[SPEAKER_00]: And now, it's the better with bourbon podcast, with Brad Martno, and Deacon Palmer, fast-thinking, and smooth-drinking.
[SPEAKER_01]: The views in opinion shared on the better with bourbon podcast are our own and those of our guests.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing we discussed should be taken as financial, legal, business, or gambling advice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't make investment, business, or betting decisions based on our conversations as you should always talk to a qualified professional.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's up, Mitchell's welcome to the Better With Broken Podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm your host, Deacon Palmer, and with me is Bradley J.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mark now.
[SPEAKER_03]: The founder and creative mastermind behind this endeavor.
[SPEAKER_03]: Bradley, this is our first episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have some stuff we're going to do tonight.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to run through a couple of stories.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to talk a little bit of sports.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to talk some public policy.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to do some business and finance a little bit of technology.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have a first guest of our first friend of the pod.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we're going to open a bottle, do a little bit of drinking, do a little drinking.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but since this is our first run, why don't you give a comment or to what led us to be here tonight, what led to the better with Bourbon podcast, what do we try to accomplish with this thing?
[SPEAKER_04]: The same thing we've been accomplishing, I don't know the last year or so when we meet every Wednesday, and we talk sports ball takes in tech, especially, you know, a major, major force that's going on right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: And somebody very wise that maybe you two should get in front of a camera and do this.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we said, why not?
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll just take our bourbons and move to the front of a camera.
[SPEAKER_04]: So here we are, and we're going to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, who would suggest such a thing?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, we need to do more talking, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So, but yeah, we're going to introduce friends of ours.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to talk about our lives, but we're doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to talk a little bit about business, but big business around here.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're coming to you a lot from Indiana, Pennsylvania.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's no bigger news right now here in our little town than,
[SPEAKER_03]: What coach'signatee and the IU Indiana University from Bloomington, Indiana, what they did the other day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, Chrisignatee, Chrisignatee is one of the Indiana's finest and favorite songs, Brad knows and what, what, what, what did you watch the game?
[SPEAKER_03]: What did you think?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we started the pre-games at our Martini Monday familiar spot, of course, Martini Monday.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, but then I ended up just watching the game right here by myself, I wanted to take it in every moment of it, all your best friends.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I had to watch with the lady of my life.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a little bit, I fell asleep there toward the kind of the first part of that second half, but she woke me up because she is a rabbit football fan.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of yelling and jumping around and she got me back involved.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right in time to see when those would do that fourth down, I play where I hold myself over there, you know, play.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, we were clearly jokes like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to be start doing some tracking.
[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I mean, we need to get to the urban center in the later, but let's start a little tech too.
[SPEAKER_04]: What's going on?
[SPEAKER_04]: And obviously, Davos and Switzerland right now is where everybody's meeting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Davos.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Necanonic Forum happens over a year for those of you who may be a new idea, the Davos is basically a gigantic meeting full of global leaders, politicians, policy makers, CEOs from all over the Fortune 100, global think tanks, lots of large nonprofits they get together to talk about.
[SPEAKER_03]: How they are going to save us across the next year, what we need to be thinking about, what scares them.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's a couple of big obvious headlines coming out of Davos this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: It would be impossible to talk about this without talking about what's going on with Greenland and kind of the political ramifications, obviously the European leaders are at the norm, so I think some solidarity against
[SPEAKER_03]: against the president's ideas about what we would do with Greenland if we got a hold of a Bradley jump in here and give me some ideas.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think?
[SPEAKER_04]: Before we get there, did I miss the memo that we're not doing right here for the podcast?
[SPEAKER_04]: I just want to make sure because my right now I feel like between the fire and the and the frogone we got the heatmiser walking on to stage and just taking over.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's my homage to the Atlantic people, show us all that I already.
[SPEAKER_04]: So let's get back to Greenland.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, I think it's mineral rich, the tech, the big tech companies are investing heavily into it right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think there's more play than what meets the eye and it's not as altruistic as it looks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think in this thing, I think, big picture, we're going to take a step back from the obvious objection that we can make to everything the boss is doing these days.
[SPEAKER_03]: And remember, we got Alaska in a particular way to call that sewers folly because it was so stupid when he did it on the whole spread of the acquisition of land or country in remade.
[SPEAKER_03]: We acquired Texas, Tayhouse from Mexico years ago, both of these released strategic efforts.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right now, it's necessarily the time for us to be making big plays, but it's certainly not unprecedented.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of economic justification for why something like that would make sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we're tracking it, we're following it, Jerry's still out on this one now.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's it going to cost?
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, just put it on our tab.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's actually a good question.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you were a resident of Greenland, there are 50,000 of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: What would the number, what would the number be for you?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, let's assume that let's assume that you would have
[SPEAKER_03]: in Greenland, which I have here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, which.
[SPEAKER_03]: England would probably be acres large.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I have a castle built out of ice cubes and I would think and it's middle rich and another would not be no it's middle rich.
[SPEAKER_04]: So being over the number before I think the number in my background coming from the oil and gas you know attorney and me I'm saying it's not a one time number it's not for number and I want to roll you on everything that's taken out of the ground.
[SPEAKER_03]: See now you're talking right yeah now you're talking I mean that's that makes a lot of sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what this actually makes
[SPEAKER_03]: Take a quick time out, but then bring in our first ever guest with Dear friend to show dear friend also.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's brought a bottle bourbon.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to talk about that too Yeah, right, so you mentioned oil and gas maybe you can chip in a little bit of this okay, but quick time out.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll come back soon
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[SPEAKER_03]: folks were back, but it was burdened.
[SPEAKER_03]: We did a little bit of kabootsing covered a couple topics that we definitely needed to drink at this challenge.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we got a bottle out, but before we get into the bottle, I want to introduce the gentleman that brought it our first ever guest on better with burden day of brosious day of joiners.
[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for having me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks so much for bringing the drinks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we got you one here.
[SPEAKER_03]: We just do it quick.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: We just do this for five months.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're making strats on your podcast.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thanks, buddy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's good to be here with you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Appreciate your reach and out too.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's, you know, you've not been friends for quite some time now and, you know, we met back in the day when the kids are going ball and haven't looked back since then.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're on a normal text chain every day.
[SPEAKER_04]: If we don't see each other.
[SPEAKER_04]: You got big things going on, you know, let's get ready to it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, with Skypoint and Crane and everything else going on, you're in the right spot at the right time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Amazing, good moves.
[SPEAKER_04]: Tell us a little bit about it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, just from an entrepreneurial standpoint, is this one of those things where you try to position yourself at the right time and fade.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sometimes you make a decision and you're not sure that you're going down the right path.
[SPEAKER_06]: And one of them was, you know,
[SPEAKER_06]: 17 coming out of, you know, working in the Marcelo show industry and different clients and stuff that I met with, my partners, you know, that we were talking with one of my best friends Brett, we sat down and different folks, you should start a crane company, you know, like, you're out of your mind.
[SPEAKER_06]: Why would we do that?
[SPEAKER_06]: And Marcelo's industry was down, gas prices were down,
[SPEAKER_04]: and then right now you were quarterback and high school, you want to receive re-druptures.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: How did you get into the crane business?
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you have a starter crane before you got into the crane business?
[SPEAKER_03]: So if somebody's like, yeah, you should just go buy it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, how does that, you mentioned, how's that conversation play?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, it was wild.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was at a luncheon with one of our clients in a Marcellus industry.
[SPEAKER_06]: I worked for the regional trade association.
[SPEAKER_06]: He was a CFO at a major crank company at one point.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now he was a service provider in the oil and gas in the Marcellus.
[SPEAKER_06]: And we're just having lunch just talking just like we are here.
[SPEAKER_06]: And he goes, you should start a crank company on like you're out of your mind, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Didn't like anything of it two or three weeks later.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, my friend Brett for lunch.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's a gentleman.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we're, um, and just learn a bit of what you're doing before that.
[SPEAKER_04]: You were taking pictures.
[SPEAKER_04]: Take photographs, I mean, I would.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and I was working at a regional trade association Second told branch.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: So as a Marcelo Shell coalition, they were one of the founding trade associations when the unconventional oil and gas hit bread.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're ultimately familiar with that with the law firm that you came on of one of the early pioneers in oil and gas and you know, the association back in the infantry in the days.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So anyways, work there, you know,
[SPEAKER_06]: So I didn't, you know, really registered, you know, the guy that told me there at launch.
[SPEAKER_06]: So with Matt with Brett had a launch and he was just talking about his challenges, general contractor, small business, you know, he was girl and he's saying, hey, I'm having problems.
[SPEAKER_06]: The
[SPEAKER_06]: on a map, or a little map, and hey, these are some niches that I think are going to develop even more from a construction standpoint.
[SPEAKER_06]: We shouldn't look at starting companies and these various niches around the construction side.
[SPEAKER_06]: We should start a crane company, and I'm like, once for you, I just started that two weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then it just kind of like your podcast, like why not, you know, we don't live once
[SPEAKER_06]: And I've been here in that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Go for a little bit of risk.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then when you're here and I think you know there's something to it right, and especially when you're here and it from you know people in the industry, people in the industry that are familiar with it, long-term contracts and has a nice thing to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's no heavy industry, you know, I'll touch and you've done some really fun stuff too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Tell us about some of the fun stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: yourself.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so some different events that we've been involved in as well as customers.
[SPEAKER_06]: Probably one of the most memorable was back in 2020.
[SPEAKER_06]: We got exposed to some of the folks in the political world with the trade association we were.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we had had Donald Trump of one of our, you know, shells.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was a learning experience for me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Tell us when you had coffee with Nancy Pelosi?
[SPEAKER_06]: No, that was never.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, that must be.
[SPEAKER_06]: Not being for a while, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: She's not a little bit of a boy.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we, so anyways, 2020 election comes around.
[SPEAKER_06]: And somebody that I had met through a while in gas days had my friend.
[SPEAKER_06]: it was shot at, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: So this was at the Butler Airport and he said, hey, we need cranes to fly the flags behind the stage at the presidential rally.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was to bring his ego in.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you got to bring it.
[SPEAKER_04]: You got to bring it.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you were just the flag up behind.
[SPEAKER_04]: So your cranes company was the one's oyster in those legs that is so memorable.
[SPEAKER_04]: In fact, I think it's still on some of these social media sites.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, if you go to,
[SPEAKER_06]: pro fall.
[SPEAKER_06]: The background of his ex pro fall.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is just something I feel honored by and tell my kids about like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_06]: This is something that you can never have taken away from me.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I feel proud of what we've done in employees and the folks in our company.
[SPEAKER_06]: But his background on his ex pro fall is of that bubbler.
[SPEAKER_06]: Saturday, beautiful night, they were bringing in helicopters,
[SPEAKER_06]: in my show, it was unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_04]: This isn't the first time you've been on or something like that, you know, your picture was my back and screen saber on my computer for about two years.
[SPEAKER_04]: For about two years.
[SPEAKER_04]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's making all the memes that you have.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is going to be recurring.
[SPEAKER_03]: The famous, makes you want to say thank you, Puzzle, Benny, for taking such nice care of us.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I may have picked a Puzzle.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, you're just a Puzzle.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a Puzzle.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we will be talking about a lot of the cool things that come from Pennsylvania, including Mr. Paul Mayer.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not originally from Pennsylvania.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think you are out of the way that you grew up right in the ceremony in a county.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, right up in the, you graduated with how many?
[SPEAKER_06]: 120 in our class.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's funny from upper and let's throw over, you know, closer to the big city where I'm from used to make fun of you guys with like a small school.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some day when we talk about the glory days, we can talk about when we came over and used to play in Indiana, and you can talk about the basketball.
[SPEAKER_03]: What was your sport on high school?
[SPEAKER_06]: You're full by that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we didn't have a lot of options at the school.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uncle Riko, if you have any of this.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's great, but so you did a little bit of work with the U.S. Open this past chair and you're going to be involved with some of the setup and the heavy stuff associated with the draft coming up in Pittsburgh and the spring.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, who'd never be in the crane business for so sexy?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I mean, Terry's sexy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Next thing you're going to be so good, Brad's going to be right in the book about how to make U.S.A.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd make crane with this option.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would love to be out next week.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the U.S. Open.
[SPEAKER_06]: I actually have to thank Brad and my other buddies, Tucker.
[SPEAKER_06]: It really kind of got me exposed to that.
[SPEAKER_06]: My son Drew is an avid golfer.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was not.
[SPEAKER_06]: We didn't have golf from my high school.
[SPEAKER_06]: So he's, you know, golfer here to club that you guys are all sort of members of and Brad and Tucker, like, hey, you need to get him involved in.
[SPEAKER_06]: totally unaware of all of that.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, hey, you guys say, hey, sign them up for it.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, I sign them up for it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I start getting the emails.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, try state
[SPEAKER_06]: So we go down, you know, buddy his dad, we go down, have a fantastic night at Oakmont.
[SPEAKER_06]: How can you not, the kids never been there before to walk through the halls of Oakmont.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a museum, right, and just, those kids are just in awe.
[SPEAKER_06]: So while we're there, you started, this was in 2004, you started to see, there was per finale around the club, merchandise shop was populated with, you know, US Open 2025 and O1.
[SPEAKER_06]: I didn't think anything other than telling it was always how you need sign up as a volunteer and be a great experience.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're both on the high school golf team.
[SPEAKER_06]: This would be awesome.
[SPEAKER_06]: Go home.
[SPEAKER_06]: Take in the night thinking, hey, this is awesome.
[SPEAKER_06]: Next morning, wake up.
[SPEAKER_06]: I go into work mode.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm sitting down and cup coffee and I'm like, my head, they're going to need cranes.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's literally, because I've been to the open for four when it is out on.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're going to build a city around the school doors.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I start thinking like, gosh, they're going to need cranes.
[SPEAKER_06]: tends to everything, generators, HVAC units, so I'm thinking, all right, a lot of it is.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I literally went the card that I took head, info at USopen2025.org, a generic email box that I just sat down, wrote a code email, it's 5 in the morning.
[SPEAKER_06]: That was too good.
[SPEAKER_05]: That didn't send.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's amazing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, local companies, was it just a benefit of one last night with my kid, saw your coming and we'd like to offer our services, you know, please give us a call where fans are golf, just made it like family friendly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: Nine o'clock that morning.
[SPEAKER_04]: Next morning.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, that's the same morning.
[SPEAKER_06]: I sent it at five in the morning.
[SPEAKER_06]: I get a call for you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Do it up at five.
[SPEAKER_06]: I need to go back.
[SPEAKER_06]: Coffee.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: You get older.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: about literally about thought on my chair.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, that is so awesome.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then it just snowballed from there.
[SPEAKER_06]: And we got in from here.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's a great story.
[SPEAKER_04]: Great takeaway.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it goes to the USGA every time.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you were a big help.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know you sent me pictures as you're working on the biggest of the
[SPEAKER_04]: of the grandstands and that was on number 13 and that was quite the defeat because of the elevation changes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah it was called the sweets on 13 so it was a par three and the hospitality building basically that they built started at the front edge of that tea box at the par three went clear up to the right edge side of the grade so it spanned the entire line for the fairway and it was a double decker sweet so he said we've built a double decker sweet our
[SPEAKER_06]: and under 15, the USJ just keeps getting better.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, can you build it better?
[SPEAKER_06]: Because they kept selling sweets out.
[SPEAKER_06]: So they had 42 sweets, two levels.
[SPEAKER_06]: So that was the only two levels, double-decker sweet on all of the vote on 42 sweets.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then, you know, he showed me what the price was saying.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, the entry price.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, whatever.
[SPEAKER_06]: 30, some tickets a day.
[SPEAKER_06]: Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_06]: Parking, whatever.
[SPEAKER_06]: and people were just so excited because golf was just such a great sport.
[SPEAKER_03]: We were there someday and made great use of the structure that you built.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, just being out and watching when you could be home watching, it's just there was a the calculus didn't make sense unless you had a building like that to go into.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we were there and we could just see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: We actually finished it in Permanice down the bottom of the hill.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you should have seen the crowd in Permanice, I mean, it was crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably more fun watching the Permanice, it would be actually green side because of people that were there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who were there that day?
[SPEAKER_04]: What we were one of the folks that went and went.
[SPEAKER_04]: another shirt out of the version that I said that went to and like I don't know how family is like are we're in a vicious thank you for somebody yeah so I re-directed on home because I think that was 100 if that isn't one of the top put major finishes and I was on the final but without going into
[SPEAKER_04]: And he kind of, you know, said to him, yeah, play, wow.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and who thought they would ever get the course, you're like, we were there.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was there with my son and his buddy.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we got tickets of being a vendor there.
[SPEAKER_06]: And when you see crews with son,
[SPEAKER_06]: your face in the dark, I'm like, there's no way they're going to get this course ready to finish it.
[SPEAKER_04]: They did it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Which is amazing.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it was beautiful.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was competitive.
[SPEAKER_04]: I made some incredible changes to open on over the last few years and just make that course so great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Guys, we're going to take a break, we'll come back out and finish it up with a little bit more business.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll talk a couple of current events, maybe David and Chip, they knew most of your thought a couple of things.
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're doing a little bit of drink and so we're going to talk a little bit through a couple of topics, let's we're going to, you know, we have some local expertise here on this show when it comes to all things AI.
[SPEAKER_03]: So let's touch on AI, Bradley was going on the AI world, what are you seeing?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, one of the major headlines this week is open AI, Sam Alton, the concerns
[SPEAKER_04]: They're going to run out of money again and I'm going to have to go back to their investors for more money.
[SPEAKER_03]: So let's let's let's let's just when we say they're going to run out of money.
[SPEAKER_03]: What are they doing with the money and what do they need more money for?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they're investing heavily in everything.
[SPEAKER_04]: Infrastructure especially.
[SPEAKER_04]: So building it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Building it out, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: So I don't see that being a problem personally.
[SPEAKER_04]: Microsoft's a 28% owner in the company.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're not going to let it fail.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then you got soft bank, being the ex-biggest, and then you get down the line of what are a few others that are very notable.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're all in.
[SPEAKER_04]: And chat, GPT is the standard in generative AI right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so this is like a two-big-to-fail.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is, I do think so.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because it's getting better.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they made some great improvements.
[SPEAKER_04]: One of the things they're just announced the other day that I thought was really cool is that there's a wearable device.
[SPEAKER_04]: that allows you to basically have AI interacting with you, not on a screen, not through voice, just in presence, and being with you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm, I could think of some things that I would like to, hey, I present to help me with throughout the day.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a, more interesting thing is that, okay, yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what you're saying is, what you're saying is, support these sorts of futuristic applications.
[SPEAKER_03]: We need a ton of compute, which means we need a lot of data centers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which means we've got to move a lot of shit around any input, any insight on this process.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I've hard to say, you know, when you look at what they're trying to do is,
[SPEAKER_06]: It's going from just having an AI tool to getting into devices similar to Apple, having that strategy of having AI enabled hardware.
[SPEAKER_06]: My wife's a nurse, she told me they're looking at like a chat GPT that's geared towards the medical side of things.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then I've even heard the enterprise stuff where they're trying to take chat GPT and take it to countries.
[SPEAKER_06]: taking their model and saying, hey, we want to take it into a corporation.
[SPEAKER_06]: We want you to take this as part of your national strategy, which is interesting.
[SPEAKER_06]: What do you think about, what do you think about that?
[SPEAKER_06]: Just big picture, good bad and different, what do you think?
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I think every country is trying to figure that out.
[SPEAKER_04]: When you look at the military side of things, the economic, strategic play, you know, it's, it's, when you speak about that, our country just adopted rock, with the, you want, in the military,
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it's for free, but it's a pretty good enterprise price and it was very recent in the last few weeks.
[SPEAKER_04]: So AI is definitely getting embedded into all the geopolitical atmosphere, it's moving on so fast, it's a really cool meeting this morning about what's happening in the AI agent world and the mesh world, there's great things to come.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, so there's two things.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you talk about OpenAI offering chatGPT as a tool to a country, there's two things that immediately come to my mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's what are they giving, what are they getting, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So they're getting the ability to train, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: There's two things that will allow a large language model to dodge, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the training, it's figuring out how to interpret what humans want from it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then there's the inference, which is telling humans what to do, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: So, and why is the inference important?
[SPEAKER_04]: Because that is all the knowledge they've gained.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they're now using that knowledge to give them the next answer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so why would they give it away to a country?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well,
[SPEAKER_03]: robust training data.
[SPEAKER_03]: Every time that model interacts with a kid in school, somebody at work, somebody at home trying to cook a recipe that they don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's more training data.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not just the one-way relationship.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a mystery question about like, when we're talking about age data like that, data that's coming off of our phones and our appliances and our cars and stuff that we interact with every day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like right now, the assumption is that the technology provider, the vendor, the LLM owner owns that data.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, I'm a big believer that someday we as individuals have to own that like we own our own health care data in the HEPA sphere.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, there's all that right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's optimistic.
[SPEAKER_04]: But my latest book that I get into, I forecast a whole different future in 10 to 15 years.
[SPEAKER_04]: Data becomes a new currency.
[SPEAKER_04]: And data is it.
[SPEAKER_04]: So by doing that in embedding big tech, and I call it big tech.
[SPEAKER_04]: five to ten technology companies that are embedding their data sources.
[SPEAKER_04]: And everything we do, whether it's this podcast, whether it's perhaps local.
[SPEAKER_04]: Your crime company, whether it's any company.
[SPEAKER_04]: Any company, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Schools, government, it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_04]: Every little bit of data registers and becomes so important in the algorithmic state that.
[SPEAKER_06]: the GPTs, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: So you have chat GPTs that you use by the everyday user, you know, the common, you know, everyday individual user.
[SPEAKER_06]: But you can get the enterprise version, the chat GPT for, let's say, better with bourbon becomes its own corporation or skypoint crane.
[SPEAKER_06]: From what they're saying, if you sign up for those enterprise models is that you own that data, and it says explicitly on the screen, because I've signed up for some of them.
[SPEAKER_06]: We are not going to use your data.
[SPEAKER_06]: They connect to your Google Drive and they want to look at your internal components.
[SPEAKER_06]: And David, that's what they say.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, this is a trust part.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, but this is, you don't look what they say.
[SPEAKER_04]: You look what they're given in your vendor agreement.
[SPEAKER_04]: Your third-party agreement as a lawyer, I'm saying, that's where you have to look at is where is your data going?
[SPEAKER_04]: So if you're on the enterprise level, where you're going not just for the free mode, which most people are.
[SPEAKER_04]: But if you're going to the enterprise mode, usually it is a closed system and it's going to be.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're not normally going to be.
[SPEAKER_03]: My understanding is that it's anonymous.
[SPEAKER_03]: That data is used for training, but it's anonymous.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's never attached back to the individual with which- But if they write a sacred file, they're done.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're brain- And one of the things that Sam Alpen has asked for at OpenAI, and I actually wrote an article about six or eight months ago, six months ago, is that,
[SPEAKER_04]: There needs to be a uniform privacy law applicable to AI so that the user that is inputting and thinking that they're just talking one-on-one with the chat GPTs or the co-pilots or the Gemini.
[SPEAKER_04]: That their information is going to show up on Google.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not going to be used in a civil or criminal case.
[SPEAKER_04]: God forbid they're doing something wrong.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a confidential information going back and forth.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like that, turning kind, correctly.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if Apple can be compelled to unlock a phone, what would stop Google and Gemini or OpenAI GPT from reverse engineering, somebody's comments before they...
[SPEAKER_03]: went on a murder sprit and you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's going to be tested by time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah of course of course of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah this raises some really interesting questions about what I think really drives this is no longer a technology question.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a question of the delicate interplay between individuals rights to their own data, then national rights when you talk about what AI and we talk about how AI and age data could create mobility and bring cost down for freight and some of the economic boom associated
[SPEAKER_03]: how that conflicts with states rights and when we have a situation right now where we have one party in charge of all this stuff there are some inherent conflicts that's keeping progress from happening on the AI particularly when it comes to AI across state lines and the right to regulate AI is that a states rights issue should be a national strategy should it be like banking where we have kind of a half sea half sea approach I don't know I think the answer but somebody something has to happen because it's happening
[SPEAKER_04]: Just a few weeks ago with their executive order that they're going to take control of this and it is a national security issue in the AI race it is
[SPEAKER_03]: not a state issue and they're going to they're going to ligate it so we'll see what comes yeah this is definitely something we're going to come back to a big time because this is a topic that we have a lot of our own personal irons we do I run I got some work Brad's right in a book a day on the topic so let's take a quick time out we'll come back and we'll we'll sew this up with one more topic and some send-offs here and our inaugural better
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're going to get very infused, speaking of infused, didn't you guys see the conversation here and coming weeks, we haven't given opinions, hot takes, you know, reactions, what's going on in the world?
[SPEAKER_03]: So, okay, so now we got, let's, let's finish with a little bit of, a little bit of happiness.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're happy, we're drinking, we're talking about fun stuff, we're going to do start fun team, we're going to fun buddy here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Start going to the market, the market's fun, we're going to market, the market's been incredible, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Just every time you think it's going to be a bubble,
[SPEAKER_04]: And one of the areas that have gone up and up and you called it a year and a half ago and I got to get a credit where credit is due, come on, it's especially silver.
[SPEAKER_04]: Come on, you were spot on with silver and clearly silver has a very special need.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now more so than ever with the AI world.
[SPEAKER_03]: You get into all the the different commodity slot and palladium they're all they're all taken Yeah, so it's really interesting because it's the most conductive of all the metals It's the one that carries electricity the fastest and It's obviously a sponsored brush silver with that
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm conducted, but yeah, but yeah, it carries a dual role, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a monetary model.
[SPEAKER_03]: We used to use it in times and quarters.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we don't do that so much anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think they're worth more than they used to be.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you melt them down and you know, right, but see that's the problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was the first time we started printing money so to speak when we
[SPEAKER_03]: sense of silver that we allowed to represent 10 cents and now there's no silver and are silver anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they call it a monetary model along with gold but at the same time it's very conductive, it's used in solar panels and everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, if only somebody had told our friend group here and they had to buy silver.
[SPEAKER_03]: back when it was, you know, trading at 13, 15, 25 bucks, it's, we, we might, we might hit a hundred bucks an ounce here coming up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, here's something, we're going to do some predictions here because we're going to come back next next week, we might talk a little bit more about what we think's going to happen over the next year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right now, the silver-to-gold ratio is stretching down toward historic lows.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was at historic highs about two or three years ago, and it had to revert.
[SPEAKER_03]: So goals stretching out too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, goal for obvious reasons.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, everybody's afraid if we're going to take Greenland, if we're going to take Venezuela, if we're going to take all the chips out of China, which I think will be next.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, there's, you know, who knows, that could be a hedgehog to take.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to talk a little bit about what we think might happen for the year next week and maybe we could tease a couple of other future kind of topics.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to talk about an IL and we do have an IL coming up.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you and I have some hot takes on that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we got a good body.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to bring on.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to enlighten all of us.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can you just far more about it than any of us?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: more on behalf of the NIO collectives in any way in the nation.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we're going to definitely have one.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that'll be done.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll be fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: So with all that's here's to bear with bourbon because everything that we're talking about is always cheered.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're with bourbon.
[SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_04]: And better with friends.
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