[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the lower-hounds podcast where the lower-hounds your guides to Westeros.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm John.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm David.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm Alicia and this is season one our season one preview for a night of the Seven Kingdoms on the HBO.
[SPEAKER_02]: On this podcast we're going to go over our coverage plans a brief background on the series and our expectations for season one.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to get in on the conversation with us, send an email to smallcounselatthelorhounds.com or head to our Discord server from the Lintree in the show notes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you'd like what you've heard and want to support us or get ad free, bonus content, check out the same Lintree for our Patreon and Supercast subscription options.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get right into our coverage plans.
[SPEAKER_01]: But before that, we've got another speaker here that I didn't work into the outline because this was a last minute edition Anthony.
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm excited to join.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, this is going to be our latest collaboration with you and Steve from probably Howard movie review.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had been milling the silver for about a week and it seems like the best option for everyone to just merge the efforts here and to get everyone some deep dives into West Rose.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, with with the unseriousness that this show deserves.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking of it not unlike our primary characters, Dunk and Egg, where we're sort of two mismatched podcasts that make a hole.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we can paleround the the world of West Rose together.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which one of us is Dunk the Lunk?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm just not going to shave my head.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to make that clear.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like John mentioned, this plan just hatched, I hate to use another egg metaphor, sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're gonna do a collaboration with Steven Anthony from Properly Howard Movie Review.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're planning on three episodes a week.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna do a mean episode recap, deep dive with a book, spoiler, I guess Kaboos.
[SPEAKER_02]: It will be on that so the people that wanna duck out for spoilers, that won't affect them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that episode is going to drop on both the properly how our movie review feeds and our main lorehouse feed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then that'll be sometime Monday, Tuesday, every week, depending on our schedules.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll be rotating some participation, not to overcrowded the microphones and whatnot.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then we're having two other special podcasts.
[SPEAKER_02]: One is going to be an instant take on Sunday nights after the episode airs.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's only going to be on the properly powered feed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then on
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to do a feedback episode, and that's going to be mostly Steve and Anthony, and that's also only going to be on the properly Howard movie review feed.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you need to subscribe to both, and you'll get the deep dives on both main channels, and then the bonus content will all be over with Anthony and Steve over on their feed.
[SPEAKER_05]: there's like we said before there are links in the show notes and I think we'll put one right direct into the the show description and then he does that seem to cover it does that work for you I think so and I ought to mention that you know my my main podcasting endeavor for the last seven years has been going through a song of ice and fire chapter by chapter
[SPEAKER_05]: And then just recently, Steve and I did a full novella book review coverage of Hedge Knight, which corresponds to the first season that HBO is putting out in short order.
[SPEAKER_05]: And if you go over to properly Howard, you can hear what I've done is I've combined three different podcasts that Steve and I did to review a Hedge Knight into one podcast.
[SPEAKER_05]: full spoilers for the first season of HBO 9-7 Kingdoms, so unless you've actually read that first novella, I would not recommend going over there, but there is some Duncan egg content over properly held right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So with the caveat, oh no, I'll just slow it down, but what I'm literally listening to in my podcast right now, he's old enough to note that the puppeteer is
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you listen?
[SPEAKER_02]: What speed do you listen on earlier?
[SPEAKER_02]: 2.0?
[SPEAKER_00]: At least yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's so much content to shove in my ears.
[SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely for sure.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I I really annoying myself with how many pauses that I take.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when I listen to myself, I go real fast.
[SPEAKER_05]: I wish that I could just speed up the way that I talk in real life.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think that would help everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, I think everyone should check that out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, too, was listening and May I say, I've learned a lot about a lot of things, including Richard gear.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if anyone is curious.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was of an age where that was also discussed in the playground.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel so sorry for Richard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, now I'm going to have to go listen to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was avoiding it for spoilers.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to read the books probably.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now I have to go find out what that's all about.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's right at the top.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so you can't listen to just that probably.
[SPEAKER_01]: And enjoy your Richard gear fest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sounds good.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's, you know, it's a adult content.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, you don't have children in the room.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you were in that explosive rate.
[SPEAKER_02]: What consencing adults put in their ears as their own business?
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or other orifices, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, all right, this is real fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what happens when you get proper lore, how dared.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do them together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was painful.
[SPEAKER_01]: For upper lore, hounded.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get, I'm going to practice that throughout this season.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do we do once you hear me do that?
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... we're doing some background on the series and anthony has you know as you can let us nicely into that with his background you know the deep dive into uh... song by sapphire do you want to give any other background anthony on maybe specifically to the dunk and egg series
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm for yourself personally.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and I was sort of a late adopter to the Eisenfire books.
[SPEAKER_05]: I kind of jumped in to Game of Thrones after the first season was published.
[SPEAKER_05]: I read everything that was out there.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then when all of that was red, and it was clear that nothing new was coming out, I jumped into Duncan Egg.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I honestly, I
[SPEAKER_05]: The tone shift from a song of ice and fire to dunk an egg is dramatic.
[SPEAKER_05]: It almost presents as junior fiction and it's almost just like a light-hearted adventure story.
[SPEAKER_05]: Not that there aren't a few like Martin Esk themes that run throughout these stories,
[SPEAKER_05]: And I've always thought that the Duncan Egg series would translate far better to a television program than how's the dragon.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm not surprised that they are doing it the way that they're doing it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm really excited for what HBO has in store.
[SPEAKER_01]: very cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I too am excited.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a similar background.
[SPEAKER_01]: I I didn't start a game of the run until about season five.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, well, I watched the first four seasons first to be clear, but until season five was on, and I too basically had a similar trajectory of reading the full thing, and then going through the Dunkin' Egg series, and I agree with you, I think it's gonna be a lot of fun, it's gonna be a very different show than we're used to from this universe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alicia, you also are a Song of Ice and Fire Reader.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, um, so I jumped into the books like basically I started the first season of Game of Thrones and then I got to the part where they Sorry spoilers for the first season of Game Thrones Where they kill lady the dog and I was you know, I hate when an animal gets hurt And so I hate male that we get for spoiling season one
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is literally episode two, but yeah, so it's someone said to me, I was like, oh my gosh, I was so brutal and somebody said, oh, just wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I was like, it was like a record scratch in my brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay, I put off watching the next episode for two weeks so that I could, I think the first three books were out then.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just binge read the first three books over two weeks and then went back to watching it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for the
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was definitely all three were published, but I initially read them, like I had to go seek them out in three separate publications.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was somewhere in that window.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then yeah, I got to be, I guess, on an electric booklet with Anthony and Steve talking about the end of the third novella.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was planning to reread them anyway because of the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I
[SPEAKER_00]: but it's probably my favorite thing in this universe just because it has a more earnest wholesome tone.
[SPEAKER_00]: I suppose there's more hope in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is more hope.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also want to mention that, and I think I've mentioned the other podcast before we're going to ripen up the series, but since this is our first official podcast for this show, there is a lovely audio book version with Harry Lloyd who played Miserist Dineris's brother in season one of Game of Thrones.
[SPEAKER_01]: reading the whole thing and it's really a wonderful audiobook and that was the first way I Consumed this now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've gone back and reread the first novella on my Kindle, but The audiobook is a really great experience and I think because it is a lighter story It blends itself well to audiobooks.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to be like wait, who what where?
[SPEAKER_01]: Huh, what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Too many names.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although I know that was a complaint on your Podcast Anthony that there are just too many names within this small Little thing and I hope that the show does that a little better
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Martin loves to create, he loves to bring texture and color to the world that he is created.
[SPEAKER_05]: and part of that is everyone gets a fancy name, everyone gets fancy colors, everyone gets a fancy sigil, everyone gets a mascot, and he'll just throw him in there.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so it does, that is the part of a song of ice and fire that it almost takes a Wikipedia page,
[SPEAKER_05]: experience as you read in the long to kind of follow up on every and who they belong to and whatnot a little this is a little bit less of that because the setting is unlike a game of thrones the setting is all in one spot you're you're at a tournament
[SPEAKER_05]: And for the most part, you're at a tournament and everyone, all the principles are in the same place.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they're all interacting.
[SPEAKER_05]: And there are plot twists and characterization.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, all the things you'd expect from Martin's world, but it's very localized.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: So.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it is one if they do it like the books where probably we'll just keep the two main actors and most of the actors around them will change every season because it's sort of everything is just focused on one situation, one conflict.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I wouldn't expect a lot of overlap in the characters from season one to season two.
[SPEAKER_05]: The two principles will sort of are the common thread.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't even know if I should say that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Is that a spoiler to say it?
[SPEAKER_01]: There are two main characters that we'll have in every episode of every season of uh I think when you see the trailers, it's pretty clear they're signaling that it's this right well the novella's work called Dunkin Egg so hmm yeah right what do you think it's about David you are the new person to this part of the Game of Thrones song rise on fire IP can you tell us any of your background any thoughts you have going on?
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure I came across
[SPEAKER_02]: Game of Thrones in December of 2011.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had been out and about traveling and stuff and I came home and I was house sitting for some friends over the Christmas holidays.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was looking around on, you know, this back, obviously 2011, so the whole streaming cable thing was different.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was looking around, what's on HBO?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, what's this Game of Thrones thing?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like the needles, who was that you, Alicia, that said that like a scratch needle.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're just like, whoa, what the hell is this?
[SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, then I just enjoyed and somewhere in the middle, I got around to reading the books and I kind of binge read them as well, just turning the pages.
[SPEAKER_02]: So a lot of the content,
[SPEAKER_02]: and a lot of the world building is beyond me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a pretty screen first viewer for this particular property.
[SPEAKER_02]: John, you and I have been covering the
[SPEAKER_02]: house of the dragon will be doing that again later this year and I'm sort of the uninitiated whatever just casual viewer proxy for this and so yeah I'm watched the the trailers again last night yeah I'm I'm kind of excited I think this will be a fun twist on the very brutal world that Martin has created because that's
[SPEAKER_02]: one of the things that Game of Thrones at House of the Dragon get a lot of commentary about is just the brutality of the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you see, you know, Sir Duncan sort of wait, which way do I get out of this tent and, you know, doing these sorts of things that are on the trailer, it was like, oh, that's some unexpected humor.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not campy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't feel like over the top.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it felt very situational and real to the characters, not like they were
[SPEAKER_02]: putting a veneer of humor over it, that's the character, and that's the relationship of these two people.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, I don't know, I'm looking forward to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it'll be a fresh way, a fun, in fresh way to start, 2026, which is gonna be another busy watching and podcasting year.
[SPEAKER_00]: absolutely so go ahead at least I have a question for you and Anthony is we've been talking about this is the the lighter touch in the asong of ice and fire universe but do we think I mean it's not that there's no brutality in the books do we think that they're going to soften it for the TV show
[SPEAKER_05]: If anything, it's HBO, they'll probably try to bring a little bit more metal into the pop.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're not pulling Marilyn into this podcast.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll say that again.
[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't hear that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not pulling Marilyn into this podcast, you know, she's, she's not going to have a good time.
[SPEAKER_05]: I hope that they don't do too much of it, you know, I'm involved in, in my other, my other
[SPEAKER_05]: How's the drag and fantasy league?
[SPEAKER_05]: And we did a small draft for Duncan eggs, where we were just drafting actions.
[SPEAKER_05]: And all of the actions that we were drafting for how's the drag and included all kinds of sex stuff, all kinds of impaling and dismembered mean, dismemberment and things like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: For Duncan Egg, it was sort of like, yeah, I don't think any, I don't think we're going to see much of that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it is, it is a tournament.
[SPEAKER_05]: These things are dangerous.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's always the possibility that someone's going to get their headlocked off at some point, but it's just not the tone of the show.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so the question is, will HBO feel obligated to lean into the darker tone,
[SPEAKER_05]: They want to see someone castrated at some point, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think that there are ways to do both, you know, like the boys can be really funny and brutal at the same time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's a little bit too ridiculous of an example, but something that I think might be closer to the tone is the righteous gemstones, where there is some
[SPEAKER_01]: There's also this like rag tag group of people, just like floundering through it and I think that that's closer to what you'll get in the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't think we're going to have a romantic rivalry presented for us on HBO.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, that was a heated rivalry reference because that's all talking the down right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, they have not released it on HBO in the Netherlands and I'm upset and I have written to my HBO provider.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well don't worry soon it'll be Netflix and y'all you'll have everything will be fine nothing will nothing will be bad about you you'll have all the episodes at once so this is drop a thousand episodes a day that'll be hell for us punctures don't worry they will finally extend the last season the last scene of the Subranos based on popular met that's what they'll do we really great with AI
[SPEAKER_01]: even better.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's get into the actual show.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've been dancing around it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the synopsis, I just wrote up a couple of sentences here, a hundred years before Game of Thrones, a young hedge night named Dunk, made to younger boy named Egg, and the two set off on a buddy cop adventure across West Rose.
[SPEAKER_01]: Season one, as Anthony mentioned, is going to focus largely on a tornado setting.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we are going to be, you know, all in one area.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's going to be a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Anthony has helpedfully post it his breakdown of the first novella in the three novellas that currently exists in the Duncan eight series The collection of novellas is called and I know the seven kingdoms, which are where they got the show name from And this first season is gonna be based on that first novella the hedge night, so it's about a hundred pages give or take Here's one thing that I want to float by everybody George Martin says he has a lot more stories left to write in this series
[SPEAKER_01]: But we know how that goes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do we think that the show is going to extend beyond the three current novellas?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or do we think it's gonna stop?
[SPEAKER_00]: If it does, well, or not.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think it really depends on what the viewership is.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because it's possible that this is even more beloved than how's the dragon.
[SPEAKER_05]: And if that's the case, they may just throw all the rags in this basket
[SPEAKER_05]: And we might have a situation, you know, season four, if there's a season four, where whatever showrunner is given this property is now in the position that whites and many off were in.
[SPEAKER_05]: when they were writing beyond the original content in a game of thrones.
[SPEAKER_05]: I said, we know that that always goes well, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: When the shit ends beyond the book content.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully this show runner doesn't get a Star Wars deal offered, but we'll see.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, honestly, it depends on the show runner because there are some people, for instance, not we haven't had the opportunity to bring up interview with the vampire yet this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like the showrunner of that show, Roland Jones, I am like, yeah, rewrite the series.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do what you want, I trust you, you understand it enough to manipulate it beyond the scope of what currently exists.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just about getting the right showrunner.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, okay, now I need to admit my ignorance and look up who the showrunner is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... a well it's right here actually i reparkers the show runner and was a writer on season one of house of dragon uh... and then the director of the first episode will be uh... in harris who also directed in hot day so this is a very hotly crew uh... so he did the nevers i did watch season the first season of that and then that was a show that was unfairly shoved aside but he's kind of an unknown entity then yeah this could be really good or not so good and
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea what to expect because it is so tonally different from the other shows and hopefully that hopefully they really nail that tone because that's going to be key to the success of the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: How long has it been in development?
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess that is my question because the team at HBO, I think when they have space and time to work on stuff,
[SPEAKER_02]: They hit more often than they miss in terms of working with the writers and the show runners in terms of development process and isn't this like the third or fourth title that the game in thrones spin off wheel has been tried.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the only one that's made it out besides us the dragon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a good question is, is basically if you'll recall when Game of Thrones ended, there was the search for the next Game of Thrones.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they hired a bunch of people to develop the next Game of Thrones.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they announced that this was in development in 2021.
[SPEAKER_01]: So five years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: and then they began pre-production though in 2024 and they put George Martin as creator and executive producer.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's been involved intimately from the beginning.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and I think that's a good thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the best game of throwing seasons were when he was still involved, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And the same thing on House of the Dragon.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people myself included critiqued House of the Dragon season two, not as a bad season, but as a lacklustry season compared to season one, and that was after George Martin walked away a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think with this, it is an easier story to transpose from books or screen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think the reason that this made it out of, you know, as you said, this sort of hunger games of possible game of threats, but not the reason this is the one that succeeds is because the books are so beloved.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they're like, OK, we have that market there.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know what the appeal is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's easy to stay true to the books.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it looks like that's what they're doing in the trailers.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not like, you have to stay true to the books person.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think in this case, it will serve them well, because it's just such cinematic material.
[SPEAKER_02]: And strategically, that's smart, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You have a beloved prod product, or a story line, or a world being a part of this world.
[SPEAKER_02]: that as you say transpose is easily from paper to screen and the of mice and min type of story the mismatched character is an easy to do in dunk dirty here.
[SPEAKER_02]: do okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just thinking from the thing in the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's an easy to telegraph, you know, buddy cop, like all of that, the tropes, the cliches, are easy to pick up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you want to squeeze more blood from the stone, then it kind of makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe it's easier, especially if they're just doing a single, a mostly single location season one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Production-wise, that makes a lot easier, because the game of thrones was, they were all over the place.
[SPEAKER_02]: Same with Alha, the dragon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, of course, you throw on the COVID-avit and the strikes of it back then.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it kind of makes sense that this is an easy score for them to, you know, mixing my sports metaphors here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, it's an easy property for them to get off the ground and try to get that flywheel of constant IP rolling out of them.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I wouldn't purport to know the ease of any kind of show, but I will say this.
[SPEAKER_05]: If, if ever there was a
[SPEAKER_05]: this would be the one.
[SPEAKER_05]: The CGI budget alone is going to be significantly less than house of the dragon.
[SPEAKER_05]: No dragons or dead at this point.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if that's a spoiler either.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it could trailer.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a dragon in the trailer in the publicly.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's two, I mean, it's in the timeline.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is said after House of the Dragon,
[SPEAKER_01]: I think yeah, I mean we know from Game of Thrones.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming that everybody watching this probably is what's Game of Thrones.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we know from Game of Thrones that the Targaryen dragons died like before this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's why I'm just saying it is not even considering a spoiler.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like Anthony saying, you know, and David, this is going to be a very much easier show to film.
[SPEAKER_01]: They filmed it all basically just outside of Velfast in Northern Ireland.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they were able to really hone in their production.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess makes it easy for the lead actor because I think he isn't an Irish-run-paying player.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's that I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: He looks like a rugby player.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's, I mean, he's be better-be-toe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, a lot of people's first complaint was not all enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, let's let's calm down and be realistic.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, love.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you want a seven foot tall actor, if that's your main thing that you want out of this casting element, then you've limited the amount of quality actors significantly, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: I would much rather have a guy that's about six, six, who actually can, you know, have the emotionality that you needed for the role, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess Peter Claffey has, he's got about one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, other things on his list of past productions, but yeah, he was a rugby union player and this is like a major, major score for him is agent must be over the moon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I have landed him this position.
[SPEAKER_01]: So speaking of length of people, the length of the episodes, it gonna be shorter.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're gonna have 30 to 40 minute episodes and six episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a bridge season for starting on January 18th.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyone have thoughts on this shorter episode run?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's gonna be, again, pretty fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm in doing it as a casual watcher of this and knowing that how's the dragon is coming back later in this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just kind of a fun way to start the year.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess this is sort of some of my hopes for season one, rolled in to this is that it looked like what I saw on the trailers.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're doing some innovation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And some of the way the action is being filmed.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are some camera moves.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, wait a minute, what's going on there?
[SPEAKER_02]: They did some really interesting stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then
[SPEAKER_02]: the brutality of the jousting and the way that they were filming through a helmet, a medieval night helmet as he's writing on a horse, as it looks wild.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's one of those like, oh my god, I can't believe they did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be like a fun and sort of articulating thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that balanced against the pit every week.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I'm glad that this is going to have some humor and some upside on that side, because I think the pit is going to be an intense ride.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to do a little light coverage of that as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, we're going to end up doing weekly on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just to admit it to yourself, I've kind of admitted to myself already.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I wasn't planning on it until you binged a season one and then you're like on the discord.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm all in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: But fair enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when the critic choice so words.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I'm looking forward to learning kind of more about attorneys and jousting and how all of that works.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, just kind of looks like a fun buddy cop thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, I'm down for it.
[SPEAKER_05]: a word that I've heard a lot from you all that I think is a really important one is just the word fun.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think that if you come into this show, just thinking, this is just going to be a fun time.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let me just sit back and chop some popcorn and just have a good time.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think that you're going to be disappointed.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I don't know like I don't think that we're going to um, like if you come into this thinking like okay, we're going to get back into theory crafting and we're going to figure out who's going to become the Knights King and we're going to figure out if brands really, you know, spine behind the wall, working into a rat or whatever.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's not it.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's not what this show is.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so it's, it is the kind of show that can exist in the world that Martin's created, but it may not have the broader magical scope that the other series had.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, or if it does, it'll be like the barris tints because this is, I mean, this is from the perspective of a hedge knight who is not is someone who has some more exposure than your average, you know, peasant on a farm or something, but who is not in the intrigues of the court or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is someone with a more outsider perspective on what we've mostly seen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Should we say what a hedge knight is?
[SPEAKER_01]: We keep saying that term around, but... Oh, sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a knight, but Saturn isn't that the same thing for you.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, I mean, I guess you have to think about, uh, I guess the way that knighthood works in the real world.
[SPEAKER_05]: is that back in the day, you had to be very, very wealthy to become a knight.
[SPEAKER_05]: You had to have a horse, that's very expensive.
[SPEAKER_05]: You had to have training, you had to have armor.
[SPEAKER_05]: All this stuff sort of suggested that you had a major hold fast and lands and wealth enough,
[SPEAKER_05]: to trounce about the kingdom and, you know, protect the innocent or, you know, lead your great house in the battle or something like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: But after a while.
[SPEAKER_05]: The institution falls on hard times.
[SPEAKER_05]: I guess you could say, and almost anyone could become a knight if you can win a couple tournaments and win some armor and a kind of upgrade your weapons, you don't even have to have a castle.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you can be a hedge knight, someone that lives in the hedges along the road and you can just like, trounce from tournament to tournament and try to win a little bit of money.
[SPEAKER_05]: because you are good on horseback or you're good at the melee or something like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you don't necessarily have to be a very wealthy knight to be a hedge knight.
[SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, you might view the institution a little bit differently.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, for, for instance, it could be that the hedge knight is the nobler kind of knight, because that person can just choose a cause and fight for it himself.
[SPEAKER_05]: He can, he can choose which innocent person he wants to defend.
[SPEAKER_05]: Whereas if you're a knight that's kind of attached to a great lord, you kind of become his gun.
[SPEAKER_05]: You kind of have to do whatever that lord wants to do that particular day, and you end up becoming more like the mountain.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I would just say this, I would say like a think of nighthood, but a little bit more impoverished and you got yourself a hedge night.
[SPEAKER_05]: Fair enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: What was the movie that was out a couple of years ago about?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was in, said in France and it was with the, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh god, I'm completely, how about them Apple.
[SPEAKER_02]: Last dual.
[SPEAKER_02]: The last dual.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wasn't that that was an interesting look into the neighborhood and how they went around and were squeezing the tie things from everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a lot of financial stuff going on with being a night.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, those guys are both wealthier than than dunk for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think most people are wealthier than dunk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you know what, you know, who's not worried about their finances is HBO or I guess they are because they're in a ton of debt But they're already renewing it for season two.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had already renewed it and they started filming in December for season two So we are well on our way.
[SPEAKER_01]: They we expect to see season two in twenty twenty seven We are going back to the old model, baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're here again.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the pit leads the way
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: It actually was out before the point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think as Anthony said that if you're, if anyone can do, you know, one year turn around, if you can do that with any story within this universe, this is definitely the one because, yeah, each season is kind of confined to one location with one manageable cast of characters.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's an IP that they know is going to have a built-in audience.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have to worry about the show selling at least enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it was good for all of us.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was looking at the Game of Thrones Wikipedia and looking at the first last release dates for episodes of seasons and it was 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, like boom, boom, boom.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't until the final season where they had that little.
[SPEAKER_02]: skip hop, but they were turning it out annually.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a real machine, and that was sort of before I became interested at this level of that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess this was in our, what are we calling it, the golden era or something like that?
[SPEAKER_02]: The, you know, the heyday of this model of television, but man, that they could turn out an intense show like that
[SPEAKER_01]: They really, the pandemic and the strikes gave a lot of studios and excuse to have things on a buy annual release instead of, is that right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, buy annual release rather than an annual release and then they were like, much like a lot of things that didn't go back to normal after the pandemic.
[SPEAKER_01]: People were like, ah, well, it's a little easier.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just keep going like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But now you're starting to see some backlash so that might, I think that studios are starting to get back into the, okay, maybe we need to hurry this up a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw a lot of people talking about how plural has had a two season order.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, Vince Gillian then comes down.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, well, we're gonna take our time for season two and you're like, whoa, buddy, what's going on here?
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, uh, enough about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I want to ask everyone about their hopes for season one that you haven't shared yet, Anthony, and you final thoughts on your hopes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I, I hope that they are creative in ways that will surprise me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I'm, I'm not the kind of person that feels like, well, you, you didn't do it exactly like the book content, so I'm angry.
[SPEAKER_05]: I kind of want the showrunner to make it his own in a, it's sort of keeping
[SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, figure out what that spirit is, and then play a little jazz with that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I, that, that always makes me a little bit happy if you can do that well enough.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because I want it, I want something new.
[SPEAKER_05]: I want something new from this world to thrill me.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, I hope that they do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: May you be thrilled, Anthony.
[SPEAKER_01]: David, any final thoughts?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I think I covered most of my stuff already.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I suppose it's so far, so good as far as what I've seen in the trailers.
[SPEAKER_00]: They really have me believing that this is what I hope it's going to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: I suppose the thing I'm going to watch out for most is pacing.
[SPEAKER_00]: We talk about this as a really short light novella, but they are also doing a short light episode length in order.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think it's going to be very fast-paced.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, consistently pace and and I think it will be because as we keep saying it's a fun romp at its very heart.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't have too many expectations going in just hopes that it I will enjoy it as much as I suspect I will.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be really great season.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say I most hope that they focus on character over plot in this because that's really what's going to sell this show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some shows are character studies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some shows are plot driven.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's often a mix of the two.
[SPEAKER_01]: But similar to plurvis, it's a character study.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a buddy cop story where if you sell the relationship you've already sold the story.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I hope that they really take that into account.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it looks like from the trailers that they are.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm really excited for this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have an opportunity to expand slightly some of the side characters like Tansy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it'll be, I think they will have a really good time with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's not that much plot to get there, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It is really just about hanging out with the couple cool dudes.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, let's get out of here at a minute, but I just want to ask Anthony, anything you want to plug on your feeds on your property Howard Wise.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, sure, um, like I said, go, you know, if you're a reader and you think that you'll enjoy reading this novella before the HBO series comes out, it's about a hundred pages, so we'll take that long to read and then you'll have a companion pod over at properly Howard, where Steven I spoiled the entire first season of the HBO adaptation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: and uh... we have plenty of other coverage going on on the network radio active brand links is covering fallout weekly not weekly but periodically uh... and that's uh... so far i've heard a very good season only once about one and a half episodes but so far so good for my end so go check out the guys over there uh... we have elisha just did her christmas carola talking about that elisha yeah it's not too late to i i saw there are still people logging at christmas
[SPEAKER_00]: Luke and I have covered, I don't know, I did make a letterbox list, but we've covered like 20 something of them now over the past few years, so you can check that out in the Walshift Dustfeed.
[SPEAKER_01]: cool and never run the music as always has weekly coverage.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just listening to David's crossover with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very fun episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a generation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the generational music theorem about how one generation makes music for the other until they start making it for themselves and how that repeats and goes in a pattern way and where it works and where it doesn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was a lot of fun to dig into.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: On our feed, weekly coverage of a night of the seven kingdoms, you're going to have to go over to properly Howard for the feedback and the instant takes, but other than that, the main feed will have the main pod, David and I are going to be doing some pit coverage as IT is probably it's going to end up being weekly, but we'll see.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as always, we'll have some fun there.
[SPEAKER_01]: 11's.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's the DCU versus MCU coming out very shortly after this later this week.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also I did an interview with FS with special effects artists, practical special effects artists, Lee Romeras, so that watch out for that to be coming shortly as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be a busy superhero year for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Alicia.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, we have Wonderman watch out for our Wonderman one shot at the beginning of February.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sean and I are both excited about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll talk about that in the MCU, DCU at very nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alicia, who are our discord server boosters and are we thanking them?
[SPEAKER_00]: We should definitely thank them as soon as I get this document open.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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