[SPEAKER_00]: Hello everyone, and welcome to the Delta Fires journey through the wormhole with Quark Dax, and their good friends, Tom and Harry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Join us as we make our way through the episodes of Star Trek Deep Space 9.
[SPEAKER_02]: Your host, for today, are my fellow trek actors, Terry Farrell, Robert Duncan McNeill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, how is everybody hanging in there in during the cold weather, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you two made resolutions, New Year's resolutions?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to proclaim work out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't been considered this last year has been too much travel and not enough self care.
[SPEAKER_00]: Self care.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love to hear that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know when I start working out, I'll start feeling good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: it all goes together right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Robbie's already been on that workout regimen because look at him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the first couple weeks are hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Aren't they Robbie?
[SPEAKER_01]: They are hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are hard because you're sore and it's like, oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Start small.
[SPEAKER_01]: Start small and make a consistent, not long or intense.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's the best way.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I did last April.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just was like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to do a little something every day.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do a seven minute workout.
[SPEAKER_01]: How did you stop?
[SPEAKER_02]: But how did you prevent yourself from quitting?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because quitting is so easy to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: What did you do to keep yourself on the path?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, for me, it's really staying healthy.
[SPEAKER_01]: That I started last April was about health.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was about medical health, like getting healthy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so,
[SPEAKER_01]: I just kept reminding myself of why I was doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is for your life, your life.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think all the way though is what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you're looking to lose weight, that you have to look at is not just a diet, but a chain of life style.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the change has to do with your health.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because then it's not about the ego of what your body is free.
[SPEAKER_00]: What you want it to look like.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a driven by,
[SPEAKER_00]: self-care.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have, I have, I don't have it on now, but a garment watch that does all my health monitoring.
[SPEAKER_01]: Personally, my steps, heart rate and, and BMI and, uh, VO2MX and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I really used that.
[SPEAKER_01]: that help daily basis to check my numbers and so I was seeing like tiny little success and and I would just focus on that like, oh, you know, two, two tenths of a pound today.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't have to be a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just a little bit every day and it adds up.
[SPEAKER_02]: So tech actually helped you stick to your regimen in a way that did the data for sure, yeah, I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think the biggest thing is when people start working out there, they get frustrated quickly because they don't see any change or any quick immediate change.
[SPEAKER_02]: And my, an old friend of mine, Jake Roseberg would tell me,
[SPEAKER_02]: you need it takes your body 30 days to make to start to have the transformation.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you have to work out for 30 days and then you will at the end of that 30, you will begin to see your body changing more thing in.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's something that it's like a delayed satisfaction.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just have to and we're so about all about immediate gratification in this society, in this day and age.
[SPEAKER_02]: So to be able to sit back and be patient.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's very difficult for yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's difficult.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, birthday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Birthdays.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Birthdays.
[SPEAKER_02]: Birthdays.
[SPEAKER_00]: Birthdays.
[SPEAKER_01]: Birthdays.
[SPEAKER_00]: Terry said kick it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our next birthday is Heath K. January 28th.
[SPEAKER_00]: What a beautiful day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday Heath.
[SPEAKER_01]: And our last birthday this week is Ryan Tome on January 31st.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ryan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday, RT.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get into this episode via our poetry synopsis, starting with Robbie Duncan McNeill with his limerick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm very proud of this limerick this week.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to say, I did something new.
[SPEAKER_01]: So usually I try to do a limerick where I start at the beginning and try to capture the plot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, you know what, I'm not gonna do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just gonna capture this idea of odos.
[SPEAKER_01]: Feelings.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to talk about that and it seemed to open up my poetic
[SPEAKER_01]: creativity much better.
[SPEAKER_02]: But probably before you go, I just want to say that this is one of my favorite segments is listening to you do your limerick because of yes and so I don't even look at the script.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a script in front of us on our laptops.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't look at it beforehand.
[SPEAKER_02]: I look at you your face so I can let it wash over me for the first time because so many times they're so good and they're so far away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, this one's funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: When the timelines snap them back to their place, shame and regret showed across Odo's face.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now the team truly knew what he once let come true, all his guilt that survived time and space.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, very deep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It kind of captures Odo's.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't even have to review this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, thank you ladies and gentlemen.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're finished.
[SPEAKER_00]: Robbie encapsulated everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was very good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do not have one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I apologize.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: No worries.
[SPEAKER_02]: No worries.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's my IQ or things past.
[SPEAKER_02]: Plasma storm brings past.
[SPEAKER_02]: Odo relives a mistake forced to reveal truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of clean too, yeah, it's clean and steep and I think, I mean this is, it's a very satisfying one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a tough one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Written by Michael Taylor directed by Lavar Burton.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is Michael Taylor related to Jerry Taylor?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: No relation.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was dying to ask.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you can.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, guest are as Mark Alima was to caught Andrew J. Robinson as garrick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kurt Woodsmith is Thrax, Victor Bavain as Balar, Brendan Beard as a soldier, Luan Lowe as O'Kala, Judy Durand as station computer voice.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, trivia.
[SPEAKER_02]: According to memory alpha, Robert, Stuart Wolf, let me just get to this very quickly.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, according to Robert Heward Wolf, the producers had wanted to do another terror-norshow ever since the popular reception of the episode necessary evil in the second season.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, they were not keen on doing another memory's flashback show, and the only other thing that they could come up with was time-traveling, which they also wished to avoid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ultimately, it was Michael Taylor, who came up with the idea of using the subconscious of a character as a gateway of sorts into the past.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, the original pitch, like Otele's original pitch, differed substantially from the finished form of the episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Initially, he had Cisco, DAX, Gerek, and Oto waking up from a dream to find that they are still in a dream, and are actually in one of another's dreams.
[SPEAKER_02]: The denomal of the episode would reveal that Oto is having the master dream and that everything they experienced was from his past.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I kind of like it better that they didn't wake up from a dream.
[SPEAKER_02]: It became more sci-fi, I feel, when they went through the plasma storm.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I wish they would have showed the plasma storm.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's another thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I did it too.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was, all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's, that's a little bit of info there yet to have a little view point there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Secondly, the impetus to create a dark pass for Odo came from the writer's desire.
[SPEAKER_02]: to Sully, his character, to a degree, as Ronald D. Moore explains, one of the things that always drove the writing staff nuts was the idea that Odo had been a policeman during the Cardassian occupation, but had never gotten his hands dirty, that he had been above it all, and that everybody had trusted him.
[SPEAKER_02]: We never bought that.
[SPEAKER_02]: it seemed to me that if I were a bejorin, I wouldn't trust the cop who's still on duty from the occupation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Somewhere along the line, something bad went down on Otos Watch and things past was the show to say it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But pretty cool that insight, though, of what they were doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that was, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was a very powerful part of the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's always interesting to when you hear the original pitch was very different than where they ended up, because to me that's a sign that, and we'll get into it as we talk about the episode, but I think this is a, it's a really strong episode in a lot of ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: and also flawed in a lot of ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when I hear that, oh, the writers, they pitch one thing, they wrote another, it always feels to me like, oh, that could be trouble because they're not clear on how this story unfolds in a way that's gonna be.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, fulfilling that they're trying to sort of a bunch of different stories and they end up somewhere in the middle of all of them if that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, totally makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're they end up with something less than what they wanted to have.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's the what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's sort of less dramatic because they don't know what the actual thing to focus on, you know, stay focused on the arc of the arc of the arc.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's less dynamic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that a good way to say?
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like when they struggle and they debate these stories, it leads to often, you know, trying to serve too many masters.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to make a little model.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember David Livingston gave me some great advice when I was shouting him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He told, and I've mentioned this before, but he said, go read.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a grammar book from high school English class.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said, go read the book.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lowest degree is the author, and it's called the Art of Dramatic Writing.
[SPEAKER_01]: David Living says that read the first chapter about premise or thesis.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said that.
[SPEAKER_01]: is the most important thing to directing or storytelling, I think, is to know the story that you're telling and how you can articulate that.
[SPEAKER_00]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you talk about the author?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't know the story, how are you directing it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in that book, he breaks it down very simply.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, um the art of dramatic writing by the art of I have it somewhere because you passed time.
[SPEAKER_00]: You brought this Yeah, I'm gonna bring it up again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be brought up the book before.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he did and so on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just haven't read it yet
[SPEAKER_00]: You haven't got it right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: They haven't got it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, I'm so impressed.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's you are.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't know how interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I'll come visit you and we'll read it together.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very short book.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I want everyone to thank David Livingston for this because it is a great book on writing or filmmaking or anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just boils it down.
[SPEAKER_01]: The author's name is Lejos L.A.J.
[SPEAKER_01]: O.S.
[SPEAKER_01]: last name, E.G.
[SPEAKER_01]: R.I.
[SPEAKER_01]: That to me is what's missing in this episode as rich in character, background and all of that and emotional fuel, that's all there, but what's missing is that arc or that simple story that in Lewis Agree's book or Layhouse Agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: He sort of boils it down in a way that I use that still when I direct.
[SPEAKER_01]: I try to come up with my premise or my thesis statement, and that's going to be my lighthouse for the whole episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know where I'm going.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: So while in production, this episode was jokingly christened Nightmare on Odo Street by Director Levar Burton.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, this episode is the very first appearance of Garrick ever since the fourth season episode broken link where he was sentenced to six months in prison for sabotage and assaulting warf.
[SPEAKER_02]: Apparently this episode is set six months after the time that broken link took place.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even, I'm sorry guys, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it doesn't feel like it was referenced at all during it would have been nice if they had something like Right, you know, yeah, yeah, it must be nice being out of the clank, you know, yeah, finally.
[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just use clink is clink used to jail.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's like from me think of home in heroes when you said that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know clank.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, if they had said something in that reference, that would have been great for all of us to sort of catch them a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: and re-establish something real.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that seems like reality that we haven't seen him in all this time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it reminds the audience, especially now that I'm thinking about it, I'm sorry, I just jumped thoughts, but because we were syndicated and also at that time, if you missed it, it was like, oh my gosh, I'm lost in the story.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it would be, it's prudent if we don't have one of those,
[SPEAKER_00]: previously on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we did ourselves a disservice in the story telling.
[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was one of Renee O'Bushen was favorite episodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, quote, I loved the script.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it was a character whom we've come to believe always tells the truth.
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, in the pilot, he says to DeCott, there's one thing that you know about me, I never lie.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've tried to be consistent with that, but that doesn't mean he doesn't lie to himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is this wonderfully contradictory character in that he's made of liquid, but he's very rigid.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, it's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Rocklofton and Colmeanie do not appear in this episode, sadly, it would be great to have their contributions.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in the final bit of trivia in this episode, Warf says, run about Pad 1.
[SPEAKER_02]: In every single other episode of DCS9, run about pads are mentioned by letter, not number.
[SPEAKER_02]: So my question to you, too, is there a deeper meaning to this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there a deeper, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because we've already heard from Armin, the whole feeling of, you know, Why, why bring someone from TNG to our show?
[SPEAKER_02]: We're fine on our own kind of a thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I thought was this another way that the writer secretly, you know, I was even bare sort of saw a, now not at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's just everyone's in a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's something that gets missed by the person who is supposed to be doing the fact check.
[SPEAKER_00]: or beauty brown or whoever's subbing beauty brown.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that could have been somebody subbing because I think because Judy worked on next gen that she would have caught that.
[SPEAKER_02]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: People have sick days, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So someone could have filled in and didn't catch something there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Robbie, let's jump into this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's jump into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We start on this run about, and Garark is basically very insulted that the Bajoran's argued everything that he shared at this conference about the Cardiacing Occupation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything that he said, they were counterpoint and would argue him on everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's insulted, and Odo's kind of grumpy, he was off to me immediately.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which, the spoiler alert, I'll say, that's fundamentally my problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that he starts with something clearly going on?
[SPEAKER_01]: And this journey doesn't seem as surprising or taking him off guard, because it seems like he's expecting it in some way.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you felt like he was even more grumpy than normal?
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he was.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was off to himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just odd to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't clock, I didn't clock it, so I need to watch it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was about him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, I didn't clock it though.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to watch it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think we should know it's about him and the people who are not up against him.
[SPEAKER_01]: A couple of scenes, we should discover, like, oh, everybody's saying the Bajoran's Hale Odo was a hero.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's basically like this mythical, you know, God of justice or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he had been happy and proud about that,
[SPEAKER_01]: and then suddenly this plasma storm hits and throws him off in any way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting ahead of myself, but to me in this first scene, he was already so grumpy and they're saying, but you were a hero.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I immediately was suspicious.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he had nowhere to go, he had nowhere to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: that makes sense no that makes total total sense so do you think maybe Renee had had had already been working on the script so much and and he was in that mode because he had to shoot a later scene you I'm waiting could that have been an actor choice it could have been suggested in the script itself um
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but I, that's one of the things that I thought, oh, I'm, I immediately, my, I immediately, my focus went to him and it shouldn't have.
[SPEAKER_02]: It should not have gone to him at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it should have stayed on garrick basically, or, or, whoever, everybody else.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if they had gone with what we suggested earlier, meaning accepting the fact that he had been in prison for six months and somehow showing that, maybe he has totally a whole beard or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, maybe he looks like the, but he just something that kind of sets him aside, where he's the focus, that would have taken that record photo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do Cardiaci and Shave?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do they have facial pink?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they're here for a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they are reptile.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then they could see like,
[SPEAKER_02]: What's with the law here?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you haven't heard cuts since you were in jail exactly exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got this huge front door.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was just big hair and get a haircut per week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Amen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, we learned that Odo made friends on both sides that that came up with this conference and yeah, he doesn't seem very happy about it at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, Gary's really upset.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says my understanding of this conference was that it was supposed to be an examination of the occupation from a dispassionate historical perspective.
[SPEAKER_01]: But instead, everyone went out of their way to dismiss virtually everything I said.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he was personally insulted.
[SPEAKER_02]: MIFT.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go to ops next.
[SPEAKER_01]: The shuttles were turning.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a new officer in ops.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Kala.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we've seen her before.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Jordan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But she's got bad news.
[SPEAKER_01]: No response from the shuttle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's on autopilot.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's heading towards the station.
[SPEAKER_01]: And
[SPEAKER_01]: life signs are very weak on this show.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this was my problem with this entire episode was this very beginning.
[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't show the inciting incident.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was sort of like, they're talking the last thing you have here is Cisco says, and a legend is born talking about how Odo's like, they're God.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the next things will call it, oh, I'm detecting they're coming in.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're all actually dying.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're dying.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, what?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why isn't there a flash of like kind of one of those big things that they do anything special effects And then cut to the Thank you, so that that that's the only thing that made me go what so that was it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would imagine it was probably so well on the on the positive side I was in this op scene
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Levar.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even clock who directed this until you read it today.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, Levar did a great job though.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a beautiful one on ops.
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole thing pushes all the way into a worth close-up at the end from a wide shot and him moving across and revealing
[SPEAKER_01]: officer.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was a beautiful beautifully directed on it was elegant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, elegant.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's very elegant director.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he always smell so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't he smells good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love this.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's hugging Levar is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a lavender patch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Levar was the only director who addressed my sweatiness to try to help me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he came up to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: He noticed you overheating.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was, yeah, and he was a sweater.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gary was a sweater too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, but Lavar was a sweater as well, because I've learned that from wardrobe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every Star Trek show has one sweater, Voyager with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: TNG was Lavar, a flocks for Enterprise.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure who DS9's a sweater was, but Lavar walks up to me and he's like, he's like, G-Man, you're sweating pretty bad, but I get you.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to bring a towel, a cold towel.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to put it on your,
[SPEAKER_02]: pressure point on your wrist.
[SPEAKER_02]: He told me got technical with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, Levar.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, I didn't even call him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Call him would have been your sweater.
[SPEAKER_01]: The sweater is sweaty as a person.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't get.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would guess from some of the dirt.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was the one who was like, Oh, they tried to mess me up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I still, you know, they had the theory.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't brush myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Jerry would have to put.
[SPEAKER_00]: the dirt on me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, well, end with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't start with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bravo.
[SPEAKER_02]: I find it funny that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember the episode with the bell riots?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the gang lands on the planet.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's boys and Terry, basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's that and the boys.
[SPEAKER_02]: and the boys are getting stabbed, beat on, and everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Terry gets elevated to this life of luxury, by the camera that she's doing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she gets to go to the salon.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's well, coffee has new clothes.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's eating like rich foods.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in this episode,
[SPEAKER_02]: You think crap happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dax is the, if the boys are in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right, they're taking, and then Dax is elevated to the level of the, the station supervisor or they just know where you belong to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, everybody just knows.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did get hit with a phaser, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: You did, you did.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you had, you had some, you had some make up.
[SPEAKER_00]: They called make up, called Ducat's girlfriend.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did, yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I like your sins with the gold, Ducat, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had some good, you did some good work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we cut to the run about after Wolf says he calls Bashir and says, uh, you know, we need a medical team right away.
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut back to the run about everybody's knocked out their unconscious in their seats.
[SPEAKER_01]: The team beams on scans everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Bashir says in this scene, I'm not sure if I can revive them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So whatever he's picked up there, they're very weak life signs and they don't know why.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no information.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is going to become a running theme with Bashir.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be like, I told you, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I still don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't he try to investigate something about the plasma storm?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he did.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does eventually.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's yeah, we'll get there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we'll get there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought they were frozen for some reason when the camera pan didn't I just thought they were all frozen in time, but they were they were just looked like they looked weird it.
[SPEAKER_02]: What you agree then with me it was a little funky looking it was off the way guys were posed right when it going to come.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, just like what's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, like we're in coma.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we weren't kind of in coma.
[SPEAKER_00]: You were in coma.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we cut randomly into this Terek Nor ghetto, basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're on the promenade back in time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wrote down flashback question mark.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't sure if this was
[SPEAKER_01]: a flashback or where we were, you know, and we seen it before in the episode like we've seen it before, but we just don't know, like is it now or is it in the past or what is it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it'd have to be in the past because we'd have to, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, we're not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're not in the universe.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was hard to know, but Cisco wakes up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I go to alternate universe.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Cisco wakes up, beautiful crane shot, pulls back, we see.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Jordan miners everywhere, beautiful pull back.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was, I was a little confused, like, how did we jump here?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't know how it happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's knocked out on the bridge.
[SPEAKER_01]: And suddenly, they're here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are we in their headmines?
[SPEAKER_01]: It started making more sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: But did you, what was your first reaction?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you think it was dream sequence?
[SPEAKER_02]: What did you think when you saw it?
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was a time jump.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought they had never really jumped back in time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which I guess you do in a certain sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought we were ourselves, naturally, and until, is this the one where we see gold to cut?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, not quite yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Belar, this pejorim prisoner comes up to them, wakes them all up, and basically says, don't do drugs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't sleep on the promenade and don't do drugs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right, right, right, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they call it chemicals, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, it's just been the night taking chemicals.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the way to see that drug.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, don't do drugs, people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco says let's get out of here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about this somewhere else and I did notice they reuse the crane because they had the last shot at that scene The first the first scene was the big pullback on the crane and then they probably just moved it over and looked straight down as they ran out So there we go very very efficient look for full use of that current rental level.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well if you've got it Yeah, yeah, but wanted
[SPEAKER_01]: We go back to surgery, a nice reveal on the, the four of them laying on the bio beds.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought pulled down from that monitor on the ceiling and the wide shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and I love what they created to put over our faces.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was jealous.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was so jealous of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: The way we were kind of our heads were all together.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a metrometric role that is just the composition we see.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't have that on our show.
[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't have those little head things like that on our own way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think to this episode, I don't remember seeing them only for this episode period.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and what I thought the beds are, that's not how they normally are.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, Levar just didn't care.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I'm going to make a pretty old care.
[SPEAKER_00]: How are you?
[SPEAKER_00]: And good for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's exactly what you should do when you're directing.
[SPEAKER_01]: but she says their brain seemed to have some, you know, very high activity in their brains, but they're not responding to any kind of stimuli.
[SPEAKER_01]: He can't get their, you know, consciousness to wake up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Worf says the shuttle appears to have hit some kind of plasma storm.
[SPEAKER_01]: And be sure this is where he looks up the records of plasma storms.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he says, well, there's no records that a plasma storm could cause all this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there was something specific he says.
[SPEAKER_02]: He asked about because they talk about a plat.
[SPEAKER_02]: The computer says the plasma storms, um, the computer brings up all the stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And specified neural readings.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's our no recorded casual relationships between plasma storms and specific neural readings.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the picture says nine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why it's kind of.
[SPEAKER_02]: but then he asks Bashir asks a well how many medical records are there on space plasma phenomena and then the committee goes 5,000 and 21 which means he has a lot of reading to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, which is how he is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how he is the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got some reading to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what seems very passive in when you've got your, you know, captain or your, you know, oh, the urges was not there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: What bothered me is there was no urgency on the on the on the on the on the be side of that on the be side of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not unconscious, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but she was way too like relaxed about the thing that's how it came off to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it didn't seem like there was real jeopardy other than sleeping beauty.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just sleeping beauties.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like what the heck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish there was more jeopardy like their bodies or the brains are failing and if they stay in this too much longer, we lose them.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was never a taking clock on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it was too casual.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we go back to the Taric Norghetto.
[SPEAKER_01]: They find a private corner.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are going to catch up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco seems very calm in the scenes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember it's like, what the f, but he's very calm.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to say calm, I'm going to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: ready to just jump.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I heard to get like, oh my god, and and Odo's terrified of his arrow.
[SPEAKER_01]: I auto is like, yeah, he's been terrified just for a scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was all, everybody was playing like different myself and Cisco or like trying, well, I think it's because we were trying to work it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think of like, I suppose.
[SPEAKER_00]: Reason and
[SPEAKER_02]: Robby used the descriptive word calm.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to use sedated is what I was saying that Yeah, he was sedated.
[SPEAKER_02]: He took a valium right before the series.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just so like what?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it was I was trying to figure it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: You were the only one that was actively in the scene Everyone else was like, we're at riser right now in the spa like Robby said they're right I was like, huh
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a little spa vibes, which was weird to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, they realized that they realized that they realized in the scene, everyone sees them as bejorim.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not seeing them as women.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that helped a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because because when we see gold to a cot and he doesn't recognize us, there was a moment where he looked down and it was like, yes, and I got they've been made.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then nothing happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that was good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was good.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was, that was a detail that helped explain everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they realized everyone's seeing them as Bajorans.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they see each other as they really are.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're, they're, they don't know why that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And isn't this the scene where we're changed?
[SPEAKER_02]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: And isn't this the scene where one of you says, oh, maybe it's a holiday program that we're in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they try to end the halt.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is this the same scene?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was funny to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, when they see Duke hot, they decide to run.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as they're running, Otos in the back of this group.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he bumps into a ghost question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's hard to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he looks super gray.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I thought he had to be dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he had the hole, the phaser hole in his chest.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a clue.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a hard character, but nobody else saw him, Joe Stodo.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Has they asked Odo about him, I think?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, his name is Thrax.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo bumps into the man with a phaser burn and the Cisco says, Odo, who was that?
[SPEAKER_01]: And Odo says, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe they did see somebody, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that it was a war zone.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they didn't indicate or make clear that we saw the man because that threw me to that moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, is this, I like the idea of other people.
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't see in the person.
[SPEAKER_00]: because we didn't see the blood on his hands later.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's other things we don't see.
[SPEAKER_00]: So how did Cisco?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little inconsistent.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is where I go to the writers we're trying to tell a couple different stories in the land in the middle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I could see that too.
[SPEAKER_01]: But by the way, Renee was doing a great job of
[SPEAKER_01]: playing the paythos and playing that shane and you feel like beautiful work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think it should have been, you know, kind of shaped a little differently from the writer side.
[SPEAKER_02]: You like you said they try to make the makeup look like that person was dead like a ghost, but in a very split millisecond when the when the actor turned, you could see a bit of regular skin and it was like, ah, you should have covered that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that to me just pulls me out and made
[SPEAKER_02]: even if it's a 100th of a second of screen time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or if you see like their, like, Odo's lip coming on Don or anything that anybody's eye in the cart to have scenes, it's just funny that they shot your show on film on 35 millimeter film and they didn't get daily, until the next day, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So they may have seen it after the fact and kind of said, well,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's too long.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go back and shoot it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas nowadays you'd have high definition monitors, big monitors, you'd be able to see it right away immediately on set.
[SPEAKER_01]: You would see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even if you don't have the time to fix it, you may say shoot it anyway and will fix it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's it's it's a very easy cleanup in post.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could clean that up now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's for now today's not then.
[SPEAKER_02]: The other thing about this guy, that's the ghost guy, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: The phaser, it was in, there was like in indentation in his chest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was, and that to me also made me go like, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did someone punch him with like, what's what's going on here?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because that was really weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think if you get shot with a phaser, it causes a phaser burn, but it doesn't indent your chest like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I didn't
[SPEAKER_02]: understand what was happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, wait a minute, is that a, was there a tube that connected in there?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, is he a, is he a gemadaar?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is he some other alien?
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was, wasn't clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo's mind, or if he was physically physically there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it could have been clear if photograph it in a way that you were clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is in Odo's head.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the physical world.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this should have been established with the first guy he saw.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was not clear.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, and you had to think about it a little bit with which is fine, but assuming this person on Brett in retrospect was one of the people that was murdered in the trio.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then why not have the trio or make it there?
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys are the trio.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, that's the confusing part is you guys are the stand-ins for the right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not my guess as he bought into the ghost that he was representing correct because isn't he in the body of one of the Yeah, but see we're having that whole conversation about it
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the other way that you could have made this clearer is if the camera was walking with Odo and suddenly Odo jumps or bumps into a guy and it spins around and you see the guy is nose to nose and Odo starts to scream or something and then you cut back wide to a full shot of his guard.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's by himself screaming, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we
[SPEAKER_01]: And if the question from Cisco is, Odo, what just happened?
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I saw someone or, you know, it just wasn't clear whether that was a real person or not.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if Odo is in the body of one of the people that is about to get shot, then he wouldn't be seeing himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of questions could have been answered by the way it was shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, it was shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, at the end of this scene, these guards come up and they grab dacks.
[SPEAKER_01]: They say, you know, you're coming with us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Garrick offers them two strips of latinum that tries to bribe them and the soldier looks up at Duca who's watching them.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's tempted for a second, sees Duca.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then he hits Garrick knocks him down hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: into some boxes or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Classic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's always boxes in the bejorin.
[SPEAKER_00]: To get places to cut.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did it to get points with the cut.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course he did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they take Dax.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's been selected, they say.
[SPEAKER_01]: So off they go.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be on the right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Dax is like, I'll be fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: This go tries to run.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we don't know what you're being selected for.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we have a good fighter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go to the surgery scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: And another nice shot by Lavar here, kind of wrapping around to reveal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Start sound low.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then rises up and reveals.
[SPEAKER_01]: Garrick's nose is bleeding.
[SPEAKER_01]: So in real life, from the dream or from this other dimension, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: his nose is bleeding in the surgery center there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So in real time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which is kind of nightmare on Elm Street-ish in a way because people are unconscious and then things happen and you'll see things happening to them while they're unconscious too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So very more movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Favorite horror movies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's a great series.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great franchise.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the first one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got this song memorized.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what's crazy?
[SPEAKER_02]: Robert England who plays the main, you know, bad guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: In person, the nicest guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Possibly ever come across.
[SPEAKER_02]: This guy is like a, in person, a beam of sunshine is what he is.
[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, it's so funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: He plays that guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, after our commercial break, we come back to surgery.
[SPEAKER_01]: But she just says, maybe this is psychosomatic.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's happening?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because like, what?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So somatic, he's noticed out.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's in a coma.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does say that if he's experienced too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he says if he's experiencing something in this state that severe enough that he could hurt himself like his body could respond, you know, a hard, he could stop his heart or break a blood vessel in his brain and warf again says, what is causing all this doctor?
[SPEAKER_01]: And Bashir says, at the risk of repeating myself, I just don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, it's all too casual.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why isn't there some urgency around we need to figure what what this is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it seemed like a non-ending at that scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, I don't know again.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like it has the stomach flu.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's just so casual.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, yeah, well, we'll figure it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we go back to the ghetto into this other dimension.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't know why Dax has been taken.
[SPEAKER_01]: They decide to try and figure out whose bodies they're in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Gara mentions he's got this secret Cardassian security code and he picked pocket to the soldier.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's got a, I'm asking in device.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a part pick pocket.
[SPEAKER_00]: So many times.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that and I loved that that happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: He picked pocketed him as he's being punched.
[SPEAKER_02]: How did that even happen?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's nobody knows.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's talent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he did offer the Latin him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He got up close.
[SPEAKER_00]: So is that where happened?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's because he's had practice.
[SPEAKER_00]: in these situations.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he takes this device.
[SPEAKER_01]: He scans his go uses his code.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says Cisco is an electronics engineer named Ishen Chay scans himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says I'm an artist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Name Julian Cuetta.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jill Er.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jalar, probably, or Jalar, and then he scans Odo, but Odo jumps right in.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, I know who I am.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a bookkeeper with a family and my name is Tamar Lundy, Lundy, and they ask him, how do you know this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Which I've been wondering this whole episode, like, you know more than he said.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how do you know this, but we don't get an answer because Quark arrives and makes an offer for them to work in his bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and he's like, mean Quark in a little, was he mean, he just seemed like very matter of fact, ish, I don't know if he was that mean.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like slaves to him, you know, respect or regard for them, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's mean.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he says 12 hours of work, two five minute breaks, and one strip of Latin image.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's mean.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: How much is one specific interval wage?
[SPEAKER_00]: Could you imagine if we were on the set for 12 hours working, and we only got two?
[SPEAKER_00]: One dollar and ten minutes of a break.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: In 12 hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not good.
[SPEAKER_00]: what's cork munching on when he comes over he's like she's snacking while he's talking right yes it's awesome yeah i think i'm going to say corn next is really lavara's really good at giving you an activity you know business okay yes because it does help you act because it does real it's whatever it is like when you see uh like Laura Lenny will be putting dishes away or something and you know she created that action for herself
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a stage actress too, and so those kinds of things, I think, lend whatever it is that's being filmed, whether it's super low budget or high budget, it just brings you into the scene like it's a real place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have it a real activity.
[SPEAKER_02]: The king of that envoy drew his bobocardo because as the doctor, he could walk around and pick up all these things and have business.
[SPEAKER_02]: And for us on the bridge, we couldn't go anywhere and have business where in one spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can't pick anything up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all flat to console, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Robby, so that was the hardest thing being brought by giving ourselves business of pushing a couple of buttons to look realistic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Same.
[SPEAKER_00]: Same.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a blessing when you have something you're pretending to look at on the monitor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Quark offers them a job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Claiming.
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah cleaning and off they go we cut to do caught's office where dax has been taken he says her name is lead a very clever Terry thank you thank you that wasn't my doing but i think that was clever it was but dax is very scared we i thought i thought your scenes uh with do caught were really good by the way
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I thought I think what my motivation of being scared was just being afraid that he might rape me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know?
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know the other thing that happened that you didn't expect to happen is when you said, leader, it's almost like you took on the persona of leader of being a little bit more self-spoken and so you're fear of being possibly sexually assaulted.
[SPEAKER_02]: became leader the character for me and you said that's how I was like oh my god this is so meta so I was kind of flipping out a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Ducaut says he reveals I'm not here to abuse you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not as bad as everybody says.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want a friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm lonely.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he says, you know, I'm a complicated man.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Dax responds at the end, she goes, you know, you're a lot different than I imagined.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought this was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was good for his character.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was great work on your side.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was, these scenes were really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when we toasted, it was like I'd relax some.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, you had an art, you had a real arc in this scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is this is a great example of what I was talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: You started out playing scared and apprehensive and really nervous, and then you got to a place of more confidence.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it gave your character a journey, whereas I felt that journey was missing for Odo a bit in this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it didn't have the others.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, for me, this really was a satisfying scene because it tracked prior episodes of DS9 when we realized that DeCott has a daughter who's half the Jordan and half capacity.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now we know this interaction.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is his regular thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: He finds he pips a random gal.
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe they don't work out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they sent back to the minds of Maria, or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they pick another one.
[SPEAKER_02]: But eventually he bonded with the woman who became the mother of his child.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so now we have this fill-in of backstory, which was very satisfying to see.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I love the fact that they tracked and something that I'm so jealous because I'm Voyager, nothing tracked.
[SPEAKER_02]: So to see something tracked this far forward is like, oh, thank goodness.
[SPEAKER_02]: connecting the episodes, connecting the episodes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we go to Quark's next.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's after hours, our gang is cleaning up.
[SPEAKER_01]: These trays of glasses and dishes and garrick mentions he never knew how the cleaning was so hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Cisco's like, everything's tidy when someone else is doing a great intro.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's not true.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does mention he thinks Bajorans are much better suited for this kind of work, which I thought was just rude, very, very, very specious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Cisco says, great.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be sure to mention that to Kira when we get back, which made me laugh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Oda's very nervous though, cleaning up here, he does see three bajorans with chest wounds walking along the promenade, and he panics.
[SPEAKER_01]: He shares that he knew all these names, he finally shares what they asked him in the last scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you know all this?
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, well, I knew it from security files that those three that just walked by were publicly executed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Cisco says, well, we'd better find a way out of here before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, bump bump bump bump.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also odd that Odo doesn't come clean right in the beginning.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's his character would be like, guys, this is what happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and it's no he's keeping everything in for this entire episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're like, what's happening?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so opposite of who we know Odo to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he shares this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now they're kind of up today with who they are, what the stakes are, and they got to get out of here before they get executed, because they are the three people that were executed in the security files.
[SPEAKER_01]: A little later on, Thrax is asking Quark about a smuggler named Lavara, and Thrax says the Obsidian Order has been tracking this guy, this captain, and we've been tracking him in his associates.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quark finally spills the truth that he offered Quark some Moragee crystals.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then, once said, I refuse them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Therax says, well, you better be telling the truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he leaves.
[SPEAKER_01]: This has been garric uses his device to look at some records and says, Odo was a constable seven years ago, not Therax.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a weird, so this is the first time we're starting to go away in a minute.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo's not completely telling the truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Therax was not the constable at this in this timeline.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Garrick's starting to put that together.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like his ego's trying to hide what happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco says, you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Kira shared a signal with me that the resistance used to call for help.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, let's get out of here and they'll go do that after they finish a quarks.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll they'll call for some backup and that'll that'll get them out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the bitch orange sector.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, from the bitch orange.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll use Kira's secret super secret code, which is about to come up in a minute.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that he's memorizing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, when he's describing that, I'm like, that's just gotta be complicated.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we cut to the next scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: There at the, I guess, the food station.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he takes a vase.
[SPEAKER_01]: He takes this vase.
[SPEAKER_01]: He stops.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he just turns it over.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then he goes in the soup kitchen.
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes to sit down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the signal.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was so funny because when he did that, I thought, was that just,
[SPEAKER_00]: He just corrected how maybe they had no long way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, what is he doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: I did not put that together at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, because they didn't have something more complex, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Something much more, like, I mean, even when the guy came to the table, I didn't go, oh, I didn't get it either.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I thought I was just kind of trying to fit in and shopping and looking and then putting it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even know that was the code.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he had the buzz in the wrong way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the secret signal to flipping over a vase.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even Odo or Garrick is like, that's ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just turn over the vase and the resistance appears and Odo says, yeah, simple and a fabulous deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, apparently I missed that sentence.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we see Dukot enter the ghetto here early in the scene, followed by Dax.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so Cisco, at least knows that Dax is okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is where Otos starts to drink his soup, but his hands are covered in blood.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Drops the spoon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Drops the soup.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did that register as blood to you guys because to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it looked like butterscotch sauce or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't really that blood Looked strawberry jam something.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like what you can't find real.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I was blood.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did after the second watch viewing
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was soup.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was his, oh, that he made soup there made it soup on his hands.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it didn't when it disappeared at least that was clear I was like, oh, he's having a hallucination Yeah, I'm so like the first one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why wasn't that clear every single time?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't consistent.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has this hallucination, but he covers.
[SPEAKER_01]: He lies.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, oh, I just dropped my spoon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand why they don't comment yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that should have happened quicker to believe that he dropped his spoon because it was a terrible cover and the whole him thinking of the lie took too long.
[SPEAKER_00]: It should have been immediate.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's so suspicious.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why people aren't going hold on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stop everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: What the heck is going on?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's too obvious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's such an nervous wreck.
[SPEAKER_01]: A nervous wreck.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like a desert.
[SPEAKER_00]: So not himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's no time for them to question Odo about why he's so freaked out because Bellar, this resistance fighter arrives and asks, you know, I saw you flipped that vase over, what do you need?
[SPEAKER_02]: Very handsome resistance fighter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very handsome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: Heroic.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like how you always notice that Garrett.
[SPEAKER_01]: I noticed that.
[SPEAKER_00]: God was like penitension.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Garrett.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think everyone has had some in their own way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone has a level after modeling.
[SPEAKER_00]: You see beautiful people that are not nice people.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you go, oh yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: and the truth is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what's inside is way more important.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I mean, you can see that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then you start to see people in the beauty that they hold all in their own, not because they're photogenic, not because they have straight teeth or
[SPEAKER_01]: But Jordan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he couldn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he wasn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he couldn't help it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he was not for He was kind of a jerk.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he was a but he couldn't have been a but Jordan model before becoming a member of the resistance as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, then he just got to Hoidi Toidi and then he turned into a pain in the ass.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a pain in the ass.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this meeting is basically Cisco saying we need to get off the station and Belar is like why and he says, well, you know, so Belar starts running through things he says we're not just a commuter service if it's a dispute over over chemicals or women or smuggling, we're not going to help you.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you've killed one of the spoon heads, and is this the first time that we've heard I've never heard that before.
[SPEAKER_00]: The rockatory waves call about the Kardashians because I don't, I don't remember that at all, but that's that weird thing that those enter their forehead, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like when they're eyebrows.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they are spoon heads and it's oh my goodness It's just why did it take so long for that so I'm gonna take it right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, but it took till season five for someone like Kira would use that she would have said.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she's mad.
[SPEAKER_00]: She made it up Kira made it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: She probably did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's give her credit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Garek is very insulted by that Garek gets really offended by that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't like which I thought was funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was in Cisco's like not now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry
[SPEAKER_01]: calm down.
[SPEAKER_01]: But before they can get insulted and get into a fight about the term spoon heads, there's an explosion and do cotton dacks are injured.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this explosion and our heroes go to help.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to help dacks.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to help do cotton.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're seeing if they're okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when Odo says we have to leave.
[SPEAKER_01]: We should leave.
[SPEAKER_01]: We should not be here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's right because they get arrested.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, he says Captain, no, because as Cisco is running towards, he knows the case of what happened in the real time, which is they ran to go on.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you would have been helpful if he shared with all of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, if he had been, you know, on his front, but he didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: We wouldn't be in this puzzle because he's tortured over this big regret.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we got to a holding cell.
[SPEAKER_01]: The cells are very crowded and noisy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looked like the human society to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, look like everybody's crowded.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or a raid bust.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it was a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Garic is very insulted that he doesn't have a nicer cell.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is when Thrax enters, informs some of the Kardashians that there's of their sentences, they're pretty light sentences.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he comes to our gang and he shares the evidence.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it seems logical that, you know, he's got the evidence that they did this.
[SPEAKER_01]: They tried to assassinate to cock.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Oto gets really passionate here.
[SPEAKER_01]: He argues it's all circumstantial.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything that you're saying is, is evidence is circumstantial.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not what happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not true.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Thrax says, you'll be given your final sentence just before the council meets this afternoon, which reminded me that Cardassians decide the outcome and then have a
[SPEAKER_01]: I trust.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I forgot about that too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was a little confused.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought all of those people were rounded up for the bombing, but that's not true.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were for other reasons as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess he was giving them their sentences before they're hearing started.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have the final sentence because they haven't gotten.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And one guy got lucky.
[SPEAKER_00]: Someone paid his.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bay, oh, another.
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone got to leave, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Auto bags in this scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just, you know, let me talk to you privately, just for a minute, please listen to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we cut into DuCats office and DuCats and DAX are recovering DAX's eating a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: you were eating.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looked like watermelon.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it watermelon?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember, but I would guess it'd be more like strawberries or, I mean, strawberries seems like it makes more sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the way it was, it was kind of square.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's square.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looked like watermelon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, maybe it's watermelon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we lived in LA.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we had that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fruit year round.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then when Dacott picks one up and eats it himself, then it looks
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought, oh, maybe it, hmm, but then I think it's maybe there were different things in my plate.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was different, yes, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't just the fruit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was watermelon, which would be a very smart choice.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't get that full on little bites of watermelon, mostly water.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, and it's easy to chew and swallow quickly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and Megan was watching saying that maybe there was a big spit bucket next to her because honestly Robby and I Unvoyager we all tried to eat nothing, but in this we were watching robbing or like what the she's she's just eating all this
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, maybe it's post-traumatic bombs syndrome where you have to... Well, also, at that time, I was working out like crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so the calories were fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: All the kickboxing and everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so, and then always trying to stay thin for the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes you just don't eat anything if you know you have an eating.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I tended to not eat anything at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: The day I had an eating scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that would be your food basically that's my goodness smart well because yeah, yeah, well my first job I had to eat pancakes and I was so excited because I was on a diet, but they had me eating pancakes but they wanted me to lose weight
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, they were like, Terry Becareful, did I listen?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I was just, you know, 19 years old.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, my first acting job.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, oh, I was so excited to the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody should know that when you see the scene cut together, it looks like she just had that much food.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there were probably 10, 12 shots with multiple takes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so she ate 10 times the amount they amounted to you see.
[SPEAKER_01]: or more 20 times, just a lot more food than because it's take after take after take after take.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you didn't need to spit bucket if you didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it looks better too when you're doing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there might have been, but I talk too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think I really have the chance to put it in my mouth and spit it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it depends.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, in that shot, though, Robbie, it kind of bummed me out that it was from that angle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because...
[SPEAKER_02]: all the makeup from her wounds from the bombing were on the left side of her face and the right side is the side that's showcased as she's eating it's like shows show some of the residual because you were injured during the bombing okay and that's one of the complaints I was reading some backstory about this episode that you had back then when you were interviewed about this episode you said they did all this amazing makeup work showing me damage because Dax has always
[SPEAKER_02]: So to show disheveledness and any funky cool, you know, something real is rare and that you complained about the fact that it was not showcased that well on camera, but just the way that we're blocked.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe you couldn't have moved where DuCott's did he was he sitting at a desk or something?
[SPEAKER_02]: He was in the background.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, was he sitting?
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember if he was being treated by a Cardassian woman, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they, and then they, and then she went.
[SPEAKER_00]: So why not put me on the other side of the room.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they would have gotten me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Could have seen all that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do Scott does share in the scene that this was the fourth assassination attempt and he kind of softens in the scene and shares his feelings and it seems like you too are really becoming friends like he wanted when suddenly DAX takes a swing at him knocks him out very nice move by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, double-handed, uh, Captain Kirk style from TLS is what he has.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very smooth combat fighting there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well directed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then she jumps over to, uh, well, you knock him out and then you say, he says, my heart is too big.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's when you hit him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you say, well, so is your ego.
[SPEAKER_01]: very funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I go right to the computer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right to the computer.
[SPEAKER_01]: And while she's working on the computer, we go back to the holding cell.
[SPEAKER_01]: Garrick is thinking of ways to save himself basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco wants to know about Thrax.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, you know, Odo should be the security chief right now in this timeline.
[SPEAKER_01]: He also mentions that Thrax seems different than the other Cardassians, like softer or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Odo doesn't know anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Says says he doesn't know anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't believe you, Otto, I don't know why they believe him either.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's so obviously got deep dark secrets here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is when Dax breaks through the wall, basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was some explosives.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was so great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I had a laser gun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a laser.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the wall looked like it was made out of paper mache.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's what it seemed like it was like what it seemed like.
[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't seem like it was even that well constructed.
[SPEAKER_02]: The way the whole was very strong paper.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was super strong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very strong paper.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jail wall paper is what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you got through it, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was odd though, as it looks metal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Does it look metal to you?
[SPEAKER_00]: I have the color in.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks substantial until.
[SPEAKER_02]: until they actually hold the camera machine.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looked like they were making it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't get that though.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just... Well, like how do you blow up in the hole, and then you stick your head into the hole and you go, miss me?
[UNKNOWN]: Hahaha.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was better written than some of the other episodes where my character out of character, out of character says something way too light-hearted and it's not funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that feel, you know, this, this felt more common, yes, this wrote this Michael Taylor Taylor, I think, if he could write those comments for my character all the time, he nails it, so he got you, he got Dax, he has to have a right Dax.
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut to a corridor.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're heading to DuCott's Shuttle when some soldiers surprised them.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a big fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's got a part of a piece of the fight going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco's fighting Thrax here when suddenly Thrax morphs into a changeling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was up through the sea.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: What, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it was thinking, oh, well, they meld, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that why Odo has kind of known what's going on the whole time it can wrap I think they're seeing Thrax as Odo like like oh They're seeing Odo I just get that because he was really this
[SPEAKER_00]: stations.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_02]: Supervisor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was Thrax at the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't Thrax.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did not.
[SPEAKER_00]: In real time, he was Thrax in their story.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Rax is the predecessor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a predecessor.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the way Cisco sees him turning into a changeling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, he's seeing through Odo's lie is what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that what you're seeing, Robbie?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm looking at.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did not get that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was an actual change link from the other you don't think I know Gosh, okay, because this is all this whole dimension is in their minds and it is in their minds Yeah, it's through the connection that that auto made Okay, even more importantly why they should have been more clear about it being just an auto's head
[SPEAKER_00]: because otherwise it gets convoluted.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you want me to see?
[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that part of the storytelling like in a video game?
[SPEAKER_00]: You learn how to.
[SPEAKER_00]: It teaches you how to play it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's how to see
[SPEAKER_01]: there have to be some rules to this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they kept are out changing the rules for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: The rules can change the rules.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I almost feel like the changing the rules constantly was to create that sort of like what's happening on purpose.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was sort of, yeah, but aired that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it feels like cheating.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you're playing a game in the rules, keep changing, you're like, wait, you don't like that game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so that's not playing fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: So here we should be playing fair too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Unless there's a deliberate red herring, which is not this kind of story.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not so mad.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: So after the whole changeling effect, the vis effect for that, the gang goes over to Dax and picks Dax up, okay, off the ground and they leave the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the next season with a phaser, yes, thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: They leave the scene and they come back to the exact same juncture, basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that to me was like, when it's going first it pulled me out, then I realized, oh no, actually, that is kind of brilliant, because it's sort of, it sort of gives me those shades of All-Amarane, one, two, three, where nothing is, is making sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: You see it, I'm saying this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really wanted to watch it again, because I thought,
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, why are they coming around?
[SPEAKER_00]: How did they happen?
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to circles right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just cleaned up the set a little bit where they came back around.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was right after them running out of that scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: Does that make sense, Robbie?
[SPEAKER_02]: So they ran out and they came around the same corner again at the next scene within a millisecond.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that made me like, what initially, verse first watched it bothered me?
[SPEAKER_02]: Second watch, I said, OK, this sort of contributes to the chaos of everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Being in his mind, I suppose.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was simply that they only had the one set built.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I'm trying to find more meeting to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not even out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's why it was a jump cut.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was no more thing or revealing.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was no other set to use.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be that that to me is the director and the DPs responsibility to make them.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you only have one set or you're trying to play it as two different places, you did a little differently, light it a little different way.
[SPEAKER_02]: So did you pull you out as well then?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's used what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so used to
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just it's a tell it's a tell it's a tell of the budget
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did the I directed this season finale season three finale of Resident Alien and they were supposed to be on this alien space station and we literally had three hallways for the whole episode that they're supposed to be running all over this giant and it was just one end of the hallway.
[SPEAKER_01]: It went either there was a wall and you could go right or left.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so other tend it was a T intersection at one end and at the other end it was it took a right turn down a short hallway another T. That was it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had one turn two T intersections.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I had to make it look like they're running all over.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you had to use the ground, sometimes you use the long lens, you've changed the lighting, you've had to work.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of work.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was trying to puzzle it together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we had so little much less than what you had to think ahead, like playing chess.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: okay back to the story so as they run around to this another the same part of the set but redress a little bit cleaned up a little bit dacks says here it is there they're at the airlock door as they step inside they're now back into the cell again and there you haven't gone to where they thought they were going so now we're all watching going what is happening
[SPEAKER_01]: This is another one of the rules that I wish they had explained earlier that we're going to be in a world where we're jumping around the bed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: If Sisko and everybody should have done something like that sooner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Earlier, if they'd done it a couple times in Sisko and Garrick had mentioned, what's happening?
[SPEAKER_01]: How is this happening?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then later we learn, oh, it's because of Otto's memories.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is all in his head, sort of.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that would have made it better in my book, but I hear you as they're in the cell a cadassian guard soldier comes up and tells them we have the word your execution has been scheduled for 1900 to hours from now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Boom, boom, boom.
[SPEAKER_01]: Two hours they're going to be executed.
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah and he was just like a little too happy about that he enjoyed that comment we come back from commercial break auto is panicking now Cisco finally is like auto tell us the truth i wish he had said that in the teaser scene but auto finally spills the beans he knows the names and the history of all of this
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when Thrax arrives and says, Odo wants to want to talk to me, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo's trying to convince Thrax in the security office that they're innocent.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he says the facts show that we're innocent.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you just look at the facts, really look at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's very like very personally invested.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly at this point, I kind of pieced it all together.
[SPEAKER_01]: and he's telling himself like I should have looked at the facts, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's trying to convince thorax of this and thorax says I'm just doing my job.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Odo says your job is to find the truth, not to get a conviction.
[SPEAKER_01]: which I thought was an important distinction.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Otto spills the true story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he says, we are from the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't let this happen again, basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Thrax says, well, there's nothing for me to do about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you going to do about it?
[SPEAKER_01]: And we make another jump.
[SPEAKER_01]: We flash to the execution.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now we're up in the promenade.
[SPEAKER_02]: But before you go on, I do like when Odo says, then what are you going to do about it?
[SPEAKER_02]: And Threx says, what am I supposed to do?
[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing more, nothing less.
[SPEAKER_02]: The question is, what are you going to do, Odo?
[SPEAKER_02]: So he says his name at that point and it's, it's kind of true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that was freaky.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's very freaky.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when he flashes up to the prominent, the executions about to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo protests here and do caught in threcks, you know, he goes over tries to stop it, do caught in and threcks say that this is already happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're in this sort of weird dream world.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, they're aware that this is kind of a dream and it's already happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: and they are preparing to shoot the three Bajorans when Odo hits one of the soldiers and we flash to a new POV where our gang sees Odo is the constable now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: And is this also what our gang goes back to Starfleet uniforms?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: They go back.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now we're kind of snapping back to our reality watching historical event and we see that Odo was the constable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not the racks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now Odo's right there by the execution.
[SPEAKER_01]: It happens and then they've sort of fade away in this timeline.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Odo admits the truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says he was the constable when when this execution happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: He ordered it.
[SPEAKER_01]: and he says, I was wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was another bombing shortly after the execution, but he says I was so consumed with law and order that I didn't see the truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see what was really right in front of me, and that's when they fade out as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we disappear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought this was a great performance by Renee, honestly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: As many criticisms as I have of the script and the structure and the rules in this world,
[SPEAKER_01]: And they did such a beautiful job, especially in this big model.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Renee was an 11 for the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Heartbreaking.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, heartbreaking.
[SPEAKER_01]: They fade away in this timeline, and we cut to the surgery room, and everyone's waking up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They all wake up, and Bashir says, well, whatever you all have been through, it has taken its toll.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're back to reality, and we cut to the security office, and Bashir is explaining that he's now understands what happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: Finally, he didn't understand the whole episode, he kept saying, I don't know, I don't know what's happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: But now he's figured it out that it was basically a version of the Great Link, that even though Odo is a solid now, he's not 100% solid, he still has some of his changeling
[SPEAKER_01]: enzymes and so on and yeah and the plasma storm forced him to reach out.
[SPEAKER_01]: He tried to reach out to the great link when this was happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was so worried and upset by it all and and feeling guilty about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He reached out to the great link but when the plasma storm hit, he reached out to the only ones that were there and that was Cisco in the gang.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he basically had a great link with them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kira comes in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kira does come in.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know what did you read on her face when she came in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't, I wasn't sure what I was reading because she's not, she doesn't say anything for a second, and then, you know, well, it's great because she's not sure what she's thinking.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's still trying to put it together in her brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she even says it's been two days and I still don't know what to think.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's wonder, I think she did a wonderful
[SPEAKER_00]: of standing in that truth of the not knowing how to feel about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, she read the whole report.
[SPEAKER_02]: She knows she's stunned.
[SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't know what to say.
[SPEAKER_02]: And really, this is kind of a book end episode to the second season episode, necessary evil when they were on turn or for the first time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because in that episode, it is Kira who is hiding what she did.
[SPEAKER_02]: during your vacation.
[SPEAKER_02]: As she has a secret that she's hiding from Odo and the very last scene of that episode, it's just the two of them and the same confrontation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now it's flipped.
[SPEAKER_02]: Same thing here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Same thing here, but it's actually, it's Odo that's hidden something from Kira.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's a perfect book end episode to that episode from season two, which is very impressive to me that they can call back.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she also reveals in this, you know, I made mistakes too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right before she says, but you have to tell me was that the only time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I love that he's still honest and says, I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I hope so.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he says, I hope so, which is the better, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope not sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, he said, both.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he said, we just missed the hope so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great last sentence.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great button to the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well, let's talk about the theme, lesson, the moral of this episode, Robbie, what is yours?
[SPEAKER_01]: I wrote down being too focused on being right may prevent you from seeing the truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good, kind of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Otos, lesson of...
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So focused on law and order that he didn't really see the justice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and Terry, what is yours?
[SPEAKER_00]: look at your part in your regrets.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let go of your ego for real growth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sort of what you're saying, but not as eloquent.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have kind of robbies as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I part of me is one of, I have multiple lessons.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the first lesson is
[SPEAKER_02]: moderation is key because of his excessive obsession with with the rules and justice.
[SPEAKER_02]: He saw he missed something, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So a moderation that don't become too overly obsessed with anything really is one lesson.
[SPEAKER_02]: The truth always comes out in the end and honesty is the best policy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our Patreon poll winner for the theme moral of this episode is submitted by Marty D. I believed justice was more important than compassion, but it was justice without compassion, and that's no justice at all, a quote from Odo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great quote.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've come to the end of our recap and discussion of the episode things past.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you everyone for tuning in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Join us next time when we will be recapping and discussing the episode the Ascent with Armon and we want to thank Terry for joining us on this one for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Terry Fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my goodness.
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