WEBVTT 00:09.278 --> 00:30.105 [SPEAKER_03]: what is up everybody welcome to comic book club on Alex i'm just in 26 and we are coming to you live from a couple places on the internet for live on facebook youtube linked in twitch instagram or maybe you're listening later wherever you get your podcast and if you are listening later 00:30.085 --> 00:45.828 [SPEAKER_03]: Just a note you can get ad free versions of this podcast and on the podcast we do a patreon dot com slash comic book club And it is our first show of the new year Guys did you have me you're seeing you to java How's your 20 26 so far all right? 00:46.569 --> 00:47.791 [SPEAKER_04]: What a different flavor. 00:48.071 --> 00:50.895 [SPEAKER_04]: You know how we shaken it up this year lands 00:50.875 --> 00:51.957 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, boy. 00:52.077 --> 00:53.701 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I wear hats now. 00:53.761 --> 00:54.442 [SPEAKER_03]: That's one thing. 00:54.482 --> 00:54.963 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow. 00:55.083 --> 00:56.526 [SPEAKER_04]: That's very cool. 00:56.726 --> 00:57.288 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, sick. 00:57.849 --> 01:00.013 [SPEAKER_04]: My brim is only getting higher and higher. 01:01.516 --> 01:03.019 [SPEAKER_03]: It's because of how surprised you are. 01:03.119 --> 01:06.786 [SPEAKER_03]: You're like, yeah. 01:06.806 --> 01:08.149 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it is wearing a hat. 01:08.169 --> 01:10.513 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's like a tiny little cap on the back of his head. 01:10.934 --> 01:12.377 [SPEAKER_03]: Like a cartoon. 01:12.357 --> 01:13.038 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure. 01:13.619 --> 01:14.300 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, why not? 01:14.340 --> 01:14.621 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks. 01:14.701 --> 01:15.382 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I'm Pete. 01:15.822 --> 01:24.977 [SPEAKER_03]: So yes, and one of the things that we like to do here at the top of the month speaking Patreon is Pay tribute to some of our fine patreon supporters. 01:24.997 --> 01:27.120 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, boy anybody at the five dollar and up level. 01:27.140 --> 01:30.866 [SPEAKER_03]: We say a little thank you We read their name off here in the podcast. 01:31.187 --> 01:34.712 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll say a little bit more about the patreon afterwards, but why don't we read through that list? 01:34.732 --> 01:36.455 [SPEAKER_03]: I was thinking to shake things up for the new year. 01:36.575 --> 01:37.757 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll go first 01:37.737 --> 01:43.347 [SPEAKER_04]: P really can go second great in 26 no mistakes in pronunciation. 01:43.387 --> 01:44.028 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's do this. 01:44.248 --> 01:54.666 [SPEAKER_03]: Here we go kick it off with oideslarsin Aaron C. 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07:25.683 --> 07:30.435 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, first of all, just real quick was one of those names provocative ambulance. 07:30.455 --> 07:31.377 [SPEAKER_01]: That's correct. 07:31.397 --> 07:31.959 [SPEAKER_01]: That's correct. 07:31.999 --> 07:33.182 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're familiar catch. 07:33.202 --> 07:35.648 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just a little bit like it. 07:35.788 --> 07:36.691 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a it's brilliant. 07:36.711 --> 07:39.658 [SPEAKER_01]: It just it like it seems like one of those, you know, like, um, 07:39.807 --> 07:42.834 [SPEAKER_01]: Mouth exercises that like news readers, oh yeah. 07:42.854 --> 07:44.698 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah. 07:44.738 --> 07:46.222 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah. 07:46.242 --> 07:48.828 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, amazing name, whoever you are, fantastic. 07:49.068 --> 07:51.915 [SPEAKER_04]: And beware if you get picked up by the provocative. 07:51.935 --> 07:53.539 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because that's that doesn't work out. 07:53.559 --> 07:54.220 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 07:54.260 --> 07:55.182 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fabulous. 07:55.222 --> 07:56.365 [SPEAKER_01]: That's incredible. 07:56.345 --> 07:59.270 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no. 07:59.290 --> 08:01.394 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in sure, I mean, I've kind of said it elsewhere. 08:01.414 --> 08:12.475 [SPEAKER_01]: I think one of the reasons why I like him so much is because he's kind of my dad, all of our genuinely, well, I just easy like that personality, you sort of map it on one for one. 08:12.836 --> 08:16.783 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's a strange thing, you know, I mean, because 08:16.763 --> 08:26.985 [SPEAKER_01]: Ever since I announced the book, I've been sort of fortunate enough to have been sort of privy to a lot of other people's kind of experiences of the character and they've been kind of sharing their kind of origin stories. 08:27.566 --> 08:37.287 [SPEAKER_01]: And it always seems to go the same way, which is when you first, if you get into X-Men when you're a kid, you think Cyclops is the coolest one, then you get a little bit older. 08:37.267 --> 08:39.071 [SPEAKER_01]: and you think Wolverine's the coolest one. 08:39.131 --> 08:48.531 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, you become, you know, you become an adult, you start paying taxes, and you start having responsibilities, and then you think Cyclops is the cool one again. 08:50.796 --> 08:52.259 [SPEAKER_04]: The life cycle of an X-Men thing. 08:52.279 --> 08:54.043 [SPEAKER_01]: The life cycle of an X-Men. 08:54.428 --> 09:01.676 [SPEAKER_03]: I do want to mention on the cyclops is cool bed before we get to deep into the interview every week on the show. 09:01.816 --> 09:21.077 [SPEAKER_03]: We have a professional chef down in New Orleans named Brett McRis, a place called Shift down there that's in a brewery called Libreux Carrey that is awesome and he either curates across the cocktail for us and this week he bade that optic bastard, oh my god, I don't 09:21.057 --> 09:22.179 [SPEAKER_03]: based on cyclops. 09:22.199 --> 09:33.454 [SPEAKER_03]: It's got a rye whiskey, pomegranate juice, lemon juice, cinnamon, smoked syrup, pachows, bitters, I definitely miss pronounce that, and lemon peel. 09:34.716 --> 09:41.084 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, definitely is going to give you a little optic blast of a liquor and a little spiciness of sounds great. 09:41.665 --> 09:42.306 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 09:42.640 --> 10:04.446 [SPEAKER_03]: yet got that place yes very excited about this one this one is awesome so there you go there's a cyclops cocktail um if they would drink no he wouldn't uh well let's talk about this series so as we said it's kicking off in February and this is under the shadows of tomorrow 10:04.426 --> 10:15.765 [SPEAKER_03]: label I guess is maybe a way we can call it like it's not an event so much as sort of a label that goes on the top and sort of a mission statement I guess for the X-Men line. 10:16.125 --> 10:20.493 [SPEAKER_03]: How does the Cyclops title fit into this? 10:21.033 --> 10:25.000 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean the short answer is um 10:25.672 --> 10:28.117 [SPEAKER_01]: that it's kind of yeah. 10:29.100 --> 10:37.177 [SPEAKER_01]: So basically postage of revelation I think the idea was that it was going to be you know the age of revelation was going to kind of put a bit of a cap on the sort of from the ashes era. 10:37.739 --> 10:42.870 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is really kind of where I guess 10:42.850 --> 10:50.380 [SPEAKER_01]: Now that the sort of post-curricular era has been kind of tied up, things start really kind of kicking up an arch. 10:50.400 --> 10:51.842 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the idea behind it. 10:52.483 --> 11:04.780 [SPEAKER_01]: In terms of the book that I'm doing, it's a bit of an outlier, but I think it's a good outlier in the sense that it's sort of designed to be quite self-contained. 11:05.220 --> 11:10.748 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the things that I asked for when I pitched it was, you know, I said, 11:10.728 --> 11:14.093 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, in my head, I mean, as an aspiration, more than anything, right? 11:14.153 --> 11:17.637 [SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking, I wanted it to be an evergreen, right? 11:17.818 --> 11:30.255 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, again, I'm not letting any claims to greatness or anything, but, you know, I would ideally like this to be something like weapon X or the original Wolverine Mini, or, you know, Magneto Testament, right? 11:30.275 --> 11:38.406 [SPEAKER_01]: But you can pick up off the shelf in 10 years and it will still, it will still, I mean, crucially it'll still be super good, good. 11:38.386 --> 11:46.062 [SPEAKER_01]: but it'll also be entirely readable without necessarily having to sort of refer outside of itself too much. 11:46.343 --> 11:47.906 [SPEAKER_01]: It's still part of the current continuity. 11:47.987 --> 11:49.049 [SPEAKER_01]: There are allusions. 11:49.109 --> 11:55.703 [SPEAKER_01]: You will see people who are sort of present at this point, but it's very much designed to be its own thing. 11:57.134 --> 12:04.525 [SPEAKER_04]: And is it, so this feels like age revelation Scott Summers was, it was hard to, he's sort of a main character. 12:04.545 --> 12:20.408 [SPEAKER_04]: And a revelation was sort of the main character, but he was a big player, and he's coming back in the recent continuity spoiler for sort of where he lands, and he's a little bit a man on the outside, and now he's fully outside in your book. 12:20.428 --> 12:23.513 [SPEAKER_04]: Is there like a taking back of Cyclops happening here? 12:25.450 --> 12:34.242 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't wrinkler me a little bit, I mean, he certainly outdoors, you know, he's getting a lot of pressure. 12:36.485 --> 12:49.602 [SPEAKER_01]: But, um, I mean, in terms of taking back, um, I mean, I don't know if I'm sort of, I don't know from answering the question necessarily, but certainly my aim with this was to produce 12:49.582 --> 12:52.766 [SPEAKER_01]: like a real kind of deep character study, right? 12:54.028 --> 12:55.770 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, I've sort of said this elsewhere. 12:55.810 --> 13:05.043 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not for one second laying claim to it being the definitive sort of Cyclops character study, but it's like my definitive Cyclops character studies. 13:05.724 --> 13:16.298 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I think, you know, one of the things that I kind of picked up on from these sort of real kind of like hard canonical stories is 13:16.413 --> 13:20.920 [SPEAKER_01]: when you take away the thing that makes someone who they are, it reveals character. 13:21.441 --> 13:27.872 [SPEAKER_01]: So the big thing with this story, right, is that, you know, in issue one, no, I mean, it's not really a big spoiler. 13:27.932 --> 13:32.018 [SPEAKER_01]: In issue one, he loses his visor and he doesn't have it for the rest of the story. 13:32.680 --> 13:33.120 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 13:33.481 --> 13:36.666 [SPEAKER_01]: We're wondering around blindfold in the wilderness. 13:36.646 --> 13:49.508 [SPEAKER_01]: And the sort of working hypothesis that I went into this with right on a character level was, and I think there's, you know, I did a bit of reading around quite a bit of reading around that I think there's enough to justify this. 13:50.551 --> 13:58.445 [SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, you go right back to like giant size X-Men one, you know, the friction that he had with Wolverine right from the beginning. 13:59.748 --> 14:10.527 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, you know, I'm like a second generation, you know, many, many, many people are, you know, a second generation comic book fan, you know, my dad always told me, oh, you know, it's because they're very different. 14:11.629 --> 14:14.314 [SPEAKER_01]: And it hit me, no. 14:14.969 --> 14:26.885 [SPEAKER_01]: It's because they're similar, you know, Scott, basically his visor, I've likened it to like a control rod and a nuclear reactor. 14:27.566 --> 14:30.390 [SPEAKER_01]: If you remove the visor, a meltdown begins. 14:31.412 --> 14:38.081 [SPEAKER_01]: And you see that kind of character meltdown, that sort of, you know, a revelation of like a wildness within as the story progresses. 14:39.062 --> 14:42.647 [SPEAKER_01]: And you start seeing his behavior become less and less controlled. 14:42.762 --> 15:01.395 [SPEAKER_01]: And I suppose that was where, I mean, again, I haven't done my homework properly, but there's a beautiful, I don't know, I can't remember where there was any sort of Miller, but you know, someone's figure about, you know, it was a character moment between Frank Castle and Captain America and, you know, someone was said a bit of the pair of them, you know, 15:01.831 --> 15:06.618 [SPEAKER_01]: same guy, same guy, different wars, right? 15:06.638 --> 15:22.860 [SPEAKER_01]: And the whole kind of cyclops Wolverine diet where I landed with that was, you know, basically, I mean, same guy, different 15:22.840 --> 15:32.943 [SPEAKER_01]: Wolverine when he loses control, you know, there's there's an impressive trail of bodies, you know, when Cyclops loses control, you can say goodbye to a city, so he simply can't. 15:33.404 --> 15:40.140 [SPEAKER_01]: So he has to be overcontrolled all the time, and, you know, this story is, you know, what happens when he can't do that anymore. 15:40.812 --> 15:59.530 [SPEAKER_03]: I believe the villains, at least in the first issue, have not the entire series, are the rivers who I love from the Australia and our back era in particular, what makes them the right villains for this series, what makes them the right foils for Scott Summers. 16:00.539 --> 16:18.109 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, it was when I was casting around for villains I went right back to source because I'm and I don't think I'm giving too much away here if I say that, you know, this was directly inspired this whole series was directly inspired by 16:18.089 --> 16:22.377 [SPEAKER_01]: And I forgive me, I know I'm being a bad fan, but I can't give you this specific issue. 16:22.897 --> 16:25.903 [SPEAKER_01]: But Wolf and Winter, the Claremont Barry wins a smith. 16:26.464 --> 16:26.604 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh wow. 16:26.624 --> 16:31.753 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, like, almost the entire series really is a tribute to that, right? 16:31.773 --> 16:39.046 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was why I went with the Revers really, it was just OK. Well, I want to do a very, you know, I'm going to wear my influences on my sleeve, and it's a very conscious call back to that. 16:39.667 --> 16:42.612 [SPEAKER_01]: But I would say, 16:42.828 --> 16:45.832 [SPEAKER_01]: These are, apart from Donald Pearce, these are on new rivers. 16:46.092 --> 16:50.137 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of, you know, you put up a page just then, they're very much kind of back to formula. 16:50.157 --> 16:59.788 [SPEAKER_01]: So they're not kind of, they're not like clean nano tech, you know, nano tech infuse rivers, you know, they're not kind of body shop rivers. 16:59.888 --> 17:06.096 [SPEAKER_01]: These are people who Donald Pearce has cut up with a bone sore and welded stuff too. 17:06.737 --> 17:11.282 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're very, very unpleasant indeed and they're very, even they're very misguided. 17:11.617 --> 17:15.943 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, I re-revers, your home improvement style reverse. 17:15.963 --> 17:28.701 [SPEAKER_01]: 100% it's like it's very much kind of like back to kind of brass tax, but they're all, you know, these are all kind of fanatics who are kind of basically willing to get, you know, cybernetics implanted into them without anaesthetic. 17:28.741 --> 17:30.604 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're really, really unpleasant. 17:31.512 --> 17:33.815 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, that's a great explanation. 17:33.875 --> 17:37.641 [SPEAKER_04]: The revers are also very, um, optically blastable. 17:37.961 --> 17:39.623 [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like they're the villains. 17:39.643 --> 17:43.609 [SPEAKER_04]: Like they are highly reccable villains from a Cyclops viewpoint. 17:43.629 --> 17:43.949 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 17:44.029 --> 17:45.572 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I suppose it's that thing, isn't it? 17:45.592 --> 17:49.737 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you don't sort of track, you know, you know, you don't necessarily sort of track them as human. 17:49.757 --> 17:53.723 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, sidebar, I took my kid to see like the new Predator movie. 17:54.057 --> 17:59.565 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was such a kind of strange experience because I kind of go in the whole time like how why is this a PG 13? 17:59.685 --> 18:08.819 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, like why is a predator movie a PG 13 doesn't make any sense and then it's just like oh, it's Android's being eviscerated So it's still loads of like there's still loads of like gore everywhere. 18:08.859 --> 18:09.520 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just white. 18:09.900 --> 18:20.115 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's Yeah, you know the old trick that they used to do like black blood like in the E to yeah, you know dark in the blood a little bit No, no stress that's how the brain works 18:20.095 --> 18:41.530 [SPEAKER_03]: you mentioned Wolverine earlier and I think I mean this is true of every character but Cyclops is very much a character I think is defined by his relationship with other characters like opposing Wolverine with the many red-headed women in his life that's her thing so it sounds like you're taking him away from that here 18:41.510 --> 18:51.638 [SPEAKER_03]: and maybe this is the point of the series, but what does that leave you with as a writer, potentially, to work with if none of those other foils are there for him? 18:52.478 --> 19:02.531 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I would say not hopefully I'm probably saying quite pretentious, I don't mean to, but that's almost kind of the point of the book, who is this person. 19:02.871 --> 19:12.303 [SPEAKER_01]: And actually someone pointed this out earlier on, it was something that I hadn't even considered, but you kind of go, you know, it sort of hit me like a sort of ball of lightning. 19:12.744 --> 19:21.675 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, oh yeah, you know, if you noticed that so many, the way he's drawn so many times, right, you will see other characters reflected in his visor. 19:22.448 --> 19:31.321 [SPEAKER_01]: So, to a certain extent, he is a sort of reflective surface for a lot of other characters, more like a sort of organizing principle, right? 19:32.283 --> 19:37.210 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, I mean, this series is very much kind of about taking that away. 19:37.531 --> 19:40.315 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a funny thing, right? 19:40.695 --> 19:43.900 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I know he's a very kind of divisive character. 19:44.487 --> 19:49.153 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was, sorry, it's a very long window, but I'll try and keep it right. 19:49.213 --> 19:55.361 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I was on the show, I was talking about all against all book I did with Casper Winger. 19:55.381 --> 20:02.871 [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the challenges with that book was really, we went in thinking, oh, we're going to do really alien aliens. 20:03.071 --> 20:06.556 [SPEAKER_01]: We love carpenter and stuff, properly alien aliens. 20:07.317 --> 20:10.461 [SPEAKER_01]: And the problem was we had aliens as protagonists. 20:10.441 --> 20:16.568 [SPEAKER_01]: and humans are hard-wired to empathize with things that looked like us, right? 20:16.629 --> 20:20.293 [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the, you know, it's why the Navi are basically people, right? 20:20.313 --> 20:26.541 [SPEAKER_01]: It's because it's very difficult to sit with aliens for three hours that kind of don't look mostly like you. 20:27.862 --> 20:31.046 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, we had to kind of humanize those aliens in the end. 20:31.066 --> 20:34.170 [SPEAKER_01]: There was just no choice because the empathy narrows too great. 20:35.062 --> 20:43.877 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think one of the issues that you run up against with Scott Somers the whole time, and it's really elemental, but but blindly obvious what you think about it is, you can't see his eyes. 20:44.658 --> 20:45.860 [SPEAKER_01]: He's inscrutable, right? 20:45.940 --> 20:46.722 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you can't. 20:47.022 --> 20:50.568 [SPEAKER_01]: It's difficult to empathize with someone if you can't read their emotions. 20:50.949 --> 20:54.775 [SPEAKER_01]: And it takes away so many of your kind of weapons as a dramatist. 20:54.907 --> 21:15.272 [SPEAKER_01]: But then I remember talking to a bunch of writers, you know, particularly kind of, you know, to other ex-writers and kind of, you know, Krakowani or writers, and they go, and they also had the same thing to me, which is, it's a gift because it allows you to make him much more of a cipher than any other character is, because everybody sees themselves in him. 21:15.312 --> 21:17.455 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a proxy character, right? 21:17.975 --> 21:32.643 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, one of the sort of decisions that I made early on, and I think it was the right one, but I'm, you know, again, the proof of being in the Williams, I thought, okay, well, you know, the easy thing to do here would be to give him internal narration. 21:32.744 --> 21:34.046 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's all this stuff's happening. 21:34.547 --> 21:40.759 [SPEAKER_01]: It is in this wilderness environment, you know, your constantly in his head, so it's not too alienating. 21:41.330 --> 21:50.921 [SPEAKER_01]: But that was, again, because a difficult asshole, I thought, no, look at that away. 21:51.561 --> 22:01.453 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you are following him and you are sort of seeing his motivations to a large extent through action. 22:01.473 --> 22:10.763 [SPEAKER_01]: The one concession I did make was I have given him a foil, which is that basically, again, inspired by Wolf and Winter, you know, he does basically have this kid, 22:10.743 --> 22:16.551 [SPEAKER_01]: that is with him, you know, so it's like a lone wolf and cub kind of, um, kind of relationship. 22:16.911 --> 22:19.755 [SPEAKER_01]: So he is basically helping this kid kind of across the world and us. 22:20.036 --> 22:23.000 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's the only access you have to his kind of inner world. 22:23.801 --> 22:35.637 [SPEAKER_01]: And the whole time he's just trying to be guarded and he is kind of defined by, as much by what he isn't saying as what he does say, like the whole time. 22:36.376 --> 22:52.613 [SPEAKER_04]: It's funny to hear you talk about him that way because he is someone who like you can't see his eyes You don't know what he's feeling when you look at him But I feel like he's always emoting so intensely, especially in the last like 10 years in comics He's always like at peak 22:52.593 --> 22:56.621 [SPEAKER_04]: level of being like this is a nightmare or like we got to do this. 22:57.683 --> 23:11.669 [SPEAKER_04]: And you know I feel like maybe I feel like this book is going to be some intense catharsis for him And maybe he will be able to find chart a new path and let be less stressed. 23:11.829 --> 23:13.352 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm worried about his 23:13.568 --> 23:16.213 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not giving anything away. 23:16.254 --> 23:25.753 [SPEAKER_01]: This is purely, it's not a spoiler, but I will give you a line of dialogue from the book that I think kind of tells you what you need to know. 23:26.154 --> 23:31.104 [SPEAKER_01]: At one point in the book someone says to him, you enjoyed that, didn't you? 23:31.285 --> 23:33.349 [SPEAKER_01]: It's okay, it'll be our secret. 23:34.291 --> 23:42.263 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I just got a say is someone who hates cyclops. 23:43.405 --> 23:49.995 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm very excited to read your take on him because this is really, you know, a ton page. 23:50.035 --> 23:53.581 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, that's great. 23:54.001 --> 23:57.066 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you can assume get the crap kicked out of him. 23:57.466 --> 23:58.148 [SPEAKER_02]: That's great news. 23:58.168 --> 24:01.092 [SPEAKER_02]: But it is something that I don't consider a lot. 24:01.325 --> 24:17.173 [SPEAKER_02]: About Cyclops, just to hear you talk about it gets me very excited is I don't think about how much he has to hold back and how controlled he has to be I just thought he was a controlling asshole who's always trying to you know take the fun out of any situation and be like 24:17.153 --> 24:23.544 [SPEAKER_02]: Stop but sit around we got work to do you know, so this is fun to hear you talk about who does that sound like on this podcast? 24:23.564 --> 24:23.825 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. 24:23.845 --> 24:24.285 [SPEAKER_04]: That's funny. 24:24.325 --> 24:24.606 [SPEAKER_04]: Pete. 24:24.866 --> 24:31.618 [SPEAKER_04]: It's very I think you at you level of rain, but you maybe are a Cyclops now 24:32.442 --> 24:46.320 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean, you say that, I mean, I, I, I had a, um, jab McKay helped me out with this aton, you know, how cool was, but really, really open, you know, let me kind of, you know, let me use all of his toys, um, let me give him a queen jet, all this stuff. 24:47.101 --> 24:56.172 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, one of the things he said to me up front, just going in was, you know, the thing to remember is, he is mutant kinds, David. 24:56.945 --> 25:15.763 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like he's the rebel king and that's the weight of responsibility that he carries all the time and you know basically two of his fathers have kind of given that to him basically you know Manitos given that to him Xavier's given that to him 25:15.743 --> 25:26.135 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's constantly sort of under this, basically the responsibility for holding a species or a subclad of humanity is constantly on his mind. 25:26.816 --> 25:34.145 [SPEAKER_01]: And everyone else gets to kind of dance and kind of kick back and have a bit of fun, but he has this with him the whole time. 25:34.605 --> 25:38.730 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's why I said initially, I kind of 25:38.710 --> 25:47.613 [SPEAKER_01]: I weirdly saw my own father in him, you know, because I have one of those dads that everyone comes to with their problems and he just kind of picks up a screwdriver and gets on with it. 25:48.315 --> 25:55.453 [SPEAKER_01]: And like so, but if you kind of blow with that up and like dial that up to 11, it kind of really reminds me of at least who I think Scott Simon says. 25:55.433 --> 25:58.140 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Andrew Dad has optic blasts, I believe. 25:58.160 --> 26:05.861 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I mean, yeah, I mean like when I used to like when I used to mess up the death stare. 26:05.982 --> 26:11.637 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean 26:11.802 --> 26:15.148 [SPEAKER_03]: We have a couple of questions here in the comments over on YouTube. 26:15.208 --> 26:19.515 [SPEAKER_03]: Straight bullet says, have you seen the new Avengers trailer for anybody? 26:19.555 --> 26:20.316 [SPEAKER_03]: Hasn't seen it. 26:20.938 --> 26:26.908 [SPEAKER_03]: I guess spoiler for an advertisement, but the one that came out today was the X-Men or going to be back at Avengers. 26:26.928 --> 26:29.272 [SPEAKER_03]: Tuesday, it does end with Cyclops. 26:29.652 --> 26:34.400 [SPEAKER_03]: To exactly what we're talking about, screaming at the air and shooting is big all the optic blast. 26:34.440 --> 26:36.544 [SPEAKER_03]: Have you checked that out in any thoughts? 26:37.165 --> 26:51.067 [SPEAKER_01]: I have, and I mean, I did rather kind of, I did sort of put up on Twitter, something on the, or something like all the lines of, you know, it was very nice of Disney marketing to go to all this effort. 26:51.087 --> 26:52.128 [SPEAKER_01]: I really helped you out. 26:52.870 --> 26:55.033 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much for that, Disney. 26:55.093 --> 27:04.708 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I have, and I could lie and say that, you know, I didn't sort of yelp with Glee, but yeah. 27:04.688 --> 27:05.830 [SPEAKER_01]: Amazing. 27:05.950 --> 27:08.714 [SPEAKER_01]: But we're eating well, I think, in 2026. 27:10.897 --> 27:14.862 [SPEAKER_03]: From one Alex to another, Alex, we've got a question here about a third Alex. 27:14.962 --> 27:18.527 [SPEAKER_03]: Will there be any new developments for his brother, Alex? 27:21.631 --> 27:24.035 [SPEAKER_01]: They're on development. 27:24.055 --> 27:25.617 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be as cagey as I can. 27:25.850 --> 27:36.090 [SPEAKER_01]: There are developments that affect Alex, Alex is in the book, but don't expect him to get sent to stage, but Alex is in the book, yes. 27:36.752 --> 27:39.778 [SPEAKER_03]: So we should expect a fifth summer's brother is what you're saying. 27:39.798 --> 27:40.800 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we get more bros. 27:41.141 --> 27:42.183 [SPEAKER_03]: They're dropping out of it. 27:42.203 --> 27:42.603 [SPEAKER_01]: Unlimited. 27:42.724 --> 27:44.888 [SPEAKER_03]: And we lose from nonstop bros. 27:45.070 --> 27:49.676 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, if he's got any new kids, you know what I mean? 27:49.696 --> 27:51.058 [SPEAKER_01]: Like his question was, where are new redheads? 27:51.078 --> 27:54.303 [SPEAKER_01]: There's all sorts of, well, I've got another one, right, cool, another Christmas present, cool. 27:56.185 --> 28:04.777 [SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to take a little set back, you said that this depends very heavily on action, which means you're probably going to have to depend pretty heavily on Rosha and Tonyo. 28:05.638 --> 28:07.641 [SPEAKER_03]: What is it like working with him as an artist? 28:07.681 --> 28:09.103 [SPEAKER_03]: What does he bring to the project? 28:10.113 --> 28:14.180 [SPEAKER_01]: the short answer to that is kind of everything really. 28:15.523 --> 28:26.603 [SPEAKER_01]: I worked with Rose before on Carnage and I already knew that he had it because, you know, I mean, I pitched this as a survival horror. 28:27.157 --> 28:33.504 [SPEAKER_01]: and I'd work with Rose on carnage and he handled the horror elements of that beautifully. 28:34.825 --> 28:46.137 [SPEAKER_01]: So the moment, I mean, my editor Darren Chan just said, oh, you know, what do you think of, you know, he was running through a list of artists and the first name was Rose Antonio, but it was almost just basically just, yeah, stop there. 28:46.437 --> 28:46.938 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're good. 28:47.338 --> 28:48.980 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's all we need. 28:50.021 --> 28:51.983 [SPEAKER_01]: He, 28:54.173 --> 29:06.263 [SPEAKER_01]: I know there are preview pages up, but I'm really bummed that I can't show more, just because, I mean, I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it here and I firmly believe this. 29:06.744 --> 29:16.172 [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever you come out of this series thinking of me or my work, I guarantee you, Rose will be one of your favorite ex-men artists at the end of this. 29:16.472 --> 29:23.758 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, absolutely crushed it and just, you know, exceeded. 29:23.738 --> 29:36.060 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a beautiful, I forget who kind of someone talked about, you know, I write at artists relationships in terms of like third mind stuff, you know, I mean, I remember like the second book I did for Boom. 29:36.175 --> 29:47.991 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't think I ever got to the level of being like a haughty idiot, but like I kind of, I've finished that book thinking like, man, I'm, I think I'm getting pretty good, you know? 29:48.011 --> 29:57.724 [SPEAKER_01]: I know what's on another couple of projects where I didn't have as good a relationship with the artist, and what, oh no, no, no, I'm literally only ever a good person I'm working with. 29:58.204 --> 30:00.868 [SPEAKER_01]: This is not my abilities whatsoever. 30:02.470 --> 30:06.115 [SPEAKER_01]: But with this, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, 30:06.095 --> 30:08.659 [SPEAKER_01]: Just I don't know there's just an alchemy to it. 30:08.899 --> 30:35.798 [SPEAKER_01]: You know the script something happens with the script where it's just It gives me much more to do on the dialogue past because you know, I write something I get it back and then it inspires me all over again to just you know I know actually I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of kick this up a notch to make it almost kind of make it worthy And I know that sounds like total hyperbole, but I promise you when you see the pages you'll get it He's just crushed it man 30:36.098 --> 30:38.541 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's the benefit of the method that I feel like. 30:38.721 --> 30:39.842 [SPEAKER_04]: That's why it pops off. 30:39.942 --> 30:44.687 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you get that second pass to really be like, oh wait, this is it. 30:45.348 --> 30:46.689 [SPEAKER_04]: This is what's awesome right here. 30:47.390 --> 30:48.191 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely. 30:48.331 --> 30:57.420 [SPEAKER_01]: It, you know, you kind of, as long as you stop iterating like once the letter gets to it, because yeah, otherwise people start making kind of like dolls of you. 30:57.440 --> 30:59.202 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sticking pins and stuff. 30:59.222 --> 31:00.023 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm gonna do that. 31:00.223 --> 31:03.186 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, once, while it's still fluid, yeah. 31:04.145 --> 31:06.367 [SPEAKER_03]: I did want to ask you, oh, go ahead. 31:06.387 --> 31:08.749 [SPEAKER_04]: So you go, you go, I'm going in the different directions. 31:08.769 --> 31:13.994 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm also going in a different direction because I do want to ask you about a couple of other different projects you've worked on. 31:14.114 --> 31:20.781 [SPEAKER_03]: You recently contributed to the Ultimate Universe two years in special, if I remember correctly. 31:20.821 --> 31:21.722 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 31:22.002 --> 31:29.629 [SPEAKER_03]: You've done a lot of stuff in the main Marvel Universe, but I think this was the first thing you did in the Ultimate Universe, what was different about that? 31:29.749 --> 31:32.852 [SPEAKER_03]: What was different about that project, plague, and that side? 31:32.832 --> 31:37.196 [SPEAKER_03]: of Marvel versus the regular side, is the wrong way to say it. 31:37.216 --> 31:37.596 [SPEAKER_01]: Regular. 31:38.637 --> 32:02.839 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, honestly, um, the kind of the blank check, um, if that makes sense, so, you know, um, Dennis Camp, um, very kindly brought me onto the project, you know, um, asked if asked if I could co-write it with him, you know, Marvel will cool with it. 32:03.241 --> 32:20.828 [SPEAKER_01]: and then we just had this kind of back and forth before we even sort of started putting pen to paper in terms of what like how would you, you know what which characters would you really like to kind of, if you could engineer them from the ground up, what would you do? 32:21.196 --> 32:32.989 [SPEAKER_01]: And we just started batting a fourth, like the just the kind of craziest kind of more it, most Morrisonian sort of reimaginings of these characters, of characters that we like that we could think of. 32:33.470 --> 32:34.513 [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, you know, 32:35.337 --> 33:00.940 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Modock was mental organism designed only for sorcery, so you may modock the sorceress preying instead of mad rocks just being an endlessly replicating human being who's kind of this microbial organism that once he'd replicated enough would basically form a discrete 33:00.920 --> 33:04.764 [SPEAKER_01]: going back to kind of going back to formula with everything. 33:05.184 --> 33:12.612 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, and just that, that sense that kind of anything goes really, just total freedom. 33:13.433 --> 33:25.085 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we were working with Will Moss and Michelle Moshese, a Marvel, who are very kind of, you know, they're always kind of encouraging you to just go bigger and go wilder. 33:25.505 --> 33:28.969 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I mean, to be honest, I mean, and you know, 33:28.949 --> 33:32.887 [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like a cliché, but the whole thing was just play. 33:33.429 --> 33:36.985 [SPEAKER_01]: It was just, you know, we were just in a sad and pit having time in our lives. 33:37.252 --> 33:45.160 [SPEAKER_01]: and then got paid for it, which is more of a reason. 33:45.221 --> 33:55.492 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was just one of those kind of like, you know, when you're 17 and you're staying up all night getting drunk, what would you, what would you do with the watch? 33:55.512 --> 34:00.036 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's just one of those, but then you've got to, yeah, you've got to put it into a comic. 34:00.097 --> 34:00.657 [SPEAKER_01]: It was wild. 34:00.737 --> 34:02.199 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot of fun. 34:02.219 --> 34:03.360 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of fun. 34:03.948 --> 34:29.475 [SPEAKER_04]: I was going to ask about Sentinels a book that I feel like popped off in a way that I don't know if you saw a coming but with such a in from the ashes was such a hit both amongst fans I feel like but also I think creators went to bat for that book in a big way, at least what I saw in social media, like how does it feel now looking back year to year and a half later on how that went and why? 34:29.575 --> 34:32.318 [SPEAKER_04]: Why did it pop off? 34:34.458 --> 34:44.631 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it got a lot of attention because people didn't know what it was going to be and I think initially and justifiably, right? 34:44.671 --> 34:47.575 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I think people were a little leery of it. 34:48.616 --> 34:54.964 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there was some concerns that it was going to basically, I guess, like, 34:57.458 --> 35:17.003 [SPEAKER_01]: fetishize the bad guys and you know because you know whichever way you slice it right it's it's it's a bunch of people going out and hunting mutants right which is not what we want and so I worked very very hard to kind of 35:21.151 --> 35:23.834 [SPEAKER_01]: put almost like a positioning statement in the first issue. 35:23.895 --> 35:27.900 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember like I did like a they let me do like an editorial basically I did a one page. 35:28.621 --> 35:50.449 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't like an apology or exactly but like a one at each kind of explanation of what I was doing just to kind of reach all people like look this is not like hey you know this is this is what you can expect from like an post-preco and era mutant suck lol you know it was never going to be that yeah like you know it 35:51.087 --> 36:03.481 [SPEAKER_01]: The project was kind of bought to me in the sense that okay, you know, what if you had a group of, you know, a group of kind of humanoid sense and also a kind of dispatch to bring prison, mutant prisoners to Grey Malcolm prison. 36:03.541 --> 36:18.057 [SPEAKER_01]: So you'll be working with Gale, you know, on that level and Gale was extraordinarily generous, you know, she just like, okay, well, you have that character and I'll kind of, you know, I'll for do some foreshadowing and in on Kenny over here and so generous. 36:18.442 --> 36:26.931 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, actually, a Galen David let us use the Sentinel dogs before they had before they used them in uncanny, which was interesting. 36:26.951 --> 36:27.852 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's interesting. 36:28.052 --> 36:34.038 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just so nice, though, right, sort of prototypes and everything we got to do a bit of foreshadowing there. 36:34.278 --> 36:36.480 [SPEAKER_01]: She didn't need to, they didn't need to do, sorry. 36:38.322 --> 36:44.128 [SPEAKER_01]: But what struck me and what interested me about it was, because 36:45.239 --> 37:05.142 [SPEAKER_01]: Whenever you see sort of anti-mutant, whenever you see an anti-mutant bigger trooper forward, I'm not saying I'm the first person who's done it by the way, but in terms of the sort of the sort of really kind of high profile canonical tags, God loves man kills, you know, again, the outback saga, you know, whenever you see sort of anti-mutant, bigotry, it's always virulent, right? 37:05.662 --> 37:09.967 [SPEAKER_01]: It's always kind of visceral, and it's, you know, these are people who really despise mutants. 37:09.987 --> 37:13.491 [SPEAKER_01]: And what I thought you hadn't seen was, 37:14.635 --> 37:18.038 [SPEAKER_01]: almost on the level of like the sort of, you know, like the banality of evil. 37:18.058 --> 37:18.319 [SPEAKER_01]: Right? 37:19.380 --> 37:38.698 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, because underneath all of those kind of fanatical people in the real world, you have all these people who carry out acts of institutional, bigotry, institutional hate, but they themselves, they're just doing a job. 37:39.959 --> 37:41.841 [SPEAKER_01]: And which is scary to me. 37:42.344 --> 37:47.890 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they don't necessarily kind of hate these people, they're just drawing it, you know, they're just drawing it, drawing it, drawing a paycheck. 37:48.831 --> 37:55.439 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is how the majority of true, truly atrocious act happened, right? 37:55.519 --> 38:00.725 [SPEAKER_01]: It's basically just people, people doing the job punching out, going home and sleeping like babies. 38:01.366 --> 38:04.149 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of what I wanted to kind of address with sentinels. 38:04.169 --> 38:11.878 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, these people don't, you know, I even wrote in a dinosaur scene where you got one of the characters and like his kid is wearing like a dazzle t-shirt. 38:12.280 --> 38:14.652 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, yeah, like, you know, he's a fan. 38:15.658 --> 38:17.447 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, this is his job. 38:18.472 --> 38:19.759 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and 38:21.359 --> 38:44.970 [SPEAKER_01]: are looking back, what I do it differently now, maybe, but I'm immensely proud of it, and I still think, you know, or I hope that I was, I guess, I hope, you know, making an important point in a popular format, if that makes sense. 38:44.950 --> 39:12.645 [SPEAKER_04]: Right to boiled on your answer you made it a deeply upsetting you made it last hit people right in the heart a little Heart and they thought they were going look the last thing I want people to come away from my books Wait, there's a sense of escape is more fun But speaking personally it that's so that it did have a little bit more of that surprise gut punch where it's like hey, this is a little more real than you're used to 39:13.250 --> 39:28.989 [SPEAKER_04]: especially in from the ashes where I was like okay we're getting back to basics and it was like not here or not we're actually pushing this in a whole another direction which that's what really got me with it was like such a refreshing idea in the of a scent what a centennial could be. 39:29.549 --> 39:37.519 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I appreciate I genuinely I mean thanks Justin I mean I mean I think one of the things though that a lot that some fans will worry about was that um 39:38.174 --> 39:44.421 [SPEAKER_01]: they were worried that the kind of post-cracoin era was going to walk some of the complexity back. 39:44.553 --> 40:08.485 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the sort of highest level as well, you know, I think there was a desire to sort of reassure readers that like none of the complexities going away, like don't worry, this is the kind of the sort of PTSD era, which with shadows of tomorrow, we're now we're now passed, right? 40:09.629 --> 40:35.940 [SPEAKER_03]: you have a couple of other projects working on you are doing kese jones right over at idw uh this unlike cyclops is a favorite of pizza uh what is it that draws you to kese jones is it the sports equipment or is there some hey hey don't put shade on our uh lovely guest sports is giving us his time please don't rock he hates kese jones elis 40:35.920 --> 40:38.323 [SPEAKER_02]: Alex, I'm sorry, that you have to endure this. 40:38.483 --> 40:40.745 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, a positive case. 40:40.946 --> 40:42.247 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, other Alex, sorry. 40:42.287 --> 40:47.733 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not talking to you would not there's no need to apologize to you. 40:47.753 --> 40:48.634 [SPEAKER_02]: No problem. 40:48.875 --> 40:49.095 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks. 40:49.696 --> 40:56.383 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I'm very excited for this project and let's let's ask it in a nicer way. 40:56.704 --> 40:58.846 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, what is your gonna be your take on Casey Jones? 40:58.866 --> 41:02.350 [SPEAKER_02]: How are you gonna bring this Casey Jones to life of you will? 41:03.022 --> 41:07.795 [SPEAKER_01]: What I thought what I do first is kind of take out a lot of the humor, a lot of the fun. 41:09.620 --> 41:09.720 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 41:09.740 --> 41:12.548 [SPEAKER_01]: We really get into the guts of like the banality of Eva. 41:13.671 --> 41:14.172 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 41:14.533 --> 41:18.043 [SPEAKER_01]: No, come on. 41:18.023 --> 41:23.917 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I gave myself permission to just kind of do like balls to the wall. 41:24.379 --> 41:25.161 [SPEAKER_01]: Very good. 41:25.181 --> 41:27.486 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was a fun, loving every second of it. 41:28.810 --> 41:31.777 [SPEAKER_01]: It's honestly the most fun I've had in a long time. 41:31.837 --> 41:35.526 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, they say like a change is better than a rest. 41:35.978 --> 41:40.587 [SPEAKER_01]: writing Casey is genuinely how I relax. 41:40.887 --> 41:55.135 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's a steamvent, it's a joy to write and I don't know, I mean, it also weirdly, you know, it gets to kind of scratching it like it like it. 41:55.115 --> 42:00.364 [SPEAKER_01]: I unabashedly adore NYC and the whole book for me as well. 42:00.384 --> 42:02.267 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like a love letter to New York. 42:02.708 --> 42:04.992 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it felt that way. 42:05.032 --> 42:06.955 [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate it. 42:07.095 --> 42:07.736 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure. 42:09.019 --> 42:11.082 [SPEAKER_01]: Like just again, just like, 42:12.327 --> 42:18.557 [SPEAKER_01]: just slotting in kind of, you know, like, progy places that I've been to with like, yeah, I was working staff. 42:18.617 --> 42:27.010 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, yeah, just just that and then, you know, and then you've got this, like, adorable dog, who's just kind of going around. 42:27.030 --> 42:32.378 [SPEAKER_01]: And also, like, I got to kind of correct a huge historical wrong by, you know, 42:32.543 --> 42:49.101 [SPEAKER_01]: there is a point in this p i'm sorry where he is gonna rely quite a lot on a cricket bat because that's gotta happen that's a good that's a better weapon than a lot of the ones he has in his little bag i mean yeah i mean the hope the host i can see code does take some punishment 42:49.081 --> 43:16.050 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, but yeah, and so what I've done with this book is I've kind of the sort of setup is that basically there's a new sort of like street mutagen derivative and there's a particularly kind of grizzly way that it's kind of extracted and so kind of Casey is kind of out on his own 43:16.030 --> 43:20.075 [SPEAKER_01]: and he's just, you know, he's still getting over having been shot by D.A. 43:20.115 --> 43:20.476 [SPEAKER_01]: Hale. 43:21.517 --> 43:28.587 [SPEAKER_01]: And he is, because the way I originally pitched it again, I mean, you know, this is, this is just where where I go. 43:28.707 --> 43:38.440 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, my original pitch was okay, so he's going to be, he's going to be really kind of leary of kind of, you know, jumping off, jumping from rooftop to rooftop and he's not going to want to get into scraps. 43:38.460 --> 43:40.623 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like a completely aware of his own mortality. 43:41.404 --> 43:43.827 [SPEAKER_01]: And then 43:43.807 --> 44:12.615 [SPEAKER_01]: basically like Dave Will goes from there and said it was like wouldn't it be more fun if he just went the other way and he was like yeah no no like he's just in total denial like he's in total denial he's like no I am invulnerable I'm throwing myself a rooftop's harder I'm gonna get into fight for it and not win and the moment the moment we went with that like we were off to the races like it 44:12.899 --> 44:22.552 [SPEAKER_04]: It really reads like he is a New York Batman or he's like, I'm not really detective, but I'm going to go hard and be mad about how much pain I'm in currently. 44:22.572 --> 44:28.541 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I'm going to like run into a lot of people's fists, like as well. 44:28.561 --> 44:29.302 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I can. 44:29.722 --> 44:30.504 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the job. 44:31.104 --> 44:31.966 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not actually. 44:32.286 --> 44:33.888 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, well, okay, that's the way I'm doing it. 44:33.908 --> 44:34.810 [SPEAKER_03]: That's how I get paid. 44:35.450 --> 44:36.332 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's true. 44:36.612 --> 44:38.755 [SPEAKER_04]: Not happening. 44:38.735 --> 44:40.717 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's a lot of stuff. 44:40.737 --> 45:00.540 [SPEAKER_03]: I think there's at least one other project you have which you have another cult of the lamb one shot that's coming up And I maybe I'm way off base here, but we've already talked about like X bed projects and T event T projects I have a feeling like cult of the lab is secretly the biggest thing that you do is that way off base 45:01.870 --> 45:10.426 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, obviously, you know, uh, they're all my special dialings and I love them equally, uh, good, of course. 45:10.446 --> 45:18.361 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just, it's just, one thing this does do for me, though, which is really strange as it makes me cool with my friends, kids. 45:19.704 --> 45:21.567 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it happened before. 45:22.154 --> 45:36.467 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I tell people, you know, my friends know what I do obviously, but this is when I started doing cold the lamb, that was the first time I had like 11 year olds coming up and going like can you sign my comic, can I go? 45:37.248 --> 45:37.528 [SPEAKER_01]: What? 45:38.188 --> 45:38.689 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 45:40.050 --> 45:47.056 [SPEAKER_04]: I will say if you search your name, which is what I just did, the cold of the lamb is the first five books right after the jump. 45:47.137 --> 45:48.598 [SPEAKER_04]: So you know what I'm saying? 45:48.678 --> 45:50.980 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that kick start. 45:51.652 --> 46:08.995 [SPEAKER_01]: bananas, you know, I mean, the amount of kind of pent up demand there was just and also like the fan base is just like they're so nice man, you know, yeah, they come up to you, they come up to you, it shows and they sit and like they talk to you for ages, but they're just so passionate about it. 46:10.657 --> 46:13.120 [SPEAKER_01]: But like that was another one where I kind of. 46:13.420 --> 46:24.453 [SPEAKER_01]: It took me a minute to lock into the assignment because like I'm not like a really a video game guide all right, and so, you know, hunter-core and so from only sat me down and said, you know, would you be interested in this thing? 46:24.473 --> 46:32.442 [SPEAKER_01]: And like I like purely by happenstance, I was reading about a bunch of stuff on sacrifice, right? 46:32.602 --> 46:35.025 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, little light, coffee table reading. 46:35.185 --> 46:36.166 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, cash. 46:36.326 --> 46:37.428 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 46:37.748 --> 46:41.132 [SPEAKER_02]: Like everybody does just read about sacrifices, you know? 46:41.517 --> 46:46.611 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, and it's like it just happened to like dock with my interest at the time. 46:46.812 --> 46:47.854 [SPEAKER_01]: So that okay, I'll do it. 46:48.737 --> 46:55.375 [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought they wanted something, so you know, I sat down to kind of right now and I wrote something really goofy. 46:55.962 --> 47:00.791 [SPEAKER_01]: and devolve the gang company came back to me and they said, look, this is okay, right? 47:00.871 --> 47:03.476 [SPEAKER_01]: But you don't need, like, just play it straight. 47:03.676 --> 47:07.303 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the visuals will do all the heavy lifting in terms of humor. 47:08.064 --> 47:13.414 [SPEAKER_01]: You just write it straight and like, I cannot tell you the extent to which I like. 47:14.356 --> 47:17.701 [SPEAKER_01]: almost audibly unclenched. 47:20.044 --> 47:22.328 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh god, I don't have to try to be funny. 47:22.848 --> 47:23.710 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, thank you. 47:24.511 --> 47:26.414 [SPEAKER_01]: They took the Ruby core cleansers off. 47:26.894 --> 47:28.016 [SPEAKER_04]: You got to just cut loose? 47:28.777 --> 47:28.877 [SPEAKER_01]: Nice. 47:28.897 --> 47:29.719 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly. 47:29.739 --> 47:41.055 [SPEAKER_01]: I get to write a really miserable story, like where someone else is doing all the heavy lifting in terms of the visuals, and it just magically turns out to be adorable, like at the end. 47:41.075 --> 47:41.216 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 47:41.296 --> 47:42.237 [SPEAKER_01]: Beautiful thing. 47:43.178 --> 47:50.530 [SPEAKER_03]: That's obviously a lot of stuff, like I said, is there anything else you have going on that you want to plug anything else people should be checking out? 47:50.550 --> 48:07.858 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just a recent thing, I did a one shot that I think maybe slipped under the red Which was a great one on the bad guys don't I mean one shot earlier on that? 48:07.938 --> 48:09.220 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, right? 48:09.200 --> 48:36.456 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I, yeah, I basically did a kind of Alistair Crowley magic cult set in 1920s London, but it was a dorm ammo cult and like I'm super proud of it And I wonder if maybe a couple people kind of slept on it, which is obviously fine, but just because I found like I did a Spider-Man Darkhold thing years ago Which like had this weird second life where like people like people were so appalled by it that they kept kind of 48:37.533 --> 48:42.581 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was kind of deeply proud of the fact that people were so appalled that I had this second life. 48:42.862 --> 48:44.404 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm kind of hoping this happens again. 48:44.505 --> 48:51.176 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, if you happen to see this dormitory one shot that I did, the brick on the bad guy's one, like I'm super proud of it. 48:51.797 --> 48:53.339 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's messed up. 48:53.359 --> 48:53.680 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fun. 48:54.842 --> 48:55.263 [SPEAKER_03]: Cool. 48:55.283 --> 49:00.351 [SPEAKER_03]: And just to loop back to Cyclops to wrap up here, as we mentioned, 49:00.719 --> 49:03.742 [SPEAKER_03]: People like Pete don't necessarily like Cyclops. 49:03.822 --> 49:15.173 [SPEAKER_03]: We have a lot of discussion, a lot of heated arguments, leading up to this interview in our picture, our discord about the character, as well as around the Avengers, Doomsday trailer, people loving it, people hate it again. 49:15.813 --> 49:18.836 [SPEAKER_03]: For the people, obviously, the people who love are gonna pick up the book. 49:18.876 --> 49:25.823 [SPEAKER_03]: And obviously, we've talked about a lot with the book, but for the people that are like, let's say, generously, are on the fence about Cyclops. 49:26.744 --> 49:29.967 [SPEAKER_03]: Why should they pick up Cyclops number one? 49:29.947 --> 49:31.750 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's proof that it is. 49:31.770 --> 49:48.175 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, um, you're going to see him brutalised in so many ways, I mean, I, I was, you know, just to reassure people, you know, I'm a firm believer in, I think it was Stephen King, right? 49:48.307 --> 50:13.757 [SPEAKER_01]: you know Stephen King sort of idea of story is that basically you you make someone care about a character and then you put him up a tree and you throw rocks at them you know that's basically you know that's that's his kind of conception of drama and I think I literally throw rocks at him so if he's not your guy you know this is definitely the book for you because you are going to see him really put through the grinder 50:14.345 --> 50:32.033 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, that said, um, by the time you, by the time he has sort of been through this grinder, I think might maybe, um, you will start to see him as I do, um, which is, again, you know, someone who, you know, 50:32.013 --> 50:42.227 [SPEAKER_01]: if he didn't have, if he didn't have a hydrogen bomb in his head, would be someone not entirely dissimilar to, you know, to say, Wolverine. 50:43.589 --> 50:52.941 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so if nothing else I think you might leave having a bit more sympathy for him, I think that that will be a good outcome for me. 50:54.018 --> 50:58.804 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, as a cyclops lover, I am very excited for the series, Alex. 50:59.285 --> 51:00.647 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much for coming on. 51:00.687 --> 51:01.428 [SPEAKER_03]: Congrats to them. 51:01.448 --> 51:03.370 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, really looking forward to it. 51:03.411 --> 51:03.991 [SPEAKER_01]: Great job. 51:04.011 --> 51:05.714 [SPEAKER_03]: Please love reading your stuff. 51:06.274 --> 51:07.316 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thanks for all your work. 51:08.177 --> 51:09.479 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much, Jensen. 51:09.539 --> 51:10.039 [SPEAKER_01]: Happy new year. 51:10.099 --> 51:12.423 [SPEAKER_01]: I really appreciate you having me on. 51:12.443 --> 51:13.364 [SPEAKER_03]: Happy new year, right back. 51:13.604 --> 51:14.305 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks, Alex. 51:15.652 --> 51:16.613 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, there we go. 51:16.633 --> 51:19.558 [SPEAKER_03]: Once again, a cyclops number one is coming out from Marvel. 51:19.999 --> 51:24.405 [SPEAKER_03]: On February 11th, you can order it from your local public shop. 51:24.465 --> 51:26.208 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, I am very excited for it. 51:26.589 --> 51:27.951 [SPEAKER_03]: I already was standing by two. 51:27.971 --> 51:28.732 [SPEAKER_03]: Cyclops is dead. 51:29.113 --> 51:30.314 [SPEAKER_03]: Cyclops is dead. 51:30.595 --> 51:31.076 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. 51:31.116 --> 51:31.877 [SPEAKER_03]: There we go. 51:31.897 --> 51:33.379 [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, did you say, I am two, Pete? 51:34.120 --> 51:35.943 [SPEAKER_02]: I am also excited for this. 51:36.484 --> 51:39.849 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. 51:39.869 --> 51:40.590 [SPEAKER_02]: He's yelling at us two. 51:40.610 --> 51:42.553 [SPEAKER_04]: He's being forced to stop him, but. 51:43.715 --> 51:46.779 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we ended the show. 51:46.799 --> 51:47.560 [SPEAKER_04]: 26. 51:48.040 --> 51:50.083 [SPEAKER_04]: Now we celebrate a job well done in 26. 51:50.223 --> 51:51.524 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 51:52.345 --> 52:02.137 [SPEAKER_03]: Now we're going to move on to our next section, which is my favorite section because you all make it up and it's your audience question and for audience questions all you got to do is drop a question in the comments and we'll get to it. 52:02.838 --> 52:05.321 [SPEAKER_03]: But what are you guys drinking tonight? 52:05.862 --> 52:06.723 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to do it in Justin. 52:06.743 --> 52:09.126 [SPEAKER_03]: You're doing a little dry January again, or are you? 52:10.948 --> 52:13.671 [SPEAKER_04]: How about this way? 52:13.651 --> 52:24.864 [SPEAKER_04]: Hot Jan, and the best way to say what is with the lab blue shouts to the Buffalo Bill's fuel fan fuel That is and Pete you drinking some Godzilla brew. 52:25.285 --> 52:25.805 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right. 52:26.526 --> 52:27.107 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right. 52:27.267 --> 52:30.491 [SPEAKER_04]: I am a little Godzilla is so 25 Pete. 52:31.452 --> 52:32.333 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I've got a bed. 52:33.475 --> 52:34.576 [SPEAKER_02]: It's got my name on the beer. 52:34.636 --> 52:36.418 [SPEAKER_02]: I got it by it 52:37.141 --> 52:56.411 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just wanted to quickly shout out, you know, we had some check going on in our Cyclops stock and, you know, Dick made our head a good point where he was like, hey Pete, you can hate Cyclops, but then, you know, you know, so I just wanted to, I thought Alex was like, could you finish the sentence? 52:56.431 --> 53:00.297 [SPEAKER_03]: You could hate Cyclops, but he was saying, but I could hate Casey Jones. 53:00.479 --> 53:01.822 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what he was saying. 53:02.143 --> 53:02.705 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay. 53:02.725 --> 53:03.647 [SPEAKER_03]: You didn't finish that. 53:03.968 --> 53:04.870 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I didn't. 53:04.890 --> 53:06.514 [SPEAKER_03]: You couldn't even say it out loud. 53:06.614 --> 53:08.058 [SPEAKER_02]: I could, I definitely couldn't. 53:08.078 --> 53:09.602 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, what, I finished my sentence. 53:10.203 --> 53:15.737 [SPEAKER_02]: I just wanted to say, like, I was coming to Alex's defense, not our Alex. 53:16.072 --> 53:45.133 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... the guest Alex's defense because Alex to me was making it sound like this guy uh... was you know he didn't invent kc johns he was just going to write you know that the character and you were kind of making fun of kc johns as a character so i was just kind of like let's not put that on our nice guest was my thought process but i also appreciate what Derek main heart said and you know kc johns is someone else's dumb thing is what you're saying 53:45.586 --> 53:47.649 [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, that's sort of what you said in a way. 53:47.729 --> 53:54.457 [SPEAKER_02]: Just I don't think he's dumb, but uh, you know, you can I like Casey Jones, but I like Casey Jones as well. 53:55.098 --> 54:01.205 [SPEAKER_04]: It's fun to make fun of him because it's sort of what I said talking to Alex where it's like He's such a New York vigilante here. 54:01.225 --> 54:02.186 [SPEAKER_04]: He's like, I don't know. 54:02.206 --> 54:08.774 [SPEAKER_04]: I got this bag and I hate crimes He goes out and hits stuff Very funny, but we got to make fun of him. 54:08.854 --> 54:09.595 [SPEAKER_04]: It's the New York way. 54:09.775 --> 54:11.317 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you understand you live in the country? 54:11.758 --> 54:12.919 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the way we do in New York. 54:13.500 --> 54:14.361 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god 54:14.341 --> 54:15.704 [SPEAKER_03]: Straight ball it asked. 54:15.724 --> 54:23.640 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you guys have any nerd wall goals for 2026 new Legos for Alex new comic art for Pete maybe fresh curtains for Justin. 54:23.660 --> 54:29.211 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I got a light of these curtains over here, right guys my nerd curtains my nerd plant my nerd 54:29.579 --> 54:33.044 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't adore, I feel like your little things aren't nerdy. 54:33.304 --> 54:34.185 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? 54:34.205 --> 54:37.389 [SPEAKER_04]: Interesting, take, interesting, take. 54:37.409 --> 54:40.614 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I mean, if I returned to the basement, I could really do a nerd wall. 54:40.654 --> 54:48.584 [SPEAKER_04]: My problem is my downstairs neighbors have young kids that bang on stuff coming in the evening, so it's hard to be down there. 54:48.604 --> 54:59.198 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we do have one new thing, you can't see it because it's slightly off camera, but my wife for the Stranger Things finale picked up Demogorgon Crunch, 54:59.330 --> 54:59.610 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 54:59.690 --> 55:00.191 [SPEAKER_03]: How was it? 55:01.052 --> 55:01.533 [SPEAKER_03]: Not great. 55:01.693 --> 55:02.334 [SPEAKER_03]: Not great. 55:02.354 --> 55:03.395 [SPEAKER_03]: And nobody else ate it. 55:03.635 --> 55:06.018 [SPEAKER_03]: So I ate it and felt sick every day. 55:06.458 --> 55:06.919 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. 55:07.299 --> 55:12.786 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, can you compare it to another cereal so we can get an understanding of what it's like. 55:13.086 --> 55:16.530 [SPEAKER_03]: Honey comes with Lucky Charms Marshmallows. 55:16.790 --> 55:24.139 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's a fun. 55:24.878 --> 55:26.841 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no thank you. 55:27.002 --> 55:27.643 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's new. 55:27.963 --> 55:30.308 [SPEAKER_03]: I guess I'll eat more terrible cereals this year. 55:30.368 --> 55:31.610 [SPEAKER_03]: That's that's my call. 55:31.630 --> 55:35.537 [SPEAKER_03]: I love eating cereals I know I know it's candy free. 55:35.557 --> 55:43.731 [SPEAKER_02]: You eat cereal every day pee Not every day, but pretty much I found that like I like it 55:44.099 --> 55:48.352 [SPEAKER_02]: Now going to the serial store makes a matching and trying to find my own combination. 55:48.372 --> 55:50.760 [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, the serial store? 55:51.221 --> 55:52.565 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the serial store. 55:52.585 --> 55:53.067 [SPEAKER_04]: Dedicated? 55:53.568 --> 55:54.692 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 55:54.712 --> 55:56.016 [SPEAKER_03]: Please go by serial. 55:56.890 --> 56:00.313 [SPEAKER_03]: And only cereal that's only just as question was about the cereal store. 56:00.373 --> 56:01.935 [SPEAKER_03]: My question is about the expatrix. 56:02.015 --> 56:10.462 [SPEAKER_03]: So is this something they allow you to do or are you going to a supermarket with just a bag of food where you can just make some matches and you just pay at the end. 56:10.602 --> 56:11.183 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 56:11.203 --> 56:11.383 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay. 56:11.503 --> 56:12.544 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that exists. 56:12.564 --> 56:15.287 [SPEAKER_03]: I think you broke into a college. 56:16.428 --> 56:18.850 [SPEAKER_03]: Pete wanders it in his robe of the boarder. 56:18.950 --> 56:21.272 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that was freshman. 56:21.872 --> 56:23.394 [SPEAKER_02]: All the cereal said you want. 56:23.474 --> 56:26.897 [SPEAKER_02]: You could just kind of 56:26.877 --> 56:29.560 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like Pete's stopping. 56:29.580 --> 56:30.341 [SPEAKER_02]: You got to go to class. 56:30.361 --> 56:30.902 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll take time. 56:31.042 --> 56:31.763 [SPEAKER_02]: One more bowl. 56:32.384 --> 56:34.347 [SPEAKER_04]: This is a lunch lady trying to help you. 56:34.367 --> 56:36.169 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 56:36.189 --> 56:40.114 [SPEAKER_03]: Schroykler says, what are your favorite at least favorite red cons in comics? 56:40.294 --> 56:45.281 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll throw off the first one that came to my mind is Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. 56:45.341 --> 56:51.489 [SPEAKER_03]: Them red consning that they're not mutants and also not magnetos kids. 56:52.029 --> 56:56.395 [SPEAKER_03]: Even though I think that if I remember correctly, that was a red cot itself. 56:56.375 --> 57:14.788 [SPEAKER_03]: you already this was good everybody like this story there was no reason to over-complicate this yes they've been bending backwards for years now to be like yeah this works it works right this works at it does well if the worst records are the ones where they take something that was concrete and fix it by making it 57:14.768 --> 57:19.815 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely soft and un-concreate where it's like there's sort of magneto's kids and it's like, what? 57:20.797 --> 57:24.863 [SPEAKER_04]: Magneto raised them, but he's not actually their biological was like, what why is this bad? 57:24.903 --> 57:27.066 [SPEAKER_04]: There's no way this is better. 57:27.086 --> 57:27.186 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 57:27.206 --> 57:28.228 [SPEAKER_02]: Shut up to concrete. 57:29.389 --> 57:30.791 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, the substance? 57:31.032 --> 57:31.893 [SPEAKER_04]: Great for buildings. 57:32.894 --> 57:34.016 [SPEAKER_04]: Not in the common sense. 57:34.096 --> 57:37.020 [SPEAKER_03]: Any other reptcons you guys want to call out there? 57:39.584 --> 57:39.744 [SPEAKER_04]: Hmm. 57:39.804 --> 57:41.687 [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of options out there. 57:41.802 --> 58:02.393 [SPEAKER_04]: I will say I guess one that I think did really work was Barbara Gordon getting her ability to be background to to walk again because I thought I think it were I like having her back and they were able to retain the oracle persona while also having her be background. 58:02.947 --> 58:20.802 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I guess that's when they made work eventually, but I didn't really like her as Oracle and it's a bummer that they Redconned somebody who wasn't a wheelchair because I think not I think I know a lot of people in wheelchairs looked at that and was like, Well, I see myself in these comments. 58:20.822 --> 58:22.566 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a powerful character, but I hear you. 58:22.626 --> 58:24.229 [SPEAKER_03]: I do think like, 58:24.361 --> 58:29.106 [SPEAKER_03]: They've managed to make it work with kind of best of the both worlds in the modern continuity. 58:29.146 --> 58:32.869 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I guess I'm not, I'm not grading the creative choice. 58:32.929 --> 58:39.255 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm saying like they were able to do it in a way that I think is not confusing like the one you were highlighting. 58:39.275 --> 58:40.677 [SPEAKER_04]: Which I think is a base bat. 58:41.377 --> 58:45.542 [SPEAKER_03]: This from it came from the radio pick one superhero and give them a new year's resolution. 58:45.662 --> 58:50.166 [SPEAKER_03]: What would it be? 58:52.424 --> 58:57.011 [SPEAKER_02]: tough, uh, beast, uh, not saying my stars and garders. 58:58.913 --> 59:01.197 [SPEAKER_04]: Wow, that's almost his whole thing. 59:01.657 --> 59:03.901 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, why is that your problem? 59:03.921 --> 59:11.732 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I just, it would be nice if you, you know, maybe got a new catchphrase or, you know, moved on or you find that all my stars and garders is a little dated. 59:12.134 --> 59:14.358 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, how many garters do you think he had? 59:14.378 --> 59:15.199 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, don't give me wrong. 59:15.279 --> 59:18.485 [SPEAKER_02]: I've read the comics where I've been moved when he said it. 59:18.665 --> 59:21.671 [SPEAKER_02]: I've, you know, it really, that I'm surprised. 59:21.691 --> 59:24.556 [SPEAKER_02]: But a lot of the time, so I'm just like, come on, man. 59:24.776 --> 59:29.725 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, so that did was a, that did play to be a bit of a big deal recently. 59:30.306 --> 59:30.506 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 59:30.526 --> 59:32.469 [SPEAKER_04]: That phrase. 59:32.490 --> 59:34.513 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, do you hear his resolution? 59:35.135 --> 59:39.704 [SPEAKER_04]: It's hard, everyone's make it be different. 59:40.005 --> 59:41.969 [SPEAKER_04]: You don't have to be the same, I guess. 59:43.272 --> 59:48.823 [SPEAKER_04]: Because that's what I feel like comics are always going back to the line. 59:49.006 --> 59:55.434 [SPEAKER_04]: But that's why the character that comes to mind is Spider-Man, the current continuity, like, stay weird. 59:55.974 --> 59:57.476 [SPEAKER_04]: Spidey, stay weird. 59:58.077 --> 59:58.918 [SPEAKER_03]: Stay weird, Portland. 59:59.779 --> 01:00:08.970 [SPEAKER_03]: Atomic Grom says there's a TikTok video tragic of a woman saying, all white people have a bird in their homes where your birds are just off-camera. 01:00:09.571 --> 01:00:11.213 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, in a top-hand, deep. 01:00:12.094 --> 01:00:13.275 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep, do not. 01:00:13.407 --> 01:00:40.528 [SPEAKER_03]: uh... easy reader seventy three nine says we're gonna do your city plan on going into any comocons this year uh... i'm sure i'll go to new york comicon i just got the application for bics the brickland independent comic showcase which we did last year uh... so i was mulling over to a that because it's like down the block for a so that's pretty easy um... and i don't know any other is your interested in going to you guys 01:00:41.420 --> 01:00:43.022 [SPEAKER_03]: Philly or Baltimore? 01:00:43.282 --> 01:00:43.903 [SPEAKER_03]: That's for sure. 01:00:45.585 --> 01:00:45.905 [SPEAKER_03]: Nice. 01:00:46.385 --> 01:00:46.846 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:00:46.866 --> 01:00:52.752 [SPEAKER_03]: I was considering going back to Terrificana and Connecticut because I thought that one was pretty great. 01:00:52.912 --> 01:00:53.233 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah. 01:00:53.894 --> 01:00:54.314 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:00:54.334 --> 01:00:58.318 [SPEAKER_03]: Probably just depends on like timing more than anything. 01:00:58.358 --> 01:01:04.125 [SPEAKER_03]: It's at the end of August, but it's Edmohigan's side at the Casino, so it's weird one, but a fun one. 01:01:04.205 --> 01:01:04.765 [SPEAKER_03]: Timeless. 01:01:05.166 --> 01:01:06.347 [SPEAKER_04]: Timeless. 01:01:07.053 --> 01:01:25.703 [SPEAKER_03]: uh... this is from chelsify single issues or collected additions getting back into comics in a torn between choosing which way to go great question great question uh... my story space you have my logic on this is very much depends on the series at this point like 01:01:26.172 --> 01:01:29.363 [SPEAKER_04]: It's really like, for instance, amazing spider-man. 01:01:29.664 --> 01:01:31.531 [SPEAKER_04]: That's, I think, single issues the way to go. 01:01:31.571 --> 01:01:34.702 [SPEAKER_04]: That's like being caught up in the story, reading the news. 01:01:34.782 --> 01:01:38.595 [SPEAKER_04]: I think the absolute universe is reading really well in single issues. 01:01:39.554 --> 01:01:47.744 [SPEAKER_04]: But I think some of the more contained stories or stories that you can feel the bigness where you don't want to have to pick up all the single issues. 01:01:48.305 --> 01:01:51.289 [SPEAKER_04]: Wait for the collected edition. 01:01:51.309 --> 01:01:59.900 [SPEAKER_03]: I would say start with collected editions, particularly if you're just getting back into comics, read some stuff, see if you like it. 01:02:00.040 --> 01:02:04.566 [SPEAKER_03]: And if you become obsessed with it, then you can switch over to the single issues and follow from there. 01:02:04.900 --> 01:02:14.319 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, so yeah, like you pick up a first volume of something and you're like, oh, this is a quite for me, then you're not committed to getting it month after month that building up that habit. 01:02:15.361 --> 01:02:18.327 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I just say drug drug analogy for Alan. 01:02:18.347 --> 01:02:22.274 [SPEAKER_04]: What do you become addicted become addicted and then get your drip? 01:02:22.295 --> 01:02:23.176 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah. 01:02:23.196 --> 01:02:24.178 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. 01:02:24.198 --> 01:02:26.082 [SPEAKER_03]: That is what happened to all of us. 01:02:26.568 --> 01:02:29.371 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I've across the line of Diction. 01:02:29.391 --> 01:02:38.101 [SPEAKER_02]: I just think there's something great about going in, do a kind of a shop and getting an issue, and just kind of a falling in love with what's happening and keep going back for more. 01:02:38.281 --> 01:02:50.095 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's always something cool about like finding something that you feel very connected to, and I feel like there's something magical about like a single issue and that kind of fun that you can have. 01:02:50.665 --> 01:02:52.548 [SPEAKER_03]: I've got a great follow-up question here. 01:02:52.588 --> 01:02:54.832 [SPEAKER_03]: This is from Lars Castine. 01:02:54.872 --> 01:03:01.563 [SPEAKER_03]: I've just started reading comics regularly over the last six months, and I don't know how to or went to drop a series. 01:03:02.024 --> 01:03:05.850 [SPEAKER_03]: How do you know for sure that you don't like something, how much of a chance to give? 01:03:08.214 --> 01:03:08.995 [SPEAKER_04]: Great question. 01:03:09.532 --> 01:03:11.775 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I can say what I've said this before. 01:03:11.835 --> 01:03:25.375 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this is obviously like not exactly analogous to anybody else's situation, but when we're reviewing stuff on the stack, I'll we'll always read a first issue of pretty much anything to give it a chance. 01:03:25.855 --> 01:03:36.130 [SPEAKER_03]: If it's something that we're kind of medium on, I say definitely give it a second issue for sure, and to me, just because of the amount of stuff that we read, if we're like, 01:03:36.110 --> 01:03:40.281 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know about the first issue and read the second issue or like I don't know about the second issue 01:03:41.054 --> 01:04:00.060 [SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, that's kind of it at that point, but if there seems to be an upward trajectory and you're like, okay, this is a little better, I think stick it out any issue or too longer and see because first issues are a completely different thing in a certain way that the rest of the series. 01:04:00.080 --> 01:04:03.144 [SPEAKER_03]: They're the mission statement, they're trying to sell you, they're trying to hook you. 01:04:03.164 --> 01:04:06.268 [SPEAKER_03]: I think the really proof of the putting is further than that. 01:04:06.248 --> 01:04:14.580 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like a TV pilot, a TV series, the pilot doesn't always give you the show is, it's often that second issue that tells it. 01:04:14.961 --> 01:04:21.430 [SPEAKER_04]: The couple of different comments coming in, Kurt Jensen says, four issues, Derek Maynard, I know that after three issues. 01:04:22.151 --> 01:04:27.298 [SPEAKER_04]: For me, I feel like sometimes I read stuff that I don't think is amazing, but it's surprising. 01:04:28.380 --> 01:04:35.310 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'd be more likely to stick with something that is constantly keeping me on my toes than something that feels very like. 01:04:35.493 --> 01:04:39.903 [SPEAKER_04]: I see what's happening here and it's just sort of, you know, towing the line. 01:04:40.464 --> 01:04:43.330 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:04:44.493 --> 01:04:53.012 [SPEAKER_02]: I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I- 01:04:53.549 --> 01:05:16.114 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just feel like if you're if you really like a writer and that's why you're at this book you know like give it however many issues because that will they'll turn it around you know usually good writers will land the ship so I think that you know if you love the team then stick with it because you'll probably be surprised and happy that you did stick with it 01:05:16.094 --> 01:05:21.443 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm very temperamental when I hate something I hate it and I want it out of my life. 01:05:21.543 --> 01:05:25.189 [SPEAKER_04]: So that's the least news item I've ever heard. 01:05:27.012 --> 01:05:28.054 [SPEAKER_02]: We're not a news show. 01:05:28.074 --> 01:05:29.837 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why you keep saying the word news. 01:05:29.937 --> 01:05:32.081 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you're not going to get my news from Spider-Man. 01:05:32.101 --> 01:05:33.283 [SPEAKER_02]: You got to go tell the truth. 01:05:33.303 --> 01:05:41.697 [SPEAKER_03]: The one thing that I would add on to this discussion is it depends on how long the series is because if it's a MIDI series, if it's like four or five issues, 01:05:41.677 --> 01:05:47.465 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm much more inclined if I'm like 50, 50 on it to just be like, or I'll just write it out and see what the conclusion is. 01:05:47.505 --> 01:05:49.087 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe this wraps up really nicely. 01:05:49.628 --> 01:05:55.376 [SPEAKER_03]: If it's an ongoing series, I do think everybody's saying like, three issues, four issues, something like that. 01:05:56.378 --> 01:05:58.681 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's a comics are a lot of money. 01:05:59.081 --> 01:06:03.488 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think you don't, you're under no obligation to stick it out. 01:06:03.568 --> 01:06:08.815 [SPEAKER_03]: If it's something you're not enjoying, if you're not liking the writing, if you're not liking the art, 01:06:09.352 --> 01:06:13.277 [SPEAKER_03]: you know, it's it's okay to drop it pick up something else if you want to try something else. 01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:16.942 [SPEAKER_04]: That has, and yeah, what do you think this is comic book club news? 01:06:20.527 --> 01:06:22.209 [SPEAKER_04]: I do have a question, a follow question on this. 01:06:22.549 --> 01:06:24.632 [SPEAKER_04]: What are you more likely to drop? 01:06:25.213 --> 01:06:30.680 [SPEAKER_04]: A book where the writing is not good, but the art is great or the opposite. 01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:37.789 [SPEAKER_02]: Where the writing is great, but the art is 01:06:38.714 --> 01:07:01.549 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, especially if the character doesn't look like the character should in your head for some reason, like that really pulls me out of it Or if there isn't like I've had certain Certain writers like take on some of my favorite characters and like this doesn't feel like the character I know and love so you just can't do it But the art for either really wins it for me or pulls me out of it right away 01:07:02.491 --> 01:07:15.232 [SPEAKER_03]: I, hmm, I do think it kind of depends and it depends on if we're talking about like it's its own story, like it's a pretty series or it's an image series, unconnected for anything. 01:07:15.272 --> 01:07:23.605 [SPEAKER_03]: If the writing is bad but the art is good, I would rather stop and find that artist on something else. 01:07:23.585 --> 01:07:24.506 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:07:24.526 --> 01:07:44.145 [SPEAKER_03]: On the other hand, if we're talking about something, and this is because we cover this stuff, like if we're talking about something, quote unquote important, like if it's a Marvel book or DC book, that feels like some sort of spine for something, even if I really don't like the writing I'll often stick it out just so I have an understanding of what is happening in the world. 01:07:44.785 --> 01:07:49.930 [SPEAKER_04]: So you're saying, if both the writing and art is bad, you're like, well, if it's important, I gotta read it. 01:07:50.872 --> 01:08:05.286 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, so that I understand what I'm talking about when we're talking about comics that's all of course because it's the news and where the news is what there's no I'm much more on I can I can suffer through bad art for much longer than I can suffer through bad writing 01:08:05.435 --> 01:08:10.381 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, here's the thing about bad writing is if the art's good, you can just stop reading, you know what I mean? 01:08:10.401 --> 01:08:14.506 [SPEAKER_04]: That's not how that works. 01:08:16.028 --> 01:08:16.789 [SPEAKER_04]: It does. 01:08:17.109 --> 01:08:17.510 [SPEAKER_04]: It does. 01:08:17.530 --> 01:08:17.730 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:08:18.051 --> 01:08:18.491 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm scared. 01:08:18.511 --> 01:08:19.893 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just going to close my eyes for a while. 01:08:20.353 --> 01:08:21.134 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 01:08:21.154 --> 01:08:22.096 [SPEAKER_04]: This plane's crashing. 01:08:22.156 --> 01:08:24.859 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll just close my eyes for the rest of it. 01:08:24.899 --> 01:08:25.620 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:08:25.718 --> 01:08:46.579 [SPEAKER_03]: uh... interesting we're getting some great contradictory answers here somebody says shouldy arts somebody says good writing could say bad art but not the other way around yes writing is more important uh... we've got not saying bad lettering is worse than anything well oh that i mean it is pretty bad if you have bad lettering 01:08:47.352 --> 01:08:49.617 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I don't know, that's fine. 01:08:50.439 --> 01:08:50.539 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:08:50.559 --> 01:08:55.350 [SPEAKER_03]: If you saw it like, if you opened up a book, it was all comic songs or something like that, you'd be like, I don't know. 01:08:55.370 --> 01:08:56.653 [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, this book's really calm me. 01:08:56.913 --> 01:08:58.597 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, oh, if you're fun this book, yeah. 01:08:59.218 --> 01:08:59.399 [SPEAKER_03]: It's fun. 01:08:59.419 --> 01:09:00.160 [SPEAKER_03]: We did. 01:09:00.481 --> 01:09:00.682 [SPEAKER_02]: We did it. 01:09:00.702 --> 01:09:01.503 [SPEAKER_02]: It's idea. 01:09:01.984 --> 01:09:03.167 [SPEAKER_02]: We did things. 01:09:03.147 --> 01:09:13.702 [SPEAKER_03]: Alright, well, that is it for your audience questions and now we're going to move on to our next section which is trivia and for that we're going to turn over to Pete the page. 01:09:13.722 --> 01:09:16.466 [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, this part will give back to you the lovely audience. 01:09:16.827 --> 01:09:17.908 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for listening. 01:09:17.928 --> 01:09:21.814 [SPEAKER_02]: We really appreciate it wherever you are 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[SPEAKER_03]: This is from it came from the radio thinking of the Peter David Hulk. 01:09:56.111 --> 01:09:57.634 [SPEAKER_03]: I stuck through the bad art. 01:09:58.936 --> 01:10:00.559 [SPEAKER_03]: Wasn't that Todd McFarland? 01:10:01.737 --> 01:10:05.343 [SPEAKER_04]: Peter David was on that for a couple runs on the hall, sure. 01:10:05.944 --> 01:10:06.144 [SPEAKER_04]: All right. 01:10:06.164 --> 01:10:10.350 [SPEAKER_04]: The Gary Frank was the artist for a bunch of that as well But there was some struggle. 01:10:10.551 --> 01:10:11.652 [SPEAKER_03]: I guess there was a bad. 01:10:11.672 --> 01:10:12.754 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, there was a bad art. 01:10:12.794 --> 01:10:13.195 [SPEAKER_03]: It's all right. 01:10:13.575 --> 01:10:17.962 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we got a zen man on the trivia So take it away Pete. 01:10:18.603 --> 01:10:24.252 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, today's trivia is about the comic poise and ivy and a small nod to the legend 01:10:24.620 --> 01:10:26.643 [SPEAKER_02]: Sally Kirkland, RIP. 01:10:27.103 --> 01:10:31.469 [SPEAKER_02]: Please listen to all three options before making your selection. 01:10:31.509 --> 01:10:32.511 [SPEAKER_02]: Here we go, question number one. 01:10:34.133 --> 01:10:37.578 [SPEAKER_02]: Which author has been killing it on poison ivy? 01:10:38.058 --> 01:10:40.381 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it a, G willowizzon? 01:10:41.182 --> 01:10:45.128 [SPEAKER_02]: B, bro, are you Dan's father? 01:10:45.188 --> 01:10:47.251 [SPEAKER_02]: See Timothy Akroyd? 01:10:50.395 --> 01:10:50.715 [SPEAKER_04]: Nice. 01:10:51.036 --> 01:10:52.197 [SPEAKER_04]: Really well and unseated. 01:10:52.498 --> 01:10:53.479 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, not so. 01:10:53.932 --> 01:10:56.957 [SPEAKER_04]: Have you been taking some country acting classes? 01:10:58.559 --> 01:10:59.881 [SPEAKER_04]: How do you do your addiction? 01:11:00.382 --> 01:11:01.604 [SPEAKER_02]: A. G. Willow Wilson? 01:11:01.724 --> 01:11:02.666 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, correct. 01:11:02.686 --> 01:11:05.630 [SPEAKER_02]: And thank you for also writing what A was. 01:11:06.271 --> 01:11:07.693 [SPEAKER_02]: Very nice extra stuff there. 01:11:08.034 --> 01:11:13.723 [SPEAKER_02]: Question number two, blank from HR has been a part of some fantastic ships. 01:11:14.344 --> 01:11:15.566 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it A. Janet? 01:11:16.507 --> 01:11:18.370 [SPEAKER_02]: B. Lesserong would be better. 01:11:18.430 --> 01:11:19.372 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't you think? 01:11:19.392 --> 01:11:22.116 [SPEAKER_02]: C. Lesserong? 01:11:24.155 --> 01:11:30.043 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know about these feet and first she went with a father instead of the son Now you're going less wrong. 01:11:30.143 --> 01:11:30.824 [SPEAKER_03]: It would be better. 01:11:31.144 --> 01:11:31.725 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right. 01:11:31.745 --> 01:11:35.089 [SPEAKER_04]: It would be better That's what I'm saying. 01:11:35.490 --> 01:11:35.971 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. 01:11:36.291 --> 01:11:40.096 [SPEAKER_02]: We're we're you're we're in agreement Don't look too deep. 01:11:40.376 --> 01:11:42.619 [SPEAKER_04]: Don't don't dip your whole body into the pool. 01:11:42.840 --> 01:11:45.944 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, uh A trying to avoid twitch saying. 01:11:46.004 --> 01:11:49.268 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm spamming Yeah, it is correct 01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:59.190 [SPEAKER_02]: Here we go, last one, question number three, what is a notable alias that Poison IV has had? 01:11:59.350 --> 01:12:00.692 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it a, Dr. Green? 01:12:01.392 --> 01:12:08.120 [SPEAKER_02]: B, if your parents made a TMT reference, you're hired, see Michael Angelo. 01:12:11.164 --> 01:12:12.325 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a person's whole name. 01:12:12.686 --> 01:12:15.589 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I thought that I laughed out loud one. 01:12:15.609 --> 01:12:16.290 [SPEAKER_02]: I said, Red, yeah. 01:12:16.310 --> 01:12:17.972 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you think they would be a artist? 01:12:19.032 --> 01:12:20.775 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope not. 01:12:20.795 --> 01:12:24.600 [SPEAKER_02]: Dr. Green is Dr. Green is correct killing it. 01:12:24.941 --> 01:12:25.742 [SPEAKER_03]: Three for three. 01:12:26.163 --> 01:12:26.904 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, there you go. 01:12:26.924 --> 01:12:29.348 [SPEAKER_03]: And D trivia, of course, the answer there. 01:12:29.848 --> 01:12:32.192 [SPEAKER_03]: Congratulations, and man, you are getting a gift card. 01:12:32.212 --> 01:12:33.574 [SPEAKER_03]: You've been to a comic should us the email. 01:12:33.594 --> 01:12:34.415 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll get that to you. 01:12:34.435 --> 01:12:35.637 [SPEAKER_03]: Pete, what is the secret? 01:12:36.278 --> 01:12:40.264 [SPEAKER_03]: Sally Kirkland heir to the Kirkland fortune. 01:12:40.244 --> 01:12:48.116 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if that's true, but she created Kirkland signature goods, I don't know if that's true at all. 01:12:49.157 --> 01:12:55.947 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, I'm talking about the 1990 comedy Bullseye, and fun fact to do, plays a character called Das Head. 01:12:56.588 --> 01:13:02.016 [SPEAKER_02]: And even fun, in fact, that same dude would later go on to play Mean Machine and Judge Dred. 01:13:02.857 --> 01:13:06.201 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, what is that nonsense you just said? 01:13:07.763 --> 01:13:08.924 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll never know. 01:13:08.945 --> 01:13:13.350 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, as we all know, tomorrow is the comic book day. 01:13:13.370 --> 01:13:15.132 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, lots of stuff is coming out. 01:13:15.272 --> 01:13:16.854 [SPEAKER_03]: In stores, what are you guys looking forward to? 01:13:16.874 --> 01:13:19.157 [SPEAKER_03]: Pete, what are you looking forward to in stores tomorrow? 01:13:19.357 --> 01:13:20.559 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm so glad you asked. 01:13:20.779 --> 01:13:28.208 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking forward to teaching you nuncha turtles and Godzilla number two, T seals you own my heart. 01:13:28.368 --> 01:13:30.531 [SPEAKER_02]: And you continue to create amazing things. 01:13:30.611 --> 01:13:32.053 [SPEAKER_02]: So thank you for your work. 01:13:33.518 --> 01:13:33.999 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, great. 01:13:34.039 --> 01:13:34.400 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it. 01:13:34.440 --> 01:13:35.603 [SPEAKER_04]: Just what about you. 01:13:35.623 --> 01:13:48.632 [SPEAKER_04]: I am looking forward to a comic that has been rising in my stack for quite some time and under discussed book and I hope we can talk about it more going forward. 01:13:48.952 --> 01:13:49.654 [SPEAKER_04]: Perhaps tomorrow. 01:13:49.972 --> 01:13:52.436 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolute Superman number 15 from Jason Aaron. 01:13:52.796 --> 01:14:15.169 [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like this is the the absolute book that everyone's sleeping on it's so good The Battle of Smallville just ended last issue and I feel like the synthesis the long con that Jason Aaron has done on this New take on the Superman legend has been excellent so really enjoying that Absolute green lantern number 10 also hype on that 01:14:15.672 --> 01:14:18.557 [SPEAKER_04]: And, uh, minor threats, I'm going to go out. 01:14:18.577 --> 01:14:19.018 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:19.038 --> 01:14:19.539 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:19.579 --> 01:14:20.080 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:20.300 --> 01:14:20.961 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:21.041 --> 01:14:21.642 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:21.663 --> 01:14:22.143 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:22.163 --> 01:14:22.784 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:22.805 --> 01:14:23.466 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:23.486 --> 01:14:24.127 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:24.147 --> 01:14:24.748 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:24.808 --> 01:14:26.271 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:26.291 --> 01:14:26.852 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:26.872 --> 01:14:27.413 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:27.433 --> 01:14:28.174 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:28.194 --> 01:14:28.655 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:28.675 --> 01:14:29.216 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:29.456 --> 01:14:30.037 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:30.258 --> 01:14:30.839 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:30.859 --> 01:14:31.380 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:31.400 --> 01:14:31.860 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:32.321 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:32.341 --> 01:14:32.822 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:32.842 --> 01:14:33.343 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go out. 01:14:33.323 --> 01:14:40.096 [SPEAKER_03]: And we're actually going to get double hit of minor threats tomorrow with the last issue of archie versus minor threats. 01:14:40.216 --> 01:14:41.378 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty excited about that. 01:14:41.458 --> 01:14:43.181 [SPEAKER_03]: That mini series has been a lot of fun. 01:14:43.822 --> 01:14:48.411 [SPEAKER_03]: So very curious to check out James Stoco is doing an issue of the Twilight Zone. 01:14:48.551 --> 01:14:53.140 [SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of artists, I won't read anything that James Stoco draws. 01:14:53.160 --> 01:14:54.943 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm very curious to check that out. 01:14:54.923 --> 01:14:58.788 [SPEAKER_03]: And under the radar, book that I think is going under the radar. 01:14:58.828 --> 01:15:03.175 [SPEAKER_03]: Cheetah and Cheshire robbed the Justice League ever since final issue of that is coming out. 01:15:03.595 --> 01:15:04.797 [SPEAKER_03]: Pete, I don't know what you're clapping for. 01:15:04.877 --> 01:15:08.482 [SPEAKER_03]: You have been really down and negative about every issue of this series. 01:15:08.762 --> 01:15:09.423 [SPEAKER_02]: How dare you? 01:15:09.443 --> 01:15:10.244 [SPEAKER_02]: That is not true. 01:15:10.625 --> 01:15:14.991 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I guess we'll see what happens with the final issue last month. 01:15:14.971 --> 01:15:33.132 [SPEAKER_03]: FML number seven by Kelly pseudoconic and Lopez just a wildly creative book and all of those books and many more are going to be in our stock podcast that comes out Wednesday 9 a.m. both the stock feed of the comic book club feed and folks that is it for this week. 01:15:34.597 --> 01:15:35.939 [SPEAKER_03]: We did it. 01:15:36.059 --> 01:15:39.986 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you to Alex packed it out for coming out to talk about cyclops. 01:15:40.066 --> 01:15:53.348 [SPEAKER_03]: Again, there's coming out February 11 in weight from Marvel comics That is five issues series soon that you're caught a book chop know about that next week on the show We're gonna have a Brian Michael Bendis 01:15:53.328 --> 01:16:10.387 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, it's talking about powers 25 and also his big return to Marvel for Avengers 800 Oh, and some more things to come such an interesting conversation comic book club news Our daily news show Monday through Friday every morning to check that out. 01:16:10.467 --> 01:16:12.389 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's so yeah That's the new show. 01:16:12.850 --> 01:16:15.893 [SPEAKER_03]: Patreon dot com slash comic book club 01:16:15.873 --> 01:16:32.430 [SPEAKER_03]: Sport they show and all the shows we do you can subscribe on apple androids Spotify or the app of your choice comic book club I believe sky comic book club live on instagram take talking threads comic book club live calm for this podcast and many more until next time we'll see you 01:16:32.410 --> 01:16:33.813 [SPEAKER_03]: at the comic book club. 01:16:34.193 --> 01:16:36.417 [SPEAKER_04]: Good bye, it's twenty twenty six out of twenty seven. 01:16:36.478 --> 01:16:37.479 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's go. 01:16:37.500 --> 01:16:52.748 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks Lars.