WEBVTT 00:04.002 --> 00:06.103 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a gay up name for a gay up podcast. 00:07.023 --> 00:12.306 [SPEAKER_00]: Zach Zucker, the bisexual clown king, is on that's a gay ass podcast. 00:12.386 --> 00:13.446 [SPEAKER_00]: Zach, are you angry? 00:13.486 --> 00:15.667 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not called a buy ass podcast. 00:15.887 --> 00:16.167 [SPEAKER_01]: I am. 00:16.227 --> 00:20.709 [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually crazy to see this by a raise your extent to my fellow allies in the community. 00:20.729 --> 00:31.274 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm here to change the record and the beautiful thing is that now that if this was a buy ass podcast, you would know that the buy would be eating the ass of the podcast 00:33.835 --> 00:35.737 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, bisexuals love to EAS. 00:35.757 --> 00:37.940 [SPEAKER_00]: He heard it here first ladies and jerks. 00:38.360 --> 00:52.956 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know what bisexuals also love to do is be clowns across the conch across the globe and come out with a Netflix Special called stamp town, which yes, we're gonna get into but before we do that Zach Zucker, you're a bisexual Jew. 00:53.136 --> 00:54.438 [SPEAKER_00]: We've got a lot to get into 00:55.520 --> 01:00.350 [SPEAKER_01]: That is how I identify and also my friend Courtney, who's in the special Vanessa 5,000, the sex robot. 01:00.711 --> 01:00.951 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 01:00.971 --> 01:02.014 [SPEAKER_01]: Salt me like years ago. 01:02.054 --> 01:05.240 [SPEAKER_01]: She identified me as gay for pussy, which I think is the funniest. 01:06.518 --> 01:10.142 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the funny thing anyone's ever said about me and I'm like, yeah, that makes, that makes sense. 01:10.222 --> 01:19.671 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gay for pussy and gay for pussy, it might have to be the episode title, but I have a feeling we're going to get a lot of beautiful, uh, isons out of you. 01:19.771 --> 01:25.257 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's, and if one is him, I'm hoping to get it's an orgasm that would be my dream. 01:25.847 --> 01:29.789 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, she's a science nerd and a sex perv. 01:30.369 --> 01:33.531 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I am a gay as journalist, self-described. 01:33.551 --> 01:38.174 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why the first heart-hitting question for Zack Zucker is on sloppy seconds. 01:38.254 --> 01:41.235 [SPEAKER_00]: The podcast we love and our dear friends with different people. 01:41.876 --> 01:45.978 [SPEAKER_00]: You said that being bisexual is a bird in Zack Zucker. 01:46.178 --> 01:49.660 [SPEAKER_00]: What was the gender of the last person you I fucked on the street? 01:53.330 --> 02:16.402 [SPEAKER_01]: This is such like you're incredible because it's like such a good maze and I listen to a few of these before it to kind of know Okay, what am I getting and do and it is it's awesome because I feel like I'm being fully thrown around right now and I'm loving And I and I have no clue where I'm being touched thrown or or a pin down next so I appreciate this I feel like lay back and enjoy the touching because it's I'm about to be 10 fingers in 02:16.842 --> 02:18.083 [SPEAKER_01]: I am, it feels incredible. 02:19.383 --> 02:23.165 [SPEAKER_01]: I, oh God, that is a gas massage if I've ever had one. 02:23.946 --> 02:25.586 [SPEAKER_01]: When I have had one, allegedly. 02:25.606 --> 02:26.447 [SPEAKER_01]: Bye bye. 02:28.231 --> 02:36.513 [SPEAKER_01]: I, I think the last person I, I thought, wow, you know, I was just a New York and I'm kind of looking at everybody in New York. 02:36.573 --> 02:38.294 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, hot people in New York. 02:38.554 --> 02:39.234 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're hot. 02:39.294 --> 02:39.894 [SPEAKER_01]: They're gorgeous. 02:40.315 --> 02:41.815 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, I don't know. 02:41.915 --> 02:42.855 [SPEAKER_01]: I, I can't think of it. 02:42.895 --> 02:43.615 [SPEAKER_01]: This is boring. 02:43.695 --> 02:50.958 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't think of an individual person, but I can think of people I was flirting with and I was definitely flirting with a guy in a girl pretty heavily on my last night there. 02:51.778 --> 02:55.739 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you saying you were flirting with them in the same conversation or one after another? 02:56.329 --> 02:59.631 [SPEAKER_01]: One, I love one after another, but I'd say kind of both. 02:59.852 --> 03:01.693 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say like, that we're all friends. 03:02.133 --> 03:03.494 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think both of them know. 03:03.935 --> 03:07.317 [SPEAKER_01]: And there was kind of a little bit of like, I don't know, is anything gonna happen? 03:07.497 --> 03:08.838 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we all flirting? 03:08.918 --> 03:20.286 [SPEAKER_01]: And I always describe like, I'm on like, my, my base state is flirty, which to me is just being flirty with no intention and then there's flirting, which I think I'm doing a lot less than people think, but that is when I'm flirting with intention. 03:20.346 --> 03:21.527 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was nice to be there. 03:21.867 --> 03:25.370 [SPEAKER_01]: We were none of us were ever flirting with intention, but we were all being flirty up to the line. 03:25.932 --> 03:29.614 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what, Flirty up to the line is one of my favorite pastimes as well. 03:29.714 --> 03:36.579 [SPEAKER_00]: And I do think it sort of gets confusing because if people think you are flirting versus being flirty, it could be a little messy boots. 03:36.899 --> 03:37.379 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 03:37.439 --> 03:39.020 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not trying to be messy boots. 03:39.260 --> 03:46.265 [SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, I try, I catch myself a lot of times is the guy holding a can of gasoline and a burning house being like, who the hell did this? 03:46.865 --> 03:49.587 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, someone's got to put that fire out. 03:50.441 --> 03:54.445 [SPEAKER_00]: But it turns out you were the one who brought the giant tanks. 03:54.485 --> 03:56.827 [SPEAKER_01]: The bummer was that there was just too much come on my hand. 03:56.867 --> 03:59.809 [SPEAKER_01]: So the canister of gas was sticking to it. 04:00.030 --> 04:04.734 [SPEAKER_00]: If I had a nickel for every time come on my hands, made me have something slip out of my grip. 04:05.194 --> 04:09.598 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what I also, it's keeping the book in my hand, keeping me red right now, you know? 04:09.918 --> 04:12.601 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you fucking bitch, we get it, you're smart. 04:12.701 --> 04:13.141 [SPEAKER_00]: We get it. 04:13.161 --> 04:14.162 [SPEAKER_01]: Ask you, no, no, no, no, no, no. 04:14.222 --> 04:17.445 [SPEAKER_01]: Ask me how many months I've had this and how many pages I've read and when it took me to read it. 04:18.042 --> 04:19.082 [SPEAKER_00]: How many months have you happened? 04:19.102 --> 04:20.703 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, how many pages have you read? 04:20.963 --> 04:24.183 [SPEAKER_01]: Five, I had for five months, and I read it for the first time in the plane two days ago. 04:24.303 --> 04:25.423 [SPEAKER_01]: Six pages, and I got tired. 04:25.523 --> 04:26.204 [SPEAKER_01]: I fell asleep. 04:26.524 --> 04:31.185 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, who knew that bisexuals were so relatable, which is that they also purchased books that they what? 04:31.425 --> 04:33.525 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't read, except for a few. 04:33.765 --> 04:34.005 [SPEAKER_00]: Pay. 04:34.245 --> 04:34.725 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 04:34.745 --> 04:36.866 [SPEAKER_01]: A tiny, a tiny, a tiny. 04:37.766 --> 04:38.906 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so she's a beltress. 04:38.926 --> 04:39.646 [SPEAKER_00]: She's as well. 04:39.726 --> 04:40.486 [SPEAKER_01]: She's a vocalist. 04:40.506 --> 04:42.027 [SPEAKER_01]: She's not just a bisexual duet. 04:42.047 --> 04:44.127 [SPEAKER_01]: She's a bisexual duet singer. 04:44.803 --> 04:52.147 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, Zach Zucker, as a bisexual JUS singer, you've also spent many a time at a Jewish sleep away camp where there's famously what, singing. 04:52.447 --> 04:58.991 [SPEAKER_00]: But you know what they're also as a Jewish sleep away camp, a bisexual boys first by experiences. 04:59.271 --> 05:04.253 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, you have said that Jewish sleep would camp was sort of your on-chain to be a bisexual king. 05:04.554 --> 05:10.797 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you say more about what those first bisexual experiences were at that camp before I give you the famous podcast, Quest Gio. 05:11.317 --> 05:12.638 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh god, this is awesome. 05:12.658 --> 05:14.700 [SPEAKER_01]: You've done your research. 05:14.720 --> 05:17.202 [SPEAKER_01]: I, yeah, I mean, I loved Jewish some way camp. 05:17.242 --> 05:17.783 [SPEAKER_01]: I was Mr. 05:17.823 --> 05:18.283 [SPEAKER_01]: Camper. 05:18.723 --> 05:26.049 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, you know, I was the color war camper general and like the captain in this shit night. 05:26.069 --> 05:28.471 [SPEAKER_01]: I made friends my first year because I came in late. 05:29.372 --> 05:32.054 [SPEAKER_01]: I came in when I was maybe like a sixth or seventh creator. 05:32.555 --> 05:32.815 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. 05:33.575 --> 05:36.138 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, and I, and then. 05:37.594 --> 05:40.958 [SPEAKER_01]: What I love about this joke is I always know why it's funny and I totally know when to do it. 05:41.298 --> 05:46.404 [SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, no six and seventh graders is actually the perfect opportunity to do the six seven joke. 05:46.424 --> 05:48.206 [SPEAKER_00]: They want to put people on YouTube. 05:48.306 --> 05:55.314 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone is gooning on YouTube watching you do the six seven hands and on the podcast platforms are all tweeting their beans imagining what your hands were doing. 05:55.734 --> 05:56.775 [SPEAKER_01]: God, that's awesome. 05:57.016 --> 05:58.057 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fucking awesome. 05:59.898 --> 06:24.245 [SPEAKER_01]: I will speak in a good evening that's kind of how it started I feel like there's you don't you know the thing that like boys do when they're like in sixth grade to eighth grade and we're all getting pubes and coming for the first time and everyone's like Should we watch porn and then and then everyone's kind of watching porn and jerking off in your friends basement, but like no one's watching each other because that would be gay, but we are all masturbating in the basement together because that's great and then see 06:26.926 --> 06:42.553 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's by sexual privilege because I think my friends inherently knew that I was a man teaming with homosexuality and they didn't feel safe to whip out their goodies and show me their pubes because they want a demons would take over and try to suck off their penises. 06:42.813 --> 07:05.864 [SPEAKER_00]: think so my gay demons would have tried to suck their eighth grade pennies and I think that they didn't want that and so I never had the opportunity as a closet middle schooler to do that did we watch porn once sure but all the kept saying was oh my god I have to go pee because that's what we thought like a boner sort of meant that felt like but you actually had the experience of like you know I'm just a dude 07:06.484 --> 07:17.932 [SPEAKER_01]: We used to watch Channel 561, which was like late night soft core porn in my friends basement and that was like a channel called passion or a show called passion cove and it was like they'd show a little bit of boobs. 07:18.292 --> 07:26.217 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, a little bit of butt you'd see bush, but you wouldn't see cock and you wouldn't see full pus, but we were like, this is fucking awesome. 07:26.437 --> 07:30.800 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, everyone's like losing their mind, just cranking their shit next to each other. 07:31.000 --> 07:36.743 [SPEAKER_01]: And like I've never like I don't really talk to any of these people anymore, uh, just because life happens. 07:36.823 --> 07:42.466 [SPEAKER_01]: I love I wish them and I hope God is watching them and in lockstep with them every step. 07:42.486 --> 07:46.008 [SPEAKER_01]: Shout out to God and shout out to every single one of the gods to, um, 07:57.678 --> 07:58.419 [SPEAKER_00]: crazy girl. 07:58.799 --> 07:59.600 [SPEAKER_01]: That crazy girl. 07:59.661 --> 08:00.962 [SPEAKER_01]: There she goes wild right now. 08:02.765 --> 08:03.646 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, we used to do this. 08:03.686 --> 08:05.708 [SPEAKER_01]: But then at summer camp, it was a similar thing. 08:05.768 --> 08:08.192 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, I think the signs for me were there. 08:08.272 --> 08:09.193 [SPEAKER_01]: I was Mr. Sports. 08:09.233 --> 08:12.998 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was sporty guy, but I was like definitely most theatrical guy who was like, yeah. 08:13.198 --> 08:40.003 [SPEAKER_01]: always painting his doing the eye black in baseball where I'm like I'm fierce I'm like I'm kind of giving myself like a drag face and I'm like you're contouring yeah I was full contour doing full contour and like wearing like really like oak like those really fast oaklies it was really fast they're like he's got an amazing uh over arm throw but also look at the cheekbones yeah sorry I could do better with this sports reference but you're being patient with me and I thank you for that 08:40.333 --> 08:45.336 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, and hey, that's what being a bisexual and reminding everybody that I too can listen and support is all about. 08:46.036 --> 08:47.477 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and now I'm squirting. 08:47.737 --> 08:55.481 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, no, I think that you have so much lower that really speaks to my gay brain because I don't know. 08:55.621 --> 09:02.505 [SPEAKER_00]: I grew up with a lot of Zach Zucker's, which are like sweet athletic boys who also know why it would know what it's like. 09:03.385 --> 09:04.946 [SPEAKER_00]: to paint our nails every now and again. 09:05.006 --> 09:15.449 [SPEAKER_00]: Like of course have this ability to give me the comfort of a boy that's gonna like watch an Adam Sandler film, but also you can switch your hips with the best of the gay boys. 09:15.769 --> 09:17.210 [SPEAKER_00]: And that is why Zach Zucker. 09:17.270 --> 09:22.912 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna ask you the famous gay ass podcast question, but we're the by sexual twist. 09:23.132 --> 09:24.172 [SPEAKER_00]: Zach Zucker. 09:24.192 --> 09:25.813 [SPEAKER_01]: You're ready for which you watch the answer. 09:26.353 --> 09:28.055 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I can't weigh both sides of girl. 09:28.396 --> 09:29.177 [SPEAKER_00]: Who's fault? 09:29.397 --> 09:31.279 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it that your buy? 09:31.319 --> 09:32.240 [SPEAKER_00]: Who do we blame? 09:32.380 --> 09:33.682 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a great question. 09:33.702 --> 09:33.722 [SPEAKER_00]: I 09:35.713 --> 09:46.236 [SPEAKER_01]: think, okay, I've done a lot of reflecting over the last few years as you do in life and your relationships, you know, fail along the way. 09:46.716 --> 09:50.297 [SPEAKER_01]: And you figure things out and you're like, hmm, what do I, what makes me tick? 09:50.317 --> 09:50.777 [SPEAKER_01]: What do I like? 09:50.817 --> 09:51.577 [SPEAKER_01]: Where did this come from? 09:51.597 --> 09:56.018 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember when I came out as a bite of my mom when I was 18, she was like, oh, baby, I always knew like, 09:57.001 --> 09:59.162 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, what, I was like, you can't let me have this moment. 09:59.182 --> 10:04.224 [SPEAKER_01]: It was really sweet and she was like, no, I mean, like, you've always loved fashion and architecture. 10:04.244 --> 10:11.847 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, and like you were always, you know, you love sports, but you were always drawing all of the sports guys and drawing really muscular guys all the time. 10:11.867 --> 10:14.048 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was drawing my athlete. 10:14.148 --> 10:15.568 [SPEAKER_01]: I was drawing my heroes. 10:16.028 --> 10:20.970 [SPEAKER_01]: But, and then she also said that apparently all the girls always wanted to have play dates with me when I was younger and I didn't want to. 10:21.010 --> 10:23.131 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, damn, bitch, you clocked to me. 10:23.611 --> 10:24.532 [SPEAKER_01]: She clocked to me. 10:25.299 --> 10:31.382 [SPEAKER_00]: And do you think your Jewish mother knew that you were bisexual or just knew that you were a little little. 10:31.402 --> 10:36.185 [SPEAKER_00]: I was probably in her words at the wrong time, fruity, right, right exactly. 10:36.485 --> 10:42.008 [SPEAKER_00]: She said, I know this is not a heterosexual man who will date and disrespect women for the rest of his life. 10:42.328 --> 10:45.690 [SPEAKER_00]: He will date women and respect them, but also suck, caulk. 10:45.910 --> 10:58.631 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, suck some cock sometimes and that was and that was like the the the fun you know that I have a little joke that I do and one and one of my other shows that was like I knew I was at least a little game when I was 18 because I started sucking dick when I was 14. 11:00.562 --> 11:01.103 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that true? 11:01.443 --> 11:05.667 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I had an interesting way in to it. 11:06.087 --> 11:19.139 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not as fun as as maybe people would think if you're picking up my hints and I'm okay with that I've processed did I've understood it, but I was just like, you know, just like an older boy can kind of just like picked me and I was like, how did you know? 11:20.592 --> 11:24.453 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so we sort of fucked up vibes at the start that they used to live the start. 11:24.473 --> 11:25.213 [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel okay. 11:25.293 --> 11:26.013 [SPEAKER_01]: I brought this to this. 11:26.073 --> 11:26.714 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a problem. 11:26.834 --> 11:34.495 [SPEAKER_01]: I, and then eventually he and I did have a few little rendezvouss, but I was just like, I didn't know it was happening, but I didn't stop it. 11:34.916 --> 11:39.737 [SPEAKER_01]: And at first, I think I was kind of like, oh, maybe I'm just like, horny and I'm a teenager. 11:39.817 --> 11:41.157 [SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't count. 11:41.597 --> 11:44.898 [SPEAKER_01]: And then like years later, I was like, Oh, no, sorry. 11:44.918 --> 11:46.498 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of loved the cock. 11:46.678 --> 11:48.199 [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, as well. 11:49.199 --> 11:56.690 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, no, I actually think that's really beautifully set Zach Zucker because a lot of us had our first experiences that were like dare I say a little fluke tube. 11:57.011 --> 12:01.437 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but then we sort of like reclaim that salt as fluke tube is 12:02.908 --> 12:05.469 [SPEAKER_01]: referring to formative childhood sexual assault. 12:05.509 --> 12:10.472 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, listen, I've never talked about it on this podcast because I haven't felt the right moment. 12:10.492 --> 12:13.974 [SPEAKER_00]: But let me just say, I was on a different podcast that was behind a paywall. 12:14.034 --> 12:17.796 [SPEAKER_00]: So let me give you a little of a teaser before we go to sub-stack for this paywall. 12:17.896 --> 12:21.638 [SPEAKER_00]: I will tell you a somewhat recent food-upery moment that I had. 12:21.718 --> 12:28.521 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, I have processed and listen, Gurly's, we're not making light of the essay of it all. 12:28.561 --> 12:29.602 [SPEAKER_00]: We are actually... 12:30.202 --> 12:35.925 [SPEAKER_00]: being realists about the moment that we have to actually like process that. 12:36.065 --> 12:42.528 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it's kind of like delicious to take its power away by just saying that it's a part of our journey. 12:42.568 --> 12:46.070 [SPEAKER_00]: And it is FookDoo, but it's also let us into knowing what we're into today. 12:46.190 --> 12:46.650 [SPEAKER_00]: True or false? 12:46.670 --> 12:46.770 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 12:47.150 --> 12:55.357 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I think that's 100% true and again, like if this was, um, if we were trying to go totally down a different route, I'd feel more than comfortable exploring all this. 12:55.377 --> 13:01.022 [SPEAKER_01]: Because again, as we all have in their lives, there are more fucked up ones that I'm like, oh, I don't want to laugh or talk about this. 13:01.302 --> 13:04.024 [SPEAKER_01]: But this is actually like, brother, I was 11. 13:04.184 --> 13:05.205 [SPEAKER_01]: You were like 12 and a half. 13:05.465 --> 13:06.286 [SPEAKER_01]: How did you know? 13:06.566 --> 13:07.227 [SPEAKER_01]: How did you know? 13:07.767 --> 13:34.039 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's why it's also wild like how young our sexuality can begin because some people tell me that they did not start to have like homo feelings until they were like 17 18 1920 Meanwhile, I'm 12 years old going to jack and world.com just trying to learn about masturbation Meanwhile, I'm also just like fully watching gay porn like it started early for some of us 13:34.319 --> 13:44.206 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I, and I think for me, it was always kind of there, and then I, I like really was scared by it and like high school, because I was Mr. high school. 13:44.246 --> 13:49.049 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, Mr. sports and meanwhile, I still was sucking dick every now and then, but I was like, that doesn't count. 13:49.069 --> 13:49.730 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not kissing. 13:49.770 --> 13:56.394 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not gay, but cares, you know, and I think maybe when I like, what I moved to LA. 13:57.912 --> 14:05.881 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, let me just make this a part of myself, like, let me just say this and I'd rather be the annoying by sexual telling everybody his bisexual than like the guy who's too scared to say it. 14:06.362 --> 14:17.935 [SPEAKER_01]: So and and it makes me feel better this way, but then I would, you know, I always joke like I feel I've a lot more experience with women and I feel more comfortable there and I'm like I was joking with. 14:18.636 --> 14:28.778 [SPEAKER_01]: somebody that I've been seeing that like, hey, you know, I think I've given credible head to women, but I give head to straight to guys like a straight guy fingers for the first time or I'm just kind of like, is how you do it? 14:28.838 --> 14:29.378 [SPEAKER_01]: Is this how you do it? 14:29.398 --> 14:32.399 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I definitely give the worst blow job of all time. 14:32.779 --> 14:43.681 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, when I can't wait to hear more about that when we go into the sub-stack side, I'm going to ask you the Zach Zucker throat goat techniques, the chomping, joker, are you ready to 14:47.310 --> 14:49.613 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, and cut to me now fully. 14:49.633 --> 14:50.354 [SPEAKER_00]: We're off the record. 14:50.374 --> 14:52.296 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're absolutely sporting all over the place. 14:52.517 --> 14:53.538 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm squirting and bricked. 14:54.159 --> 14:58.244 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think that's a beautiful little tease because I also. 14:58.684 --> 15:00.446 [SPEAKER_00]: I hate when people ask by sexuals. 15:00.667 --> 15:02.008 [SPEAKER_00]: What percentage gay are you? 15:02.148 --> 15:04.011 [SPEAKER_00]: But I will be doing that behind the table. 15:04.031 --> 15:04.571 [SPEAKER_00]: But I will. 15:04.591 --> 15:05.633 [SPEAKER_01]: But I will always answer it. 15:05.981 --> 15:07.742 [SPEAKER_00]: and thank you for that cervix. 15:08.142 --> 15:18.247 [SPEAKER_00]: I will also tell you that we haven't fully gotten into the saxocard lore from your past because if you're a sports girl in high school, but you're also bisexual, were you doing the musical theaters? 15:19.127 --> 15:28.531 [SPEAKER_01]: So I took acting my junior year because I needed a fine arts credit and I heard it was an easy A and I you're going over here your girl is 15:34.974 --> 15:35.494 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I gave bad. 15:35.514 --> 15:39.876 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's because that's what I was just kind of like, whoa, theater chips are hot too. 15:40.136 --> 15:41.137 [SPEAKER_01]: This is awesome. 15:41.517 --> 15:48.620 [SPEAKER_01]: And then started, you know, dating some of the theater girls while I was dating some of the cheerleaders and listen, there's never like really this drama drama. 15:48.640 --> 15:50.340 [SPEAKER_01]: It was just more like classic high school hooking up. 15:50.461 --> 15:51.621 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm playing into it a little bit. 15:51.901 --> 15:53.322 [SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't remember being there. 15:53.342 --> 15:56.023 [SPEAKER_00]: You're saying you're saying that you've always been drowning in a true or false. 15:56.043 --> 15:57.043 [SPEAKER_00]: You've always been drowning in it. 15:57.103 --> 15:58.124 [SPEAKER_01]: I've always been drowning in it. 15:59.204 --> 16:25.235 [SPEAKER_01]: I was hoping I was hoping that for you and it's that's why you flirt It's a problem sometimes one of my friends used to take photos of people coming up to me after shows and she'd have what she A collection or phone called Zach's gaggle of bitches where she was just like the hottest women and the craziest women and the craziest guys And the hottest guys will come up to you afterwards and it's always funny to watch you diplomatically handle all of it But it is it is a problem, but luckily I learned how to swim when I was young, so I'm okay 16:25.915 --> 16:48.132 [SPEAKER_00]: Bay B. I can only imagine because listen talent crushers are real when someone sees a stamp talent probably thinking okay, he's going to choose me and do that sloppy shit on to my downstairs, but you actually have to be so choice see if to be so choice he does listen we know it's happened before where you finish a show and then you've had a moment, but it's not it's an exception and not the rule. 16:48.788 --> 17:03.159 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to me, you know, when I was younger, I definitely like, if there's people that were like around us, it was mostly it's mostly always been like other artists or like producers or people that we have a connection with but like yeah, you know, I think I remember at a very, very clear memory of like there was a gig we didn't 2021 where there was like a 17:04.160 --> 17:23.262 [SPEAKER_01]: someone who I thought we were more peers and it turned out it was more of a fan parasolial relationship and that made me feel really bad and as we also kind of on the topics of earlier of like I was like well I probably shouldn't do this but we're now at this point and it will be more uncomfortable to say no so let me just say yes and again everything was fine 17:23.903 --> 17:48.787 [SPEAKER_01]: We are ultimately still friends and this person doesn't even know that I associate this memory, but at one point I was getting my my D absolute slurp to God given hell and she looked me in the eyes and when you're like the funny guy I've ever met my life and then I I like actually wanted to kill myself I like that was that was actually probably the worst thing that's ever happened to me and then you're actually a really talented storyteller. 17:49.868 --> 17:57.533 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like damn dude, after seeing a backyard show of me doing backyard clowning you got your space work 18:00.715 --> 18:27.764 [SPEAKER_01]: It was awful and I think like the hardest part truthfully is like some sleeping with people that come to your shows it's had to very politely and nicely say knows if they still want to come back and you know what that is the true artist's play in this day and on stuff it's a fucking job and I'm like dog I just perform for three hours don't make me do it again right but you know it's also your thing your show is so high octane and by the way I need to tell the listeners right now that 18:28.940 --> 18:35.944 [SPEAKER_00]: Stampedown is not only a delicious, incredible special that you've talked a little bit about in other interviews like the journey took to get there. 18:36.065 --> 18:45.790 [SPEAKER_00]: So kind of just for a second, all interview aside, fluff your aura and say miles of top and getting there because come on, you've been working your tits off, your hairy Jewish bisexual tits off for so many years. 18:46.111 --> 18:47.391 [SPEAKER_00]: And we can sit here for a moment and say, 18:48.592 --> 18:49.152 [SPEAKER_00]: I did that. 18:49.533 --> 18:54.976 [SPEAKER_00]: She did that and she deserves, but you also put two bushy penises on Netflix. 18:55.416 --> 18:57.658 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that penis could be shown on Netflix. 18:57.698 --> 18:59.219 [SPEAKER_01]: We put three dicks and four tits. 18:59.899 --> 19:00.739 [SPEAKER_01]: The golden ratio. 19:01.180 --> 19:04.081 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, of course, the three dicks and four tits is the golden ratio. 19:04.382 --> 19:11.646 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so glad and great full that the amazing performers that you did have show their dicks did have a body here. 19:11.746 --> 19:15.348 [SPEAKER_00]: And that was something that I felt was really important and respectful. 19:15.388 --> 19:17.329 [SPEAKER_01]: We're body, we're body here positive 19:18.695 --> 19:21.576 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you showed your hairy tit on sloppy seconds and I did. 19:21.756 --> 19:44.279 [SPEAKER_01]: I also, I've been thinking, you know, I always like, this is, I think part of a new thing with me is like just realizing that people listen to things I say or they watch the stuff that I put out there or, you know, to me, I'm like, oh, it's just an end to a means to do stuff for it's like fun to do this, but I forget that some people really take this in, but like recently I did get my ass eaten on stage at our show and then also I got squirted on by a 19:48.600 --> 19:52.522 [SPEAKER_01]: I, and, and to me, I'm like, oh, yeah, well, that's just normal. 19:52.542 --> 19:56.323 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the show, but I, I forget that that's not like a normal thing. 19:56.363 --> 20:00.084 [SPEAKER_01]: Most people see do or hear, you know, who ate your ass on stage? 20:00.524 --> 20:02.785 [SPEAKER_01]: My friend Ruben, my friend Ruben ate my ass in London. 20:02.805 --> 20:05.566 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there was a moment where he almost sucked my dick. 20:05.586 --> 20:07.787 [SPEAKER_01]: And we were like, I think this would be too much for this crowd. 20:07.807 --> 20:09.747 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't think this is maybe the right move. 20:10.548 --> 20:15.589 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love sort of how you have to decide that ass eating is okay, but Dick's sucking would be a step too far. 20:17.410 --> 20:18.711 [SPEAKER_01]: your dick sucked in front of everybody. 20:18.731 --> 20:27.938 [SPEAKER_01]: Like getting your ass eat when your penis is all shriveled up because you're nervous and you're front of a thousand people finding rock hard cock absolutely busting, uh, not force of a different color. 20:28.099 --> 20:28.279 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 20:28.299 --> 20:28.479 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 20:28.659 --> 20:29.780 [SPEAKER_01]: And look, we love that horse. 20:29.820 --> 20:30.761 [SPEAKER_01]: She's got to see the table. 20:30.781 --> 20:31.982 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just not her night tonight. 20:32.812 --> 20:49.317 [SPEAKER_00]: And just like Hashi Shem, we respect her journey, you know what's crazy too, is that in my research, I found out that stamp town started in the basement of a gay bar in Edinburgh, was that your first time on a gay bars basement. 20:49.917 --> 20:53.698 [SPEAKER_01]: And as the gay bar, the name of her or is that the name of the location. 20:57.313 --> 20:58.994 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, so that was the first iteration of us. 20:59.014 --> 21:01.695 [SPEAKER_01]: That was me and my comedy partner, Vigo, we did a show called Zach and Vigo. 21:02.155 --> 21:02.956 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was C.C. 21:02.996 --> 21:04.036 [SPEAKER_01]: Bloom, shout out C.C. 21:04.076 --> 21:06.838 [SPEAKER_01]: Bloom's and ginger daddy Mitch and all the queens who took care of us. 21:07.198 --> 21:17.124 [SPEAKER_01]: We are so inspired and influenced by drag, cabaret, you know, more glam circus arts because when we started, those were the only people that booked us. 21:17.464 --> 21:21.629 [SPEAKER_01]: And in hindsight, I was like, or everyone with the time, I was like, what the hell were comedians? 21:21.669 --> 21:23.010 [SPEAKER_01]: Why is no one looking on the comedy night? 21:23.031 --> 21:27.376 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I look back and it's like, oh, we're like two twinks and like, like, or a body suit, doing physical work. 21:27.796 --> 21:28.377 [SPEAKER_01]: I understand. 21:28.757 --> 21:33.523 [SPEAKER_01]: But that that flavor and that influence is like what inspired our taste. 21:33.603 --> 21:36.947 [SPEAKER_01]: So shout out, Roxie Stardust, for giving me my fucking start to my career. 21:37.507 --> 21:38.067 [SPEAKER_00]: Shout out. 21:38.148 --> 22:01.002 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's we always will remember the first people that threw us a god damn bone and it's like I've got I've got you know those people like I'm going to shout out Jacob mods a portal a he is like early who decided that some money should be thrown towards a glory whole talk show that I have called confession hole and then they produced the hell out of it and he's one of the first people to actually like 22:01.562 --> 22:07.706 [SPEAKER_00]: give actual, like, financial support and industry support and I will never forget him. 22:08.166 --> 22:19.373 [SPEAKER_01]: I always think someone said to me the other day, I don't know if it was just a friend I was talking to if I was doing something like this, but they're like, I was out with my friend Caleb and he was like, what is your thing? 22:19.393 --> 22:20.453 [SPEAKER_01]: What is the thing you love the most? 22:20.493 --> 22:20.734 [SPEAKER_01]: And like, 22:21.514 --> 22:45.657 [SPEAKER_01]: This isn't me playing Martyr or like Martist here, but like to to to big up my people that have helped me and watching my friends succeed genuinely to greatest feelings and I I love that like I'm what you need to know about me besides being in a US bisexual, US is that you probably need to know that like every US who played sports, my dream and what I feel my calling and life is to be a rapper and answer a basketball player. 22:45.997 --> 23:06.228 [SPEAKER_01]: So once you know that about me and know that that's how I approach things I say like I got an epic you know I'm named after this Mr. Athlete Bo Jackson my middle name is Bo and he's a two sport he was the greatest two sport athlete every I want to be that is a performer producer and he is a shirt and tagline that's like I'm not an actor I'm an athlete and I'm like yeah I'm not an actor I'm an athlete so I talk shit and I 23:06.688 --> 23:17.363 [SPEAKER_01]: And I like to shout people out or I don't like to be dis and people are saying shit, but I like to talk my shit and like, so to be able to get out there and talk your shit and give it up to your friends is a is a winning combination for me. 23:17.584 --> 23:23.552 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody listen up right now from now on we're all going to talk our shit and talk about our people and I 23:23.652 --> 23:33.777 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a delicious saying because so many of us are born into a world that tells us to be small to fit into that make sure we're liked. 23:34.117 --> 23:38.739 [SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, I went to this, um, uh, this is book called Fruitfly, the All the Gays are reading. 23:38.759 --> 23:40.040 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I finally got it right now. 23:40.578 --> 23:40.978 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you are. 23:40.998 --> 23:58.005 [SPEAKER_00]: You paid sex and you are, um, and this book, it's the writer is Josh Silver, and I went to like a talk back and he was basically talking about how exhausting it was to try to get everybody to like him for his entire life and he had this like switch for like he realized it's not that I want everybody to like me. 23:58.105 --> 24:02.586 [SPEAKER_00]: It's that I want to find out who do I like and I just think for a lot of us queer do's. 24:02.727 --> 24:05.768 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it very much, uh, I try 24:06.690 --> 24:09.872 [SPEAKER_00]: have tried to get people to like meet all times and it is exhausting. 24:09.912 --> 24:21.680 [SPEAKER_00]: I would rather be like, no, let's talk up the people that are in our Mishpah and our family really get us, but also talk our shit if maybe we're a need of talking shit or somebody needs to hear it. 24:21.840 --> 24:28.645 [SPEAKER_01]: And a big distinction for me is like in my clown training, you separate the performer in the person. 24:29.185 --> 24:33.929 [SPEAKER_01]: So any shit talking out there, unless you make it personal, is never personal, it's sport. 24:34.449 --> 24:48.761 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's and it's to raise the bar and it's to push forward and that's where I've gotten myself in trouble is like, you know, some new media stuff and like selective quoting and not always being articulate is like, I, you know, I want everyone always to be around. 24:48.841 --> 24:54.766 [SPEAKER_01]: I have no hate or no nastiness towards literally anyone in my life unless you like fuck with my friends or my brother or 24:56.009 --> 25:16.507 [SPEAKER_01]: some members of my family not all you get a pass on some but you know but all them you know then then you know I'm I'm coming at you like a rapper basketball player dancer and I'm gonna dance on your grave and I'll shoot at you and I'll dunk on you but and she'll do a time step but she will she'll do a kickball change and a twirl around and a right to friends and so they're dick and go around yeah and eat some ass 25:18.445 --> 25:21.708 [SPEAKER_00]: but not get their dick sucked on stage because the audience doesn't want to see that. 25:21.949 --> 25:22.189 [SPEAKER_01]: It's funny. 25:22.209 --> 25:27.034 [SPEAKER_01]: We've done a lot of sex acts on the show and had never had I felt less aroused than when I do them on stage. 25:27.094 --> 25:27.695 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really funny. 25:28.474 --> 25:46.525 [SPEAKER_00]: I made that mixed total sense, but it would be against my religion if I didn't ask you a very hard question, which is yes, on stamp town, you're character on in stamp town is Jack Tucker of course, but Jack Tucker says, could I be any more of a Samantha? 25:46.965 --> 25:50.687 [SPEAKER_00]: What about Zach Zucker, is he a Samantha or a different girl in the bunch? 25:51.028 --> 25:52.829 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, do you want to hear a devastating truth? 25:53.432 --> 25:54.192 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 25:54.212 --> 25:54.753 [SPEAKER_01]: You're charling it. 25:55.113 --> 25:56.254 [SPEAKER_01]: I have not seen enough. 25:56.714 --> 26:02.578 [SPEAKER_01]: So I only know I thought Carrie Bradshaw was the name of an actress until like two years ago. 26:02.658 --> 26:04.118 [SPEAKER_01]: Until like a girlfriend and a half ago. 26:04.138 --> 26:05.900 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's the straight side of you. 26:06.040 --> 26:12.564 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I was like, well, it's funny because I think it's more the clown where I am sometimes as dumb as advertised. 26:12.584 --> 26:15.826 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't have like, I think the, I don't know what the straightest thing about me is. 26:15.846 --> 26:16.846 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the worst sneakers. 26:17.366 --> 26:20.909 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you know, you won't, you, I fight to the nail to wear a collar 26:23.350 --> 26:31.993 [SPEAKER_01]: even though every woman I've dated recently, the men don't care so much, but every woman I've dated has begged me to get into a pair of like nice flowy pants with my shirt tucked in. 26:32.333 --> 26:35.915 [SPEAKER_01]: I got a note from one of my, my second to most recent ex who bless her. 26:35.935 --> 26:36.575 [SPEAKER_01]: She's a sweetheart. 26:36.995 --> 26:43.857 [SPEAKER_01]: She was like, look, I'm not trying to like change you, but like you could really do with a little less slim shady and a lot more Paul mescal. 26:43.977 --> 26:50.780 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but don't she understand that Jewish boys from camp are slim shady. 26:51.198 --> 26:51.979 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying. 26:52.099 --> 26:55.222 [SPEAKER_01]: Why else do I have a slim shady jersey in here from when I was eight years old? 26:56.444 --> 26:58.886 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, this, your Lord gets deeper and deeper. 26:59.006 --> 26:59.847 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a nice look. 26:59.968 --> 27:00.949 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't give enough of it. 27:00.969 --> 27:08.216 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think I, because I mean, I assume everyone knows this and then I get frustrated that people don't understand me, but then I never talk or tell anybody anything. 27:08.277 --> 27:09.658 [SPEAKER_00]: So look at you now, Zach. 27:09.678 --> 27:10.759 [SPEAKER_00]: You're talking to saying. 27:11.180 --> 27:13.082 [SPEAKER_01]: I am, I just need to get asked face to do it. 27:15.247 --> 27:20.651 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I love being the gayest face that you get to sort of unload on, if you will. 27:22.192 --> 27:34.981 [SPEAKER_00]: But that being said, there is more of your lore that I think which sort of like flesh out this slim shadingness because you've a really beautiful bit about the Baha'man, which was one of my biggest middle school jams. 27:35.662 --> 27:39.725 [SPEAKER_00]: What was Zach jamming out to as a horny closet by sexual 13-year-old? 27:40.892 --> 27:42.913 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, so I had some phases. 27:42.933 --> 27:43.954 [SPEAKER_01]: So I got into music. 27:44.014 --> 27:49.958 [SPEAKER_01]: My dad was a drummer and my dad like in not as there's a profession, but he loves music. 27:50.058 --> 27:51.839 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, played a lot of great music. 27:52.239 --> 27:54.821 [SPEAKER_01]: And I started off with like Queen, the aerosmith. 27:54.901 --> 27:58.863 [SPEAKER_01]: The dude looks like a lady was a huge hit for me as a kid, classic. 27:59.223 --> 28:04.647 [SPEAKER_01]: I found out my relationship to the trans community and the queens in my life. 28:06.108 --> 28:07.348 [SPEAKER_01]: I then like got into 28:08.329 --> 28:09.790 [SPEAKER_01]: then I'm also a skater. 28:09.810 --> 28:11.250 [SPEAKER_01]: I used to skate back in the day. 28:11.290 --> 28:12.791 [SPEAKER_01]: So a little kind of shredding a little bit. 28:12.811 --> 28:16.653 [SPEAKER_01]: So I got into like punk rock and then I got into hip hop pretty young. 28:17.033 --> 28:24.557 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like I was like in like second and third grade to fifth grade and I wore jersey to school every day and snap hands and shorts. 28:25.077 --> 28:35.262 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was listening, I had the headphones that went back like this, and I'm listening to Tupac and Biggie and 50 Cent in La Cagne and, you know, like, these are like all day long. 28:35.382 --> 28:44.106 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, but you, like, and I wanna talk more about that because that era is my, like, I used to go into the bathroom and draw Tupac's tattoos on me because I thought I was him. 28:44.607 --> 28:48.528 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would draw the, like, only strong, only the strong and to vibe, like, cross tattoo. 28:48.588 --> 28:50.730 [SPEAKER_01]: And like, I thankfully had the wherewithal as like, 28:52.150 --> 28:55.214 [SPEAKER_01]: a single-digited human to not write the end word on myself. 28:55.734 --> 28:58.117 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like I would either change it or just not write it. 28:58.137 --> 29:03.443 [SPEAKER_01]: Two-pock has like a tattoo with like a like a big gun and it says like realist. 29:03.703 --> 29:05.004 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just had it say realist. 29:05.165 --> 29:07.888 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like I don't know where I got the 29:08.909 --> 29:14.894 [SPEAKER_00]: Like why not geographically was Zach Zucker putting on wrappers tattoos on her body where they had them on their bodies. 29:15.034 --> 29:24.764 [SPEAKER_01]: So so thug life around the navel on the abs for two-pock and then the realist was like kind of right here Up here on the arms like I was drawing barbed wire. 29:24.924 --> 29:27.166 [SPEAKER_01]: I was doing like all this different stuff. 29:27.206 --> 29:33.552 [SPEAKER_00]: I was doing Zach at nine years old looks like he is a fully platinum wrap artist 29:34.019 --> 29:39.106 [SPEAKER_01]: I would wear a flat room cap and there was a times where I wore a do rag to school. 29:39.346 --> 29:39.787 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say it. 29:41.169 --> 29:43.672 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so glad you're being brave because let's hear sold. 29:45.449 --> 29:59.596 [SPEAKER_00]: There's some weird crossover between young Jewish boys and the black community and wrapping like and bass, you know basketball like there's something I don't it didn't really affect me as much thank God I was more like the barbers rise and around but like some of us went there. 30:00.697 --> 30:12.723 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say just to make you feel seen the most cancel moment I had in terms of like being a white Jewish boy but and infringing upon the black community is I was in a production of once on this island. 30:13.203 --> 30:17.426 [SPEAKER_00]: a musical that famous he takes place on an island with only people of color. 30:17.446 --> 30:21.888 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was great that they stretched the diversity casting to include you. 30:21.968 --> 30:24.290 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I actually played the lightskin black to lover. 30:24.690 --> 30:26.871 [SPEAKER_00]: Lightkin black lover of team moon. 30:27.051 --> 30:28.632 [SPEAKER_01]: So that is unreal. 30:28.672 --> 30:29.553 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not alone, Zach. 30:29.593 --> 30:33.855 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and that, I mean, look, it's funny because I, I'm not nearly 30:34.916 --> 30:40.941 [SPEAKER_01]: Not awake enough as the word, but sharp enough and prepared enough to try to thread the needle of the connection between the Jewish and black communities. 30:41.381 --> 30:54.112 [SPEAKER_01]: But but it's there and it's awesome and I'm not like shy about it dog every artist I like in every bit of epic culture and music and entertainment and sports I've liked has come from the black community and I'm like I'm instead of saying. 30:54.872 --> 30:56.073 [SPEAKER_01]: being like, oh, it's weird to say. 30:56.113 --> 30:57.273 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be like, no, I'm hand up. 30:57.493 --> 30:57.953 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 30:57.993 --> 30:58.734 [SPEAKER_01]: That's my influence. 30:58.874 --> 31:00.594 [SPEAKER_01]: Everything I like is from y'all. 31:00.634 --> 31:04.476 [SPEAKER_01]: And I hope you, I hope you let me enjoy and appreciate all of your culture. 31:04.516 --> 31:06.817 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, I hope to be a great ally to the community. 31:07.377 --> 31:09.958 [SPEAKER_00]: It, I, I obviously can't be the person to decide that. 31:09.978 --> 31:14.880 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm going to say from my, my vantage point that it sounds like you're doing a good job. 31:14.900 --> 31:15.140 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe. 31:15.660 --> 31:24.143 [SPEAKER_00]: And if I may go with the gate twist to it, so many of us gay boys have felt seen by black women, specifically. 31:24.183 --> 31:28.644 [SPEAKER_00]: There's that very sort of stereotypical thing that we used to say problematically that. 31:28.804 --> 31:32.005 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just, I'm not a gay guy and this is a black woman inside of me. 31:32.025 --> 31:32.825 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember? 31:33.065 --> 31:36.846 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to ask you as one of my favorite things to talk about belt trusses. 31:37.166 --> 31:42.928 [SPEAKER_00]: Are there any like black female singers, performers, that have spoken to the gay part of your brain? 31:43.108 --> 31:55.834 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course, um, I mean, like, I mean, with, like, you know, I'm not going to just, I'm not going to like move past the modern queens of like Beyonce and like Rihanna who I feel like are our versions of these just like epic absolute bad at baddies. 31:56.094 --> 31:59.916 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Jennifer Hudson got me like Jennifer Hudson really got me. 32:00.377 --> 32:01.537 [SPEAKER_00]: So you love a white vibrato. 32:01.897 --> 32:02.217 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 32:02.818 --> 32:03.018 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 32:04.021 --> 32:04.361 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah. 32:05.142 --> 32:10.565 [SPEAKER_00]: When you think to I'm Jennifer Hudson, do you do the vibrato when she's singing along note? 32:10.925 --> 32:11.186 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 32:11.366 --> 32:23.833 [SPEAKER_01]: And now and by by like doing it, do you mean that I actually am making the sound or are you saying that I just like, does your jaw move when you're lip syncing to the lyric or when you're singing, do you do full vibrato? 32:23.873 --> 32:25.414 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, either I'm open to hearing about. 32:25.695 --> 32:25.935 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 32:26.135 --> 32:26.355 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 32:26.735 --> 32:27.135 [SPEAKER_01]: I yes. 32:27.676 --> 32:29.357 [SPEAKER_01]: Like when I like when I saw, yeah, it's like that. 32:31.020 --> 32:31.820 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how I sucked it. 32:31.860 --> 32:33.561 [SPEAKER_01]: I sucked it like Jennifer Hudson on American. 32:33.601 --> 32:37.202 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see it personally. 32:37.262 --> 32:44.405 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think some of my, some of my more recent female black queens who are singing epicly as are you from there at the artist 070 shake. 32:45.714 --> 32:55.805 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not she's also gay and so she's a legend zero seven zero first She rocks big time. 32:55.885 --> 33:06.016 [SPEAKER_01]: I also love Tierrawack Tierrawack is a is a big Influenced for me an amazing artist and she just makes such funky fuck you don't give a fuck music and it's 33:06.777 --> 33:09.378 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's so beautiful to freaking listen to. 33:09.398 --> 33:28.905 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm you're so you're just so interesting because you know the modern girlies you also know the class seeks you are someone that I just I don't know it's it's I'm having a pinch me moment Zach Zucker because I've watched your shift for years and how long I have I really have I 33:29.505 --> 33:30.367 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so funny to me. 33:30.747 --> 33:31.268 [SPEAKER_01]: I struggle. 33:31.408 --> 33:43.888 [SPEAKER_01]: I struggle to I've deep imposter syndrome and I like I don't consider you know I'm still my living room you know I mean I'm still broke and I'm fine with that and I need to stop telling people that is what everyone keeps telling me. 33:44.689 --> 33:59.235 [SPEAKER_00]: know I appreciate I say I'm I'm still broke to and I think it's actually I like that you are transparent about the business actually this is a bit of an interruption but this is something I think helps a lot of people which is I talk about sort of the like. 33:59.795 --> 34:02.056 [SPEAKER_00]: in-profits syndrome as well, how we have to keep pushing. 34:02.356 --> 34:06.718 [SPEAKER_00]: You've said that you've gotten a lot of nodes before this Netflix special, which makes so much sense. 34:06.738 --> 34:08.099 [SPEAKER_00]: People don't know what to do with you. 34:09.420 --> 34:16.843 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess the question is, how have you kept pushing because it is so much fuking twerk to be able to produce all this shit? 34:17.103 --> 34:20.305 [SPEAKER_00]: How did you keep pushing despite still being a broke artist who gets a lot of nodes? 34:20.714 --> 34:34.327 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's funny, my, my best friend and comedy partner, Johnny always describes me as like having the perfect combo of blind confidence and delusion and I'm like, would love if you said talent, but I, but I, I mean, never does. 34:35.848 --> 34:40.693 [SPEAKER_01]: And he goes, I hear ya, but I, you know, that's my training is like, 34:41.835 --> 34:43.697 [SPEAKER_01]: How do you turn a no into a positive? 34:44.097 --> 34:51.203 [SPEAKER_01]: And on top of that, it's like the cloud mentality of like, look, if I don't do anything for sure, nothing will happen. 34:51.704 --> 34:55.427 [SPEAKER_01]: But if I try, there's even a small chance it could happen. 34:55.827 --> 35:00.351 [SPEAKER_01]: And if it does, my training is like, I'm not good at getting things right. 35:00.411 --> 35:03.213 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I fuck up almost everything always. 35:03.554 --> 35:07.277 [SPEAKER_01]: But what I am good at is identifying what's wrong and fixing it. 35:07.377 --> 35:07.757 [SPEAKER_01]: Because 35:08.598 --> 35:11.159 [SPEAKER_01]: I've gotten so many notes or I've fucked up so many times in my life. 35:11.179 --> 35:13.980 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was the kid who was in the principal's office. 35:14.500 --> 35:18.561 [SPEAKER_01]: That's me, you know, and I always found my solutions and I'm a hustler. 35:19.221 --> 35:21.022 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, ultimately, I didn't have a choice. 35:21.062 --> 35:28.244 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't have, I'm not going to play so clown dumb that I'm like, I couldn't figure out how to go to school, but I didn't go to university. 35:28.404 --> 35:30.184 [SPEAKER_01]: I, I like, couldn't hack it. 35:30.344 --> 35:32.665 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, I love to learn when I am 35:34.346 --> 35:42.892 [SPEAKER_01]: in the environment of learning what I want to and, you know, when I don't want to be somewhere, I will revolt so hard that I believe I would potentially kill myself if I was in the wrong place. 35:43.092 --> 35:50.137 [SPEAKER_01]: So I have found the right place that makes me want to feel like I want to kill myself the least and it brings me incredible joy to do it. 35:50.338 --> 35:54.741 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, but like, you know, we said earlier, I wasn't funny or good at acting at all. 35:55.121 --> 35:57.002 [SPEAKER_01]: When I started, I was terrible and 35:57.963 --> 36:00.744 [SPEAKER_01]: Even at cloud school, I was like the worst no one wanted to work with me. 36:00.804 --> 36:08.728 [SPEAKER_01]: I was only I only ended up working with Vigo because we were the last two people by process of elimination on the day of registration that we're still wanting to go to the French. 36:09.228 --> 36:13.370 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're like, guess it's me and you, but funny is guy in your class, least funny guy in my class. 36:13.450 --> 36:13.730 [SPEAKER_01]: So. 36:14.910 --> 36:32.144 [SPEAKER_01]: good day to be me, and you know, you just, you just go with it, and it's, it's like a neverending pursuit, but I think ultimately, I'm also very lucky that I've surrounded myself with a bunch of geniuses who I trust, who going back to the earlier thing, can tell me when something's not working and they don't kiss ass or suck up to me. 36:32.164 --> 36:35.347 [SPEAKER_01]: I think some people think because I play, I love to be in the spotlight. 36:35.367 --> 36:36.908 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a sucker for this lot, I spotlight. 36:36.928 --> 36:42.833 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a slut to be in the spotlight, but when it's not my time contract, actually, to be in the spotlight, I'm very uncomfortable a lot of times. 36:43.273 --> 36:44.694 [SPEAKER_01]: and I retreat. 36:45.174 --> 36:48.616 [SPEAKER_01]: And so to have, you know, I don't want people who are like, you're amazing. 36:48.656 --> 36:49.336 [SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome. 36:49.356 --> 36:52.858 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that makes me feel like already I'm in the wrong place. 36:53.498 --> 36:59.901 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm grateful that I have a support system with people who love me who can be honest with me and don't treat me different. 37:00.737 --> 37:09.323 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think that is quite inspiring, but also like spot on because all, like you said, nothing's gonna happen if you don't do anything. 37:09.423 --> 37:11.164 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's just like one foot in front of the other. 37:11.504 --> 37:16.027 [SPEAKER_00]: But we do like to manifest here on the pod, and especially around sub-cycle do a horny manifestation. 37:16.067 --> 37:20.450 [SPEAKER_00]: But for this side, I wanna manifest some delicious money for Zack Zucker. 37:20.470 --> 37:27.855 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see you in the moment where a piece of work hits so big that you're just like drowning in this stuff. 37:28.335 --> 37:33.837 [SPEAKER_00]: What is a purchase or a lifestyle change that you would look forward to with a boatload of bucks? 37:34.357 --> 37:38.078 [SPEAKER_01]: We always said, I appreciate your podcast because I can say this. 37:38.638 --> 37:46.020 [SPEAKER_01]: We always said between me, my best friends, Johnny and Dylan, when we got our first big paycheck, that Johnny was going to get a Gucci sweatsuit, head to toe, fitted in Gucci. 37:46.380 --> 37:49.301 [SPEAKER_01]: Dylan was going to get a full purple letterman jacket with his name on it. 37:49.321 --> 37:51.261 [SPEAKER_01]: And that was just going to get massive fake tits. 37:53.742 --> 37:56.763 [SPEAKER_01]: Still me, just the biggest money can buy. 37:58.425 --> 38:00.107 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually can see with big knockers. 38:00.287 --> 38:01.688 [SPEAKER_01]: We're just huge knockers. 38:01.909 --> 38:03.070 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, uh, God. 38:04.571 --> 38:06.333 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not, I'm still he him. 38:06.353 --> 38:07.775 [SPEAKER_01]: I am still that bitch. 38:07.915 --> 38:08.535 [SPEAKER_01]: I am her. 38:08.836 --> 38:09.576 [SPEAKER_01]: I am all this. 38:09.657 --> 38:13.540 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not trying to encroach in anybody else's territory's communities. 38:13.601 --> 38:14.001 [SPEAKER_01]: I love you. 38:14.081 --> 38:15.823 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just a guy with huge tits. 38:17.159 --> 38:39.477 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's something about you sort of like hitting a punchline and then as the laughter hits the tits continue to bounce I think I would get them I'd get them like remote you know one goes up one goes down before we finish this side of the episode and go to the sub stack side can I give you one piece of Jewish geography that mic argue please. 38:40.680 --> 38:44.622 [SPEAKER_00]: I grew up in St. Louis, Missouri with Carly Tamron brother. 38:44.642 --> 38:48.324 [SPEAKER_01]: But you said I was going to fucking say I'm sure it is Tamron. 38:48.504 --> 38:49.225 [SPEAKER_00]: No way. 38:49.265 --> 38:53.447 [SPEAKER_00]: Frontman of Thumpasaurus, the stamp town band and one of your producers. 38:53.707 --> 38:55.368 [SPEAKER_00]: How do you feel about that? 38:55.648 --> 38:58.530 [SPEAKER_01]: That is, I'm also just turning my phone on to show you. 38:58.990 --> 39:04.173 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, I love this boy so much that he is, you know, it's my phone background. 39:04.193 --> 39:05.173 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I love this man. 39:05.913 --> 39:06.094 [SPEAKER_01]: And. 39:07.282 --> 39:15.406 [SPEAKER_01]: God, Lucas, hey, Luki, I owe you, I owe you for life, and you owe me to, but I owe you more, and I am, and I love him. 39:15.446 --> 39:16.506 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the Tamron family. 39:16.586 --> 39:17.247 [SPEAKER_01]: I love Carly. 39:17.367 --> 39:18.047 [SPEAKER_01]: I love Lucas. 39:18.527 --> 39:19.748 [SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't surprise me at all. 39:19.968 --> 39:24.370 [SPEAKER_01]: Y'all are great people, and I feel like, are you and Carly the same age or you and Lucas the same age? 39:24.410 --> 39:42.875 [SPEAKER_00]: We Carly and I are the same age and the funny lore that some of these listeners might love to hear is that Carly and I don't remember exactly if it was like elementary school that we first met but she's obviously like an amazing dancer performer and she went to University of Michigan from musical theater which was like my biggest dream and I was like 39:43.435 --> 39:53.650 [SPEAKER_00]: So gagged and she ended up of course like becoming a starring movie to LA, but I was at the New York Theater Fag for a while and then to see Lucas show up in yourself. 39:53.670 --> 39:54.932 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like, what a small 39:58.357 --> 40:09.361 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, I mean, so Lucas and I, we met 10 years ago and we dated two girls who were best friends and eventually they dumped us and we were like, well, we got to prove them wrong and our still friends with both of them, which is hilarious. 40:09.481 --> 40:16.344 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they made a doc, the, the, the ex girlfriends both have a documentary on Netflix and we were like, we got to get on Netflix someday together, brother. 40:16.404 --> 40:20.565 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the Laura's deep, the Laura is deep in my life and I'm gagged. 40:20.585 --> 40:21.225 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gagged. 40:21.305 --> 40:22.126 [SPEAKER_01]: Got, I love them. 40:22.226 --> 40:25.327 [SPEAKER_01]: I love, we had a great new years together a few years ago, like, 40:26.087 --> 40:28.909 [SPEAKER_01]: I have, oh my god, I could talk about them forever. 40:28.929 --> 40:29.950 [SPEAKER_01]: I love their family. 40:29.990 --> 40:33.213 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, I just, I love, I'm so up on the Tamron family. 40:33.233 --> 40:40.259 [SPEAKER_01]: And Lucas, it's so Lucas saved my life and Karly kept me grounded throughout the entire, probably like Karly's a powerhouse producer director. 40:41.039 --> 40:43.602 [SPEAKER_01]: I've also started gendering words like directorist and productress. 40:43.642 --> 40:45.623 [SPEAKER_00]: And I find it, it's to be more empowering and fun. 40:45.643 --> 40:45.924 [SPEAKER_00]: I like that. 40:45.944 --> 40:46.384 [SPEAKER_00]: I like that. 40:46.764 --> 41:13.775 [SPEAKER_01]: you know I love I love I call myself a director so Carly is also a power about him director yes to me yes and not your daddy films shot it out uh and they um she you know to have people who like she was just a dancer of air quotes on this for this but as a productress director she helped keep me steady and helped act as a liaison and just like a glue person between all of this and same with Lucas Lucas is a doer you know they made all of our music in 41:14.595 --> 41:31.068 [SPEAKER_01]: six days notice for a lot less money than he should have and they licensed all of the thumpasource music to us because we got no music cleared so that family I owe them and I you know what I'm gonna do when I get a lot of money I'm gonna give some to the tamarine family and they're all gonna get big giant hit. 41:31.088 --> 41:32.689 [SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna get massive knockers. 41:32.789 --> 41:37.393 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry Lucas, Ali, the other one, the parents. 41:37.713 --> 41:42.117 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think my three brothers names are? 41:43.379 --> 41:48.984 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, St. Louis, um, cleetus Maxwell and Wibnett. 41:49.844 --> 41:50.365 [SPEAKER_00]: Correct. 41:50.845 --> 41:58.312 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, my Jewish brother, cleetus, uh, cleetus Williams, uh, yeah, he, he, he, he, he's a big fan of yours as well. 41:58.932 --> 42:00.774 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I shut up my brothers. 42:00.874 --> 42:01.815 [SPEAKER_00]: I shut up the tamarines. 42:01.955 --> 42:02.996 [SPEAKER_00]: I shut out the Zach Zucker. 42:03.356 --> 42:07.620 [SPEAKER_00]: I also shut out the final podcast question before we cross over to the self-destruct signs. 42:07.640 --> 42:08.121 [SPEAKER_00]: Zach Zucker. 42:10.082 --> 42:10.563 [SPEAKER_00]: I girl. 42:10.983 --> 42:11.724 [SPEAKER_00]: This is just a start. 42:11.744 --> 42:12.945 [SPEAKER_00]: This is just a start of our history. 42:13.986 --> 42:18.450 [SPEAKER_00]: Zach Zucker, the final question for a bisexual king is going to be a tough one, but let's see where you go with it. 42:18.490 --> 42:24.976 [SPEAKER_00]: That question is, if the world was ending, you could only save one character actress. 42:25.376 --> 42:28.359 [SPEAKER_00]: Who would you save that? 42:29.420 --> 42:31.241 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I would save my friend, Gray's writer. 42:32.623 --> 42:33.103 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what? 42:33.764 --> 42:34.905 [SPEAKER_01]: She just got a writer now. 42:35.972 --> 42:51.202 [SPEAKER_00]: Grace Reiter is the most perfect answer because yes, I got to see Grace in ginger twins these off broad way and of course we're shouting at the SNL announcement of it all and Grace Reiter is by far one of our greatest character actresses. 42:51.382 --> 43:02.931 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, like, there's a lot of great ones that immediately pop to my mind and it's like, you know, at Kristen Wigs already saved honey, you know, like, you already got all the the absolute bells and the starlets, like, people are going to save them. 43:03.371 --> 43:06.453 [SPEAKER_01]: And I want to, um, I want to look out for the future. 43:06.773 --> 43:09.956 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would love to go on record as being one of the first people to save Grace this way. 43:10.818 --> 43:17.181 [SPEAKER_00]: And you are the first person on that's a gay ass podcast to say grace writer, but you're not the first person to be a fancy everybody. 43:17.221 --> 43:27.086 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're listening, you don't know who we're talking about just type in her name and you're going to see the most genius characters and most of the wall just such she oh my god. 43:27.126 --> 43:27.906 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so excited. 43:28.146 --> 43:31.108 [SPEAKER_00]: It isn't cool to see people like that who have been hustling. 43:31.408 --> 43:33.649 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's also, I met her like three years. 43:33.790 --> 43:38.012 [SPEAKER_01]: Me and my friend Natalie, maybe two years ago, went and did American high, which is like, are you familiar with them? 43:38.052 --> 43:39.373 [SPEAKER_01]: That, yeah, it's huge. 43:39.813 --> 43:41.794 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a, it's a production company. 43:41.814 --> 43:47.178 [SPEAKER_01]: They bought a high school and converted it into production office and there's like a house around there and they, 43:48.158 --> 43:55.925 [SPEAKER_01]: pay and give opportunities to in-house, you know, people that started like, um, as a, you know, kind of a college program. 43:56.285 --> 44:02.030 [SPEAKER_01]: But people like house people and they get to basically make sketches every week and there's visiting artists that come in and they have podcasts and make their own series. 44:02.050 --> 44:03.211 [SPEAKER_01]: They just made their own series. 44:03.872 --> 44:06.074 [SPEAKER_01]: My friends Julia, it's the mutual twins. 44:06.254 --> 44:09.337 [SPEAKER_01]: I forget who else I think hide is in this and are other friend Tommy and Grace. 44:09.857 --> 44:10.238 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just. 44:10.718 --> 44:37.951 [SPEAKER_01]: are on this new like Netflix vertical short that they're making from this and American high also like they as a production company have movie deals with Hulu so like my friends bright panic their movie pizza movie like this is also me and my bought in my in my bag right now shouting out my friends and then the the for the future gen the next gen the previous gen like but they're they're all getting in and and grace has just been working so hard uh so i'm and is the lovely so i put i put my whole pussy behind grace and i'll also throw special mention for 44:39.852 --> 44:51.360 [SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to Courtney and we're definitely putting our places behind Courtney and Grace and we're so excited to see Grace on SNL and can I mean like Grace is going to watch no exactly I mean if a character I trust like Grace is on there. 44:51.380 --> 44:56.383 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to watch and we're also going to be excited for the like Chris and wiggification of like what movies. 44:56.403 --> 45:05.329 [SPEAKER_00]: She's going to end up doing what I always say better Chris and wiggification than gentrification and I would love to be go I would love to add some money to that political statement. 45:07.891 --> 45:17.775 [SPEAKER_00]: Zach Zucker, we're going to go to sub-stack and I'm going to ask you some bisexual questions about percentages, but not, but I'm more excited about your traveling tails. 45:18.055 --> 45:19.896 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a twin porn joke in Stampton. 45:19.916 --> 45:29.460 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to grill you on and before that, though, will you tell these stunning listeners where to follow you, how they can see Stampton and anything else you would like for them to know. 45:29.920 --> 45:32.761 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, please, please watch the stamp town special on Netflix. 45:32.841 --> 45:38.363 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really, it's, it's 10 years in the making of like pure love and friendship and community. 45:38.523 --> 45:39.983 [SPEAKER_01]: And I love these people so much. 45:40.223 --> 45:43.524 [SPEAKER_01]: I, I believe I have the easiest job in the world. 45:43.544 --> 45:50.466 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm the luckiest personal world that I surround myself with the most talented individuals from all walks of life and all genres of artistic expression. 45:50.926 --> 45:53.087 [SPEAKER_01]: So how could I not run a good show? 45:53.667 --> 46:07.098 [SPEAKER_01]: When that is the people I strap myself to I also have another special on YouTube called Jack Tucker comedy stand-up hour I just directed one for my boys business casual is hot Called cowboys that just came out yesterday. 46:07.198 --> 46:17.427 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know when this will come out, but it yesterday from when this happened Yeah, and I'm on the internet at Zach under scores occurs come come come see show I want to do this forever and entertain you and who knows? 46:17.467 --> 46:20.950 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if you come on the right night, I'll Maybe even make you come after the show 46:22.068 --> 46:26.431 [SPEAKER_00]: And then when you're sucking Zach stick, I want you to say, you're like, really funny. 46:26.451 --> 46:27.571 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's cow. 46:29.192 --> 46:38.317 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody, I have linked Zach's personal stuff, but also stamp town go watch on Netflix, stamp town special, go to YouTube to watch that special and continue to support Zach. 46:38.457 --> 46:38.858 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the, 46:39.858 --> 46:46.940 [SPEAKER_00]: Most handsome, funny, bisexual, juices that I have ever been blessed enough to chat with. 46:47.200 --> 46:50.101 [SPEAKER_00]: But this chatting is going to continue for the paid girlies on sub-stack. 46:50.121 --> 46:51.722 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly girls. 46:51.742 --> 46:53.362 [SPEAKER_00]: I would love to know. 46:54.543 --> 47:00.464 [SPEAKER_00]: If you have any formative, I'm going to go like in the bisexual boy and go just because so many horny gay boys listen to this. 47:00.764 --> 47:02.185 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, any formative boys? 47:02.843 --> 47:26.614 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, morning gay boys, do you have any formative moments with a gay boy that was either like a flirting or a hookup or a dating or anything that my best friend, again, one of the other safe signs is like my my like actual true like I'm somebody else is a lot of best friends, but then I've my people and my family and then I've chosen ones and I love them all my as to quote my good friend, Azure true 11, I love you all very differently. 47:27.314 --> 47:29.496 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, and he always goes, all right. 47:29.516 --> 47:29.916 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm leaving. 47:30.017 --> 47:31.598 [SPEAKER_01]: I love you all very differently. 47:32.038 --> 47:33.159 [SPEAKER_01]: And then then leaves. 47:33.579 --> 47:34.320 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's really sweet. 47:34.700 --> 47:38.163 [SPEAKER_01]: But I had my, my, one of my closest friends, best friends, Ethan. 47:39.664 --> 47:41.706 [SPEAKER_01]: Shout out Ethan Jacobs if you're listening in Chicago. 47:42.147 --> 47:46.950 [SPEAKER_01]: And Ethan and I, Ethan was like, the bravely, the one out gay person. 47:47.551 --> 47:49.853 [SPEAKER_01]: And he and I were best friends. 47:49.973 --> 47:55.177 [SPEAKER_01]: And we were always calling each other gay and fat against stuff, which was like, definitely problematic. 47:55.257 --> 47:55.578 [SPEAKER_01]: But like, 47:56.238 --> 47:59.441 [SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was us being like, hey, girl, what's up, girl? 47:59.661 --> 48:00.942 [SPEAKER_01]: What's up, you gas, little bitch? 48:00.982 --> 48:11.632 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, you know, and just like, kind of, cleaning out hard, and I think I probably had a way, like, a definitely a big crush that was beyond a friendship. 48:11.832 --> 48:17.618 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I think, like, I started to realize, I'm on a big kick right now of, like, platonic intimacy and romantic friendships. 48:18.178 --> 48:36.720 [SPEAKER_01]: is to shut up my good friend Jacqueline Fury, the Australian sword swallowing fire breathing badass bitch of a witch who is my fucking Empress goddess mama I love her and one of my best friends on top of all that but she she quoted that and I was like that sounds right especially for a nomadic 48:37.725 --> 48:39.686 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, traveling guy like myself. 48:39.766 --> 48:56.917 [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to do and do and Ethan have any romance for the rest of the interview had to sub-stack linked below where you will also find chats with Colin Braun, Rich Burns, Christopher Patterson Ross so Tyler Varvel, Sebastian Dino, Cody Silver, Johnny Sibley, Sam Altizer and more. 48:57.378 --> 49:04.542 [SPEAKER_00]: It's at sub-stack.com slash at Eric Wills and I will see you there for a gorgeous Harry Horny time. 49:04.562 --> 49:05.283 [SPEAKER_00]: I love you. 49:05.303 --> 49:05.543 [SPEAKER_00]: Bye.