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[SPEAKER_05]: Hey, Jody.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hey.
[SPEAKER_05]: Three.
[SPEAKER_05]: One of them damn days.
[SPEAKER_05]: Today's going to be extremely hard to hold our tongues and not see.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Also, we are very glad to Bob Cessk is going to be in tonight because maybe he can bring his circus version of the Imperial March because the evil empire is here and it is half ashes and dumb as hell.
[SPEAKER_05]: We will have that Glenn Kersner by the way, technically coming in this first hour, we will talk to him obviously about the ice shooting in Minneapolis, about the insurrection, about all this imperial action by the Trump regime.
[SPEAKER_13]: I'm pissed, Johnny.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm pissed.
[SPEAKER_13]: Say this is this is I'm watching the I just watched it on Twitter first or on Blue Sky first and then MSNBC or MS now whatever they call themselves.
[SPEAKER_05]: I've seen it on I've seen it on the multiple social media and different angles.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's not just the I saw one angle and there's all these different angles.
[SPEAKER_05]: I flipped to see on MS now and CNN and yeah, I even flipped over to Fox a little bit to see if they had anything on all of this and it is ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_05]: By the way, speaking of stations and network, big thanks to all the networks and all great folks who've been doing the work today on AM 950 Minneapolis Saint Paul and WCPT AMA 20 Chicago, also those folks in the detour talk in Tennessee and Georgia now, Ron and the folks down there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you very much for that.
[SPEAKER_05]: And of course, big thanks to the folks of progressive voices radio.
[SPEAKER_05]: worldwide, and if you were listening on the podcast, and you're a future person, well, sorry, breaking news happens.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's, and we're extremely glad that you guys are listening on the podcast, because we will hopefully help you be able to understand this a little bit more, having a little past clarity on this, but, um,
[SPEAKER_05]: And I where where we even start with this date the five year insurrection anniversary is yesterday week we didn't even talk about it all that much we want to talk a little bit about that with Glenn today.
[SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then um obviously we were working on on this stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean you guys can see what we were working on today on the news on tap which is at the politics bar dot com obviously we were talking about the insurrection and look as Parker Malois peace in the news on tap today says the insurrection
[SPEAKER_05]: This violence in Minneapolis today is a direct result of Donald Trump and all of his monsters and the violence that they did against our capital five years ago yesterday.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep, this is and and and look, we.
[SPEAKER_05]: Jack Smith said as much quite literally said as much.
[SPEAKER_05]: When we were what was it?
[SPEAKER_05]: 17th I think it was of last month when he was in front of Congress.
[SPEAKER_05]: Here's what Jack Smith said.
[SPEAKER_06]: The evidence here made clear that President Trump was by a large measure and most culpable and most responsible
[SPEAKER_06]: The attack that happened at the Capitol is part of this case.
[SPEAKER_06]: It does not happen without him.
[SPEAKER_13]: It doesn't.
[SPEAKER_13]: Without him, Ashley Babot would be alive.
[SPEAKER_13]: Without him, all sorts of things would not have happened.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Donald Trump is a violent terrorist, and he has broken a lot of our laws.
[SPEAKER_13]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_13]: Keeps doing it, too.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And he's an imperialist.
[SPEAKER_05]: More importantly, so are the people around him.
[SPEAKER_05]: You've got, uh, what do we call him, uh, P.E.
[SPEAKER_05]: German, little gobles, baby gobles, P.E.
[SPEAKER_13]: German.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Steven Miller is a real turn.
[SPEAKER_05]: Who today?
[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Was it yesterday two days ago, I think it was Monday.
[SPEAKER_05]: He was literally spouting imperialist propaganda, now if you're not sure of what we mean when we're saying imperialist propaganda, we're not just using that as a label.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's literally, we've got some really some things you should absolutely read today.
[SPEAKER_05]: In the second round on the news on tap under Trump's new imperialist wars, first of all,
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, Alice and Maro, over, uh, I believe this was it's CNN, wrote about how Donald Trump now, now, Donnie says that that, um, Venezuela is going to give him 30 to 50 million barrels of oil.
[SPEAKER_05]: Him personally.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, and he gets to control the money.
[SPEAKER_04]: not legal.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's extortion.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's literally against the law.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's it is literally one of the things that the founding fathers of this country specifically wrote the laws to avoid.
[SPEAKER_05]: That is is the type.
[SPEAKER_05]: Donnie thinks he's a king.
[SPEAKER_05]: Then you go under the Trump's half-ash list imperial half-ashist imperialization in the in the news on tap.
[SPEAKER_05]: There are three pieces you really should check out.
[SPEAKER_05]: New royalism, a new theory somewhat explains why Trump
[SPEAKER_05]: keeps threatening global takeovers, then a couple pieces, one from Elizabeth Spears about Trump's mogul-first model of foreign diplomacy, and then one I wrote, talking about Trump's imperialist insanity.
[SPEAKER_05]: Imperialism is what we had worldwide prior to the last century.
[SPEAKER_05]: History was one of like, you know this, Jody.
[SPEAKER_05]: History is one of my minors in college.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: I could have taken a couple more classes and made it a major,
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, whatever, I like history.
[SPEAKER_05]: You like history.
[SPEAKER_05]: Want to history one of your miners too?
[SPEAKER_05]: No, film was a miner.
[UNKNOWN]: Haha.
[SPEAKER_05]: Look, look, but you do, I do know that you love history.
[SPEAKER_05]: You are big on history, so it's Glenn, so it's Bob.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're both coming in tonight.
[SPEAKER_05]: Our drink of the day today.
[SPEAKER_05]: You do all the drinks and they have great history in them.
[SPEAKER_05]: For all you folks out here listening in the bar, prior to the 1900s, the 20th century.
[SPEAKER_05]: The predominant world political order was what was known as imperialism.
[SPEAKER_05]: An imperialism is basically might makes right.
[SPEAKER_05]: The bigger country comes in, they got more guns, they got more soldiers, they got more boats, they got more cannons, and they come in, and they kick the ass of the smaller countries, and they do whatever the hell they want with them.
[SPEAKER_05]: They use their resources, they beat up their people, they enslave their people, that was imperialism.
[SPEAKER_05]: Imperialism is also,
[SPEAKER_05]: Historians, social scientists, they've all confirmed this.
[SPEAKER_05]: Imperialism is what led to World War I, and mistakes from World War I are what led to World War II.
[SPEAKER_05]: Imperialism led to over a hundred million people on the planet dying and literally trillions of dollars in value.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't care if you're a selfish little twit who only cares about your business and your family.
[SPEAKER_05]: The last time we tried this imperialist crap, trillions of dollars.
[SPEAKER_05]: There is not a single person on the planet in the 1900s who did not lose wealth because of imperialism.
[SPEAKER_05]: Not one.
[SPEAKER_05]: So now we have these jackasses like Stephen Miller and Donald Trump.
[SPEAKER_05]: sitting here, saying that what they want to do.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was where I want Venezuela.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just going to take Venezuela.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to take their oil.
[SPEAKER_05]: I want green lands.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just going to take green land.
[SPEAKER_05]: I can do it because nobody stopping me.
[SPEAKER_05]: There are no more referees, folks.
[SPEAKER_05]: We are the referees.
[SPEAKER_05]: We are playing by Chicago rules in more than one way.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I get that everybody is pissed, but, you know, like Minneapolis mayor Jacob Fry said today, you got to meet them with peace, and that doesn't mean that it doesn't mean that we sit there and do nothing, because that's clearly what you folks are not in, who are listening in Chicago, y'all know, that is not exactly what you guys did to run ice out of your town, right, and you folks in Minneapolis, you know,
[SPEAKER_05]: God, I hope you guys learned everything that from L.A. and T.C.
[SPEAKER_05]: and Seattle in Portland and Charlottes and everywhere else in New Orleans.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's especially Chicago.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because you all go and need them lessons right now.
[SPEAKER_05]: Remember when we had the, remember to guy with the black umbrella, the people who were the, I remember that guy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Black folks, back during the Georgia Floyd raids by the way.
[SPEAKER_05]: This killing by this ice monster was about a half mile away from where George Floyd was.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, and apparently somebody burned a flag and on the MS now on Katie Tertio on site reporters was saying, yeah, a flag was burned here.
[SPEAKER_13]: And one guy says to him on camera says, no, that guy just burned the flag and left.
[SPEAKER_13]: He's not part of this.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: He did it on purpose and said, that guy burned the flag and left.
[SPEAKER_05]: He is not one of us.
[SPEAKER_13]: He is not one of us.
[SPEAKER_13]: We are not doing that.
[SPEAKER_13]: He did that to instigate something.
[SPEAKER_05]: shirt is right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Also, by the way, Christie the Nome down in Texas on during all this, literally before anything is done, lies her ass off.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to, I'm going to let you hear what Christie the Nome, how she said it went down, and then Jody and I are going to walk through it with you here in the bar, because we can tell you, we've seen the videos.
[SPEAKER_05]: There are, you're just a couple of videos.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Here's what Christie the Nome said happened, and she's lying her ass off.
[SPEAKER_01]: you asked about a shooting that we just had in Minneapolis, Minnesota, it was an act of domestic terrorism.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, by the ice open, it was our ice officers were out in an enforcement action.
[SPEAKER_01]: They got stuck in the snow because of it, it was weather that is in Minneapolis.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were attempting to push out their vehicle and their animals had them and those surrounding them and attempted to run them over.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_13]: None of that is true.
[SPEAKER_13]: Not other than the fact that they were in Minneapolis, none of that is true.
[SPEAKER_05]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_05]: Jody is right.
[SPEAKER_05]: And Christy the Nome is literally, okay, so we can walk you through this as multiple videos show.
[SPEAKER_05]: And there's a lot of black ice out there.
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't know if the car that was perpendicular in the road initially had spun out.
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't know if they were there purposely to try to block.
[SPEAKER_05]: the ice agents.
[SPEAKER_05]: What we do know is most of the videos happen to come up on the car when the car is already perpendicular in the right.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is a neighborhood street.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you're looking at it's not a tight neighborhood street.
[SPEAKER_05]: I would say would be what about three cars wide, Jody?
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, if cars are parked, it's probably hard to, you know.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: If there were cars parked on either side, it's probably tight to get to get to get to get to cars through.
[SPEAKER_13]: It looked like a very narrow street to me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's residential street as you residential houses.
[SPEAKER_05]: The car is parked perpendicular.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a van.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I think it's an SUV, but regardless, they enter SUV something like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: The driver side window is down.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, two ice agents, a post approach, the car.
[SPEAKER_05]: The driver.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now, they're not trying to push out the car, which is what Christy Known said.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, they were doing an enforcement action.
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't know exactly what the enforcement action was, but they were there.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: The woman was not trying to hit them.
[SPEAKER_05]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_05]: Whoever she was she was their perpendicular had the window down.
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't know whether she was trying to communicate with them or not.
[SPEAKER_05]: They approached one of the officers grabs her window sill with his left hand and grabs her door handle as though he's trying to open her door with his right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: At that point, she turns her wheels and drives off or attempts to drive in.
[SPEAKER_13]: She turns them away from the ice agents, not towards them.
[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly, very important detail and then they shoot her at point blank range and kill her through the window.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep
[SPEAKER_05]: Now, our friend Dino Baudela, who's been here, Dean, another member of our legal bar here at the politics bar, put out a message on his social media platforms earlier.
[SPEAKER_05]: And he says, note, DOJ's own website tells federal officers, quote, deadly force may not be used solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect end quote.
[SPEAKER_05]: Dean also says, and I quote, firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles end quote.
[SPEAKER_05]: What that ice officer did from the information that we all have was 100% illegal.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was just like the murder of George Floyd.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_05]: A murder, and we all saw it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to talk to Glenn Kirchner here.
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll find out if this actually qualifies legally as a murder.
[SPEAKER_05]: Of course, we also want to ask Glenn about some of these other legal actions where Donald Trump is just doing whatever they hell he thinks he can.
[SPEAKER_05]: But, and we're going to see if Glenn knows a few ways that we can fight back against these monsters.
[SPEAKER_05]: The empire is here, and we are the resistance folks.
[SPEAKER_05]: You got to buck up folks, get your drink freshened up.
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll get you laugh in a little bit later.
[SPEAKER_05]: Bob Cesska will be in, we always laugh with Bob.
[SPEAKER_05]: We usually laugh with Gwen too, but look.
[SPEAKER_05]: Fresh and open drink, Ducha Cannon, it's Wednesday night, Jody and I are here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're glad to be here with you.
[SPEAKER_10]: I am.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wednesday night here at the politics bar, we have the exact right person we need for all of this mission guests tonight.
[SPEAKER_05]: The one the only red cursor.
[SPEAKER_05]: We can actually probably do a whole two hours with you tonight alone, just because of all of the ridiculousness going on.
[SPEAKER_05]: We mentioned not too long before you got here in the bar.
[SPEAKER_05]: We know earlier this afternoon, you were talking with Dino Badal and we mentioned what Dean said earlier about what the federal laws say, but from all of the different videos and all the things that you've seen, with the shooting this ice monster shooting this
[SPEAKER_05]: This is the kind of thing you used to be in on, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, this is this is the kind of thing they would call you and down the hall.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hey, Glenn, you know, we need you in on this case.
[SPEAKER_05]: And are we wrong on that or?
[SPEAKER_08]: No, you know, sadly that was part of my responsibility.
[SPEAKER_08]: So I was a prosecutor for 30 years, but for 22 of those years, I handled murder cases in the courts of Washington, DC, including four years as the deputy chief of the homicide section in six years is the chief.
[SPEAKER_08]: of the homicide section, supervising all murder investigations and prosecutions.
[SPEAKER_08]: So we had another section in our office, my former office, that was the Civil Rights section.
[SPEAKER_08]: Now, sadly, the Civil Rights Enforcement is no longer a thing in Pam Bondi's Department of Justice.
[SPEAKER_08]: But what the civil rights section would do is when there were allegations of excessive forced by police officers resulting in injury, they would open an investigation and see whether the officers might have acted criminally or appropriately, right?
[SPEAKER_08]: Right.
[SPEAKER_08]: Now, the overwhelming majority of those cases didn't involve fatal excessive force, fatal shootings.
[SPEAKER_05]: They just didn't like the George Floyd case.
[SPEAKER_08]: Now, with somebody who, you know, maybe a police officer beat a suspect who is in hand cuffs, sadly, see things like that happen from time to time.
[SPEAKER_08]: So, but there was a small percentage of the case that were, you know, police involved fatal shootings.
[SPEAKER_08]: And the way I would get involved is the people in the prosecutors in the civil rights section weren't homicide folks.
[SPEAKER_08]: They were investigating civil rights cases.
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, Glenn, you're a homicide guy, you know, for example, what the autopsy reports actually tell us, and so I would, I would get myself involved.
[SPEAKER_08]: They would invite me to be involved, and I would weigh in.
[SPEAKER_08]: I would give them my opinion based on my experience, whether what I was seeing was a legitimate use of force or was perhaps murder, because there was no legal defense that the police
[SPEAKER_08]: what was revealed in the investigation.
[SPEAKER_08]: Now, we talked about this a couple of times on air.
[SPEAKER_08]: And since then, I've seen now three camera angles were initially, I had only seen one.
[SPEAKER_08]: And so, first of all, let me set out the law and the basics when it comes.
[SPEAKER_08]: Because that's a way of solving a certain involved and deadly force.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, what we said, what we said from Dean and I want to make sure because we didn't hear when you were with Dean earlier, we know you're talking about Brian Tyler Cohen, either say hi to the boys when we see them next by the way.
[SPEAKER_05]: And because we both would love to have them here, we've had Dean here before anyway.
[SPEAKER_05]: Dean said earlier, he said that the DOJ's manual says that deadly force may not be used solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect.
[SPEAKER_05]: He also said firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles.
[SPEAKER_05]: true on both cases.
[SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_08]: So if I see a suspect fleeing in a vehicle, and I'm a police officer, I can't just take shots at it as it's driving away, hoping to stop the bad guy from getting away.
[SPEAKER_08]: No.
[SPEAKER_05]: So let's say you're talking to a mobster.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's in his car.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's got the window down.
[SPEAKER_05]: You don't necessarily know that he's a mobster, but he's there.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then you say something.
[SPEAKER_05]: He says something and he decides to pull away.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is it okay to shoot him to
[SPEAKER_08]: You can only exercise deadly force if you are in at immediate risk of serious bodily injury or death or a third party is in imminent risk of serious bodily injury or death if a bad guy is about to shoot a member of the community I as the police officer can take them out why.
[SPEAKER_08]: because a third party is at imminent risk of serious bodily injury or death.
[SPEAKER_08]: Now, I can't shoot to stop a fleeing vehicle, but if I am standing in front of a vehicle and that vehicle is accelerating right at me, what am I?
[SPEAKER_08]: What am I?
[SPEAKER_08]: I am an Indian press of serious bodily injury or death, and I can a vehicle can be a weapon.
[SPEAKER_08]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you're standing next to the vehicle, whether you're standing in the left for a quarter panel, or the left for a quarter panel?
[SPEAKER_08]: Can't shoot at an unarmed motorist if you're standing to the side of the vehicle, and the vehicle is trying to handle it.
[SPEAKER_08]: Can't exercise deadly force.
[SPEAKER_08]: Because it all goes back to that principle.
[SPEAKER_08]: If you or a member of the community are at imminent risk of death or serious bodily injury, you can exercise lethal force.
[SPEAKER_08]: Protect against that risk.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's where we are.
[SPEAKER_05]: Listen, no, but this, this is all important.
[SPEAKER_05]: We all know that we're going to get more angles because we are, you know, door cameras.
[SPEAKER_05]: And obviously there were other phone angles.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to get this.
[SPEAKER_05]: Can I add this stuff in, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I have to admit this Glenn.
[SPEAKER_05]: I, I got to admit this.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't trust the federal government under the Trump regime right now and further than I can throw them.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I do in general.
[SPEAKER_05]: trust I trust Keith Ellison and Minnesota and and I generally trust manyapolis Jacob Fry the mayor there and and their folks there yeah I got some issues with the MPD but I mean look the George Floyd case was hard.
[SPEAKER_05]: But in the end, there was some accountability for the folks who murdered George Floyd.
[SPEAKER_08]: Wasn't hard based on the evidence, though it was murder.
[SPEAKER_08]: I watched that, that eight minutes and 46 seconds.
[SPEAKER_08]: That was so much.
[SPEAKER_05]: Unfortunately, said it.
[SPEAKER_08]: Unfortunately, that was prosecuted both in state court and in federal court.
[SPEAKER_08]: Now here, the calculus is a little different because these are federal officers.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I want to talk about in which
[SPEAKER_08]: for them, right?
[SPEAKER_08]: Which jurisdiction this state land in court if it lands in court?
[SPEAKER_08]: Please do let us know what I need to add to the self-defense mix.
[SPEAKER_08]: The law of self-defense generally, now mind you, every state has its own version and every state's statute when it comes to murder and when it comes to self-defense has been interpreted by the state by the state courts of appeal.
[SPEAKER_08]: So you
[SPEAKER_08]: 50 different rules and laws and precedent, but they're all generally the same.
[SPEAKER_08]: They're all quite similar.
[SPEAKER_08]: So in this fact, there's into what we see on those three camera angles.
[SPEAKER_08]: You don't get to exercise deadly force to repel an attack
[SPEAKER_08]: if you can simply step out of the way to avoid the deadly force.
[SPEAKER_08]: So I tried so many dang murder cases in DC that the instructions the judge gives in the self defense arena is if you can literally step back,
[SPEAKER_08]: to avoid having to exercise deadly force?
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, then it's not a good shoot.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's not a legitimate self-defense claim.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's literally in the jury instructions that judges will give to jurors in DC.
[SPEAKER_08]: If you can simply step back to avoid.
[SPEAKER_08]: Now, it's slightly different when it comes to law enforcement if they're trying to affectuate a legitimate arrest.
[SPEAKER_08]: But you know, it's very complicated and that's why we have things like qualified immunity and that will get us that was that You're going to ask him about that, Jody because I mean there is qualified immunity and I think some of it needs to go away But well, no, and I didn't disagree on that.
[SPEAKER_05]: So what what where does qualified immunity fit in on this, Glenn?
[SPEAKER_05]: Here's where it fits in also for those people who don't know what qualified immunity is and you give him like the you know five second on it.
[SPEAKER_08]: OK, I want to give you first a non-police, non-criminal example of it, which I think you're really understandable to everybody.
[SPEAKER_08]: OK.
[SPEAKER_08]: If I'm an IRS agent, and I'm doing my job legitimately, I'm just trying to enforce the tax laws of the country, and I'm trying to make sure taxpayers aren't taking bullet deductions.
[SPEAKER_12]: Right, so it makes sense.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm sitting in my cubicle.
[SPEAKER_08]: I probably hate my life because who would want to do it?
[SPEAKER_08]: And I find that some taxpayer obviously took a deduction to which they were not entitled and it's my job to contact them and say listen, you're not entitled to do this so you need to pay a little bit more in taxes.
[SPEAKER_08]: And can you imagine if every agreed taxpayer could drag me into court and make me spend all of my days litigating the issue, whether I should get to do that as an IRS audit or that's unworkable.
[SPEAKER_08]: our federal government can't operate that way.
[SPEAKER_08]: So what we do is the local government employees, some, some amount of immunity against that.
[SPEAKER_08]: And here is the test.
[SPEAKER_08]: If you're acting within the scope of your official duties as a government employee or official, well, then you're going to enjoy some immunity against being sued, right?
[SPEAKER_08]: Now, let's translate that into the law enforcement context.
[SPEAKER_08]: If you're acting the way a law enforcement officer is expected and entitled to act, right?
[SPEAKER_08]: Well then you're probably going to be immune from prosecution because if everybody who gets locked up, could say, I don't like what you did to me, I'm now going to sue you for putting handcuffs on me and sticking me in a squad car.
[SPEAKER_08]: And then we'll make the police spend all day every day in court being suit.
[SPEAKER_08]: No, we give them some immunity, right?
[SPEAKER_08]: Right.
[SPEAKER_08]: But if they engage in excessive force and it's a crime, it's not just one of those close calls where, you know, maybe you kind of pushed the guy who's handcuffed trying to get him into the squad car and he bumped his shoulder.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm not trying to be smart, Alaky, and I'm not trying to go back to Donald Trump.
[SPEAKER_05]: But it has to be banged there.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then it's at the door.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I might qualify immunity has degrees as you could, you can, you could be, you know, hey, did you, was it, was it realistic for you to actually need to use your gun?
[SPEAKER_05]: Could you have done to the things like you were saying the judge said, could you have just simply taken one step back and made yourself safe?
[SPEAKER_08]: It's very nuanced and it is intensely fact specific, you know, so that's why we need every camera angle.
[SPEAKER_08]: We need to know, you know, how many rounds were fired.
[SPEAKER_08]: Now we've seen that it looks like that office, first of all, the car seemed to be pulling away from the officer, not headed toward the officer, and the officer wasn't struck.
[SPEAKER_08]: And the officer took one step,
[SPEAKER_08]: to the side and avoid, and avoid it any injury at all.
[SPEAKER_08]: That holler's my opinion that this does not look like a particularly good shoot, legitimate shoot justified shoot to me.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's what has to happen.
[SPEAKER_08]: God, Jody, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_13]: From what I gathered with the angle where you can kind of see what was going on versus the distant one, the guy that was that stepped away from the vehicle wasn't the shooter.
[SPEAKER_13]: I've been closer to the camera that was the show.
[SPEAKER_08]: Me, you know, I've seen so many different angles.
[SPEAKER_08]: I thought it was the person on the driver side who was a shooter.
[SPEAKER_08]: Then it looked like the person who was at the front of the vehicle, who stepped out of the way.
[SPEAKER_08]: I haven't studied all the videos enough to reach a definitive conclusion.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's one of the things, too.
[SPEAKER_05]: The we all should be paying attention as far as that goes.
[SPEAKER_05]: But you're saying that just in the initial hours after the event,
[SPEAKER_05]: The evidence that is publicly available does not look like this is something that they should have done.
[SPEAKER_05]: And even if, even if they violated the idea of we're going to disable a moving vehicle to get them to stop them from going away, could they have shot at the tires?
[SPEAKER_05]: to make the vehicle stop.
[SPEAKER_05]: Could they have shot, in other words, did they absolutely have to shoot at the person?
[SPEAKER_08]: No.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm not going to pretend to know what the Minnesota law enforcement SOPs and regulations say every law enforcement agent.
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, you can't, you know, you can't shoot to injure.
[SPEAKER_08]: That is universal.
[SPEAKER_08]: Right.
[SPEAKER_08]: Or if you are confronted with circumstances that entitle you lawfully to discharge your service, weapon to fire your gun, they're taught you shoot to stop, you shoot centermen kill, not so much shoot to kill, you stop, you shoot to stop the threat.
[SPEAKER_05]: is what you do, which is.
[SPEAKER_08]: You're not like, hey, let's just try to wing them.
[SPEAKER_08]: Let's try to shoot them in the foot.
[SPEAKER_08]: No, that's not the way it works.
[SPEAKER_08]: If you're entitled to shoot, then you're entitled to shoot to stop the threat whenever.
[SPEAKER_05]: But in most jurisdictions where you've dealt with stuff, regardless of whether it was DC, Virginia, or Maryland, or elsewhere in the country,
[SPEAKER_05]: You can't disable.
[SPEAKER_08]: You can get forced to disable vehicles.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: And if you're looking on that that degree list that we're kind of talking about here, you would say that most judges would say look disabling first disabled first before you go to center mass before.
[SPEAKER_08]: But I have to say in fast moving circumstances, where officers are upon a car assuming they're acting in a legitimate law enforcement capacity.
[SPEAKER_08]: apparently just a citizen who is doing nothing wrong and was trying to pull away.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know, again, I don't know the most.
[SPEAKER_08]: Did they have an arrest warrant for her?
[SPEAKER_08]: I doubt it, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_08]: We don't know.
[SPEAKER_08]: But here is how we can best illustrate that you can act to disable a vehicle.
[SPEAKER_08]: Rumble strips.
[SPEAKER_08]: When there are, we don't just shoot at the car as it's going by, we're not entitled to.
[SPEAKER_08]: We throw rumble strips down, blow out the tires, box them in, we don't shoot at vehicles.
[SPEAKER_08]: But if an officer safety is an imminent risk of death or serious bodily injury or a member of the community, then you get to fire, so it's complicated.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_05]: But it's important, I think, that people understand how complicated all of this is.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm very glad that Mayor Jacob Fry has said that, you know, we need peace.
[SPEAKER_05]: We need peace.
[SPEAKER_05]: We need to figure all this out.
[SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, to my mind, at least,
[SPEAKER_05]: This does not look like it looks like the ice monsters did the thing that Jacob Fry and that Governor Walls and they were all warning because of the way that the ice monsters have acted in other parts of the country that this kind of thing would happen and it kind of looks like maybe it did.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we've got so many other legal questions and we've got other topics beyond this blend.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like we said, you know, we could have you here for literally two or three hours, which I would not mind.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's a busy man.
[SPEAKER_04]: Can we get you a PAPS tier and then we'll hang you around for another round?
[SPEAKER_08]: I can always use a PAPS.
[SPEAKER_05]: see we even know your drink here at the politics bar because that's just how we are guys we will be back with Glenn Kirchner we're going to get a little bit more of the details on this and a few of the other legal issues that are out there because Lord knows we all need those fresh in your drink do what you got to do if you got to go down the hall left right and center hey you know we say we aim to please your politics bar you aim to please joty me and Glenn will be right back hang on
[SPEAKER_10]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wednesday night here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_05]: We know, tensions have been high today, but look, this is why we bring in our friends who also conveniently happen to be brilliant experts and great people.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like Glenn Kirchner, who was here hanging out with Jody and I on this Wednesday evening.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, Glenn, you think that they will get some charges thrown at this ice person, actually, at least you hold them down for a little while and figure out what's going on.
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, look, I, I, I,
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't think there's a chance in hell that the federal law enforcement authorities cash-patel or Pam Bondi would have any appetite to even legitimately investigate this never mind prosecute this guy.
[SPEAKER_08]: And then we all know if he was prosecuted federally, he would get pardoned anyway.
[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, Donald Trump, first of all, is a general principle.
[SPEAKER_08]: Donald Trump doesn't back the blue.
[SPEAKER_08]: Donald Trump backs those who beat the blue, but when the blue does wrong, when the blue overreaches, then he's got the blue easy all day long.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, you're you're helping.
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't.
[SPEAKER_08]: We don't.
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't.
[SPEAKER_08]: We don't.
[SPEAKER_08]: We don
[SPEAKER_08]: We'll bring charges if they believe the evidence warns, charges being brought, but that's only the start of the process because the federal officers who are going to alleged, we were engaged in our legitimate federal duties, that course.
[SPEAKER_08]: Gope of those duties, so they will try to remove the case, transfer the case from state court.
[SPEAKER_08]: into federal court.
[SPEAKER_08]: Remember when Donald Trump tried to do that in New York, he was being prosecuted by Alvin Bragg, the DA's office on state charges.
[SPEAKER_08]: He tried to remove a transfer at the federal court and interestingly, Judge Alvin Hellerstein, who's back in the news meeting, fighting over the Maduro case, said, no, sport, you're not going to bring this case into federal court.
[SPEAKER_08]: You're going back to state court.
[SPEAKER_08]: New York, you can have any
[SPEAKER_05]: Speaking of hellerstein and maduro and of course the insurrection we've got questions on all of those um I suppose Well, what do you think about the insurrection stuff do you think we can actually go after some of these I mean you know It's gonna be at least what year-and-a-half maybe let's say Democrats win house and maybe the Senate But anywhere between year-and-a-half and two-and-a-half years before we good people get back in can we still go after these monsters?
[SPEAKER_05]: Can we go after Trump can we go after?
[SPEAKER_08]: No, that's a little even for this aggressive ol' prosecutor, you're not going to go after somebody's censure.
[SPEAKER_08]: I did prosecute somebody in absentia from his hospital bed when he starved himself into incapacitation so he couldn't be brought into the courtroom, but that's not a story.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's another story, actually the first off walls made a movie about that case, it's called George Town.
[SPEAKER_08]: But anyway, but I digress.
[SPEAKER_08]: So here is the good news.
[SPEAKER_08]: There really is good news because I think we forget, because we see a corrupt Supreme Court who granted a criminal president immunity against prosecution for victimizing the
[SPEAKER_08]: There were two criminal cases federal cases pending against Donald Trump before it all went south and he got reelected.
[SPEAKER_08]: One was the classified documents case in Florida.
[SPEAKER_08]: Now, yes, Judge Aileen Cannon, illegitimate bias judge that she is, dismissed it without any basis in fact or law.
[SPEAKER_08]: But the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals was in the process of litigating the,
[SPEAKER_08]: the righteousness of that dismissal, and I believe that my core, they would have reversed her, and they would have earned it for a trial, right?
[SPEAKER_08]: But it had to stop.
[SPEAKER_08]: Why?
[SPEAKER_08]: Because Donald Trump got reelected and the DOJ says you can't promise.
[SPEAKER_08]: All the stuff that Jack Smith has to think of as a hearsay case is not done.
[SPEAKER_08]: that case is not done.
[SPEAKER_08]: We can go right back to where we were, we, you know, re-bring it and get it back on track more importantly.
[SPEAKER_08]: The J6 crimes, the four felony crimes Donald Trump was indicted on.
[SPEAKER_08]: Now, yes, the Supreme Court said, well, a president has immunity for for core constitutional functions like directing the military or for official presidential acts, he gets what's called presumptive immunity,
[SPEAKER_08]: or private acts like acts of a candidate trying to unlawfully retain the power of the presidency.
[SPEAKER_08]: He doesn't have any immunity.
[SPEAKER_08]: Where were we in that case when it all went south?
[SPEAKER_08]: Judge Chuck and had that case and she was litigating to issue of whether it could proceed the trial and she would have ruled, I believe, to my core.
[SPEAKER_08]: Of course it can proceed to trial.
[SPEAKER_08]: He's a constitutional functions of a president trying to launch an angry attack on the U.S. Capitol to steal an election that he lost, so that case can also be revived.
[SPEAKER_08]: So listen, this ain't over by a long shot.
[SPEAKER_08]: Now I am not promising that these cases will be re-bought or will be successful if they are re-bought, but the ball game ain't over.
[SPEAKER_08]: We're on pause.
[SPEAKER_08]: Love, love, love, do you hear that?
[SPEAKER_13]: But those that have been already pardoned they're pardoned forever.
[SPEAKER_08]: Most, I can't be polyana about that.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't see a way to undo those, but he's a great point because here's what I do see.
[SPEAKER_08]: These corruptly delivered pardon's when, if Donald Trump basically sold them, or if Donald Trump pardoned people to win their silence because they could incriminate him, just what I would do if I were A.G. for a day.
[SPEAKER_08]: I would challenge those partners and I would push the judiciary to say, are you are you telling the people that our system of government allows a president to use a pardon for a co-conspirator to So you can challenge partners in court.
[SPEAKER_05]: They are not invaluable.
[SPEAKER_05]: You can challenge them.
[SPEAKER_08]: Right.
[SPEAKER_08]: You can challenge them.
[SPEAKER_08]: Maybe not successfully.
[SPEAKER_08]: But so I think there are circumstances where as just a preservation of the rule of law, you should challenge.
[SPEAKER_08]: Now, the 1600 partings of the insurrectionists I put in a different category.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't see a viable way to challenge them.
[SPEAKER_08]: I wish I did.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't want to be polyann about it.
[SPEAKER_08]: But I do think as a matter of principle, you have to push the courts on some of these parts.
[SPEAKER_08]: And if the courts want to ultimately conclude, yes, Donald Trump can use partens to buy the silence of his co-conspirators.
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, then we need to get rid of the Supreme Court and get new justices.
[SPEAKER_08]: If that's really what they're telling, we need to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, this is my personal day.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, with regard to the alleged January 6th bomber, is he technically pardoned?
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, he's going to make that argument and it will come down to, you know, you have to look at the exact language of the partens that were delivered to the 1600 to the group of 1600 insurrectionists.
[SPEAKER_08]: I think the prevailing wisdom, I haven't studied the issue, but I think the prevailing wisdom is the language doesn't include the pipe bombs that were planted outside the RNC in the BNC.
[SPEAKER_08]: But he will certainly make that argument.
[SPEAKER_13]: I would if I were him.
[SPEAKER_05]: There.
[SPEAKER_05]: Agreed.
[SPEAKER_05]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we've covered a lot of those.
[SPEAKER_05]: Of course, obviously, there is the imperialism that we're talking about.
[SPEAKER_05]: And obviously, we've got some great pieces today in the news on Tap on Trump's imperialism, which, as you know, I mean, you know, you are also a scholar of history as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: imperialism is what led to world war one in world war two it is what's steven miller has been spouting especially when he was on here the other day with uh... jay tapper he's just a jackass about these kind of things but that's that is the kind of thing and there's a really good piece in there also by Elizabeth Spears that talks about how this is the way that new york real estate operates in very a very imperialistic way
[SPEAKER_05]: So at least for Donald, maybe not for the people around him, but for Donald.
[SPEAKER_05]: Eh, this is how we just, oh, I want to take that from Venezuela.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's mine.
[SPEAKER_05]: I want to take Greenland first of all, like with this 30 to 50 barrels of oil or whatever, and million barrels of oil.
[SPEAKER_05]: He can't just take that and get the money himself and do it out.
[SPEAKER_04]: Am I wrong?
[SPEAKER_04]: Is this constitutionally like you can't do that as the president?
[SPEAKER_04]: That's not yours to do.
[SPEAKER_08]: the victors go the spoils.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's Donald Trump's attitude.
[SPEAKER_08]: And to be honest, I don't even think for Donald Trump personally, it's necessarily about oil.
[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, he's happy to pillage whatever he can from other countries that can't stand up to U.S. power.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a quick waving contest.
[SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, you put it more succinctly than I would have.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll tell you where my barber is because she's actually closer to you, she's the one that said that yesterday.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, no, it is he has long to be a dictator.
[SPEAKER_08]: He's so admires Putin and Kim Jong-un and he wants to collect up countries that he's talking about Colombia.
[SPEAKER_08]: He's talking about Cuba.
[SPEAKER_08]: He's talking about Greenland.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I believe that he wants to break apart NATO.
[SPEAKER_08]: He's made no secret of his low-loathing of NATO.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and you know, I, goodness, if he tries to take NATO, does Article 5 actually get used against us, it's worry, I mean, this is insane, and you know, will the Republicans ever care that he's completely destroying not only American democracy, but a sort of safe and secure world order that we've worked so hard to put in place?
[SPEAKER_08]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: The whole point of a world that is in a rules-based order that we figured out post-World War II was that the imperialism that we had before the 20th century caused by some estimates over a hundred million deaths and literally trillions of dollars in wealth lost.
[SPEAKER_08]: Donald Trump wants to top that death toll.
[SPEAKER_08]: He wants to beat the best.
[SPEAKER_08]: Did you see the little glee in the, in the, in the, in the lilt in his voice when he said we killed a lot of people have been as well as he did.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, sorry.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm sorry to say it was a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was sickening.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's a sickening.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_05]: We had, we had in Dr. Jeffrey Grammer here last night who you may want to talk to if you're looking at somebody who knows some medical things about psychology and that kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_08]: way of thinking and they just and all like the narcissist and I wish that's I'm no mental health expert but he enjoys the suffering of others and now that he has the power to cause it well he's in his element is you know he's getting a social path he is dangerous yeah
[SPEAKER_08]: And so are the people around him, like Steven Miller, and it would take a handful of Republicans in Congress to bring an end to his reign of terror.
[SPEAKER_08]: Just a hand, we get the mass scarara guy, JV fans, I call him JV fans because he'll never make varsity, but you know, we get, we get that guy.
[SPEAKER_08]: We get that, but you know what, I'll take him over Donald, and then we'll contend with that devil.
[SPEAKER_05]: Look, all we have to do is get him a nice couch and he'll be busy for it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sean Louise.
[SPEAKER_05]: So are just saying, you know, his, he always used to say his girlfriend was from Davenport.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_05]: She wasn't in the mind.
[SPEAKER_08]: Can I quote my favorite line ever from our friend, John Fugal saying, Sure.
[SPEAKER_08]: I will not make fun of his of JD Vance's preferences.
[SPEAKER_08]: If he wants to be a sectional, sexual, so be it.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_05]: We have some great friends.
[SPEAKER_05]: We have some great friends among all of us and this is one of the things this is one of the reasons why we're super glad to have you on.
[SPEAKER_05]: We had Malcolm on before the break and Malcolm was telling us even then that there were people on the ground in Venezuela, we knew it and sure enough.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, uh,
[SPEAKER_05]: It's great to have really brilliant friends who know what's going on, but we know that not everybody does, so it's, you know, we're really glad that everybody's here and able to come back.
[SPEAKER_05]: Gotta ask, since, you know, we've been talking business most of the time, how was your holiday break?
[SPEAKER_05]: Since we haven't seen seasons before the holiday break.
[SPEAKER_08]: holiday break was heaven because I had we had our six kids in our four grandkids all under one roof nice not happen often we have one grandchild up in Boston so that to me is pure heaven I'll tell you what it did drive home for me though Sean is that I kind of wish this is not what I had to do in my retirement when I retired from the apartment of justice this was not on my bingo card I got to be you know
[SPEAKER_08]: just enjoying the kids and the grandkids and dabbling and maybe true crime.
[SPEAKER_08]: I thought maybe I'd be a poor man's date line doing shows about my crime, my prosecutions.
[SPEAKER_08]: But no, now we're all fighting for it every day.
[SPEAKER_08]: We're fighting for those who can't.
[SPEAKER_08]: We're fighting for it.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we're helping inform you, this is they can fight better.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, none of us, I don't get anything to do this.
[SPEAKER_08]: But this is what we are called to do.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we got to hell with the team to do it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Glenn, we are so grateful to have you here as a member of our legal bar at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_05]: Can we get you back here in another maybe two, three weeks and hopefully it'll be a little little bit more calming.
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe we'll talk about some criminal stuff.
[SPEAKER_08]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_13]: I never rest with the hell.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hey, poor man, we love you, Glenn.
[SPEAKER_05]: We will pass on your hello's to Bob Cesca when he comes in next hour.
[SPEAKER_05]: Glenn, thank you as always.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thanks guys very being with you great being with you to tell Brian hello I know you're gonna do more stuff with him later this evening, so have fun with that We actually have to do a drink of the day a little bit later this evening We are Bob Cesca coming in.
[SPEAKER_05]: We have more from the news on tap.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a busy Wednesday night fresh in your drink and come on back hang on
[SPEAKER_11]: Poledico!
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't think it's a faraway one!
[SPEAKER_09]: Poledico!
[SPEAKER_09]: Shotsmith Pearson, Jodie Hamilton!
[SPEAKER_13]: Hello, Jodie!
[SPEAKER_13]: Hola!
[SPEAKER_13]: Hola, come on start!
[SPEAKER_13]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's been a long year already.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this week has been a long year.
[SPEAKER_05]: I will definitely agree with you and with Stephanie who said that this morning.
[SPEAKER_05]: Although this morning seems like it was about two days ago.
[SPEAKER_05]: I know.
[SPEAKER_05]: At least this wasn't the one of those days where you're doing, you know, 3,280 shows.
[SPEAKER_05]: True.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is Wednesday.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, big thanks by the way to everybody who was listening to us on all of our great radio affiliates, wherever you happen to be in the country, whether that is Georgia now, radio in Atlanta or WCPT, AMA, 20 Chicago, maybe you were listening on AM-950 Minneapolis Saint Paul, or G2, we're talking Tennessee, or progressive voices radio, we're a wide, whatever you happen to be, or maybe you are listening on the podcast, you're one of those.
[SPEAKER_05]: future people and we appreciate that out of you too.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Can neatly I'm at a bar, so that works out.
[SPEAKER_13]: It does, doesn't it?
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm hoping I have not heard anything more tonight, Jody.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if you've heard any more about the folks of Minneapolis, mostly they've been peaceful, but I mean, not much going to hit soon.
[SPEAKER_13]: Luckily it's cold out, so less people will probably be outside.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right, exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: And look, for those of you who are listening, it's nights where you are, it's night Minneapolis, maybe.
[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, especially if it's like midnight, no, you ain't going out.
[SPEAKER_05]: We get that week.
[SPEAKER_13]: The stay-home kids, if you can, just be safe.
[SPEAKER_05]: I out for the guys like umbrella men when I used to work for Randy we went over that a bunch of times and I remember Randy went over it again and again and again and until the mainstream media picked it up About the guy who went up to that auto zone and took the umbrella and broke out the windows and tried to blame protesters We all knew that it wasn't because somebody else on their phone was like dude.
[SPEAKER_05]: What are you doing breaking the windows, man?
[SPEAKER_05]: So y'all have been Minneapolis Saint Paul, keep your eyes out for umbrella men because you know how to protest peacefully, we don't need none of that up in here.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, I mean, apparently it already happened this afternoon with a flag being burned and Katie whoever was on the ground for MS now.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, the guy on the ground and the reporter was talking about, yeah, somebody burned in American flag and one of the people that was there.
[SPEAKER_13]: He said, no, no, no, that guy burned it and split.
[SPEAKER_13]: He's not a part of what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: He ain't one of us, you know, make sure that you, you know, wherever you protest and make sure you do it peacefully.
[SPEAKER_05]: Look, some law enforcement is crap, but other folks ain't other folks just out there doing their job trying to keep everybody safe.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, all righty.
[SPEAKER_05]: Speaking of criminals and cops and things.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was thirsty.
[SPEAKER_05]: I am thirsty.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's do the drink of the day before Bob gets here because Bob will be here just a little bit here Mr. Bob says coming in.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, Johnny, what is the drink of the day today?
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not even going to play around a little bit.
[SPEAKER_13]: The drink of the day today is the Hota National Cocktail, which is inspired by Meyer Landsky, who is my mom, accountant, who fled Cuba today in 1959.
[SPEAKER_05]: January 7th, 1959, before, of course, Castro came in, literally, like, what, like, minute before, yeah, it was like, right down, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: But it's, it's always been one of those interesting things, Cuba as a whole is interesting.
[SPEAKER_05]: I've had several people I've know, some of that might, my professional cartoonist friends I know used to go down to Cuba.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they would have a little thing down there and said, I mean, there's some fantastic Cuban people on you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Some great Cuban people when I was down in South Florida.
[SPEAKER_05]: There are some really great Cuban people.
[SPEAKER_05]: Politics is a little bit different from everything that was generated from all of that back then.
[SPEAKER_05]: And to now.
[SPEAKER_05]: But the fact of the matter is Lansky, he was a mobster.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, his crimes pretty simple.
[SPEAKER_05]: He was a mobster, he was a gangster.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love the history that you got to hear today that he was an immigrant from Poland.
[SPEAKER_05]: And his childhood friends happen to be a couple of guys whose names, well, a lot of people generally, you know, remember when it comes to the mob, bugsy seagull and lucky Luciano.
[SPEAKER_13]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_13]: That's how he became a mob accountant.
[SPEAKER_05]: When you're good, when you're good with numbers of those of your friends, yeah, you're probably going to end up being a mob again.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's how that goes.
[SPEAKER_05]: But he did always like Cuba.
[SPEAKER_13]: Look, I mean, the mob left Cuba.
[SPEAKER_05]: Cuba is a very interesting place.
[SPEAKER_05]: The hotel nationality aisle still still exists until nationality Cuba.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's still there.
[SPEAKER_05]: One of a few places, I guess, at the government, there are put some money into.
[SPEAKER_05]: But it's, you know, the the whole story is interesting.
[SPEAKER_05]: You guys should read that at the drink of the day at the politics bar.com.
[SPEAKER_05]: Joe, what is in a hotel nationality aisle?
[SPEAKER_05]: Cottale.
[SPEAKER_13]: Okay, you're going to need a shaker, pre-chilled Nicanora glass or a coupe glass, whatever you get, something cute, some ice, two ounces of rum, white rum, one ounce, basically the idea is an ounce, each of white rum and an ounce of gold rum, so.
[SPEAKER_05]: So not the dark room because that's going to try to taste right.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, you definitely don't want that because if it's a it's a heavier taste Definitely it's going to overcome everything else because this is a kind of a light drink an ounce of pineapple juice a half ounce of fresh lime juice a quarter ounce of apricot brandy and simple syrup which is optional
[SPEAKER_13]: you.
[SPEAKER_13]: I would like a little simple serve with that.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's going to be like a half teaspoon or something like that.
[SPEAKER_13]: I just squirt a little bit in it.
[SPEAKER_05]: But especially when you got the apricot, you're definitely not going to want a dark room because that would definitely won't taste those will clash with each other taste wise.
[SPEAKER_13]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_13]: So what you do is you add all the ingredients into the shaker.
[SPEAKER_13]: You shake it until cold and you strain it into your glass.
[SPEAKER_13]: So it's simple to make.
[SPEAKER_05]: That simple, easy, tasteful and look, you know, we got to say this just because, you know, this is, you know, some people will be like, you guys are left, do you like criminals?
[SPEAKER_05]: No, look.
[SPEAKER_05]: Stay away from the mob.
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't do illegal things.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, watch your money.
[SPEAKER_05]: Be smart about it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, come on, people.
[SPEAKER_05]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're not, you know, we're not in a criminals.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, we're not.
[SPEAKER_13]: Lord, you know.
[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: Look, if you missed any part of the drink of the day, you know what to do.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's only $6 a month.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's an expensive chip.
[SPEAKER_05]: Plenty of other news going on in the news on tap today.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we have been mentioning the imperialism of Donald Trump, both with the Neoconomore in Venezuela.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you missed it, the USC's their Russian flaged oil tanker today, the one they've been chasing for a couple of weeks, which is just stupid.
[SPEAKER_13]: And doesn't that have a Russian flag?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, that seems like it's I mean, I understand that they this is a sanctioned ship and I understand it's been sanctioned for years, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah still doesn't matter the relationship lag when ships are flagged because I worked for Liberian international who is a major flagging company I and I was in the Navy so I understand this.
[SPEAKER_05]: A ship can be owned by a group of a person from one nation, but a ship's flag, in common terminology, it's called, how is the ship flag?
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: It means what nation are you registered under?
[SPEAKER_05]: And that flag, it is similar to, for example, if you've got a consulate somewhere.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you are a consulate, the ground on which that consulate is is considered the land of that other nation.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: And if you go on to that ground and you do something that's illegal in their nation, they can prosecute you just like if you were over there, flags for ships are supposed to be the same way.
[SPEAKER_05]: So us, the U.S., taking over this Russian flag ship, and yes, people go, oh well, they change flags at sea.
[SPEAKER_05]: You can do that.
[SPEAKER_05]: That is part of international law.
[SPEAKER_05]: You can change flags at sea.
[SPEAKER_05]: Us doing that is the same thing as us literally going on to the grounds of the Russian consulate and taking it over.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Big no no.
[SPEAKER_05]: Unless, of course, you know, Vlad's your boss and then probably not a big deal.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just saying, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we'll have to see how that shakes out.
[SPEAKER_05]: But the biggest thing about a lot of this
[SPEAKER_05]: When it comes to this, when it comes to the way that the Trump regime is trying to take over a freaking Greenland, which, what the, it's all imperialism.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's, I'm the king.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm the prince.
[SPEAKER_05]: I can do what I want.
[SPEAKER_05]: If I want that, oh, hey, Jodie, I like your drink.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to reach over here and take it.
[SPEAKER_13]: did you see the video of the guy who said he took over his neighbor's house and then he was going to take over his across the street neighbor and the guy that's kidding.
[SPEAKER_13]: It was so brilliant.
[SPEAKER_05]: There was Joe Joe from Jersey.
[SPEAKER_05]: She did a fantastic piece on her sub stack that basically was the same thing of I went over to my neighbor's house and I decided to dinner naked.
[SPEAKER_05]: Why?
[SPEAKER_05]: Because I wanted to.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, she's freaking brilliant.
[SPEAKER_03]: She really is.
[SPEAKER_05]: We got to get her bagger in the bar too.
[SPEAKER_05]: But although closed, I mean, some of you may enjoy that more than others, but I'm telling you, don't go naked through the bar.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just not a good thing to do.
[SPEAKER_05]: Look, you know, I, I think she's a tractor.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think you're attractive.
[SPEAKER_05]: Some people think I'm attractive, but the fact of the matter is, we are aware closed in the bar that's how it is.
[SPEAKER_05]: Do not streak, please.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you, just saying.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, there is other news that happens to be in the news on tap, as well some good news, actually, from the election land section down the fourth round.
[SPEAKER_05]: I Democrat security, Richmond area of Virginia State Senate seats, so that means the Democrats still have a super majority.
[SPEAKER_05]: We go plow through in Virginia here, y'all.
[SPEAKER_05]: definitely going to be doing some serious change in a few things, including felons getting their voting rights back, which held the goddamn, yeah, and now we absolutely need that, so that was a good thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: And down in Georgia, you folks listening on Georgia now, Georgia Governor Camp has set the date for the special election to fill Marjorie Taylor Grimes, a former seat, I believe it is March.
[SPEAKER_05]: Is that correct here, Jodie?
[SPEAKER_05]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, and I mean, it's a safe seat, so most likely it's going to go to a
[SPEAKER_05]: But at the same time, we have won so many special elections seriously.
[SPEAKER_05]: We have, so, ain't no reason to not contest.
[SPEAKER_05]: You realize this isn't even in the news on Tapiday, Jody.
[SPEAKER_05]: In Texas for the first time, and probably, I think it's 30, 35 years, every single house and Senate seats.
[SPEAKER_05]: And every single state seat in Texas is being contested by a Democrat.
[SPEAKER_05]: Every single American one.
[SPEAKER_05]: That time, y'all, we're.
[SPEAKER_05]: damn proud of you down in Texas for doing it.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we will have to uh... Talk to a night at that yeah exactly exactly that is that'll be a good thing to do honestly it is always good and we talked to our friends and the people in their corner of the universe is doing the kind of things that we want folks to be doing and that's why we've been telling you guys in in manyapolis we get it in the city y'all are pissed and rightfully so but
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, don't nobody knew nothing stupid because that would just be really really dumb and we would not like that would be oh, hey speaking Yeah, because here We'll go here Bob says good hello to bar here.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, I'm here segment of this hour.
[SPEAKER_05]: How are you doing here, Bob?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: I guess I'm just speaking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know all things.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just made that up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how I'm doing Most likely it's is the normal cynical pessimistic
[SPEAKER_05]: take on things yeah lots of reason you're not you are not you are not a an er you're not all of this sucks everything gonna be bad no not necessarily at least not in public
[SPEAKER_02]: private yeah all the time speaking speaking of of good things we're just talking about good things that our friends have going on congrats by the way do you and Mary you guys want an award for track politics right yes we did best themed podcast of twenty twenty five according to track movie dot com yeah such a a gigantic honor and and what makes it especially cool is I'm a fanboy of the all access star track podcast which originates from track movie dot com
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[SPEAKER_05]: The Trek politics is must-listen as well, which yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what they say.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I will take it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: No, the more people who are listening to Bob Sasker, the better we feel, which is good.
[SPEAKER_05]: So which is why we're going to ask you to stick around for, you know, the rest of the hour.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That sounds good.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's Wednesday night.
[SPEAKER_05]: We are in a brand new year, but our good old friend Bob Sasket is right here and we are going to be talking to him about all this crazy ass politics.
[SPEAKER_05]: All of the imperialism, maybe we'll see if he can bring out the coliope with the imperial march because God knows we know you have that somewhere.
[SPEAKER_05]: buried buried amongst your pockets here in the bar he's guy uh we will talk to him about that as well of course there is more news on tap if you haven't checked out the politics bar store you absolutely should you can get a t-shirt there or you can go to pop seska dot com and get a t-shirt from jodie there either way you can get t-shirts that have jodie on them in either place check that's right we were t-shirts should have jodie on them for sure exactly right back after we'd pay some bills at the politics bar
[SPEAKER_05]: It is Wednesday night here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_05]: You don't know what that means.
[SPEAKER_05]: You got it?
[SPEAKER_05]: The idea of a Bob, like, whoa.
[SPEAKER_05]: Ha ha ha ha.
[SPEAKER_05]: Bob says there's here hanging out with us on this Wednesday night.
[SPEAKER_05]: So how's your holiday break?
[SPEAKER_05]: Bob, do you do anything interesting?
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you take the the lights off the tree finally?
[SPEAKER_05]: We know Kim really does ask me to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, we did.
[SPEAKER_02]: We, yeah, we took that down.
[SPEAKER_02]: We probably do that the day after New Year's Day.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's our tradition.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because as you know, it's impossible to watch porn after you've had an orgasm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very so.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: After Christmas, he doesn't really have the same meaning after Christmas.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we just tear that thing down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm allowed to say that on the radio, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, I said Bob Louise.
[SPEAKER_05]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was good to take a break though.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was good to take a break.
[SPEAKER_05]: Although Jody and I kept bopping in.
[SPEAKER_05]: We did.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like throughout the entire break.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because we had best of stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: But then like we'd bopping.
[SPEAKER_05]: We do like a drink of the day.
[SPEAKER_05]: We had Jared in one evening.
[SPEAKER_05]: You had Karen Anita come in.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, that, that's what you do.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, we, people, people are there working.
[SPEAKER_05]: You had some great best of us as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: I caught them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did some live streams.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did two live streams on my Patreon, which is just so much fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the more I do them, the longer they get, like I did one of them.
[SPEAKER_05]: They can get your Patreon from popseska.com if I really work correctly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, or just patreon.com slash Bob Syska show.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the, that's pretty good there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, now that we're back and things are what the F has.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was...
[SPEAKER_05]: Wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, you know, we could just do this.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: It absolutely is the the clown imperial march.
[SPEAKER_03]: What the holy living f?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to remind.
[SPEAKER_03]: I went Venezuela.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I'm going to take the barrels of oil and they're going to give the money to me, but then they're not going to give it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will throw the money out to you.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The amazing thing is they believe that this is going to be just fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: That this isn't going to be another quagmire kind of situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: That this isn't going to destabilize regions or entire hemispheres.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's exactly what's going to happen if this continues.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I was talking about this with our friend Cliff Shector on my show today, which is that there is a, don't we?
[SPEAKER_13]: Yes, we do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we do.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yes, we do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what we were talking about today is there's a very small chance and I underscore a very small chance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That Donald gets bored and this just goes away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now that being said, there will be some sort of
[SPEAKER_02]: other kind of regime in charge of Venezuela, which is probably going to be no different no better than the Maduro regime.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we can count on that.
[SPEAKER_05]: But ultimately, basically, is the Maduro regime?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Other than he's been removed.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I've been mentioned in this, this, well, since yesterday.
[SPEAKER_05]: I got my haircut yesterday and my barber.
[SPEAKER_05]: She asked me, she asked me about the insurance stuff, you know, trying to help her out with that kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then she said, is this whole Venezuela thing?
[SPEAKER_05]: She's like, okay, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_05]: So let me get this straight.
[SPEAKER_05]: She says, it's not about the drugs because Donald freed the other, like, you know, central American leader that had the drug thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: And she, he'd done other drug guys, right, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: So I have a drug.
[SPEAKER_05]: And she said, well, it wasn't, she's not, not about the regime change because she says, they've kept everybody there except Adoro.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's the same regime.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then she says, well, what about the oil thing?
[SPEAKER_05]: And I said, well, the oil companies don't really want the oil, because for them to actually make oil from the oil that's inventing oil, first of all, right, exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: Judges, right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Not only is it bad oil,
[SPEAKER_05]: Custom 85, it would only be worth it for them to actually go get the oil if the price of oil was at $85 or above and it's around $60.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, no, that wouldn't.
[SPEAKER_04]: She says, so it's not about the oil.
[SPEAKER_04]: I said, no, and she just looks at me, takes a beat and she says, it's a prick waving contest.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't understand them.
[SPEAKER_04]: My barber, she's a nice girl, but she's not super versed in international politics and even she just looks at me.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's such a prick waving contest.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand the bad oil thing, because China is buying 80% of Venezuela's oil.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why would China buy bad oil at that volume?
[SPEAKER_05]: It depends on the kind of oil that you're looking for, the kind of oil that Venezuela has.
[SPEAKER_05]: There are two things about it, one of which is it is heavy thick crude, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Now there are only certain places in the United States and around the world that are set up to refine heavy-thicked crude.
[SPEAKER_05]: Conveniently for US oil corporations, those places happen to be around the Gulf of Mexico because that's where there's also heavy-thick crude.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, that's how that's exactly how you can describe Donald Trump heavy-thick crude.
[SPEAKER_02]: All those three, all three of those words apply.
[SPEAKER_05]: Bob is correct.
[SPEAKER_05]: But yes, that's the type of oil.
[SPEAKER_05]: The other thing about it is it's hard to get to.
[SPEAKER_05]: China has oil that they could get to as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: But it is almost as difficult to get to some of the oil in certain places in China as it is in Venezuela because of geography and territory.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the third thing is over the last basically 50 years to 100 years or so.
[SPEAKER_05]: The government, whatever governments have been there and then as well have screwed the hell out of private oil corporations.
[SPEAKER_05]: Not once, not twice, but three times the last time in 2010.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the oil corporation comes in and spends millions or billions.
[SPEAKER_05]: They set up refineries.
[SPEAKER_05]: They set up their stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: They do the digging.
[SPEAKER_05]: They put everything in the ground.
[SPEAKER_05]: They do all this.
[SPEAKER_05]: They get it already.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now we're about ready to make some money and the government comes in and says, mine and takes it over.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's happened three times.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the last one being back in 2010, private oil corporations are like, uh-uh, no, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm no, no.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right, I don't trust that at all.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, no, I mean taxpayers are gonna pay for them to do it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's what Donald says.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's, that's what, so if you're wondering what the issue is with the oil in Venezuela, that's why they don't want it.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's too expensive.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not the easy cheap stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: If it was light crude, if it was the light sweet crude,
[SPEAKER_05]: that is easily made into gasoline, it didn't cost less to refine it, not everybody would want it.
[SPEAKER_05]: And if it was easy to get to, maybe it's a big flat desert where it's not hard to get to.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's why they like that stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: But in Venezuela, you've got the terrain issues, you've got the government issues, and you've got the fact that the oil is just not that great of an oil.
[SPEAKER_05]: And in order for the oil corporations to make a profit, the
[SPEAKER_05]: price of oil worldwide has to be above basically about $85 and it's 60 and because of some of this crap, it's actually gone a little bit lower.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's going the wrong direction for the way that Donald Trump and his idiot regime wants it to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I think the, if you take oil off the table, I think what it boils down to is a couple of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: As we started the segment with, this is about imperialism, this is about, and it's beyond just, certainly there's an aspect of 19th century American imperialism, the expansion of American territory, manifest destiny, and so the Monroe Doctrine establishing spheres of influence, that's one aspect of it,
[SPEAKER_02]: bleeding into that or in fact he could create a just a like the venn diagram would be a circle because Donald Trump is also extremely interested in plastering his name on everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Trump wants and wants and wants.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wants to.
[SPEAKER_02]: acquire his own empire.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what the Kennedy Center thing is all about.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what the White House thing is all about, where he's festoining it with the gold crap and, you know, all this business of Donald Trump wanting to put his name on things goes back to the entire business model of the Trump organization where they license for his name and his brand on tap today that talks about Trump's mobile first model of foreign diplomacy talks about that his model of foreign diplomacy
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what it's entirely about and so because he's in this position to be able to do these things naturally He's going to avail himself himself of that and whatever fall out whatever blowback occurs He may end up being dead before that even happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think he he understands that He's a man who's getting closer and closer to the end so he wants to establish some kind of legacy and then
[SPEAKER_02]: I think on top of everything else, everything that I just mentioned, Venezuela and regime change in Venezuela has been part of Project 2025, so it was first authored.
[SPEAKER_02]: This whole idea that Donald Trump just went into Venezuela because he wants to distract from the Epstein files, to me is full-on BS.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a social media meme that everyone seems to want to repeat, but that's not the case at all because Project 2025 established this as an agenda item long before this resurrection of the Epstein files issue, with Donald Trump being president again.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we have to bear that in mind as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is not just about some kind of, it's like saying, yeah, Hitler invaded Poland in order to distract from what he was planning to do with the final solution and the Jew.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, this is imperialism, it's not a distraction, it's not downplay what's going on here because what he has done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Irrespective of what the motivation happens to be, is to disrupt global order.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is going to be, I mean, I think we're talking about a very realistic possibility that it's established between the United States, Russia and China, where we each divide the whole population into three parts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, this is, I mean, this is, this is little or fart little way.
[UNKNOWN]: I think of it.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, where you've got you Steven Miller and Steven Miller wants and everybody's got their own little thing and Steven Miller wants to do the Venezuelan thing and go to war with Venezuela, so then he can say well you were talking about this was it yesterday or Monday, Jodi.
[SPEAKER_05]: The the whole thing with the alien enemies act.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, yeah, he wants to he if we're at war with Venezuela, then he can impart the alien enemies act and so deport anybody that he deems Venezuela.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right, which means if you got a little bit too dark of a tan, congratulations ice maybe grabbing you on that and then of course you come early what they, I mean what they've been doing since the mass deportations began a lot of the guys are we're Venezuelans.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the part of the reason that the the judges keep knocking down is because they're like we're not at war with Venezuela.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're not at war with El Salvador.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're not at war with all these countries that you're trying to say we're at war with because they're brown people, which is, you know, and then you got Marco Rubio, who goes hey,
[SPEAKER_05]: If we can do regime change in Venezuela, then we can do regime change in Cuba.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's Rubio's angle on that.
[SPEAKER_13]: We've been trying to do regime change in Cuba since the four weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to break out the old like exploding day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be the old exploding cigar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: had.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this whole idea of making America great again by rewinding to, in the case of exploding cigars, 1950s, 1960s and also 1800s.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then as we were saying before going back to the 19th century foreign policy expansionism and That's what this is this is about I don't know like bringing all of this stuff back as though there wasn't enough of it already in the past and there weren't This is so tragic why I wanted you to bring the coliope because this is half as a half ashesum plus imperialism gets you
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, which I'm see they're going with the hell that is not that that's that should not be the National Anthem of the United States and yet under Donald Trump it may as well be because what them
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, I mean, just to be clear, the Epstein files are, you know, an immensely important story.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's not to what I said before is not to downplay the importance of the Epstein files.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying not every news story is a distraction from the Epstein files.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Epstein file, we're going to spend some time talking about Venezuela.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to spend some time obviously and horribly talking about what happened in Minnesota today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you have seen files of that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Epstein files will be back because what we know is that Donald Trump signed this piece of legislation.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Epstein files transparency.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he signed that into law, but he knew that there were
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no way that his administration would ever live up to the terms of that legislation.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they released 1% of the Epstein files.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's still 99% and there's no chance in hell the Republicans will do anything to enforce this legislation, which again Donald Trump signed, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think we're ever going to see the rest of the files.
[SPEAKER_05]: The Republicans, they were, I mean, all one of them was voted for it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: All the chippoint chip Roy is leaving.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, and that's that's another problem that Republicans have.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, Donald is already said.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love that you got this Joe.
[SPEAKER_05]: He journey got this today for the news on tap, which was really good.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you go down to the section of the fourth round on Capitol Hill.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yes, Congress is returning.
[SPEAKER_05]: They got the Venezuelan clash.
[SPEAKER_05]: There is a shutdown deadline at the end of the month and a health care fight and Trump has put his tiny Johnson in a bind over health care.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, that's right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Donald is putting his tiny Johnson in another place where he doesn't belong, and the fact of the matter is that he, so Donald said to Republicans, look, I want you guys to compromise and be flexible on abortion restrictions.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then of course, the Susan B. Anthony group.
[SPEAKER_05]: Remember, remember, I'm pretty sure it holds about this.
[SPEAKER_05]: So when I used to produce, I filled in produced at EWTN, because friend of mine, her mom was sick with cancer, and I helped out and filled in, and I wanted
[SPEAKER_05]: there was at an argument at one time behind the scenes between two anti abortion groups.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it was off air.
[SPEAKER_05]: And one of these people was, look, you know, as long as we can get the abortion things down, we should be able to compromise a little bit.
[SPEAKER_05]: The other was, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_05]: that no no person was from the Susan B. Anthony group and they're the ones telling Donald absolutely no compromise and so they have now put tiny Johnson in a vice which I do not recommend doing by the way, but I'm just saying, you know, that's one of those kind of things.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're going to have all kinds of fun on Capitol Hill and that's another thing we got to keep our eye on.
[SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, like you're saying, Bob, the fact of the matter is we can walk and shoot gum at the same time.
[SPEAKER_05]: We can tackle.
[SPEAKER_05]: We can juggle the Epstein files thing and the Imperialist Venezuela thing and the Greenland thing and the Ice Monsters thing in Minnesota.
[SPEAKER_05]: We can juggle all these and keep kicking their asses and elections too.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's the kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are all important stories for sure.
[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's talk about some more of those here.
[SPEAKER_05]: We got one more round here to close it out on a Wednesday night with Bob Suska and Showty Hamilton and me Sean Smith Pierce and of course you you guys fresh up your drink.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh Bob, okay, so we were talking about obviously some of the ice monster in Minnesota who shot this woman.
[SPEAKER_05]: How many of these clips have you seen because we had Glenn in here earlier and he's seen him from a bunch of different angles.
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw two different videos.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: You've seen two.
[SPEAKER_05]: I saw two.
[SPEAKER_05]: One of them was from the same angle, so basically two.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: You've seen more Jody.
[SPEAKER_05]: I saw three.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: What do you think, Jody?
[SPEAKER_05]: Honestly.
[SPEAKER_13]: I think that as with what Glenn said regarding deadly force, the cops can use, the police officer that appears to be in one angle in front of the vehicle, A is not the shooter, different guy.
[SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: And that angle is not a ghost.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's very far away.
[SPEAKER_13]: And you can't really see it.
[SPEAKER_13]: He's technically to the side of her car.
[SPEAKER_13]: Her wheels are not turned at him.
[SPEAKER_13]: They are turned away from him.
[SPEAKER_13]: And he jumps out of the way and starts walking towards her car.
[SPEAKER_13]: So he wasn't hit.
[SPEAKER_13]: He wasn't angling for him.
[SPEAKER_13]: So I think that it's murder too.
[SPEAKER_13]: I don't think it's premeditated.
[SPEAKER_13]: I think it's murder too.
[SPEAKER_13]: Then the other police officer did.
[SPEAKER_13]: And he was the one that tried to get into the vehicle.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right, wasn't it to, uh, didn't they convict the guy who killed George Floyd on murder two?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, I remember right.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, murder one is you premeditated murder.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right, you think about it.
[SPEAKER_05]: You plan it.
[SPEAKER_05]: You go and you do it.
[SPEAKER_13]: And the plan it can be ten seconds before it can.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right, but murder two is oops, bam.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, and it's not manslaughter because that's a different thing.
[SPEAKER_13]: Right, and there is intent with murder two is just not premeditated.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And by the way George Floyd, George Floyd was murdered, I think, and eighth of a mile away from elsewhere this happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was with throughout the corner.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I've been there, I've hung out there, I have friends in the cities there, but in that neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, you can get a juicy, juicy Lucy, not too far from there as well.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, no, I know people that live in that neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so there was the ice agent who shot the driver.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... stepped into the the path of the car the problem was is the driver of the car who's now dead was turning away from that person right and then the driver of the shooter stepped out of the way and then fired into
[SPEAKER_13]: into the driver's side of the car, I think he was firing before the guy that was technically in front of the vehicle.
[SPEAKER_13]: He's the guy, there's the guy that was kind of in front of the vehicle, but not really.
[SPEAKER_13]: Then the guy that was reaching into the car, and then there was a guy that was reached into the car to try to get her out, and he's the shooter.
[SPEAKER_13]: He said he's the one closest to the camera from one angle and then there was a third ice officer that was farther further away from them farther away from them.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so as I love, I love the way that Jacob Fry, the mayor of Minneapolis, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because we did this earlier, Bob, but in fact, this was the first thing we did when we got in the bar tonight is that we walked through the BS, the Christy the Nome said.
[SPEAKER_05]: how she went through it and then we walked through exactly as it happened and how the facts absolutely knockback every stupid ass thing that she said.
[SPEAKER_05]: But this is the kind of thing what Mayor Jacob Fry did is the way that I would hope every Democrat takes on the kind of propaganda than this Trumpist imperial regime is pushing.
[SPEAKER_05]: I just want to play this for those people who haven't heard it.
[SPEAKER_05]: And yes, I know we'll believe it for those of you who are like,
[SPEAKER_07]: There's little I can say, again, that'll make this situation better, but I do have a message for our community, for our city, and I have a message for us.
[SPEAKER_07]: Two ice?
[SPEAKER_07]: Get the f*** out of any apples.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah!
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_04]: with him.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, if you cannot be responsible as a member of law enforcement as a member of whatever government organization you're in when Glenn was in earlier Bob and he was talking about this.
[SPEAKER_05]: He said, uh, I remember the, um, what is that thing that talked about immunity, Jody?
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, a qualified immunity.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_05]: He used the example of an IRS agent.
[SPEAKER_05]: And he said, so this IRS agent may be sitting in his cubicle.
[SPEAKER_05]: And you don't want everybody, the IRS agent says, I need to pay your taxes coming in and screaming at him over to drag in the IRS agent in the court.
[SPEAKER_05]: You can't, you can't come after me because I didn't pay your taxes.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you're doing your job correctly, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_05]: But there are a ton of degrees about doing your job correctly, especially when it comes to using force as a member of the government.
[SPEAKER_05]: And there are lots of ways that they could have handled this situation with this driver that would not have been, oh, you're running way, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man,
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't, don't fire it somebody to try to stop the car going away.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, I never used to do this from what I gather.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_13]: when they've been pulling out American citizens from their vehicles and which is what they were about to do to this woman and she said no and she was unarmed as far as we know she's unarmed so I mean it's and she's an American citizen and along with everybody else in that neighborhood everybody was saying get the f out of our neighborhood everybody on scene was saying that before she got shot one two thank god for all the people with the whistles thank you I believe according to one of the witnesses she was one of those people
[SPEAKER_13]: that we're in the neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's according to one witness.
[SPEAKER_13]: I don't know if that's accurate or not.
[SPEAKER_05]: So she may have been perpendicular because she was blocking or she may have been perpendicular because the street obviously you can see in multiple videos.
[SPEAKER_05]: The street has black eyes all over.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a maybe she got perpendicular and, you know, we don't know yet.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: What we know is that there's a climate of lawlessness in the administration extending out to ICE officials, so I think this was done with a sense of we can do whatever the hell we want.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're we can avail ourselves of Donald Trump's parties or whatever to protect ourselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the idea of that, I don't hate to get too dark about this with the idea that any of these bastards are going to be eventually convicted of crimes beyond maybe state crimes or some sort of civil action, but in terms of actual federal criminal liability for Donald Trump or anyone around him is a pipe dream because he is going to, he's not going to leave office without pardoning everyone around him and himself and sadly enough that's going to stick.
[SPEAKER_05]: because we talked to Glenn about some of that.
[SPEAKER_05]: First of all Glenn said that a lot of those that partens can be challenged.
[SPEAKER_05]: They are not invaluable.
[SPEAKER_13]: But they may not win the challenge.
[SPEAKER_05]: They may not win the challenge, but there are some of them who they can challenge them.
[SPEAKER_05]: So especially, especially the higher up ones, some of the stuff that may be Steven Miller or Marco Rubio is doing, that may be illegal.
[SPEAKER_05]: those folks would be challenged and they might end up sitting out the rest of their life in a small room.
[SPEAKER_05]: So that's entirely possible.
[SPEAKER_05]: As far as state charges go, everybody needs to remember.
[SPEAKER_05]: Everybody is worried that the federal charges that they wouldn't get them with George Floyd, and I don't know that they did, but they got state charges.
[SPEAKER_05]: A.J.
[SPEAKER_05]: Ellison up in Minnesota.
[SPEAKER_05]: They got state charges there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Congratulations.
[SPEAKER_05]: That guy who killed George Floyd.
[SPEAKER_05]: His ass is going to be in prison for the rest.
[SPEAKER_13]: No, he was also convicted on federal charges.
[SPEAKER_13]: Was it by a confederate?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he was.
[SPEAKER_05]: But he wasn't.
[SPEAKER_05]: He still could be Minnesota.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's got life sense in Minnesota.
[SPEAKER_05]: So he ain't going nowhere.
[SPEAKER_05]: No.
[SPEAKER_05]: So that the fact that this ice agent, and that's what Glenn was saying, too, is that, you know,
[SPEAKER_05]: There is a lot of people think like you were saying, Bobby, a lot of people feel that just, you know, oh, well, they're just going to act with impunity.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're going to act imperialistic.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're going to act like they're the empire.
[SPEAKER_05]: But the fact of the matter is, is that A, we're the resistance.
[SPEAKER_05]: And B, we got some Jedi's on our side.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they got some tools.
[SPEAKER_05]: They got some sabers.
[SPEAKER_05]: We are not without tools and we are not without the ability to kick their asses between their shoulder blades.
[SPEAKER_05]: And remember, imperialism died for a lot of reasons.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, World War I and World War II, but it was average people from the very beginning.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was average people who killed imperialism, but we did it before and we can do it again.
[SPEAKER_05]: So these people who are acting with impunity thinking, I take it all, oh, I'm going to take Venezuela.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to take Greenland.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just going to, you know, shoot this person in the car.
[SPEAKER_05]: wrong.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wrong answers.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_05]: And remember also that it's always important to remember this storm treat for us couldn't hit the broadside of a barn.
[SPEAKER_05]: Those people are idiots.
[SPEAKER_05]: So just noting that very carefully saying, you know, it could be in fact that this this this ice guy was just scared and stupid and untrained and he I mean, you know.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: But still you end up that then it's what is it on that journey man's lottery and you're still in there going to jail for something like Well man's that is if this is murder.
[SPEAKER_13]: This was I think so too.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think so too.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but the fact is is that the idea that these people are going to get away Scott free.
[SPEAKER_05]: No
[SPEAKER_05]: whether it's whether it's you know dumbass ice monster Johnson or all the way up the line these people ain't getting waste got free unless we mind them bear mine the law enforcement has been doing this to black people for a century more yeah people native American people pretty much anybody not white and male
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and straight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're just now.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're seeing it because there's video.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're working right.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_13]: Didn't Christy Nome say that video taping ice people is an act of terrorism.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, she said that and she's long about that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Look, I really wish somebody would take that gnome go back and plan it in the yard where it belongs.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because that's the only place that knows like that should be just saying.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, put her next to her dead dog as far as I'm concerned.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what happened to all those reports about her being fired?
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That hasn't happened yet.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: She's, she's still a convenient tool and as long as she is a convenient tool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or I would wager that she wasn't fired because of all the speculation that she was going to be fired.
[SPEAKER_13]: That could be it, too.
[SPEAKER_13]: Because he doesn't want that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: With people saying that, he goes, well, just because they're saying it now, I don't want to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because everyone was saying he should be fired and all that's saying after you know that's means I'm not going to fire up.
[SPEAKER_05]: We actually heard about that from Jeffrey Goldberg and from other other journalists who actually said that internally they were saying, no, no, no, you can't let those people get a scalp because once they get one, nothing's like, no, scalp.
[SPEAKER_05]: You broke a law, dude.
[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No kidding.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I saw Donald's statement on true truth central where he was talking about how the Ice Age and Shooter is in the hospital?
[SPEAKER_13]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's got to be BS.
[SPEAKER_13]: No.
[SPEAKER_13]: He's walking fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody's in the hospital.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he's dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me see if I can bring it up here, but yeah, he said, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, um...
[SPEAKER_02]: viciously ran over the ice officer who seems to have shot her in self-defense now based on the attached clip it is hard to believe he is alive but is now but is now recovering in the hospital no no nobody's hit by that car okay here's a theory that I saw on blue sky okay they showed Donald Trump an AI-generated BS video of what happened surprise
[SPEAKER_13]: That would not surprise me at all.
[SPEAKER_13]: And I am all those three officers that I saw.
[SPEAKER_13]: We're all walking towards her car after she crashed.
[SPEAKER_05]: And what video we have shows them walking away.
[SPEAKER_05]: Ain't none of one of them hurt.
[SPEAKER_13]: No, not a one.
[SPEAKER_05]: We have more stuff obviously.
[SPEAKER_05]: We will keep talking about this.
[SPEAKER_05]: You will be talking about this obviously more tomorrow with Jody on the box.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right on.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, obviously just you don't keep her too late because, you know, we got John Fugelsen coming in tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's best.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's fantastic.
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