[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the lorhounds podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Weir, the lorhounds, your guides to an ER that is somehow functioning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm your stretch in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am really stretchin' it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm John.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm David, and this is our coverage of season two episode three of The Pit.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is our vibe check podcast we are not doing analysis as much as reaction and we had busy days yesterday and so we're just getting around to our recording now a little bit later off than our normally scheduled time.
[SPEAKER_01]: But John, I don't know how you felt about this episode, but I finally feel like, here we are.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm back with cooking it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're cooking, baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to touch on what you just said, you say it's not analysis, but I feel like we're doing only analysis and no recap.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're fair enough, honey.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fair enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like you've seen my scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that what you're getting from this show is not just talk about what happened, but let's let's go a little deeper on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get our deep thoughts out on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was with you, when you said the show is finally starting to hit, I think that's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Season episodes one and two I thought were a lot of setup.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we finally gotten to like, you know, a thousand miles an hour, like the pit feels normally.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think season one did the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think this is a joke.
[SPEAKER_00]: It took him to the back for season two.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just need that in any season where you're you're setting back up the day who who are the players What are the big mystery cases that we're gonna have?
[SPEAKER_00]: What are the twists and turns gonna be we finally have a twist in there like a twist of what might be coming?
[SPEAKER_00]: That is not the twist that I heard was coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so that's exciting to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay
[SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, if people want to get a hold of us, Lorehounds at the Lorehounds.com, check to show notes for the link tree.
[SPEAKER_01]: And remember that we've got a whole bunch of Night of the Seven Kingdoms coverage going on and Oscar coverage going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll talk about that at the end of the podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, twists.
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to start in there?
[SPEAKER_00]: I just thought it was a really interesting twist that it's the 4th of July.
[SPEAKER_00]: What did it say?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the 4th of fucking July.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the other ER in town is closed, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They have a code block, they're not taking patients.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what, first of all, why?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I loved, I loved who is it, the security guard who is like, we're back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why, how many patients, how long?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get the bets on the roster.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and I love that it was that the line we're back.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a cultural cliche, e-line to throw around on a totally throes,
[SPEAKER_01]: in it's like a little wink to the audience like yes episode three we did our set up we had a cup of coffee we're back and we're coming at you and we're coming at you hard so it was a total little fun oink and a nod of course this is the lorhoun so I did have to look up what code black means
[SPEAKER_01]: And it means different things depending on where you are and in what hospital system in the UK apparently it means just the facility is closed without necessarily any specific reason a lot of places a code black is a bomb threat.
[SPEAKER_01]: In some places, it's a type not shooter or some other externalized threat that they can deal with.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like where's a code read is a fire, a code blue is typically a cardiac incident.
[SPEAKER_01]: So code black is some kind of external threat to the facility or some sort of threat to the facility itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't explain it on the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just left us.
[SPEAKER_01]: cliffhanger next hour.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if they will tell us.
[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of hit did towards telling us, but at the same time this show has done a really good job of like showcasing on the effects on this ER, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: The people directly in the vicinity, what is the effect on them?
[SPEAKER_00]: The same the way they didn't show the shooter or talk about motive.
[SPEAKER_00]: with the emcee in season one right there there is a level of this is a zoomed-in show That almost feels like they won't tell us what's going on at the same time You know that this hospital is gonna be so gossipy about
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody's gonna do like dual shifts over there and be like oh, yeah, this is what happened I feel like that's the case the show also is doing a really good job of starting to put countdowns down Like I believe the girl who didn't was not abused but has that disorder I can't call the name of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: She, her mom said she'd be there by 11, so we're getting some countdown clocks now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where things are going to start happening at later hours, really, really excited.
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, as the mic goes on as it gets dark in Pittsburgh, there's going to be more firework related injuries.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we know that that's coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: So where do we want to go from there?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a few notes in my, I don't know, collection of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there any particular storyline or patient story that you want to track and get into?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go right for the dark stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tree of Life shooting, I want to go right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's start on the dark and that way keeps getting lighter from there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, this is really where the show started to open up and I had this really strong feeling.
[SPEAKER_01]: of Dr. Robbie.
[SPEAKER_01]: He in that moment as he's talking to the patient I apologize.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the her name on the tip of my tongue.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has this rabbinical or faith leader healer type person persona in that moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, here we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, of course, I went and read up on the Tree of Life shooting, which was a real thing, synagogue that holds multiple congregations, or 11 people were brutally murdered in October of 2018.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember when this happened, I'm sure you do, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was a big news story.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it happened in Pittsburgh.
[SPEAKER_01]: There actually was a victim of the shooting whose name were Benvich.
[SPEAKER_01]: which is the same as I believe Robby's last name, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think it's about a little differently, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just wanted those weird little things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and it sounds like...
[SPEAKER_01]: The guy who came from a very broken home and a very broken background, he's been tried and convicted, and he is currently on death row in Indiana appealing his case.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is very much an active ongoing thing for a lot of communities.
[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the worst incidences of violence towards the Jewish community in the United States in a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: One thing that I was really glad that they brought in, and I see a note on this too, but the rule of the Muslim community in Pittsburgh to really wrap their arms around the victims.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes sure that the funerals were paid for and that there was a safe community to rely on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, for all the political quagmires we found ourselves in and religious, religious feuds that are ongoing, you know, it's nice to see things kinder for a moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was with Pearl, I believe, right, the nurse, and just that whole interaction between
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there was a moment in season one where Robbie is talking to, is it a brother and sister about, I'm trying to, I'm trying to dredge the memories out of my memory, thanks right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he talks about a sort of a healing blessing that I believe comes from Hawaiian culture.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was the brother and sister who were having the main decision to pull the
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and it was just so beautiful, and it was just the best of Robbie, the best of who we know the of his character is when he's at his most human.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like all he would be, he was where complex, and we had multi-fast, you know, we're multi-fast at it, so when we're talking to the hospital administrator, we're maybe kind of a jerk, you know, or, uh, or what have you, and then at the same time he's being so, oh, very human.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought it, this storyline was going to kind of go one place when she was like, oh, you're not married and all this kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it turned into the Tree of Life stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just like, wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is really what I come to the show for one of the levels of the show that I come for is that deep appreciation for humanity, appreciating each other, connecting with each other and sharing these kind of moments in these kinds of settings.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could have sworn at the beginning we were going to be seeing matchmaker matchmaker make me think that's I don't we did not get there we did not get there that I and I think it's a better show for it right like really go into something deeper like that and I thought it was a respectful way to approach it from all ends and I'm glad that they did that because that is you know it's a tough subject from a lot of angles and they really showed
[SPEAKER_00]: I also want to point out how Robbie reacts to all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: He, first of all, says to where, you know, there's no clock on recovery from a stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So profound.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's true, but also we know that he also is having trouble killing a
[SPEAKER_00]: his own PTSD, and he does not take that advice, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: He just denies the nice and nice and he does a lot of other avoidant behaviors like when they're in the motorcycle, motorcycle driver who died, right after he realized that the guy's dead, they first well, they all call him on like, in that where you got your license, oh yeah, but I wear a helmet, lie, and then he,
[SPEAKER_00]: goes to leave, and I believe it's all Gavey, who says to aren't me going to have a moment, he goes, he'll still be dead when we get back.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's so out of character for him, right, that I, and you know, he says when we have a minute, that's what he said.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, when we have a moment, we take it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, you can argue that this was a work-related decision, you know, we have several other people in a trauma room who need help immediately, fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: You come back, he'll still be dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: But to me, I think it was less about that, or at least partially about something else, which is I don't want to see myself in this person.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I'm being called out and like I'm being warned here.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is my future if I keep risking my life like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that you instantly, when that whole thing went down, that was like, okay, John's all over this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and of course, who else brings up the motorcycle is his Jewish nation, who goes 50, 50 ish, 50 ish, riding a motorcycle.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's sad.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he goes up to Dana and goes, oh, apparently I'm having a midlife crisis with my motorcycle.
[SPEAKER_00]: No comment, Jesus.
[SPEAKER_01]: So good, and we should really look up the name of that character and actor that she just calls him on it and just sees right through it and has that sort of gravitas of just like you can't bullshit me, bro.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got years on you.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was just so perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just the idea
[SPEAKER_01]: me thinking about like I had a flash of a moment, thinking back to oh 10, 15 years ago, wouldn't it be fun to have a motorcycle?
[SPEAKER_01]: I never did and I'm glad I didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's just new way of getting on a motorcycle at this age right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never had the urge to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember, now we don't want to, you know, just be sharing the motorcycles you're at this time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But
[SPEAKER_00]: this guy was just weaving in and out of cars like really dangerous like weaving in and out and it was like stop traffic but he was still like speeding in between the cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see on Facebook a few days later somebody who I went to high school with.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know them but somebody I went to high school with and he got like paralyzed from it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's so dangerous.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, do what you want.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's your own life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wear a helmet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come on guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just wear a helmet.
[SPEAKER_01]: exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've written, I've driven a motorcycle a few times and I've written on the back of many of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've had friends who've owned motorcycles always wore a helmet never never, never not wear it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even scooters, scooters, I remember when scooters came out when I was in high school and that was a big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can, you can get a, you can crack your skull open right in a bike down your driveway, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the,
[SPEAKER_01]: the speed doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the fact that your head is being pulled down by gravity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, enough motorcycle PSA stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have the character name, it's Yana Kovalenko.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is what he was talking to?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you know what a Samovar was?
[SPEAKER_00]: I did not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: At all.
[SPEAKER_00]: You had you ever heard the word?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I had never heard of the word.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not just a Jewish thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a Russian writing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is an Eastern European Jewish thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And not just a Jewish thing, it came out, of course, this is the Lohound.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I bred up on Samovars.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was aware that the thing existed, but I didn't understand the depths of the culture until I sort of read some articles and looked at some pictures and Wikipedia's and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's based on a earlier Greek and Byzantine design and it is the word semivar apparently is Russian for self-boiler and it's very common in Russia throughout Central Asia.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is cultural
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess you could say it's not tied to religious culture per se.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is not a Jewish thing or an orthodox thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a just people in this region thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: What they would do inside of this big bulbous shape, there's a central chimney that you fill up, you put charcoal or other material in there, and then around that central tube is a water tank, and so that water gets heated up and boiled.
[SPEAKER_01]: you put a teapot up there and you make a little concentrate of tea and then you pour that tea into a teacup and then at the bottom of the semivar you should have a spigot of some kind and then you would mix hot water in with the concentrated tea to your desired strength and taste.
[SPEAKER_01]: and then that obviously did come over with a lot of Russian Jews when they came to the United States and then just Russian and Central Caucasus and Central Caucasus cultures as as people emigrated to the United States in the normal course.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they turned into electric
[SPEAKER_01]: And then that, the Samovar, is kind of functionally the progenitor of percolators, American style coffee percolators.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do love a good coffee burger.
[SPEAKER_00]: I use one myself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the morning.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're your Russian ancestors.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you have Russian.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have with the winyan ancestors.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all they feel stuff for this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, right to our Russian immigrant friends for bringing us the same of our.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they get quite hot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously that's what burned her right when it fell.
[SPEAKER_00]: something that I think is, and I appreciate that deep dive because that's very helpful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Something that I think is, yes, something that I think is really important in the scene is it really highlights, you know, we have come into more of a realization in the last 10 to 15 years, I'd say, of the effect that fireworks have on survivors of trauma.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, not even.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, God, we haven't gone there yet, have we?
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time,
[SPEAKER_00]: We talk about it mostly in the context of veterans, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, most of the time when I've heard this, that's what it's talked about.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what we don't talk about is the intersection that that has in the scourge of mass shootings in America.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a really good point.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's so many victims now of mass shootings in America and survivors of mass shootings in America that probably will have a similar reaction to a veteran.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... on the fourth of July and and so i've heard there's been a big push i think to cut down on the fireworks to limit them to put them in certain areas only um... i understand their fun but like there's something that you can't avoid if you live in the area right and that's that's why i do think that there probably needs to be more regulation on that
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is where we get into that tension between, don't tell me what to do, but yet your actions are affecting me and where do we find the middle ground where I can live my life and have sort of my rights and you can do have your rights and your fun and but we can both, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: find the middle ground.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's really hard these days to negotiate that out.
[SPEAKER_01]: People are very pushy and demandy about what they want.
[SPEAKER_01]: So banning fireworks doesn't work because there's always somebody who's going to sell them.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very easy to say, you're right, and where they affect mine, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very easy to say about it, but to figure out where that line is is extremely difficult.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel for this woman, this fake woman, I mean, I know she's not really pretty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Other people are real and represented by this character.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it does bring them up.
[SPEAKER_01]: minor annoyance to actual, yeah, to actual triggering for PTSD situations.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, and, you know, we just had a mass casualty event the last season, right, in this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what are the survivors of that feeling like?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's what's the name of the kid that was not his step-kid?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I forgot.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but him.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what's he feeling with all this.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a really good point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he was at the concert and right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was shot and his girlfriend.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, was a colored for all intents of purposes was killed.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if Robbie's going to have a realization after this?
[SPEAKER_00]: I should call and see how he's doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm interested.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I bet you they haven't talked since.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because remember he even the big telloff in the, and his mom was actually really kind to Robbie.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, kids don't understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the thing with Robbie is he's going to internalize that pretty hard, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, right, for a sanguine as he might be in his zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance, he might be on the outside, he is definitely that is one of those things that he's going to carry with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever read zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but I've read them in the art of mixing for a few years, it's probably based on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, it comes out of a tradition of that time, of the electric acid, kuley test, and Kiroak, and on the road, and the Dharma bombs, and Bukowski, and I'm just trying to throw names at stuff, there's a whole, what was it, there was another one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, my mid 50s brain is failing me.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole genre of classes that Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance came out of, and it's a quick and easy fun read, and it affected a lot of people, and the idea of that freedom of having a motorcycle and going where, wherever life sort of takes you,
[SPEAKER_01]: sort of mythological tropey.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know something into in culture at that time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that that same sense of easy rider exploration going out into the world on a motorcycle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that exists anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a little inacronistic that they gave Robbie this sort of trope to follow.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never read that book, but I remember the mixing one was very like, I'm not going to teach you how to mix.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to teach you what vibes to carry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it sounds like.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not helpful and I put it away.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm really really brilliant.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still too new to this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need help.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so anyway go.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to just to circle back on the quiet that conversation between Perla and what was her name again?
[SPEAKER_01]: I apologize.
[SPEAKER_01]: The character.
[SPEAKER_00]: I closed the idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: You closed the tab.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, uh, that couple of like go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yannick, couple of like go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yannick,
[SPEAKER_01]: world where we are today even today as we're recording this sort of horrible things that are happening that a show will put two people, two characters into that conversation and into that conversation between two communities of faith that have a lot of
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of stress and anxiety and antagonism and real pain and real anger at things that are being done in the name of religion and people doing really evil shit towards each other that these two people can find a moment and we can remember that these two communities also have a lot in common with each other and there's a lot of there's a lot of richness
[SPEAKER_01]: and when just two people are together, we can remember that, you know, you might wear certain clothes or practice certain faiths, but at the end of the day, are we people and do we look after each other?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just really moved by that conversation, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it goes to it's you know easy to think of Israel Gaza and that conflict immediately, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: When she goes, are you Muslim?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're kind of your heart stops for a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: What you're going to say because you're such a sweet woman before that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But
[SPEAKER_00]: the thing is when you have that kind of community coming together and that individual care, it's really hard to have that kind of macro hatred towards each other, really hard to have that kind of conflict.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, you know, again, I don't want to go to politics, but, you know, when we talk about, you know, USAID, right, USAID got cut this year and, you know, a lot of people
[SPEAKER_00]: it's really hard for people to hate your country when your country is feeding them right right like it's part it is it is a selfless thing but it's also a selfless thing which is that people start to learn that you're an ally and people start to trust you more um and so I think it's the same thing here right the you know
[SPEAKER_00]: This person, uh, my god, we're never in our room or her name, Kovellenko.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yana Kovellenko could have had that kind of Israel Gaussian animosity.
[SPEAKER_00]: But instead, this kind of, you know, community structuring, this community, uh, assistance and help and kindness and bonding made her see Pirlah as a human, even though Pirlah wasn't even probably in the group that helped her directly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she, yeah, it's interesting, the identity and tribalism.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe it's from the, uh, from, is she Malaysian or somewhere from that side of the world, that's my head cannon for her.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because what do they say?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tag a log, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tagalog.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't pronounce it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't don't add us, please.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've already.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been to several landmines of this podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where we lose half our patrons.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the fact that, you know, this, this identification, this sort of tribal thing, you are this thing before you are human.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in that moment,
[SPEAKER_01]: their humanity came out.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then that Muslim community that reached out and organized for the Tree of Life families and victims.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were motivated by their faith.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were motivated by the tenants of their faith.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That had nothing to do with land and history and what they, as people used their faith as a mechanism to do something that was really, and then Yannikova says to her, oh, your people, like your tribe, your group, it's like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and like you said she's may not even have been active right probably wasn't right like I particularly know it was probably a very specific group of people who Volunteered to help you know a number of people who run a charity or volunteer Nothing telling us that she helped especially because she seemed to be kind of clueless of a situation
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's where I was reading that end, that kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's so it's interesting that individual, the individual at themselves to the sociological application of all Muslims, all Christians, you know, all Buddhists, all Hindus, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And God, can you even call somebody Hindu because that's a complex thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or Muslim, or Jewish, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's all these or Christian, there's all these subsets where it's just like,
[SPEAKER_00]: very, very varied.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so I just thought that the show did that so beautifully and I just really appreciated in a time of a lot of stress and anxiety and daily horrors from all parts of the worlds.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was really lovely to have that moment and that's really where the episode got me, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the things that isn't this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are multiple things in this episode, maybe we can swing out to some other conversations.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot more in this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to really quick shout out Louie, that tooth is going to cause him some trouble.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a tick and time bomb.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was, I heard somewhere else that there was something that is cardiac related potentially with teeth like this, like bacteria or something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was more concerned that it's going to go to his brain.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why they treat the teeth in the emergency room, though they're not a dentist, that they don't want your brain to get an infection.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where it's going to go, but I absolutely agree that I think Louie's a goner this season.
[SPEAKER_00]: You think he's dead?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, did you show?
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't know where they're going to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Louis.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm done watching the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am worried for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what is that liquid?
[SPEAKER_01]: What is that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay, there is a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Something needs to deep dive on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, so I, you, you, you talk because I did look into this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to find my notes here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I think, yeah, with Ogleby, and I feel a little worried for Huckleberry, what's his actual name?
[SPEAKER_01]: Boy, I'm really off my game today.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a long weekend.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that he is going to run, I think they're setting him up a little bit to be a Robby, like Karen, with carrying the stress and internalizing
[SPEAKER_01]: these traumatic situations and what turns you into not only you kind of crave the environment of and the stress and the intensity and the camaraderie and all of that but then that costs you so much and when in was episode one when Robbie's sort of giving him the
[SPEAKER_01]: For me, in my mind, for Whitaker to sort of be rating behind Robby in terms of where Whitaker's arc is going.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to follow the Robby footsteps, the right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what was Whitaker's undergraduate major?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_00]: Theology.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see your note here that Robby is very rabbinical.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: they both have this bedside manner that is very pulpit, basically if you like or not even pulpit-based, but it's more like you go to see the rabbi after hours and you need some advice or the priest or the pastor or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that obviously, I think it's safe to say when a girl was race at a Christian household.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Based on his everything about him.
[SPEAKER_00]: But also theology major, nine times out of ten, that is a Christian, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that is they go to college for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, yeah, I think that's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's the pastor doctor, pastor or old doctor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think in all of this, it's this sort of faith as a construct to express humanity.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, regardless of what tradition this deep care for your fellow human, I think Whitaker has that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think he has that same thing that Robbie has.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, I have this emotion, I have this feeling.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to care for people in these different ways, and then how it gets expressed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Teal out electrical school, rabbinical school, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know the pathway for becoming an Imam, but you know, whatever the training is, in this particular case, it's coming out as medical.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the expression is a medical care, not a physical.
[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of care, somehow they were able to get that kid to sit still.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, did you look up the stuff for Louie?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is, I have it right here.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is alcohol-related, parrot-heanial fluid, which is basically that your liver is so damaged, and there's portal hypertension.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that means like a, it causes the fluid to leak into the abdomen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, into the intercom of the liver.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is, you write it into just around where it's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this normally would be, it's not Yurik, but it's, the other one is liver and potentially pancreas.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And normally, I guess it would be passed out and not still.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, because your liver processes it, but because of the damage, it can't work through it all, so it pushes it into your abdomen, inches in the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's totally insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's like five leaders or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that wasn't insane amount of time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's going to us, I thought I had another couple days and be like, what?
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, this is the painful part about a healthcare stuff too.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, man, you're costing the system because you are not taking care of yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's all kind of fun and a joke.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of rough, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they have to spend time in resources.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody's got to pay for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's got a condition.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate thinking over that way because it reminds me that our whole medical system is a capitalist nightmare.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, it's just setting up some of that that tension.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... this social worker wait do you you started on somebody else well i was going to go talk about the the beads in the yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i thought that you know you and i are fathers we've we've bothered yep i'm not a way out so when they said you haven't had to get these out i have no and my daughter is not put beats up her mean either me either and i'm so happy
[SPEAKER_00]: I am so happy that I've never had to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, there's still time, I have a three and a five year old.
[SPEAKER_00]: The three, well, especially on the three year old, I think I still got time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm hoping that he doesn't hear this and then decide to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, no, I think we still have time on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really love this conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do I believe that Langdon can just quote this guy off the top of his head all the time?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, people quote things in movies in a way that nobody knows in real life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I have the quote here, may you be gentle and loving, clear and sure, may you trust in the unseen providence that has chosen you to be a family, may you stand sure on your ground and know that every grace you need will unfold before you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get weeping like all the warnings of your life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And may God bless and keep the beads far away from my son.
[SPEAKER_01]: So John O'Donahue passed away in 2008.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was an Irish poet, author, and priest, and a philosopher, a Hegelian philosopher, a philosopher of Hegel, who was a German philosopher, who was the biggest known thing that he was known for was absolute idealism.
[SPEAKER_01]: and I feel a blog post coming on because I think there's some absolute idealism baked into this show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know whether intentionally or unintentionally, but if there's any haglion philosophers in our listening community right in because I'd love to talk with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds exciting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually thought to myself, I was like, this might be a book I pick up, you know, this is like a good one.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is pick up and read a quote and then move on with your day.
[SPEAKER_01]: The bless to bless the space between us, which I believe is published in 2008, which seems to be the same year of his death.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't do that much research into his publication history.
[SPEAKER_00]: Any dead January 4th, 2008, that's so... Oh, the posh of his release.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, but this is January 4th.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, January 4th, not July 4th.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a weird moment of... No, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying it's probably a posh of his release.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, this was really interesting as well because
[SPEAKER_01]: We had these three men coming together and sort of sharing their experience of fatherhood, a parenthood and fatherhood.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what if you caught picked up on this, but last episode, we had three women together draining and erect penis.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is the same thing, draining and erect penis, and talking about fatherhood and a deep boy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the three women who were talking, you know, are you know draining the patriarchy?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why are you gone?
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You told me I had a stretch earlier.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is your stretch.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, all right, fair enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a stretch to that man's force again.
[SPEAKER_01]: oh boy anyway you come for the vibes right and come for the vibes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought it was interesting that these characters are having these deep meaning conversations around these sort of different kinds of incidents and I just noticed that it happened to be three women in the last episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this would we got three men.
[SPEAKER_01]: So talking about life, the universe, and beads up noses.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, as much as I'm mocking this whole thing, I think you're right that that is a good thing that there's show does.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it reminds me of what people said was really good and early in the thrones, which was the traveling pony show.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the everybody, you know, walk it slowly, traveling the land and having deep conversations.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here, most of the time,
[SPEAKER_00]: But now we have something where you have to sit there for a few minutes and because you're training someone you have an extra person And so we get to have that ensemble moment that you don't always get to have it's not fast-quippy dialogue It's everyone's sitting for a moment and breathing right right
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what, that's really what I was waiting for the first two episodes was to return to this at these moments of dialogue, these moments of conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: What does it like to be a father?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm a new father, and I'm an experienced father, and I'm, you know, father.
[SPEAKER_01]: with a kid who just won't sit still and how do we solve this when when I saw him climbing around I was just like oh man and then they said b's up as knows I was like oh how are they even going to and they did with patience and kindness and a little bit of clipper you know parenting techniques right you know it's not just fatherhood it's a parents across the spectrum right we have to be clever and inventive in a lot of ways sometimes to
[SPEAKER_01]: the the craziness that our kids get into.
[SPEAKER_00]: Donnie though says there's no handbook to fatherhood.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like have you been to a barns and no will recently.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's like two bookshows.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a multi billion dollar industry for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't you can't walk around without tripping on one.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was Dr. Spock not from Star Trek but a guy who's named Dr. Spock back in the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it went his
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was the, he burst the sort of modern parenting publication revolution, and this idea that we could actually be interested in parenting as technique and as skill and as managing all of this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think prior to that, it was pretty, pretty rudimentary and there were
[SPEAKER_01]: pasted violence and suppressing your children as opposed to enriching them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, Dr. Spock was then, I think the conservatives didn't like him after a while because of the Vietnam war stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: But very he ended up being a controversial figure which is funny because like everybody raised their babies on him.
[SPEAKER_00]: My favorite, my favorite for anybody who's expecting my favorite parenting book was the happiest baby on the block.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice, and I use the important.
[SPEAKER_00]: The five S's.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: I use them.
[SPEAKER_01]: The one that helped me the most, I don't remember the title, but it basically laid out the milestone.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you should have around over this many months and this many years.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can expect these, you know, look for these signs and things of happening that's going on with your kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: That helped me because then there were times where you were like, oh, we're in this little stormy fussy phase It's because the brain is developing to the next level or the body is taking on these new skills or something Yeah, I think that was it that helped me the most That's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds like a good book.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember the for life of me the name I don't even know if we still have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll never find out now
[SPEAKER_01]: I do kind of subscribe to the, what is it, is it the carpenter and the gardener, like this idea that you build your children, which is, you know, is a lie because they are themselves or that gardener where you're just sort of creating an environment for them to thrive on their own a little bit and just creating a place for them to, you know, that because that whole idea of baby Mozart's and baby Einstein's it's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's mostly just abusive fathers making sure that their children are crowns on their on-stage.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's take a look at the Jackson Five here, the right, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of children with ITP, Segway, did you, were you surprised at all by the storyline?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I thought that they were signaling it.
[SPEAKER_00]: from the beginning of light.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is going to be sad.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a learning case of not everything's abuse, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think that there's time for things to change because we still have mom coming at 11 and that that girl is not going to be discharged, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They said they have to keep her for I think four days they said something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, they said they're trying to get her room upstairs, but we all know that goes from season one.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I do think that we could see maybe not abuse, I think that would be kind of cheap if you went right back to the abuse.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we could see some developments on that case, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we're done with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the things that I picked up when Santos was talking about the condition was that stressful environments can be a inducer of reaction.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was that them?
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was the potassium issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: That too, both of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's actually all.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was definitely in the potassium issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: And but that then the the boyfriend and the girlfriend the father and the girlfriend started arguing and I was like oh well clearly there's a stressful situation and they certainly didn't seem like there's any love lost when their relationship ended at the end of the episode yeah I mean I was
[SPEAKER_00]: I was kind of shocked by, you know, he's not, he's obviously not physically abusive.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've determined, although I guess we haven't ruled it out entirely, but unlikely, but he is very quick on the trigger, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he is very quick to anger and yell and lash out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I don't react like that, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was very reactive and that did concern me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it still concerns me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's going to be interesting to see, like you said, what happens when the mom shows up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: David, let's take a quick break and then let's continue this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have a few other people I'm concerned about.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you mentioned the couple in the car accident.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, I feel like there's a complication here where like a medical issue caused them to pass out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so who's fault was the motorcycle accident?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because she said you ran it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said that the motorcycle is, sorry, she said the wife said that the motorcycle is, uh, ran the stop sign, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or ran the red light or whatever it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, but now we know that he was distracted.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was he distracted?
[SPEAKER_00]: Was he passing out from the potassium injury?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was he going numb?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: because we learned the numbness was not from the accident, but from the potassium issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hadn't thought through the implications of what was going on there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, that's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And is there, yeah, I mean, there's a death involved, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: There has to be a minimum of an investigation as to, yeah, what if somebody's going to investigate?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, even if just for the insurance, even if there's incremental charges.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the police, I think, have our obligated to investigate, uh, to find out, you know, to determine.
[SPEAKER_00]: That leads to an initial investigation.
[SPEAKER_00]: See what exactly comes up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's tricky.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I think that that's gonna be a long term as you we see throughout the day I mean now we know that the wife is also having medical issues too, so
[SPEAKER_00]: Were you surprised?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, she's like, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm fine, I'm fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: She obviously was not fine from the beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I knew it was only a matter of time before it was going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just like, when is it going to happen?
[SPEAKER_01]: How are they unfold this?
[SPEAKER_00]: But the moment she declined attention it, like this is exactly why you go to the hospital after a car accident where you actually have trauma because you never know what's going on inside.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially, yeah, seatbelts and airbags, decrease that a lot, but any high velocity hard object in fact, you going into a seatbelt or a side panel?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you have no idea what what's the repercussions of that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's scary.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even like a deer, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You hit a deer, go to the hospital.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought it was really interesting too, because they used
[SPEAKER_01]: The two stories, they cross-linked them, and they even cross-linked them visually.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as the boyfriend, the father, and the girlfriend of the ITP patients,
[SPEAKER_01]: We're arguing, they rack the focus back and we saw, was it chin, but we're doing a really bad job of tracking all these names of these people.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll do a better job next week, I promise.
[SPEAKER_01]: I won't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can easily, I should be able to, to sketch out, you can get, I'll link you the IMDB, they have an episode by episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: names.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm, well, so I sometimes I don't like IMDB.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to get it perfectly.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's a good starting starter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've got some other resources.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just going to do the work a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: They rack the focus back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was watching the father and the girlfriend have an argument.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they rack back to the focus.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, wait, why did they do that?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, oh, right away, they had the whole thing where he wanted to report his, his feelings
[SPEAKER_01]: right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, very interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting sort of cross linking the storylines inside of the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I wanted to ask that, that's...
[SPEAKER_01]: That social worker, the actor, if we talk about this last week, I can't remember, he seems like a real social worker to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't seem like an actor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I could actually see that guy actually being an actual social worker.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got the band bun for it, but what I thought was weird was as he's telling Santos, like, I don't really know if there's a booster dot, he's like glaring at the girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I'm sure, in a way that's like, I am talking about you and it's not good things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right and I was like no good social worker is going to do that You know like yeah smile or don't look at her at all right
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... what else we got um... i can't think of much more i think those are most of my notes data just amazing hard of gold like i love her character and i love what they're doing with her uh... this season so far i'm so glad that she decided to you know come back that would have i think it would have been a big blow like not the actor but like the character right at the the character right side come back well you had a big deep dive on the fireworks
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, no, it's not really just a deep dive, just that the Zenbele was a guy in Newcastle, Pennsylvania and, uh, and in the Pittsburgh metropolitan area, uh, so did he, I don't think
[SPEAKER_01]: Louie could have, I think Louie would have had to met one of the children of the Zambelli like who was like Biden in the head, but like not the very first Zambelli.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that the time's overlooked.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't do a deep dive.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just basically looked up a quick internet search on Zambelli fireworks.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a real company.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it definitely has a connection to Pittsburgh.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we do also have security guard, campus security guard, Tony Chincholi, right, who is like, I love that seed where he's like, these methods, these crazy, crazy, crazy, and that, first of all, I'm not sure the hip-a-laws on this, where she's just like, let me read out the full-drawn test results to the cops in front of this security guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'll ignore it for the sake of the story, but I love the cops going, so that changes things, Tony, because why were you tazing him?
[SPEAKER_01]: They really played up the fact that he was a jerk, and it was like, okay, what are they doing with this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Where's this going to go?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think we all kind of knew what was going to happen with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was not going to go well once things came out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think that this kid was on any drugs.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they, you know, signal that right away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's having some sort of, there's some sort of episode that's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And whether it's schizophrenia or or something else, I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, he's definitely having a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: thing where the emergency room technicians are skilled now at dealing with taser barbs and how to pull them out like that's a technique that you have to learn.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right, you know, that I thought was also interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Terrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: There were two more pipelines that we didn't really touch on.
[SPEAKER_00]: One is just as for the defation who finally got acknowledged.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm so sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: At least they acknowledge why.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just so sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just though this ASL is in your file.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we got that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they took care of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like this person's going to stay with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we got you now.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got you now.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we fixed the.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've done what we can to to make it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that a patient passport issue?
[SPEAKER_00]: The patient hasport fail.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope not.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we've already seen the crack medical.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen the cracks of the patient passport.
[SPEAKER_00]: The guy is going one to two hours from my x-ray.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's probably double that on the holiday version.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Standardized.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is why you don't give a standardized estimate because it's right first days people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's 30 rockware bat Damon is a pilot and it says that whenever whenever there's a delay he tells people to it's about a half an hour because it's not so long while you're freaked out, but it's long enough where you know it's not going to be right away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just keep kicking 30 hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So did I just say owls?
[SPEAKER_01]: I try to what was the
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a, there was a very funny fight scene where they, I, I, I feel like I'm all over the place.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've nobody.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're talking about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when they're trapped on the airplane and she's breaking her, Matt Damon and Liz Lemon are breaking up, she, there's a whole gag about the legend of the Guardian's movie, which is about owls.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wants him that.
[SPEAKER_00]: He invokes Skylaw, which means he puts the seat belt sign on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we're not here to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, but but there was one other plot line.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to bring out which was the What which pill would you like today sir?
[SPEAKER_00]: How many did you take about seven weeks?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and when they showed the table Oh my god, I was like are you people serious right now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that is that a real thing is that I don't know I've never done this oh man that was scary.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was actually scary at least they sort of got them sorted out
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, they said it has sort of half life, but obviously they've got to stick around there for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like the reason they did this, I don't think they're going to do anything crazy with that guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they just want those people to be our sidelines for the next three or four hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're all drinking big drinks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember the doctor coming off the night shift, he had a big drink side.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's going on with the big drinks situation here?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's Dr. Shen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love Dr. Shen with his giant Duncan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: What about, uh, we haven't really talked about Robbie and, uh, all Hashimi.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, they seem to be doing counter looping now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they're going to go opposite directions.
[SPEAKER_00]: When she says you can see other people, um, flirting is this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't tell if she was flirting or not.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think flirting, you know, it was making a joke and I don't think it was real flirting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was making a joke.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's probably right.
[SPEAKER_00]: People were speculating because he had Robbie had that other thing with the coordinator.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the nurse said that coordinator.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So people were like, how many people is Robbie seeing when they saw that in that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that was in the coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right coming trailer was that one line with no context right so but in context I'm like, okay I think she's just kind of done with him and wants to be away for me
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, we're breaking up a little bit here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we'll go anyways.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think that there is a big issue of with the AI, the patient passports, a busy hospital, a busy urban hospital Dealing with a crowded and active situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're right that there's going to be some drama around there.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be some tension.
[SPEAKER_00]: absolutely, especially when they are going to get flooded with the patience right with it with the new code black.
[SPEAKER_01]: So here we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hang on to your shirts.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, are we done with this short episode that we did now were?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: It shows we did have been really do a proper patient line item on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did talk about all that I think though.
[SPEAKER_01]: It did be I think I feel like we missed some, but maybe that's just my brain being flooded with content right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he just did a couple of hours with Alicia today on our Oscar coverage.
[SPEAKER_01]: So look for that episode coming out soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: She and I run through the 10 best picture nominations and talk about the Oscars in general.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's pretty fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's got what 11 episodes planned for Oscar coverage this season.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't keep track of her.
[SPEAKER_00]: She just runs.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is an incredible feat, so Oscar fans look out for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a very good season, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good season for some films.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just started watching Begonia before we hopped on to record.
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, I cannot believe I slept on this film.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm invested 20 minutes in and I'm hooked.
[SPEAKER_00]: I might have to begone, the goan, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're going to land the most is the director.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Jesse played justice for Jesse Blimmins.
[SPEAKER_01]: He got new nominations and I believe it's a Todd.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never enjoyed him in anything including Todd.
[SPEAKER_00]: Seriously?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'd not a fan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a fan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it Tom?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got to be Todd from Breaking Bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking at him now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not a fan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know controversial take.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's right to stay for.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, look at that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like here at them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stay for the hot takes on dirty blimins.
[SPEAKER_00]: What else do we got going on?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so many things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, the night of the seven kingdoms three times a week.
[SPEAKER_00]: We once on the Lawrence feet and twice on properly Howard.
[SPEAKER_00]: you've got a full breakdown on Monday or Tuesday, whenever we can get the pot out, and then Sunday night instant take right after the episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you coming on this, it's a take.
[SPEAKER_00]: I forgot how to live, we'll come on this one, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great, yeah, it should be, I should be snowed it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, see if my power holds up, I think it will, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're we're we're we're breaking for impact right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So all of us here on the East Coast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never lost power here, which makes me think that I'm going to know you just change yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just maybe I just want to actually I don't remember now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you're just trying to get out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the grids pretty solid where I live because we get enough snow, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think radioactive ramblings are still covering fallout.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you watching fallout this season?
[SPEAKER_00]: I started watching it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have not gotten that far.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you know, last year didn't, it just wasn't a show that grabbed me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I loved it the first season.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did a lot of people did.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't Mac to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think it's doing good this season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, people are still liking it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that I just haven't had a chance to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll say.
[SPEAKER_01]: And uh, never mind the music is still turning up the hits.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's sort of it for active affiliate news, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anything else?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's that, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, should we thank some people?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's thank him.
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