[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to a joint morehounds and properly powered podcast covering a night of the 7 Kingdoms on HBO Max.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm John with me today.
[SPEAKER_01]: She bites the head off of her lettuce before going into the jousting arena, Alicia.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am the, I was going to try to make a pun with Tully's, but nope, was not prepared for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Moving on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's a semi-finalist and competitive tug of war, Steve Osborne.
[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate that you said tugs of war as opposed to tug of wars.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a turney's general.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, that's really important.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like I have this issue when it comes to like blow drying the hair on my blowing my hair dry or my blow drying my hair.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we need to have Stanisbury at the end on the pod to correct our grammar.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that the laughing storm would happily blow your hair dry himself for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really, sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sorry today, we're recapping season one episode two.
[SPEAKER_02]: Heart, hard, salt beef, my favorite food is vegetarian.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll give our hot takes on the episode and then get into a scene by scene breakdown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, Steve has not been on any of the main budget.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I wanted to give Steve a minute to give any background thoughts on the Westeros world that he wants to do, Steve.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I was, yeah, I was only able to do our sort of feedback at the show where I could give my first take.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was, I, I, the first watch of the first episode, I was not, I was not in.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just wasn't, I wasn't driving until towards the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: The end got me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, okay, this is what I'm hoping that I'm gonna get, like the dynamic between.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dunkin' Egg underneath the tree was just so wonderful.
[SPEAKER_00]: And second viewing I liked it more, and I'm all in now, and this episode was my cup of salted beef.
[SPEAKER_01]: and speaking of salt to beef, if you want a ton of phallic humor, I mean, just go over to the probably hammered feed.
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't instant take last night right after the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think half of it, half of the portion that me and David were on is just dick jokes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think we've probably got it out of our system last night mostly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you saying it was almost too much?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... steve any other thoughts on this episode in your hot takes uh...
[SPEAKER_00]: I do have a minor concern, and I know we're trying to leave the member alone, but we started an episode with a lot of poop, and then we started another moment with a lot of penis, and I'm just wondering, is this going to be a recurring, is there an expectation now that there's going to be some sort of crude, silly moment in each of these episodes?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we don't have a lot of places to go from here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we could look at asshole next week.
[SPEAKER_01]: That could happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we're running out of runway.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: As I just, yeah, I just, because it's interesting that they that two episodes first two start with something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you kind of start setting that expectation when you do something like that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll be winking and nodding next episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just want to say, since I didn't get to get it on the dick jokes, that in defense of 28 years later, I will hear nothing more about the size of their prosthetic members.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I, I, all right, I'm not going to go into this, I'm not going to go into this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I already got my fill.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alicia, what do you think of the episode?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I, I like this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: I liked the first one slightly better personally.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I, it's hard to say why.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that whole feast in the tent scene really did it for me, but this one definitely had a lot of highlight moments.
[SPEAKER_02]: Take your early, are we all spoilers now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, spoilers for everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you want to spoiler free take, you got to go back to the preview episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I like to particularly the talk between Duncan Egg at the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's some key moments from the book that were really well transferred to screen, like him selling his
[SPEAKER_02]: what they're doing with Tandy.
[SPEAKER_02]: They haven't expanded her role as much as I would have hoped yet, but I do like what they've done with her with the whole puppet scenario.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the, uh, the, what was the call to war, the, uh, what did you call it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Tugs of war.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is just a tug of war, but Steve goes to tournaments, of course, is more than one so it's tugs of war.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got it, got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really liked how that set up all of these characters and their relationships with each other in a really fun way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I'm distracted by the competitive sign.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what Steve's window is.
[SPEAKER_01]: If anyone hears that, I'm going to try to get it out in post, but it might still be coming through.
[SPEAKER_01]: Steve has a tree coming down outside of what I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're going full far right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the chipper is an effect.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, gosh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone pour one out for Steve Bushamming.
[SPEAKER_02]: See you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Steve Bushamming with your life.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yes, I do like episode one more.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this was, this weirdly felt more like a set of episode than last episode, but I think that's because we did a lot of like prepping for the turning in this episode, and there was less meeting.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was less just like hanging out partying.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was much more like, I need our my armor, I need to get the list, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I'm, yeah, not your way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that so much compared to the other one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who knows?
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe more.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just did good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think Steve, you brought in something important, which is the relationship between Duncanang really is the core of the series, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the whole name of the book series.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the Duncanang, the adventures of Duncanang.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't sell that relationship, you don't sell the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we got a little bit more of that this episode
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that might be part of what I enjoy just because that's what I gravitated towards in the in the first episode, but I just I felt thematically like we're really getting somewhere where like the heart of what makes a night and the the idea of
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, breaking down the idea of being like, I want to, you know, if I look the part than I am the part versus what is that part, I mean, right, I mean, like, are you going to just focus on the aesthetics are you going to, you know, the sort of this, the deconstruction of what makes a night, I think is is so crucial to to dunks growth as as a person and so I think that's maybe why this particular episode, we're just sort of laid that a little more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bear and the idea that, you know, there's legacy and reputations and then there's reality and He's you know struggling with the idea of making a reality for himself and I just I think that is so There's just so what well put on display in this episode I think is why I just maybe maybe the themes just really struck me and this is what I kind of want to get more into So getting into it now was was was like gotten a little more jazzed
[SPEAKER_01]: understood.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: That makes a lot of sense to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I did want to clarify one thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are doing spoilers for the show up to this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're not going to talk books, boilers until after the credits.
[SPEAKER_01]: We will do a very brief book spoiler credit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Steve, you are caught up on the book.
[SPEAKER_01]: At least this book, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the hedge night, the first and the vanilla.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very good.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, stick around after the credits if you want that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for now, we're just going to stick with what we've seen in the show, not spoil any reveals, beyond that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get right into the breakdown, starting with what I like to call the penny-dree.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sir Arlin hangs down, then lives an ordinary hedge-night life while Dunk narrates about his morality and quality as a person.
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut to Dunk visiting every Lord in town to get someone to vouch for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Egg then calls it undignified.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's got some thoughts on this whole process.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's so I'm looking forward to next week when I think I might be able to speak more freely about certain things, but it was fun to just see how just the dynamic between them in the way that egg is the squire, but he's clearly the more intelligent one.
[SPEAKER_02]: and but in you can see that dunk is both grateful to have egg there with these more savvy insights you know as a kid who's memorized he's memorized all the nights I suppose like modern kids would memorize all their favorite baseball players or whatever and he probably
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an extra rare because it's signed with his gone-hand.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a prospect card, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would be funny if he ran into, like, that's the laughing storm for an autograph at some point, but he wouldn't even.
[SPEAKER_02]: But no, if you see that Dunk is both, he's grateful for that, but also it makes him feel extra insecure, because it's like, oh, God, even this kid knows more than me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there is also this aspect of a, I, again, I don't want to talk about things that don't know about him, but I think it's pretty clear that he feels a little bit more entitled to respect the Bindunk does, you know, this is undignified, you know, he feels like he should be able to walk up to these people and be a little bit more brazen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you could read that as him being a dumb kid, but he didn't seem dumb to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so what, what is that tension there?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I also think that there's something to it's he's coaching dunk up right and like it's a knit, you know, an interesting thing to think about like nights and squares and Predacomparum to maybe something more modern like I think of like
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, you know, the Rocky and Micky, you know, from the Rocky films, but there's also just sort of the really ship of, you know, golf or caddy, right, like to what degree does the caddy carry or clubs versus how dependent you are on the caddy for seeing the things that you can't see, you know, like, and
[SPEAKER_00]: And for Dung, it's like, I'm watching, and I think the show does a pretty good job of trying to capture the tension of he's like, well, I'm a knight and you're the squire, so I'm going to tell you what's up because that's what I was raised with, that's I was raised to, you know, they're not speaking less spoken to, cloud the ear, all that good stuff, but at the same time, it's like, but because he didn't have anything really to say back to Sir Arlin, he's so, so he knew his role, but he also knew his limitations,
[SPEAKER_00]: Egg doesn't do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Egg doesn't have any problem, you know, challenging him and then the problem is these challenges are like, well, you're pretty right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like so don't become sort of like like even more imposter syndrome, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm trying to I'm trying to to to fainighthood and in order to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to be in charge of the square and especially this young child and then, wow, I can't even do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, once this choir always requires what it feels like to some degree and so it's I feel like they've really captured that dynamic really well and the actors in such a good job of being so much with their eyes and body language that really helps tell that story.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's a really good insight.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think also the best teachers are always learning, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And they are learning from all sources and not discriminating which sources they pull on, other than, you know, variability of their claims.
[SPEAKER_01]: They learn from their students too, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, that was something that Sir Arlin perhaps was limited by.
[SPEAKER_01]: neutral exchange of ideas, just because he needs more information about the nobles and the lords and all that from egg.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alicia, do you have any more thoughts on the scene?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, just um, it was, I guess I do want to say like there was some discussion about the flashbacks in the first episode where we only saw Sir Arlin kind of clouding dunk in the ear or whatever they put it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in this episode we saw more of, you know, that noble side where yeah, he was kind of
[SPEAKER_02]: maybe didn't have so much to say in this TV version and it was kind of maybe a grump a bit but he was still we talked a lot about the difference between niceness and kindness we do still see him giving away his last coins to people who need it so he's not he's not a bad guy but I guess Duncan is just starting to realize that maybe just because he's the only knight he's really known well that doesn't mean he's the greatest.
[SPEAKER_02]: right we've definitely learned that he's a lover not a fighter right and didn't um so we saw sir Arlin in this TV version it seems that he had that bad scratch was that from dunk that ultimately got an infected and killed it oh that's a really good call
[SPEAKER_02]: Did where they sparring because we did see dunk beating the shit out of him in like he wasn't trying that hard Which probably gave dunk a false sense of security and now he sees right the heavy duty nights is like oh crap But yeah, he's easy to push down an old man Yeah, I still want to take away you get from the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think We should do more of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, at least I get infected and die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I keep thinking Alicia of the comparison you made with Guillermo and what we do in the shadows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah of he's just never going to get knighted by this guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: No All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's bring in some Targaryens the dragons arrive and when they arrive
[SPEAKER_01]: Egg gets nervous and returns as the camp.
[SPEAKER_01]: Baylor heir to the throne in Mekar, his bready brother, or introduced, a younger Blond Targaryen has an awkward moment with Dunk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dunk's horse kicks someone and the king's guard asks where to pee.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dunk learns, Sir Donald of Duskendell is no noble, but instead the son of a crabber.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is like, um, when people say they're self-made, but they have emerald mines in their family.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was that too specific?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, I would say one thing to point out since you point out the hair color of the mysterious Dickish young blonde Targaryen, one thing to point out is that Baylor, the heir to the throne, and we can see he's also the current hand because he has the hand pinned to his breast.
[SPEAKER_02]: he has dark hair which they don't go into a lot in this at least so far but uh and from dunk's perspective that makes sense because what does dunk care what color hair the ruler has but that definitely makes people see him as less Targaryen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Anthony had brought up the hair, the hair color, specifically, of Baylor because there is, there is this weird thing of like, are you blood, again, are you less targeting in the, in maybe in the good ways, but also in the bad ways, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have less of that Targaryen rage and that Targaryen unhinged us in craziness?
[SPEAKER_01]: Madness, I guess, is what King Aeros would say.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Baylor is profoundly un-targaryen in that, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's not a lot of fire in him, and if there is a fire, it's a quiet, contained flame.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a better two-hoo, just to be honest, but that doesn't mean that common people let it learn the other nobles, see it that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, dumpface is no consequences for his horse kicking somebody in the head.
[SPEAKER_02]: That wasn't his horse.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the Targaryen Princess horse.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I thought that was his horse.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, then I've just ruined my whole, my whole wine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, so this is actually a thing about the shows a dunk's a good guy because he steps in like in the guy, the prince who's horse it is is just like, I don't care, moving off in dunk is the one because he's the animal lover.
[SPEAKER_02]: He steps in, he's like, oh, come down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though he said no to, you know, I'm not a stable boy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not doing your stable boy work in the end of the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the one leading the horse into the stable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, younger Targaryen, blonde Targaryen.
[SPEAKER_01]: What should I say?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's name him M&M Targaryen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did they not name him yet?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they need him in the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I did watch this twice, even though I got the first detail wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, he just basically is like somebody else will solve this problem for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course now it makes sense when there was no accountability.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, um, what do we think about sort of Donald of Duskendell?
[SPEAKER_01]: See, you know, you know, I-
[SPEAKER_01]: I was inspired by him just like dunk for a minute.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, dunk is meeting a fellow non-nobled mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's going to have something to look forward to.
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, later that all gets shattered.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just goes a show that the floor is so much above dunk's head, where the guy who's like, oh, rotten from the self-made family of crappers, we are, salt of the sea.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you find out, like, oh, no, he's a big giant neppo
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's like, don't get three generations of Neppo, baby, remove from this guy already.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's tough.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's tough for Doug.
[SPEAKER_01]: Doug, I call him Doug.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would, I guess that would be his modern name.
[SPEAKER_02]: He, he feels like a Doug.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Other Duncan's still a name.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is, but who goes by Doug?
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess some people know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, um, I think we're going to talk more about the Targaryens in a minute anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: So why don't we go to Westeros's worst spy?
[SPEAKER_01]: Dunk accidentally eavesdrops on the Targaryen princes who are discussing make our son's day run and Aegon being missing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They also discussed Iran's lack of fitness for attorney.
[SPEAKER_01]: When Dunk is discovered, he pleads this case again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Baylor remembers Sir Arlin and his small attorney triumphs.
[SPEAKER_01]: And after Dunk successfully identifies the gray lion as Sir Damon Lannister.
[SPEAKER_01]: Baylor believes him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dunk is allowed to enter the list.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Baylor tells Dunk to get new arms.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, who do we think is more worthy, more on the Juliet end of the SimSmart scale, Baylor or Ed Stark, Ned Stark?
[SPEAKER_04]: Ooh.
[SPEAKER_01]: I see this is the problem, like, can I go on everything I know about Baylor?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, I mean, at this point, you can only go on what we're allowed to talk about on this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, if that's the case, then Ned Stark is the more heroic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because what's the best thing we've seen Baylor do so far is let a night risk his life in combat?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but he is we saw that he is a type who remembers all of these details like he actually all these other people who Sir Arlin and stuff took injuries for they're like we we don't really pay attention to all the small folk who Even the nighted small folk who fall in our service whereas Baylor is like oh no I I look into everyone who I'm going to cross lances with and and he remembers that years later
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is true, but like, does he remember the heroic deeds of Sir Arlin or did he just kind of paint his turning career in a nice light?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: What other heroic deeds should he remember?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I, that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think that he has a better sense of people necessarily than Ned Stark.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think, Steve?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, it's kind of hard to say, I'm a bit of a of a stark stand, but based on what what I've gone through already.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it has a good question though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I was out dealing with Woodchimpers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Woodchimpings.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, tell Steve, be sure to tell me that we wish our best regards.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had all the king's horses and all the king's men.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can't push any back together again.
[SPEAKER_01]: The game master was cracking me up in the scene, how he keeps giving dunk.
[SPEAKER_01]: These looks like don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't go for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know we're going to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he was wrong, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like dunk went for it and it worked.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We also got more of the young lady, basically, the one who called Dunkout.
[SPEAKER_02]: She is, she was actually given a name in this, which of course, I'm not remembering off the top of my head versus in the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: She just happened to be the daughter of the house who ostensibly in whom ostensibly in her name the tournament was held.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now we get to actually see her
[SPEAKER_02]: when she tells, you know, tells, and she actually was surprised that she just told Dunk, oh, you're spying here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me tell you the T. And then goes out of the end after all that also.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was a pretty wild dynamic, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's like I'm gonna let you know what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Almost as if that was part of the insult.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'll tell you, because you're too probably too dumb to remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: It could be.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she might just be our exposition vehicle for this show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who knows, he just comes in when Dunkneed some more information.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, the other thing is we have a make-art here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, there's a lot of snickering, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's, there's this great moment where Baylor says, Oh, yeah, he hit me four.
[SPEAKER_01]: He knocked me off four times.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Dunkneed was seven.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's got sp- Don't say that, Dunkneed.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I love that Baylor is just like, he gives him an out, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, oh, you know, a story is probably not telling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's totally fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's a hedge knight.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to inflate his ego a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, he's not a vain man.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's not, he doesn't have a huge ego Baylor.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can tell that.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... and and even even with make are the way that they are talking about uh... make our sons being missing and they're on being unfit to go in the tourney bailers even kind of about that he's basically don't push him to do a tourney uh... don't try to make him something that he's not and make ours the one who's kind of cruelly telling his son no he's got to change he's got to be this different kind of guy uh... he's got to go into battle yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I think was Baylor, the only person in that room other than dunk that we don't hate on some level.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably, uh, you know, the game master is gross, but I think he actually has like a hard underneath there, like he, he wanted dunk to get it right.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did, he did have some, then the sympathy for him and dunk was ready to give up.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said, you know, get somebody to vouch for you and I'll put you in.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm.
[SPEAKER_01]: and he was willing to put him in here, even though he could have said no, wait, Baylor gave him an out too.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what do we think of Baylor's blonde brother?
[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, so far, not great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, I think we can say that the blonde kid outside with the horse that that is make or Baylor's brother's son.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that much of a twist to name him right like it's it's we know he's a Targaryen that's that's area that way we don't have to keep being like the blonde when we're talking with her variants okay so it seems like father like son there but presumably that's not the only what we know he has at least two more sons who are missing and I would say at this point seeing him and and the way he talks about them the fact that they ran away from the tournament
[SPEAKER_01]: right yeah maker is not uh not raising people who seem to have a good grasp on life see anything else on um on this whole meet cute between the royals and dunk
[SPEAKER_00]: The star window in the back, and with things like seem to go well, it kind of gives a little look, a little, like, oh, the gods are on my side kind of a feeling.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, there's little, little things like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really love visual.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it is really beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, I think that I am sold on this Baylor casting this, this guy, again, I don't love the buzz cut, but he is really selling me on that quiet power, that quiet confidence of Baylor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what this show needs for that character.
[SPEAKER_02]: his hair does make him look very dickish though so i i don't know if the styling works for me for bailer why why why so no sorry sorry for area and i thought you're talking okay okay all right let's take a quick break and we'll come back and continue the episode
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, don't go to another puppet show, which teaches him that all men are fools and all men are knights where women are concerned.
[SPEAKER_01]: He and Egg hired Tanzi, the puppet painter, to paint his shield and to paint his shield with an elmetry and a shooting star over a sunset.
[SPEAKER_01]: egloments his size and done tries to help but egg is left in one day so line over recruits the two for a tug of war so a lot here um i know see if you were saying in the instant take that you love this whole interaction between dung and egg you know throwing his hands up in the air uh one can't say advice out of dunk i just love this yet with like uh
[SPEAKER_00]: the idea that like any time like dunk looks like he's maybe on the verge of profundity he just can't go any further uh... showing sort of just the level of you know like he's kind of in many cases sort of just you know seen the world and then trying to sort of ape the world to some degree uh... and and here is like is there's a ag trying to you know got a little something we have something going here we got a little conversation go who looked making a connection that's great
[SPEAKER_00]: Or don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just I love that whole whole back and forth.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the the sort of the the debrief on like basically saying that dunks got no game you know when to come to the ladies.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just say everything's just great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything and again a good tug of war scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know it's there's a not enough tug of tugs of war on on
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was I was kind of like when I first saw that we're doing a tug of war But then I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was sold by it, you know, of course, don't get some nice smack in the buttocks By sort of Lionel he's having a good time and I think you're right, don't he he does The first part of an analogy he puts the analogs together, then he's like no conclusion to be found So close just cannot solve for X
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's that, and I actually liked the tug of war scene where he becomes like this invaluable piece of this whole tug of war situation, and it's like especially after like
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, attempt to try to be, you know, maybe a little again, going, trying to be more profound, trying to relate to Ag, and it's like, then he gets into a situation where it's like, and here's what he's really good at, being big.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it happens, but it also there's something about, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: His, all these other battles that are going to happen, we're talking about jobs, and it's like it's kind of a one-on-one, seeing sort of a group sort of almost a community effort.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's just a small glimpse of fitting into a situation too, which is kind of refreshing because that's just not really something that's been his jam up to this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Big one Wolf and Cub kind of energy before this, and he's finally thrown into this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I also want to ask about Tanzia, know, Alicia, you were hoping for a more expanded role.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need thoughts on where they're going with this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, they haven't expanded her as much as I had hoped, but they have expanded other characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really love what they've been doing with the laughing storm, for example.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought, like I said, it was fun that the girl comes up and starts talking smack to dunk.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, we also got like the sex workers and stuff talking smack to dunk.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just basically everyone gets a chance to make dunk feel like a full.
[SPEAKER_02]: But so I like how they've been expanding in general, Tansy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she has not been the focus of that, but I still.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm enjoying her playing her book role with the Superduper Extreme Puppets.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I do love the big puppets.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, who doesn't love a big puppet for a big woman?
[SPEAKER_01]: What about the big woman?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I'm coming back to you with her own.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is, yeah, I like the whole awkward exchange where egg kind of saves him, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: In the, you're not too tall for, for puppets.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he meant puppets.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Dung was doing all kinds of math and his head there and he said, well, he can solve for X there, but he can't solve for X with analogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Steve, any other thoughts on this scene?
[SPEAKER_00]: We since I wasn't able to really have a conversation about this last week.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're okay with just these massive puppets, huh?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I love them, but it definitely tells a different story if they weren't like, I guess in my mine era, when I was reading, I picture just sort of a little bit more a little more humble puppetry, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's friendly.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they're, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when they're big and lavish like this, it's just, to me, it's just, it's a slight narrative shift for me in terms of how to read that group.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I mean, it's not a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's just that one is a little bit different for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's like it seems so, like, I know it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it,
[SPEAKER_00]: going, you know, hey, we go, we try to go from a tournament and try to scrounge up a little money with our little with our, you know, humble little puppet show.
[SPEAKER_00]: But instead it's like, now this is a, this is a pretty big deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is, this is the, like, you know, more Las Vegas style puppetry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have they even said that they're from Dorn?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know because that adds an interesting in terms of Dorn could just be a place where there is because Dorn for anyone who's not on top of the lore, Dorn is the last kingdom incorporated into Westeros.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were the most independent and so maybe just kind of shows that in their independence they had a little more wealth.
[SPEAKER_00]: in the, in the first episode, but more as like sort of a, uh, a check on other, uh, other adventures, not so much, this, this group coming from that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that, that is something in the eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it is important to note that, um, uh, Dorn is known for its lavish puppetry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, let's record show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let the record show that if it's more realistic than a Muppet's div is out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's, that's, that's pretty much it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't, I mean, Marianne, that's freak me out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm also happy to draw the line at Muppets.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a new careful.
[SPEAKER_01]: If David hears this, you're going to have a new analytics scale at Muppets scale.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a puppetry to advance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, so Dunk orders a new set of armor from Steely Pete, who, uh, which will cost him 600 silver stags and sir Arlin's armor, again, uh, cod peace, uh, not undervalued at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dunk sells his horse for the coin, and promises to return for the horse if he wins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dunk dreams of service to House Targaryen and tells Egg of Sir Donald, Egg bursts his bubble and tells him that Sir Donald's family owns half the crabbing industry and musteros.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why does he know that?
[SPEAKER_01]: He likes to fish.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so you made the cod piece comment and my brain immediately jumped to.
[SPEAKER_02]: I should mention I have just started heated rival race.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm picturing, I'm picturing the laughing storm talking about taking it off with this teeth.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have not watched you did ruggle reading.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is it on?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this an HBO show?
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's originally from Crave in Canada, but it's on HBO in the US.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's like the biggest show of the last couple months.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know anything about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lots of fanfiles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm definitely hockey fob.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am a sportsman.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did not start it because I was a sports fob until everyone was talking about how good it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it is very like binge worthy, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're going to give Leston Louis a run for their money.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll just say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think there's a lot to say in this, except I thought that the horse, the horse scene was the most touching of the two episodes I thought so far.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Nunk is really showing, you know, bearing his heart here.
[SPEAKER_01]: The way he gives him a couple coins back for an apple and some oats.
[SPEAKER_01]: Love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really the book.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it really sells you on like right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing makes it character more likable when then the, then when they care for an animal.
[SPEAKER_02]: And show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's such a simple way to convey a lot, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it is most people will gravitate, because it does show that it shows a certain, not even just a simplistic ideology for say, but it's more of a, yeah, like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a kindness.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, surrounded by all of this pageantry and all of this sort of self-aggrandizing that, you know, he loves his horse.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's pretty great.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's also, I was really, whatever reason, I was really excited to see the Steely Pete scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I have to correct myself with a silly paint piece of paper.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like really looking forward to seeing this or whatever reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess maybe this is part of why I really like this episode too is I kind of like the behind the scenes part of getting the tournament together and building a night sort of brick by brick.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I found that in addition to the story itself, I just find these little details by
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did wonder last week.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, we're a steely page because it does feel like that's one of the first things he does book, but yeah, episode two that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just being impatient.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, I think that also explains some of my, because I was like, we're gonna get his hammer made.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, he's a hopefully doesn't go in his farmer costume as everybody keeps pointing him out and.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, steely paid.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think was everything I expected it was like, I feel like it was almost word for word from the book.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but, uh, and the horse scene was to, uh, the, I really like this edition of Strudonnell, and, uh, egg kind of bursting as bubble about it, you know, coming in and, of course, you know, it's same thing as like having a lemonade stand in the understanding the fruit economy in the United States, Citrus economy, but, uh, I, I, I don't point by egg story here, but, uh, yeah,
[SPEAKER_02]: not at the free.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's happened to like, yeah, it's like saying I like all you can eat shrimp in there for I know who the CEO of Red Lobster is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we all know the CEO of Red Lobster now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's he's kind of famous now.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's he.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You haven't seen this guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a millennial.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like one of the first millennial CEOs.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he is like constantly doing video ads where he talks about like how he's fixed up the place and how things are better now and like it's actually like a big yard move that they're putting him for faced forward.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have not been exposed to those commercials not living in the US.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, apparently, I am the target demographic for it, right, lobster.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, to Steve's delight, the first Jost takes place, don't appear as rattled by the speed and severity of the violence, but egg is overjoyed.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do we think of the SD foot at the T-shirt cannon, seen?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why are we starting?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this like the appetizer?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is like not counting officially?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I recall something in the novella about like this first round was only for the big names But I suppose they also for macho perspective did it at nights to make it make more sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I can't say that So that things might be obscured that people didn't want to see
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I was, I, I, I loved the, it added another element too of like, like almost like your, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: you've got your VIP pass so you get to see this thing first, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you get to, you know, if you pay extra for these tickets, you get to, there's a, you know, there's like a private JavaScript or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like just felt, they felt that there was a little bit more, you know, a little bit more, like, they're here.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Santa Claus is showing up.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just, I really loved that whole, the way was put together was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I just, I'm not,
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm enjoying the idea of jousting way more than I thought I would.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good night, joust is just sounds to me like, I mean, it sounds like a euphemism, but I still like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does sound like sorrow and it's favorite activity.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now, yeah, dunk sees like it's not these are not just old men who he will accidentally push down when sparring.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are really tough contenders and he's getting dunked getting a severe reality check here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're agile, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're great on horseback.
[SPEAKER_00]: They jump around.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can stick and move pretty quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like size is definitely an advantage, but maybe not in every aspect.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, yeah, the lack of training is surely on his mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think too, it happens so fast, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was reading a book recently.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember which book I was reading with it said this, but like how you train for hours and hours for these combat runs and for these jowls and whatnot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's over in like 10 seconds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like everything comes down to just a few hits.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're just done.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think dunk didn't really process that until this moment, how quickly everything ends, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything is just hit 10 people on the ground, all of a sudden.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was making chicken soup.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to take a while to get, you got to, you got to, you got to boil all of your, you know, your bones and everything and then you got to, it takes hours and hours to get your broth ready and then you got everything together.
[SPEAKER_00]: Eat it like in a few seconds.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not with you here, but all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I don't don't putting I got a shoulders to was very wholesome to me I was I was like alright.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in I'm in for this pair.
[SPEAKER_01]: They seem like they're they're gonna have a great time together And then I just love don't I love egg going like where's my popcorn?
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on this is He's so great if this were today.
[SPEAKER_01]: He'd have the number one finger on the giant finger glove He's ready to go
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm so important for that character, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the character of Egg is so often sort of this sage wisdom throughout the show, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's nice to see him be a kid.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's a really important framing for, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: or the relationship because then it could start to feel like almost he could feel cartoonish, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's just this very intelligent, small version of a wise man, as opposed to.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's still a kid and he gets fired up and after that when Duncan's sitting there reflecting over,
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... the choice that he's got himself into and then and and and it's just got the stick and just jabbing and doing that hole like it's such a great scene to like to remind you that uh... at the core of the other still there's still child in here mm-hmm
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he's probably, you know, we see Dunk is having realizations, like, oh, my god, I might die.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Egg is not thinking that at all to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a fantastic thing to watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he probably hasn't thought much about the real deadly consequences.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know, you're roof for those big hits when you're watching football and they're not really concerned about the CTE that is happening on the other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think we should close up the scene to see him with a heart to heart.
[SPEAKER_01]: Donk talks about Sir Arlin's legacy to egg.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talks about Sir Arlin's failures and kindness alike.
[SPEAKER_01]: He promises to be Sir Arlin's legacy as an honorable man.
[SPEAKER_01]: On the Maro, Dunk will show the world what Sir Arlin's hand has wrought.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, good luck, Dunk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all man.
[SPEAKER_01]: This dude is so screwed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ha, ha, ha, ha.
[SPEAKER_01]: At least he knows that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, at least he's gonna have some decent armor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that he's going to lose in one in one shot like this guy is is you know when they they reminded him about six times like you know you have to rent some back your armor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man, he's not going to be blue for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he already lost a horse.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did already lose a horse, but he he promised to get him back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that horse enjoyed that apple.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, at least, it's not like, you know, he didn't sell the horse for dog food or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's presumably to be sold on as a riding horse.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and hopefully he's going to treat him well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he probably would have had to sell the horse eventually had he not done this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this actually gives him a better chance to keep the horse in the end, because he might get the money back to the save it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm holding my breath.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, don't hold it too long.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're a horse-half full kind of guy like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Any other thoughts on the general episode for my theory?
[SPEAKER_01]: Steve?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, again, I was pretty well hooked now into the series.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like they, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: the stakes are like the way of building to that jobs to scene at the end and really how well directed it was to show just like how fast, how how dangerous and how like to your point like these aren't just an old these aren't just old guys going through the motions like this is the real deal and you hear about that sometimes with again making another sports analogy that you hear a lot like when guys are graduating
[SPEAKER_00]: college and they're getting ready to go to like the NFL.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there is some thought to like, look, I'm so young.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so much faster.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of these guys are like, you know, pushing 40, there's no way that I can't just go in there and take the league by storm and you hear a lot of stores are like, wow, these really are the best conditioned athletes and I, you know, because this is all they do and they're, they're, you know, they're running circles around me and I, you know, it's like so maybe that speed isn't enough because there's a, there's a whole intelligence that goes along with it and an knowledge of how to
[SPEAKER_00]: How to play the angles and all that stuff and so you kind of I in a very small a sequence or short sequence I felt like the jousting they did such a good job with all of the different aspects of what is that stake and how you have to perform That like I like I really bought that Realization of dunks because it was like yeah, this isn't
[SPEAKER_00]: everything up here was just talk now and then so seeing him sort of at the answer to psych himself up in a way that didn't necessarily like that's what I felt like like okay I'm gonna gas myself up on this and I'm gonna be on my show I'm gonna like but I don't believe he believes as much as he says he does.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of hoping for him to get diarrhea again in the morning and not be able to go into the list because otherwise this is not
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the good news is HBO will show it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: What if the next episode is just an entire episode of him shooting and then a flashbacks to Starlin fucking?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, just no win-mailing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Win-mailing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because they wouldn't have known to call it a helicopter back in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh boy, Alicia, any other thoughts on this episode?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I mean, I just, for this one, I did feel myself having to bite my tongue a little bit, uh, just in terms of spoilers, apparently next week that's not going to be a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm looking forward to that overall, just piggybacking on what Steve said.
[SPEAKER_02]: And these first two episodes were a lot of setting up, orienting us in this world with the characters and the situation and everything like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think next week for the last four episodes is where it really, everything's going to cut loose.
[SPEAKER_02]: yeah, it's gonna fly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad to be unspoiler or un gagged by the spoiler next week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's only like one thing really because it's not a mystery box show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that I almost feel like they should have just done it this week and been done with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we'll be good for the rest of the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to hear what that spoiler is and talk about the other spoilers, you can stick around until after the credits.
[SPEAKER_01]: If not, don't forget that you will have a feedback episode later in the week around Friday with Steve and Anthony Steve.
[SPEAKER_01]: I listened to your feedback episode very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm glad that you two were doing those on Fridays.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was fun for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then another instant take on Sunday night after the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Other than that, check out the rest of the affiliates.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, probably Howard is where you get the instant take and the feedback.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you can check out Radioactive Ram Lung's covering fallout season two on their feed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And never mind the music is doing weekly coverage of music and psychology, plenty of great stuff coming on that feed.
[SPEAKER_01]: So check out all those.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, just um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Alicia, I wanted to unguad you for the Tanzi expansion.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you wanted to talk about that anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess actually the biggest thing, I'm not sure that I have anything more to say about Tanzi, she seems to stick pretty close to the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had hoped that we would find out more of her as a person so that we feel more protective of her when she's attacked, but I suppose will fail protective enough just because Don likes her and she seems nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing is I was thinking like will they really expand her much because she disappears after this novella?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, he's still thinking about her afterwards, which I always thought was like, even they even they go down to Dorn, like, not in the novella that we see, but we hear in the second novella that they went to Dorn and back again.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we don't really get an answer of presumably he did not find her there, but it almost felt like he was looking for a source of tension for me too, just because it was like,
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like, well, where's this pain off?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because we built this up, but it doesn't seem to be built on a bunch.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just, like, she's happy to be there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, people shouldn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in which is all fine, but then to be like, oh, and it's enough to like, to keep going and pursuing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, to what end, what do we do?
[SPEAKER_00]: And why, you know, it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, it's just kind of hoping that there was an opportunity here to kind of,
[SPEAKER_00]: and bellow some of this story a little bit so that part of it makes a little more sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I do wonder if they might actually even bring her back in future seasons just to keep that through line going or I wonder, I know that George R. Martin, so there's three novellas written and he apparently handed the team for this show outlines for 12 additional novellas stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they have a lot to work on, and I always assume there would be some resolution to the Tanzi situation in a future story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they already know that and we'll bring it up, who knows who knows?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, who knows?
[SPEAKER_01]: But he does become, he mentioned his eventual fate is to be in the Kingsguard, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Facially at least he does not end up with her.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, true, but at least he should have, yeah, I'm frustrated at Dunk's frustrated romances and like let the man live, but what really I was biting my tongue about most was where I really had to stop myself was saying that having the turning at night hides the fact that egg is on Dunk's shoulders and his family has a clear vision of that, but at night
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, actually, because yeah, because I did think about that in the book as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, especially in this episode, he goes out of his way a few times to try to duck and cover and to get on the shoulders as quite the opposite.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and in the book, it didn't bother me that much, because I was like, it's got to be a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're probably just to the side more than the royals can see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess it does add a layer of obscurity to add the darkness.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Steve, any other book spoiler talk thoughts that you wanted to bring up?
[SPEAKER_00]: Not really.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this episode is I think the pacing is moving pretty nicely.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so I think you know, I want to hand curious just in terms of the spoiler aspect is because I can
[SPEAKER_00]: reviews of the episodes and there are those who know the book and there are those that don't, and it's I wonder how clear the you know eggs identity is to people without the book knowledge, like if it's like because there are there are aspects of it that I'm looking at that seem to be making a lot of sense that you wouldn't you could connect those dots fairly quickly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do wonder if they're going to carry any of these characters over to season two other than
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they could, you know, they can only make changes from the books and maybe it would be better to have a little bit more continuity, but for me, as long as done can I go together, the show is working.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I am looking forward to the second season because I think that's a fun, interesting story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, join us next week and we'll have more book spoilers after the credits of that.
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