[SPEAKER_01]: Hello everyone, welcome to the Delta Flyers journey through the wormhole with Quark Dax and their good friends, Tom and...
[SPEAKER_01]: Harry Kim.
[SPEAKER_03]: Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Harry Kim.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to go with your full character.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can start saying that from now on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you can you if you want to include the middle initials remember there's S and L as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Harry S L Kim, which I jokingly said stood stood for sushi loving because they never told me when S L meant so could be anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like sushi loving.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Armin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, hi.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have the last name.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe I didn't have the first name.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're like share.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're an icon.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't even need a last name.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've always told people on the one show on Star Trek.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have a last name and on the other show on Buffy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have a first name.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, no, that's pretty cool together.
[SPEAKER_01]: What was your last name on Buffy?
[SPEAKER_00]: Snyder.
[SPEAKER_00]: Principle.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he had your first name.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just snark Snyder.
[SPEAKER_03]: Quark Snyder, but the great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look Snyder, is that the way with all for Rinky?
[SPEAKER_00]: They have no family name?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, there's never been a for Rinky with two names.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're almost invariably one syllable names.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, long, long, quite.
[SPEAKER_00]: One syllable names.
[SPEAKER_00]: And not interested.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which I suppose is indicative.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a terrible way to look at this, but of our height.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would just short.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did notice in this episode, Sarak grew so much and I haven't seen what because we haven't seen Jake and Nog together for a while and to see Sarak in this episode how tall he's tall.
[SPEAKER_01]: How tall is Sarak six foot three?
[SPEAKER_00]: He was at this point I think in season five, I would arguably say that he was the tallest person in the cast.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's he's taller than Avery at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Six three sounds right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe six four is he maybe six four.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's really tall.
[SPEAKER_00]: He may not.
[SPEAKER_00]: He may not have been taller than Michael Dorn, but but he's certainly I think is taller than Avery Michael Dorn.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Michael's about my height six feet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think order arm really.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I, I, I, well, okay, but I, I maybe, I mean, you've stood next to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, and all, everybody's taller than I am.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I can't judge.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I would have thought Michael was a little taller, but that may just be his first.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think when he was dressed as war, he's taller as war.
[SPEAKER_00]: That may be it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The, the prosthetics, the big thing on hair, thing, every as big.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, everybody on the show had high heels except for me, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we have a little, uh, some birthdays to acknowledge Robbie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we do.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do.
[SPEAKER_01]: We first, let's start with Sean T on February 2nd.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's his birthday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sean happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday, Sean.
[SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday to Sean.
[SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday, Sean.
[SPEAKER_03]: Next up, we have Karen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Galaski, February 5th, 25.
[SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday, Karen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday, Karen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have a great day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Our last birthday, this week is for E on February 7th.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday, E. E. Congratulations.
[SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday, E.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very proud of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in a zone lately.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you have?
[SPEAKER_00]: With my nose.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I should have known.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've taken a different approach that I'm trying to focus not on the plot because it's hard to squeeze a plot into a limerick.
[SPEAKER_01]: So instead of trying to capture all the events, I just focus on a character.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this week, we focused kind of on you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, get's go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: on a mountain where timbers would fray.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo and quirk crashed their shuttle one day.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when quirk looked at death, he fought with his last breath and climbed into being a hero on the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's very nice indeed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're welcome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Later on, I wanted to discuss why did they decide to make quirk a hero on?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure why they did that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is a hero in this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he goes beyond his potential.
[SPEAKER_03]: See, Armin, whenever you get a little salty about the treatment of cork by the other DS9 series regulars, just think of Robby and I because we always elevate We love cork and place you on a pedestal every scripture your 30 years to late
[SPEAKER_03]: If we invent a time machine, we will be back there to boost them around for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: You had the opportunity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, we were all working together.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could have come over and we didn't know that we had no idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: We did not know that cork was basically a punching bag by with for everyone for a long time.
[SPEAKER_03]: We did not know that so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I should have put a sign up, you're absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll say seven were a quark as a punching bag.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: High coup time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Odo arrests cork.
[SPEAKER_03]: Orion's plant shuttle bomb.
[SPEAKER_03]: cork climbs the summit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: That can't be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does climb the summit.
[SPEAKER_01]: The moral summit as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as well as the physical summit, I will tell you a story a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to hear about the location you filmed that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a feeling it was very challenging.
[SPEAKER_00]: What about etymology?
[SPEAKER_00]: The word, a scent, or ascent.
[SPEAKER_00]: according to the OED, is from the French Descentre, or Descentre, both French words.
[SPEAKER_00]: The definition is the act of mounting or soaring up upward movement rise, or the second definition is
[SPEAKER_00]: rise in thought, which I think is appropriate here for the conversation we were just having, a rise in thought, estimation, social station, I think is again, referring back to what we were just talking about, advancement.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was an example that I wrote down,
[SPEAKER_00]: His assent is not by any such easy degrees, and that's from Korea-Lanus Act 2 seen too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not only about going up physically, going up, but morally, spiritually, intellectually moving up the latter.
[SPEAKER_03]: Enlightenment in a way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Enlightenment.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: and like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, this episode was written by Iris Steven Bear and Robert Hewitt Wolf and directed by our good buddy Alan Cricker.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was relatively new to the Star Trek world at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he became a fixture.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, became a fixture, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think one thing I noticed in this episode was Alan Cricker puts actors at ease and you can feel it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can feel it with all of the actors in this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember it when he was directing us.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember it from Chuck when he came on to direct a bunch of episodes of Chuck, the actors just loved him.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were just at a ease.
[SPEAKER_01]: They felt safe.
[SPEAKER_01]: They felt like they could explore.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I felt that in this episode a lot with you and Renee and everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It brings out good performances.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, of the hundred and seven of these are so episodes that we did, this is the most vibrant memory I have of all the episodes was doing this one mainly because it was with Renee for all of my scenes with our scenes was with Renee.
[SPEAKER_00]: And too, because it was outside, I believe this is the first time I've actually shot outside of a soundstage seven and gone on location.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was quite a trip.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had to travel to Mount Whitney in order to shoot this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And whenever you're ready, I will tell you the story of the the problem it caused me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's talk about it when we get to those scenes in the in the location.
[SPEAKER_01]: I perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so we have guest stars.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ben screwed-end chick as Ram and Aaron Eisenberg as Naga.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of a bottle show in a way, but also with the nature as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the bottle for all of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the B story for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you guys out in Mount Whitney.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, all right.
[SPEAKER_03]: The trivia that I have for you is that the origin of this episode is to be found in Iris Stephen Bears love for the 1949 Samuel Beckett play waiting for Gado.
[SPEAKER_03]: He and Robert Hewitt Wolf use the play as their template for the Ascent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Waiting for Gado, interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or when Andy directed it, they didn't call it Gado.
[SPEAKER_00]: They went, Gado.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gado?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that the correct pronunciation?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Gado.
[SPEAKER_00]: We in America say, you know, Gado, but I believe the correct pronunciation is Gado.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gado.
[SPEAKER_00]: And which makes more sense because Gado is sort of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gado.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw a production of Gado at
[SPEAKER_01]: The Matrix.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that the one that Andy directed?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I see.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's probably why it was there where they said, God, oh, yes, God, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw that production.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was very good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was one of the Matrix's better productions, and they've always did really good productions, but that was one of the, that excelled.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was terrific and, and they had two casts as they normally did at that time at the Matrix.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, good friends all that were involved in that Tony Amendola, Greg it's in John Dicker Jady column.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jady column.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Jady column.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I remember Jady.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen him on stage before and he was wonderful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, is lucky.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Armand, when you mentioned the assent having a French origin, I'm wondering, do a lot of the French origin words that we use in English.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are they there because of the invasion in 1066 by the Normans of the Saxony, with that be correct?
[SPEAKER_00]: Excellent.
[SPEAKER_00]: French was the Royal language for many, many years.
[SPEAKER_00]: The court only spoke French because of the Norman invasion, and a lot of our English words come from the French either that or the tutonic because before the French invaded the,
[SPEAKER_00]: the Tutonic tribes invaded England and so the middle English, the old English has a lot of Tutonic words in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been watching a series called the King in the Conqueror, which is all about William the Conqueror and King Harold of the Saxon side of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's been a wonderful series to watch so.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The study of language has always been very important to me, so all of this is Mother's Milk to Me here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of which, if I may, at this time, I can use this moment to advertise a class that I'm about to teach.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, please tell us.
[SPEAKER_00]: which will be a zoom class.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyone out there, I advocate that you go to the NTS website.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me spell that for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's www dot A N T A E U S dot org.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll be teaching a Shakespeare class where I talk about language.
[SPEAKER_00]: on March the 28th and 29th.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe there are two separate classes, but they might be one class.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I believe just to get this out of the way that the fee is $125.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we won't do it until March, so there's lots of time to go to www.nts.org and sign up for the class.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I taught this class before, it's been astounding.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've had people from around the world all in the Zoom class together.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember once I had a student from Afghanistan, I had a person from China, I had a person from India, lots of English people, excuse me, people from England, Irish people from Ireland, and it's quite a collective.
[SPEAKER_01]: That sounds so exciting and to be able to access that on Zoom from all over the world is amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's for the most part, it's a lecture on language and Shakespeare and rhetoric.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there is some acting involved.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to be an actor to attend, of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you will learn more about the language.
[SPEAKER_00]: The very stuff that Garrett was just talking about is part of my lecture series.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, everyone sign up and it's nts.org is where you can sign up for this class, correct?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And nts is a Greek word and our theater is named after a Greek mythological character, nts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, good luck with that and have fun for all those that can attend.
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds really wonderful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's dive right into this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is interesting because we don't know the star day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Usually, there's like a...
[SPEAKER_01]: Captain's law, or something, StarDake, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't even know the StarDake.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a timeless episode, Armin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your performance is terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: We start off in Cisco's quarters.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake is packing up a suitcase and we learn to the scene and he's moving out.
[SPEAKER_01]: packing a lot according to Cisco and we learn he's moving in with Nog and Cisco's Cisco says he thinks these quarters are too far away.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said, you know, G12 is practically right next door, but he's Jake's not moving to G12.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's over in section M. So very far the other side of the habitat ring.
[SPEAKER_01]: Too far away for Cisco.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not far enough for Jake.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not for enough for there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco confirms the rules that they've agreed to, no surprise visits, but they'll have dinners, drop buys, all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Jake heads out with a suitcase, not even closed.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not even closed.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's carrying so much stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's something they must have done because
[SPEAKER_00]: because that's not in my script, it's not in my, in fact, it's quite explicit that the suitcase does close in the script.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that nothing is sticking out.
[SPEAKER_00]: But of course, when you're actually shooting something and you've got a thousand things to think about, you don't always get, you know, close in the suitcase.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that detail, but it's that he's just,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a part of his whole story.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the whole shadow of his messy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not Felix.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who's the messy one in the odd couple?
[SPEAKER_03]: Felix.
[SPEAKER_03]: Felix, you don't know the other one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oscar Oscar, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's Oscar.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if I said it, but he's moving in with Nog.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, you do learn that.
[SPEAKER_00]: OK. And Nog has been away and now Nog is coming back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's back from Starfleet Academy.
[SPEAKER_01]: and we uh... go to uh... looks like roms quarters or yeah i think it's roms quarters roms arranging the room the doorbell rings and i thought at first that that might be from behind you don't see roms facing the beginning so i thought all we've cut to nog but it turns around and it's wrong okay which
[SPEAKER_01]: which I thought was, you know, just a little detail directorally that sort of keeps your anticipation of noncoming back going a little longer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's a relative, which we already knew about Ron.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, part of his neurosis.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But make sure you're good engineer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's one thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: But what a nice uncle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Corx shows up with root beer, which is what, you know, cork hates root beer, obviously.
[SPEAKER_03]: But
[SPEAKER_03]: It's Nog's favorite drink so why not you got a lot of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got a lot of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen a refrigerator in any of these room I guess there's must be someplace to put it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: The tops on those rooopiers were interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, it looked like a baby's bottle or something on top with a little...
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it was different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wrong tries, he drinks one, wrong decides he's going to try one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Says it's very fizzy, but that was funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Doorbell rings again, it's Odo arriving.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he comes in,
[SPEAKER_01]: just in a great mood because he is finally going to arrest Quark for his some big offense.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he doesn't tell you what it is, which I was a little offended by.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, even in the present day, you have to tell people what the charges are.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to say,
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm detaining you for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Quark has beneath contempt, so why even waste breath on him?
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's in this country, you have to tell somebody.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's certain countries that are just like this, where you are told what you did, and you go straight to prison usually.
[SPEAKER_01]: Seems like the federation would have some rules to protect people here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I guess Odo's not technically federation.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is not.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not federation.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't fall under that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this court that they eventually will go to, uh, I don't think it's Federation, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he says Federation grand jury.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it does he, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: He does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Federation grand jury on Inferna Prime, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Inferna Prime.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he says Inferna Prime.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does he say Inferna?
[SPEAKER_03]: That sounds like a rock band inferna Prime on stage next.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you were very relaxed getting this news.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: because he was wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: You were right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: I shouldn't have been relaxed.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're absolutely old.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have criticisms of my performance in this.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: I should have been a little bit more concerned.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because really, him coming in and being so overjoyed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's finally going to arrest me to think of it to defend what I did, which I don't want to do, which is I've been arrested so many times by by Odo that this is just another one.
[SPEAKER_00]: But but I really when I look at my performance, I think there's I should have been more perturbed by this announcement.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's certainly for getting ready to see
[SPEAKER_00]: Nog.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's ruining your plans.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's ruining my plans for getting together with my nephew for the first time in a long time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, I bought it because I felt like you knew that you were a witness in that one, you know, they didn't tell me he doesn't tell you that in the beginning.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if anything, instead of concern, I think maybe there could have been more confusion on this part of the course of what are you talking about just what's I've done nothing, you know, maybe that, but the writers didn't give me those lines.
[SPEAKER_00]: they do not it's mostly my fault i'll take blame for it but the writers could have helped me out here by giving me what are you talking about i could just that would have been sufficient yeah i mean the upside to your choice was i immediately thought
[SPEAKER_01]: quarks not guilty of anything, but he doesn't know what he's being touched, but you know what you've been doing in the last three months though, I mean, you've been doing a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you think I'm even doing one thing, you're sadly mistaken.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always got something going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some happening up this sleeve.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we cut to the to the runabout real grand there on their way to this grand jury.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the real grand.
[SPEAKER_01]: headed to the grand jury.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hainus a crime, then shouldn't I be locked up or in some way restrained?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little too easy going.
[SPEAKER_00]: The whole, this whole rest thing is just very easy going.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is very easy going.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it takes, it takes the threat away.
[SPEAKER_00]: It takes, it takes the threat of Quark finally being convicted of something that he's done, a busted.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It takes it away.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,
[SPEAKER_00]: whether it's, I primarily the actor's fault, I will always take responsibility first, but also let's lay it at the, not only the, the writer's feet, but also the director's feet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We should have had a little bit more tension about him going on his way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Usually when, when any of the Starfleet characters are on their way on a, on a mission, there's a tension there.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was no tension here.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the winner?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it makes sense later on, spoiler alert, when we find out that Oda really didn't know anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was baiting you to try to get you to confess to things.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it does make sense why he wanted you on the bridge with him to hopefully confess to something or give him some information that you eventually come out with later on, but I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It did occur to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, oh, I wish Alan had added some stakes here, a little more pressure in terms of the performance.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there wasn't upside to your playing the innocence a hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did enjoy that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Quark is bored up here on the bridge.
[SPEAKER_00]: And why is he bored?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the journey is so long.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the end of the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo says this is going to take his days to get there, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a long journey.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quark wants to play cards.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo really does not want to play cards.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's reading and Quark says he thought all his problems.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of Odo's problems were because he was a changeling.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he realizes now he's just always going to be a grumpy guy who doesn't enjoy life at all and Quark grabs his book that he's reading and then he realizes oh, wait, maybe he's not as boring.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo's not as boring as I thought he's reading a romance novel.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was very funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, I was laughing my butt off and also Robbie is more than a day because it's a hundred and ninety-one hours give her take a day Okay, oh it's days.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's amazing Okay, I think it was a day to get.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's days to get there like a week days to get there Let's remember that for later on.
[SPEAKER_01]: We also learned in the scene the quark has a first edition
[SPEAKER_01]: of the Vulcan Loveslave, the romance novel, novel from Vulcan, which I thought was very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Vulcan Loveslave.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, is it a good book?
[SPEAKER_00]: Armour?
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a very good book.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially page 37.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: What is the reason that Otto gives for reading this romance novel?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's learning about criminal behavior, because a lot of criminals read this sort of sort of.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So all the ladies out there and all of you guys who read romance novels, this is all criminal behavior.
[SPEAKER_01]: You offer him to sell him your first edition of Vulcan Loves, but he says no, no, just leave me alone.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Quark wants to know the charges in this scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about time after a couple of days.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's about time.
[SPEAKER_01]: What does says, no, this is super secret information.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's super secret investigation cannot tell you the charges.
[SPEAKER_01]: And goes back to his reading.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't look like he's trying to find out anything from Quark, which is, again, oh, later, saying, it's not like he's trying to, you know, such out what this mission is really about.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love this episode in my memory.
[SPEAKER_00]: My memory just love this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as I watched it this time, I went, oh, there are flaws.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of flaws that I didn't see them.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard because we've said this a thousand times with the writers.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're writing these stories so quickly every seven days.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had to have a new script.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: you know with the time away from it like you've had arm and to go back and look you start to see some of that rushed they don't have time to to read and reread and kind of just you know marinate in the story and go oh wait a minute we should have Odo
[SPEAKER_01]: Fishing here a little more.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've time to catch those flaws.
[SPEAKER_00]: So as Garrett said earlier on, you know, they're emulating, waiting for Godo.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's their main focus, I think, and so this getting this preparatory time before the important thing that happens a little bit later on, it's just sort of filler until we get to the meaty stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we cut to the captain's office.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nog reports for duty.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's very official, Nog.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a whole new Nog.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've never seen this version.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Avery never clocks that.
[SPEAKER_00]: no he doesn't he does not clock that at all again a flaw he should have gone who is this kid you know this is not the dog that i know he doesn't and in fact what he does bring to the scene is left over residual and and typically towards dog that he's had before and doesn't take into consideration this is a different dog in front of him
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm going to be the counterpoint on that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the very final The final bit of dialogue from Cisco does clock it just a little bit because he says you inspire me with confidence cadet Disgnus so it's almost like he's like yes, and if he read it like that, Garrett
[SPEAKER_00]: I would go with you, but he said it very ironically.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, I have no other way than.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he's very ironic.
[SPEAKER_00]: You all have inspired me with confidence.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's more like that is that that you, this is just a behavior that you're putting on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe it when I owed it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: He sort of searches for that word.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says you,
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's painful to say, inspire me with confidence.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the one thing that the performance is something else.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the performance, it's a big.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's digging at him still.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's still seeing him as though I heard it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's just a shame because, and, and, and, Armin, I guess I'll jump to my quibble at the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's true with a lot of characters in this, including quark.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that the growth
[SPEAKER_01]: especially that the foranky characters are making just is not being acknowledged by the other characters the only one that does it in this episode is miles up Ryan that's right when he says not you did really great today and he seems sincere about it and honest that's the only one and everybody else is is referred back to you know the first season of deep space night I'm thinking about Tom Paris as a character and how he came on as being kind of contemptible by
[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of characters.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a very flawed character.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the end, I feel like people acknowledged the change in Tom Paris and the growth they really did.
[SPEAKER_01]: And without that, I think I would be very bitter as an actor and as a character.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if those characters had not acknowledged the growth Tom Paris made over seven years.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm seeing especially in this episode
[SPEAKER_01]: ROM is now an engineer, he's got a Starfleet uniform on, like, these foreign characters are changing and growing, and people should acknowledge that, and not just in dialogue, but in the performance, in the way that they get the performance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even Nanah, in the next scene, we're going to talk about it, but even Kira is very suspicious of Nog's comments and growth, and...
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's get to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go out on the end to ops.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kira is still pregnant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ask Nog in a very short scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: How did it go?
[SPEAKER_01]: And Nog says, I inspire him, is what he says.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Kira's response was very, again, almost ironic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, congratulations.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't let him down.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it wasn't
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, you're a different song.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wish we had seen that a bit more, because I saw it as an audience view.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what Aaron is doing, it's a different song.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's physically different.
[SPEAKER_00]: He looks really fit by the way in this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: He does.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's gone to the gym or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of days at the gym.
[SPEAKER_00]: And his demeanor is different.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's not,
[SPEAKER_00]: cackling anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does smile a lot, but he doesn't cackle anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: It said he's a serious cadet and no one is recognizing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that I cannot tell you, even 30 years later, it still pains me to see that behavior.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not knocks behavior, but everyone reacting to knock.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, but as viewers, Robby and I both acknowledge his change, we see it, we see it, the audience sees it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why didn't the actors see it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: At this point, Nena has already had her child, correct?
[SPEAKER_03]: In real life?
[SPEAKER_03]: In real life.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because we talked about how I think we already talked about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: She looks very pregnant.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, but I'm saying, for the story, maybe they kept her fake pregnant because that child hadn't, you know, been born to her story, but in real life, I think she'd already had the child at one point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because we had an episode where we were talking about how, um,
[SPEAKER_03]: It was, do you remember this?
[SPEAKER_03]: It was on the planet.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was going to be here in the storyline.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But no, uh, Sid was with doing something about breaking up with with Chase Masterson.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we were saying he wasn't that focus because I admit, he's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That Nena had actually given birth like that was the risa episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which is,
[SPEAKER_03]: Fairly recent from, yeah, unless this was filmed, unless this was filmed before, to remember, it could have been, and they flipped flopped it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did the same thing on Voyager with a lot of, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Sam had had had had had a baby and they hid the pregnancy the year before, the season before, they had to dress it in story, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And real life she had a baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the next year they decided to write a,
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... pregnancy store a fake pregnancy for the story so and they put a fake belly on her then yeah put a fake belly on her so but but she looks flushed i mean she's not pregnant it's not that the just a belly it's right she looks like she's got water retention not in the bad way that's what happens in pregnancy yeah it's hard to talk about i'm hard to confuse to say i'm a little confused yet
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the next scene after Nog says the captain is inspired by him.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go into Jake and Nog's quarters.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake and a Nog arrive in this suite.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a beautiful, beautiful quarters.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're both very impressed and excited.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nog immediately checks for dust on the countertop.
[SPEAKER_01]: He signs them odd and even cleaning days, talks about going to bed early by 10 p.m. which I took offense too, because I'm in bed by 10 p.m.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's too early.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I like that dialogue between the odd and even ones.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so Jay goes, chapter 9 says,
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll do the odd, you do the even, and Jake says we're going to clean every day and not go, no, just the odd and even once.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was sort of laughing so hard, it was like, oh my god, it is every day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We learned that Nog wants to get up at 430 for the gym every day.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a little excessive in my book.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he heads out and Jake is a bit concerned at the end of this scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, at least Jake has clocked the fact that Nog is changing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake knows exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like their quarters, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like, I don't know what set they recycled for this, whose room it was, but maybe miles.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looked a little like the O'Brien's quarters?
[SPEAKER_00]: The O'Brien's.
[SPEAKER_00]: It might have been a course.
[SPEAKER_00]: It might have been a bronze.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're very spacious.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very spacious.
[SPEAKER_01]: For two young lads, I thought that was a very luxurious,
[SPEAKER_03]: We're back on the Rio Grande in the next scene and Quark is so bored.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's tossing the playing cards, which definitely looked like coasters for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought they were coasters.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, you're no coasters.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the playing cards from earlier when they're playing physics.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the physics cards.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's physics cards.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's also the cards that we use for not double, but for...
[SPEAKER_00]: No, this is not a game.
[SPEAKER_00]: We pl-tango.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tango.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: God.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're tongue-go-carts.
[SPEAKER_03]: For our show, they're tongue-go-carts.
[SPEAKER_03]: God, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So in the beginning, you know, super bored, but all sudden, there's a buzzing sound.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, everyone's like, what, where's that coming from?
[SPEAKER_03]: I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, sorry, sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Only Quark, here's the buzzing sound.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ah, sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: So Quark, here's a buzzing sound.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or here's the smacking, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, but that's the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, it's the Fraggy ears, they're so sensitive that he's eating soup and, and I self-ranade with it was like, there was the slightest little little breath.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't supposed to do that because as I said, I had the script in front of me and the writers are very specific.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're still not want to hear a sound.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they did not want to hear a sound.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, we understand the quark, here's the sound, but they did not want the audience to hear anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because Renee did a little bit of an inhale of the soup.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Huh, so anyway, it's quark that here's the buzzing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and then eventually, I think Odo does also catch a bit of a bud's going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: They can hear the buzz.
[SPEAKER_03]: They go over to, I guess, the panel on the floor.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And once they open the panel, they realize, and that's got to be the coolest looking bomb I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, what the heck is that thing?
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,
[SPEAKER_03]: Obama.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about to go off.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looked to me like do you remember those toys?
[SPEAKER_01]: We were a kid that you pull the string.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a top and it had all the metal.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a metal sculpture sort of top that you would spend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember those?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: After my time.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was made of metal?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was made of metal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was, you'd put it into this little holder thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wrap the string around it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you pull the string in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and it would shoot out of it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It would come off the whole line.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come off the holder.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I remember those.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of structural.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe props was influenced by that toy as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had one.
[SPEAKER_03]: with your major Matt Mason.
[SPEAKER_01]: My major Matt Mason.
[SPEAKER_03]: My old school toys.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, which are new school for armament.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yes, they are new school.
[SPEAKER_03]: We go to commercial break.
[SPEAKER_03]: We come back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Auto tries to be meant to space.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that what you're trying to do?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think so.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the explosion.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm guessing it does get into space a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm not or does it blow up as it's being, I was a little confused here in terms of what happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says channel the explosion through the transporter buffer, which is the only explanation I have for why it's sparking.
[SPEAKER_01]: like when it blows up right the sparks are actually coming from high at like it didn't make geographic sense to me and they should have been more for them to damage that was done to this ship yes including destroying rations
[SPEAKER_00]: And there just should have been a ton more of explosions and special effects and fireworks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just seemed two minors, though the damage was only done in the in the one room.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, even after the explosion there should have been the residue like everything should have been black and panels flop open and it seemed okay afterwards I I didn't think of it until you bring it up now, but you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it should have been a bigger explosion the systems are failing after this explosion their sparks beginning to go off continually all around them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and Otis says we got to find a place to land, and he finds an L class planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: How convenient.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Barely habitable, but it's the closest thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They might be able to limp their way to the L class planet and we cut out to space.
[SPEAKER_01]: We see this planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Blue oceans, white clouds.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like a beautiful planet.
[SPEAKER_03]: It looked like Earth a little bit from the first year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it did.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looked like an M-class planet to me, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[SPEAKER_01]: That's who they are investigating, and we realized that he was playing Quark this whole time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Otto didn't know anything, but he knew that they were investigating something super secret.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Quark has kind of shown his hand finally here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it took me a minute to catch what the Roger, the writer logic was of this, because as you said, Armin, in the earlier scenes, it didn't seem like Otto was fishing a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that would have helped set this up and he's trying to get information and not get it and then finally quarks as it's the Orion Syndicate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Aha!
[SPEAKER_00]: That would have been the...
[SPEAKER_00]: It would have helped.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if Quark had been fishing as well, then the just by happenstance saying the Orion and seeing Odo's response then quark indeed also would have gone, oh, that's what this is all about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's still in the dark about why he's on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he doesn't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Quark is very mad in this scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: He realizes he was tricked by Odo.
[SPEAKER_01]: He denies working with the Orion Syndicate.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, I just know someone who knows someone, who knows a guy, who knows a guy, was very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's Quark.
[SPEAKER_01]: He always knows a guy, who knows a guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if he doesn't know him, Ram knows him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then they crash.
[SPEAKER_01]: They get their, this all happens as they're entering the planet's atmosphere.
[SPEAKER_01]: window when you're crashing through the trees and things like that, I think that was that was a shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, they hit the tree tops.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a black out and then we come a little later, we see quarks coming to and he's cold.
[SPEAKER_01]: We learn the replicators to destroy, there's no comms.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Odo says, I've got two rations, one for me, one for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So either we're going to freeze to death, or we're going to starve to death, you pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't does not sound very hopeful at the end of the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we've arrived on the planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I think I must retell my experience on the planet or in the location.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that location is Mount Whitney, a 14,500 foot mountain in Central California.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the crew stayed in Lone Pine, which was super cool because Renee loved the fact that he was able to have dinner and hang out with you after shooting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you were arrested.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Karen applied my makeup in Lone Pine, and we put everything on, not the costume of course, but all the makeup was done at a lower elevation, at basically sea level.
[SPEAKER_00]: We then drove about 40 minutes or so, half hour or 40 minutes, up into the Mount Whitney area.
[SPEAKER_00]: We now were in a much, much higher elevation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember what the elevation was, but it was much higher.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got out of the van, went to my trailer, felt a little, little queasy.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the first shots, I think, the first shot that we had to do that first day on location was for me to cross a log, a very large log shouldn't be a problem whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_00]: I went to rehearse it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I looked at the log and there was water underneath the log.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's we see the shot later on in the episode, and the water swimming in front of me, the log is swimming in front of me.
[SPEAKER_00]: My stomach feels like I'm about to throw up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm
[SPEAKER_00]: way out of myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if I can cross that log.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really don't know if I can don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I report this to the first AD.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm having a real problem here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he sent me to the medic and I gave the medic my symptoms.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he reached into his bag and took
[SPEAKER_00]: and God bless him that was a miracle drug.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how it work, why it worked, but all of my craziness disappeared.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was very, very grateful, but I didn't understand why I had felt that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: A little bit later on in the day I went to craft service and I saw a bag of potato chips and it looked like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right, and I went, oh, that's my problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: because my name is also to sealed, it's the head, the head, his head, Robbie, because of the change in the way he's chewed.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was having pressure inside inside the head, essentially and larger.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pressure had changed the pressure inside my head had changed because my neck is all sealed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all around.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a perfect seal, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's covered to perfect seal.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the pressure inside the head, it caused me to, to have all these symptoms.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the emergency, which I took every day on location, cured all that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that, I don't have to do that,
[SPEAKER_03]: So basically, that bag of chips was your head.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, it seems like it's happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I live in the mountains.
[SPEAKER_01]: I we live at over 6,000 feet above sea level.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're pretty high already.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a great trip that I like to take to mirror lake, which is nearby.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's it about 10 or 11,000 feet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can feel the change, even though I'm used to altitude where we live.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can feel the change when I go up to mirror lake.
[SPEAKER_01]: That the change in altitude just affects your whole body.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then many, many, many years later, when I was visiting Zion, and knew better, because I lived in that area a year before, I went up hiking in Zion and fainted from the altitude, because I was used to the Los Angeles sea level, pressure and up on Mount Zion up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was much less, and I fainted away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Drink water, don't hike real high, and don't have pharyngeum make up squeezing your neck.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or if Karen had applied it out of tune, instead of down the base of hell, I know that behind you.
[SPEAKER_03]: You would have been fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been in the end of the difference.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you notice how beautiful the day looked?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they had an amazing weather.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's supposed to be freezing on this L class planet Robbie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's super-feasing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So in order to really make that possible, to make it look cold on camera because the temperatures were as high as I think 65 degrees Fahrenheit.
[SPEAKER_03]: So not icy cold at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was the, I guess Chris Crosscove was DP on this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he was.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: He used a super super wide lens and a filter to give the film an icy look.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is the way and it did.
[SPEAKER_03]: I felt it look cold because it did look hot.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, so in the evenings, he used a neutralizing filter to tone down the orangeness of the setting sun.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, the teleseen transfer crosscove told the lab to keep the color spectrum towards blue to enhance the frigid tone that he wanted.
[SPEAKER_03]: So nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good on Chris.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now it was enormously warm up there, enormously warm up there, the entire crew was wearing shorts and t-shirts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you can notice the picture behind me there, the silver thing that Renee has on was lightweight.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't that hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the blue blanket thing behind my head was very, very hot and we used to complain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whose turn is it to wear this because I don't want to wear it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course it's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: The opposite of the character.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly opposite of the characters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were sweating underneath those costumes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the blue one that's above my head there was enormously hot.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that in the show, in the episode, it's supposed to be just the eye.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, yeah, which is very funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: And also Robbie, do you recognize the silver one?
[SPEAKER_03]: Does it ring a bell at all to you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Was that what we wore on Voyager?
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so from the episode timeless when the opening shot is two individuals wearing those exact same silver parkas looking for Voyager and it's under the ice, okay, that's the opening shot.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's Chikote and Kim wearing those suits.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you look at the time, this is season five, which means Voyager would have been we were three years behind them, so we were season two.
[SPEAKER_03]: So so I was asking Armin earlier I was like wonder if we if those were have me down for you or for me and we figured it out These we wore the hammy down so they we did they repurpose those for Voyager in the episode timeless
[SPEAKER_01]: They're interesting, interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we come back after the crash, we come to, we talk about them starving to death or freezing to death.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we cut to Jake and Nog's quarters.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Nog is doing chess flies with these high tech dumbbells.
[SPEAKER_00]: They look cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they did.
[SPEAKER_00]: They look very cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you dial in the weight.
[SPEAKER_03]: It changes the weight or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: You only have one that I like to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, later on, he hands it to Jake, and when he hands it to him, he's holding it with his finger.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's super light in real life.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if he's, maybe he should have, maybe he should have made it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Retended.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But maybe he dialed it down to zero.
[SPEAKER_01]: He could have, he could have.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's doing his chest flies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake wakes up late again.
[SPEAKER_01]: We learn he sleeps late.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake sees his story laying out on a pad past prologue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it's lying out and Nog says, Oh, yeah, I found it when I was cleaning and we learned that Nog has made some edits.
[SPEAKER_01]: He made edits.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's that corrected some spelling and population.
[SPEAKER_01]: God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jesus, he words.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake is mad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake says, do not ever change a writer's words.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's secular.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sounds like our writers.
[SPEAKER_01]: The writers never say the wrong word.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't catch that until you just said that, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a sin punishable by death.
[SPEAKER_00]: It really was.
[SPEAKER_01]: We couldn't change anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do not change a word.
[SPEAKER_01]: A dog sort of gets a little myth to himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, well, put it away next time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I won't read it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they...
[SPEAKER_01]: Just the beginnings of a little bickering, things are not happiness here in the nog J-quarters.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as far as continuity goes, I'm happy about this problem with Jake and his messiness.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very adolescent behavior, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: But have we ever seen him be this messy.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen him in quarters and and Cisco shows up after after Jake's already gotten a career never seen anything out of place Yeah, but you're right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it seems quite forced to make you super super messy guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree with you I do want to just mention it was so funny what Jake says you can work out for the both of us And that whole dialogue is dogs all into fitness and he says you don't
[SPEAKER_03]: or what you're missing, healthy body, healthy mind, and then Jake's like, no, no, no, no cliche is before breakfast or his use extra large.
[SPEAKER_03]: This dialogue is almost identical between myself and Megan.
[SPEAKER_03]: Megan is always like working out and I'm like, no, you can work out for both of us, but the difference is that if I order the orange juice, Megan would say that's way too much sugar for you right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's the added comment that Megan would make, but this was literally my life with Megan.
[SPEAKER_03]: Megan going to work out and doing all the hell the things in me going now.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can do it for both of us kind of a thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it may be laugh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you should work out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of drinks that for Engie's order.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember when Ram ordered earlier?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sanchez double nails.
[SPEAKER_00]: Twice as many snails or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Twice as many shells.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tis a shell.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, shells.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then when he had the drink in his hands clear.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh really?
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw the yellow sort of yellowish liquid.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we go back to the shuttle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Otos trying to repair something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I made a comment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice lighting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I loved that bright light.
[SPEAKER_01]: They brought into the set.
[SPEAKER_01]: It made it really feel like you were on some alien planet in a way that it doesn't off always.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, sometimes when we go to planets, it feels very like very familiar lighting and this felt like an alien planet to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought Chris did a great job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, quirk brings in a big, big case.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems heavy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does look big.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks heavy.
[SPEAKER_01]: We learn it's a subspace transmitter and quirk says if we can bring it to higher ground.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it'll work, Odo asks, how high Quark does some fake math here?
[SPEAKER_01]: Times this pie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why do you think it's fake?
[SPEAKER_01]: Mmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it turns his nose up to look out the window and says up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: That just shows the familiarity between the two actors myself and Renee.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That I can go so far as to move another way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because nose, that would be difficult if you were strangers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, true.
[SPEAKER_03]: That extremely large subspace transmitter piece.
[SPEAKER_03]: It just made me laugh because I kept thinking of the original cell phones that first came out those huge blocks that were had a big I mean, they were so bulky and I almost feel like because it's shot this was shot in the 90s.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's again the bulkiness of what we're used to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think now satellite phones are about, you know, tiny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it looks like Mount Everest that he points him to, but it's actually Mount Whitney.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Near a lawn pine, a little later, Otos trying to make a poncho out of a blanket when cork comes in.
[SPEAKER_01]: wearing those silver thermals and cork has the only survival suit.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's only one of them, but he tells Odo that, you know, all the hiking we have to do to get up there.
[SPEAKER_01]: That'll keep you warm.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's considered it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't want you to get too hot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we see them wearing a half of that outfit each.
[SPEAKER_01]: So quarks wearing the pants with a blanket.
[SPEAKER_01]: Plancho and the transmitter on his back and Odo's got the top.
[SPEAKER_01]: and his regular bottom.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're steering.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And each of them has one glove.
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's very funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did not catch that either.
[SPEAKER_03]: But what I love is the fact that we've already established that Odo is now human.
[SPEAKER_03]: So in the grand scheme of story, it's perfect that now he feels everything, the cold, the hunger, you name it, he's going through the same thing because if he was regular Odo, you're right, he could have flown the damn thing, he could have been an eagle flying the darn transmitter up to the top of the mountain and they would have been done, the end of episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: So now he has to has to deal with all the elements which he didn't breath to deal with.
[SPEAKER_03]: when he was a changeling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Odo's complaining about the cold, that hasn't changed.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's still complaining a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wishes he were a changeling to fly the transference matter up there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quark doesn't say admit that you always wished you were a solid before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quark says you always wanted to be a solid, now you're a solid, admit it.
[SPEAKER_01]: and he said, I saw you, you were jealous of Morn in the bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had your feelings for Kira, whatever that's about.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he brings up all of these things and Odo just denied it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when quirk slips.
[SPEAKER_01]: and falls and they agree to switch clothes and take turns carrying this transmitter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wrote down Bickerson's at the end of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a harmless little Bickerson's moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Waiting for God though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the Vladimir and estrogen, they bick are all the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Through the whole play.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there are modifications.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we cut back to the station and a corner.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's miles and, and nog and miles as we talked about before is the only one that says good job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're talking Starfleet shop and miles, thinks he's doing a great job.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we also learn in the scene that Nog is ambitious.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't want to be a customs inspector.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, thanks, but, you know, it's a great job for a customs inspector.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want more than that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we know, you know, that's a nice little moment of Starfleet and... And thank God, someone appreciates Nog.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank God, somebody, someone can see the change in Nog and go nice, you know, this is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was refreshing for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nog goes inside the, the quarters he shares with Jake and there are clothes and junk everywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen Jake beat this messy, clothes hanging off the replicator like it's, it's over the top.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's messy forced for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nog finds a disaster inside, Jake's got his feet up, he's reading, and Nog is just furious, and he orders Jake to clean up while he goes and gets some food at the replamat, and they fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: They start to have it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not just the bickersons.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a very hated back and forth.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did back and forth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, he says he's going to move out, doesn't he?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he says he's not, he's not, not yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, not yet, not in this scene yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK. Not quite yet, but they're, this is a real fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to, it's going to get even more personal later.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, but so we've got the bickerson's up on the mountain.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got the roommates fighting.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a conflict here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Double bickerson's double bickerson's.
[SPEAKER_01]: Back on the mountain forest, Otos carrying the transmitter this time, quarks wearing the jacket, so some time has passed.
[SPEAKER_01]: But quark is fading.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says he hasn't had a beetle or slug juice in days.
[SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't he, like, he looks at something that he's doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: The beetle is stone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he's a little.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a beetle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Stone.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Otis says it's about six more hours to the top he estimates.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he says six.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says it's a few more hours.
[SPEAKER_00]: A few more hours.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then Oto qualifies and says six.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then quark.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... says that he can do six hours but definitely not seven and a moment later they come over a peak and a lot of says forget about six hours more like six days days long ways away and and we're talking about lighting before
[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing that Chris could have done here.
[SPEAKER_00]: That shot just makes it look like a beautiful day.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a postcard picture of some location.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it just looks beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's despite whatever filters Chris put in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just looks like it's a warm day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which it was?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, totally.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks more and there and I go back to that vis-a-fax shot of the planet that looked a lot like earth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was oceans and water and if it's such a cold planet, it feels like there would be ice everywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: And grayness.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's it's raining outside here in L.A.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if this is a grayness that that they couldn't get because the days were just picture perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That week.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that was beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, they've got six days or more or whatever to hiked this big We cut to kind of heading downhill now.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going into a valley and quirk is counting every step
[SPEAKER_01]: because he wants to know how many steps, however many steps he takes down, he's going to have to take that many back up.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're doing a lot of math in this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, as Nog says earlier, the fringy are very good with figures.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's ironic and charming to me that when I get into tough situations, the way I get through them, now I'm meeting something personal, but
[SPEAKER_00]: The way I get through them is to just take a deep breath and say this will be over I just have to get through it and so I start counting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't count footsteps.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I go one two three I just if I I know eventually if I get not to any particular number
[SPEAKER_00]: But if I just count, whatever is terrible that's happening to me will eventually be over and I just count, if you've seen me on a plane where I have a panic attack, it's just me counting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's ironic, and I never told anyone this before.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, my close friends, so the writers wouldn't have known, but this is exactly what you do.
[SPEAKER_00]: You do what I use when I'm in a similar situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe because of this episode, whoever put in that technology onto, I guess, Apple watches and iPhones that count your steps.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it was from this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're just watching this point out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look at that, he's counting his steps.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to put that into this technology right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's counting the steps.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo is is gloating about how much he can't wait for the grand jury to to nail quirk finally.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quirk tells Odo that the Orion Syndicate tried to kill him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's not a suspect.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a witness.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he says, Odo, you failed.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is your whole theory is wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Odo is shocked that he's wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: He thought he had busted quirk.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Odo says,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I couldn't join this syndicate this crime group because I was a failed business man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a nobody and Cork says you've been trying it, you know, you've been trying to catch me for years.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so who's a failure really, Odo?
[SPEAKER_01]: So you sort of turn it, you flip it on Odo, the logic here, you know, who's the failure on a failed business man.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm not a part of this crime syndicate and you've spent your whole life trying to catch me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you failed, though, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: The last 10 years of your life trying to catch a nobody is blind.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he does flip it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very, yeah, it's very funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is interesting to me that the writers recognize the fact that
[SPEAKER_00]: all of the characters that we usually meet on this show have a poor estimation of Quark, and so Odo just naturally assumes the Quarks that fall to here.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: He always thinks the worst of him, although they have a relationship, but he just thinks the worst of, it has to be Quarks' fault.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it is a flaw in his perception of Quark, and perhaps of other people as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, it's it's part of the opportunity of this episode to show that people are capable of more that's right I'm credit core for and if I may and I'm going to we way too deep into the weeds here and I think that perception that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's not just quark that they have a poor idea of, it's also of nog, we've already spoken about them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it also includes ROM as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would say it's a racial prejudice.
[SPEAKER_00]: That it's the frangue or somehow less than perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about this before.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this was something that I became aware of as I was shooting the show that this racial prejudice, that certain races were steamed and certain races were looked down upon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but the flipside argument is as far as Ram is concerned, he did have the worst shift in engineering, but they got promoted.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there is recognition of his worth and that how good he is at doing his job.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like there is some elevation of Feringi.
[SPEAKER_03]: When it comes to Ram's case,
[SPEAKER_00]: But when we get to the scene between Avery and Rom talking about their sons, they're still in my opinion and God knows, I may be reading into it because of all the things that I went through.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it just seems, there's a sort of Avery, excuse me, Cisco, not Avery.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cisco slightly looking down on Rom is though, you know, he's less than perfect.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Would you wouldn't do with Kara?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, he wouldn't do with Warf.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't do with Miles O'Brien, or?
[SPEAKER_01]: That, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Miles is another human.
[SPEAKER_00]: Humans are talking about other species.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some are esteemed, some are looked down upon.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, now we are in the replamat.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is where Rom orders the snail juice, the double snail juice, with extra shells.
[SPEAKER_00]: And before you start on that, sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: This, I think, was a mismoment by both Max and Alan.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, give me a snail juice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks a better for a nanosecond, says, make it a double.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why does he ask, make it a double?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he knows what he's about to talk to Avery about Cisco
[SPEAKER_00]: And if I were directing it, I would have included a look to Cisco, which isn't there in the episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: To go, I really need fortification.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need a double.
[SPEAKER_00]: Make it a double.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's an opportunity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think they missed that in the script.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not in the script, but that's something I think I would have recognized and said, listen, max credential.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at him, realize you need them, the regular, you need a double.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great, great observation.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Ram does sit down with Cisco.
[SPEAKER_01]: He asks about Nog.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, you know, Nog seems a little strange to me lately.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ram even says, I thought he might be a changeling.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I drew blood, probably the sleeping to check.
[SPEAKER_01]: So far so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's got the violet blood.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's still holding it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's still good.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's been eight hours, it's still good.
[SPEAKER_01]: and shaking it to see if there's a change right now but it's still funny that the change would happen way earlier than that right yeah he's still holding it he's still holding into that vile blood which uh... for any have red blood we we learn in this yeah i don't know if i i guess if we've seen for any blood before but uh... i don't know if we have
[SPEAKER_01]: And we see it when you're injured, when Quark is injured.
[SPEAKER_01]: We see some red Nixon bruises.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Cisco kind of defends Nog here a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says that you're in the Academy will change you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would have been nice if we had seen Cisco impressed by that earlier, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because then he sees something he admires in Nog, the change, the responsibility, that's something valuable for Jake.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's where they're going to get in the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if he had seen it, he could kind of put that together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake needs that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if I may, I think that's what the writers intended in that first scene between Cisco and Nog.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they wanted him to see it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But because, maybe not because, but perhaps, because there was no writer on the set to inform Cisco, this is what our intention is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Avery just went back to his usual relationship with Nog because Nog's not been on the set for a couple of weeks now and just went back to his default position on Nog and I don't think he realized because I think he should have recognized that in that first scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would have helped this moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because Ram is saying, I don't know what's going on with Nog, and Cisco says, you know, I don't know what's going on with Jake.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going through a phase two.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's messy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's on discipline.
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe if they could get them in the same room, they could learn a little from each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is definitely a scene that
[SPEAKER_01]: is something that we can learn from and maybe, you know, nog can learn how to lighten up a little from Jake.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like it could have been that idea could have landed better if if everyone had been noticing nog's growth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and if in prior episodes, if we'd seen Jake been a little bit more messy in the quarters, then we could see how this is a progression.
[SPEAKER_00]: An ongoing problem that, as a father, he couldn't fix because he didn't have the time, but perhaps non-confix it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did like when Rom got very offended by the word untidy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said, non's move back in with me and is horrible because he put me on report the other day said my tool kit was untidy.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the exact word he used untidy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very funny, very funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm with a soon that Rom is very tidy.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is, because if you look at his room, it's super tidy, everything we've seen and that opening scene when you bring the root beers, there's nothing out of place in ROMs quarters.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very tight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we go back to the mountain side, Otto and Quark have slept by some some big rocks, Otto wakes up, but Quark doesn't wake up, he's out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Otto goes over to try to wake him up, he won't wake up.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a scary moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we think Quark may be dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he died in the sleep or froze to death.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quark finally, sorry, Odo finally hits Quark.
[SPEAKER_01]: Slaps him to wake him up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like that, stop hitting me, stop hitting me!
[SPEAKER_01]: But as I thought you were dead, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: But when it hits, well, when Renee hits Armin, he hits him on top of the head.
[SPEAKER_03]: and I think they just use that audio from whatever they, you know, film that day because it sounds like he's hitting the top of a prosthetic head.
[SPEAKER_03]: It makes that rubber smacking.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I thought, man, they should have fixed that in post.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why do they believe that in like that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Give it a little more of a solid mask.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, not like it's hollow.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it just, it pulled me out for a split second.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it does sound like it's hitting the rubber person.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you agree?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I totally agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I will tell you something else.
[SPEAKER_00]: When he smack the top of my head, it hurt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, look like it hurt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, he assumed because of the rubber it was not going to hurt.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he just full out, hit me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm supposed to be asleep, and I go.
[SPEAKER_01]: That hurts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a real.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a real reaction.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, stop being me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, think about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You are the bag of chips inside that head right now and he's hitting on top of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're going to feel it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was yeah, but you know, we're friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can I can deal with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: The only thing they didn't do in this episode, which I've seen them do in other Star Trek episodes when it's super cold.
[SPEAKER_03]: You pull out your phaser and you heat up a rock and the rock gets all heated and you use that as a fireplace and warmth.
[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't do that once in here, but I'm guessing maybe you guys didn't even have phasers, maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what does it have a phaser?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about Odo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Odo doesn't like weapons, so it's possible he didn't have a weapon item.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I will say this, another fault, a quibble, as you said, Robbie, when Quark doesn't respond, it's possible that he made frozen to death.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I thought.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what it looks like.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I would have, Karen, I'm a huge fan of my, make a person, Karen, why's your feel?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wish she had made me look a little bit more blue.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that, you know, I don't think she changed anything as far as my pigmentation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you had some nicks and cuts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we had some nicks and cuts, but nothing as far as the pigmentation was concerned.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that would be interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would have liked that to indicate that he's getting frostbitten.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, he says his body shutting down.
[SPEAKER_01]: He can't hear out of one of his ears.
[SPEAKER_01]: and he's dying, and there's not enough to eat.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's no physical representation of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to play that, which is fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: We could have used some help from makeup.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's quarks turned to carry the transmitter again?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we cut to a bit of a time lapse, and we see that they've been climbing for a while, and now Odo has its his turn.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they've traded this back and forth.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're tired.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're getting tired.
[SPEAKER_01]: They bicker.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the big I hate you see.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hate this about you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hate that about you lots of insults Then you just start bickering.
[SPEAKER_03]: You call a little a fascist in this one.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is when you start wrestling and it's just yeah This is the wrestling scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, freak fraud fascist failure.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very alliterated a lot of FFs.
[SPEAKER_00]: There.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes
[SPEAKER_00]: My quibble with the writing at this point in earlier.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little too much.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little too much bickering.
[SPEAKER_00]: Give us a moment where they don't picker.
[SPEAKER_00]: Give us something so that when you start to picker, it makes a difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little too much of the same seasoning over and over and over again.
[SPEAKER_00]: One to mention.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's lovely to see them bicker.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're very good at bickering.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it would have been nice to have another color besides that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I look through the script and it just wasn't a lot of opportunities for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think we even thought about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, it would have been nice if the writers had given us something to change that bickering a little so that, you know, that we could appreciate, or at least be struck by something that the other person said, you know, you're a fascist icon.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it isn't until a moment later that some of that affects him, but I would have liked to have seen some of that give and take on a camera more.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Often in these kinds of stories, where two characters who didn't get along in some way are faced with their mortality, and they both kind of open up some vulnerabilities.
[SPEAKER_01]: individually that makes them understand each other and become a little closer.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I wish that Cork had in facing mortality had an opportunity to open up some vulnerabilities.
[SPEAKER_01]: You do a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: You do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Odo does.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you and I'm glad you said it not me because I wasn't sure, but yes, you agree with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: If Odo had expressed some vulnerabilities here, he's thinking he's
[SPEAKER_01]: added that color that you're talking about, another season and another, you know, complication and made it a more interesting kind of opportunity for these characters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think one of the major flaws in this episode is that we never really think we're going to die.
[SPEAKER_00]: The actors don't ever really think we're going to die.
[SPEAKER_00]: The characters now that
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think the actors have replayed it, that we were actually, and the audience must know they're not gonna kill off.
[SPEAKER_00]: Two, right, it's not gonna do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So where's the threat?
[SPEAKER_00]: The threat would have been in the very, not the threat, but the interesting thing would have been the very thing you just said, Robbie, is to see the vulnerability in the face of death.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Quark has a little bit of that right before he decides to make the final push.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he does and but I think that I would would have liked to see more of that for quirk and any some of that from Odo anything would have been nice yeah because for Odo who who's now a solid this is a different situation yeah the idea that he's grown up all of his life not having to worry about about hunger about cold about anything about escaping out of the difficult situations yeah all of a sudden he's faced with that
[SPEAKER_00]: That must be a tremendous thing to all of a sudden come face to face with.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she should be more freaked out by the whole thing, the whole situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's one of our heroes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But at the end of the wrestling, Odo does end up breaking his leg.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that shot of the broken leg.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wrote down a note.
[SPEAKER_03]: I said it looks like an NFL injury when there's someone's yeah something is the wrong way.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm shocked that that didn't get a 15 rating for the UK where they can't even let you us here in the UK you can't even hear bones cracking and I'm thinking a leg that it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was too much, honestly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Am I right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, I don't know if you should.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if that's, if that was the injury.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if, as you say, Armin, Otto now is feeling, you know, is experiencing human, physical pain and all that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He should have been screaming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Screaming his bloody head.
[SPEAKER_01]: In shock.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like delirious, like imagining hallucinating or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if that was a really gruesome injury, the broken leg.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's a little time lapse.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quark has managed to put a splint together with branches, and also to make kind of a gurney to drag him up the mountain.
[SPEAKER_01]: and odor doesn't think he can do it, and corkses, watch me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we cut to a wide shot of you pulling him up on this stretcher.
[SPEAKER_01]: pulling him up the mountain, which was very- That was real exertion.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really heavy.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was heavy going up this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And God knows what that stone's must have done to Renée's back.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I remember that was heavy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's, you know, then I'm actually- I'm actually doing something.
[SPEAKER_00]: The real thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: The real thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, very heroic.
[SPEAKER_01]: A little more time passes.
[SPEAKER_01]: We see Quark is struggling to get over rocks and trees.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quark is a hero here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this little montage of you pulling him up was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: This completely for me made Quark a hero.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, so, and I agree with you a hundred percent and I'm grateful for it, but I ask myself, why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why did they make Quark a hero?
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes more sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: He should, in this game of things, it's better for him to be pulling Odo than Odo pulling him.
[SPEAKER_00]: What was the reason, the inspiration from making him a hero when he's been such a narrative well for all of these seasons?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, maybe subconsciously, they felt he hasn't been picked on for so much that we're going to
[SPEAKER_00]: give him the hero status in one episode and let him have the glory finally that he deserves maybe that was it who knows right I totally get that and thank you for that I I really do think that's probably the thinking behind it but then I ask myself and you guys can't possibly know this in future episodes things go back to what actually really uh
[SPEAKER_01]: see that's a shame because your show because it had that serialized storytelling could have built on top of and continued to evolve characters more than most any Star Trek show at that time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean progress tracks with every other character but the friend use it seems and it's like Well, it's going on here.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a little weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you are a hero pulling, you know, the full montage.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you climbing up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was cinematic.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was heroic.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then you finally collapse.
[SPEAKER_01]: You fall down face in the dirt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember shooting that?
[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do remember the face in the dirt.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, it was real.
[SPEAKER_00]: However,
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a however it was real and and that was good.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it didn't hurt it was all fine However two things now the word to this scene, but facing the dirt they took a shot they took a Take where my faces in the dirt and besides the dirt I'm very sure I saw this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see a fly in the shot
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't catch it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I think I'm pretty sure I've looked at it twice.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure it could be dirt, but I thought it was a fly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, wait a second, they just told us they're no larva on this planet, there's nothing to eat.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, if it is a fly, they really screwed themselves over here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But somebody would have to go back and reaffirm the fact that I saw a fly or didn't see a fly.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't catch it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it is flying.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: On the day of filming, Armin, if you'd noticed that while you're filming, you could have played with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a food like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a flu-passive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could have.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I've been smart, I'm just in that smart.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, and I want to talk about something else when we get to, which is like, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did like your line reading when you say my muscles won't work anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love your line reading man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it stressed out like that at the end?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It reminds me of an acting exercise.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a, I don't know if it was a mysner exercise or but it was an acting exercise where you'd sing Mary had a little lamb, but you'd sing it one syllable a time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you just hold it out, and you be playing the emotional value of whatever the acting was about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you'd be doing it with kind of gibberish or unsyllable.
[SPEAKER_01]: And something about the vocalization of that emotion, without words having to clarify, just a sound.
[SPEAKER_01]: was really cathartic as an actor and it made me realize you don't need like the way that language is expressed doesn't have to be clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has to be emotionally connected and it was just a great acting exercise and that line delivery reminded me of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like the way that you said it and drawing out that syllable more was so expressive much more than
[SPEAKER_01]: the definition of the words if that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Odo says he mentioned Cisco would not give up here and so he starts to crawl towards the transmitter and pushes it up hill.
[SPEAKER_00]: He pushes it up hill and how much does it weigh when he pushed it up hill.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's not the only one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've done it in the episode in, excuse me, and
[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't weigh very much, and in the first real life, it didn't really lie, and it certainly looks like that when he pushes it in the times before, when I've been carrying it, what it seems like what it was, just a bunch of balls of wood, and I'm sure they made it light, because they knew we had to carry it, so they made it, they've been kind to the actors and didn't make it very heavy, but I wish they had made it heavy, because then I think that would have added to the problem of getting up that hill.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just subtly you know that that box is just not very heavy right well auto tries to push this very lightweight box up The featherweight box, but he pulls out it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he poops out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can't do it And then cork starts to ruminate about wrong about the bar about now This is the moment of vulnerability.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was talking about yeah, this is a great moment I wish there had been more of these moments in this
[SPEAKER_01]: story.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it gets emotional and he gets up and he decides to go at a loan and he's going to get this thing up to the top and Odo wishes him luck.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says good luck.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like that last line of quirks before he leaves Odo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Try not to break your other leg while I'm gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought, yeah, what made me laugh pretty hard even though it's kind of gruesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they realize, I mean, they realize that they have to separate now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's now do or die.
[SPEAKER_00]: They, he can't pull the both up the hill.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have to separate.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wish we had had a line or two to that where they could have said, in a sense, goodbye.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't pull you anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know you can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to have to go alone as if this was a final goodbye forever right that would have been so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think of that armament, but that's exactly what this episode
[SPEAKER_01]: needed.
[SPEAKER_00]: The arc would have been bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, to finding this moment which was you can see the relations, you can see the affection they have for each other despite they wanted to admit to it and it comes out here and then that's what happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: sometimes in extreme moments, things that you wouldn't ever say because you wouldn't want your ego to be dented at that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you say things because you know it's the last time you're going to see this person.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he heads up to be a hero.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go to Jake's quarters next.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco surprises Jake.
[SPEAKER_01]: Says Jake, you know, regulations require two occupants in this room.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're going to have to move back in with me or
[SPEAKER_01]: And he calls for Nog, and Cisco says they have to make this work.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he orders Nog, he says, as the captain, I'm telling you, you have to make a work.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as your father, Jake, I'm telling you, you need to make this work.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Cisco leaves with the two boys there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we see Jake and Nog both each making a little effort to compromise, to see things the other way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Nog says, no, no, we don't have to clean up right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't we go play some Dom John?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, actually Jake shows you want to go to the gym.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then Nog says, yeah, let's do Dom John.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's nice, silly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have, again, quibbles, I'm so sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have liked that change in both of them to take a little longer to get to.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was pretty great.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, one thing to have to live together, it's another that they're going to change their ways completely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have liked a little transition there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just want to go back to Avery.
[SPEAKER_00]: When he says, I'm your captain, I thought that is a perfect reading of him.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was perfectly military there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought nice, nice reading, Avery.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it was good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you to the scene, the makeup between Jaganag happened a little too quickly for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quark is on a cliffside.
[SPEAKER_01]: We see him climbing on this cliff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we cut over to Odo, Odo calls no answer.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he records his last words, basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's recording a, you know, chief of security log, final entry.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is kind of that moment you were talking about, Armin.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he says, Quark didn't make it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't say I'm not surprised.
[SPEAKER_00]: He does suggest that Quark's remains be valued, and men that he get his last wishes that he'd be desiccated in, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Qualifies it, but at least he's thinking of his friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Quark at the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as he's giving his last will and testament and last final words, he's recording it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets transported out, we cut into a transporter bay and Odo is being helped by Bashir.
[SPEAKER_01]: getting some medical treatment, he's going to be okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Warfin' Dax are there, they say quark was, they found quark on top of mountain, slumped over the transmitter, but he sent out the signal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Odo says, oh, he made it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Dax says, well, if it wasn't for his signal, we never would have found you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like he saved both of your lives.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo's responses, I was afraid to say that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, here's my huge quibble, and it's told it's days, they've been days on the shuttle, getting to wherever they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, granted, a spaceship can travel, perhaps faster than a shuttle.
[SPEAKER_00]: But even so, when gets the feeling that it's only been,
[SPEAKER_00]: at the most couple hours if that he the signal has been going out and it's there the our heroes have gotten there in no time they've already picked up Quark uh... they've been down to the planet uh... they've rescued him now the rescuing auto uh... it just i thought it took days that's all yeah this this is
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, understood, that's a quibble, but you know, 42 minutes of time of screen time, you can't fit all that in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, so yeah, yeah, yeah, they definitely would have to lose some other stuff to try and make that story make sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But our final scenes in the medical bay side by side, nice shot from Alan Craker here, cork wake soto up.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's very proud.
[SPEAKER_01]: and out of remembers all of this vividly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, I just, you know, quarks as I just want you to know, I meant every word of action.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Odo responds so to die.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they laugh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which belies what they've just said, and I'm a little disappointed in the editorial department, because I distinctly remember, and again, it's a matter of time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I distinctly remember that the laugh went on for a lot longer than is in the episode,
[SPEAKER_00]: We ran and they couldn't do it because of time, but would have been a much nicer ending because they just haven't laughed and then it's and then the credits roll.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it took us a little longer to get to the laugh in, I would say, most of the takes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: That we thought about it about that we hated each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: We hated it and we just thinking about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're thinking about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish that they had done that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's too bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was disappointed that this scene seemed to go back to nothing's changed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there should be an understanding that this is, this has changed us a bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to keep our game going, but this change is meaningful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, really, Armin, how many more seconds would they have needed to get that full-life and then the whole-life?
[SPEAKER_00]: Another ten seconds left.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a hobby question.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, he says, Tan, okay, maybe ten.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I just remember, when I watched it again recently, I went, I thought it was much longer than that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's what I remember, and that, you know, there was enormous,
[SPEAKER_00]: bond between Renee and I, as we were laughing, there was just this incredible, you know, we're not laughing at what the characters were going through, but we're laughing at the fact that we who are such good friends have to do this, you know, there was that, at least to me, I don't know about Renee, but in me, I felt the dichotomy of what was real and what was a fiction.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's too bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: They could have shaved a few seconds off here.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're in earlier scenes and given you guys that full moment, which would have been a great great.
[SPEAKER_00]: And looking through the script, I see that there was a scene I didn't notice until just now, as we've been talking, there was a scene that they cut out, which had another guest star that never appeared.
[SPEAKER_00]: Huh, and I didn't read it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just saw it as we've as I was flipping through the script.
[SPEAKER_00]: It says Jake is throwing a house-waring party It's a pretty happening affair.
[SPEAKER_00]: The guests are a mix of Bajoran and human teenagers mostly about Jake's age So obviously they cut that out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh Now that I don't know which edition of the script I have this this might be an early scene that they cut out in in the blue pages
[SPEAKER_01]: My lesson for this episode is you are capable of more than you think, even things that don't feel natural to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think for Quark for sure he was capable of more that doesn't feel natural to be heroic or sacrificial, but he was able to do it and Jake's able to be a little
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what, but that was my lesson.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Armin, what is yours?
[SPEAKER_00]: For me, this episode is about relationships, and what I wrote down was relationships that matter are all about weathering the peaks and the explosions.
[SPEAKER_00]: In other words, for a relationship to be valuable, one must enjoy the peak moments when things are perfect and somehow get through the moments that are not so good and move on to the better side.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like it, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mine is that old saying, keep calm and keep on, which is pretty much what Cork does to get to the summit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Our Patreon poll winner for theme slash lesson slash more of this episode as submitted by Nicole Bretel is.
[SPEAKER_03]: True friendship overcomes the hardest of obstacles and the most precarious of situations.
[SPEAKER_00]: kind of what Armin was saying, and certainly that's indicative of the relationship between Jake and not, as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: All righty.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have come to the end of our podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: We want to thank Armin for joining us again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Armin.
[SPEAKER_03]: Pleasure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bye.