WEBVTT 00:00.706 --> 00:14.896 [SPEAKER_00]: In the last episode, we analyzed potential motives that Israel would have to want President Kennedy out of office, making it clear that the Israeli government had a few reasons to want JFK out of the picture. 00:15.257 --> 00:18.985 [SPEAKER_00]: This is nothing new in the study of the JFK assassination. 00:18.965 --> 00:25.380 [SPEAKER_00]: Every accused group or institution that we've studied and will be studying has a motive. 00:25.681 --> 00:27.726 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why they're even in the conversation. 00:27.946 --> 00:30.251 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why this case is so confusing. 00:30.592 --> 00:32.417 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure is real had motive. 00:32.617 --> 00:37.328 [SPEAKER_00]: But the real question is whether there was also means and opportunity. 00:37.308 --> 00:46.100 [SPEAKER_00]: And even then, much like with Lyndon Johnson, just because someone could have pulled it off, doesn't prove that they actually did. 00:46.161 --> 01:02.083 [SPEAKER_00]: In this episode, we begin to explore whether Israel would have had the ability to assassinate President Kennedy by analyzing the relationship of CIA counterintelligence chief James Angleton and the Israeli government. 01:04.173 --> 01:09.681 [SPEAKER_02]: In Dallas, Texas, three shots were fired at President Kennedy's motorcade in downtown Dallas. 01:10.222 --> 01:24.763 [SPEAKER_02]: The first reports say that President Kennedy has been seriously wounded by this shooting. 01:33.552 --> 01:39.198 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they have formally charged the assassination question. 01:39.218 --> 01:42.041 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess the hat of the gunman is the unclean. 01:42.061 --> 01:44.363 [SPEAKER_01]: But also acting alone. 01:44.383 --> 01:45.104 [SPEAKER_01]: And was he a member of experts? 01:45.124 --> 01:46.125 [SPEAKER_01]: Mission answers. 01:46.145 --> 01:48.207 [SPEAKER_01]: The acting alone. 01:48.227 --> 01:52.812 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking. 01:52.832 --> 01:55.595 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking. 01:55.735 --> 01:55.975 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking. 01:55.995 --> 01:56.236 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking. 01:56.256 --> 01:56.496 [UNKNOWN]: I'm looking. 01:57.958 --> 01:59.499 [SPEAKER_00]: This is Solving JFK. 01:59.940 --> 02:01.281 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host, Matt Crumpton. 02:03.725 --> 02:10.193 [SPEAKER_00]: If you've been listening to this podcast since the beginning, chances are that you've heard James Angleton's name before. 02:10.774 --> 02:25.092 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about Angleton when discussing Mexico City, noting that he showed up at former CIA station chief Winston Scott's house in Mexico to take files out of his safe after Scott died. 02:25.072 --> 02:36.311 [SPEAKER_00]: We also discussed Angleton and the context of Lee Harvey Oswald's CIA file being bifurcated just before the Mexico City Station asked about Oswald. 02:36.932 --> 02:42.702 [SPEAKER_00]: Once we get to the examination of the Central Intelligence Agency, we'll cover Angleton in depth. 02:43.102 --> 02:49.493 [SPEAKER_00]: For now, let's get to know James Angleton and the context of his relationship with Israel. 02:49.979 --> 03:04.319 [SPEAKER_00]: Starting in 1949, Angleton became the head of CIA's staff A of the Office of Special Operations, which collected foreign intelligence and communicated with friendly foreign intelligence agencies. 03:04.939 --> 03:10.527 [SPEAKER_00]: In that role, he would meet men like Rubin Shiloa, the founder of the Israeli Mossad. 03:11.088 --> 03:17.016 [SPEAKER_00]: Angleton, who was rapidly anti-communist, like most members of the American establishment, 03:16.996 --> 03:25.027 [SPEAKER_00]: was initially wary of Israel because the Soviet Union was the first nation to give Israel diplomatic recognition. 03:25.527 --> 03:40.287 [SPEAKER_00]: Angleton's concern about Israel being loyal to the Soviet Union was allayed by Joseph Stalin's arrest and murder of anyone promoting Jewish culture within the USSR in 1948. 03:40.267 --> 03:54.006 [SPEAKER_00]: Nevertheless, Angleton knew that Israel was an important strategic partner for the United States, because he feared that Israel would become a place where the Soviets would launch spies into the West. 03:55.100 --> 04:14.863 [SPEAKER_00]: In April of 1951, after visiting Washington the year before and being impressed by the central intelligence agency, Rubin Shiloa reorganized the Israeli security forces to create the institute for intelligence and special tasks, which became known as Masad. 04:14.843 --> 04:17.328 [SPEAKER_00]: the Hebrew word for institute. 04:18.049 --> 04:36.565 [SPEAKER_00]: Shiloa worked with Angleton to create an agreement for mutual information sharing between Israel and the U.S. Angleton then became the CIA's exclusive liaison to the Israeli Mossad, which provided valuable information to the agency about Arab states. 04:36.815 --> 04:46.966 [SPEAKER_00]: In 1954, Angleton ascended to the role of counterintelligence chief of the CIA, a title that he would maintain for 20 years. 04:47.506 --> 05:00.720 [SPEAKER_00]: According to Angleton, biographer Tom Mangold, quote, Angleton was extended such trust by his superiors that there was often a significant failure of executive control over his activities. 05:01.340 --> 05:04.864 [SPEAKER_00]: Angleton acted without bureaucratic interference. 05:04.844 --> 05:09.913 [SPEAKER_00]: The simple fact was that if Angleton wanted something done, it was done. 05:09.953 --> 05:19.950 [SPEAKER_00]: He even had control of a secret slush fund, which was approved by Director Alan Dullis, that was never audited or reviewed. 05:19.930 --> 05:36.420 [SPEAKER_00]: Angleton visited Israel frequently, befriending many of the top leaders of the Israeli government, including Rubin Shaloa's massage successor, Issa Harrell, whom Angleton admired for capturing Holocaust architect Adolf Aikman. 05:36.400 --> 05:46.593 [SPEAKER_00]: Angleton appreciated that Harrell was building relationships with African leaders in an attempt to keep them from falling under the influence of the Soviets. 05:47.354 --> 06:01.092 [SPEAKER_00]: Angleton also had a good relationship with Harrell's massade successor, mere a meet, who took over for Harrell in March of 1963 after Harrell had a falling out with David Bin Gurian. 06:01.072 --> 06:11.105 [SPEAKER_00]: One of Angleton's closest friends in Israel was Mimi Deschallet, a military intelligence officer stationed at the Israeli Embassy in the United States. 06:11.705 --> 06:15.690 [SPEAKER_00]: When Deschallet returned to Israel, Angleton often visited him. 06:15.991 --> 06:25.763 [SPEAKER_00]: He also got to know Deschallet's brother Amos Deschallet, a professor of nuclear physics who was a major contributor to the Demona nuclear project. 06:25.743 --> 06:33.216 [SPEAKER_00]: On top of that, Angleton knew Asher Bin Natan, the chief nuclear procurement officer for Israel. 06:33.837 --> 06:47.481 [SPEAKER_00]: Their relationship went back to World War II when Bin Natan provided intelligence to Angleton and the OSS about the Jewish agencies efforts to help war refugees immigrate to Palestine. 06:48.372 --> 06:56.809 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll come back to James Angleton momentarily, but first, let's pivot to a relevant question about Israel's nuclear program. 06:57.350 --> 07:03.563 [SPEAKER_00]: How exactly did they make a nuclear bomb from scratch without the Americans knowing? 07:03.543 --> 07:08.332 [SPEAKER_00]: We know that Israel did, in fact, manufacture nuclear weapons. 07:08.653 --> 07:25.045 [SPEAKER_00]: This was confirmed in 1986 when former Israeli nuclear technician Mordecai Venunu came forward to the British press, revealing dozens of photographs that proved Israel had at least a hundred nuclear warheads. 07:25.025 --> 07:35.279 [SPEAKER_00]: The new new was later drugged by the Mossad in Italy and taken to Israel where he was convicted and spent 18 years in an Israeli prison. 07:35.920 --> 07:40.667 [SPEAKER_00]: So how did Israel obtain the uranium that would be required for a nuclear bomb? 07:41.107 --> 07:53.344 [SPEAKER_00]: It's widely believed that the uranium was smuggled from the United States by Americans who were sympathetic to the Israeli cause, a claim that deserves a closer look. 07:53.324 --> 08:01.959 [SPEAKER_00]: The story centers around David Lowenthal, who was raised in the U.S., but went to Europe after World War II to join the Hagenah. 08:02.360 --> 08:16.885 [SPEAKER_00]: The Hagenah was the primary Zionist paramilitary organization, which was originally formed to defend Jewish settlements from attacks after a series of riots in the late 1920s and throughout the 1930s. 08:16.865 --> 08:24.686 [SPEAKER_00]: After joining the Haginah, Lowenthaw helped by a ship that allowed 8,000 Jews to emigrate to Palestine. 08:24.987 --> 08:32.848 [SPEAKER_00]: Later, during the 1948 War, Lowenthaw served under the future Masad Chief mere amite. 08:32.828 --> 08:37.616 [SPEAKER_00]: In 1955, David Lowenthall returned to Pennsylvania. 08:37.656 --> 08:52.440 [SPEAKER_00]: Two years later, with the help of business partners Morton Chatkin and Ivan Novik, Lowenthall purchased a shuddered steel manufacturing plant in Apollo, Pennsylvania about 40 miles northeast of Pittsburgh. 08:52.420 --> 09:04.064 [SPEAKER_00]: After low-enthall resumed steel production at the plant, a subsidiary was formed with the purpose of creating nuclear fuel rods for use in nuclear reactors. 09:04.826 --> 09:11.239 [SPEAKER_00]: The subsidiary was called the Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation, or Numec. 09:11.219 --> 09:17.666 [SPEAKER_00]: Low-enthal tapped atomic energy commission scientist Dr. Salman Shapiro to lead Numec. 09:18.107 --> 09:36.687 [SPEAKER_00]: The company began processing nuclear fuel rods in 1959, but within a few years, enriched uranium began to disappear from Numec with unusual frequency and in far higher volumes than at any other nuclear fuel rod plant. 09:36.667 --> 09:46.826 [SPEAKER_00]: By March of 1968, Numek had lost 267 kilograms of enriched uranium that could not be explained. 09:47.427 --> 09:56.363 [SPEAKER_00]: To put that into context, the bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima had 64 kilograms of enriched uranium. 09:56.647 --> 09:58.709 [SPEAKER_00]: So what was going on at Numec? 09:59.270 --> 10:02.373 [SPEAKER_00]: Why did they seem to be hemorrhaging nuclear material? 10:02.754 --> 10:06.217 [SPEAKER_00]: For the longest time, the answer to that question was unknown. 10:06.678 --> 10:24.257 [SPEAKER_00]: There were numerous investigations into Numec, including by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, the FBI, the CIA, the General Accounting Office, the National Security Council, the Defense Intelligence Agency, and two congressional committees. 10:24.237 --> 10:29.106 [SPEAKER_00]: Still, the disappearing nuclear fuel rods remained a mystery. 10:29.607 --> 10:43.073 [SPEAKER_00]: Then, in 2009, the FBI released a detailed statement made in 1980 by a former New Mac employee who worked there from 1965 until 1978. 10:43.053 --> 10:52.649 [SPEAKER_00]: That former employee said that in early April of 1965, he walked out onto the loading dock to get a breath of fresh air. 10:53.069 --> 11:01.483 [SPEAKER_00]: When he was outside, he, quote, noticed a flatbed truck backed up on the loading dock with some strange equipment on it. 11:01.463 --> 11:18.358 [SPEAKER_00]: He also saw Dr. Xalman Shapiro, the man in charge of Numec, who rarely appeared at the manufacturing plant, quote, pacing around the loading dock, while two other Numec employees were loading stove pipes onto the truck. 11:18.338 --> 11:29.293 [SPEAKER_00]: The stove pipes referred to were cylindrical storage containers used to store canisters of highly enriched materials in the vaults at New Mac. 11:29.313 --> 11:37.545 [SPEAKER_00]: Notably, the two other employees who helped load the truck did not normally load and unload from the dock. 11:37.525 --> 11:49.447 [SPEAKER_00]: The former New Mac employee also relayed that he looked at a clipboard that one of the men loading the truck had been holding after it was laid down on an empty drum on the dock. 11:49.788 --> 11:59.145 [SPEAKER_00]: He then noticed that the shipping manifest on the clipboard said the material was heading to a ship that was bound for Israel. 11:59.125 --> 12:10.452 [SPEAKER_00]: The clipboard was then taken back from the unnamed employee and he was told by those loading the truck that the information was quote confidential and not for his eyes. 12:11.033 --> 12:17.168 [SPEAKER_00]: The next day the plant personnel manager threatened to fire the man if he didn't keep his mouth shut. 12:17.148 --> 12:38.334 [SPEAKER_00]: In addition to this damning report from the former Numec employee, declassified FBI reports show that during the time Dr. Shapiro led Numec, he collaborated with the science at Tashay office at the Israeli embassy in Washington and Israeli intelligence agencies, Shinbet and Masad. 12:38.915 --> 12:46.885 [SPEAKER_00]: Moreover, FBI and atomic energy commission 12:46.865 --> 12:53.765 [SPEAKER_00]: 4 Israeli citizens known to be affiliated with Israeli intelligence visited New Mac. 12:53.785 --> 13:01.768 [SPEAKER_00]: One of them was Rafi Itan, who went on to become the head of Israel's nuclear program, Lechem. 13:02.221 --> 13:16.279 [SPEAKER_00]: Declassified CIA documents from the 1970s show that CIA staffers Carl Duckett and John Hadden concluded that New Mac Uranium had, in fact, been diverted to Israel. 13:16.900 --> 13:29.376 [SPEAKER_00]: The CIA discovered highly enriched uranium near the Demona plant with a signature that indicated the uranium could have only originated from Port Smith, Ohio. 13:29.356 --> 13:39.156 [SPEAKER_00]: Uranium that came from Portsmouth was 97.7% enriched at the Atomic Energy Commission plant located near the Ohio River. 13:39.637 --> 13:48.816 [SPEAKER_00]: Portsmouth, Ohio was the only place in the world at the time that could create 97.7% enriched uranium. 13:48.796 --> 13:53.085 [SPEAKER_00]: Most of the other uranium was enriched to only 93%. 13:53.185 --> 14:03.987 [SPEAKER_00]: This port's myth uranium was used solely for American submarine reactor fuel, which is exactly what Numec processed. 14:04.962 --> 14:14.517 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's clear that Israel obtained nuclear fuel rides for Demona by clandestinely taking them from the Numec plant. 14:14.537 --> 14:18.964 [SPEAKER_00]: This begs the question of whether James Angleton was in on it. 14:19.745 --> 14:28.118 [SPEAKER_00]: Angleton failed to notice or to report all of the stolen uranium that went missing from Numec starting in 1959. 14:28.098 --> 14:45.972 [SPEAKER_00]: We know that Angleton was looped in on the New Mac missing nuclear fuel rod investigation in 1965 and that he discussed the case with his FBI liaison Sam Papitch as well as CIA Tel Aviv Station Chief John Hadden. 14:45.952 --> 14:52.942 [SPEAKER_00]: Hadden later told his son, quote, the fact they stole it from us didn't worry Angleton in the least. 14:53.423 --> 14:58.771 [SPEAKER_00]: I suspect that in his inmost heart, he would have given it to them if they asked for it. 14:59.111 --> 15:05.661 [SPEAKER_00]: I never sent anything to Angleton on the nuclear program, because I knew he'd try to stop it if I did. 15:05.721 --> 15:13.292 [SPEAKER_00]: Hadden added, quote, I thought we ought to learn things about the Israelis, like whether or not they had a bomb. 15:13.272 --> 15:25.788 [SPEAKER_00]: Angleton, biographer Jefferson Morley, pretty much summed it up when he said, quote, Angleton thought collaboration with Israel was more important than U.S. non-proliferation policy. 15:26.409 --> 15:32.597 [SPEAKER_00]: While there is no direct evidence that Angleton knew about the Numec fuel rod scheme, 15:32.577 --> 15:50.097 [SPEAKER_00]: Given his frequent contact with Masad leaders, and his close personal relationship with Mimi Deschallet, whose brother was a scientist on the Demona nuclear project, it's easy to say that Angleton should have known about the Israeli nuclear program. 15:50.077 --> 15:57.228 [SPEAKER_00]: If Angleton wasn't aware of Demona's development, he sure didn't do anything to try to find out. 15:57.768 --> 16:06.822 [SPEAKER_00]: For example, President Eisenhower's U.S. intelligence board provided oversight of CIA operations on behalf of the White House. 16:06.842 --> 16:19.020 [SPEAKER_00]: In 1960, Angleton ignored a request from Eisenhower's U.S. intelligence board that all information regarding Demona be transmitted expeditiously. 16:19.000 --> 16:35.777 [SPEAKER_00]: Moreover, according to New York Times foreign correspondent Tad Zulk, sources close to Angleton said that he, quote, had indeed secretly aided Israel with technical nuclear information during the late 1950s. 16:35.757 --> 16:42.770 [SPEAKER_00]: During Angleton's now declassified church committee testimony, he was asked about this exact issue. 16:42.830 --> 16:58.660 [SPEAKER_00]: He denied providing nuclear technical support to the Israelis, but when he was asked about whether he was aware of Israeli efforts in the United States to acquire nuclear technology, Angleton responded that, quote, 16:58.640 --> 17:06.272 [SPEAKER_00]: There have been many efforts by many countries to acquire technical knowledge in this country, and that doesn't exclude the Israelis. 17:06.833 --> 17:12.242 [SPEAKER_00]: When pressed on the question, Angleton said, quote, do I have to respond to that? 17:12.282 --> 17:18.792 [SPEAKER_00]: The committee then went off the record, leaving Angleton's answer to that question a mystery. 17:19.767 --> 17:30.964 [SPEAKER_00]: Angleton's failure to stop Israel from becoming a nuclear power isn't the only reason that his critics believe his loyalty to the United States was in question. 17:31.786 --> 17:45.707 [SPEAKER_00]: In October of 1956, there were rumors of war between Israel and Egypt, which led to an emergency meeting called by Robert Amory, head of the CIA's Directorate of Intelligence. 17:45.687 --> 17:52.616 [SPEAKER_00]: On October 26th, Amory presented evidence that Israel was mobilizing to attack Egypt. 17:53.117 --> 18:07.496 [SPEAKER_00]: Angleton told Amory that this was not true, because he was just with his Israeli friends the night before, and they told him that Israel was merely carrying out protective measures against the Jordanians. 18:08.156 --> 18:11.661 [SPEAKER_00]: According to reporters Andrew and Leslie Cockburn, 18:11.641 --> 18:24.475 [SPEAKER_00]: a frustrated Amory then said, quote, the taxpayer lays out $16,000 a year to me as your deputy director for me to give you the best intelligence available. 18:24.856 --> 18:31.283 [SPEAKER_00]: Either you believe me or you believe this co-opted Israeli agent here, pointing to Angleton. 18:31.843 --> 18:40.753 [SPEAKER_00]: Three days after this meeting where Angleton said 18:41.594 --> 18:49.125 [SPEAKER_00]: 1956 wasn't the only time Angleton assisted the Israeli's war plans, wittingly or not. 18:49.806 --> 19:01.142 [SPEAKER_00]: According to what an unnamed national security agency official told the cockburns, quote, Jim Angleton and the Israelis spent a year cooking up the 67 war. 19:01.683 --> 19:06.910 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a CIA operation designed to get Egyptian President NASA. 19:07.109 --> 19:19.905 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the most notable incidents during the period of what came to be known as the Six Day War was the sinking of the USS Liberty by Israeli fighter jets and torpedo boats. 19:20.486 --> 19:30.759 [SPEAKER_00]: The American and Israeli governments both concluded that the attack which resulted in 34 dead American servicemen was an accident. 19:30.779 --> 19:31.800 [SPEAKER_00]: However, 19:31.780 --> 19:45.757 [SPEAKER_00]: Critics, including the USS Liberty Veterans Association, numerous historians, and former Secretary of State Dean Rusk, were not persuaded that the attack on the liberty was an accident. 19:46.078 --> 19:59.374 [SPEAKER_00]: Arguing that the assault on the USS Liberty was instead a false flag attack that was intended to look like it came from Egypt, with the goal of drawing the US into the war. 19:59.810 --> 20:09.365 [SPEAKER_00]: If the argument against Angleton is that he was extremely loyal to Israel, even the Israelis seemed to agree with that sentiment. 20:09.826 --> 20:18.719 [SPEAKER_00]: Mir Amit, the head of Masad, starting in 1963, said quote, Angleton was an extraordinary asset for us. 20:19.100 --> 20:22.085 [SPEAKER_00]: We could not have found ourselves a better advocate. 20:22.405 --> 20:24.889 [SPEAKER_00]: He was the biggest Zionist of the lot. 20:24.869 --> 20:45.898 [SPEAKER_00]: The Israelis demonstrated their appreciation for Angleton's support, they threw a 50th birthday party for him in Israel, and when Angleton died in 1987, a special ceremony was attended by five former heads of Israeli intelligence agencies and three former military intelligence chiefs. 20:45.878 --> 20:53.539 [SPEAKER_00]: The Israeli's created a monument for Angleton behind the King David Hotel, not far from the walls of the old city. 20:53.579 --> 21:01.862 [SPEAKER_00]: That monument, which is still there today, says quote, In memory of a dear friend, James Angleton. 21:03.142 --> 21:12.339 [SPEAKER_00]: In 2025, previously redacted documents were released that shed light on Angleton's relationship with the Israeli government. 21:12.760 --> 21:18.130 [SPEAKER_00]: There were two subplots that jumped out to me with regard to these new documents. 21:18.312 --> 21:36.439 [SPEAKER_00]: First, we now know that James Angleton took credit for securing the release of several Zionist terrorists who were affiliated with the radical Irgonne paramilitary, which had broken away from the 21:36.419 --> 21:57.667 [SPEAKER_00]: The Ergun was best known as being behind the bombing of the British administrative headquarters for mandatory Palestine in 1946, and the dear Yasin Massacre committed along with radical group Lehigh that killed 107 Palestinian villagers including children in 1948. 21:57.767 --> 22:06.358 [SPEAKER_00]: The leader of the Ergun was Manachim Begin, who would go on to become the prime minister of Israel. 22:06.338 --> 22:12.208 [SPEAKER_00]: In October of 1946, the Ergun bombed the British Embassy in Rome. 22:12.589 --> 22:18.919 [SPEAKER_00]: The Ergun members involved in that bombing were being held in Italy awaiting extradition to Britain. 22:19.500 --> 22:23.487 [SPEAKER_00]: According to Anglton's declassified church committee testimony, 22:23.467 --> 22:28.274 [SPEAKER_00]: He ensured that the Ergun terrorists never faced justice. 22:28.854 --> 22:38.467 [SPEAKER_00]: Angleton said, quote, We had the members of the group, and then we had the dilemma again as to whether we turned them over to the British authorities and so on. 22:38.788 --> 22:46.318 [SPEAKER_00]: And we were in a position to make the decision one way or the other, and eventually we came down on the side of releasing them. 22:46.535 --> 22:57.028 [SPEAKER_00]: The second major revelation from the 2025 Document declassification also dealt with Angleton's now unredacted church committee testimony. 22:57.588 --> 23:08.862 [SPEAKER_00]: Angleton said that he oversaw a spy ring involving Jewish emigres and Israeli operatives without any congressional or CIA oversight. 23:09.303 --> 23:15.310 [SPEAKER_00]: He said that he 23:15.290 --> 23:28.378 [SPEAKER_00]: Angleton sent these men to Israel as spies, and later, six more people, all of whom were quote, put through some months of training outside of the structure of the CIA. 23:29.140 --> 23:34.952 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the spies in this off-the-books network run by Angleton was Rubin Efron. 23:34.932 --> 23:48.587 [SPEAKER_00]: who Angleton put in charge of running the HT-Linguoprogram where Efron personally reviewed the correspondence between Lee Harvey Oswald and his family when Oswald was in the Soviet Union. 23:49.411 --> 23:56.004 [SPEAKER_00]: So how does all this talk about Angleton and Israel relate to the JFK assassination? 23:56.044 --> 24:11.335 [SPEAKER_00]: One potentially suspicious anecdote involving Angleton is the story of his visit to former Prime Minister David Ben Gurian's house just after Ben Gurian resigned in the summer of 1963. 24:11.315 --> 24:24.691 [SPEAKER_00]: The story comes from Ephraim Halavi, the massage liaison officer to the CIA station in Tel Aviv in the early 1960s who escorted Angleton everywhere he went in Israel. 24:25.052 --> 24:33.722 [SPEAKER_00]: Halavi said that after Ben Gurian left office, quote, Angleton went down to Ben Gurian's home in the Naghev desert to meet him. 24:34.183 --> 24:37.407 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't attend those meetings, those were just the two of them. 24:37.787 --> 24:39.870 [SPEAKER_00]: He had business to 24:39.850 --> 24:50.723 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, if your theory is that Ben Gurion was the mastermind and Angleton was the one executing the plan, this meeting seems to provide confirmation. 24:51.164 --> 24:57.191 [SPEAKER_00]: But then again, it's also true that Angleton was close friends with Ben Gurion for many years. 24:57.792 --> 25:01.536 [SPEAKER_00]: So this visit could just be an old friend checking in. 25:01.596 --> 25:09.486 [SPEAKER_00]: The part about having business to transact sounds nefarious, but the truth is 25:09.466 --> 25:14.254 [SPEAKER_00]: So was James Angleton closer than he should have been to Israel? 25:14.915 --> 25:16.298 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, probably. 25:16.679 --> 25:27.898 [SPEAKER_00]: But as an unnamed friend of Angleton from the CIA told the cockburns, quote, you have to understand Jim's central dominating obsession was communism. 25:28.419 --> 25:33.668 [SPEAKER_00]: Something that for him was the essence of absolute and profound evil. 25:33.648 --> 25:41.664 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, he liked Israel, but he was not a co-optid Israeli agent as some people in Washington used to call him. 25:41.684 --> 25:55.150 [SPEAKER_00]: According to the most vocal proponents of the idea that Israel was behind the JFK assassination, one of the keys to Israel's involvement was its relationship with James Angleton. 25:55.130 --> 26:03.562 [SPEAKER_00]: As students of the JFK assassination are well aware, Angleton appears to be the one controlling Oswald's file at the CIA. 26:04.444 --> 26:21.188 [SPEAKER_00]: For author, Laurence Guyano, that control of Oswald's file, plus Angleton's very close and unsupervised relationship with Israel, equals Israeli involvement due to Israel exerting influence on Angleton. 26:21.168 --> 26:29.372 [SPEAKER_00]: Guyano, without any supporting evidence, goes so far as to say that the Mossad controlled Angleton. 26:29.453 --> 26:45.854 [SPEAKER_00]: Similarly, Michael Collins Piper, who wrote the most extensive volume, espousing the theory that Israel was the primary culprit in the JFK assassination, also relies to some extent on James Angleton's close relationship with Israel. 26:46.315 --> 26:58.971 [SPEAKER_00]: However, unlike Guyano, Piper does not argue that Israel controlled Angleton. 26:58.951 --> 27:01.722 [SPEAKER_00]: No control was necessary. 27:02.630 --> 27:14.465 [SPEAKER_00]: Next time on Solving JFK, we continue our exploration of whether Israel had the means and opportunity to plan and execute the Kennedy assassination. 27:14.825 --> 27:30.004 [SPEAKER_00]: This time, turning our attention to the theory set forth by Michael Collins Piper, which includes 27:31.402 --> 27:42.418 [SPEAKER_00]: If you heard anything that you believe is out of context, or if you have additional information to offer, you can let us know at solving JFK podcast at gmail.com. 27:42.979 --> 27:47.245 [SPEAKER_00]: Please provide citations to the record for any fact that you're 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