WEBVTT 00:14.611 --> 00:15.321 [SPEAKER_04]: My God! 00:15.341 --> 00:17.753 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't do it easily. 00:20.888 --> 00:25.856 [SPEAKER_04]: Now me and the posse, we got a job to do for this stuff. 00:26.437 --> 00:28.059 [SPEAKER_03]: Happy to play me. 00:28.220 --> 00:28.800 [SPEAKER_03]: Here's our hero. 00:28.821 --> 00:31.785 [SPEAKER_03]: Gonna change, We'll lose you down to zero. 00:32.266 --> 00:34.109 [SPEAKER_03]: Gonna help him. 00:34.129 --> 00:39.337 [SPEAKER_03]: Who the son of that guy is who I do. 00:39.357 --> 00:40.359 [SPEAKER_04]: Who the son of that guy is who I do. 00:40.379 --> 00:41.300 [SPEAKER_04]: Who the son of that guy is who I do. 00:41.320 --> 00:42.242 [SPEAKER_04]: Who the son of that guy is who I do. 00:42.262 --> 00:43.804 [SPEAKER_04]: Who the son of that guy is who I do. 00:43.824 --> 00:45.086 [SPEAKER_04]: Who the son of that guy is who I do. 00:45.106 --> 00:45.647 [SPEAKER_04]: Who the son of that guy is. 00:45.627 --> 00:57.531 [SPEAKER_04]: Now we'll be at the river, in the city, or in the woods, I'll keep America looking good. 00:57.551 --> 01:05.887 [SPEAKER_01]: Some people have a deep, abiding respect for the natural beauty that was once this country. 01:05.907 --> 01:07.230 [SPEAKER_01]: And some people don't. 01:08.982 --> 01:29.189 [SPEAKER_03]: People start pollution. 01:29.210 --> 01:29.590 [SPEAKER_03]: People can stop it. 01:42.277 --> 01:57.499 [SPEAKER_06]: We'd all like to see the Earth stay that way, no matter where you see it from, which is why Coca-Cola is taking steps to help environment two leaders at a time. 01:57.539 --> 02:02.546 [SPEAKER_06]: With the first softening bottle made from at least 25% recycled plastic. 02:02.566 --> 02:06.512 [SPEAKER_06]: It's not a giant eat from mankind, but it is a step in the right direction. 02:06.813 --> 02:11.162 [SPEAKER_06]: And remember, the more you recycle, the more recycle plastic we can use in the future. 02:11.223 --> 02:15.993 [SPEAKER_02]: Jars, nuts, bolts, screws, nails, reuse it for the future. 02:16.073 --> 02:17.055 [SPEAKER_02]: It's worth it. 02:17.075 --> 02:21.425 [SPEAKER_02]: Reduce, reuse, recycle, it's worth it. 02:21.966 --> 02:22.948 [SPEAKER_03]: It is worth it. 02:24.127 --> 02:48.025 [SPEAKER_03]: Magic, I rockin' out the rainbow, my brain is scrambled Rath, lockin' and I move, but I'm a member All of our cosletics are none costin' the journey I've been afraid to try to electrify, speck it and inject it by If you're certified and feel best to sound better Seems to have no effect, Dr. Get me another one Yes, we'll be another animal 03:02.264 --> 03:03.046 [SPEAKER_02]: Humans. 03:03.346 --> 03:04.008 [SPEAKER_00]: Humans? 03:04.409 --> 03:04.950 [SPEAKER_00]: Where? 03:05.692 --> 03:13.689 [SPEAKER_00]: If like us, you grew up from the late 70s through the 90s, you were inundated with one new and seemingly world-saving message. 03:14.170 --> 03:15.212 [SPEAKER_00]: Recycle. 03:15.272 --> 03:21.927 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't just throw things away in the landfill, recycle what you use, reduce your use, and reuse what you have. 03:21.907 --> 03:27.397 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, recycling centers aren't just home to hard workers trying to help us make the world better. 03:27.878 --> 03:29.942 [SPEAKER_00]: They are sometimes used to dispose of people. 03:30.443 --> 03:34.030 [SPEAKER_00]: Today, I will be telling the stories of bodies found at recycling centers. 03:34.491 --> 03:38.318 [SPEAKER_00]: Some accidental, some like Stephanie Stanton were purposeful. 03:38.839 --> 03:44.590 [SPEAKER_00]: Listener warning as this will include the story of baby precious, a newborn, disposed of like garbage. 03:45.717 --> 03:52.090 [SPEAKER_00]: I hadn't heard of the baby precious case until our friends at bloodline detectives reached out and asked me to help them tell her story. 03:52.571 --> 03:59.765 [SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't sure about doing an entire episode on her story until the news a few weeks ago about multiple bodies being found at recycling centers. 04:00.346 --> 04:04.755 [SPEAKER_00]: As I started digging, I found that this sadly was not an unheard of occurrence. 04:04.735 --> 04:15.156 [SPEAKER_00]: On January 12th of this year, Portland Police announced a pair of distressing discoveries made at waste management, which is Portland's trash company, recycling center on North Hunt Street. 04:15.697 --> 04:19.906 [SPEAKER_00]: On Monday, January 5th, the body of an adult male was located at the center. 04:20.627 --> 04:25.377 [SPEAKER_00]: Then, on January 9th, another adult male was found at the same center. 04:25.357 --> 04:40.451 [SPEAKER_00]: If you have any information about the body's found at the waste management recycling center on North Hunt Street in early January of this year, you're asked to contact investigators at homicidetips at police.portlandorrigan.gov and reference case number 26-7892. 04:41.072 --> 04:45.636 [SPEAKER_00]: The bodies have not been publicly identified nor has their cause of death. 04:46.157 --> 04:52.883 [SPEAKER_00]: While this seems like it may be murder, bodies are found at recycling centers often and homicide isn't always the cause. 04:53.453 --> 05:06.307 [SPEAKER_00]: In my casual perusal of newspaper articles about bodies found in recycling centers, it appears that they are often those of houseless people who have fallen asleep in containers or at centers and are inadvertently crushed. 05:06.968 --> 05:10.992 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's us, we're going to take a little trip down the history of recycling lane. 05:11.433 --> 05:20.743 [SPEAKER_00]: I know I'm no John Oliver, I'm just an ADHD gal in the middle of a medication change, you went down the rabbit hole over recycling centers, and loves to share fun facts. 05:21.803 --> 05:26.312 [SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't focus except on recycling centers. 05:27.187 --> 05:38.700 [SPEAKER_00]: way back in the day, recycling used to be more focused on the reuse and the additional R repair, clothes were of better quality, no offense to the children in Asia who are making our clothes now. 05:39.240 --> 05:46.388 [SPEAKER_00]: So when a shirt or dress was worn out or became uncool, you could simply stitch it or reconfigure it to get more mileage from it. 05:46.748 --> 05:52.975 [SPEAKER_00]: And when those items were officially worn out, you could still use them as rags or for fabric for a different item. 05:52.955 --> 06:00.085 [SPEAKER_00]: According to the history channel, even once municipal trash pickup became a thing in the late 1800s, people would still sort. 06:00.525 --> 06:10.179 [SPEAKER_00]: There was trash trash, separate from the reusable stuff, and even then workers at the centers with sort items such as food for farm animals and reusable products for industries. 06:11.160 --> 06:13.604 [SPEAKER_00]: You dig it on this recycling info? 06:13.724 --> 06:16.127 [SPEAKER_00]: I am actually interested. 06:16.107 --> 06:18.549 [SPEAKER_05]: It's pretty fascinating that they were doing that way back then. 06:18.789 --> 06:19.550 [SPEAKER_00]: Way back then. 06:19.610 --> 06:29.719 [SPEAKER_00]: The Industrial Revolution led to only metals being recycled in the 20s, but by the 40s, families were encouraged to sort their refuse as part of the war effort. 06:29.739 --> 06:36.105 [SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't be until our hippie ancestors of the 60s came along, but the first official recycling programs were created. 06:36.545 --> 06:41.350 [SPEAKER_00]: This was a time of ecological awareness and new laws protecting our natural resources. 06:41.830 --> 06:46.114 [SPEAKER_00]: It made sense to do things to protect the Earth and to have a connection to the environment. 06:46.094 --> 06:57.252 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the issues at that time was that there were recycling centers, but if you wanted your items recycled you would have to load your car up with that stuff and drive it there, which was not the most practical. 06:57.704 --> 06:58.105 [SPEAKER_05]: no. 06:58.565 --> 06:59.246 [SPEAKER_05]: And stinky. 06:59.727 --> 07:03.772 [SPEAKER_05]: I have to save this stuff and then I have to process, I have to be a part of the process. 07:03.812 --> 07:08.819 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to store it somewhere long enough to where you got enough to take in the car, to then take to the place. 07:09.640 --> 07:13.324 [SPEAKER_00]: That difficulty led to a landfill emergency in the 70s. 07:13.705 --> 07:15.627 [SPEAKER_00]: The emergency was that they were filling up. 07:16.068 --> 07:20.674 [SPEAKER_00]: Recycling would help remove some items from the landfill leaving room for more trash. 07:20.654 --> 07:26.961 [SPEAKER_00]: Curbside bins started to appear albeit sporadically and the general population was starting to get on board with sorting. 07:27.342 --> 07:30.986 [SPEAKER_00]: The first Earth Day in 1970 helped spread the idea even further. 07:31.727 --> 07:32.928 [SPEAKER_00]: And all those promotions worked. 07:33.229 --> 07:37.794 [SPEAKER_00]: In 1960, recycling bins were available to only about 6% of the population. 07:38.275 --> 07:46.324 [SPEAKER_00]: In the 80s it was up to 10%, 16% in the 90s, 29% in the odds, and more than 32% in 2023. 07:46.304 --> 07:51.529 [SPEAKER_00]: There is proof of recycling working, not to save the environment, of course, but to make room in the landfills. 07:52.050 --> 07:58.196 [SPEAKER_00]: In 1964 percent of waste went to the landfill, and in 2018 it was down to 52 percent. 07:59.017 --> 08:04.943 [SPEAKER_00]: In my opinion, a big reason those numbers have gone up is due to the propaganda we were exposed to as Gen X and Millennials. 08:05.403 --> 08:14.252 [SPEAKER_00]: As you heard in the intro, from TV shows and movies to PSAs and in-school promotions, we were bombarded with messages about pollution, littering, and recycling. 08:14.384 --> 08:15.265 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is good. 08:15.465 --> 08:17.588 [SPEAKER_00]: We shouldn't be tossing our trash out on the highway. 08:17.908 --> 08:19.751 [SPEAKER_00]: We should give a hoot and not pollute. 08:20.111 --> 08:25.117 [SPEAKER_00]: Or in Josh's case, we shouldn't break Billy Ray Cycles, Aiki Breaky Heart. 08:25.417 --> 08:26.959 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you say Billy Ray Cycles? 08:27.039 --> 08:27.660 [SPEAKER_05]: I sure did. 08:27.720 --> 08:33.487 [SPEAKER_05]: The regional recycling mascot for Burbank, California when I was a youngster. 08:33.547 --> 08:34.168 [SPEAKER_05]: That's right. 08:34.889 --> 08:37.472 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, could you tell us about Billy Ray Cycles? 08:37.537 --> 08:43.448 [SPEAKER_05]: All I know of Billy race cycle is from seeing ads before movies started when I go to the movies there. 08:43.809 --> 08:45.793 [SPEAKER_05]: And he's a handsome Billy goat. 08:46.434 --> 08:47.536 [SPEAKER_05]: He's got big old horned. 08:47.556 --> 08:51.504 [SPEAKER_05]: He's wearing a jean jacket and some sort of little jeans and he's got little hooves. 08:52.125 --> 08:54.169 [SPEAKER_05]: Very proudly standing by a recycling bin. 08:54.770 --> 08:56.153 [SPEAKER_05]: Short lived. 08:56.133 --> 08:57.555 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think anyone remembers him. 08:57.575 --> 09:11.591 [SPEAKER_05]: I did some research on my own time, years ago, and a friend of mine who worked at a local library down there found a recycling bin with Billy race cycle on it, confirming that it did exist. 09:12.532 --> 09:19.340 [SPEAKER_00]: And the only image we'll be able to put on the blog is from what appears to maybe be someone's thesis, but it's in Japanese. 09:20.041 --> 09:25.127 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll have to run it through 09:25.192 --> 09:32.590 [SPEAKER_05]: And I will look in my archives to see if I have the photo that I need to be Billy Ray Cycle, Ray Cycling then. 09:32.971 --> 09:33.893 [SPEAKER_05]: So that's what we had. 09:33.913 --> 09:37.041 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know that it worked. 09:37.223 --> 09:50.685 [SPEAKER_00]: While those messages are positive and may have kept some of us from being abundantly wasteful, we've come to learn that a large portion of that messaging was to push the responsibility of pollution and waste from the companies that were making it to the consumers who were using it. 09:53.469 --> 10:01.623 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think any consumer would take issue with using a zero waste product, but companies do as they are much more expensive to produce. 10:02.765 --> 10:04.227 [SPEAKER_00]: All shocking information, I'm sure. 10:04.915 --> 10:20.500 [SPEAKER_00]: In studies conducted by the conversation in October of 2019 and March of 2022, it was found Americans are more focused on the recycling R instead of the reduce or reuse, meaning we are happy to buy something that is plastic because we can just toss it into the recycling. 10:20.920 --> 10:25.708 [SPEAKER_00]: As opposed to buying the more expensive glass container or having the skills to reuse an item, 10:25.688 --> 10:36.372 [SPEAKER_00]: On top of that, recycling is hard, and I don't mean the act is difficult, but no matter how many notices I get about what can or can't go into the recycling bin, I'm still never quite sure. 10:36.393 --> 10:44.912 [SPEAKER_00]: It has to have a triangle, but only certain ones, and it has to be clean unless there's wax, and you can only do it on a full moon on the third Tuesday of the month. 10:44.892 --> 10:47.478 [SPEAKER_00]: not to mention the rules are varied across the country. 10:47.818 --> 10:56.417 [SPEAKER_00]: I've had some painful experiences in other states that just straight up don't have recycling, and I've had to put things in the trash that just took away pieces of my soul. 10:57.199 --> 11:00.606 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm also very guilty of what is called wish cycling. 11:00.586 --> 11:14.908 [SPEAKER_00]: Meaning, if I have something that I'm pretty confident is recyclable like a clean piece of aluminum foil, but I'm just not sure and I put it into the recycling, I'm just wishing and hoping that it will go through and not be a burden to those workers who are sorting. 11:15.389 --> 11:17.532 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's wish cycling. 11:17.512 --> 11:20.920 [SPEAKER_00]: Side note, Josh and I are in the midst of a themed movie month. 11:21.121 --> 11:23.005 [SPEAKER_00]: For January, we've chosen Bleak. 11:23.427 --> 11:29.441 [SPEAKER_00]: If you would like to get on board and feel sick about mass consumerism and waste, check out by now on Netflix. 11:30.023 --> 11:31.386 [SPEAKER_00]: Keep a barf bucket close. 11:32.260 --> 11:33.202 [SPEAKER_00]: So back to the intro. 11:33.422 --> 11:38.391 [SPEAKER_00]: Since companies didn't want to bear the brunt of the recycling issue, they decided to target the children. 11:38.451 --> 11:45.543 [SPEAKER_00]: So we had Captain Planet being our hero, a Sicilian man pretending to be indigenous and crying about trash on the freeway. 11:45.843 --> 11:52.615 [SPEAKER_00]: Big brands like Coke making their own tune about it and the Yakkaity Yak-Rap featuring an all-star roster. 11:52.595 --> 12:02.907 [SPEAKER_00]: of Pat Benatar, Natalie Cole, Charlie Daniels, lead a Ford Quincy Jones BB-Keen, Queen Latifa, Kenny Loggins, Bet-Midler, Randy Newman, Tone-Logue, Ozzy Osborne, I'll be sure. 12:03.287 --> 12:08.413 [SPEAKER_00]: Barry White, Stevie Wonder, Bugs Bunny, and the star of all stars MC Scott Cat. 12:08.954 --> 12:09.855 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah! 12:10.175 --> 12:10.896 [SPEAKER_00]: All of whom! 12:10.956 --> 12:16.442 [SPEAKER_00]: We're telling us it was our job to be better about what we used and we used. 12:16.945 --> 12:22.350 [SPEAKER_00]: Before we get to the cases, you might like me wonder what exactly happens at these centers. 12:22.951 --> 12:24.733 [SPEAKER_00]: Overall, the process works as such. 12:25.033 --> 12:30.358 [SPEAKER_00]: A recycling truck picks up from the local containers be it curbside at homes or dumpsters at businesses. 12:30.939 --> 12:35.323 [SPEAKER_00]: It takes the load to the recycling center where it dumps the contents onto a conveyor belt. 12:35.744 --> 12:42.210 [SPEAKER_00]: Employees at the center stand on each side of the belt, which is usually about five feet wide or at least at the center in North Portland. 12:42.190 --> 12:47.279 [SPEAKER_00]: The employees are to watch for items that shouldn't be there, such as garbage and non-recyclables. 12:47.720 --> 12:50.786 [SPEAKER_00]: Past that, there are orders for different materials and sizes. 12:51.187 --> 12:55.955 [SPEAKER_00]: The paper items go one way, the metal, and other, then boom, it's magically recycled. 12:56.697 --> 12:57.558 [SPEAKER_00]: Just kidding, of course. 12:57.719 --> 13:02.207 [SPEAKER_00]: There's so much more after the sorting, but we're here for true crime. 13:02.187 --> 13:08.976 [SPEAKER_00]: Besides the horrors of disgusting garbage and non-recyclables, employees have been exposed to other shocking discoveries. 13:09.537 --> 13:20.311 [SPEAKER_00]: In November 2008, employees at the Twin Falls Recycling Plant in Idaho were a guest when they opened a 1500-pound newspaper bail and discovered the body of an adult man inside. 13:20.371 --> 13:24.397 [SPEAKER_00]: The man was later identified as 51-year-old Terrence Fitzpatrick. 13:24.817 --> 13:26.980 [SPEAKER_00]: He was houseless and had been living in Boise. 13:26.960 --> 13:35.991 [SPEAKER_00]: Investigators felt Terrence was called that 40-degree night and had climbed into the newspaper recycling bin to keep warm, something that is not uncommon in the houseless community. 13:36.471 --> 13:49.407 [SPEAKER_00]: Terrence was known in the community to suffer from alcohol addiction, and they hoped that his high blood alcohol content of 0.28 had been high enough that he would have been passed out when the papers were crushed while he was inside. 13:49.387 --> 13:54.372 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a similar fate for 50-year-old Gordon Lemke and Albany Oregon back in 2011. 13:54.412 --> 13:58.836 [SPEAKER_00]: He was also houseless and had fallen asleep inside a company's cardboard compactor. 13:59.376 --> 14:03.820 [SPEAKER_00]: It would take until that deposit was opened at the recycling center for his body to be found. 14:04.561 --> 14:16.272 [SPEAKER_00]: While houses folks are the most often found in recycling centers due to accidents, the centers are sometimes used as purposeful locations of disposal, such as the case in the murder of Stephanie Stanton. 14:17.703 --> 14:25.752 [SPEAKER_00]: On April 5, 2018, employees at the City of Spokane wasted to energy facility were hard at work monitoring the belt for non-recyclables. 14:26.333 --> 14:29.617 [SPEAKER_00]: They were instead shocked to see a body come down the conveyor belt. 14:29.957 --> 14:32.160 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything came to a halt and the police were called. 14:32.720 --> 14:36.304 [SPEAKER_00]: The body was identified as that of 79-year-old Stephanie standing. 14:36.685 --> 14:45.735 [SPEAKER_00]: It was determined, Stephanie had died from homicidal violence, blunt force trauma, and that her death occurred late April 3rd or early April 4th, 2018. 14:45.715 --> 14:48.919 [SPEAKER_00]: It would be the morning of the fifth that Stephanie's body was found. 14:49.840 --> 14:53.004 [SPEAKER_00]: Authorities started their investigation by looking into Stephanie's life. 14:53.385 --> 14:57.710 [SPEAKER_00]: A couple of years before her murder, Stephanie was convalescing at Sacred Heart Medical Center. 14:58.151 --> 15:01.735 [SPEAKER_00]: Being away from home, she was hoping to find a dog sitter for her blind poodle. 15:02.216 --> 15:10.947 [SPEAKER_00]: Georgia Miller's cousin worked at Sacred Heart, informed her of the situation, and she began caring for the dog, which led to compassion for Stephanie. 15:10.927 --> 15:16.454 [SPEAKER_00]: After Sacred Heart, Stephanie was committed to Eastern State Hospital on account of her skits so effective disorder. 15:16.874 --> 15:20.839 [SPEAKER_00]: Having developed a fondness for Stephanie, Georgia would visit her at the hospital weekly. 15:21.280 --> 15:27.627 [SPEAKER_00]: By February 2017, Stephanie had been responding so well to medication, it was decided she would be released. 15:28.088 --> 15:30.491 [SPEAKER_00]: That was nice and all, but she didn't have any housing. 15:30.951 --> 15:36.478 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was agreed that Georgia and her husband Stanley would allow Stephanie to live with them in a spare bedroom. 15:36.458 --> 15:43.026 [SPEAKER_00]: Georgia and Stephanie had a close relationship with the former helping with medication, the dog, and medical appointments. 15:43.360 --> 15:47.784 [SPEAKER_00]: You may be wondering why Stephanie's own family wasn't caring for her in her later years. 15:48.185 --> 15:53.730 [SPEAKER_00]: By this time, Stephanie was estranged from basically everyone thanks to her undiagnosed medical issues. 15:54.151 --> 15:57.834 [SPEAKER_00]: She was barely in contact with her two children or any extended family. 15:58.255 --> 16:01.638 [SPEAKER_00]: She had been living on and off the streets and was always moving around. 16:02.238 --> 16:10.026 [SPEAKER_00]: Even those closest to Stephanie said that she was able to get to a point of asking for help, but when it came to it, she would never accept the help. 16:10.006 --> 16:15.872 [SPEAKER_00]: Stephanie had been an only child, she was married in 1961 while attending the University of Montana. 16:16.332 --> 16:19.936 [SPEAKER_00]: While her husband was a teacher, she stayed home and eventually raised her son and daughter. 16:20.436 --> 16:23.920 [SPEAKER_00]: In 1987, the couple divorced and Stephanie moved to Minneapolis. 16:24.420 --> 16:26.983 [SPEAKER_00]: It was around this time Stephanie's mental health took a turn. 16:27.363 --> 16:31.768 [SPEAKER_00]: Her combat of nature toward friends, help, and medication left her without much support. 16:32.308 --> 16:37.093 [SPEAKER_00]: She survived off a trust her mother had 16:37.073 --> 16:42.282 [SPEAKER_00]: Taking to writing the bus around the country, it was at this time she was placed in Sacred Heart Medical Center. 16:42.923 --> 16:45.087 [SPEAKER_00]: Finding housing is never an easy feat. 16:45.267 --> 16:47.852 [SPEAKER_00]: It's only more difficult when you're nearly 80 years old. 16:48.172 --> 16:58.390 [SPEAKER_00]: You're struggling with your health, the rental market is tight, and to throw in one more wrench around this time, Stephanie lost her wallet and ID, so time was lost to paperwork. 16:58.370 --> 17:08.489 [SPEAKER_00]: A cherry on top, Stephanie suffered a stroke in June of 2017, the stroke led to physical issues like difficulty taking stairs and cognitive ones like refusing medication. 17:09.131 --> 17:14.100 [SPEAKER_00]: After the stroke, Stephanie stayed in her room most of the day and her mental health deteriorated. 17:14.080 --> 17:19.151 [SPEAKER_00]: Three months after the stroke, Georgia and Stanley were leaving for a six-week long vacation in Ireland. 17:19.612 --> 17:29.033 [SPEAKER_00]: While the couple tried to come up with a plan to keep Stephanie safe in their absence, she learned of their trip and decided to leave on her own, moving into a quote CD Motel. 17:30.016 --> 17:33.844 [SPEAKER_00]: After the Motel, Stephanie went to live at the house of charities shelter. 17:33.824 --> 17:40.432 [SPEAKER_00]: In December, the Miller's returned home, Stephanie told them that she was not comfortable at the shelter, and she asked that they pay for a hotel. 17:40.992 --> 17:44.777 [SPEAKER_00]: They did, but it was only a few days before the hotel asked Stephanie to leave. 17:45.538 --> 17:51.885 [SPEAKER_00]: Out of options, Stephanie was offered the Miller's rental property on West 15th Avenue on Spokane, Washington's South Hill. 17:52.425 --> 18:00.675 [SPEAKER_00]: The plan was for her to stay there only through the end of the year, while adult protective services or APS attempt to 18:00.655 --> 18:06.727 [SPEAKER_00]: While they waited, Georgia checked in on Stephanie every day, bringing her puppy pads for her poodle and food. 18:07.328 --> 18:14.783 [SPEAKER_00]: By that time, Stephanie was rarely leaving her bedroom, which was located on the main floor and joined the only other bathroom on that floor. 18:15.674 --> 18:19.499 [SPEAKER_00]: Coincidentally, it was this time a note was placed on the front door of the rental home. 18:19.819 --> 18:29.492 [SPEAKER_00]: The note was left by a man named Eugene Jupp, who expressed interest in renting the property for himself, his wife and their daughter, who had recently moved to the area from Montana. 18:29.973 --> 18:36.822 [SPEAKER_00]: They were hoping they could move out of the hotel they were staying in and into that home as it was close to their daughter's elementary school. 18:36.802 --> 18:43.870 [SPEAKER_00]: The millers responded to the note and spoke with Eugene and forming him of what they hoped would be a short-term situation with Stephanie. 18:44.410 --> 18:48.134 [SPEAKER_00]: With that, Anne Eugene's handyman experience in mind, the group came to a deal. 18:48.495 --> 18:50.156 [SPEAKER_00]: Eugene and his family would move in. 18:50.397 --> 18:52.339 [SPEAKER_00]: Stephanie would stay until she had placement. 18:52.819 --> 18:56.764 [SPEAKER_00]: Since the situation wasn't ideal, Eugene wouldn't pay money for rent. 18:57.064 --> 19:05.593 [SPEAKER_00]: He would pay in painting the home and other labor, only paying for utilities. 19:05.573 --> 19:08.476 [SPEAKER_00]: The Jump Family moved in and took over the upstairs bedrooms. 19:08.916 --> 19:14.382 [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't take long for the situation to become uncomfortable for the family as Stephanie's health continued to decline. 19:14.983 --> 19:21.790 [SPEAKER_00]: Leanne Eugene's wife would later testify that soon after they had moved in, Stephanie came to the kitchen where Leanne was cooking. 19:22.150 --> 19:25.654 [SPEAKER_00]: Put Delee chicken on the counter and told her to quote, eat it. 19:26.014 --> 19:26.855 [SPEAKER_00]: It's been poisoned. 19:27.416 --> 19:35.344 [SPEAKER_00]: She then looked outside at Christmas lights and said, 19:35.324 --> 19:39.033 [SPEAKER_00]: Stephanie's concerning behaviors weren't limited to doomsday jigs. 19:39.495 --> 19:46.111 [SPEAKER_00]: Stephanie would leave the door open when she went to the bathroom and she had threatened Leanne's six-year-old daughter regarding her proximity to the door. 19:46.151 --> 19:51.966 [SPEAKER_00]: And a move out of the film, the front room, Stephanie started to struggle with bathroom hygiene. 19:51.946 --> 19:57.375 [SPEAKER_00]: The description made it sound like Stephanie was, shall we say, no longer having solid bowel movements. 19:57.896 --> 20:04.948 [SPEAKER_00]: Her inability to care for herself had her leaving fecal matter on the edge of the toilet and on the bathroom floor and countertop. 20:04.968 --> 20:08.233 [SPEAKER_00]: Because of this, the family stopped using that downstairs bathroom. 20:09.209 --> 20:18.585 [SPEAKER_00]: By January 2018, Stephanie's behavior became so concerning and unsafe, Eugene informed the millers that his wife and daughter had gone back to Montana for the time being. 20:19.307 --> 20:23.374 [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't read anything as to why Eugene and his family didn't just move out. 20:23.594 --> 20:28.062 [SPEAKER_00]: I know that that's easier said than done with rent, cost, and tight markets. 20:28.042 --> 20:33.228 [SPEAKER_00]: I am speculating that Eugene's criminal past didn't help him in finding a place to rent. 20:33.689 --> 20:53.053 [SPEAKER_00]: Not everyone wants a tenant with past charges of driving while suspended in the first and second degree, on two different occasions, a sult of a police officer which earned him two years in prison, three DUIs which earned him at least a year behind bars, two instances of possession of marijuana, yes that was in Washington, but it was back in 08. 20:53.033 --> 20:55.278 [SPEAKER_00]: and burglary of a home in Texas. 20:55.719 --> 21:00.671 [SPEAKER_00]: He also had 41 misdemeanors and failed to appear in court on 23 occasions. 21:01.914 --> 21:08.089 [SPEAKER_00]: Whoopsie, so that probably had a little bit to do with staying in that situation. 21:08.221 --> 21:08.602 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 21:09.803 --> 21:14.511 [SPEAKER_00]: The day after his family left, Eugene called APS to report his concerns about Stephanie. 21:14.931 --> 21:27.090 [SPEAKER_00]: These concerns consisted of, but were not limited to her staying in her bedroom all the time, urinating and defecating in her room, eating spoiled food, and that overall her mental health was in bad shape. 21:27.070 --> 21:31.516 [SPEAKER_00]: when APS showed up about two weeks later, why the rush, guys? 21:31.596 --> 21:34.080 [SPEAKER_00]: They tried to check in with Stephanie. 21:34.501 --> 21:40.409 [SPEAKER_00]: She told them to contact her friend and landlord, Georgia, since she wouldn't cooperate the APS agent started to leave. 21:41.410 --> 21:48.901 [SPEAKER_00]: As he did, Eugene stopped him and said that he was concerned that Stephanie would take things even further and do something rash like burn the house down. 21:49.482 --> 21:55.390 [SPEAKER_00]: And forming the agent, his family was gone because of Stephanie still wasn't enough to get the agent to do more. 21:56.180 --> 22:04.096 [SPEAKER_00]: Five days later, at 1.30 a.m. on January 23, 2018, Eugene called the police, stating he and his roommate had had an incident. 22:04.637 --> 22:07.543 [SPEAKER_00]: Officers arrived and found the house in a bit of disarray. 22:07.583 --> 22:09.908 [SPEAKER_00]: A radio and flashlight run the ground. 22:10.309 --> 22:11.852 [SPEAKER_00]: A dining room chair was knocked over. 22:11.872 --> 22:13.395 [SPEAKER_00]: A picture frame was broken. 22:13.375 --> 22:18.281 [SPEAKER_00]: Eugene explained that he had been sleeping and woke up to find Stephanie throwing those objects. 22:18.702 --> 22:20.384 [SPEAKER_00]: He then explained the deal with his family. 22:20.404 --> 22:26.051 [SPEAKER_00]: Stephanie's mental health, basically she was yelling at him that he was a horrible man. 22:27.353 --> 22:29.816 [SPEAKER_00]: Sounds like they were both taking issue with each other. 22:30.937 --> 22:40.429 [SPEAKER_00]: Hold on to your butt, Josh, because while he was speaking with the officers, he asked if they knew of a book, which has become one of our favorite films, burnt offerings. 22:41.236 --> 22:43.761 [SPEAKER_01]: You are the people who are to rent this house. 22:43.841 --> 22:45.203 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait a minute. 22:45.223 --> 22:45.704 [SPEAKER_01]: $900. 22:45.724 --> 22:47.928 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's worth it. 22:47.948 --> 22:48.309 [SPEAKER_02]: It's worth it. 22:48.369 --> 22:49.671 [SPEAKER_02]: It's one other thing. 22:50.613 --> 22:51.635 [SPEAKER_02]: Hardly a cash. 22:51.775 --> 22:56.764 [SPEAKER_02]: They thought it was the answer to their dreams, but it was the beginning of a nightmare. 22:57.976 --> 23:12.138 [SPEAKER_02]: In this old house, up this staircase, behind this locked door, something lives, something strange, something powerful, something evil. 23:13.920 --> 23:26.700 [SPEAKER_02]: It will possess this woman, it will destroy this man, it will terrify this child, 23:27.271 --> 23:33.359 [SPEAKER_00]: So Josh, if you could, would you give the listeners a little description of burnt offerings? 23:34.200 --> 23:47.018 [SPEAKER_05]: It's about an unhappy family, a husband wife, 10-year-old son, who we're looking for a place to stay for the summer, and they find a deal that is too sweet to pass up. 23:46.998 --> 23:50.704 [SPEAKER_05]: to pay $900 to rent this mansion for three months. 23:51.245 --> 23:57.576 [SPEAKER_05]: And they move in with their old Betty Davis and the house starts to possess them. 23:57.876 --> 24:09.315 [SPEAKER_00]: And the only caveat is that the two owners tell them that they basically have to babysit their mother who lives up in the attic, but does not come out. 24:09.335 --> 24:13.562 [SPEAKER_00]: You just have to lay a tray of food out for her, but no one ever sees her. 24:13.863 --> 24:15.025 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, it's a really messed up. 24:15.045 --> 24:15.946 [SPEAKER_05]: We've only seen the movie. 24:15.966 --> 24:16.947 [SPEAKER_05]: I have not read the book yet. 24:17.308 --> 24:18.910 [SPEAKER_05]: It's a real bleak movie. 24:19.131 --> 24:20.913 [SPEAKER_05]: It really fit in with our January. 24:20.933 --> 24:24.618 [SPEAKER_05]: We're watching it where I'll just a lot of those characters. 24:24.719 --> 24:25.279 [SPEAKER_05]: Don't make it. 24:25.480 --> 24:25.700 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:26.101 --> 24:39.600 [SPEAKER_05]: It has a much better feel and is much more successful than something like the original Amityville horror, which is essentially the same sort of idea, but it's not as overt with demonic voices and flies choking rod stiger and stuff like that. 24:39.580 --> 24:43.426 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's really you kind of spend the time going just like the characters you're going. 24:43.466 --> 24:44.207 [SPEAKER_00]: What's going on? 24:44.928 --> 24:46.711 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything's just kind of off a little bit. 24:47.051 --> 24:52.019 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm curious how much he talks about this book with the cops. 24:52.039 --> 24:52.840 [SPEAKER_05]: Are you talking to the cops? 24:52.860 --> 24:56.425 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he brings it up with the cops and I'll mention it when he does it again later. 24:56.525 --> 25:04.457 [SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like the only relatable part is that there is an older woman locked in a bedroom that no one sees. 25:05.112 --> 25:18.369 [SPEAKER_00]: But I also think, and as the story goes on, you might agree, that her presence, even though she wasn't around, was affecting the house and his mental health and his family was gone now and he blamed her for that and like a haunting. 25:18.589 --> 25:24.858 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the officers then attempted to speak with Stephanie, which they were eventually able to do through the door. 25:25.418 --> 25:28.022 [SPEAKER_00]: Eugene was told he was basically screwed. 25:28.582 --> 25:32.908 [SPEAKER_00]: Stephanie was a resident and he would have to just wait until she was evicted or moved out. 25:32.888 --> 25:33.889 [SPEAKER_00]: Eugene was pissed. 25:34.210 --> 25:39.256 [SPEAKER_00]: He complained to the officers that he was the one footing the bill for the heat and electricity, and they didn't care. 25:39.296 --> 25:42.580 [SPEAKER_00]: roommate, tenant, and landlord laws are a nightmare. 25:43.361 --> 25:47.466 [SPEAKER_00]: By the end of the month, everyone was coming together to try to get Stephanie the help she needed. 25:47.946 --> 25:52.252 [SPEAKER_00]: Georgia spoke with APS about her concerns regarding Stephanie, especially her medication. 25:52.752 --> 25:57.478 [SPEAKER_00]: The two met at the house and spoke with Stephanie for about 15 minutes before she let them into the bedroom. 25:58.039 --> 26:02.524 [SPEAKER_00]: During one of these conversations, Stephanie claimed Eugene had physically harmed her, 26:02.504 --> 26:04.688 [SPEAKER_00]: and had threatened to kill her and her dog. 26:05.890 --> 26:08.395 [SPEAKER_00]: The bedroom was as bad as they worried it would be. 26:08.775 --> 26:18.112 [SPEAKER_00]: Collections and odors of garbage and human waste, Stephanie was sitting on a mattress on the floor, dressed in dirty clothes, and had clearly not showered in quite some time. 26:18.613 --> 26:22.179 [SPEAKER_00]: When the agent expressed concern and tried to help, Stephanie refused. 26:22.620 --> 26:27.128 [SPEAKER_00]: With his hands legally tied, the agent left his info and left the home. 26:27.108 --> 26:34.441 [SPEAKER_00]: For the next few weeks, Georgia did her best to try and find a place for Stephanie to live and to be cared for, but she had no luck. 26:34.461 --> 26:39.850 [SPEAKER_00]: In mid-February, the APS agent returned to try to talk Stephanie into going with him, she again refused. 26:40.351 --> 26:45.060 [SPEAKER_00]: When the agent returned on March 2nd, Stephanie claimed that she was being held captive in the home. 26:45.561 --> 26:49.808 [SPEAKER_00]: The agent suggested they take her dog for a walk, but she wouldn't leave the room. 26:49.788 --> 26:54.393 [SPEAKER_00]: By the visit on March 23, Stephanie was no longer opening the door to the agent. 26:54.954 --> 26:59.258 [SPEAKER_00]: When spring break came around, Eugene's wife and daughter came from Montana for a visit. 26:59.699 --> 27:09.129 [SPEAKER_00]: While there, Leanne suggested that Eugene get another roommate, preferably a woman, because according to her, a female roommate would pay rent on time and help keep the place clean. 27:09.850 --> 27:12.132 [SPEAKER_00]: Eugene wasn't keen on the idea. 27:12.152 --> 27:12.212 [SPEAKER_00]: Eh? 27:13.393 --> 27:14.595 [SPEAKER_05]: I like that. 27:14.975 --> 27:15.496 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought you heard. 27:15.856 --> 27:16.757 [SPEAKER_00]: Of a roommate. 27:16.737 --> 27:19.341 [SPEAKER_00]: as they were starting to run out of space in the house. 27:20.343 --> 27:25.511 [SPEAKER_00]: When Leanne and her daughter went back to Montana, Eugene was disbondent and turned his focus to work. 27:25.971 --> 27:28.575 [SPEAKER_00]: Another distraction was Eugene's grown son, Caylan. 27:28.876 --> 27:33.002 [SPEAKER_00]: The two lived so close, they saw each other daily and would often do yard work. 27:33.022 --> 27:43.639 [SPEAKER_00]: During one of those times, on March 31st, Eugene's arms and face were badly scratched while packing bags with leaves and pruning vines, injuries that were noticed by Leanne during her visit. 27:43.619 --> 27:54.675 [SPEAKER_00]: Eugene was also visited by his adult daughter Bailey several times a week through all of the daily visits, Kaylin only saw Stephanie two or three times, Bailey never laid eyes on her. 27:55.556 --> 28:03.909 [SPEAKER_00]: When April came around, Stephanie's living conditions were beyond destitute, her closet stored rotting food, the pads for her poodle had become her bathroom. 28:04.349 --> 28:06.893 [SPEAKER_00]: She was now never leaving the room. 28:06.873 --> 28:15.193 [SPEAKER_00]: On Tuesday, April 3, 2018, Georgia went to Seattle at the same time her husband Stanley and a social worker went to visit Stephanie. 28:15.654 --> 28:19.323 [SPEAKER_00]: For two hours, they tried to talk her into signing paperwork to get housing. 28:19.824 --> 28:23.633 [SPEAKER_00]: She told them to come back on Friday, but they weren't buying into that game. 28:23.613 --> 28:30.502 [SPEAKER_00]: The social worker left and just like with the other APS employee, Eugene stopped him and begged him to do something about Stephanie. 28:31.102 --> 28:31.924 [SPEAKER_00]: But his hands were tied. 28:31.964 --> 28:36.649 [SPEAKER_00]: She was an adult and if she didn't want to sign or get help, she did not have to. 28:37.230 --> 28:44.499 [SPEAKER_00]: This sent Eugene over the edge as he ranted about how his situation and costumes family and that this guy was as useless as everyone else. 28:45.080 --> 28:48.945 [SPEAKER_00]: He saw the 28:50.275 --> 28:52.638 [SPEAKER_00]: The remainder of April 3 went as follows. 28:53.199 --> 28:58.465 [SPEAKER_00]: After the social worker left Bailey and her son came by the house from 4.30 to 6.30 pm. 28:58.966 --> 29:02.631 [SPEAKER_00]: At that time, the three left the home to run errands until 8 pm. 29:03.071 --> 29:06.235 [SPEAKER_00]: Bailey noted her father seemed like his happy normal self. 29:06.816 --> 29:09.840 [SPEAKER_00]: From 9 to 10.30, Kaelyn went to the house. 29:09.860 --> 29:12.203 [SPEAKER_00]: He also said his father was acting totally normal. 29:12.703 --> 29:15.507 [SPEAKER_00]: As usual, neither of Eugene's children saw Stephanie. 29:15.988 --> 29:19.472 [SPEAKER_00]: When Eugene went to bed, he set the alarm as he always did. 29:19.452 --> 29:24.399 [SPEAKER_00]: In the early afternoon of the fourth, Bailey went by her dad's place, everything seemed fine. 29:24.960 --> 29:32.450 [SPEAKER_00]: That day was a Wednesday, the night before Trash Day, so between 6.30 and 7.PM, Eugene took his trash and recycling to the curb. 29:32.991 --> 29:36.696 [SPEAKER_00]: Kalin swung by around 9.PM and the guys had a cigarette on the porch. 29:37.276 --> 29:40.681 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything was like it always was and Kalin went home around 11.PM. 29:41.202 --> 29:43.485 [SPEAKER_00]: Eugene said the alarm and went to bed. 29:43.465 --> 29:53.934 [SPEAKER_00]: The next day, Thursday, April 5th, was trashed collection day, a neighbor of Eugene's and a woman after my own heart, heard the trash trucks and ran to get her bins to the curb and time. 29:54.456 --> 29:58.487 [SPEAKER_00]: Looking up, the neighbor spotted Eugene on his porch smoking a cigarette. 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32:28.582 [SPEAKER_00]: and when it hit the truck, it made a loud thud. 32:29.182 --> 32:42.800 [SPEAKER_00]: He continued on with his work and took the contents of his truck to the recycling center, where it arrived at 126 p.m. At 10 a.m., the social worker returned and hoped he could get a phone call going between Stephanie and another APS agent. 32:43.241 --> 32:48.267 [SPEAKER_00]: The plan was to skip the unsigned paperwork and get verbal permission to start looking for housing. 32:48.247 --> 32:57.191 [SPEAKER_00]: While the social worker knocked on Stephanie's door, probably expecting the same level of difficulty he had been met with on previous occasions, he was instead met with silence. 32:57.752 --> 33:04.129 [SPEAKER_00]: While Eugene sat in a living room, the social worker knocked and knocked before opening the bedroom door, which didn't have a lock. 33:04.109 --> 33:08.355 [SPEAKER_00]: Going into the room, Stephanie was not sitting on the mattress as he was expecting. 33:08.916 --> 33:12.340 [SPEAKER_00]: He started moving blankets looking around, but there was no sign of her. 33:12.941 --> 33:16.626 [SPEAKER_00]: In the room, we're all of her belongings, including her purse and suitcase. 33:17.107 --> 33:19.410 [SPEAKER_00]: Most alarming was that her poodle remained in the room. 33:19.851 --> 33:24.998 [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing that was noted as being missing beside Stephanie was a tan blanket from her bed. 33:25.599 --> 33:29.965 [SPEAKER_00]: While the social worker went to check the basement, Eugene went upstairs to look for her there. 33:29.945 --> 33:36.272 [SPEAKER_00]: The search quickly expanded to the neighborhood and nearby school grounds, APS was called and informed of the situation. 33:36.713 --> 33:42.840 [SPEAKER_00]: They started contacting jails, shelters, hospitals, when there was no sign of Stephanie a missing person's report was filed. 33:43.521 --> 33:47.425 [SPEAKER_00]: While the search for Stephanie was underway, a piece of the puzzle was being discovered. 33:47.886 --> 33:53.252 [SPEAKER_00]: At 415 p.m., a human body started to come down the pre-sortline at the recycling center. 33:53.232 --> 33:56.380 [SPEAKER_00]: The body was naked from the waist down with the exception of socks. 33:56.781 --> 33:58.525 [SPEAKER_00]: The upper body had three layers on. 33:58.966 --> 34:01.813 [SPEAKER_00]: The police were called, and the body was taken to the medical examiner. 34:02.395 --> 34:07.167 [SPEAKER_00]: And the reason I mentioned her dog suit case and purse is that she never left without those. 34:08.490 --> 34:10.836 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was a big, big red flag. 34:11.677 --> 34:18.807 [SPEAKER_00]: An autopsy took place but not until the ME removed the glass, postcards, dirt and garbage that had become stuck to Stephanie's body. 34:19.328 --> 34:26.939 [SPEAKER_00]: The exam showed Stephanie had sustained many injuries before her death after she was dead and many others whose timing could not be determined. 34:27.440 --> 34:34.410 [SPEAKER_00]: Some of the injuries were found to have taken place while Stephanie was put into the recycling bin dumped into the truck and dumped onto the belt. 34:34.390 --> 34:44.579 [SPEAKER_00]: The injuries that could be proven to have been pre-mortem were a bruise on Stephanie's leg, shin, foot, her left arm, chest, armpit, nose, eyes, forehead, and cheeks. 34:45.040 --> 34:49.884 [SPEAKER_00]: She had defensive wounds on her left wrist and fingers, and lacerations on her left eyebrow. 34:50.384 --> 34:53.567 [SPEAKER_00]: Her nose, right eye, jaw, and neck all had fractures. 34:54.168 --> 34:57.050 [SPEAKER_00]: After her death, her left arm and skull were fractured. 34:57.511 --> 35:04.397 [SPEAKER_00]: It could not be determined if the rib fractures occurred as she was being beaten to death, 35:04.377 --> 35:10.744 [SPEAKER_00]: The next day, the investigation into Stephanie's murder began, to clarify, we know that it's Stephanie. 35:11.184 --> 35:13.387 [SPEAKER_00]: The detectives still did not have an ID. 35:14.048 --> 35:18.953 [SPEAKER_00]: Starting at the plant, investigators were able to narrow down which trucks may have brought the body in. 35:19.594 --> 35:27.162 [SPEAKER_00]: Cross-referencing those with missing persons reports, they were able to narrow it down and realized they had found Stephanie Stanton. 35:27.817 --> 35:29.562 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that deserves a good police bill. 35:29.823 --> 35:34.678 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, it's kind of one plus one equals two, but hey. 35:34.718 --> 35:37.125 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm happy for the simple math. 35:37.466 --> 35:38.710 [SPEAKER_05]: I like what it will for. 35:38.750 --> 35:39.171 [SPEAKER_05]: It equals. 35:39.272 --> 35:40.054 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's nice. 35:41.232 --> 35:48.664 [SPEAKER_00]: Knowing this, officers went to the rental home where they found Eugene on the porch, his shoulders slumped, hand shaking, appearing to be hung over. 35:49.305 --> 35:57.238 [SPEAKER_00]: When officers told Eugene they were investigating a missing person, he informed them of the mentally unwell roommate he had, but that he hadn't seen her in over a month. 35:57.959 --> 35:59.902 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, then the story was three weeks. 36:00.604 --> 36:05.772 [SPEAKER_00]: They asked if she was home and he said she might be because the dog was there and she never left. 36:05.752 --> 36:09.859 [SPEAKER_00]: Officers went to Stephanie's bedroom and saw the horrible conditions she'd been living in. 36:10.339 --> 36:11.722 [SPEAKER_00]: Her poodle stood in the corner. 36:12.183 --> 36:18.072 [SPEAKER_00]: The home was searched for hours as part of the investigation, and there appeared to be no sign of forced entry or foul play. 36:18.733 --> 36:22.900 [SPEAKER_00]: Eugene didn't say much, but he once again referenced burnt offerings. 36:23.521 --> 36:26.748 [SPEAKER_00]: When questioned, Eugene told the story about his wife and kid leaving. 36:27.129 --> 36:31.118 [SPEAKER_00]: Turing the home with a detective, Eugene went to the basement where a calendar was found. 36:31.739 --> 36:41.040 [SPEAKER_00]: It was marked for when Stephanie had had a bad day or was behaving poorly, incidents like speaking in tongues, yelling, banging on the walls. 36:41.020 --> 36:44.424 [SPEAKER_00]: Eugene was then asked to go to the station to make a formal statement. 36:44.845 --> 36:48.750 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't get much from him because once he arrived, he quickly requested a lawyer. 36:48.790 --> 36:52.515 [SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm not saying that anyone should get away with murder. 36:53.116 --> 37:03.309 [SPEAKER_00]: If this guy just played dumb and said that she had left, and she was unmedicated, you know, it's not that much different from when she found out about the Ireland trip, and she took her stuff and left. 37:03.589 --> 37:05.632 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, there's a record of instability. 37:05.672 --> 37:08.175 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that a villain could exploit. 37:08.155 --> 37:27.565 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and if he had done any of those things like gotten rid of her stuff, the cops would have stopped caring about a mentally unwell elderly woman pretty darn quickly, but because he didn't cooperate with goodness, they were able to get warrants for the house for Eugene and for his phone. 37:27.545 --> 37:29.387 [SPEAKER_05]: Not so handy after all. 37:29.948 --> 37:30.628 [SPEAKER_00]: Ah, not quite. 37:30.688 --> 37:31.970 [SPEAKER_00]: Your jean, your dipshit? 37:33.912 --> 37:39.258 [SPEAKER_00]: Upon deeper inspection, blood stains were discovered in the living room as well as a bloody shirt. 37:39.758 --> 37:42.481 [SPEAKER_00]: This blood would later be proven to belong to Eugene. 37:42.962 --> 37:45.485 [SPEAKER_00]: The trash and recycle bins were also recovered. 37:45.745 --> 37:53.113 [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing of note was found in either although the liquid at the bottom of the recycling bin was tested and found the presence of Stephanie's blood. 37:53.093 --> 37:59.783 [SPEAKER_00]: The sample was very degraded, though, because it had been a few days, and there were issues with bacteria and rainwater, things like that. 38:00.684 --> 38:03.929 [SPEAKER_00]: While the cans were checked, another detective went through Eugene's phone. 38:04.610 --> 38:11.821 [SPEAKER_00]: Strangely, Eugene was getting text messages from strangers on Craigslist, asking about the room he had available for rent. 38:12.462 --> 38:19.472 [SPEAKER_00]: Working backwards, it was found Eugene had posted an ad to Craigslist, 38:19.452 --> 38:25.061 [SPEAKER_00]: The ad listed the room as being private with its own bathroom, and that it was available now. 38:25.642 --> 38:29.267 [SPEAKER_00]: The only room in the house that fit that description was Stephanie's. 38:30.489 --> 38:36.298 [SPEAKER_00]: The ad not only had the address of Eugene's rental, but it was through his cell phone and it was signed Gene. 38:36.839 --> 38:47.856 [SPEAKER_00]: It read in part, have rooms available, professionals or students, no drama, safe house, looking for someone who can appreciate and respect each other, ladies only, sorry fellows. 38:47.836 --> 38:52.783 [SPEAKER_00]: Not only did Eugene not have permission to sublet, but Georgia wouldn't have allowed him to. 38:52.824 --> 39:04.461 [SPEAKER_00]: While the detectives continued to search the house, Kaylin came over and started packing Eugene's things, saying they were concerned for his safety and he was going to live somewhere else, although no one knew where that would be. 39:04.441 --> 39:10.370 [SPEAKER_00]: Before he could leave, Eugene's clothing was collected as were swabs from the scratches on his hands, arms and face. 39:10.951 --> 39:15.759 [SPEAKER_00]: Eugene claimed that he had plaques riusis and it didn't take much for him to split his skin and bleed. 39:16.340 --> 39:19.665 [SPEAKER_00]: They attempted to collect fingernail clippings but his nails were too short. 39:20.466 --> 39:26.897 [SPEAKER_00]: On the 12th, the millers went to the home and found the back door open and Eugene, along with all of his belongings, gone. 39:27.478 --> 39:28.980 [SPEAKER_00]: They changed the locks. 39:28.960 --> 39:37.012 [SPEAKER_00]: Forensic testing showed the blood in the recycling bin belong to Stephanie, the blood on Eugene's clothing was only his as was the blood in the living room. 39:37.492 --> 39:41.017 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, none of Stephanie's blood was found inside the home. 39:41.878 --> 39:49.890 [SPEAKER_00]: Stephanie's fingernail scrapings found blood in a small amount of male DNA which was too little to test, same went for the swab taken from her face. 39:50.431 --> 39:55.558 [SPEAKER_00]: Other tests showed mixtures but they were too contaminated from the treatment of her body to be reliable. 39:55.538 --> 40:06.430 [SPEAKER_00]: Plus, by then, she'd gone through the recycling process, so there was no telling, you know, the debris that was on her or across contamination DNA, she'd be impossible to process. 40:06.450 --> 40:07.995 [SPEAKER_00]: It was too unreliable. 40:08.920 --> 40:17.014 [SPEAKER_00]: Having so much evidence, it didn't come as a surprise that Eugene Jump was charged with one count of murder in the second degree for the death of Stephanie Stanton. 40:17.474 --> 40:26.189 [SPEAKER_00]: The state alleged that Eugene was actually a sulting Stephanie and while doing so, she died, but that he was not purposely trying to murder her. 40:26.870 --> 40:32.059 [SPEAKER_00]: Along with the charge, the state requested an aggravated sentence due to her fragility and vulnerability. 40:32.478 --> 40:35.962 [SPEAKER_00]: The issue at the time was that they didn't know where Eugene had gone. 40:36.523 --> 40:40.988 [SPEAKER_00]: When he learned that he was wanted for Stephanie's murder, he's sort of turned himself in. 40:41.589 --> 40:43.151 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't go to the police right away. 40:43.211 --> 40:46.134 [SPEAKER_00]: He went instead to the new station KHQ. 40:46.194 --> 41:01.472 [SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, he went to the station, stood at the front doors, and while utilizing the inner calm, he complained about the media's portrayal of him, claiming that he was 41:01.452 --> 41:06.078 [SPEAKER_05]: sounds like he's spiraling a little bit just a little but this is on his way to the police station. 41:06.138 --> 41:12.126 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes after the after the stop by the new station to proclaim his innocence he then went to the police station. 41:12.967 --> 41:15.791 [SPEAKER_00]: And once there he was arrested and properly charged. 41:16.272 --> 41:18.294 [SPEAKER_00]: He jeans bail was set at one million dollars. 41:18.815 --> 41:26.866 [SPEAKER_00]: Besides pleading not guilty his team tried to have the case dismissed based on insufficient evidence as there was no proof of an assault that was denied. 41:27.306 --> 41:30.210 [SPEAKER_00]: They tried to dismiss it again. 41:30.190 --> 41:38.222 [SPEAKER_00]: Eugene's alibi was that during the time prosecutors claimed Stephanie was killed he spent the day at work in the evening at the Spokane Addiction Recovery Center. 41:38.863 --> 41:47.677 [SPEAKER_00]: This was moved as for exact time of death was only narrowed down to the late hours of April 3rd into the early hours of April 4th when he said he was home. 41:48.278 --> 41:54.848 [SPEAKER_00]: Eugene's defense claimed Stephanie was killed by a burglar who had entered the home and confronted her in the bedroom. 41:54.828 --> 42:01.658 [SPEAKER_00]: Another contradiction to his own story, as he said that he was always setting the alarm, and it did not go off that night. 42:02.680 --> 42:07.907 [SPEAKER_00]: According to Eugene, quote, My God, nobody kills somebody because they're dirty. 42:07.967 --> 42:12.013 [SPEAKER_00]: Except it was clear her hygiene wasn't the main issue. 42:12.054 --> 42:22.489 [SPEAKER_00]: It was an issue, but her behavior had in Eugene's eyes, 42:22.469 --> 42:24.673 [SPEAKER_00]: Disagree about her reason for leaving. 42:25.194 --> 42:35.215 [SPEAKER_00]: While he was saying it was due to Stephanie, she told the court she didn't leave because of her, she went to Montana to get the rest of their belongings, with a plan to return fairly quickly. 42:35.776 --> 42:40.866 [SPEAKER_00]: She had only taken her daughter with her because they hadn't found a daycare in Spokane they could afford. 42:40.846 --> 42:44.754 [SPEAKER_00]: She didn't return as soon as she wanted because there was a snowstorm. 42:45.155 --> 42:55.075 [SPEAKER_00]: The plan changed into her staying in Montana through the end of the school year to allow for as little disruption to her daughter's life as possible, all of which had nothing to do with Stephanie. 42:55.477 --> 42:57.401 [SPEAKER_05]: Eugene, what do you think? 42:57.421 --> 43:03.075 [SPEAKER_00]: That's another weird one because every time he could, he was saying, this has cost me my family. 43:03.455 --> 43:06.262 [SPEAKER_00]: Had to move because of her, my wife and daughter aren't here because of her. 43:06.783 --> 43:10.371 [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever variation he was saying to anyone that would hear him. 43:10.492 --> 43:12.897 [SPEAKER_00]: He was saying this and then even his own wife is like, what? 43:13.318 --> 43:14.160 [SPEAKER_00]: No? 43:14.140 --> 43:23.732 [SPEAKER_00]: The state argued that in the few times Stephanie had even left her room, let alone the house, she had always been with Georgia, she took her purse, suitcase, and dog. 43:24.212 --> 43:35.406 [SPEAKER_00]: They also pointed out that Eugene had no mode of personal transportation so it would make sense that he would put Stephanie's body in the recycling bin as it would be the only way he could have disposed of her. 43:35.386 --> 43:45.820 [SPEAKER_00]: Eugene's violin history, the forensic evidence, and the motive, led to the jury finding Eugene jump guilty of murder in the second degree, and they agreed with the aggravated circumstances. 43:46.381 --> 43:50.046 [SPEAKER_00]: So did the judge, who sentenced 54-year-old Eugene to? 43:50.066 --> 43:50.506 [SPEAKER_00]: Give me a guess, Josh. 43:50.526 --> 43:50.707 [SPEAKER_00]: 12 years. 43:50.727 --> 43:50.907 [UNKNOWN]: 25 years. 43:50.927 --> 43:51.007 [UNKNOWN]: Wow. 43:51.027 --> 43:51.588 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you believe it? 43:51.648 --> 43:52.950 [SPEAKER_00]: Good judge, Dingling. 43:52.970 --> 44:00.600 [SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 44:01.357 --> 44:07.427 [SPEAKER_00]: 25 years, which is impressive because the argument for assault is pretty weak. 44:08.749 --> 44:12.114 [SPEAKER_00]: But, all the other evidence is like dude, who else is doing this? 44:13.397 --> 44:22.892 [SPEAKER_00]: Eugene, of course, filed an appeal, he claimed the jury was not unbiased and his trial was unfair as some information had been leaked to the media and they wouldn't change the venue. 44:22.872 --> 44:30.281 [SPEAKER_00]: The issue with these complaints was his team failed to show any proof that the jury had seen or been influenced by the media coverage. 44:30.742 --> 44:31.843 [SPEAKER_00]: The appeal was denied. 44:32.284 --> 44:35.928 [SPEAKER_00]: Eugene Job will be 79 years old when released in 2044. 44:36.709 --> 44:42.737 [SPEAKER_00]: Unless, of course, he only serves like five years and he's out like tomorrow, which could always happen. 44:45.282 --> 44:52.972 [SPEAKER_00]: For our last story, I'll once again warn listeners that it doesn't involve the death of a newborn, so do with that information what you need to. 44:53.012 --> 44:57.137 [SPEAKER_00]: The Swan Island area of North Portland is heavily industrial. 44:57.357 --> 45:09.973 [SPEAKER_00]: In that part of what is technically North East Portland, the Swan Island Basin is a 117 acre mile long in water area of the east side of the Willamette River located north of downtown Portland. 45:09.953 --> 45:18.761 [SPEAKER_00]: The Swan Island Basin and the surrounding Upland areas, like Moxbottom and Swan Island, have been a major industrial location for commerce since the 1920s. 45:19.322 --> 45:29.371 [SPEAKER_00]: Originally, an island with channels on both sides, Swan Island was connected to the east side of the Willamette in the 1920s by filling part of the east channel to create a causeway. 45:30.492 --> 45:31.653 [SPEAKER_00]: More fun facts. 45:31.894 --> 45:33.315 [SPEAKER_00]: That was a fun fact, I didn't know that. 45:33.435 --> 45:35.077 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, get ready for this fun fact. 45:35.557 --> 45:37.699 [SPEAKER_00]: Swan Island was the original site? 45:37.679 --> 45:40.443 [SPEAKER_00]: of the Portland Airport until the 1940s. 45:41.845 --> 45:48.756 [SPEAKER_00]: During World War II, at the request of the U.S. government, a major shipyard was constructed with worker housing to support the war effort. 45:49.236 --> 45:59.552 [SPEAKER_00]: After the war, Swan Island and the adjacent Moxbottom area became a major center in Portland for ship repair, industrial distribution, warehousing, commercial, and manufacturing activities. 45:59.532 --> 46:12.945 [SPEAKER_00]: In 2001, EFI recycling opened on the Swan Island Basin, the recycling company is family-owned and one of the largest in the Pacific Northwest, focusing on recycling cardboard, plastic film, magazines, newspapers, and paper. 46:13.706 --> 46:24.477 [SPEAKER_00]: While I can't imagine the bizarre items that the employees at the center have come across through the years, nothing could have prepared them for what they found on the belt, the morning of May 28, 2013. 46:24.457 --> 46:27.981 [SPEAKER_00]: Amongst the garbage and recycling was the body of a newborn baby. 46:28.402 --> 46:35.771 [SPEAKER_00]: With her umbilical cord still attached, she weighed just over five pounds, and it was apparent the baby had been born only a day or two prior. 46:36.452 --> 46:45.503 [SPEAKER_00]: An autopsy showed the baby had been alive at some point, having taken breaths, but it was not clear how long the baby lives, and how long it had been since it had died. 46:46.024 --> 46:51.410 [SPEAKER_00]: All that was known was that the baby was a girl, she was black or of mixed race, and she was full-term. 46:51.831 --> 46:53.653 [SPEAKER_00]: The death was deemed a homicide. 46:53.633 --> 47:02.143 [SPEAKER_00]: As shocking as the discovery of a baby at the recycling plant was, it was even more upsetting when no one came forward looking for or claiming their baby. 47:02.724 --> 47:05.327 [SPEAKER_00]: The community rallied and dubbed her baby precious. 47:05.847 --> 47:15.779 [SPEAKER_00]: They hoped that by giving her a name paired with the police releasing hand and footprints to illustrate just how little she was, it would pull at the heartstrings of the involved parties and they would come forward. 47:16.159 --> 47:17.481 [SPEAKER_00]: But no one did. 47:17.461 --> 47:29.996 [SPEAKER_00]: One month later, and just three miles from the recycling plant on June 28th, 2013, Joyce Harris organized a service for baby pressures at Maranatha Church of God, drawing attendees from across the area. 47:30.497 --> 47:39.969 [SPEAKER_00]: Harris, recalling the news of baby pressures, said, whenever somebody died in the community and they didn't have family or anything, my grandmother would go around and collect money to bury them. 47:40.489 --> 47:46.877 [SPEAKER_00]: I picked her up, I held her, we dressed her, put the little bonnet on her head, and I remember I was holding her. 47:46.857 --> 47:50.481 [SPEAKER_00]: Other members of the community gathered and donated items for the service. 47:50.942 --> 47:55.207 [SPEAKER_00]: A white dress and hat with a hand-stitched pink flower were chosen for precious to wear. 47:55.728 --> 47:59.552 [SPEAKER_00]: She was placed in a light pink coffin decorated with pink roses and carnations. 48:00.133 --> 48:02.415 [SPEAKER_00]: On top of the casket sat a pink teddy bear. 48:03.096 --> 48:15.531 [SPEAKER_00]: Baby precious was lowered into the ground via two rainbow colored ropes at Riverview Cemetery, Terry family funeral home and Riverview Cemetery donated funeral and burial costs. 48:15.511 --> 48:21.320 [SPEAKER_00]: who would do this to a child, let alone a newborn, was the mother involved or just another victim? 48:22.061 --> 48:28.952 [SPEAKER_00]: Two detectives working the case tried to trace baby precious as origins, and the steps it took to get her body onto that conveyor belt. 48:29.613 --> 48:37.165 [SPEAKER_00]: Detectives Christina Coffee and Eric Cameron were the lead investigators, diligently attempting to trace the baby's initial location. 48:37.145 --> 48:45.617 [SPEAKER_00]: They pursued leads by tracking garbage trucks and analyzing routes and CCTV footage throughout Portland, but these efforts ultimately yielded no progress. 48:46.158 --> 48:52.967 [SPEAKER_00]: Because Baby Precious still had her umbilical cord, DNA from the placenta was sent to the OSP crime lab protesting. 48:53.388 --> 48:58.275 [SPEAKER_00]: A DNA profile was created, but there were no matches in any DNA databases. 48:58.762 --> 49:09.238 [SPEAKER_00]: three years later to celebrate what would have been precious as third birthday and to remind the community of her unsolved murder, Portland police planted a yellow rose bush in her honor at the north precinct. 49:09.819 --> 49:15.528 [SPEAKER_00]: In May, 2019, six years after baby precious was found a detective Brendan McGuire took over the case. 49:15.989 --> 49:26.305 [SPEAKER_00]: He and Meredith Hooper, who collaborated on cold cases, including the Annemory Law of Conversation, were discussing new advancements 49:26.285 --> 49:30.090 [SPEAKER_00]: Believing baby pressures was a suitable case to test these advancements. 49:30.471 --> 49:38.402 [SPEAKER_00]: They sent blood samples to the state medical examiner's office, specifically to BODY labs, the Portland Police Bureau's primary partner. 49:38.963 --> 49:45.492 [SPEAKER_00]: Initial processing involved uploading the DNA to a consumer database, but no close matches to relatives came up. 49:46.568 --> 49:57.150 [SPEAKER_00]: Bodhi technology has been leading forensic science for over 25 years, working with the criminal justice system, they strive to create the most state-of-the-art technology to utilize DNA to solve cases. 49:57.751 --> 50:04.746 [SPEAKER_00]: They work in cases of forensic genetic genealogy, criminal data basing forensic services, paternity matters, and more. 50:04.726 --> 50:13.434 [SPEAKER_00]: In December of 2020, body labs informed detective McGuire that there had been other submissions to their lab, which created a closer match to baby precious. 50:14.054 --> 50:23.483 [SPEAKER_00]: Utilizing the email address attached to the DNA, which had been uploaded via an at-home DNA kit, they were able to narrow down the search to a person who had been adopted. 50:23.523 --> 50:34.733 [SPEAKER_00]: This was, in one way, a huge step toward finding baby precious as biological family, 50:34.713 --> 50:57.261 [SPEAKER_00]: With the new DNA information detective spent the next eight months going through adoption records through Utah and Idaho where they believed the connection originated. 50:57.241 --> 51:07.102 [SPEAKER_00]: It was discovered that in 2013, Al-Nath, then in his 40s, had a relationship with a 15-year-old girl, the mother named the baby Amara. 51:07.884 --> 51:16.482 [SPEAKER_00]: Now 53 years old, it was learned that when Al-Nath was in his 40s, he'd been in this relationship with the 15-year-old, and she ended up getting impregnated. 51:16.462 --> 51:22.648 [SPEAKER_00]: In addition to statutory rape, he also refused to let the girls seek medical attention throughout her pregnancy. 51:23.268 --> 51:31.596 [SPEAKER_00]: When it came time for baby pressures to be born, I'll not continue to keep her from going to the hospital, so she had to give birth on the kitchen floor of his apartment. 51:32.136 --> 51:38.382 [SPEAKER_00]: Leaving the new mother in pain and alone, I'll not took his newborn out of her mother's arms and left the apartment. 51:38.903 --> 51:44.848 [SPEAKER_00]: It was the mother's understanding that he was taking her to the hospital for treatment and to eventually be adopted. 51:44.828 --> 51:54.682 [SPEAKER_00]: Instead, Alnauth supposedly started walking toward the hospital with his newborn daughter in his arms, and as he did, baby pressures past away for unknown reasons. 51:55.223 --> 52:03.095 [SPEAKER_00]: He still didn't go to the hospital, though, presumably because he knew he would face consequences for his very illegal relationship with the 15-year-old. 52:03.716 --> 52:07.461 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not clear if he was ever going to go there in the first place. 52:07.441 --> 52:18.232 [SPEAKER_00]: It's believed that once he realized the baby was dead, he put her body into a random recycling container, which was then eventually picked up by a truck and it took the contents to the recycling center. 52:18.553 --> 52:20.539 [SPEAKER_00]: The next morning, she was discovered. 52:21.582 --> 52:35.682 [SPEAKER_00]: It was clear that the mother had nothing to do with baby precious as death, and September of 2023, Amara's case was presented to a grand jury by the Multnomah County District Attorney's Office, and Alnauth was indicted on two counts of second-degree manslaughter. 52:36.183 --> 52:41.170 [SPEAKER_00]: Two counts of first-degree criminal mistreatment, third-degree rape, and concealing the birth of an infant. 52:42.051 --> 52:49.902 [SPEAKER_00]: Taking a deal, Alnauth pleaded guilty to crimly negligent homicide, and was given a sentence 52:51.502 --> 53:08.059 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you can have that many counts and that many charges of manslaughter, criminal mistreatment, rape, and concealing the birth of an infant and it all gets well, compacted down into criminally negligent homicide for four years. 53:09.237 --> 53:15.264 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I hope for those involved in Baby Precious's case is that it will remind people of the safe haven law. 53:15.744 --> 53:19.348 [SPEAKER_00]: All 50 states have some version of what is called the safe haven law. 53:19.749 --> 53:31.482 [SPEAKER_00]: In Oregon, this law allows for babies up to 60 days old to be handed off to an authorized employee at a safe haven location, such as a hospital, a birthing center, a fire or police station. 53:31.462 --> 53:41.426 [SPEAKER_00]: The parent doesn't have to offer any identification for themselves or the child, as long as the child appears to be less than 60 days old and shows no signs of abuse or neglect. 53:41.847 --> 53:44.132 [SPEAKER_00]: It can be surrendered without consequence. 53:44.974 --> 53:47.580 [SPEAKER_00]: Not everyone is ready or able to be a parent, 53:47.560 --> 53:52.070 [SPEAKER_00]: And you aren't a bad person if you have to utilize the safe haven law, you're doing the right thing. 53:52.571 --> 53:57.943 [SPEAKER_00]: Baby Precious could have been taken to the hospital and left to be cared for, to grow up to live her life. 53:58.424 --> 54:05.400 [SPEAKER_00]: But her father, all-noth Oliver, was too concerned about covering up his nefarious relationship to keep her safe. 54:05.566 --> 54:17.684 [SPEAKER_00]: Unlike other states Oregon does not have safe haven boxes, but to find a safe haven location in any state, you can call 1-888-510-2229. 54:18.224 --> 54:31.624 [SPEAKER_05]: But this is back when Nichols meant something. 54:32.110 --> 54:33.051 [SPEAKER_05]: pennies existed. 54:33.071 --> 54:34.934 [SPEAKER_05]: Back when we were a proper country. 54:35.615 --> 54:36.556 [SPEAKER_05]: I wouldn't say that. 54:40.181 --> 54:41.703 [SPEAKER_05]: We never have been. 54:41.723 --> 54:42.504 [SPEAKER_05]: That's the one. 54:42.524 --> 54:48.892 [SPEAKER_05]: It's a work in progress and the work is going poorly at a moment. 54:49.313 --> 54:50.895 [SPEAKER_00]: What was that about not sleeping well? 54:51.719 --> 54:52.861 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, you know, it sucks. 54:52.901 --> 54:55.124 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just like, it doesn't matter what you do at home. 54:55.305 --> 54:56.667 [SPEAKER_05]: It doesn't matter what you do locally. 54:56.687 --> 55:08.966 [SPEAKER_05]: If every big company in the world is like Coca-Cola is making millions of plastic bottles every year, you can't fight that, especially because Coca-Cola is incredibly delicious. 55:09.788 --> 55:11.290 [SPEAKER_05]: It's the king of all soda pops. 55:12.732 --> 55:14.335 [SPEAKER_00]: How can I fight this flavor? 55:15.040 --> 55:16.382 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you've been hanging out with me too long. 55:17.003 --> 55:18.184 [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, definitely. 55:18.204 --> 55:19.366 [SPEAKER_00]: Here, you're getting riled. 55:20.367 --> 55:21.509 [SPEAKER_05]: Everything does suck. 55:23.992 --> 55:24.993 [SPEAKER_00]: Now that you mentioned it. 55:25.013 --> 55:32.824 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, I have an article open that I have not gotten to get, but I'm very excited to called the Nine Lives of MC Skatcat. 55:33.945 --> 55:34.626 [SPEAKER_00]: Shibuya, he. 55:34.686 --> 55:35.968 [SPEAKER_05]: Shibuya Hope. 55:36.826 --> 55:41.360 [SPEAKER_00]: Before, before, before, before, before, before, before. 55:41.380 --> 55:43.867 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome, welcome, we have a page one of this thing. 55:43.887 --> 55:45.211 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like for, oh, wow. 55:45.231 --> 55:45.773 [SPEAKER_00]: We're doing great. 55:46.310 --> 55:47.412 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you hear the word? 55:47.432 --> 55:52.279 [SPEAKER_00]: With that, and Eugene's handyman experience in mind. 55:52.759 --> 55:53.461 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh. 55:53.601 --> 55:53.701 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh. 55:54.863 --> 55:56.585 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we got a handyman. 55:57.446 --> 55:58.608 [SPEAKER_00]: I am speculative. 55:58.628 --> 55:59.429 [SPEAKER_00]: Spuck all item. 56:00.291 --> 56:01.072 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't have it open. 56:01.112 --> 56:02.113 [SPEAKER_00]: My innards would fall out. 56:02.874 --> 56:03.555 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, there'd be outwards. 56:05.578 --> 56:06.580 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god, what a horrible. 56:06.600 --> 56:08.082 [SPEAKER_05]: Somebody get my outwards. 56:08.686 --> 56:08.966 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. 56:09.046 --> 56:10.568 [SPEAKER_05]: That whole area wants to fall out. 56:11.609 --> 56:13.050 [SPEAKER_05]: Doesn't with the gravity, you know? 56:13.130 --> 56:13.891 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just the gravity. 56:13.911 --> 56:14.371 [SPEAKER_05]: It's tired. 56:14.431 --> 56:16.233 [SPEAKER_05]: It's tired and it all wants to fall in. 56:16.754 --> 56:19.737 [SPEAKER_05]: From the neck down, it all wants to fall out of your ass. 56:20.417 --> 56:21.378 [SPEAKER_05]: Lungs and everything. 56:22.299 --> 56:23.140 [SPEAKER_05]: Bones and all. 56:23.160 --> 56:24.181 [SPEAKER_05]: Ah! 56:24.921 --> 56:25.842 [SPEAKER_05]: The dog had a suitcase. 56:27.344 --> 56:37.073 [SPEAKER_00]: I wish, well, blind poodle, if it was suitcase, be in sassy. 56:40.732 --> 56:47.029 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.