WEBVTT 00:00.031 --> 00:04.558 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey everybody, it's Bree Baggle with your Only Vans Break App. 00:04.578 --> 00:09.205 [SPEAKER_01]: Susan Gibson and I recently became friends, although I've known of her, I've been a fan for a very long time. 00:09.946 --> 00:12.890 [SPEAKER_01]: None of course for writing White Up and Spaces, cut by the chicks. 00:13.311 --> 00:18.799 [SPEAKER_02]: She's still down to earth and honest and real about what it's like to be a full-time songwriter and artist. 00:18.779 --> 00:28.256 [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, that song was named the Country Music Association Award single of the year in 1999 and was co-written with her band The Groupies, which Susan was a lead singer for. 00:28.316 --> 00:36.612 [SPEAKER_02]: She's also part of the amazing 5-piece group Red River songwriters, which also includes Walt Wilkins, Kelly McWee, Josh Grider, and Drew Kennedy. 00:37.173 --> 00:41.260 [SPEAKER_02]: If you ever get the chance to see all them together, it's nothing short of magic. 00:41.240 --> 00:53.374 [SPEAKER_02]: She plays a few songs live at this very special taping of only vans at the 40th anniversary of music fest in Simbo, Colorado, and is the first episode ever where I have to run to another show and leave her to finish it solo. 00:54.095 --> 00:54.655 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry Susan. 00:55.216 --> 00:59.101 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the poet that she is, she tells epic stories and sing some really mind-blowing tunes. 00:59.561 --> 01:04.887 [SPEAKER_02]: Check out all of her solo records and thank you Susan, my dog loving compadre for joining me on this. 01:05.248 --> 01:07.230 [SPEAKER_02]: Enjoy! 01:11.294 --> 01:16.364 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, everything I do, I second guest, and I remember telling Willy Braun, man, I just made this record of that. 01:16.384 --> 01:18.147 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's great, but I don't know. 01:18.207 --> 01:21.413 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just second guessing everything, and he goes, welcome to the rest of your life. 01:21.654 --> 01:22.856 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:22.876 --> 01:24.639 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh my god, this is something I'll do now. 01:24.700 --> 01:25.261 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:25.481 --> 01:26.744 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's interesting, that you. 01:27.104 --> 01:27.745 [SPEAKER_02]: And I love that. 01:27.826 --> 01:30.270 [SPEAKER_02]: And I want to, maybe that's my 20, 26. 01:30.411 --> 01:31.733 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a font, no, with. 01:31.898 --> 01:33.100 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm writing again. 01:33.460 --> 01:36.225 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and just take the pressure off yourself. 01:36.285 --> 01:36.545 [SPEAKER_04]: Right. 01:36.926 --> 01:40.391 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, there's because everybody else can put that on you. 01:40.972 --> 01:53.552 [SPEAKER_00]: And you can let them, but you don't have to do that to yourself. 02:05.159 --> 02:08.285 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're here thinking that this is only fans, you are in the wrong room. 02:08.546 --> 02:09.407 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm super sorry. 02:09.447 --> 02:17.784 [SPEAKER_02]: This is my podcast, I'm Bree Bagwell, and shout out to music fest, John Dixon for wanting to film this live. 02:18.044 --> 02:22.493 [SPEAKER_02]: Here, it was a really cool to get a call from him. 02:22.473 --> 02:28.206 [SPEAKER_02]: a little terrifying like, what did I do at music festival when I was drinking too much altitude beer? 02:28.788 --> 02:34.200 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but he said, I'd love to have your podcast live at Steamboat and I thought that was really cool. 02:34.281 --> 02:37.849 [SPEAKER_02]: This podcast is one of the joys of my life and 02:37.829 --> 02:42.934 [SPEAKER_02]: My producer Kyle over there, he said, I'll do all the work if you just do the talking and get the guests. 02:43.315 --> 02:46.578 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, we've been just really fortunate last year. 02:46.618 --> 02:51.223 [SPEAKER_02]: We had the most amazing guests and more amazing guests coming this year. 02:51.283 --> 02:54.427 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, guests, I can't even believe have reached out and wanted to be on the podcast. 02:54.447 --> 02:59.011 [SPEAKER_02]: So, and I just got a verbal confirmation from Jason Eady that he will be on my podcast over there. 02:59.031 --> 03:04.377 [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I was like, I'll come to you, anyway. 03:04.357 --> 03:20.034 [SPEAKER_02]: What a life I get to live, talking music and songs, and the next guest is just one of my favorite songwriters that I just love so much, and we finally got to play a show together and get to know each other a little better this last year. 03:20.054 --> 03:23.197 [SPEAKER_02]: And I told my mom, I'm like, I gotta go. 03:23.217 --> 03:28.583 [SPEAKER_02]: I just freaking hugged Susie Bogus at the elevator, and now Susie Gibson is on my podcast. 03:28.643 --> 03:32.507 [SPEAKER_02]: So, Susie Gibson, everybody, I'm too busy. 03:32.487 --> 03:33.840 [SPEAKER_02]: Can't really talk right now. 03:33.860 --> 03:36.304 [SPEAKER_02]: I gotta go talk to Susan Gibson, so. 03:37.145 --> 03:38.767 [SPEAKER_02]: Hi, friends. 03:39.007 --> 03:45.615 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh, I'm here to say some inappropriate thing for you. 03:45.635 --> 03:46.756 [SPEAKER_02]: Hi, she's cheers. 03:46.776 --> 03:53.704 [SPEAKER_02]: This is so funny because yesterday I had Shelby Stone and her shirt said, tell your dad I said hi. 03:54.245 --> 03:56.247 [SPEAKER_02]: And yours says, tell your dog I said hi. 03:56.287 --> 03:58.871 [SPEAKER_02]: OK, this, that wasn't on purpose, was it? 03:59.311 --> 03:59.491 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 03:59.772 --> 04:01.393 [SPEAKER_03]: OK. Where are your dogs? 04:01.694 --> 04:02.335 [SPEAKER_03]: Who's watching a pup? 04:02.955 --> 04:05.278 [SPEAKER_03]: My friend Jennifer is watching Pipsqueek. 04:05.258 --> 04:05.859 [SPEAKER_03]: Dang. 04:06.320 --> 04:15.433 [SPEAKER_04]: She called me just about an hour ago and said, Pip won't quit bark and there's a raccoon crawled up by a tree out here. 04:15.793 --> 04:19.979 [SPEAKER_04]: And I know that raccoons are supposed to be nighttime things and if you see him in the day, that could be trouble. 04:20.801 --> 04:27.250 [SPEAKER_04]: And so she was like, I was like, well, get Pip squeaking the house and then 04:27.230 --> 04:41.290 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, get to get to look either some work gloves right by the door and there's a stick and arms, you know, arms and legs covered and I was like Try to keep your eye on what like where is it going and I wanted to die under my house. 04:41.438 --> 04:48.269 [SPEAKER_04]: And then she texted me back a few minutes later and said, I called 911 and it was good for Raccoon. 04:48.770 --> 04:49.651 [SPEAKER_04]: Uh-huh, for Raccoon. 04:50.072 --> 04:52.736 [SPEAKER_02]: So, that's not exactly their purpose of 911. 04:52.816 --> 04:55.400 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think, maybe it is, but you know what, funny. 04:55.441 --> 05:00.088 [SPEAKER_04]: You're gonna end up on one of those shows that are like, here's some of the things we've got 911 calls for later. 05:00.743 --> 05:01.304 [SPEAKER_02]: I love it. 05:01.524 --> 05:22.593 [SPEAKER_02]: Paul, Paul, I don't know if he's in here yet, but my boyfriend kicked, he kicked a raccoon one time because it ran out and he kicked it and turns out I was a baby raccoon and then the mom raccoon ran out from the bushes and bit him in the leg and he had to get like seven rabies, shots and his shins and paid $10,000 because he kicked a raccoon. 05:23.013 --> 05:27.139 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was my favorite sentence that I think he's ever said because he was like, 05:27.119 --> 05:28.262 [SPEAKER_02]: I know those raccoons. 05:28.443 --> 05:29.526 [SPEAKER_02]: I know they didn't have rabies. 05:29.546 --> 05:32.333 [SPEAKER_02]: They were just being he was being a protected but he had it. 05:32.353 --> 05:36.104 [SPEAKER_02]: You have to go do it because the other option is like a slow terrible death. 05:36.244 --> 05:38.911 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so tell her not to kick their raccoon. 05:39.112 --> 05:41.398 [SPEAKER_02]: I did not recommend it. 05:41.750 --> 05:50.627 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you're a dog lover like me and I knew we would be friends immediately when you brought your dog in your van and I was like, I have my dog in my van too. 05:50.647 --> 05:51.669 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you still live in Wrimmerly? 05:51.850 --> 05:52.110 [SPEAKER_02]: I do. 05:53.433 --> 05:53.794 [SPEAKER_02]: I do. 05:53.814 --> 05:55.517 [SPEAKER_02]: You know we're so close to one another. 05:55.757 --> 05:56.759 [SPEAKER_04]: You're in New Bronfels. 05:56.779 --> 05:57.521 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah. 05:57.541 --> 05:58.122 [SPEAKER_02]: We're like. 05:58.928 --> 06:03.922 [SPEAKER_02]: 30 minutes away, we ain't ever written no song, we ain't ever had no doggy play date. 06:04.002 --> 06:11.683 [SPEAKER_04]: No, you have some sort of couple therapy dinners at your house every once in a while, but I don't qualify for those. 06:12.084 --> 06:13.006 [SPEAKER_04]: You can make therapy. 06:13.447 --> 06:15.132 [SPEAKER_04]: Because therapy would be a good idea, but. 06:15.382 --> 06:31.435 [SPEAKER_02]: We do a music couple's therapy, we call it, it's Josh Fatter, Drew Kennedy, and their wives and Johnny Chops from Randy Rogers-Bannon, and Andy and Rachel Lloyd-Brankeen, but you do not have to be, you can be music couple's plus one. 06:31.455 --> 06:32.698 [SPEAKER_02]: I could be a plus one. 06:32.678 --> 06:38.324 [SPEAKER_02]: We love to have you and all we do is get together and open the event about the music business. 06:38.644 --> 06:40.986 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, well, I have something to say like that. 06:41.006 --> 06:42.248 [SPEAKER_02]: Please do you. 06:42.268 --> 06:42.788 [SPEAKER_02]: I know. 06:42.808 --> 06:45.491 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't want to do too much of a deep dive on you and us. 06:45.871 --> 06:47.153 [SPEAKER_02]: I just was like, this is my friend. 06:47.173 --> 06:47.994 [SPEAKER_02]: We're just going to talk. 06:48.734 --> 06:53.279 [SPEAKER_02]: But I do want to talk to you about just so many music business things. 06:53.840 --> 06:57.223 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I will say, can I just start out by a little bit of gushing. 06:57.343 --> 06:59.565 [SPEAKER_02]: Imagine airlines when that song came out. 06:59.605 --> 07:01.167 [SPEAKER_02]: Is one of my favorite. 07:01.147 --> 07:02.309 [SPEAKER_02]: song. 07:02.349 --> 07:02.409 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh. 07:03.110 --> 07:09.578 [SPEAKER_02]: And when you talk about, was that a true story about leaving some sort of deal unsigned? 07:10.499 --> 07:10.720 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 07:10.740 --> 07:12.662 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you do my talking about that? 07:13.063 --> 07:23.136 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess I got it to probably tell y'all what this song is about, but you've probably heard it, but if you're listening and you haven't heard it, the writing on that song, it's just, I think it's a perfectly written song. 07:23.376 --> 07:30.225 [SPEAKER_02]: And anyway, but all that you talk now, it's my podcast, but at some times I like listen back and I'm like, 07:30.205 --> 07:40.260 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, so the song is one that I wrote with Janapocop, which I don't know if you ever crossed paths with her, but she worked with me for a long time. 07:40.300 --> 07:47.370 [SPEAKER_04]: She started as a merch girl, and she's just super smart, very resourceful. 07:47.350 --> 07:50.577 [SPEAKER_04]: just kept getting promoted and promoted. 07:50.657 --> 07:58.956 [SPEAKER_04]: I used that term lightly because she ended up she was doing my booking and handling social media stuff and she was just really capable. 07:59.778 --> 08:01.782 [SPEAKER_04]: She's a great writer and 08:02.217 --> 08:07.905 [SPEAKER_04]: The deal that we were, there's a line in there that said, went to New York City on it, no, that's the first line. 08:09.087 --> 08:18.701 [SPEAKER_04]: Made an appointment with the business suit, took the underground, took the business route, scraping the sky and an elevator card, stuck my foot in the door, because the door was a jar. 08:19.122 --> 08:23.448 [SPEAKER_04]: Contract rail like it was war and peace, and the print was written fine. 08:23.488 --> 08:28.596 [SPEAKER_04]: He wouldn't give me a hand shake till I signed on the dotted line. 08:28.576 --> 08:38.689 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the verse, and the reference there is when the chicks did wide open spaces. 08:38.809 --> 08:44.877 [SPEAKER_04]: I was really hoping to wait longer in the hot cast for two minutes in my life. 08:44.897 --> 08:52.947 [SPEAKER_04]: But right after they did that song, I was making trips to Nashville and couldn't 08:53.197 --> 08:57.926 [SPEAKER_04]: They, nobody would want to sign a deal that did not include that song. 08:58.027 --> 09:01.213 [SPEAKER_04]: And that song had already done what that song was going to do. 09:01.233 --> 09:02.516 [SPEAKER_04]: Like it already made it to the chicks. 09:02.596 --> 09:04.880 [SPEAKER_04]: It was kind of this one that was funding our band. 09:05.702 --> 09:11.534 [SPEAKER_04]: And so, and I was really in my band and loved being in that band. 09:11.634 --> 09:13.197 [SPEAKER_04]: It was the band called The Groupies. 09:13.177 --> 09:34.324 [SPEAKER_04]: And so, either it was either separate myself from the band and take the business approach in Nashville and get a deal and give up wide open spaces, which was going to be the safety net for our band financially, or not. 09:34.304 --> 10:02.488 [SPEAKER_04]: get it, not do any of it, and so there may have been some middle ground there, but I could not see a middle way of trying to grow my solo career as a writer and not include the band in on that, because I just didn't know how to do that, and so the sign on the dotted line was 10:03.734 --> 10:08.302 [SPEAKER_04]: like in hindsight, like I probably should have signed on the dotted line. 10:09.684 --> 10:15.875 [SPEAKER_04]: But at the time, it was, you know, we were a pretty tight cohesive group, and I just didn't want to. 10:15.895 --> 10:28.898 [SPEAKER_04]: I was too afraid, actually, if you want to be real about it, it was very scary to think of doing anything on my own when you have the security and the safety and the insulation of being in a group like that. 10:29.317 --> 10:35.463 [SPEAKER_02]: Because, I mean, what I'm assuming that you're saying is that you owned all the publishing for white open spaces, right? 10:35.483 --> 10:37.105 [SPEAKER_02]: Like nobody else owned that publishing. 10:37.365 --> 10:38.126 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, our band. 10:38.146 --> 10:42.150 [SPEAKER_02]: Your band owned the publishing, and then do they still own the publishing? 10:42.971 --> 10:43.612 [SPEAKER_02]: That's incredible. 10:43.672 --> 10:58.547 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you, you know, publishing deals, they can look all different kinds of ways, but so another thing that I'm also assuming is that when I signed a publishing deal with Sony, they bought all of my schedule A, they call it. 10:58.527 --> 11:05.237 [SPEAKER_02]: then, you know, owned co-publishing on so that that would mean that they would take half the money or all the money until. 11:06.199 --> 11:11.347 [SPEAKER_02]: So I, I would Sony, I think about $86,000 by the time my publishing dough is done. 11:11.387 --> 11:18.277 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think I only owe them like $42,000 now, but they own all of my stuff until 2015. 11:19.359 --> 11:23.826 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you go stream, if you want to turn your phone, you can turn your phone down right now and just stream. 11:23.806 --> 11:25.708 [SPEAKER_02]: free bag won't but only things after 2,000. 11:25.749 --> 11:28.212 [SPEAKER_02]: I was three years of smoking. 11:28.572 --> 11:31.696 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't get any of that money until I pay them back for 2,000 dollars. 11:32.077 --> 11:39.887 [SPEAKER_02]: That is really interesting because I never thought about if someone wants your catalog then they of course that's a big appeal for them to take. 11:40.468 --> 11:50.100 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, it was unreasonable to think that they would want to say, okay, let's start, you know, why don't was basis was recorded in 1997. 11:50.468 --> 11:51.750 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it in 1997? 11:51.970 --> 11:52.631 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 11:53.673 --> 11:54.975 [SPEAKER_04]: Late 1900s people. 11:56.457 --> 12:12.763 [SPEAKER_04]: And so, you know, to say, well, if you want to publish and deal, we'll start from, you can have everything except for that one, because that's facilitating our band to be able to make records and go on tours and stuff like that. 12:12.743 --> 12:17.849 [SPEAKER_04]: And they would be like, well, why would we, why would we want all of these unknowns? 12:17.909 --> 12:19.251 [SPEAKER_04]: We really want that one. 12:19.572 --> 12:24.478 [SPEAKER_04]: And I equated it to, and I was, you know, there was a, I have a lot. 12:24.598 --> 12:28.543 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know that we'll get to everything that we could possibly talk about today. 12:28.603 --> 12:39.156 [SPEAKER_04]: But there was a lot of, you know, angst about that and, and ignorance and naivety that I learned everything kind of the hard way. 12:39.136 --> 12:52.055 [SPEAKER_04]: And why would anybody sign a deal and give me a salary when they had this big, recoupable thing sitting there, but they weren't allowed to have it. 12:52.135 --> 12:52.896 [SPEAKER_04]: So I get it. 12:53.037 --> 12:54.839 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just they're in the business. 12:55.380 --> 12:56.342 [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, have a deal. 12:56.402 --> 12:57.403 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have a publishing deal now? 12:57.563 --> 12:59.006 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't have you ever have a publishing deal. 12:59.026 --> 13:00.247 [SPEAKER_04]: You've never had a publishing deal. 13:00.628 --> 13:00.688 [UNKNOWN]: No. 13:01.293 --> 13:02.295 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow. 13:03.417 --> 13:04.479 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 13:04.499 --> 13:05.781 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you want a publishing deal? 13:06.422 --> 13:07.364 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I don't know. 13:07.384 --> 13:08.226 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 13:08.266 --> 13:08.787 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. 13:09.388 --> 13:09.728 [SPEAKER_03]: Me too. 13:09.909 --> 13:10.350 [SPEAKER_02]: Me too. 13:10.670 --> 13:11.412 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel that way too. 13:11.672 --> 13:11.953 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 13:11.973 --> 13:17.282 [SPEAKER_02]: Because when you get it, you get a salary, which, like, you know, I took kind of a lot of time off in November. 13:17.302 --> 13:18.745 [SPEAKER_02]: And... 13:18.725 --> 13:23.254 [SPEAKER_02]: thinking, wow, this is really beautiful to take some time off and catch my breath and get some sleep. 13:23.294 --> 13:34.337 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I was like, I haven't made money in 22 days like it's terrifying so if you can get a salary that is so enticing, they're not really offering publishing deals the way that they... 13:34.317 --> 13:39.087 [SPEAKER_02]: used to, but it would be nice to get that paycheck every other Friday. 13:39.167 --> 13:45.620 [SPEAKER_02]: I did it for three years and it was really lovely, but it's not really a paycheck if they need it back is it, right? 13:45.640 --> 13:45.880 [SPEAKER_04]: Right. 13:45.900 --> 13:48.365 [SPEAKER_04]: And why open spaces has given me a salary? 13:48.686 --> 13:49.227 [SPEAKER_04]: Of course. 13:49.688 --> 13:50.209 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean? 13:50.349 --> 13:54.638 [SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't come every Friday, but it's still paying pretty good. 13:54.618 --> 14:05.377 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, that's incredible to have a song with that sort of longevity and now the chicks with the resurgence and you know, I'm sure that that's, um, do they do be in my life with that? 14:05.417 --> 14:06.038 [SPEAKER_02]: Always wonder. 14:06.058 --> 14:07.321 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you get to know what? 14:07.461 --> 14:12.329 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't, I assume so because when they go on to or the checks are bigger for sure. 14:12.390 --> 14:12.730 [SPEAKER_04]: Right. 14:12.850 --> 14:13.251 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 14:14.665 --> 14:15.807 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm just kidding. 14:15.827 --> 14:16.167 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just kidding. 14:16.227 --> 14:17.008 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you later. 14:17.849 --> 14:21.735 [SPEAKER_02]: If I had one champagne in me, I would have been like, let me talk about that first. 14:21.775 --> 14:24.378 [SPEAKER_02]: Time you opened the mailbox, did you pass out? 14:24.399 --> 14:25.600 [SPEAKER_02]: How many commas? 14:26.361 --> 14:27.423 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's so great. 14:27.663 --> 14:28.184 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh. 14:28.304 --> 14:28.544 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 14:28.564 --> 14:29.486 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I will say this. 14:29.926 --> 14:37.136 [SPEAKER_04]: My first check that was, I found the paycheck stub for my first ever BMI check. 14:37.837 --> 14:41.282 [SPEAKER_04]: And it was like $58 or something. 14:41.903 --> 14:43.525 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 14:43.505 --> 14:45.568 [SPEAKER_04]: you know, the lag of whatever. 14:46.329 --> 15:13.208 [SPEAKER_04]: My first big check that I got was I lived in Amorello behind my sister in a little rent house behind my sister and she's a teacher and so she goes to work every day at seven o'clock in the morning and gets home at five o'clock at night dealing with teenagers and I opened up a check that I got out of her mailbox and it was for $163,000 15:14.588 --> 15:21.955 [SPEAKER_04]: was I was still cleaning the credit union on weekends to make extra money while I was in the band. 15:22.196 --> 15:25.319 [SPEAKER_04]: And I worked at this credit union and we do weekend stuff. 15:26.019 --> 15:29.663 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I was like, I think I'm not going to clean the credit union this weekend. 15:30.023 --> 15:31.144 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 15:31.164 --> 15:33.247 [SPEAKER_04]: I think I'm going to see if I can find someone else for that. 15:34.308 --> 15:38.892 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, and I watched my sister pull out of the driveway knowing that she was going to work her ass off. 15:39.933 --> 15:42.756 [SPEAKER_04]: And I just, 15:43.445 --> 15:45.027 [SPEAKER_04]: landed in it, you know? 15:45.749 --> 15:47.772 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, because you feel really deserve it. 15:47.792 --> 15:48.553 [SPEAKER_02]: Is there sister here? 15:49.274 --> 15:49.955 [SPEAKER_04]: No, she's not. 15:50.035 --> 15:50.857 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought you pointed. 15:51.578 --> 15:53.942 [SPEAKER_02]: She's, yeah. 15:53.982 --> 15:55.905 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, those are my neighbors. 15:56.085 --> 15:57.026 [SPEAKER_04]: These are my neighbors. 15:57.848 --> 16:00.231 [SPEAKER_04]: I've known him as long as I've known anybody. 16:00.432 --> 16:01.594 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you can't do anything wrong. 16:01.654 --> 16:04.258 [SPEAKER_02]: Last night, I kept looking like this thinking I was talking to Kyle. 16:04.278 --> 16:06.281 [SPEAKER_02]: And at the end of the podcast, I realized it was a pirate. 16:06.361 --> 16:07.543 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's a statue. 16:07.563 --> 16:10.127 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, right in Kyle, because the lights are kind of bright. 16:10.107 --> 16:12.770 [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's like, I think breakback will's lost us. 16:12.790 --> 16:16.515 [SPEAKER_02]: She's talking to the pirate in the corner, that's awesome. 16:16.535 --> 16:18.858 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, how did you get hooked up with? 16:19.358 --> 16:29.431 [SPEAKER_02]: If you haven't seen the Red River songwriters show, you're truly missing out is four of the greatest singer songwriters that exists in our sphere, in my opinion. 16:29.491 --> 16:33.516 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, it's Susan Gibson, Kaley. 16:33.496 --> 16:37.201 [SPEAKER_02]: And Drew and Josh, and it's just... And Walt. 16:37.421 --> 16:38.282 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and Walt. 16:38.302 --> 16:38.903 [SPEAKER_04]: There's five of us. 16:38.943 --> 16:43.570 [SPEAKER_04]: When I said four, I'm like, I wonder who's, who is not one of the greatest songwriters in our spirit? 16:43.610 --> 16:45.572 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's four of the greatest in my life. 16:45.592 --> 16:48.716 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, you guys decide who that one is. 16:48.737 --> 16:50.419 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why I said four. 16:50.439 --> 16:51.801 [SPEAKER_02]: I knew that there was five. 16:52.462 --> 16:53.423 [SPEAKER_02]: And Walt Wilkins. 16:53.703 --> 16:59.431 [SPEAKER_02]: And you guys are doing, I think this will be out by them, but you got some shows coming up, O'Fourciner. 16:59.711 --> 17:03.216 [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, what a treat. 17:03.196 --> 17:08.723 [SPEAKER_02]: At least whenever I play with you in Josh and Walt, we call Walt our spiritual leader. 17:08.783 --> 17:13.349 [SPEAKER_02]: He's always giving you the advice that you need when you need the most. 17:13.770 --> 17:19.798 [SPEAKER_02]: I just leave feeling so fulfilled and the show that I got to watch of you guys is just unbelievable. 17:19.818 --> 17:26.246 [SPEAKER_02]: I have to imagine that that's something that's really good for your soul too, right? 17:26.306 --> 17:27.828 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, how did you guys even form? 17:27.868 --> 17:29.170 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know this. 17:29.150 --> 17:43.493 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it was Drew's idea, so he's kind of our north star on that stuff, and he was talking with Steve Hagueland, who is the owner of the mother load, where we do the Mexican... 17:43.773 --> 17:51.225 [SPEAKER_04]: In Red River, in Mexico, and they were talking about how, you know, once the holiday season is over, that little town... 17:51.205 --> 18:08.469 [SPEAKER_04]: There's not a lot of things going on people have done traveled for their holiday stuff, and so they were just trying to think of something to do to kind of re-inject some Money into that town and so drew decided well, let's do a music festival, and I believe there was whiskey involved. 18:08.989 --> 18:10.872 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like my dog. 18:11.112 --> 18:11.593 [SPEAKER_02]: No, yeah. 18:11.633 --> 18:13.275 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm misery so much. 18:13.295 --> 18:13.956 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay 18:14.358 --> 18:34.635 [SPEAKER_04]: So it started from there, Jason Edie, we are on a group text with all the Red River songwriters, and I think it was Josh that was cleaning out a garage and he found a cozy that was from the year that Jason Edie was in our group, but it's really fun. 18:34.956 --> 18:36.619 [SPEAKER_04]: That festival will be 18:36.599 --> 18:41.966 [SPEAKER_04]: It is on the 22nd through the 24th and Red River, New Mexico, and we will gig our way up there. 18:41.986 --> 18:46.953 [SPEAKER_04]: We have like three or four gigs to get up there, and then we have a blast in the mountains. 18:47.013 --> 18:48.075 [SPEAKER_04]: It's very small. 18:48.115 --> 18:53.362 [SPEAKER_04]: It's 300 people, I think, fill the festival, because the venues are very small. 18:53.743 --> 19:04.197 [SPEAKER_04]: And so, you're just kind of hanging out for a long weekend in Red River, and we, everybody's sees everybody and we eat together, and I mean, it's just really fun. 19:04.257 --> 19:06.100 [SPEAKER_04]: And that group of people. 19:06.080 --> 19:24.437 [SPEAKER_04]: You could not have better mentorship and friendship as far as, you know, this is kind of a, you know, most of the time we're just a little dandelion seeds out there, you know, by ourselves and I know you play with a band a lot, but, you know, it's a pretty solitary life if you're a solo artist. 19:24.457 --> 19:32.425 [SPEAKER_04]: And so to have that kind of group of family, you know, is really, really powerful. 19:32.506 --> 19:39.277 [SPEAKER_04]: And I look forward to it every year, and it's inspiring because they're drew and Josh right more than anybody that I know. 19:39.337 --> 19:46.389 [SPEAKER_04]: And so you could get together with them every week and they would have new songs to play for you. 19:46.409 --> 19:50.997 [SPEAKER_04]: And that is really, you know, for the longest time, it was really intimidating for me. 19:51.478 --> 19:54.803 [SPEAKER_04]: Because I had a big, long stretch of time where I was just not writing very much. 19:55.324 --> 19:57.568 [SPEAKER_04]: And I would get around those guys and I would be 19:57.548 --> 19:58.569 [SPEAKER_04]: really inspired. 19:58.589 --> 20:25.345 [SPEAKER_04]: It was that same thing that we all feel when we see someone really great is like I want to go home and work as hard as I can on this and then Kyle Hut and said it last night and then I think maybe I should just get a paper route maybe it's time to go get that job at the H&B and just be, you know, just not worry about all that I'm not doing to fulfill my potential, 20:25.561 --> 20:33.853 [SPEAKER_04]: That was immediate, that insecurity that I had was immediately cured by writing more songs, just writing more songs, which was very inspiring. 20:35.115 --> 20:52.800 [SPEAKER_01]: Those guys really kind of inspired that in me. 20:54.215 --> 20:58.481 [SPEAKER_02]: I played it so I did a little Christmas thing and I asked you in Josh and Chris to do it with me. 20:59.222 --> 21:06.212 [SPEAKER_02]: And so we did three shows this last December and on the day the show, Josh and Drew had sat down and wrote a song together. 21:06.252 --> 21:06.713 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 21:06.733 --> 21:10.518 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, oh, I spelled Instagram and got an eyelash off my forehead. 21:10.758 --> 21:13.783 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we were not at the same productivity. 21:14.243 --> 21:18.349 [SPEAKER_02]: And it really didn't inspire me to be like, maybe I should. 21:18.329 --> 21:31.787 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, right more, I have to, I wanted to ask you about that because I unfortunately feel like I have to have some sort of deadline or accountability songwriting group, which I do a lot, and, you know, Josh fires like, I don't need that. 21:31.827 --> 21:41.080 [SPEAKER_02]: I just, right, and I didn't, I wish I had better discipline when it came to that, but if I don't have it, sometimes I'll blink and, you know, a couple months ago, I and I won't write it song and then, 21:41.060 --> 21:46.368 [SPEAKER_02]: Then I see these people, like, can I call myself a songwriter if I'm not actively writing songs? 21:46.408 --> 22:06.578 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like, you know, but there's so much else to do all the time and that's, that's why I think we started this podcast was to have these kinds of conversations to say, you know, you're not alone if you're an artist that you feel, you know, I do feel very lonely sometimes and it is very hard having a band and keeping them busy and doing it, but it's them when I'm 22:06.558 --> 22:21.715 [SPEAKER_02]: Jiving and laughing and grooving with my band and having that's the times that I absolutely live for that's my gasoline You know, so Anyway, I totally feel all that and you do have your guitar sitting there and I just I could talk to you for 85 days, but do you do you want to play a song? 22:21.695 --> 22:22.436 [SPEAKER_04]: I'd love to. 22:22.737 --> 22:22.917 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 22:22.937 --> 22:23.438 [SPEAKER_04]: And you know what? 22:23.458 --> 22:24.039 [SPEAKER_04]: I want to say this. 22:24.320 --> 22:25.001 [SPEAKER_04]: Same with ever. 22:25.021 --> 22:25.863 [SPEAKER_04]: Say it all the thing. 22:25.963 --> 22:44.378 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I had that exact same thing of like I don't know that I can put singer songwriter on my 1099s and my tax forms with I put out a record in 2019 and then I may be have written five songs in 22:44.358 --> 22:45.119 [SPEAKER_04]: four years. 22:45.720 --> 23:08.066 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it was really bad, and it was depressing, and it was weighty, and I hired a songwriting coach, a guy named Darden Smith, and we had a few really good conversations, and then we had that accountability that I think you're talking about, that a publishing deal will do for you, because you've got to turn in songs, don't you? 23:08.086 --> 23:11.850 [SPEAKER_04]: So we were having this conversation, 23:13.332 --> 23:22.448 [SPEAKER_04]: He said, we were talking, and I just had so many stories that I was telling myself about myself. 23:22.613 --> 23:23.735 [SPEAKER_04]: that we're not helping me. 23:24.756 --> 23:52.097 [SPEAKER_04]: And it had to do with wide open spaces and it had to do with the people I love who inspire me and feeling less than and it had to do all, you know, and the fact that I'm not really hungry because I do have this steady income from this song and I get to wave that flag and so if people show up to the shows, you know, sometimes my motivation is not there because if people come to the shows, great, awesome, I made extra money, but if they don't come to the shows, oh well, 23:52.077 --> 23:53.020 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean? 23:53.140 --> 23:58.437 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to not pay my bills because I have this big cushion underneath with that song. 23:59.521 --> 24:05.580 [SPEAKER_04]: And Darden said to me, well Susan, it sounds like you can do whatever you want to do. 24:06.033 --> 24:07.997 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you can do whatever you want to do. 24:08.157 --> 24:14.009 [SPEAKER_04]: And my brain immediately screamed, you have been using that as a reason why you don't have to do anything. 24:14.750 --> 24:20.842 [SPEAKER_04]: You've been using that blessing of that song as the reason why you don't have to promote your gigs. 24:21.403 --> 24:23.267 [SPEAKER_04]: You don't really have to sell another record. 24:23.948 --> 24:25.892 [SPEAKER_04]: You could sell a record or you could not sell a record. 24:25.932 --> 24:27.315 [SPEAKER_04]: It's... 24:27.295 --> 24:33.103 [SPEAKER_04]: it's not going to affect the way you live your life except for your killing yourself as an artist. 24:33.723 --> 24:34.625 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what it's doing. 24:34.665 --> 24:45.259 [SPEAKER_04]: And when I had that, that was really like this, like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz, going from black and white to color of going, you know, wait a minute. 24:46.000 --> 24:52.408 [SPEAKER_04]: And he said things like, when you first started writing songs, were you worried about 24:52.861 --> 25:07.883 [SPEAKER_04]: who was going to like your songs or what position they were going to be on a record or would it be a single or would people clap or like were you thinking about any of this and I was like no, I was just working at a credit end writing songs to this. 25:07.863 --> 25:13.748 [SPEAKER_04]: right, waiting for the phone rings so I could transfer them to the loan officer or whatever, you know what I mean? 25:14.188 --> 25:16.510 [SPEAKER_04]: And I wasn't thinking about any of that stuff. 25:16.530 --> 25:21.575 [SPEAKER_04]: And so what I learned was, I had to fall in love with the process of it. 25:22.075 --> 25:24.237 [SPEAKER_04]: I could not be so attached to the outcome. 25:24.837 --> 25:37.228 [SPEAKER_04]: And I had to fall in love with in those moments where I could be scrolling my phone and I do that a lot, but in those moments that I am also thinking, wait a minute, okay, what is that line? 25:37.816 --> 25:40.079 [SPEAKER_04]: What, how do I resolve that? 25:40.400 --> 25:43.043 [SPEAKER_04]: And where you kind of get in love with it again. 25:43.103 --> 25:45.426 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's not an tired old marriage. 25:45.527 --> 25:49.071 [SPEAKER_04]: Elizabeth Gilbert says, you can't treat it like a tired old marriage. 25:49.091 --> 25:54.419 [SPEAKER_04]: You got to treat it like the illicit affair that you sneak off to to make out within the stairwell. 25:54.439 --> 25:55.460 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that in big magic? 25:55.480 --> 25:56.001 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it is. 25:56.021 --> 25:57.583 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, big magic is like my favorite book. 25:57.603 --> 25:58.705 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a great book. 25:58.725 --> 25:59.065 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 25:59.045 --> 26:01.050 [SPEAKER_02]: Did I just fall more in love with Susan Gibson? 26:01.511 --> 26:04.358 [SPEAKER_02]: I have the same favorite book, but that would also change my life. 26:04.619 --> 26:04.879 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 26:04.899 --> 26:10.152 [SPEAKER_02]: And going back and listening to my first record, which just turned 15 years old, one year. 26:10.688 --> 26:15.012 [SPEAKER_02]: It was that thing of, wow, I was song on there that's five minutes long. 26:15.032 --> 26:16.414 [SPEAKER_02]: I would never do that now. 26:16.454 --> 26:18.816 [SPEAKER_02]: I was so excited, does it sound great? 26:19.076 --> 26:26.063 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but at the time, I was like, listening to the mixes and sobbing in my truck, and I was so excited. 26:26.143 --> 26:31.809 [SPEAKER_02]: And then now everything I do, I second guest, and I remember telling Willy Braun, man, I just made this record of that. 26:31.829 --> 26:33.631 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's great, but I don't know. 26:33.691 --> 26:36.834 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just second guessing everything, and he goes, welcome to the rest of your life. 26:37.194 --> 26:37.995 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 26:37.975 --> 26:40.081 [SPEAKER_02]: Like this is what we all do now. 26:40.101 --> 26:40.703 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 26:40.903 --> 26:41.765 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's interesting. 26:41.886 --> 26:43.230 [SPEAKER_02]: And I love that. 26:43.250 --> 26:45.456 [SPEAKER_02]: And I want to... Maybe that's my 2026. 26:45.476 --> 26:47.040 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a fun, though, with. 26:47.358 --> 26:47.819 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 26:47.839 --> 26:48.559 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm writing again. 26:48.880 --> 26:49.180 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 26:49.761 --> 26:59.112 [SPEAKER_04]: And just take the pressure off yourself, because everybody else can put that on you, and you can let them, but you don't have to do that to yourself. 26:59.272 --> 27:00.494 [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't have to do that. 27:00.514 --> 27:03.457 [SPEAKER_04]: I say that like, I'm this, I'm the old Cron. 27:03.618 --> 27:08.944 [SPEAKER_04]: I am actually the old Cron in this situation, but like, that's something I'm just learning. 27:09.425 --> 27:12.268 [SPEAKER_04]: And whoever I can sell that to, I'm just going to say that, I'm going to say that. 27:12.248 --> 27:27.575 [SPEAKER_04]: that might be helpful, I will tell that too because I can't imagine all the songs that did not get written in that five-year time because of a story I was telling myself about myself, you know. 27:28.336 --> 27:33.225 [SPEAKER_02]: So, it's too early to be crying up in here, but I'm like, oh, that's good. 27:34.046 --> 27:35.168 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, well, um, 27:36.515 --> 27:40.220 [SPEAKER_04]: So I went to my dad was from Northwestern, Montana. 27:40.240 --> 27:45.967 [SPEAKER_04]: And we have a cabin up there that is I call it a one-star yelp review cabin. 27:46.007 --> 27:47.269 [SPEAKER_04]: We don't have indoor plumbing. 27:48.010 --> 27:54.558 [SPEAKER_04]: And so we have an outhouse and we have to haul our water and red buckets into the house from a spring behind the house. 27:55.219 --> 27:56.420 [SPEAKER_04]: So everything gets real simple. 27:56.581 --> 27:58.183 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's today, like today. 27:58.203 --> 28:01.527 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, today, 20-25. 28:01.507 --> 28:03.436 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we are actually six. 28:03.556 --> 28:04.862 [SPEAKER_04]: There are multi million. 28:04.983 --> 28:06.228 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah. 28:06.650 --> 28:07.534 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no. 28:08.037 --> 28:10.501 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, usually I'm way more than one year behind. 28:12.625 --> 28:16.672 [SPEAKER_04]: There are just these mega mansions on either side of us and we bless you. 28:16.692 --> 28:18.415 [SPEAKER_04]: And we are the clampots up there. 28:18.916 --> 28:28.513 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I went up there and wrote songs all summer long and came back with about 35 new songs. 28:28.654 --> 28:32.340 [SPEAKER_04]: And this is one of my favorite ones. 28:32.557 --> 28:45.990 [SPEAKER_04]: When we were grown up there, I spent every summer up there as a kid and so there were me and my sister and then I had three girl cousins that would be up there and then aunt and uncle mom dad grandma. 28:46.130 --> 28:53.317 [SPEAKER_04]: So there's 10 of us up there and my grandma cooked every meal and there were always just tons of dishes. 28:53.377 --> 29:01.365 [SPEAKER_04]: So every every meal we had to haul the water in and heat the water and do all that. 29:01.868 --> 29:17.834 [SPEAKER_04]: And it seemed like such a chore and then as I was up there, the summer, you know, I just had my hands in that hot soapy water and just thinking about all of the, all of the family stuff that I knew because we were standing there to do and dishes and visiting and talking and stuff. 29:18.375 --> 29:20.839 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, so, uh, let's see. 29:35.028 --> 29:41.055 [SPEAKER_04]: You scrape the plates, and I'll stack the cups. 29:41.075 --> 29:45.821 [SPEAKER_04]: Go round and gather all moms, coffee mugs. 29:47.022 --> 29:52.769 [SPEAKER_04]: Wasn't that the stroganoff just delicious? 29:52.789 --> 29:58.896 [SPEAKER_04]: Homemade is the best, but it makes lots of dishes. 29:58.916 --> 30:03.702 [SPEAKER_04]: Time to draw numbers, then roll the dice. 30:04.829 --> 30:33.064 [SPEAKER_04]: High roller washes and low number dries Remember the summer of 79 When Rosha rolled her number every time We played me in that tomb Saying how great thou art Being part of a family Means doing your parts 30:34.613 --> 30:45.197 [SPEAKER_04]: The capital of Washington isn't spoken and could ever use so on a cast iron pan. 30:46.730 --> 30:51.859 [SPEAKER_04]: My grandpa was stern, yeah, she sang the first soprano. 30:52.761 --> 31:01.457 [SPEAKER_04]: With the bridal as white as a Steinway, piano, she didn't throw any words. 31:01.477 --> 31:09.531 [SPEAKER_04]: Two are fond of the songs, but that didn't stop her from humming along. 31:10.777 --> 31:16.946 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you know that's cousin's had kidney disease? 31:16.966 --> 31:38.860 [SPEAKER_04]: And and yes he forbade and cutting down as countries We keep just on the table for humble these wishes And learned all of that while I was doing the dishes We played 20 questions 31:41.219 --> 31:58.418 [SPEAKER_04]: There are family traditions You never outgrow We weren't clear in this life As bombs fell on Japan And you've ever used so On a cast fire pan 32:13.653 --> 32:24.844 [SPEAKER_05]: At the table, ring the bell, the girls will come up from the lay. 32:24.864 --> 32:30.129 [SPEAKER_05]: Sopper is ready, how can you tell? 32:30.149 --> 32:36.095 [SPEAKER_05]: It's the first time the men take a break. 32:36.115 --> 32:42.681 [SPEAKER_04]: Now it's just you and me, and our free e-O-Bones. 32:45.158 --> 32:47.101 [SPEAKER_04]: that the kids are all grown. 32:48.202 --> 32:59.139 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'll wash and you dry, and we'll make our big plants, but we'll never use soap on a cast iron pan. 33:02.644 --> 33:02.804 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh. 33:07.872 --> 33:08.332 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. 33:08.352 --> 33:08.853 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. 33:08.873 --> 33:08.933 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh. 33:08.953 --> 33:09.374 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. 33:09.634 --> 33:10.055 [SPEAKER_03]: I love songs so much. 33:10.075 --> 33:10.896 [SPEAKER_03]: You're amazing for you. 33:11.129 --> 33:12.731 [SPEAKER_03]: You want my sons to see? 33:12.951 --> 33:14.333 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just carried this around. 33:14.413 --> 33:14.774 [SPEAKER_02]: I do. 33:14.834 --> 33:17.538 [SPEAKER_02]: There's gonna be a lot of concealer on this thing. 33:17.878 --> 33:18.980 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought they were even keeping that. 33:19.040 --> 33:19.881 [SPEAKER_02]: That was awesome. 33:20.041 --> 33:23.446 [SPEAKER_02]: What I was, well, I was just thinking, I get really frustrated. 33:23.466 --> 33:26.650 [SPEAKER_04]: I love making a U-Crize so I can laugh. 33:26.770 --> 33:27.231 [SPEAKER_02]: I do. 33:27.311 --> 33:28.152 [SPEAKER_02]: It's my favorite. 33:28.933 --> 33:30.555 [SPEAKER_02]: I think. 33:30.839 --> 33:34.986 [SPEAKER_02]: I was just thinking the other day when I was hearing a song I was shopping somewhere, I can't remember it. 33:35.007 --> 33:37.711 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was just the most generic thing. 33:37.812 --> 33:43.422 [SPEAKER_02]: And what I love so much about what makes songs great is like specificity, right? 33:43.442 --> 33:50.414 [SPEAKER_02]: And that is like, how can you write something so specific about your life that makes me cry, experience none of those things? 33:50.575 --> 33:52.418 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's like so beautiful about songs. 33:52.458 --> 33:52.999 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's... 33:52.979 --> 34:06.979 [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes I get frustrated in the national thing when you're going in and you're trying to write the best song that's also commercial and you can get really lost and just trying when what I think really resonates with people and what's so beautiful is really specific things. 34:07.019 --> 34:09.643 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I feel like you write like that a lot. 34:09.683 --> 34:11.085 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you write very specific. 34:11.686 --> 34:12.848 [SPEAKER_04]: I do write really specific. 34:13.128 --> 34:18.075 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think it's a core principle that I have that 34:18.055 --> 34:35.929 [SPEAKER_04]: It is those tiny details that will absolutely support your big idea and it takes a long time to say, oh gosh, you know, there's so many memories here and there's so much tradition and all this family history and all that kind of stuff, but I can say, 34:35.909 --> 34:44.522 [SPEAKER_04]: The capital of Washington isn't spoken because my grandma would make us, like that line may not mean anything to anybody. 34:44.542 --> 34:51.192 [SPEAKER_04]: It means something to me, and so I can deliver it honestly, but my grandma would make us learn all the states and capitals while we did dishes. 34:51.473 --> 34:57.702 [SPEAKER_04]: And I always thought the capital of Washington was spoken, and it's not, and it's not Seattle, it's Tacoma. 34:57.722 --> 35:00.446 [SPEAKER_04]: And I know that from Washington dishes. 35:01.428 --> 35:01.528 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. 35:01.508 --> 35:04.754 [SPEAKER_02]: I was just picturing my drum camp being like, it's a hundred percent, okay. 35:04.794 --> 35:14.331 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, I made my own, yeah, I'm like, okay, you know, and that was probably back before Google could prove everybody wrong and bring my own other stuff. 35:14.411 --> 35:23.027 [SPEAKER_02]: So what are the plans for more recording, your last record, I mean, your record's all sound great, but I really wanted to know where you, where you made that last record it. 35:23.007 --> 35:28.094 [SPEAKER_04]: I made it at Congress House and a guy named Andre Moran was the producer. 35:28.154 --> 35:31.158 [SPEAKER_04]: He is in the band called the Bell Sounds. 35:31.819 --> 35:47.040 [SPEAKER_04]: He was like the engineer at Congress House but he makes the Bell Sounds Records and I love their sound and I just wanted to try something that wasn't so attached to my 35:47.020 --> 35:49.624 [SPEAKER_04]: Because I'm, this is the way I play most of the time. 35:49.864 --> 35:54.772 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, everyone's so I want to get fancy all higher, a fiddle player, you know, like I want to. 35:55.112 --> 36:00.140 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to wear a clean shirt, and I'm going to come my hair, and we're going to have a fiddle player, and it's going to be a very fancy gig. 36:00.180 --> 36:09.534 [SPEAKER_04]: And so, you know, I also want to make records that reflect that, like real kind of acoustic key, sound, and things. 36:09.935 --> 36:12.199 [SPEAKER_04]: But with that record, it's called The Hard Stuff. 36:12.259 --> 36:13.641 [SPEAKER_04]: It came out in 2019. 36:13.681 --> 36:15.103 [SPEAKER_04]: And such a good record. 36:15.083 --> 36:21.269 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that is all Andre, because I have zero vision for songs and what they're supposed to sound like. 36:21.430 --> 36:30.459 [SPEAKER_04]: I just, I went and recorded my part and then I left and went on tour to Minnesota and he sat there and played the tracks. 36:30.579 --> 36:32.241 [SPEAKER_04]: He did everything. 36:32.261 --> 36:32.902 [SPEAKER_03]: He did everything. 36:32.922 --> 36:33.282 [SPEAKER_04]: He did everything. 36:33.302 --> 36:34.043 [SPEAKER_04]: It was great. 36:34.263 --> 36:34.804 [SPEAKER_04]: Give up. 36:34.824 --> 36:36.305 [SPEAKER_04]: I'd be back later. 36:36.806 --> 36:36.946 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. 36:36.966 --> 36:43.673 [SPEAKER_04]: And he sent mixes and I'd listen to him and I'd be like, hey man, you know, this sounds great. 36:44.159 --> 36:53.920 [SPEAKER_04]: And then I would say, I don't know that Clarenet is the way to go here, and then he'd be like, but wait, just wait, check this out. 36:54.020 --> 36:59.331 [SPEAKER_04]: And then he'd play it and be like, oh yeah, totally Clarenet goes there, and he plays a lot of instruments. 36:59.392 --> 37:04.783 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I have found really good luck in hiring producers that play a lot of instruments. 37:04.763 --> 37:06.846 [SPEAKER_04]: and that can keep your costs down. 37:06.926 --> 37:08.028 [SPEAKER_04]: That is my boyfriend. 37:08.048 --> 37:09.310 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that is. 37:09.330 --> 37:14.337 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, even better if you're dating, if you're not, you can sleep with them, and get a better deal than that's even better. 37:15.399 --> 37:17.882 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I still have to take him to a nice deal. 37:17.902 --> 37:19.725 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you're that out, where I get it totally for free. 37:20.666 --> 37:26.154 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's really fun, and we kind of didn't really know that we could do that until COVID, you know, that we could build the tracks and stuff. 37:26.215 --> 37:27.877 [SPEAKER_02]: So, but that was before that was 2019, right? 37:28.037 --> 37:29.039 [SPEAKER_02]: And that record came out. 37:29.499 --> 37:32.123 [SPEAKER_02]: And do you have plans to work with him anymore? 37:32.163 --> 37:32.644 [SPEAKER_02]: Or what? 37:32.624 --> 37:39.010 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not making a record with a guy named Don Richmond who is an alimosa Colorado. 37:39.670 --> 38:02.631 [SPEAKER_04]: He's an older guy and I absolutely love him and so the first batch of songs that I'm recording with that one's on there, it's all my sentimental family stuff and he is the guy that I always hand that to because he's going to just be so kind and thoughtful with it. 38:02.611 --> 38:05.694 [SPEAKER_04]: Fuck the patriarchy bubble, can I say that. 38:06.475 --> 38:07.256 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, baby. 38:07.777 --> 38:11.100 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you can say whatever you want on this podcast. 38:11.120 --> 38:13.763 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so excuse me There's children right here. 38:13.843 --> 38:29.260 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 38:31.400 --> 38:35.966 [SPEAKER_04]: I, I still wasn't gonna drop an F-bomb, and I know I can't even think, well, what were we talking about even? 38:36.466 --> 38:44.957 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's not as impactful if you say, like, to heck with the picture, yeah, it just doesn't land, yeah, the same, yeah, it does not land the same. 38:44.977 --> 38:54.589 [SPEAKER_04]: So I have a batch of songs that I'm going to take over to Brennan Lee, and we're going to do, I'm, I'm toying with calling it, will manifesto. 38:54.569 --> 39:10.536 [SPEAKER_04]: Because I went up to the cabinet in Montana and wrote this these songs for this record and it's it's all a little bit harder Stuff you know, I write so internally all the time my family my fears what I what I hope and 39:10.516 --> 39:23.209 [SPEAKER_04]: Just for all the reasons, there's a lot to write about, and as an artist, I think there's a little bit of a responsibility to acknowledge what's happening in our world, like write this minute. 39:23.930 --> 39:29.376 [SPEAKER_04]: Like it's hard for me to even remember that we just bombed Venezuela. 39:30.297 --> 39:39.426 [SPEAKER_02]: That's weird. 39:40.081 --> 39:52.440 [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't mean to go there, but I will say part of this not writing songs was putting a big wall around things that I was not allowed to write about, because it makes me uncomfortable. 39:52.981 --> 39:57.588 [SPEAKER_04]: It makes me uncomfortable, but that's how I started writing songs in the first place. 39:57.608 --> 39:59.811 [SPEAKER_04]: Was it a great way to process? 39:59.791 --> 40:04.395 [SPEAKER_04]: my feelings about stuff that I didn't know how to express in another way. 40:04.435 --> 40:11.401 [SPEAKER_04]: And so here I had, you know, said, well, I'm not going to, sorry guys, we might want to get a drink. 40:11.461 --> 40:22.431 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to talk about sobriety because I've been sober for a while and I don't want to write a recovery record and I'm not going to write about politics because that's such a bummer and people are wanting to go to music to get away from that stuff. 40:22.771 --> 40:29.477 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not going to write another song about my dead mother because I have 15 of those and nobody wants to hear about my dead mother anymore. 40:29.457 --> 40:35.443 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I had these really blacked-out areas of things that I think about all the time. 40:35.463 --> 40:40.868 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I'm thinking about, stand sober, what in the world's going on, and I miss my mom. 40:41.409 --> 40:41.869 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean? 40:42.170 --> 40:44.131 [SPEAKER_04]: And so no wonder I wasn't writing any songs. 40:44.672 --> 40:52.119 [SPEAKER_04]: Like I had any inspiration that I came out, I'd be like, nope, I can't write them, I don't, no, no, no, no, sorry, give me another one, you know, muse. 40:52.900 --> 40:57.945 [SPEAKER_04]: And so it just was, it was crippling to say there's things that I can't write about. 40:57.925 --> 41:00.492 [SPEAKER_04]: And do I have to play them at a music festival? 41:00.713 --> 41:04.464 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't, they might make it on a record. 41:04.524 --> 41:09.779 [SPEAKER_04]: I might never play some of them live, because they're uncomfortable, but I'm okay. 41:09.899 --> 41:12.306 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna get comfortable, be an uncomfortable. 41:12.438 --> 41:13.019 [SPEAKER_02]: I love that. 41:13.219 --> 41:15.962 [SPEAKER_02]: And Brynn and Lee is the perfect person for that. 41:16.183 --> 41:17.324 [SPEAKER_02]: Is task. 41:17.364 --> 41:17.764 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 41:17.784 --> 41:18.766 [SPEAKER_02]: She's so incredible. 41:18.786 --> 41:19.446 [SPEAKER_02]: So you don't know her. 41:19.767 --> 41:25.193 [SPEAKER_02]: You're just, but that, you too, as a pairing, makes total sense to me. 41:25.213 --> 41:26.215 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm really excited. 41:26.595 --> 41:30.280 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you play as another new one or, yeah, you don't have to. 41:30.600 --> 41:31.441 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm happy too. 41:32.322 --> 41:32.502 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 41:32.803 --> 41:38.850 [SPEAKER_04]: Let me, let me think about, um, well, 41:39.404 --> 41:41.807 [SPEAKER_02]: I still have, I'm hanging on to this just in case. 41:41.867 --> 41:44.450 [SPEAKER_04]: How uncomfortable do we want to get? 41:46.653 --> 41:50.137 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, well, I think, you know what's weird, too. 41:50.297 --> 41:53.200 [SPEAKER_02]: I wrote a song that was not, it was just about voting. 41:53.401 --> 41:55.003 [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't say one way or the other. 41:55.043 --> 41:55.443 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 41:55.563 --> 41:56.645 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just that you should vote. 41:57.325 --> 42:04.534 [SPEAKER_02]: And the hatred from both sides that I got was so insane to me that, 42:04.750 --> 42:08.602 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, your team is over there like, hey, engagements engagement. 42:08.662 --> 42:13.697 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, I know, but it's really sad that that's 42:14.065 --> 42:19.453 [SPEAKER_02]: What, like, when you're an artist and you open your phone, and you go, okay, here we go. 42:19.473 --> 42:33.215 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know what's, you know, when you click on a comment, and you're kind of praised for, you know, that's a, that's a hard feeling to have as a human being, and that's, I think, why, you know, it is easy to write beer drinking songs and hunky songs, and that stuff is very fun. 42:33.635 --> 42:37.221 [SPEAKER_02]: But you know that when you're touching on something sensitive, 42:37.201 --> 42:44.772 [SPEAKER_02]: that it's not just that song, it's the comments, it's the people that come up afterwards, it's being afraid to even hear the response. 42:44.852 --> 42:49.139 [SPEAKER_02]: It's something that follows for the rest of the life of the song really, so. 42:49.179 --> 42:50.381 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, anyway. 42:51.162 --> 42:53.826 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I'm just trying to gauge how uncomfortable do I want to get. 42:53.846 --> 42:58.293 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. 42:58.313 --> 42:59.434 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. 42:59.515 --> 43:00.476 [SPEAKER_04]: I want to make friends. 43:01.297 --> 43:01.858 [SPEAKER_04]: You know? 43:01.973 --> 43:17.351 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's, I think, and I say that a lot, like I don't, I want everyone to be friends in music and as all to get along, but a lot of the people that I love, I mean, think about Loretta Lynn writing about the pill on that being banned from country radio, you know what I mean? 43:17.772 --> 43:28.885 [SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of my heroes have taken on subjects that were considered outlaw at the time that became, you know, went on to create change and become icons and legends. 43:29.005 --> 43:31.288 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, 43:31.707 --> 43:44.228 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's a weird thing to think, and I don't want to overinflate it, but when artists make change, because we're the weird ones around here, right? 43:45.009 --> 43:52.060 [SPEAKER_04]: And we get to, we get the privilege of sitting in room-spel of people communicating. 43:52.722 --> 43:58.491 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's a big, it's a privilege, it is such a privilege, I never want to abuse that. 43:58.471 --> 44:03.257 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Drew Kennedy says a lot that, you know, we do a lot of research. 44:03.297 --> 44:05.420 [SPEAKER_02]: We play all over the country and even the world. 44:05.740 --> 44:05.981 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 44:06.121 --> 44:11.788 [SPEAKER_02]: So like we talk to a lot of people and that has really opened my eyes to how people think and how people exist. 44:11.868 --> 44:12.469 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah. 44:12.489 --> 44:16.695 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that we, you know, as far as researchers, we've done a lot of work over here. 44:16.995 --> 44:17.355 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 44:17.636 --> 44:17.796 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah. 44:17.776 --> 44:19.298 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so I'm going to play one. 44:19.499 --> 44:20.440 [SPEAKER_04]: I love this song. 44:20.781 --> 44:21.702 [SPEAKER_04]: I love this song so much. 44:21.722 --> 44:38.730 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't even care if you don't like it It really shouldn't hurt anybody's feelings unless you're a billionaire and so if you're a billionaire now would be a good time to Go and buy me a new trailer Bye, well all of three is a merchandise. 44:38.790 --> 44:39.451 [SPEAKER_02]: They really need it. 44:39.511 --> 44:40.493 [SPEAKER_02]: It's right over there 44:51.965 --> 44:58.533 [SPEAKER_04]: America, the fairy tale that hears the plot twist the land of opportunity is full of opportunists. 44:58.553 --> 45:04.120 [SPEAKER_04]: CEO's make millions while their workers live on crumbs that tell who's the parasite, who's the lazy mom. 45:04.441 --> 45:07.024 [SPEAKER_04]: The problem was housing more houses with salt. 45:07.525 --> 45:10.429 [SPEAKER_04]: We got people in the margins and he's worried about his problem. 45:10.709 --> 45:13.613 [SPEAKER_04]: We don't need another wall or to pour more suspense. 45:13.933 --> 45:18.058 [SPEAKER_04]: You don't need a thing if you can't swing the rent. 45:18.078 --> 45:21.803 [SPEAKER_04]: I want to go home. 45:22.745 --> 45:30.076 [SPEAKER_04]: Let me go home, I want to get home! 45:30.156 --> 45:31.078 [SPEAKER_04]: What do I know? 45:31.238 --> 45:39.410 [SPEAKER_04]: I know I'm sick of the sea sweets, find a shelter for their taxes, putting families on the streets, find welfare, health care, who's not paying their share. 45:39.650 --> 45:42.134 [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody works the system quite like the billionaire. 45:42.174 --> 45:42.655 [SPEAKER_04]: They use 5x. 45:43.176 --> 45:45.399 [SPEAKER_04]: Deferred tax or structure their debt. 45:45.439 --> 45:48.484 [SPEAKER_04]: They file chapter 11 to keep their liquid assets. 45:48.524 --> 45:51.368 [SPEAKER_04]: They have negotiating power to get a better mortgage rate. 45:51.348 --> 46:15.853 [SPEAKER_04]: They ain't big, no more land boys by that real estate Criminalized, minimalized, the plight of the board Think to have not's have less, so we can have more Why do we think that the minimum wage is the measure Gauge, no house, try and catch Home, I wanna go home, let me go home 46:26.431 --> 46:32.678 [SPEAKER_06]: Let me go home I wanna get home free 46:33.383 --> 46:40.013 [SPEAKER_04]: He inherited his food straps, he inherited his boots, his family tree has dried roots and it's fairing right through. 46:40.033 --> 46:49.568 [SPEAKER_04]: Five generations of spoiled little brats, enjoy the spoils of war, without the fear of combat, war, man, hell, that's for other people's kids. 46:49.588 --> 46:58.682 [SPEAKER_04]: Someone in the projects, someone on the skis, definitely not for the children of beans, 47:04.602 --> 47:09.887 [SPEAKER_06]: Let me go home I wanna get home 47:11.757 --> 47:38.068 [SPEAKER_04]: They live hand-a-mouth, hold no body, get sick Another round of layoffs, a little carrot with a mistake Please, by the week, they lay rates all they can afford Now their heads and prey to the corporate landlord He gets a big deduction for us Yots of private planes Complaints about the 10% Capital gains, but he's got enough to lead his grandchildren We're in the cold, as he owns the building 47:40.158 --> 47:58.065 [SPEAKER_06]: I want to go home, let me go home I want it for free, help I want to go home, let me go home 48:08.373 --> 48:22.534 [SPEAKER_02]: Susan Friedinggipz, so this is a weird episode a little bit because I have a show at the top of the Gondola 530 and my true manager has informed me that the Gondola closes that four. 48:23.135 --> 48:33.250 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to sprint in cowboy boots across the ice right now to the Gondola right and then 48:33.230 --> 48:36.116 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to let you finish this off however you wish. 48:36.196 --> 48:37.859 [SPEAKER_02]: You have the big game. 48:37.899 --> 48:38.761 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to talk to you about that. 48:38.781 --> 48:40.605 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to talk to you more about White Open's bases. 48:40.645 --> 48:41.146 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to talk. 48:41.186 --> 48:42.248 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm just such a fan. 48:42.288 --> 48:44.933 [SPEAKER_02]: I have so many things that I wanted to tell me. 48:45.114 --> 48:46.115 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be calling you on the way. 48:46.136 --> 48:51.947 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, Susan, but I know that you have more to, if you don't mind, just 48:52.147 --> 48:55.430 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm closing out this podcast all by yourself. 48:55.590 --> 48:57.231 [SPEAKER_02]: I will have it for the first time ever. 48:57.271 --> 48:58.773 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, what is this podcast? 48:59.093 --> 49:01.675 [SPEAKER_04]: Is there any like commercial stuff or anything that I need to read? 49:01.695 --> 49:04.318 [SPEAKER_02]: We need to thank our future sponsors who might be in this room. 49:04.358 --> 49:04.958 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. 49:05.198 --> 49:06.880 [SPEAKER_02]: No, actually we do have great sponsors. 49:06.900 --> 49:10.563 [SPEAKER_02]: But we, none, we are obligated to mention this round. 49:10.603 --> 49:14.687 [SPEAKER_02]: Except thanks to John Dixon and Dixon production and music festival happen in Brock. 49:14.707 --> 49:15.267 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much. 49:15.307 --> 49:17.489 [SPEAKER_02]: I just really appreciate everybody's help. 49:17.569 --> 49:22.153 [SPEAKER_02]: And while I'm here, I just cause I love to fill the love. 49:22.133 --> 49:23.636 [SPEAKER_02]: Susan, give some of my time. 49:23.656 --> 49:24.257 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. 49:24.277 --> 49:26.460 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, I got to make up on your hanker chips. 49:27.682 --> 49:28.604 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll keep it forever. 49:28.644 --> 49:32.310 [SPEAKER_04]: It's pretty cool to say, I have to go. 49:32.330 --> 49:35.295 [SPEAKER_04]: I have a gun to let a catch to get to my gig. 49:35.997 --> 49:36.838 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, I'm going to play. 49:36.898 --> 49:37.599 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll play you one. 49:37.760 --> 49:41.406 [SPEAKER_04]: And then I have a gig at the Gravity House here, so I won't take too much time. 49:41.446 --> 49:43.509 [SPEAKER_04]: But this is the one that she mentioned. 49:43.569 --> 49:44.751 [SPEAKER_04]: It's called The Big Game. 49:46.234 --> 49:46.875 [SPEAKER_04]: And a... 49:48.138 --> 50:05.396 [SPEAKER_04]: I was trying to write a love song, and the best I could do was a pick-up line, and I've tried every single word in the book, like love and hate, like now and wait. 50:06.437 --> 50:13.564 [SPEAKER_05]: Anything to get you on that hook, it's not a trap, just because it's fate. 50:13.584 --> 50:15.546 [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe I need a Webster. 50:19.508 --> 50:44.908 [SPEAKER_05]: Or something to expand my vocabulary This kind of sounds like that long song I got a million tricks up my sleeve My slide of hand don't need the wedding band 50:46.762 --> 51:07.183 [SPEAKER_04]: To make you believe this folk and beers ain't contraband Baby, I need some tips from pen and teller Or the spell to turn me into Cinderella 51:13.660 --> 51:21.493 [SPEAKER_06]: Do what I want you to 51:39.412 --> 52:03.563 [SPEAKER_05]: You got me holding down a little hope You're so watered smile, you little crop to die You're in the crosshairs of my scope I've been holding my breath for quite a little while A baby I need some tips from hand and tailers Maybe you should run over this one in the hotel Fill the peep in too soon 52:08.588 --> 52:37.617 [SPEAKER_05]: I want my way when you do what I want you to Why you gotta make it so hard I need a vision I need a little dignity 52:38.170 --> 53:02.743 [SPEAKER_05]: I need a little grace, but the only thing I know I love is a thrill of the chase Oh, that's my big move Do what I want to do Why you gotta make it slow? 53:21.370 --> 53:22.131 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks, y'all. 53:22.511 --> 53:23.873 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks so much for hanging out. 53:24.314 --> 53:26.777 [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, it's 350. 53:26.957 --> 53:31.082 [SPEAKER_04]: I got 10 minutes, and if anybody want to hang out for 10 more minutes, okay? 53:31.102 --> 53:32.924 [SPEAKER_04]: Anybody want to make a request? 53:35.827 --> 53:39.452 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, I was hoping at least one of you would want to hear that song. 53:41.755 --> 53:43.617 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah. 53:43.637 --> 53:44.258 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, goodness. 53:45.379 --> 53:50.365 [SPEAKER_04]: 10 minutes, I did ask. 53:51.998 --> 53:54.963 [SPEAKER_04]: a diagnostic heart and wide open spaces. 53:56.226 --> 54:09.870 [SPEAKER_04]: And then I'll let you all go, thank you so much for hanging out and big thanks to Bree and Kyle for their show that puts spotlights on a lot of musicians that are working hard. 54:11.012 --> 54:14.158 [SPEAKER_04]: And some of us that are trying to just look like we're working hard. 54:17.075 --> 54:19.183 [SPEAKER_04]: um this song's called Diagnostic Heart. 54:20.509 --> 54:27.456 [SPEAKER_04]: I was uh writing uh or uh doing a songwriting workshop and uh 54:30.777 --> 54:50.963 [SPEAKER_04]: One of the jobs that I had as the mentor at that songwriting workshop was to give a prompt for people to write to, which if you're not familiar, it's just a word or a phrase or maybe a chord progression or a postcard picture or just a place to start, right? 54:56.343 --> 55:07.083 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I did what I like to do when I'm right in my own songs, which is just circulated in the crowd and Eve's drop on what you guys are talking about because you always say really interesting things. 55:08.486 --> 55:10.851 [SPEAKER_04]: And if your antenna's not up, you might miss it. 55:11.652 --> 55:15.600 [SPEAKER_04]: But if you're a songwriter lurking around, they're not going to miss it. 55:15.620 --> 55:17.423 [SPEAKER_04]: They're going to be listened for it. 55:17.403 --> 55:23.652 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I heard this woman say the phrase diagnostic heart, and I thought that's interesting. 55:24.514 --> 55:30.142 [SPEAKER_04]: That was just an evocative phrase, and I thought, you know, really, what is heart? 55:30.522 --> 55:34.528 [SPEAKER_04]: What is love, but a prolonged and unique kind of heart disease? 55:34.969 --> 55:41.098 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I gave that as the songwriting prompt, just those two words. 55:41.078 --> 56:00.488 [SPEAKER_04]: and everybody went home and they they wrote their couple of lines or a version of chorus or whatever and then brought their brand new baby songs back and we shared you know these very rough but real kind of songs seedlings with each other. 56:00.468 --> 56:10.237 [SPEAKER_04]: And it was great, man, there was 22 people in this workshop, 22 people brought in something and no two people went in the same direction with it. 56:10.257 --> 56:25.151 [SPEAKER_04]: It was really cool, kind of the point of an exercise like that, which is to say, you know, there's no limit to creativity, like we could start with the exact same words and we're not going to write the same song because the variable is the songwriter, you know, that's the variable. 56:25.772 --> 56:26.813 [SPEAKER_04]: And so, um, 56:28.447 --> 56:34.390 [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, as we were kind of getting through that part of the exercise and 56:36.833 --> 56:43.342 [SPEAKER_04]: I looked at the lady and I was like, okay, so, you know, we might want to have more information so that we can finish these songs out. 56:44.263 --> 57:01.947 [SPEAKER_04]: What were you talking about when you said the phrase diagnostic heart and she looked at me kind of like, you guys were looking at me and she said, I don't think I said the phrase diagnostic heart and I said, I'm pretty sure I heard you say the phrase diagnostic heart and she said, well, I think I may have said that I had had an agnostic start. 57:03.901 --> 57:05.263 [SPEAKER_04]: about two late. 57:05.283 --> 57:09.729 [SPEAKER_04]: There's already 22 songs written on the Diagnostic Arts. 57:09.829 --> 57:23.547 [SPEAKER_04]: Here's the one I wrote. 57:23.607 --> 57:30.837 [SPEAKER_05]: I have the Diagnostic Arts, holding in a little bit of love. 57:34.175 --> 58:03.068 [SPEAKER_05]: I see the scent on and read the charts Several hands and rubber gloves Been to long and warm I didn't want to surprise the more This can make me frown 58:05.393 --> 58:34.759 [SPEAKER_05]: Let's have a messy love affair Want the right version of the song that I have to buy the right version Just turn the note in the beginning From your infectious laughter You can't hide the privacy 58:43.193 --> 58:58.485 [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't want to lie at the board Your heart didn't pass me Feel my die and not sit hard 59:19.913 --> 59:39.588 [SPEAKER_05]: First of all, my dying pasted heart. 59:39.608 --> 59:40.369 [SPEAKER_05]: There are no paradoxes. 59:51.200 --> 01:00:07.046 [SPEAKER_05]: We'll warm a pair of foam. 01:00:07.066 --> 01:00:12.355 [SPEAKER_05]: Circulation is the key. 01:00:12.375 --> 01:00:14.078 [SPEAKER_05]: Pressure build and tears apart. 01:00:14.098 --> 01:00:15.300 [SPEAKER_05]: Cirur drink and my surgery. 01:00:17.930 --> 01:00:21.257 [SPEAKER_05]: My past, my die had not been harmed. 01:00:43.630 --> 01:00:50.399 [SPEAKER_05]: First of all, my diet lasted part. 01:00:50.419 --> 01:01:04.258 [SPEAKER_05]: First of all, my diet lasted part. 01:01:04.278 --> 01:01:06.601 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, thank you for asking for that one. 01:01:08.183 --> 01:01:08.764 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, y'all. 01:01:10.406 --> 01:01:11.848 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I'm gonna make this one quick. 01:01:16.148 --> 01:01:18.227 [SPEAKER_04]: This is my greatest hit. 01:01:21.937 --> 01:01:28.563 [SPEAKER_04]: When the chicks called to do the song, they were like, we'd love to do the song, but it's kind of long. 01:01:28.683 --> 01:01:30.344 [SPEAKER_04]: We need to cut out the third verse. 01:01:30.364 --> 01:01:32.947 [SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, oh, you can't cut out the third verse. 01:01:34.388 --> 01:01:35.909 [SPEAKER_04]: That's my life story, you know? 01:01:36.410 --> 01:01:38.511 [SPEAKER_04]: And the third verse has to be in there. 01:01:38.551 --> 01:01:41.694 [SPEAKER_04]: And nobody's gonna know what you're talking about in the fourth verse, right? 01:01:41.714 --> 01:01:46.498 [SPEAKER_04]: Kind of like, jaws watching jaws too without seeing jaws when you're like, what is happening? 01:01:47.339 --> 01:01:51.943 [SPEAKER_04]: And they said, well, if we don't cut out the third verse, 01:01:51.923 --> 01:01:53.125 [SPEAKER_04]: This song will be too long. 01:01:53.165 --> 01:01:57.472 [SPEAKER_04]: They won't play it on country radio and you won't make as much money And I was like get rid of that third verse. 01:01:57.973 --> 01:02:15.802 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that I will never be that it's my chance for put this song around world To all you budding song writers out there. 01:02:15.862 --> 01:02:18.066 [SPEAKER_04]: I want to say man hold on to your integrity 01:02:19.075 --> 01:02:26.051 [SPEAKER_04]: but not for too long. 01:02:26.071 --> 01:02:28.837 [SPEAKER_05]: Who doesn't know what I'm talking about? 01:02:30.862 --> 01:02:34.029 [SPEAKER_05]: Who's never left home, who's never struck out? 01:02:34.951 --> 01:02:36.274 [SPEAKER_05]: To find a dream and... 01:02:40.726 --> 01:03:05.012 [SPEAKER_05]: In the clouds, a foundation of stone Many greasy, and many will follow The young girl's dreams no longer hollow It takes the shape of a place out west What a hole for her, she hasn't yet guessed 01:03:11.962 --> 01:03:37.318 [SPEAKER_05]: Room to make a big moustache Ging-ding New faces, she knows the highest day She traveled this road as a child Why'd I hand-gritting, she never tire it? 01:03:37.338 --> 01:03:39.100 [SPEAKER_05]: But now she won't be coming back with her life 01:03:41.560 --> 01:04:07.585 [SPEAKER_06]: These are lifeless and she'll take this test She'd eat wide open space there Room to make a big mistake, she'll eat New faces, she knows the highest things She knows the highest things She knows the highest things 01:04:29.198 --> 01:04:47.764 [SPEAKER_05]: That's your thing, she'll see that's something out Her friends and family her dog in this house She turned around to find her old friend there Looks like you hold, it has to fit in there 01:04:49.027 --> 01:05:17.970 [SPEAKER_04]: Folks drive away her dad goes check the oil That's how they say they love you Mom's there's out of the window Say that I believe in anger And also kick the tires every once in a while If you get a flat tire, if you have forgot to take Don't drive home on it She said she's not feeling like that long ago When she stood there and watched the wrong phone Go go she needed Why don't they say 01:05:31.568 --> 01:05:53.745 [SPEAKER_06]: She knows high space, she knows the high Why don't they say, oh, they make her fit mistakes She'd be new faces, she knows the high space She knows the high 01:06:08.356 --> 01:06:09.038 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks y'all. 01:06:09.139 --> 01:06:14.717 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks for coming and hanging out and if you haven't had enough of me yet I'm going to the gravity house. 01:06:14.737 --> 01:06:18.349 [SPEAKER_04]: You guys could somebody could walk me over there and show me how to get there if you want to