908 --> 01:07:06.148 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I've watched for this. 01:07:06.248 --> 01:07:16.111 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, could it have just been a hunter who maybe had something to drink and you hear a Snap in the woods and you just fire a shot. 01:07:16.331 --> 01:07:23.073 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a fucking skinwalker, but it's your friend Greg Greg sucks. 01:07:23.153 --> 01:07:29.895 [SPEAKER_01]: Greg is an asshole who decided to walk, you know, wander in the woods as well and But no, you won't you don't want to get in trouble. 01:07:29.915 --> 01:07:30.135 [SPEAKER_01]: So go 01:07:31.377 --> 01:07:35.081 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw a fucking skinwalker out there and I shot it and look at Greg today. 01:07:35.121 --> 01:07:38.204 [SPEAKER_01]: He has a fucking hole right where I shot the fucking skinwalker. 01:07:38.304 --> 01:07:39.585 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, fucking idiot. 01:07:39.605 --> 01:07:40.426 [SPEAKER_01]: Fucking Greg. 01:07:40.606 --> 01:07:41.427 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, motherfucker. 01:07:41.487 --> 01:07:42.688 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, one fucking job, Greg. 01:07:43.108 --> 01:07:45.310 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, get the fuck out of there. 01:07:45.370 --> 01:07:47.813 [SPEAKER_02]: But anyways, yes, our last case file. 01:07:48.313 --> 01:08:16.775 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, now this one, you know, the the term of this, but this one, I don't know, I was, I even looked up a photo of this and I don't exactly know either, but because again, so far we've already established a lot of these are like more psychosis cultural phenomena and things, whatever, so this one is called the, the Kelly Hopkinsville goblins, okay, it's a very long name for this, but of course goblins, we all know about goblins, okay, so. 01:08:17.743 --> 01:08:19.204 [SPEAKER_02]: This is what apparently happened. 01:08:19.384 --> 01:08:26.886 [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, not in the 1960s, but around the time, of course, with like, you know, Area 51 and you know, finding out UFOs and step. 01:08:27.707 --> 01:08:31.588 [SPEAKER_02]: So on the night of August 21st, 1955. 01:08:32.529 --> 01:08:32.949 [SPEAKER_02]: 1955. 01:08:33.049 --> 01:08:36.470 [SPEAKER_01]: If you, if you Google these things, like, it's weird. 01:08:36.590 --> 01:08:37.210 [SPEAKER_01]: They're fucking weird. 01:08:37.230 --> 01:08:37.430 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 01:08:37.450 --> 01:08:41.052 [SPEAKER_01]: I sure they have some that look like, or like, do you see that blue one? 01:08:41.172 --> 01:08:42.032 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you see that first one? 01:08:42.052 --> 01:08:44.333 [SPEAKER_02]: Or it's like on Reddit, and it's like an illustration one? 01:08:44.820 --> 01:08:49.702 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they kind of look like if stitch wasn't alien without fur exactly. 01:08:49.762 --> 01:08:54.003 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a it's a weird looking one and it's really weird to look at these ones. 01:08:54.483 --> 01:09:06.447 [SPEAKER_02]: And so so again, the members of the the Sutton Linkford household near Kelly Kentucky flood to the Hopkinsville police station reporting that small humanoid beings had been surrounding their farmhouse. 01:09:06.747 --> 01:09:07.388 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's start with that. 01:09:07.448 --> 01:09:07.708 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 01:09:08.248 --> 01:09:11.869 [SPEAKER_02]: So then contemporary and later investigations agree on the core facts. 01:09:12.529 --> 01:09:13.189 [SPEAKER_02]: A large group 01:09:14.770 --> 01:09:16.391 [SPEAKER_02]: firearms were discharged repeatedly. 01:09:16.571 --> 01:09:23.556 [SPEAKER_02]: The family sought police help while visibly frightened and police in state officers and other personnel went to the property. 01:09:24.157 --> 01:09:33.924 [SPEAKER_02]: Now authorities did not recover a creature body spacecraft or other conclusive anomalous physical evidence, but damage around the house was consistent with the household's own gunfire. 01:09:33.944 --> 01:09:37.887 [SPEAKER_02]: So, okay, so again, now I'm just going to throw this out there. 01:09:37.927 --> 01:09:42.070 [SPEAKER_02]: I know we talked about in last week, you know, we're talking about like the mental health side of things. 01:09:43.525 --> 01:09:47.607 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying that you couldn't think of like, let's get to Frania for a second. 01:09:48.710 --> 01:09:51.772 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and I don't know why, but that kind of came into my head first. 01:09:51.812 --> 01:09:57.757 [SPEAKER_02]: I could like, I feel like if you're talking about voices and, you know, seeing weird things and doing all that, maybe that came into effect. 01:09:57.917 --> 01:09:58.237 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 01:09:58.938 --> 01:10:00.899 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm also going to say this, we're also talking about it. 01:10:01.159 --> 01:10:13.488 [SPEAKER_02]: And I know what's, it's always a long running joke about, you know, people living in like Kentucky and, you know, some of the, like, Tennessee and all these weird, like places, like, we're talking about incest and we're talking about like weird shit like that. 01:10:13.549 --> 01:10:16.050 [SPEAKER_02]: The, the, the two names of these individuals. 01:10:17.031 --> 01:10:17.691 [SPEAKER_02]: Billy Ray. 01:10:17.971 --> 01:10:19.172 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, Billy Ray is Elmer. 01:10:19.452 --> 01:10:20.473 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know, but I'm a foot. 01:10:20.513 --> 01:10:21.313 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm just kidding. 01:10:21.333 --> 01:10:22.293 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, no, hold on. 01:10:22.433 --> 01:10:24.054 [SPEAKER_02]: So I was going to get to that in the second. 01:10:24.074 --> 01:10:26.075 [SPEAKER_02]: But so basically who was there, right? 01:10:26.095 --> 01:10:28.836 [SPEAKER_02]: So the accounts generally identify 11 people in the farmhouse. 01:10:29.056 --> 01:10:37.840 [SPEAKER_02]: Family, MHR, Lenny, Linkford, several of our children and adult relatives name Elmer, Lucky, Sutton, and visitors, Billy Ray, and June Taylor among them. 01:10:38.120 --> 01:10:40.301 [SPEAKER_01]: Not every person or all red nicknames, by the way. 01:10:40.421 --> 01:10:41.582 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, Lucky, come on. 01:10:41.842 --> 01:10:42.483 [SPEAKER_01]: Now we're lucky. 01:10:42.563 --> 01:10:45.565 [SPEAKER_01]: Lenny, Billy Ray, Elmer, you know, Glenny, you know. 01:10:45.765 --> 01:10:48.728 [SPEAKER_02]: So, not every person, of course, was witness to this event. 01:10:48.868 --> 01:10:51.991 [SPEAKER_02]: Later, we're telling sometimes, change the number of witnesses or creatures. 01:10:52.311 --> 01:11:03.101 [SPEAKER_02]: So, the safest reconstruction to seek, which is the people known to be, or known, or side, known to have been present for those who personally described particular signings. 01:11:03.121 --> 01:11:05.823 [SPEAKER_02]: So, originally, this is how it started, okay? 01:11:07.143 --> 01:11:20.592 [SPEAKER_02]: So around 7 p.m. Billy Ray Taylor went outside for water and reported seeing a bright civilry silvery, you know, object across the sky and just descend or disappear in the direction of a nearby gully. 01:11:21.912 --> 01:11:23.133 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know what the fuck a gully is. 01:11:23.173 --> 01:11:26.055 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking like maybe a gully of water maybe? 01:11:26.135 --> 01:11:26.435 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 01:11:27.136 --> 01:11:30.118 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe a pond is maybe what I was thinking, but I don't know. 01:11:30.378 --> 01:11:32.299 [SPEAKER_02]: Other people initially dismissed his story. 01:11:32.739 --> 01:11:33.360 [SPEAKER_02]: But later, 01:11:34.823 --> 01:11:37.805 [SPEAKER_02]: God forbid their family dog, you know, began barking. 01:11:38.446 --> 01:11:43.770 [SPEAKER_02]: So Taylor and Lucky sat and went to investigate and claimed to see a small humanoid approaching the farmhouse. 01:11:45.351 --> 01:11:46.632 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, right? 01:11:46.652 --> 01:11:49.214 [SPEAKER_02]: So this is what they say the creatures looked like. 01:11:49.654 --> 01:11:55.279 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so the witness described them as emphasized small stature, roughly three to four feet. 01:11:56.328 --> 01:12:04.974 [SPEAKER_02]: An oversized round or bulbous head, very large luminous or reflective eyes, long thin arms extending nearly to the ground and claw-like hands. 01:12:05.814 --> 01:12:13.119 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, these figures were described as silvery, silvery, I love how they say silvery, or metallic looking under the available light. 01:12:13.420 --> 01:12:15.501 [SPEAKER_02]: Some accounts describe large pointed ears. 01:12:16.281 --> 01:12:24.267 [SPEAKER_02]: Witnesses claim that the creatures move strangely, sometimes seeming to float, glide, or make unusual leaps, rather than run normally. 01:12:26.281 --> 01:12:27.622 [SPEAKER_02]: Now the shooting. 01:12:27.702 --> 01:12:29.203 [SPEAKER_02]: This is probably going to be the fun part right here. 01:12:30.425 --> 01:12:33.487 [SPEAKER_02]: So this right here, we're talking about Taylor and Sutton here. 01:12:34.188 --> 01:12:38.731 [SPEAKER_02]: They armed themselves with a 22 caliber rifle and a 20 gauge shotgun. 01:12:40.393 --> 01:12:41.454 [SPEAKER_02]: Now the shotgun alone. 01:12:42.675 --> 01:12:43.636 [SPEAKER_02]: That's going to do some damage. 01:12:43.936 --> 01:12:44.196 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 01:12:44.736 --> 01:12:46.698 [SPEAKER_02]: So when a figure approached, they fired. 01:12:47.439 --> 01:12:50.061 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Craig, I'm sorry to say this, but you did. 01:12:51.102 --> 01:12:52.283 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:12:52.423 --> 01:12:52.643 [SPEAKER_02]: So they 01:12:54.158 --> 01:12:58.181 [SPEAKER_02]: Our site, they claimed to hit not to the figure backward or caused it to tumble. 01:12:59.122 --> 01:13:02.204 [SPEAKER_02]: But that it recovered and escaped rather than remaining injured. 01:13:02.764 --> 01:13:06.887 [SPEAKER_02]: Additional additional figures were reported at windows around the yard near the roof. 01:13:07.608 --> 01:13:18.615 [SPEAKER_02]: The household fired repeatedly during their episode, one famous part of the story describes a creature reaching down from above and touching her grabbing at Taylor's hair as he stepped outside. 01:13:19.736 --> 01:13:22.098 [SPEAKER_02]: And the alleged siege continued for hours. 01:13:23.636 --> 01:13:25.298 [SPEAKER_02]: I find that interesting hours. 01:13:26.118 --> 01:13:30.663 [SPEAKER_02]: How much fucking ammo do you have that you're continuously doing this for hours? 01:13:30.703 --> 01:13:36.688 [SPEAKER_02]: But eventually they frightened, or the frightened household loaded it into vehicles and drove to Hopkinsville for help. 01:13:37.269 --> 01:13:40.632 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I feel like this is gonna get the interesting part. 01:13:41.718 --> 01:13:56.605 [SPEAKER_02]: So the police response, you know, so we're talking roughly 11 p.m. the group arrived at the police station police chief Russell Greenwell later described them as generally frightened one man was reported to have a pulse around 140 minutes per minute beats per minute. 01:13:58.092 --> 01:14:17.217 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, if you're, let's say, running for your fucking life, yeah, I would think you'd have a pretty said that they were, I mean, I'm reading this thing and says that they, the police had determined that they were sober, so all the members that were there, everybody who was there were, apparently, all right, sober, so a sizable law enforcement response was followed, including the. 01:14:18.088 --> 01:14:25.338 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, Hawkinsville police county state officers all accounts also referenced personnel connected with nearby Fort Campbell. 01:14:25.358 --> 01:14:27.581 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're talking about an army base. 01:14:28.121 --> 01:14:31.506 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're also talking about an active duty army base is also involved in this too. 01:14:32.167 --> 01:14:32.747 [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting enough. 01:14:33.328 --> 01:14:35.309 [SPEAKER_02]: Officers searched the farmhouse and surrounding property. 01:14:35.429 --> 01:14:41.453 [SPEAKER_02]: They found evidence that guns had been fired in damage to the house, but no small humanoid's bodies are spacecraft. 01:14:41.993 --> 01:14:42.173 [SPEAKER_02]: Right? 01:14:42.213 --> 01:14:49.277 [SPEAKER_02]: After authorities left members of the household claim that the figures returned, the final reported appearances continued into the early mornings. 01:14:51.178 --> 01:14:57.562 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, again, this is where I'm like, I mean, that's just one story. 01:14:58.522 --> 01:15:01.264 [SPEAKER_02]: And it hasn't happened since from what I'm gathered right now. 01:15:01.865 --> 01:15:10.888 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they have this theory, because I'm not even going to read this next part here, but because they were labeled as little green men, this is what they were talking about. 01:15:10.908 --> 01:15:15.090 [SPEAKER_02]: But there's a theory on the great horned owl theory. 01:15:15.510 --> 01:15:20.591 [SPEAKER_02]: So a major skeptical explanation argues that the witnesses encountered great horned owls. 01:15:21.392 --> 01:15:25.473 [SPEAKER_02]: These birds have large reflective eyes prominent eartuffs that can resemble pointed ears. 01:15:31.970 --> 01:15:49.234 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, right, so these owls can defend necessarily, you know, aggressively return after being frightened away and glide silently in darkness with witnesses already primed by Taylor's report of a strange light, you know, an hour repeatedly appearing near the house could potentially produce some of the, you know, describe features. 01:15:49.334 --> 01:15:58.436 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, critics of the owl explanation argue that the witnesses observed the figures multiple times and at close range and remained adamant that they were not ordinary animals. 01:15:59.196 --> 01:16:06.699 [SPEAKER_02]: So the explanation also requires perception, fear, and repeated misinterpretation to account for the more humanoid detail. 01:16:06.719 --> 01:16:11.761 [SPEAKER_02]: So again, Matt, I just, it's only one story. 01:16:12.321 --> 01:16:12.541 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:16:13.362 --> 01:16:15.322 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like there's been multiple telling of this. 01:16:16.003 --> 01:16:24.686 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and the thing is, you have to realize the police interviewed them all together, and they interviewed them all separately. 01:16:28.367 --> 01:16:30.708 [SPEAKER_01]: They gave the same account when questioned. 01:16:31.928 --> 01:16:40.091 [SPEAKER_01]: And they really didn't have anything to gain if this was a hoax. 01:16:40.991 --> 01:16:45.052 [SPEAKER_01]: But can you even say, is it believable? 01:16:45.092 --> 01:16:46.413 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess you have to kind of like, 01:16:47.362 --> 01:17:14.421 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe, you know, who knows, but there was a report of a highway trooper citing some meteor-like object flying overhead around 11pm that same night, and additionally, there is a mention of odd and odd luminous patch along the fence where one of the beings had been shot, and in the woods beyond a green light whose source could not be determined. 01:17:15.779 --> 01:17:19.163 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, again, we're talking about around the time of UFOs and things like that. 01:17:19.183 --> 01:17:21.806 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, but we're talking about a place in Kentucky. 01:17:22.907 --> 01:17:28.013 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, Nevada to Kentucky, I mean, this is why I'm saying about even like West Virginia. 01:17:28.573 --> 01:17:29.995 [SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about across the country. 01:17:30.950 --> 01:17:58.818 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, because, again, when you think of like Area 51, of course, like all that, I'm not saying that they couldn't have traveled if, again, if there was such beings of this, I could have traveled to different areas of different places, I mean, sure Kentucky's probably not saying in the middle of nowhere, but it, you know, there's different areas that sure there might be more wilderness, there might be more things that you could, you know, do around, but, you know, you go to like some of these bigger cities, you're not going to like, hey, it's the, I'm going to make up a name here, but like, 01:18:00.004 --> 01:18:05.368 [SPEAKER_02]: It's Jack Wilde, the crazy creature, or I don't know, something like flowing around New York City. 01:18:05.668 --> 01:18:14.734 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I know I just made up of a random fucking name, but I was like, you know, you would have to explain that, and like you have to really like, you know, seal this. 01:18:14.774 --> 01:18:28.664 [SPEAKER_02]: But the fact that, sure, the one night, the one night in 1955, you know, it's sure there might have been, of course, this alleged story, and like you said, that highway patrol guy, seeing the same exact thing. 01:18:29.526 --> 01:18:29.706 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:18:29.866 --> 01:18:33.289 [SPEAKER_02]: But where the fuck has he been for the last 60 plus years? 01:18:34.691 --> 01:18:35.211 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 01:18:35.231 --> 01:18:40.155 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, you also said that there were what, 11 people that were there. 01:18:41.076 --> 01:18:48.703 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so, you know, if you have this kind of group panic, again, community psychosis, right? 01:18:48.743 --> 01:18:51.465 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you have this psychosis and great. 01:18:51.485 --> 01:18:56.890 [SPEAKER_01]: And like, yes, the the hoax idea has been alleged for a long time with this. 01:18:58.298 --> 01:19:09.122 [SPEAKER_01]: The household though, when you look at the people who are there, their behavior in this whole thing does not explain it being a hoax. 01:19:09.142 --> 01:19:10.202 [SPEAKER_01]: They weren't seeking money. 01:19:10.242 --> 01:19:22.427 [SPEAKER_01]: They weren't going on, you know, you didn't see them on the news and going on interviews and all of a sudden, they're like, you know, magazine and they're like selling themselves for like Oprah and interviews, you know what I mean? 01:19:22.447 --> 01:19:25.088 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, you're not, they weren't doing that. 01:19:26.348 --> 01:19:36.497 [SPEAKER_01]: And yes, you could explain the they're could have actually been a media or some astronomical phenomenon that was happening that night doesn't explain everything. 01:19:37.258 --> 01:19:41.641 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm I'm I'm I'm saying you can't dismiss the whole, you know, fear factor. 01:19:42.342 --> 01:19:44.224 [SPEAKER_02]: When I'm saying is it's trying to figure out 01:19:45.345 --> 01:19:47.927 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is, you know what, it's screw the skinwalker. 01:19:47.967 --> 01:19:52.751 [SPEAKER_02]: Ranch go, go to this place and get tucking and see if there's actual sightings of the, like, there you go. 01:19:52.791 --> 01:20:01.739 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good one to go search for because this one, I mean, at least, you know, you could try to see if there's any phenomenon and things like that, but I don't know. 01:20:01.779 --> 01:20:04.842 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the town knows, maybe the town was a part of it. 01:20:04.862 --> 01:20:06.283 [SPEAKER_02]: And they just didn't want to say a name thing. 01:20:06.403 --> 01:20:06.783 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 01:20:07.724 --> 01:20:09.706 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there'd be a whole different slew things. 01:20:11.577 --> 01:20:14.038 [SPEAKER_01]: The sheriff had contacted the Air Force. 01:20:14.058 --> 01:20:20.700 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there was, I didn't see anything that they actually did anything, but they've completely denied involvement in doing anything. 01:20:21.580 --> 01:20:21.940 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course. 01:20:22.200 --> 01:20:23.160 [SPEAKER_02]: So, well, it's what I'm saying. 01:20:23.180 --> 01:20:28.882 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like four camels in Army Base, but even then, could they have been doing something out there? 01:20:29.642 --> 01:20:32.282 [SPEAKER_02]: And could they have done certain things around that timeframe, too? 01:20:32.383 --> 01:20:32.983 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, they could have. 01:20:33.043 --> 01:20:34.003 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the, 01:20:35.447 --> 01:20:59.870 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a, you take all four of these things and you know, you can kind of like there's a evidence spectrum right like, do you just take the eyewitness testimony that, you know, maybe this person had this experience or the, you know, a certain community of people were, you know, were when to go or whatever else, but it doesn't automatically like, 01:21:01.498 --> 01:21:03.400 [SPEAKER_01]: mean that the explanations correct, right? 01:21:03.420 --> 01:21:05.822 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you can have multiple witnesses. 01:21:06.883 --> 01:21:13.208 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, it strengthens the case, but it still doesn't prove that these things are real or that they influence one another. 01:21:15.410 --> 01:21:26.259 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even the police reports can say like, all these claims were made, but again, they're still like no physical evidence of any of these creatures or things 01:21:28.013 --> 01:21:39.015 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, and that's, that's what we're saying is like, you know, whether or not it could have been an owl, or whether or not it could have been a really random phenomenon that one specific night. 01:21:39.355 --> 01:21:45.917 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, and it's so happened that a highway patrolman also saw some similar things that happened around that same time. 01:21:46.717 --> 01:21:55.599 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I'm not saying I can't be true, but again, we're talking, physical evidence is, is lighting would dramatically change any one of these cases. 01:21:58.259 --> 01:22:12.024 [SPEAKER_01]: a body or a tissue sample or some biological like specimen that you're like, oh, yeah, we found this fucking giant seven seven foot or like I guess it would be kind of four foot like mothwing. 01:22:13.224 --> 01:22:21.047 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, like then you will have that doesn't belong to anything so that must be, you know, that's something that's something, but you don't have there's no physical evidence. 01:22:21.067 --> 01:22:22.748 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's you really just have to like. 01:22:24.222 --> 01:22:30.044 [SPEAKER_01]: look at each one of these and like could it be a real thing, could it be community psychosis? 01:22:30.084 --> 01:22:35.566 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know immediately, disregard UFO sightings. 01:22:35.586 --> 01:22:39.308 [SPEAKER_01]: I think potentially that could be a real thing. 01:22:39.948 --> 01:22:44.430 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm skeptical, but I could see like, okay, well, maybe, maybe. 01:22:44.670 --> 01:22:47.271 [SPEAKER_02]: So I will say this, and let's just my experiences that 01:22:49.700 --> 01:22:59.114 [SPEAKER_02]: Nowadays, especially because like when I think of movies like Independence Day and I think of like some of the other movies that you know, you see about like the UFOs and stuff. 01:23:00.256 --> 01:23:04.061 [SPEAKER_02]: I, and it's just me like I believe that there's. 01:23:05.165 --> 01:23:18.614 [SPEAKER_02]: There are beings out there that we cannot explain, and that we cannot understand because we don't understand the science or maybe the reasoning behind of whatever it may be. 01:23:18.955 --> 01:23:28.041 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I believe that there is something out there that like I said, I'm not saying that back in the day of the 1870s or the 1950s or the 1960s, 01:23:31.672 --> 01:23:39.247 [SPEAKER_02]: people in that time frames, and especially at 18, like 1800s, like they weren't going to know shit, well, they were going to believe that it was witchcraft. 01:23:39.267 --> 01:23:41.271 [SPEAKER_02]: So they were going to believe it was some of your phenomenon. 01:23:41.812 --> 01:23:43.475 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, when you're looking at the 50s and the 60s, 01:23:44.883 --> 01:24:03.059 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, when you think of like a lot of the television, well, I was going to say more like the radio programs they made it believe, like you know, a lot of like the aliens are invading and like people really believe that there were actual aliens invading, you know, the earth and this, but even though it was a radio program so. 01:24:04.137 --> 01:24:13.899 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I look at it now and I'm like, you know, we were kind of naive back then, but now, because we have the technology, because we have the advancements, right? 01:24:14.179 --> 01:24:18.680 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying that there isn't some sort of being out there that I'll say it. 01:24:18.720 --> 01:24:30.143 [SPEAKER_02]: Like maybe like as, and this is the weird part, man, is like, I don't know if you ever knew about this, but even legit, I'm talking legit people from like the top of like, 01:24:31.377 --> 01:24:45.189 [SPEAKER_02]: the Pentagon or, you know, FBI or some of these higher agency levels, you know, some people that were retiring from these these agencies have stated in, like, Congress meetings, like Ed D.C. and stuff. 01:24:45.209 --> 01:24:46.530 [SPEAKER_02]: They, they've reported. 01:24:47.627 --> 01:25:08.500 [SPEAKER_02]: That UFOs and some of these like alien like creatures and stuff like that, they have stated that aliens are real and they've stated that, you know, there are things that, you know, we, we have covered up because they know that the majority of people would not understand or how to take it because they would be mass hysteria. 01:25:17.057 --> 01:25:18.819 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is why I joked with you, right? 01:25:19.440 --> 01:25:27.711 [SPEAKER_02]: When you think of world peace, there's two options of world peace, a zombie apocalypse or an alien invasion. 01:25:28.452 --> 01:25:30.835 [SPEAKER_02]: Because guess what, we don't give a fuck at that point. 01:25:30.895 --> 01:25:34.060 [SPEAKER_02]: We need all you night and say, fuck our differences and we need to survive. 01:25:35.137 --> 01:25:38.218 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the reality, and I know, like I said, I have a little far stretch. 01:25:38.238 --> 01:25:40.139 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, well, don't be going conspiracy mode. 01:25:40.159 --> 01:25:41.380 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I'm not doing that. 01:25:41.620 --> 01:25:46.542 [SPEAKER_02]: What I am saying is, I believe that there are some things that we do not understand. 01:25:47.242 --> 01:25:51.444 [SPEAKER_02]: And that, yes, if we said, hey, by the way, here's an alien life form. 01:25:51.985 --> 01:25:53.625 [SPEAKER_02]: And they've been here for so many years. 01:25:54.846 --> 01:25:57.367 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, granted, I'm not saying that you as governments right in doing that. 01:25:58.147 --> 01:26:01.849 [SPEAKER_02]: But because of the movies that we watch, like from the 90s and on, 01:26:03.014 --> 01:26:09.720 [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like they were preparing us for at some point to say, hey, by the way, it's real. 01:26:10.581 --> 01:26:20.429 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, well, I mean, based on these goblins, they weren't really goblins, I guess, and they claim they're really aliens, but could have been midgets. 01:26:20.530 --> 01:26:23.612 [SPEAKER_01]: You look at this story, and then you look at the movie, ET. 01:26:24.013 --> 01:26:24.253 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah? 01:26:25.174 --> 01:26:27.476 [SPEAKER_01]: It's almost the same fucking story, right? 01:26:27.556 --> 01:26:29.057 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, pretty close. 01:26:29.217 --> 01:26:31.199 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, granted, E.T. 01:26:31.259 --> 01:26:34.081 [SPEAKER_01]: is not silver and no. 01:26:34.341 --> 01:26:35.162 [SPEAKER_01]: We are looking like that. 01:26:35.262 --> 01:26:37.583 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we are looking, but like a wrinkly piece of shit. 01:26:37.603 --> 01:26:39.385 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's a IVO. 01:26:39.425 --> 01:26:45.689 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, no, I'm all I'm saying is, is that, you know, there are phenomena, there are things that we cannot explain. 01:26:46.170 --> 01:26:48.011 [SPEAKER_02]: I know some people are skeptical about it. 01:26:48.031 --> 01:26:48.572 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're 01:26:49.555 --> 01:26:53.096 [SPEAKER_02]: I, in this just me, I just think that there are people that don't want to believe it. 01:26:53.336 --> 01:27:00.977 [SPEAKER_02]: I think, you know, I'm not saying that these guys didn't have a legit fear during that whole Kelly Hopkinsville, you know, goblin thing. 01:27:02.077 --> 01:27:13.179 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that there was just some things that maybe at the time they really couldn't explain and that's the thing is like nowadays, I'm not saying we couldn't explain it, but I do 01:27:20.366 --> 01:27:25.108 [SPEAKER_02]: They're just waiting for the right moment and that's going to be the scariest day by friend. 01:27:25.528 --> 01:27:32.170 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm telling you because that's going to be the day that everyone's going to go like, well, fuck the podcast. 01:27:32.210 --> 01:27:35.071 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to go underneath the ground and I want to go live like a skinwalker now. 01:27:35.131 --> 01:27:39.052 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I'm just fucking doing you or skinwalker. 01:27:39.172 --> 01:27:41.133 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, but you fucking win to go like 01:27:42.347 --> 01:27:53.452 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but we got a wrap just to you know we got to wrap it up, but anyways, no, I mean, we've talked a lot about some some weird phenomenon some some cryptic counters believe it or not, you know, Ripley's believe it or not. 01:27:53.532 --> 01:28:03.256 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, I would say that a lot of this, you know, yes, I would say is community like psychosis and hysteria hysteria culture of phenomenons, whatever you want to call it like 01:28:04.567 --> 01:28:29.489 [SPEAKER_02]: There's things that you can't explain, but yes, like I said before, is there some sort of beings out there that maybe one day they'll show up and say, hey, my name's Bob, I want to talk to you for guys for a second, you're like excuse me, why is your name Bob, why isn't your name, I think a little like some weird click at a clock, you know, and now I just think that it'll be interesting the day we find out about things we cannot explain and then I'll go Matt. 01:28:30.529 --> 01:28:34.371 [SPEAKER_02]: Didn't we just do an episode on something like this? 01:28:34.651 --> 01:28:52.098 [SPEAKER_02]: But yes, no, but, you know, of course with the month of October, you know, we're going to have some more creepy, you know, individual episodes, I think, well, I can't really I guess I can't really tell you the next episode yet, but I guess you'll find out next time when we, you know, we record next, but anyways, until next time boys and girls.