[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on, everybody?
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to the NoBadDogs podcast, and as well as my second channel if you're watching this on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Guys, I wanted to hop on here and talk about something that popped into my head over this weekend.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was the difference between aggression and reactivity.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I took notes, like I was literally walking
[SPEAKER_00]: my dog burly and I was in my head I was I was talking about in my head I was talking to myself about while the difference between like a dog like burly and I should back up a little bit because what I meant to say was the difference between what reaction and protection
[SPEAKER_00]: what's going on everybody welcome back to the no bad dog's podcast if you're watching this on my second channel and YouTube what's going on and if you want to watch this on YouTube you can click the link in the description.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you guys for hopping on here with me today and today I wanted to talk about something that popped into my head when I was working with my dog burly over the weekend.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the difference between reactivity, protection, and aggression, and also the similarities between all of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Burley, as you guys know, is maybe not, he is my South African master, one of the most protective dog breeds in the world, and he has teaching me so much about dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is giving me big, big, big, generous slices of humble pie, just when you think you're like, okay, I have this whole leash reactivity thing,
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and then this guy comes into my life and just starts to unravel everything and not in a way of me unlearning, but in a way of me learning with a dog that instinctually
[SPEAKER_00]: creates all of the things we're talking about today.
[SPEAKER_00]: Reaction, protection, and aggression.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to go over them because I just talk with some clients online.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were dealing with something similar to a very, very short degree in which they had a great Pyrenees mix that had some protective issues around the owner, which I'm like, OK.
[SPEAKER_00]: So as you guys know, for years, I've been talking and teaching about genetics.
[SPEAKER_00]: and how you can't tell a fish not to swim, that's kind of like the my go-to analogy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's true, but, you know, for dogs like Burley, again, very, very reactive big, a very protective big dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I'm out with him, the interesting thing about him is he will literally, I'm not using my podcast mic today, but I have another mic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, he's not, he's hit her mess.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not consistent.
[SPEAKER_00]: I go out with him and he can see another dog and I've counter condition him and he looks back up at me for food.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can go out with him and he'll see another dog and he absolutely gets queued right up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I have to go through these cycles of, what am I going to do because, and I know that this kind of sounds odd to say, especially from a dog trainer, but I don't have much
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me explain.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when I'm out with him, especially a very instinctually reactive dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what that means is when he locks in on another dog, I talk to his breeder recently.
[SPEAKER_00]: I talk to several of my friends recently about his development and his maturity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because as he gets older, he just turned to this month of December.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is going to change and he is changing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm picking my friends' brains and I'm talking to his breeder about what we can expect
[SPEAKER_00]: what can we do, and we live in upstate New York.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's, I mean, rock salt, the guys, the size of like, I don't even know, like the size of quarters, like the size of little pebbles, rock salt.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's very difficult to walk the dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And some people might say, oh, well, Tom, why don't you get pop protection?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if, this dog would have a great fun time,
[SPEAKER_00]: a fighting me to put little things on his path.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to, I would love to.
[SPEAKER_00]: And out of comedy, pure comedic value, I might actually do that on my Instagram, just to show you guys how that would go.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my point is, as I don't have an opportunity to walk him as my, I walk him right now like three times a day for about 25 minutes, morning, midday, and then evening.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we do training in conjunction with all of that, like on the walks.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's times where he becomes reactive, there's times where he becomes aggressive, and then there's times where he becomes protective.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they all kind of like cycle.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not sure exactly in his mind, and this is, the reason I'm telling you this story is it's a very relevant to a lot of people at home who have a dog that can do some of this stuff on the leash as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so,
[SPEAKER_00]: With that being said, again, I can walk by dog, so you could care less about.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could walk about another dog in the same walk, and he, I have to avoid.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm at a point where I can see him queue up and I know immediately there's no, there's no getting to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is at a point where he is, and this is what I wanted to talk about.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you have a very particular dog, like Burley, I'm using him as an example, he actually thinks when he gets into that mode, like when he does lock in, and you can't reach him, mentally or physically, he actually thinks that that thing is a real threat, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's real protection.
[SPEAKER_00]: And something that's just there, out of just because it's there, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So aggression can be defined as many different things, but when he does lock in and I know because I can tell immediately when he's locked in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now that he's too, excuse me, now these two, and I can see him lock in.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all over from there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to avoid the situation with there's nothing wrong with that, you know, and I've been talking about that for years like it's much safer if you feel like you physically or like you have to ask yourself what's the benefit of this and for dogs like burly and if you guys are out there dealing with a dog who.
[SPEAKER_00]: Has this level of protection or in some cases have has a level of aggression where they actually don't like other dogs they want to hurt other dogs they have hurt other dogs and bite histories with their dogs you have to ask yourself like is this good for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: is that you know, this is part of like what it's I've learned with meditation and other things in life, you should try to take the easier route if the ROI or the benefits don't benefit you right like there's why why hang on to this just let go so my point is is like with Burley when he gets this worked up.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's times where I look at him, he gets cut up and I go the other way, not worth it because I can't reach him when he gets to that point and it could be, you know, because he's such a big dog and for those of you at home, like if you have a dog that also has, I can't get to you, like no matter what corrections you use, no matter what your obedience is, these are things that are.
[SPEAKER_00]: mandatory and extraordinarily helpful, and 95% of the time will probably counter the actual reactivity, stop the reactivity, or make the reactivity so less that you can move forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there are particular dogs, and I don't want to say I'm learning this, but I haven't worked with
[SPEAKER_00]: go into that very instinctual mode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Literally, he thinks that dog is going to kill the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to harm the thing he cares about the most, which is me and the leash.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's his prerogative right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I'm still working on if it's intact males, altered males, females, like I'm still working on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I haven't figured that out.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's so I've come to this point in my training specifically with Burley and again this isn't a Burley I'm just using him as a reference this is all about you guys more importantly, but I just think it's important for me to Really talk about some of the things I'm learning with with a dog like Burley because he's teaching me it heaps.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I go into this system right that I'm like okay I'm either going to avoid this situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he's locked in or I can tell I'm reaching him and what that looks like is this so he sees a dog and he looks back up at me because he knows I've counter condition in the food and for those of you don't know a counter conditioning is essentially I've taught him that.
[SPEAKER_00]: If he looks up at me while there's a dog present he gets paid food food food food food and I've done this and I'll be completely honest with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: The reason why I did this is because when he was younger especially six months when I started really heavily working on engagement with him we have and if anybody lives in my neighborhood right now watching this or listening to this
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for all your patience with all the things that I do in my neighborhood throughout the years of filming with dogs, but we have I think nine Golden's who live in my neighborhood nine.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not exaggerating eight to nine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them have two, but I'm not exaggerating.
[SPEAKER_00]: Most of them are cream golden's bubble of off.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when I was when he was younger Many dogs that we pass do not have good control over their dogs and the reactive
[SPEAKER_00]: So could this play a role in why he is more reactive to some dogs versus not absolutely?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he's had many events where he's completely minding his own business and dogs are like, really worked up that he's there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because of his size and because of his balls, basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: But could that play a role absolutely, but it's nothing to put my hat on because he is a big protective dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: But,
[SPEAKER_00]: My point is, is when he was younger, so many dogs were really out of control and I wanted to maintain control with this dog because I knew what he was going to become.
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew how big he was going to be, how strong he was going to be, potentially how protective and reactive he could be.
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew that.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you guys remember, the day I brought him home, Burley, if you look back on my YouTube channel, you can find him back in Lakota, my dot shepherd came up to say, how do I owe him?
[SPEAKER_00]: And he backed her up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, why aren't barking on her eight weeks?
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like a little low for bread.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, this is important for you guys, because if you
[SPEAKER_00]: If you really look at your dog's roadmap and path of training, you have to take these things into consideration.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't talk there for a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take these things into consideration.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, again, with Burley, I worked on engagement.
[SPEAKER_00]: So how I counter-conditioned him is I would go out all these dogs walking around my neighborhood, no offense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't have good control.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in their pets and people just don't really care, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They're out for a walk.
[SPEAKER_00]: They think that they're dog pulling them or reacting to the leash is part of being a dog owner.
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course for me, and a lot of you listening and watching, that is not actually
[SPEAKER_00]: The reality, it could be much better than that and actually your relationship could be much healthier if you did other things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, so a lot of his life when I went out for walk, we got all this feedback from other dogs on flexies on college is barking at him, reacting to him and we always just push straight through it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so now the tables have kind of turned a little bit where now he's two years old he's really filling himself and if you have big dogs, especially if they're intact males in particular, they they mature very, very slowly so he just started really coming into his I'm a big boy at two like this last two months and so that's important for you to understand that.
[SPEAKER_00]: in the beginning of his life, like a lot of people say, oh, like out of nowhere in my dog became reactive, but maturity has a great deal of play with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's important for you to know that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I counter-conditioned him a lot when he looks at me, he gets paid and he'll do that with a lot of dogs on the walk.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say nine times out of 10, he'll do that with a dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then again, if I do see him, this is just my strategy.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I do see him lock in, I go the other way, because it's not worth me trying to battle this dog, because he really needs to get to this dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, again, to give you guys context with my particular dog, he has had dogs reacting to him in my own neighborhood
[SPEAKER_00]: dragged up to him and then aggressive towards him and he really just kind of doesn't know what to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, he's never, he's had bad experiences due from other dogs, not him in particular.
[SPEAKER_00]: He now he is reacting towards dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I don't know if it's because he remembers.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's because they're intact.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I never really figure that out.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the important thing here is is I don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: I go the other way and avoid situations because there's not worth it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I know that I'm not gonna be able to reach this dog because he is literally doing what he is bred to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I talk about this a lot, especially in my Instagram where I say like, if he wasn't suspicious of new people and other dogs, I'd be like, well, this is kind of a dud.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I have a dog that eats four pounds a day that won't protect me and my family.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not mad about that and it doesn't confuse me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just have gotten to a point because it's a maturity.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is important for you guys as a professional.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who literally I am an expert in reactivity that's all I care about.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all I do all day long.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't stress enough how much research and evidence and training
[SPEAKER_00]: I just I've just soaked it up for so long, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's my bread and butter and because burly is this innate like I can't reach him I can hold him back I can try to choke him out but then he gets pissed off and you were doing all these things And I'm like what's the point of this, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because obviously you know the person walking's probably like well, this is pretty scary But at the same time it's there's no there's no there's no getting to him You can't correct him like no matter what you use the equal or the prom collar no matter what food you have He doesn't care you can't reach him
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you have a dog that you can't reach, because they are protective, because they are aggressive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or because they're reactive too, you have to just make a decision.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if I, here's the question you have to ask yourself, and I'm giving you all this context because I want you guys to understand where I'm coming from.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going through a walk with your dog and they start to react, here's kind of the strategy you should have.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is my dog reacting because they're excited to see another dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a form of reactivity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is my dog reacting because they don't know what to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is my dog reacting because they're being protective?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or is my dog reacting because they're aggressive?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they don't like other dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the format that you have to ask yourself as you're going through this with your dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll go over each strategy and what to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if your dog is like a lot of what I see on walks in my, you know, everywhere where I walk dogs and work with dogs and in my, even in my own neighborhood, it's a lot of dogs who just don't have any boundaries or thresholds, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is normal, this is 90% of dog owners.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's nothing, again, there's nothing necessarily wrong with this,
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's also nothing really necessary wrong without working out and eating healthy but if you do it, life's a lot better, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you have a dog that's, you know, a lot of people, they walk their dog, their on harnesses, they work a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're just getting their walks in when they can.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're trying to let their dog get energy out, go potty, all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, totally understand that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a huge disconnect.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so a lot of times when dogs are reactive, they're just like,
[SPEAKER_00]: They are so used to doing what they want to do, and when we hold them back, they get frustrated and they bark.
[SPEAKER_00]: They go to the other dog, sometimes they're not so nice, sometimes they are nice, sometimes they want to play, or sometimes they're just being rude.
[SPEAKER_00]: Most often cases, they're just being rude.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like a dog that's like that, they're just being rude, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They just have no boundaries, they have no thresholds, they have the owner has no control, they're just getting dragged, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they're getting, oh, okay, now we're right next to each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's common, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just like a reactive dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: They see another dog and they get excited, they get fearful, they get rude, they get like, I need to come to you, I need to get in your face.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know, I have two, two human boys of a three-year-old and a one-year-old.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like when little kids, even my son does it like my one year I'll go up to people and just get right in their face and they don't know what to do especially younger kids and a lot of handle that like what is this little human doing so it's kind of like what that is is just rude right and you know depends on
[SPEAKER_00]: with a dog who doesn't have the innate protection or the innate aggressive behavior.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can use those low hanging fruits of like, hey, quit the crap, stop barking, stay in your heel.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't take it seriously.
[SPEAKER_00]: They go, oh, okay, shoot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't wanna get in trouble.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and I like food too, so I'm just gonna do this instead.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're not like a dog like Burley, and I keep referencing him because he is very, very nice to reference in this story in this context.
[SPEAKER_00]: He, they're not Burley.
[SPEAKER_00]: Early actually is I was born to protect everything around me, and again, you can insert your own dog here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was born to be suspicious of new things, and I must investigate, and I must be big and scary, and I must ward off anything, any threats.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's his DNA.
[SPEAKER_00]: like he cannot change that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you do have a reactive dog, a lot of times it's just because you've allowed them to be reactive.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're bratty, they're pushy, they're just out of control, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, think about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you guys go out and you see kids like that, like there's a time in a place where it's like kids in the kids, but there's a time in a place where kids are just absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: root right and the owner the the owner's the parent just don't care that's just that's a reflection of what's going on at home and same thing with dogs it's a reflection of the lack of training going on it's and this is normal like night I would say 90% of dogs end up in this category.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't do proper training.
[SPEAKER_00]: The dog may no sit, pa, shake, and roll over, but only for food, and that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then their owners come home from work.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the morning, they let them out back to go pee and poop.
[SPEAKER_00]: When they come home from work, they walk the dog, the dogs back in, the kids eat dinner, they watch a show, and then they go to bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's most dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again,
[SPEAKER_00]: No shade that I'm just saying like that's the normal scope of what a dog will get right so lack of training even if you don't have enough time for a lot of walks it's still that the the quality of training that should be put in right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's that type of reaction, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the dog's just that dog, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a little bit of fear reaction that is kind of clumped in with that in my opinion as I'm separating these three things and the fear is kind of like, I don't know what to do and there's a dog and I'm just gonna bark because my owners never tell me I can't bark and this is just my reaction this is how I'm dealing with this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like somebody dumps cold water on you, you react, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Your dog goes out and they react.
[SPEAKER_00]: Same, that you handle that the same way.
[SPEAKER_00]: The dog really,
[SPEAKER_00]: Just doesn't know what to do and you're allowing them to drive the ship and you need to step in and go hey quit the crap and make better decisions and the dogs like we're going to okay fine right accountability.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you move into again, like the more protective dogs like the burly right that's why I gave you context before we went over these three things but burly again is like a dog who like Corsos he's upstairs barking I'll be can hear of Corsos.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, master's.
[SPEAKER_00]: German Shepherd's dogs and most dogs to be completely honest, like have a sense of protectiveness, but some dogs were literally bred for hundreds of years to be suspicious of anything that's out of place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anything that comes into your environment, they need to check out.
[SPEAKER_00]: To give you an example,
[SPEAKER_00]: If like my wife just got a new car for an example, when we opened that garage door, he was like, what the hell is this this is not this is the same color as the old car, but it's shaped different so now he's barking and growling at my wife's new car like things like that this dog I can't it's really unless you really understand the breed or breed similar it's very it's almost sounds like.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to be making this up like if I if we bring in a new plant to the house big deal right if my neighbors walk outside and like cook on their grill next door big deal he's like there's something going on out there it's not normal and again guys I'm not complaining it's not bad that's why I got this dog I can but he but my point is is he is serious
[SPEAKER_00]: He is going, hey, excuse me, where about the die, I need to take over.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a threat to the president at that time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's something I've really had to learn because getting the breed, I knew how protective they, that's why I got him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for those of you who don't know, some people ask like, why'd you get a blah, blah, blah?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I made a whole video on that before, but the reality is, is there was a girl who went missing a three year old, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was like five year old girl, 10 minutes from my house, got kidnapped.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I had just one kid and another one on the way at the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I literally thought to my head, okay, Tom, you're the dog guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were gonna get a nice chocolate lab.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is the most innately protective dog?
[SPEAKER_00]: I have ever seen in my entire life, which means you don't teach in protection, you don't need to teach in protection, they have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is wired in them and their DNA.
[SPEAKER_00]: horrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: 100% hands down, no questions asked, no second.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not even enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never worked with anything that comes close to it, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: So got one.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now, you know, I've talked to the breeder about this and I've said this before.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's fun for you guys to kind of go on this journey with me, but he's definitely overkill for my family because of the things I'm talking about, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, a leaf moves and he's like, on it, got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, you know, and he's big and goofy and we love him, but, you know, we're just, we're going through the motions of what this dog is and learning as we go, which is fun, but that's where I kind of came up with these three different levels of
[SPEAKER_00]: If I don't go do what I think I need to do or express the way I feel or be able to to fill my my DNA right now I think we're all going to die that's real like he is needs to get to this thing he needs to know what it is right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, what can you do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Things I'm already talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see a dog he cues up and goes, I don't know this dog, who is this dog?
[SPEAKER_00]: I need, and I'm like, you, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because, and again, I'll be clear.
[SPEAKER_00]: Burley has never hurt another dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's never bitten another dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: My dog shepherd whoops his ass all the time and he runs away.
[SPEAKER_00]: He plays with other dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: He plays with other intact male dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has no problem from what I've seen with other dogs outside of my neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the other the other caveat they have to understand, especially with an intact mail, which means he still has his balls.
[SPEAKER_00]: The the walk that I bring him on three times a day since he was a puppy, that's his neighborhood full stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, it's not real, like it's not really his name or hood.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you have to understand dogs or animals, especially that's why they go out and pee on everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is his neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when he sees another dog walking on the street, I'm like, hey, hey, neighbor, he's like, what are you doing in my house?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what that's like, the person and the dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a double whammy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it depends on it's kind of up, and that's what I was saying
[SPEAKER_00]: or much to say with what he finds as a threat.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is baked and dim, and I just have to make a decision to go, what should I be doing here?
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I'm not gonna be able to say, hey, it's okay, it's just this person.
[SPEAKER_00]: because he's too worked up, and I'm not gonna let him go to this person because it's scary, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's like, I gotta get to you, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, I wouldn't do that to anybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: And no other dog wants to see that either.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so sometimes he does that and sometimes he doesn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, that's that game I play.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's cute up, I'm gonna walk the other way.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we have like, we travel quite a bit, not anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank God we travel I've traveled so much over the years and I'm so grateful for that all over the world literally all over the world My three-year-old son just completed his 200th flight from Australia not 200 flight from Australia But 200 flight on his way home from Australia and That gives you like context of how much we we've traveled over the years and With my with Burley when people watch him we have kind of like a group of people who watch him any days at my facility
[SPEAKER_00]: but I have a rule.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you see a dog you turn around.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care about if you know that person or if they've played before you turn around.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no questions and I know that you're going to be a hundred percent safe and a hundred percent successful.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the main reason is is frankly because it's just he's had bad encounters with other dogs before and I don't want anybody who isn't professional have to deal with that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, there's times where I heat cues up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I turn around, I go the other way, I keep walking, I allow them to pass and I go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now as a trainer, there's nothing wrong with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: because it's the safest, most effective route to be successful because when he does react, I'm not confused.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not like, what is going on?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why can't you just, I know exactly why it's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: And from a dog training standpoint, really, that's my objective.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I can figure it out of why it's happening, then likely, especially for all my clients that have helped over the years, I can deconstruct exactly what we need to do
[SPEAKER_00]: how we need to be successful.
[SPEAKER_00]: And most dogs do not fit under this category, and so therefore we are successful, very successful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Moving on to the aggression.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there are certain dogs, you know, over the years, who have been abused and have been like a lot of dogs, a lot of dogs that's a common thread, dogs who have been attacked when they were puppies,
[SPEAKER_00]: have, and this happened to my puppy Burley happened to him in my neighborhood by with another dog, basically the person didn't have super good control over the dog and the dog got to him and Burley was, I was like, all right, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a puppy six months old at the time, I was like, oh, who's this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Mr. New friend, and then all of a sudden the dog went rarer to Burley and he was like, what the hell, that could be the reason, not likely, that he has more of an
[SPEAKER_00]: Some dogs who have had traumatic experiences, they just don't like dogs anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've also had dogs in the past and my life where they hit a certain age, they don't like dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's over.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've, I've had dogs go to daycare for four or five years and then all of a sudden, they don't like dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, it is what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm gonna spend the rest of my life successful.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's inconvenient, but I'm gonna spend the rest of my life successful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry guys, I went to work out this morning and my hair's all slimy, not slimy, but like dry and anyway, anyway, if you're watching this and Spotify or YouTube, sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that, the aggression, or you just have a dog, who just doesn't like other dogs, like full stop,
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't like other dogs they will try to kill other dogs they will try to bite other dogs these dogs are typically
[SPEAKER_00]: silent, like typically, they really like wait for an opportunity to get close and then go.
[SPEAKER_00]: The dogs who are the loudest are usually the ones who are just the reactive, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They just need to get there and they need to figure everything out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, with, and I'm giving you guys, I'm self-conscious a little bit because I'm not trying to make this all about my dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just using him as reference because it's going to be really helpful for you guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, early, if he was that reactive when I let him go, he would go up there, he would
[SPEAKER_00]: and if the other dog played out he would probably play if they rolled over he'd probably walk away and they tried to fight him he would also just stand there because he's done that I've had dogs literally try to go after him and other people are trying to pull their dogs back and he's just standing there
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's it's wild, but and again, could be the reason why he's like maybe I don't like dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I need to be big now or probably not, but so a lot of the aggression dogs, there there is a degree of they just don't like other dogs and there's nothing you can do about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing any trainer can do about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to just do what I'm talking about is you manage the situation and a lot of times I also talk about what's the ROI return on investment.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have a dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: that doesn't like other dogs, you've seen it over and over again, there's no point in risking getting close to another dog if you don't have to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, my job for my reactive dogs is trying to get to the the core of like the reason why we're reactive and then try to remove the stress from the owner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's my job.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I think I've been so successful with a lot of dogs that I've worked with because my main goal is to go, okay, the owner came in stress out of
[SPEAKER_00]: The stress off the owner, then, you know, they're going to be happier, they're going to be more comfortable, they're going to be more confident bird species, the best chapstick, by the way, not a nads, but just my favorite.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't go anywhere without it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of times I just tell these dog owners like, hey, if you if your dog likes tug, play tug, move past, if your dog likes food, give them food, move past, but so 90% of dogs, I will try to work through.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was say, hey, there's no reason for you to be this reactive.
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to work through this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's modify this.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's most dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nine times out of 10, that's most dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we do, successfully, you guys have seen it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Over and over again on my YouTube channel, there's, that's objective, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's what we can do.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there are these percentage of dogs, I have one.
[SPEAKER_00]: And some of my clients around the world do have and they just,
[SPEAKER_00]: don't like other dogs and it's not worth you trying to put yourself in an unsafe situation to then really distilled down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, even if we did get through that situation and it was successful, meaning we didn't have a huge reaction.
[SPEAKER_00]: How stressed were you?
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: What was the risk of it not going well?
[SPEAKER_00]: You letting go of the dog getting dragged and then the dog biting somebody else.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a difference between like a protection dog and the aggressive dog again, a dog like Burley wouldn't do anything to another dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I say that now, and again, I'm not naive to eat my own words in five years, two years, six months, hopefully not, but he's good with dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: He lives with other dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's friendly, he plays with dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: But my point is, is like, typically those protective dogs are big scary.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to get to you, I need to check your ID, and of course, we don't allow that to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that kind of, but that's a big difference in significance between the aggression and the protection is the aggression actually when they do get to the other dog, they will fight the other dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: They will try to hurt the other dog, they will bite, they will cause damage.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the solution
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes we can get a dog that is very aggressive and get them back down to just a little reactive, but it still doesn't change the way they feel about other dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of like this ladder that you go up and down.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I would say just knowing what you have and understanding the dog you have will make you so much more successful so much more confident because you know what you have like so many people are like I want my dog to be somebody they're not and then I go well let's stop right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, an example would be my two dogs fought into the death one day, and I want them to like each other again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's stop right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: You were for the rest of your life going to be very, very, very frustrated and upset because you're trying to put a square in around hole.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to work.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't like each other anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you have to just manage the situation or get rid of one of the other dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you guys have heard that on my podcast several times with several different cases.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I just find that the more like for me with Burley in the beginning stages, again, using him as an example when I go out, I'm trying to figure him out and he's developing and maturing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now that he's too, I can kind of figure out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, again, here's the strategy.
[SPEAKER_00]: He locks in on a dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna go the other way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna avoid the situation, especially because there's a good chance the other person walking with the dog doesn't have control, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm gonna go the other way because there's no point in me
[SPEAKER_00]: trying to move past that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not necessary, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not looking at him confused in wanting to change that because I can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the missing piece.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people have a hard time with.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, most people, again, to reiterate, do have a dog that you can modify.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do have a dog that you can change most people, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You just have to find the source of the issue, and then try to modify that and work through that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I really and I hope that this makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that like when I do these kind of live podcast without cuts or edits or anything, it can be kind of a It seems anyway sometimes at like a mismatch.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me know in the in the comments on YouTube and on Spotify.
[SPEAKER_00]: If this is helpful, but I wanted to kind of separate the differences between reaction protection and aggression and again, I kind of came up with this idea with Burley is if you don't know on the outside, you would think that he's a vicious dog sometimes because how reactive he can be.
[SPEAKER_00]: But same thing with half the goleons in my neighborhood, sometimes when they're reacted right, but you have to look beyond the reaction.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to look beyond the bark.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to look past that and go, what's the real intentions here?
[SPEAKER_00]: What do we actually have here?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is actually going on?
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's why I wanted to make this podcast and make this video.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, hopefully this was helpful.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you guys haven't checked out some of my other, I just had Dr. Abraham Frick on Dr. Matt Cabreline and a bunch of other great guests are coming on on the podcast that I would encourage you guys to check out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Specifically the Dr. Frick podcast, one of the best podcasts I've done that I've enjoyed by what she was saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's a Kyle Praktor, she's been a vet since I was before it was born.
[SPEAKER_00]: an amazing podcast you can check that out of course on all my podcast platforms thank you guys so much for watching and listening and thank you thank you thank you thank you and let's talk to you on the next podcast peace