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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to the PsychoBedical podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's me and the cat Patrick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's Friday afternoon.
[SPEAKER_00]: The house is quiet.
[SPEAKER_00]: The children are in bed and time to do a podcaster.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got a few questions that I should answer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for the questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the first one is, living your podcasts, thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Glad they're back, thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been interested in hearing your thoughts on repairing and providing gear.
[SPEAKER_00]: In brackets, the last one mentioned totems looking rough.
[SPEAKER_00]: enjoy your article, enjoy your article about climbing expedition vehicles that was on my sub stack and staying safe with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I wrote an article on my sub stack which actually a chapter of this book, The Beyond and it's like a lot of loads of kind of tips things from driving
[SPEAKER_00]: driving, driving cars, hiring cars, all of the world and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So some of them are good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have I told you something, I always say one of the most important things you ever learn, if you're driving, is well, in Africa, lock all the doors and also a dot drive at night.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you run someone over at dot stop and
[SPEAKER_00]: and ideally pay some else that I have the car.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just give them a shot at you under the seat.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of other things.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the winter time, you can do three things, you can accelerate, you can decelerate, or you can turn, but don't do any more than one at a time so are very good advice.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, that's on my substax somewhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: My substax is a put a link in here for my substax.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's getting quite popular.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd also be interested in your thoughts on making your own gear and any projects you'd recommend.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your Bivie bag article on substax.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I've got me thinking about maybe using a Paramel type system in a Bivie bag and that it would be and if that would be feasible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for all your info being pretty invaluable over the years here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm Mr. Sonso.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't I didn't copy my passion.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, making your own gear highly recommended.
[SPEAKER_00]: It could be, it could be, I'd start small, like I've got like a massive, massive ginormous box full of shite that I like fabrics and webbing and like, I even got this webbing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I always make this two-outs and like Canadian friends staying over with us and I was like complaining about Vanessa like, so I was like, I got rid of that fire extinguisher.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've not yet we've never used it and stuff
[SPEAKER_00]: because there was always fabric and stuff she always wants to get rid of because I don't use it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, the start starting with really, really simple projects.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the first, everything I actually made for the outdoors is ruined.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like,
[SPEAKER_00]: 16 was a belt, just a belt with one of those flip-lock buckles.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did fast-dex buckles, did exist, but some reason I made one out with a flip-lock buckle and then I think I had a fleece.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really had a helly Hanson jumper and I could it now and I put a zipper into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think all that was probably, I never saw machines.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was all done by hand.
[SPEAKER_00]: So starting with really, really simple projects, make sure realize the limitations of sewing machines.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's really a sewing machine is when it comes to sewing.
[SPEAKER_00]: When it comes to sewing, everything, you have to remember it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bit like
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bit like HTML or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, if there's a problem, there's a reason for it, and all you have to do is understand what the problem is, and then you can fix it, like, is it to do with the tension?
[SPEAKER_00]: of the thread.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, do you know what does that mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's easy to say, oh, there's a problem with your attention on your sewing machine and you've got, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, like, what does that mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know, the lithium, the lithium-critch crystals are a dilated captain and it's like, oh, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, what's a lithium crystal?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's important to really understand
[SPEAKER_00]: like it's really like if you ever got a sewing machine it's actually a good idea to air watch a video about how to thread it properly because you think you might be able to work out but you might be making a mistake and like what you need are using the right thread are using the right needles for that thread various various things can like mess up your project
[SPEAKER_00]: And rather than get frustrated when something doesn't work, like when you've got loads of thread bunching up underneath your fabric or, you know, the hook isn't like catching the thread isn't catching with the bottom thread, so they're getting frustrated.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just stand back and go, hmm, wonder why this is happening?
[SPEAKER_00]: There is a reason, because if there wasn't a reason, it won't be happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: Falling in love or falling out of love or trying to relish it with something or speaking to God Or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's something where there is a reason why it's going wrong and it's not personal It's not trying to fuck you up and
[SPEAKER_00]: piss you off, there is a reason and it's probably your to blame because it is like a machine like someone spent like many, many, many, many, many, I want to say centuries or hundreds of years have been trying to improve this machine to be able to do what you're doing now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if it's not working, it's your fault.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like the machine I have my sewing sheet is a
[SPEAKER_00]: is a singer heavy duty machine which sounds good and it's okay but it's probably I would say I think it's about 200 euros or 170 euros or something, probably get him cheaper than that but I would say that's like an entry level so machine for if you want to do outdoor stuff
[SPEAKER_00]: Any, any like a normal sewing machine is not going to be so good, but you can actually buy all the sewing machines.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really want, what you want is like not a sewing machine with lots of plastic sort of cogs and, you know, gears and stuff, because it probably just kept.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just want, you'll just wear it out using it for, you know, a sewing machine is.
[SPEAKER_00]: you know it's like a you know ask you ask a lot of it so like some of the old so machines so machines that people would use like sale making you'd have to be making sales but like leather leather so machine sales sale making so machines and things um like second hand ones fath path or PHFF or something the German brand or old singer so machines even the old singer so machines which have the handle and wind it around
[SPEAKER_00]: probably better than a lot of modern sewing machines.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you just want to, you don't think fancy, you just want to keep it simple.
[SPEAKER_00]: And where every sewing machine does, you know, it's just like if you want to want to make something where you've got like two layers of cordura and two layers of webbing, it's a normal sewing machine is going to really struggle and so is a heavy duty sewing machine.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like having sewing machines and breaking them
[SPEAKER_00]: taking a sewing machine to someone to mend it unless you really are convinced you're broken it and I promise just take that money and buy like a stronger sewing machine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the the best sewing machine you can buy for Outdoor stuff is a singer sail right sewing machine and if you like it but you really have to live in America take it by one of those
[SPEAKER_00]: There are probably other ones, but yeah, there's not, there's not like a, unless you're buying a second hand sewing machine is the nearest thing to making that step up to spending like 1,000 pounds on a sewing machine.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, I think when you're spending 1,000 pounds on a sewing machine or more,
[SPEAKER_00]: you really want to be like if you're going to go to business making something then that's what that's what you do you'd buy that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of which it was funny I just saw this week that Alp Kitt went into receivership but then I've heard recently that they
[SPEAKER_00]: They got bought out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there's some negotiations of someone buying the company and I've known out the kit for like a long, a long, long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: The original, the original, I think it was four guys, originally started it and it's like
[SPEAKER_00]: one of these things where it's grown into like this mega like I mean that's a problem with like a lot of companies they're really good at one little thing but they're kind of growing to suddenly they have all these shops and you know it sounds like a great idea but there's something to be said for keeping it, keeping it small and keeping it safe and
[SPEAKER_00]: I lost someone once said to me, it's easy to make a living, it's harder to make a business so maybe some of the original guys left that company and maybe someone's like, I'll draw this into this giant thing and then I'll sell it for 10 million quid or something but it's quite risky, you could have done it with nothing so I was thinking about part, part
[SPEAKER_00]: Peter Peter Adonovan, who made Pod Rooksax, and I say like Pod Rooksax was some of the best outdoor Rooksax ever made, but we just made by Pod, like he was just there on his sewing machine, making Rooksax after Rooksax, after Rooksax, and Anjals, who was his wife, was like putting the puppet, putting it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he'd do like sort of like three months of making Rooksax, then you'd go off to Spain for a month, and you'd come back and do another.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, do trips like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so he, I think when he eventually when he's trying to sell his business Didn't really work that well for a rabble whoever bought bought hard rooks acts, but they wrote really didn't really they had the name
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think anyone who ever bought a rook sack knew that one person made it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So whether it be made in Vietnam by, you know, like 2,000 people, isn't the same, so that's why you don't really see POD rooksacks.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, the last POD rook sack, the last POD items I saw were being sold, like, pannier bags or something, like nothing to do with POD or, you know, what they originally were.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they were like, when you see, like, bouldering shots with like,
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, someone buys it, I have no idea what it is and just, you know, perhaps it basically, so a bit like, you know, and you go into like JGB sports and they've got this carry more stuff and it's like, this is a bit depressing really.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, so yes, so if you want to make a bit, if you want to end up making a living out of making stuff, that's this is how you begin, you begin by tinkering and fiddling with stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: for the old... where do you call it when you're carrying stuff when you're... when you're carrying things on your head... tamping, tamping, tamping, tamping, tromp... tromp... tromp line, tromp line, a tamp line, tromp line, it's something.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's some line when it's like a tamp line, it's not a tromp line.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a Tumpline, a Tumpline.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, it's the thing that goes across your forehead and underneath the back of your rucksack and it makes a massive difference to carrying stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can make some makeup on of those.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I got some sort of that grid, that kind of material you would make like a survival vest out or running rucksack, that kind of mesh material.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I made the actual bit that goes over your head out of that and then I had like strap that went down.
[SPEAKER_00]: and then it had one one book a lot of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could have just for height and stuff and that would be good thing to make.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bivvy bags are easy to make, sleeping bags are a little bit harder but also very easy to make and I would I've said it many times but I would
[SPEAKER_00]: go and get a pattern for a quilt pattern.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you can get those from a rip stop on the roll in the U.S. so you can get them from a red jardine, jardine, it sells like pattern, sales of material that you still do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't know if you still does.
[SPEAKER_00]: And those are really, really simple.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can make one of those just by hand sewing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just all the areas I can bit of space to lay it all out and get it all out to the right size.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Bivie bag super easy to make.
[SPEAKER_00]: been watching that, um, was that program called, um, Plori Boss and some of it tied.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's finished now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, very good.
[SPEAKER_00]: The, uh, Paramore type system in the Bivvy bag.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Paramore system would be like a, um, microfiber, outer, and then a, then a kind of brushed, brushed in a, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it would work, I don't know if it would work, well I don't know if it would work, I can't well I don't know if it would work, I can't well I don't know if it would work, well I don't know if it would work, well I don't know if it would work, well I don't know if it would work, well I don't know if it would work, well I don't know if it would work, well I don't know if it would work, well I don't know if it would work, well I don't know if it would work, well I don't know if it would work, well I don't know if it would work, well I don't know if it would work, well I don't know if it would work, well I don't know if it would work, well I don't know if it would work, well I don't know if it would work, well I don't know if it would work, well I don't know if it would work
[SPEAKER_00]: the generation of heat and to be moving and the wind on it and everything else.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'd be a bit worried in a bivvy bag that you might have just lots and lots of disadvantages.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're either best just to make one out of a waterproof, breathable fabric, there's not to be Gore-Texy, you get so...
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll be your name too.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can get some quite cheap gotics online on my eBay.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can get a lot of camouflage gotics.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think like armies or people, I remember someone said that the army, the MOD, they bought started to make gotics.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they bought like a million.
[SPEAKER_00]: you know like 500 miles worth of go-ticks and didn't realise that go-ticks actually has like a shelf life of you know what is it 10 years, 15 years or something, same as a wind turbine and so they had all these go-ticks sitting there.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was something I think I remember bag house they also they made their jacket, it was an as-guard-extrem and it was all blue and I think it had worn little
[SPEAKER_00]: One little detail of yellow gotx, the size of a box of matches, like on the back somewhere, and they bought the same amount of yellow as they did of blue, so they had a lot of yellow gotx left behind.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, but Bivieberg is just out of that kind of material is good.
[SPEAKER_00]: like a line, a one with a inner sort of what we used to got like an overbag, but one which has like a synthetic filled in a, what would it be, it would be good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did not have this Bivvy bag once, it was a rab-made it, and I probably told this story before, but when we went
[SPEAKER_00]: on in the wintertime, in on in on Fitzroy and a Rab I asked Rab to make this spivvy bag and it had like a zip on the front and it was like insulated so it had it was like waterproof material on the outside and then it was sort of water resistant material on the inside and in between it was like a synthetic fill and the idea was
[SPEAKER_00]: Any kind of condensation would be like inside the inside the fill and But it but Rab kind of refused to put like a cow on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, oh, no, you don't need to have a cow Well, this is like Rab with the real Rab Rab character.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, Ladi, you don't need a cow.
[SPEAKER_00]: What you need is a snorkel.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like a lot a snorkel and you know what he meant was
[SPEAKER_00]: Usually, when you have a cowl, if you're sitting up on a ledge, which you're probably spending a lot of time sitting rather than lying down on like a big route, like a cowl comes over the top of the biffy bag and it kind of goes down to your waist, so underneath it, even if the spin drift is coming down, you can sort of sort yourself out what you can light your stove and everything else.
[SPEAKER_00]: It works really, really well.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Rab made this like snorkel thing, which was like one of those kids parkers where it just comes out like a big tube and it was actually fucking terrible because however you let down or you couldn't do anything inside it because it was just like falling over your face all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But also, however you're led, the snorkel was always in your face.
[SPEAKER_00]: And ended up like, I think I thought I was going to suffocate on this stupid snorkel thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't really wear it very well.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also had like a down, this probably the last time I've used it down sleeping bag.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get a down sleeping bag on the inside.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the material I used was not that breathable because it just got really wet in the
[SPEAKER_00]: didn't work at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so it was always meant this joke that had this like really, and it's really rubbish sleeping bag.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was called like, you know, like, summer breeze or something, rap, summer breeze.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Ian Panna led this, this one like a mountain hardware in Fairnour Deluxe, Super Plus or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which I know was like, mountain hardware sleeping bag.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought it was going to dive hypothermia.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really was like going into hypothermia while I was in this leaping bag and the only way to sort of survive was I had to get on my hands and knees And just sort of sit like sort of go on my hands and knees on this on this tiny little ice ledge on my on my mat inside this stupid rubbish leaping bag And then I could hit E and I go, oh god, oh Like E and E and I you're okay, you're cold as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: He went, no, I'm so hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so yeah, that's the cell phone climb for you
[SPEAKER_00]: Neurosation never have like a warm sleeping bag because you don't want to get out of it so it's good to have you know freezing your ass off So anyway, so yes, so yeah, make making stuff is like his super cool super super super fun But it does take a lot of time just take a lot of
[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of patience and a lot of getting things wrong and I really try and master sewing before you start making anything with proper material.
[SPEAKER_00]: So get some cheap material, just do a lot of lines like sewing bits and material together.
[SPEAKER_00]: like some really slippery materials, you might need to work out different strategies, like Gore-Tex actually really hard to solve because of the membrane, the PTFE membrane, or is it every time I find like the needle just kind of sticks in the membrane, it's very hard to get it to work and sometimes you need attachments for your sewing machine, you can get like walking foot attachments.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes you just need to manually do them sewing machine
[SPEAKER_00]: The heavy duty sewing machine, if you go on Etsy, the one we have all the shite that people make at home, like a pair of socks, a few big hair and stuff, but there's a guy in Israel but not by it from him, and I'm sure there's a guy in Gaza as well, who has like a 3D printed
[SPEAKER_00]: you bolt it onto your sewing machine, you can use your hand manually to move the needle up and down so you're not using the mortar.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's really good if you have to go through really heavy duty you know, like leather or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so it's good, I guess it's good to really understand the needles like why the difference between like a thin needle and a thick needle is not necessarily not necessarily that if you have thick fabric you want a thick needle like sometimes it's to do with like
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of practice, but eventually you get to point where you're still incredibly frustrated.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you have a massive tank with a massive engine that could so table together.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of what you need.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you have no skill, then brute force will generally do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is another question.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is from Hegel.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, I don't know how, how, how it goes from.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, uh, high on the, love your work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, welcome.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to climb the nose in the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: One day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're already, you're already, you're already, don't, I said, tell them to do that often.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to be careful what you say because your body's listening.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like I always say like, when I've introduced Vanessa, so this is my future ex-wife.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, my body's listening.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you need to go and check somebody and get found out and then then get divorced.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but like, if you put yourself down,
[SPEAKER_00]: and you negative your body is listening, because you have to be careful what you say.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a bit like kids, like you never want to be saying, oh I had a grit, a grit, got you, you know, regret, you know, anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like swinging last night or dog in, you know, with the wife and they daddy what's dogging in, it's all that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got the other dogging, it's what I think it's similar to with footballers.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would just say I'm going to climb the nose in the day full stop that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's so you want to say every day hiker when you get up I want you to get your diarrhea out when you're doing your journaling which we all do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of which I don't know if you see as anybody who watches that program he's like those three um three ex army marines special forces
[SPEAKER_00]: Salvation Army guys and they're like skiing around in the Arctic.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like a channel 4 program I've not actually watched it, so I shouldn't be critical, but um actually well run the subject
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, Taipei 101, I have no, I have no thought on the subject to the ask me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, so that's not a negative, that's just like, it's like when you're like, you know, you're walking past the bookies and you see like, you know, horseshoe, going on, everyone's looking at it and you're like,
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not really into horses, so yeah, these army types are like skiing around like Brits, a terrible at skiing around in the Arctic, or anywhere called.
[SPEAKER_00]: They just looked terrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: They look like kind of like Jamaica and Bob Slayer team or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just terrible at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I haven't watched it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I should watch it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there was like the team of four
[SPEAKER_00]: polar expedition and toxic masculinity, and I could just imagine
[SPEAKER_00]: I can imagine these four blocks, like I know one of them, like Aldo, and I know him pretty well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Aldo, I once, I was once in Scotland, in Aldo Kairn, we met up with Aldo, and me and Aldo climbed El Cap together, and they had this guy, Steve, Steve Bear, who was going to, wanted to solo El Cap, and he was blind, and he did actually solo El Cap, and he was blind, but he didn't get no one.
[SPEAKER_00]: American are probably doing like a hundred years time at the biggest thing ever in America But like Steve basically did it first.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't like that other guy who's just kind of on a top rock like oh look at me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm blind Oh, that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: He really he was up there by himself and um and I was like I was like as like a Aldo we got any advice for Steve about climbing all cap and and Aldo's like on there You just need to wear blinkers when you're on a cap and I was like don't say that time is blind anyway
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, so like, you know, I always have this thing like these guys have been in the military and they've done probably done all this like contracting where you're like shooting people and all that, but then they've also like been selling themselves and like, oh, I mean, I'm
[SPEAKER_00]: SDS and I was in the SDS and I was a parer and all that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I eat people for breakfast And they're kind of I guess feel like a lot of the reason I actually thought about this recently All those kind of people it's almost like they have to write a book about my mental health
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, or come out of movies where you know, you know, next thing I had a, you know, a shotgun in my mouth.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, there's this kind of, there's like a narrative.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like, why would you want to go in the army?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, when everyone comes out, writes a book about how the mental health problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: There must be a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if someone, you go to like random house or penguin or a book publisher and they go like, can you tell us what you
[SPEAKER_00]: I was in the military for like 30 years and I killed a louder people and I was in all the wars all of good ones and I think I've got any many health problems now I fucking loved every minute of it and I'm sorry I don't really into that kind of that kind of book so um because every book has got the picture of the soldier on the front looking really miserable it's called like sad soldier or
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you know, I hear, you know, the, the, the never called like fucking kill in the enemy or on point or something or, you know, drops on death or something, they're always, they're always like, you know, it's maybe like a very, I'm sure in America, they're all called that, they're always called like, you know, towel head killing zombie major or something, they're all called something like really.
[SPEAKER_00]: really really cool so um so yeah but then it's what's on this program and it's always like where do you know we're out here we're gonna deal with our toxic masculinity and uh and it's stuff like like um it's like guys we're fucking out guys we're not we're not gonna get to the end of the end of the race guys we need to pin our pull our finger out and one of them's like look mate I'm just ear for us
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about as my about loving each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not about winning the race.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then one of the guys like off-scripts like, fuck that my fucking fucking puff that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like, do do do do.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, sorry, stop, stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't say that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to be loving each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and then he's like getting his...
[SPEAKER_00]: pulling his pants down, you know, like, is this like, I don't know, is this the subtlest part of me that, you know, if you were like, we've got this height, we're going to give you all this money, we'll give you like a hundred grand and when they're fly up to the Arctic, and you have to do this trip with these like three other ex soldiers, but the only thing you have to do, you have to keep saying, it's not about the race, it's about us.
[SPEAKER_00]: individuals.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about being there for each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I just couldn't do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be like, oh, fuck off.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't be asking that.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's your money, but he's just money back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he's just not really, what it is, I don't want to be offensive to women.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you basically have like a whole having work from television, especially like a whole bunch of women.
[SPEAKER_00]: who are there, who are projecting their view of what this program should be about, to a lot of like toxic men, and they're kind of toxic as well, because they're fucking, you know, they're like, in that, that's not a great business to be in television, but you know, but they kind of like, it's like the lowest common denominator, like I would like to make a program, where it's like,
[SPEAKER_00]: these like an Alex Honald kind of person.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's always like Alex Honald or any of these people.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're always kind of like, oh, I love my wife and I don't want to go away.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a picture of me daughter.
[SPEAKER_00]: I often think what would happen if I didn't come back and there's always like some music piano music in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, my dad was like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: just be honest that's what I really like that's why I want to I'd like a doctor who whether doctor who was really racist and like really misogynistic and like a right contextically because uh it would be like it's so refreshing you wouldn't have to agree with him but you'd be like at least he's being honest he's a time traveler who just happens to
[SPEAKER_00]: everything in the universe because it's been alive for 2,000 years and it's come to that conclusion that everyone's a bit of a cont basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: So a apologise if anyone was listening to this at home with their children around the table.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll actually click this as like a bit to bit late now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be Paul that stuff out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Struck in brackets I want.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I came up with what I'm talking about now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so but yeah but it's like the if you start going around
[SPEAKER_00]: keep going on about your toxic masculinity like it's just not it's just not like I don't think I have any toxic masculinity um but I would never say it don't mean I would never never never say oh I'm of ally of women something you know just I just don't I don't see the world like that really um not all women anywhere like I'd be ally of some of some some women I'd be very good ally
[SPEAKER_00]: anyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would come.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you were white, if you were straight, if you were male, anyone, I would, I would be your, I would be your ally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, the peer, so I used to make this joke and I lived in London and lived in like pecker, which is primarily like a black kind of area of London and who said like, come on mate, we're all white underneath and I was like, it was like a joke, but it was like, even those days you could make jokes like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But now I was kind of anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I always think I'd be a good ally of anybody because I think, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think people are, I just just don't like that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just seems really dishonest.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd rather be, I'd rather people be just honest about things, like, you know, like, you know, it would be good, like, you know, the more honest people are, that actually will, you're actually
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like if you just said like so in Ireland the moment she's like fucking hell there's a lot of Indians in Ireland all of a sudden people will be like Oh, thank god somebody else said that because I've been thinking exactly the same thing and I thought I was just being a racist.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you know the race like I got nothing of nothing against Indians, but why why why they all here and someone could explain to you that all the Polish and the
[SPEAKER_00]: Latvians went back in COVID and there's no one doing a normal to do the work you know Oh, thanks for telling me that makes a lot of sense and you know you do need you do need to people do these kind of jobs And that makes but instead of like not be able to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just makes people go mental and you know the end of like
[SPEAKER_00]: swastik is on the bathroom, bathroom walls and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway back to this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I want I'm going to climb the nose in the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you need to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not wander, like very, very soon, like make a plan stick to it, start it now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you need to like, you need to say, I'm going to go on climb the nose in the day within
[SPEAKER_00]: within one year and that gives me enough time to get really, really prepared, do some training, get fit, get all the beta.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're something to go and climb the, I'm going to go and climb the nose tomorrow in a day and you have none of those things in place, you probably will fail.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so try and think positively, especially about
[SPEAKER_00]: timing they'll cap in a day because it will require like a monumental amount of positivity to get it done because there will be points where you will not feel very positive and the points where it's like I'm not going to get it to top in a day but really you want to frame it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to get to top in, I want to get to the top in one push.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to sleep on it, I'm just going to get to the top in a push.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that might take you 26 hours, 30 hours, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, um, but that's, that's a, that's a better aim.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were going to go on the nerves, I'm going to, I'm not going to have any bivie gear, we're just going to have some water, some food,
[SPEAKER_00]: a jacket or whatever and we're going to do it in one go and probably have a point like if we're not here by 11 o'clock I'll come back down and then we'll have a few days off and we'll try it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I can know I know like sometimes if like if you've been climbing every single day you're living your sanity or you're basically full-time climb or full-time climbing bomb and you're like super, super fit, super strong, you could like a car would run over your feet
[SPEAKER_00]: then you can just rock up and you can do the nose and like 24 hours easy, you can do it in 12 hours, you can do it in 10 hours.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're just like rocking up for a journal, then you probably will try it once, you're to fail, you try it a second time, you'll fail, you'll try it a third time, you'll almost do it, you'll try it a fourth time, you'll do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's about like,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about, it's not just about how fast you are, it's like memory of where all the holds are, you know, where you swing to, where you grab, you know, what bits you can climb that and you gear, what bits you need some gear in, what gear you need, and all these kind of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the more you do, I think I've climbed the nose like six times, and every time you do it, it gets easier and easier.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's some bits where, you know, you're
[SPEAKER_00]: The first time you did it, you'd be like adding up stuff that later on, you can just like rom-pop, you just climb up, you know where all the holes are, like you know you're putting a cam in you like, and then it's that very good, but once you've climbed it five times, you just like reach over, grab a hole, stand up, you know where the foot all day is, get another, and before you know it at the bea la, so a pitch that might have taken you like an hour to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's literally taking you five minutes to do, and the some pictures might might take a little bit longer, but none of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm going to picture this on it, 30 pictures or something, or less than that, if you run them all to get everyone them together.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you,
[SPEAKER_00]: There's probably less than 24 pitches.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're linking pitches and none of them should take you an hour to climb them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you start thinking of it like that, you know, and some of them will only take you like, you know, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: 10 minutes the climb so I'm going to take you like 20 minutes but the more you do it the more you get those you get those times down you do kind of slow around slow down towards the top.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember the first time a climb that I don't really climb the nose and it but we did like the triple direct where you got the you traverse into you do like the bit of the mure wall and the shield and you traverse in and you're up near the great roof.
[SPEAKER_00]: you know I remember like being like so tired and in fact I like lead the whole the whole thing so it's it's good if like one person does the first half and then the second but the best free climate does the first half and the best aid climate does the second half because that's because the bottom half is like a slab and the top half is like
[SPEAKER_00]: overhanging.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember at the top, there was a bit where you had to, there's like, I think it's the second to last pitch, I was there at the last pitch because you get confused and you kind of run them together.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a bit where you go into this kind of groove, you have to go up this groove and you go out and you go up to the last bealer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this groove, it's just crucifying your feet as your toes are sore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Imagine wearing your rock boots for like 20.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this was like over 24 hours.
[SPEAKER_00]: because we didn't get to the top in time and loads of weird stuff where you saw tired.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can end up wasting so much time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can remember I had to get up to camp 6 or camp 5 maybe because it was like 3 o'clock in the morning.
[SPEAKER_00]: For some reason all the rock was wet.
[SPEAKER_00]: All this moisture in the atmosphere was sticking onto the rock.
[SPEAKER_00]: Suddenly the rock became incredibly
[SPEAKER_00]: damp and slippery and there's bits where everyone's been pissing off the same ledge for like 40 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, like sometimes you can just get really shut down on stuff that's very, very obvious and easy to do, but you just can't, you just can't work out.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that was a very long answer, isn't it for like just like water at one line?
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I'm not really a good or strong climber.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just say you're an average climber.
[SPEAKER_00]: above average maybe because you've later on I think you'd I would say you're a better climber than you're letting on to be so I would I wouldn't even bother saying you're not really a good climber oh you should say I'm not a good climber dot say I'm not really a good climber because that means that maybe you're a good climber so just say
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so just take the univisement, just rephrase that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I always liked your writing on mindset and overcoming ones on shitness.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean by that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Being humble and prepared.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not really humble, it's just like, it's like sincerity, I've just got good at sort of, you know, given the impression I'm sincere and getting on with things, um, you know, I guess so.
[SPEAKER_00]: It helped me to climb El Cap twice in the past, leking fear and the nose.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're not, you're not a really good climber.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've climbed leking fear and the nose.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, there's loads of really good climbers who haven't climbed the nose.
[SPEAKER_00]: A leking fear is kind of a weird one.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a weird one where leking fear.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the nose is, uh,
[SPEAKER_00]: That is like there's loads of really good climbers who cannot climb the nose, who've tried to climb the nose and the fail to climb the nose.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you might what you mean is you might not think you're like able to climb, you know, like, it's, you know, a, air something or climb 5, 11,
[SPEAKER_00]: What everything that being a climber means is like what's really the nose is like you're a good alpenist Like you're good at surviving on the rock and not killing yourself or killing someone else You know how to look after yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know how to all these kind of things So don't don't like think of yourself as a bit shit Like I can pretend I'm shit, but it's not I don't mean it
[SPEAKER_00]: So recently your invitation to an orgy article sounds interesting, resonated a lot with me, what was that about invitation to an orgy?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think invitation to an orgy again on Substack, see the link in the whatever, was about
[SPEAKER_00]: It was about why people failed to climb the nose and a few like, I seem to write a lot of things about the nose.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bit like writing stuff about Alex Hanold or something like it's like an easy, it's like easy in it really.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I want us to today, it was like the beckoms, the beckoms, beckoms, crysis.
[SPEAKER_00]: David Beckham and Victoria Beckham's crisis.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what I'm talking like, London or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been watching that, um, I keep for some reason, clips keep coming up of the, uh, what's the thing rise of the foot soldier or something?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do you bill, come over it and yeah, have you know, if I can, whatever, you cabbage and, um, somebody, it's in my head for some reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's why I keep looking at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so it was like the Beckhams in crisis, is like, are they really in crisis?
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just kind of just drama made up to sell newspapers all like, oh, if he had the Beckhams in crisis, who gives a fuck?
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so I often read these and feel
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was the first bit again?
[SPEAKER_00]: My brain isn't written, like, if somebody's out of a... Do you like an etchis sketch?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a brain's a bit like an etchis sketch, but like on a washing machine that's like going at the same time, like it... not that it just isn't just a pocket work.
[SPEAKER_00]: So regarding the nighad...
[SPEAKER_00]: There are speaking of which.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm on day 20 of my training.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to every Monday, Monday to Friday training at the down at the local gym full of old people who are doing like aquarobics.
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes when you do something over and over again, I can mention in the last one about talking on stage.
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't remember if I just got there.
[SPEAKER_00]: because you're just coming to the same, you're going into the same changing room in the same people are in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's every day almost and you've got the same kit and it's the same everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, how am I going?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I'm like, I'm probably not training hard and if I cut to a difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if you're wondering what your thoughts are,
[SPEAKER_00]: all these high at fast ascents and online tips for high performers.
[SPEAKER_00]: You, you, the reason you're not a high performer, hiker, whatever the name is, is you don't think of yourself as a high performer.
[SPEAKER_00]: You are a high performer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you going up the fucking nose and the day?
[SPEAKER_00]: They give you a shit performer, then you won't have been up the nose.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'd be at the bottom still going like, oh, I'd like to decline the nose one day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I often read these, and feel they are not really suitable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_00]: For me, why not?
[SPEAKER_00]: As I am too scared, slow, weak, etc.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bullshit, I say, I say to you, Hiker, bullshit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope you've been in the gone commit suicide.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, a book called, I'm bullshit with the sub-first.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so yeah, you're not weak and you're not scared and you're not slow.
[SPEAKER_00]: You are human, my son.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're the reason you ask out my son and slow and we, Hiker, hope you're not like from Japan or some work that wasn't meant to be racist.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hiker, I want to hear, put your hand in the fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was kind of half Asian.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is like an American Kung Fu.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, heck, oh, come here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pick up big, heavy metal thing with fire inside and carry it on your forearms.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Master, I am scared.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, that is right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pick it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is so heavy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so weak.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it is fucking heavy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is hurting me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am so weak.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it is fucking hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am so slow.
[SPEAKER_00]: We exit where the fucking turn is on fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, you should have fucking picked up in the first place and just told me to fuck off.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought I was swearing in this today.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how to think of it tired.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so you're not scared.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is you are.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like a thousand fucking meat is up to think Alex homes a bit scared probably.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Alex homes a bit slow.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're probably going at the speed of the satellite signal.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're not weak.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm losing patience with it here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, no, you're not weak, you're not slur, you're not scared.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you can go faster, you can be stronger, you can do it enough that you're less scared, but you won't be scared and you won't be slur, and you won't be weak if you're going to do it in a day, because you would, you've done it before,
[SPEAKER_00]: and if you're doing it faster and if you think you're going to be in the day then you're going to be stronger so yeah pull yourself together man pull yourself together and probably some of this probably AI isn't as you know to me it's not a real person and I wonder what your thoughts would be on a more down-to-earth approach
[SPEAKER_00]: to be like shit people, to nigh at speed climbing, similar to your writing on wall climbing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I might have made a mistake, yeah, I think I might be like the voice of the person who thinks they're shit, like am I shit?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like people like, I'm so shit, but like,
[SPEAKER_00]: The handicap Patrick, he's the voice of people.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's my, you know, he's like, he's like, Mike, I'm like the Steven Sagarler fucking martial arts.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know you wrote a bit about about the topic in higher education.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Available all good bookshops, long as you're an Amazon, but I'm sure you have more to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have not to say, come here, Santai, put your pick up hold back on you with little finger.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't, it's done too weak.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is why you're failed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And would be a cool add-on to your spoiler alert article for the nose, spoiler alert.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, I've got to have you have a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red, a red,
[SPEAKER_00]: I realize you might be fed up about talking about the nose in this case and never mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: You should have put the fucking start of the email, not at the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've just talked about it for like God knows how long so that was a very long reading of
[SPEAKER_00]: American probably.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, some American Americans are American like, hey dude, I'm going to climb the nose in a day and I'm going to be so bitch in and I'm going to send it and they would, you know, all this kind of stuff and they're going to get a big pride flag and what and you're all got to say they probably probably probably would do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's good actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: You are coming here as humble servant to rock.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will, you know, all this kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Please master.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we could lay this rock down in one day, I would be very grateful.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you need to come at this.
[SPEAKER_00]: In South Africa, they have this saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: It basically means the farmer makes a plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it's like, it's a African, a hard, a farmer makes a plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: The farmer makes a plan, but it's like, farmer, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,
[SPEAKER_00]: So the farmer makes a plan, the climate makes a plan, that's what you need to do and you need to get a piece of paper or a spreadsheet and you need to make a plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to put everything on that list that you need to do, you're able to fulfill this objective, which is easily,
[SPEAKER_00]: full fillable.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not saying I want to free climb the nose in a dare.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're basically saying I want to climb it in a dare and loads of people climb it dare.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the first thing to realize.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that difficult.
[SPEAKER_00]: People are climbing the nose three times in a dare and they are really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: But to climb it once in a dare, how easy is
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to break down all the things that you need to.
[SPEAKER_00]: The things you can just get good at and faster at.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what's that really good film that you're like the miracle or something?
[SPEAKER_00]: One is like sport films where you get some like ice getting up and down up and down and they're all like sweating all that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to kind of have some that kind of level.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to be able to like jumear amazingly fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you want to be able to like so slick with your jumearing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Imagine like Delta Force something and you're like, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: Try it again, try it again, try it again, you know, faster, faster, you know, do it again, do it better, do it again, do it better and you just want to be so good, do you marring that and do you mind with the pack, do you marring when it's steep?
[SPEAKER_00]: but at the same time not taking loads of like short cuts that you're in control, you're being professional, you're being safe, but you're also like zipping up that rope super quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you want to practice short fixing.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first person climbs up.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, place a few bits of gear, get to the bea layer, pulls up, pulls up all the slack, ties of ties are not in it, ties up on butterfly into it, clips into the bea layer, rock fixed, so you hear rock fixed.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you start heading up that rope, taking all gear out, you're made, now it's like soloing the next pitch with the Greekry on the rope, on no, on no, Greekry, say like the bit above the, uh, going to the Texas flake, you know, you're just kind of going up boat, boat, boat like that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the time you get to the bea layer, you get them on bea layer.
[SPEAKER_00]: So neither view is ever stopping, like someone's always moving the whole time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It shouldn't be hauling, you should be just going up, you know, going up without hauling.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you just need, like, really understand each other, have really got systems, however, things rats, like, how much water you're going to need to drain, how much water you're going to need to drain.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to take too much, you don't want to take too little, you need to kind of get yourself to the point on the nose, which I would say is going on the great roof where going to the top is quicker than going back down again.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you need to get used to climbing in the dark, you don't want to get intimidated by the dark, you have to start in the dark, you'll have to finish in the dark,
[SPEAKER_00]: make darkness your friend to be like Batman, you know, or, or, or Delta Force or something, we own the night.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good thing to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: When it gets dark, start saying shit like that, like, we own the night and all that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Woohoo!
[SPEAKER_00]: Even though you'd be slow scared and weak, you just have to start pretending.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, well,
[SPEAKER_00]: Whoa, I love the fucking night, all that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fucking hell, the ropes, cutting half.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fuckin' love, having to cut rock and all that kind of stuff, and I just fell and I just dropped it, and after the whole thing, I'm like, one Jew or a Gregory, woohoo.
[SPEAKER_00]: This just gets better and better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, look at, I've dropped my shoe.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were, hey, first one, shoe, a Cinderella cap, brilliant, pretty stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you just need to, you know what, you just need to know how I'm a toxic masculinity if it come on lads for doing this,
[SPEAKER_00]: We're doing this to, you know, to pull each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'll focus on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're trying to get the top of the other cap in the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: So...
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so you need to nail all those kind of things like you need to go out with your when you're hot climbing instead of like one person leads when you go out free climbing the other person jugs to pitch to clean it and you just try and do gone trying to do like you know like 20 30 routes in a day just like bang bang bang bang bang bang going up them going not none of this like you
[SPEAKER_00]: on the nose to do it in a day, or to climb up a cap in a day.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I climb up a cap in a day, I climb it twice in a day, and I try to solo it in a day, and I own a kind of almost did, but I didn't, but anyway, we might have a kind of almost did, which is not the same as doing it, but it's kind of almost doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't, the trick is not to go fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not to slow down or stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like a train.
[SPEAKER_00]: To, to, you just got to keep going at the correct speed to get you to where you need to be on time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So does that make sense?
[SPEAKER_00]: In a few go, like a, like my son does like park run, don't have to have park run where you live.
[SPEAKER_00]: Parker was like the kids have to run like two kilometers and you see like the kids have never done it before and they just They just like run way too fast and within like 500 meters they're fucked basically and they'll They'll still stop running or they'll just they'll just drop out or something or they'll they'll come to ask us something where the kids have done it like
[SPEAKER_00]: a marathon's worth.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you know a marathon, you get like a little band on your around your wrist, it's five.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, they understand how to pay some selves to get round with the correct amount of energy depletion, so they can get to the end as fast as they can, but not so fast that they can.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's the same on the nose, you need to go a slow steady pace,
[SPEAKER_00]: that will get you to the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not the tortoise and the hair.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the donkey and the donkey and the racehorse.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it seems you just need to just be like, there's a really good film, it's called TT, closer to the edge, hyaluric amender.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually about the Isle of Man,
[SPEAKER_00]: documentary, I highly recommend it 100% and in that you'll notice that the guys who win the TT Island man race, which is probably one of the most dangerous bike races, I think people are doing like 200 miles an hour on motorbikes, down country lanes and stuff, there's some horrific shit going on in that race, but the people who win, the people who don't win are like, oh yeah, so good, I was going to tune for them in the right really at Guy Martins, like amazing character
[SPEAKER_00]: But the people of Winner like, yes, I was going it about 300 miles an hour and at this point my front tire burst, but I was able to either the talk like they're like a machine like an IBM computer or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: that you need to be like a computer.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need to be like a mad like fighting for your life from pitch pitch one and and also like and don't be so like you've already got some negative shit going on in your head.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hiker, so don't let that um
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't let that stop you, you need to like give yourself a good talking to.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're on pitch three and you're waist like five minutes or something goes wrong, don't be like, ah, fucked up like we have to go back down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just just the depth to it and overcome it and keep on going.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you'll make up that time later on.
[SPEAKER_00]: The less the fact, the further you go, the more you do, the better you are doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you will just go,
[SPEAKER_00]: You will get tired, but you will also get better at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're doing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just as in being on the nose, you're doing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll go faster, you're the way you're putting your feet in your head.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll go faster, the way you go from airing to free climbing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll go faster, the speed at which you set up your ropes of the hours.
[SPEAKER_00]: Another tip is like a lot of people, this is probably on tips for those tips for professional good climbers, not shit climbers.
[SPEAKER_00]: to adult tower first.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you want to do like a fairs, a training training trip up to adult tower because then then wrap back down again.
[SPEAKER_00]: So go up in the morning or four in the morning, go up to adult tower, passes you can, this is absolute back down and then think about it and then you could even do it a second time because really when when you once you get
[SPEAKER_00]: which is like one, what really one picture of doll.
[SPEAKER_00]: It, a lot of like I've said that when you get to the great roof, you're, you know, psychologically like, is quicker to keep going up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really, I think once you're done like the King's Swing,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really, really quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of very quick to go for.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of very fast pitches that go from LCAP tower.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, going from dull all the way up to the roof is actually pretty quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that come six, come five, come six is above it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so yeah, so getting that fair spit of like the getting through all the the the the thing he cracks the they stole like cracks and stuff is just like this just so much climbing on the nose it really is like scrambling around like he could solo you could probably solo a ton of it and you wouldn't even think about it but just just to all together it seems like a lot but once you have done some kind of rehearsing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like your man, hands floreen, whom my wife wants to watch once met and she's like, are you hands floreen, and you went, I tried to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he, he's done the nose like a hundred times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, it's literally every single inch of that climb.
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you just, you don't need to do it that many times to really know that like, if I do like three hand-jumping moves here, there's a really good hold, and then above that there's another hold, I can stand on the fairs hold, and then I can put like a camel at four in, I'll just pull up on that, I don't need to use my head as, and I can reach up and I get this thing, I'll just pull the camel at four out again, and then blah, blah, blah, blah, and you don't want to be, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: And the things like when you do the pancake, is it the pancake flakes, it's not the pancake flake, what's the big, the big, the hollow flake?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it hollow flake anyway?
[SPEAKER_00]: That big, flake, you chimney thing, you have to go up.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's little things like if you doxip any of the gear, then you can flip your your lead line out of the out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the person can juggle up on the outside rather than the inside.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like all this is written down on those things about climbing the nose in a day.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a few things you learn, but really it's just about keeping a consistent speed that you can maintain.
[SPEAKER_00]: and don't get frustrated when things slow you down because later on things will go quicker than you think and you'll get like a momentum and once you get up to the the delouring spot and all those kind of places you're so close as long as you've you know as long as you keep eating and drinking like take
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, you need to keep your energy levels up, you need to be rested before you start, you need to be psychologically, like sometimes actually sometimes when you're not rested and you're not when you think you're going to give you worse performance or something, often that's when you give you best.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why that is.
[SPEAKER_00]: You offer someone as everything in their favor and their share and other times everything is against them and they're amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's about like your psychological.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, I don't know what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you write yourself off like, oh, we're not gonna be able to do this, but we'll get as far as we can, and then we'll come back down.
[SPEAKER_00]: But suddenly, feel yourself going so much faster than you would when you thought you got to the top.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why that is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you write yourself off like,
[SPEAKER_00]: So people often say that when people have been like a big battle or something they often think I'm going to die, I'm definitely going to die and then it kind of releases them to be more effective and they often do like amazing things rather than just like
[SPEAKER_00]: just being cowering and dying and something I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah so it's, there are, like really it's really, really, really simple.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's the same as going to do like a marathon or any event like don't make it to something it's not and don't make it to something that's beyond you or or impossible like any
[SPEAKER_00]: any good team of people, of climbers, of average, like climbing 5-9, could climb the nose in a dare, without a doubt.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know climbers of, you know, loads of climbers of climbing in a dare, and it was, you know, an average strategy, you know, what you're going to do if you don't climb it in a dare, like the you,
[SPEAKER_00]: do you wrap all the back down again?
[SPEAKER_00]: How you can wrap from the very last beelor all it down to the ground?
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're done the dull, if you have some of them for the dull, that's good because you kind of have an idea of how to get down from there, you know, you can get down at a certain in a certain quick speed.
[SPEAKER_00]: have like a plan like well if we get up to camp six and you know what I want you around the roof you just got to keep going really like even if it takes you 30 hours you know just you just got to keep going because it's quicker to
[SPEAKER_00]: It is quicker to keep going up there, and once it goes over 24 hours, you do start slowing down, because that kind of, you know, the impetus, the impetus.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like imagine in the middle of the ocean, and you're trying to swim to land and the shark chasing you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like when the shark gets blown up by
[SPEAKER_00]: submarine or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're still going to head for land, but you're not going to go quite as fast as you were before.
[SPEAKER_00]: So once you're on the top part of the nose, you're not going to do it in 24 hours.
[SPEAKER_00]: It can kind of grind down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I once tried to do Zodiac in a day.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I laid, some reason, I don't know, it's not a good strategy for one person to do everything, but the guys with was like, keep going, doing really well.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I climbed, we climbed all the way
[SPEAKER_00]: the last like two or three pitches and we managed to traverse onto a ledge on another route and we sort of saw tired and I was like falling asleep as I was like as I was leading we saw not good and yeah we traversed onto this onto this ledge I thought that we still had we probably we could have done it in 24 hours but he didn't
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like our, probably about our 21, we stopped on this ledge and we slept on this ledge and then it literally probably took all the next layer to climb the next like three or four pitches because I was so tired, so tired from the day before and you have no like,
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have no kind of drive to go as fast as you can, and you're just really tired.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's another thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you have one go, you really have like, you have some practice goes, going up there, practicing, going to dog tower, maybe go above dog tower a little bit, come back down, up, sell down.
[SPEAKER_00]: But once you give it, you're all for that one go.
[SPEAKER_00]: You only really get one really, really good go.
[SPEAKER_00]: So make it count because if you're going to try again like that takes like it takes like a shit tonne a shit tonne of extra Cycan effort and and your your body and your your brain
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not gonna, you know, it's not gonna, it's gonna be really hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I do, I know people who have met them in the 17 that've been up like three times to climb the nose in the day, and like on the third time they did it, but it's like, oh, that's pretty impressive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they've kind of hang around the triet then hang around for a week and just go crying and relax, then they try again.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like the idea for me, like, I think I tried to solo LCAP in a day,
[SPEAKER_00]: would have been at 2,000 and 2,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000
[SPEAKER_00]: Hacker.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably like probably a Bulgarian person.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, why you make front of me like, like, China man, Bulgarians like that, they're a bit racist.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so yeah, no offense to anyone who's Chinese.
[SPEAKER_00]: So uh, so yeah, so yeah, so um, anything else?
[SPEAKER_00]: So oh, yeah, so it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting that, you know, it's for now I was talking about radicalization.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll make a little noise now because that's the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the end of the
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a box of clips.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, it was before we got before I close out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting I was talking about radicalism, wasn't it radicalism, don't get radicalized.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I feel like since I said that, a lot more people have become radicalized, maybe I'm just ahead of the game, who knows it, but are you radicalized?
[SPEAKER_00]: more radicalized, less radicalized, you're like, some of you like Andy said, not to become radicalized and not to be path, not to take, not to make it personal.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe you've changed, who knows?
[SPEAKER_00]: But one little thing is, I'm going to leave I'm going to make a little observation here from my experience as a human being, of looking at seeing and witnessing things, which I found very interesting at the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So once upon a time I went to give a slideshow at an event and there was loads of different speakers there, loads of different things, there was like environmentalists and all these kind of people.
[SPEAKER_00]: And one of them was like a political activist.
[SPEAKER_00]: Would you call it direct action?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know like the people who would like superglue hand to the 16-chappled?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, people who would, it's not terrorism, but it's like, it's kind of terrorism adjacent.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's very hard to actually think of what a not sure if direct action is the right kind of term, but it's kind of, I'll put it this way, it's like your, she, so she did, she gave a talk about what she does and she also did some training of how to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the example I would give is you have a line of
[SPEAKER_00]: or please persons with big fuck off sticks and batons and everything else.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you go up to that placement in the view of the world's media and you basically get in their shit and get in their face and you shout and you scream in their face and you don't physically spit on them or you don't physically
[SPEAKER_00]: do anything to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you, the basically the aim is to make that person who is like a representative of the state or of power to hit you over the head and potentially ideally to kill you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now that's not ideal if you're the person being killed, but that is the, that is the,
[SPEAKER_00]: So all you see is this person being hit over the head.
[SPEAKER_00]: a woman, you know, someone who is, someone who is, if it's like a skinhead guy, it's not as effective, but it's a woman holding a baby, if it's a, you know, whatever a child or someone, you know, it's like, it's, it's the idea is to, um, the same, like terrorism is exactly the same, like a few terrorists cannot overthrow a state, but they can get the state to,
[SPEAKER_00]: to carry out such a repressive, murderous campaign against them, that can turn the whole country against them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of what happened in Ireland when they had the uprising in
[SPEAKER_00]: which my grandfather was involved in, but not on the right side, he was a British soldier.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in that the country was actually on the side of the British, they saw themselves part of the British empire and put the the cack-handed overly violent response of the British against the Irish,
[SPEAKER_00]: is led to just led to the independence of Ireland.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a very well understood thing of force in the other side to use an immense amount of unreasonable force, which they feel is they're only, you know, like, you know, just you just push that policeman to hit you over the head or mess you or fire a rubble at you or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it shows that you are
[SPEAKER_00]: peaceful, because you know, I think to them really, just screaming in their face for like, you know, 10 hours are like several weeks or several months getting in their getting in their ship, basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, um, or you get the state to do something.
[SPEAKER_00]: You get the state to, if you think so, so this is going to upset some people, but say like, how mass attacking Israel, what do you think the reason was?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think it was to capture the entire
[SPEAKER_00]: Stit of Israel and defeat the Israeli army, or was it to get the Israelis to be unreasonable and kill like 20,000 Palestinians.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think once you use that lens of like one, this is one lens you could try using about the world and about how things how things are and how things are
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it, I would say, like it leads to de-radicalization, because it's like, that is what's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's also used in regime change, this person dies, this thing is magnified.
[SPEAKER_00]: creates the right response, the regime, collapses, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like it's a well-known kind of tactic in changing power over throwing power, changing policy, you know, a political action, one side is defeating the other, oh no, oh that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's not nice if you're getting killed or you're getting bombed or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the people, I would say the people who
[SPEAKER_00]: really behind it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a power struggle between two groups.
[SPEAKER_00]: And either group can use this technique, it works, it works both ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so that's, so that was, that is a quite a precise, precise thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope I'm not upsetting anybody, but I'm just telling you that they're
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not me being conspiracy theorist.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is technically how you do it, which is expressed in many different sort of forms, read like rules for radicals.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even this thing that's gone in America recently, the fact that
[SPEAKER_00]: the fact that you can take what the other side view was wholly, say, open carry, having a gun, dressing like a, you know, veteran, a soldier of veteran affairs, the, you know, the clothes
[SPEAKER_00]: Taining the tables on them, you're using their symbols against them, which is in rules for radicals, interesting book to read.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, so I do apologize, this has been quite a light-hearted, quite a light-hearted podcast, but I do feel, I do feel people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like everywhere I go, like I'm sitting in cafes every day.
[SPEAKER_00]: and people are just talking about this stuff all the time and it just feel like they don't really.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying like whenever you say anything like it's like oh you think you know more than you think you know more than I do or you think you're better than me it's like
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just think I just think about it a little bit more than you have like you're just showing you're just sharing something that's AI generated to all your friends on Facebook and it's that's not real and you don't you're not taking the time to understand what's really going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: and what's really going on who knows but it's not what you think it is probably it's not nothing ever is what you think it is if you're seeing it you're seeing it for a reason think of it like that you know if you're thinking it can set a separate from everything else then that's probably more like organic so yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: So I do apologize.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're willing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy for you to stop listening to the podcast and go and listen to something else.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anything else going on in the Kept Patrick can Patrick weld.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so I've just started.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've actually just, I've been trying to do this to the Beyond the Book.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just find it quite hard to more of it myself to finish it so I've actually started a bit of a bit of this now really.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've actually started a fictional book that I've had in my head for a long time and it's quite, so yes, it's almost like when you're writing sort of technical
[SPEAKER_00]: way he can suddenly just be like write something that's creative and it's basically what's by the story, but it's the story of, it's basically best, it's a story based on Lord to people I know, it's a story of someone who goes who is basically unlovable and who thinks
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like one of these fucking books isn't it like unlovable by Andrew K. Patrick, which is my face on the front and so it's a bow.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about, it's a basically it's about self-destruction.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about someone who from a very early age feels, there's everything he can
[SPEAKER_00]: and he and he goes on a journey and eventually becomes a climber and eventually he becomes like super blah blah blah but it's also to do with this feeling of like impending doom like you're going to you're going to die doing this but you can't really get out of it so it's kind of a I would say it's like a cross between
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a cross between, touch in the void and 50 shares of grey.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, there's no shagging in it, that's a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's probably, it's more like a story of like, of, of, uh, of ulystek and,
[SPEAKER_00]: Alan Muller and friend Alan Muller and it's kind of a mixture of like the things that go in those going on in those people's heads, which I think have a little insight into, which is not which is not necessarily a good thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You are in fact kind of like trapped, you're trapped in this.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is my identity.
[SPEAKER_00]: and to stay in my my identity, I have to do things which are going to kill me eventually, but I can't stop myself and I need other people to approve, you know, the feel, the feel I have any value other people have to approve, you approve of me and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of, it's an interesting, it's an interesting project and I'm trying to write every
[SPEAKER_00]: The chapters are very, very sparse, sparsely written.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want it to be a big book, I want it to be a very little book.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I want it to have massive jumps from one, more on periods of person's life to the other.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'd nearly like a whole chapter be like one page.
[SPEAKER_00]: to build up this, this kind of, it's rather less, it's kind of what less, less saying less with more, if you know what I mean.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not going to be hugely descriptive.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to have like loads of big blank bits of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, so it's kind of interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about late, late in the bed, late at bed night, like waking up like thinking about like little things that
[SPEAKER_00]: that people might say in the book and little, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting how you have interactions with people in your life and they might just say something one thing to you or they might just just, I don't know, I think people can have a massive effect on other people, like Mr. Hiker, like you know Mrs. Hiker, like you know, they could go away from this podcast and be like,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, I am a worthless piece of shit, and I, you know, don't make the my car wear, like, go like, I'm not shit.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not crap.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not weak.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he is right.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is the, you know, the sense that my sense I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I,
[SPEAKER_00]: So people can say things to you and you know, just little things and you can actually have a big impact.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's bits in the book like that where there's like this person goes from like a person who can't, you know, as in ball stall and all this kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And any opportunity for something good to come of his life or any love it might be coming his way, he'll always fuck it all up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And um,
[SPEAKER_00]: and it's that kind of how people help him to, you know, to share, to change that way of seeing himself and everything else.
[SPEAKER_00]: But ultimately, the character's like doomed, he's gonna, he's gonna die.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but don't we all, so yeah, even hiker, if you are real hiker, you may be AI, so I do, if you are,
[SPEAKER_00]: go down here, go down here, good job, I can get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, getting you questions, any questions?
[SPEAKER_00]: No more about knows in the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get you questions in, um, high COVID, get any of the questions just then again, but just changing them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, see ya.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, until next time, stay safe.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.