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[SPEAKER_00]: This is Troy Angel and you were listening to Revived Thoughts.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's another revived conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right, a revive conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the type of show where Troy and I just talked about stuff stuff It's stuff related to church history and how it could apply to today and we got a fun one today talking about some some of DL moody's old writings isn't that right
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I just laughed at it because you were like, we just talk about stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, there's, you know, there's a topic.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a theme.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we found this like booklet called Golden Councils by DL Moody.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it just had a couple of subjects.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: To me, they were really interesting like odd subjects.
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of wanted to hear his opinion on read through them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we thought we'd share kind of our thoughts with you on what what was he talking about?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll just kind of give you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the first one is there.
[SPEAKER_00]: their Christian topics are kinds of things that I think are important that we should ask but they're not the normal ones that we talk about.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the normal conversations are Jesus on the cross or you know, there's so many big topics to talk about but there was just this like this booklet of, you know, he's kind of random advice.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was one of the last things he published.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was published in 1989.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the topics are things like, how should you spend a Sabbath?
[SPEAKER_00]: should you how what do you do about marking up your Bible what what makes a good prayer meeting and another one I liked the Sunday paper and if those sound boring to you I don't think you'll actually find them boring I think you'll actually find them pretty interesting his advice a hundred and almost thirty years later really rings true and I
[SPEAKER_00]: there is just again like i do i want to know i i i obviously i have a lot of my bible reading is on my phone but i do have an actual bible and i see some people take notes right into their bible other people will bring like a special notebook and other people would never dare write in their bible what about deal moody what did he think about that kind of thing and it's just funny to me that think of like you know these very serious guys have opinions on topics like that and then i kind of i look at that and i go well what what was this opinion on that
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we'll link this down in the show note.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as we're talking, if you look in the show notes of this episode, you can you can follow the link and pull up the collection of I don't know what they've been like pants.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not like pamphlet type of talking material.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how these would have originally been.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so I've had a few deal moody books on my bookshelf back in the day is they would publish smaller books and so you would have like these very much smaller style books They're not quite pamphlets, but they're yeah, they're booklets, so they actually this is Very, I'm not important to the episode, but the publishing industry is crying out in pain because this is actually the kind of book that is going away So when you hear them say
[SPEAKER_00]: books are going away.
[SPEAKER_00]: People aren't reading any more true in some ways, but really the book that's actually disappearing is this book.
[SPEAKER_00]: The small paperback book that's only like a hundred pages.
[SPEAKER_00]: People don't buy them anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: People don't read them anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: People want if they're buying a book they either buy it on their Kindle or they want a hardback, you know, really big, nice book that's going to look great on your, you know, on your coffee table or in a bookshelf, but they just don't want the little paperback books for reading.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I just want to read something
[SPEAKER_00]: If I want to have a nice sit down book, I want a good hardback book.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, this is the kind of book that would have been the small, quick paperbacks that just go out to the world real fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Golden Council's just his giving his advice on some, just, again, almost like a Q&A almost like, here's some random thoughts I have for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you guys saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's go ahead and start with the first one.
[SPEAKER_00]: How should you spend the Sabbath?
[SPEAKER_00]: Joel, what did you see, what were your thoughts on his ideas here?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then also, again, just to kind of further set the scene here.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like, uh, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Would you say like, like an eight minute read, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, these are relatively short little, and like, they're basically, like, a blog from, from DL moody.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you got, uh, and like,
[SPEAKER_01]: out rageously what I love so much about all these is that they are incredibly practical deal moody is like he's down to earth he's not he's not philosophying and and like trying to be all a fancy with his presentation in the word he's like okay here's what I do here's what I recommend doing like to down to the practical nitty gritty of all these things what I found interesting and I guess what kind of the main one when he's talking about the Sabbath he's trying to give
[SPEAKER_01]: People encourage meant to like get excited about the Sabbath like don't like you know when I was a kid I really dreaded just on death.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was that was the most boring day ever I don't like not now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like super excited about it here's how I think you're some practical takeaways that I think you could guys could do to get excited about the Sabbath
[SPEAKER_01]: and the section of it that I thought was interesting was his advice specifically towards children, like parents, parents, advice towards parents for how they should parent their children around the Sabbath, because his kind of one of his grievances is like, kids these days, they didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, he was looking back on his own childhood, seeing how he didn't like Sabbath.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so he's like he's like going through these steps like one but here's like some things you can do to maybe help your kids get excited about this app Like put together like some fun special activities they can only do on Sunday or like do a family walk on you know like after after the church service something like that like family activities that they can look forward to that makes on day a little bit special or you know like there's He talks about like like a coloring page or something like that that is related to
[SPEAKER_01]: The church service or towards the Bible in some way that the kids can get excited about.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's those like little practical takeaways that moody is really good at.
[SPEAKER_01]: So much so that I think that moody and I mean you'll probably hear me repeat this sentiment throughout it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can make it great YouTube or these days, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if it was alive,
[SPEAKER_00]: Today he would have his own YouTube channel and he would have audiences or people would tune in and see what he would be dominating like he's good at this like I mean again this is almost it really does read like it could be a blog today like and it's a good one you mentioned that section he said like there should be special games you play only on Sunday so the kids look forward to Sunday
[SPEAKER_00]: there should be special meals.
[SPEAKER_00]: That one was one I actually was like that's a great idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have a special meal on Sunday.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the kids are looking forward to Sunday.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't make Sunday the day of the week where you go to church and you're miserable all day in the mind of a child.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course we're loving the Lord.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, look.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to be realistic.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love spending time and worship with people, but sometimes people were like, well, the spending time singing songs and churches is enough for any child.
[SPEAKER_00]: Seven year olds and six year olds and five year olds are not as logical as you are.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do not always find that to be just a joyous occasion.
[SPEAKER_00]: make it special for them, make it the day of the week they most look forward to, special meals, special time, set aside their favorite books that they can only be allowed to read on Sunday.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, spend time with them, make it at time where they know on Sunday, mom and dad, I have their attention.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he also, he actually, if you go up another part of this, he mentioned like Sunday is definitely a day for spending time and worship with God.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then he was like, also,
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't over worship on Sunday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't make yourself so he said some people think, Oh, I have to rest in the Lord.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had to go to church and go to keep myself busy and do private devotion so busy all day with God that I I rest in the Lord and he said they get to the end of the day and they're exhausted because they didn't actually rest.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, you need to make sure that you spend time spiritually resting, but you also need to find times physically resting.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, you know, do something fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't you?
[SPEAKER_00]: You also said, don't just sit around and do nothing all day and think, I'm resting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm laying down.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's he said when you go on vacation, don't you go and do something fun yet you feel like you're resting and catching up.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, why wouldn't you do the same thing on Sabbath?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do something,
[SPEAKER_00]: That is enjoyable to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a form of rest that you don't normally get to do and mix that in with the spiritual resting you're doing by going to church and spending time with your family.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, honestly, I thought this was a really good, really good argument.
[SPEAKER_00]: A convicted me, he's like, don't you have all these other days that you spend working?
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, you know, if I gave you, if I gave you $7, you're supposed to reimburse me, and you took one for yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: And no, he said, if I gave you
[SPEAKER_00]: seven dollars and I asked you to give me one back, but you could keep the other six as a reimbursement and you took all seven and spent them all on yourself and wouldn't even give me my one back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wouldn't that be pretty wrong?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, well, God is giving you six days to work, but you're taking six plus one more.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not even giving him that one back.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, you know, that's a it's convicting for me as a guy who, you know, Sunday night, I'm doing a little prep stuff and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: I probably should make it a better habit to really cleanse that time of work, so it was an I enjoyed reading this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was a full of both very practical advice, but also convicting it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he makes his point very strongly from Scripture, and Endial Moody is the Anicked Oat King.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody...
[SPEAKER_00]: I've read sermons of his.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have brought many sermons.
[SPEAKER_00]: We mean Joel and I've stood in the spot where he preached his last sermon.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've done a lot of work with Dale Moody, and I can say, hands down the most, if not a spurgeon, maybe the only guy who is also in that league, where he, these guys can just anecdot anecdot, anecdot, and tell stories that get their points.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are stories that I use in my classrooms, because I read them in one of his sermons once, and they have stuck with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: forever after.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is just amazing at that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about, um, let's do the, the worries talking about marking up the Bible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that one a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Joel, let me ask you, and I think you and I are going to be very different on this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you a Bible marker?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you one who is leaving notes and stuff in the margins?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, believe it or not, I am a huge Bible marker digitally on my iPad, like I annotate, but it's not so much marking like notes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's more so just for, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you call like in the cognition for for I will go through and in underlying high-light stuff as a way to help me understand and process the material better?
[SPEAKER_01]: I usually almost never go back and re-reference the markings and in fact because it's digital every year or so sometimes I'll even go through and just clear it so I can go back through again.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's a processing tool for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a it's not a I don't know a study reference for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: What about you, Troy?
[SPEAKER_00]: So no, I did not like writing in the Bible and I don't like having a Bible's like if I've had an old Bible It's someone else had to use and he gave it to me It didn't like very much because he had like underlined a bunch of random parts of it and I would always I find it It's starting when I read it weird if it's not your own writing
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't like it was my idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I read the scripture, I want it to be fresh.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to not be distracted by my like former thoughts or whatever was going through my head two years ago when I was looking at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want it to be like my thoughts right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I don't want to be like distracted by other old messages and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll have to have some beef.
[SPEAKER_01]: You would.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he is a huge advocate.
[SPEAKER_01]: He even has a line in there somewhere where he's like you shouldn't even buy a Bible unless you're like Ready and prepare to start marketing it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you might you might I'm curious.
[SPEAKER_00]: Listener.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you gonna be on my side or deal moody side on this one and you know Like do moody's probably right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna say here and say I've got one on moody just for me personally if it's I like my Bible is clean possible.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had a I put I
[SPEAKER_00]: put out on ex over the summer like hey I'm in the state so I'm getting a new Bible I'm in the state because my old Bible I'm actually looking at it right now because on a desk it is I mean he was falling apart piece for about a year I would walk around like doing stuff and my it just pages would fall out of my Bible and we did to put it back together and from the students to happen for a year because a listener sent me a very nice new Bible I could never have afforded it's like a hundred dollar Bible but they sent to me for free I love that Bible I could not imagine putting a pen on it
[SPEAKER_00]: With that said, I have been a note taker on the site.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I used to do is I would read my Bible, and then all my thoughts I would have, I would just write it in a notebook on the side.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd fill up notebooks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd never look back at any of these notes, but it was like the process of taking the notes helped me think about what I was doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a digital Bible now, as well, like he's, you know, blue letter Bible for stuff and my daughter really loves to sit in the church service and highlight the random verses.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now, when I'm reading my Bible, I'll get to a section, it's like a rainbow colored because Miro was putting much rain bovers, like was just, well, this section should be yellow and that section should be blue and again, I'm like, well, now this is distracting what was the message, why are these, where these verses all highlighted in such different ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
[SPEAKER_00]: I am not a big Bible Mark up person, but I look at other people in church.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see them taking notes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see them having their little notes on the side where they can write things down.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think to myself, I'm jealous.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish I could do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it'd be really useful.
[SPEAKER_00]: But all I know is I would just get annoyed with myself later on.
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds to me like this is easily solvable by just a two-byable approach.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't cheer up.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's actually it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think what I need to do is the next time I can get a big open Bible that I can write notes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard of people who like, they'd write notes and sermons and take notes in these things for years and then they give them to their kids or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that would actually be kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be using that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, all right, so let's get to Moody's opinion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's let enough of that somewhere we're at on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see what he said.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a big fan of writing down notes.
[SPEAKER_00]: He he he said, uh, Spurgeon says quote, and this is Moody quoting Spurgeon.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, contemporary is of each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, no scripture is exhausted by a single explanation.
[SPEAKER_00]: The flower of God's garden bloom not only double, but sevenfold.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are continually pouring out fresh fragrance.
[SPEAKER_00]: and he said because the scriptures are never can never be exhausted.
[SPEAKER_00]: Writing notes can help you remember what you've looked at them the last time and help you get deeper and deeper into those scriptures.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did not have my hangups.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, like going back to the YouTuber analogy, this blogger, I say blog, this article, this entry into this book here, it is straight up just a tutorial on how to mark up your book.
[SPEAKER_01]: Number, you know, order of events, here's how I would mark up this part, here's how I would make these connections, here's the way you can do you can underline these or you can put a line next to these.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's so interesting to see, again, someone 150 years ago, giving me a step-by-step tutorial on what do you think the most optimal ways to mark up a Bible are.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's so neat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, probably not going to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, maybe I'm right, maybe I'll give it a go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'll get a market buyable and apply the moody application to it here But I just gave it a point.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: You go you made a point to where like his system like if you're ever called upon to preach on these passages having this all kind of marked down for you
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, is very helpful.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he, and he did want, I don't know if you're going to say this, but he also said whenever you see numbers, you should definitely put little numbers in the margin.
[SPEAKER_00]: He pulls out a, he says, Genesis 12, 2 through 3.
[SPEAKER_00]: You probably heard this verse many times.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, I will make the of you a great nation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will bless you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will make your name great.
[SPEAKER_00]: You shall be a blessing and I will bless them that bless you and curse him that curses you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you, all the families of the earth will be blessed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, did you notice there are seven promises a sevenfold promise to Abraham in that passage?
[SPEAKER_00]: The first is make you a great nation.
[SPEAKER_00]: The second is I will bless you.
[SPEAKER_00]: The third is make your name great.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fourth is you shall be a blessing.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fifth is I will bless them and that bless you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Six is I will curse them, that curses you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And seventh, all the families of the earth will be blessed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Seven different promises in those two.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've read that for so many times.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never noticed that there were seven promises there.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you do it like that, I go, gee, maybe there is something to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I should be doing these kind of numbering systems Like this is kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely didn't pick up on that and so if I were to do Be called upon really quickly that though a sermon together now I have got a list right here the seven promises given the Abraham and I could totally put that sermon together Probably pretty quickly you know what I'm saying so like
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, there's a part of me that's like, this is actually really, really smart.
[SPEAKER_00]: He definitely knows what he's talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then there's another part of me that's like, I can't do that to my Bible.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I need a second Bible, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, our, like, he, like, one of his, one of the steps in his tutorial is to recall, like, sermon or stories or hymns with specific verses.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, when you have a specific person, it reminds you of a specific sermon, like, make a note of this so you can, you can mentally make these connections of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that, again, once you're going through it, again, you, uh, you can not take that out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even down to, like, he's talking, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Railroad connections.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like make fine lines running across the page, you know, that are, you know, he had, and he had examples out like if you're in the book of Daniel, you can connect verse 16 with verse 20 here, but you see how these words are similar.
[SPEAKER_01]: You see how this has come in see here where in this verse says come in here, you know, like that's a good railroad connection.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can connect those ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's just laying it all out here and again, I just can't help shake the that that imagery of him hosting a YouTube tutorial video It is it is the same energy.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's coming through it
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, so he ended up in two where he's like, if this verse parallels another verse somewhere in the Bible, you should write that down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and he made it connect, so he's like, here's some examples.
[SPEAKER_00]: Genesis, sorry, Matthew 633, you know, it's talking about how the flowers of the field, you're hungry, you're worried about clothing, but the flowers of the field are taking care of, seek you first to kingdom and all these things you'll be taken care of.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then over, and then he puts next to it, first King 173.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, what verse in verse King, like, I mean, I've read first King's beta.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know this is the story of Elijah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is he connecting it to?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I pulled it up and I looked at first King 173.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's when Elijah runs into the wilderness.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh my goodness.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, deal, moody is such a genius.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, Elijah calls out a absent, runs into the wilderness.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fed by birds and then it's fed by the widows oil.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a perfect,
[SPEAKER_00]: An example of seek first to kingdom and then you'll be taking care.
[SPEAKER_00]: He knows what you need.
[SPEAKER_00]: He knows you need food.
[SPEAKER_00]: He knows you need clothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, wow, that is power.
[SPEAKER_00]: Part of it is like, man, is it just that like deal moody?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that good with the Bible?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or, you know, is it also like when you mark up your Bible?
[SPEAKER_00]: It helps you make connections like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but I was like, wow, that was it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those were two verses I've never paired before in my head.
[SPEAKER_01]: that's the the thing that it brings to light I feel like in this example of I've just looking back on how dl moody is writing about this stuff and we've talked about this before as well as like is our saturation of resources and opinions
[SPEAKER_01]: negatively affecting our, like, do we lose something by not going through and making these connections ourselves?
[SPEAKER_01]: So if we're like, we're relying on other people to explain this, we're reading commentaries or we're listening to other people explain this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there something we're missing by not digging through and making these connections ourselves?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Moody, I think he would think that like it's not, not optimal, there's something about them living in an era where resources weren't as readily accessible and technology wasn't, didn't make it as easy as it is today that I think did create a system in a structure where those people knew their Bible better than we did, and they had
[SPEAKER_01]: A more intimate connection with a lot of the passages than a lot of us do today, just by nature of the environment that they were studying it in.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, actually, this is actually a really interesting point, because you were talking about how we have so many resources today kind of takes away our own ability to read the Bible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, okay, make sure I say this the right way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to say it's going to be the other way, but like, so I sometimes will read the Bible and go like, well, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I did example as I was reading Judges 1617 years ago and in the story of Samson, there's a woman named Delilah, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, she tricks Samson, gets him to give up the secret.
[SPEAKER_00]: He cuts his hair off and she gets paid 1,100 pieces of silver.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, all the stuff Samson does, he cares on the temple.
[SPEAKER_00]: The very next chapter, Judges 17, you remember there was no chapter breaks back then.
[SPEAKER_00]: It starts with a woman who had 1100 pieces of silver, her son comes up to him, her and says, you know, hey, the person who you thought stole 1100 pieces of silver from you, surprised it's me and she was living in the hill country of Ephraim.
[SPEAKER_00]: that's the same area the tribe of Dan was which Sam Sam was from the same area that Delilah would have been and I thought to myself wait a second is the woman from chapter 16 walking away was 1100 pieces of silver the same woman in chapter 17 right it's at least a fair question and I was sharing that with some people in mind they're like you know I've never heard
[SPEAKER_00]: Anybody, I've never heard any of the professional people that I listen to the sermons and people talk about say that side of the sink you shouldn't think about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, wait, is that like, have we got and this could be its own maybe revive, maybe it's probably probably is its own revive conversation, I was like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Do we just not like think, do we not try to like figure these things out on our own anymore?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do we just kind of, because we have so many resources, we just find somebody who says things we like we plug in and let them do the thinking for us.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, I did look it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are many Jewish, like old Jewish texts that said like, yeah, we're pretty sure that's the like, like it makes a lot of sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it wasn't, maybe it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: We, you know, we can't know for certain because it doesn't use her name.
[SPEAKER_00]: But just like that ability to grapple with and think about the text without having an expert talk to us and give us their opinion.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's something that in our world today we're losing because we can just Google it or chat GBT it so quickly we don't we don't gotta think about it anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just let somebody else give me the answer and I think it's actually good for us to read the text and think about it and methods like this that DL Moody's showing us of how to mark our Bible might just help us force us to start making connections to things that maybe wouldn't otherwise naturally be so easily seen and I think that's a skill we
[SPEAKER_00]: you know experts and professionals necessarily.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway you were saying that and it made me think about that and I think it kind of connects.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay Joel, I think we hit the Michael Bart, the Markle, the Megan Markle, the Bible markup here, ready for the next one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious about the the Sunday paper one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't read that one, but I know you did and I know Because because Diel Moody talks about he's had he's had rant about the Sunday paper and in his sermons and in his docking.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I know he's in the early first sermons was I think called temptations and one of his four temptations of like the modern man in the modern man being like 1895 and one of them is the Sunday paper
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the other one was the theater, and I don't mean like, you know, movies, the picture shows.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a little bit maybe that, but it was more just like, you know, the home grown theaters.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the other one, one of them was, was later time, you know, just people going out to the park.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can't remember what the fourth one was.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were super funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: They sound so quaint.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, you're like, man, I wish the biggest problems we had was people going to the park and the picnicking and the picture shows.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then when you really apply those those things, when you kind of distill them and you go, okay, well, what's the equivalent of that today?
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, well, this something newspaper is the equivalent of like politics and news and the constant bombardment.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, oh geez, do we still have a problem with that today?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, we do.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... laser that's just entertaining yourself and not focusing things on serious uh... back then they would go picnic in the late today we we turn on Netflix or youtube i mean we're not we haven't changed and they when i look at the other one was uh... you know theater would also fill that and it's in the laser could also be sports like how many how many people spend hours and hours pursuing sports instead of dot and so when you look at it like it's like you're like oh my you know this hasn't changed at all actually we're almost exactly the same people and it's just taking a different form
[SPEAKER_00]: So for the Sunday newspaper.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh go ahead.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what would you Acquate what he is rent?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I say ranting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean that is an endering.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't mean it in the negative sense What would you equate that to in today's era when he is upset about how people are Enjoying this Sunday favor.
[SPEAKER_01]: What does that equate do?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think you have to look at the way he says the Sunday paper.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I can pull it up real quick, he says, because he kind of opens this article off with how much time do Christians profitably spend in reading the Sunday newspaper?
[SPEAKER_00]: To many of us who well remember the time when the Sunday newspapers were unknown, such a question would seem hardly worth considering.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the constant repetition of this in similar questions, which continually meets the actively engaged in Christian work, shows that it's a deep rooted institute.
[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, people are always asking him, hey, am I allowed to read this on the newspaper?
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: As somebody teaches young people, I'm constantly getting asked questions by students.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, can I watch this show on Netflix?
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, can I?
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about that?
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't change.
[SPEAKER_00]: People are the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're always doing the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he says,
[SPEAKER_00]: What is it you're, what is it you're getting out of it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you really reading the newspaper to grow?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you've got all these excuses for what's coming out of the newspaper.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says if you're honest, so what you're really interested in is the gossip, the scandals, all the different little news bits of the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can keep up with the times.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not really reading it because you're,
[SPEAKER_00]: You're learning business since or you're doing it for educational purposes.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're doing it because it's hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's scandalous.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's tons of interesting juicy bits of gossip and it keeps you in the know and you, and you like that scratch it itches.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I go, I feel like that's social media today.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that why?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, isn't that why people are online?
[SPEAKER_00]: They're seeing what other people are doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're seeing what other people are talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: They want to be in the conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And is it bad?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, we're on, I'm sure we're all on social media to some degree or another and I actually think that being posting and being a part of social media actually putting yourself out there is a positive thing because those Christians, we can share the line of the gospel into that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But also, we can very easily get caught up in the scrolling, in the news, in the stories, in the drama, and all of this stuff to the point that it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It consumes us and it takes our time away from things that are actually profitable for the Lord.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's his point.
[SPEAKER_00]: They all this time you're spending hours of a day reading through the paper on a Sunday.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you could be spending that time with your family, you could spending that time helping out your church.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could be spending that time thinking about things for God and reading good books, but you're wasting it.
[SPEAKER_00]: on the scandals and gossip of the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like that, I think is something we're honest with ourselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we often, I've often heard at least, you know, girls get kind of put into the condition that they are the ones who are more likely to spill the tea and gossip about things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Guys, on the other hand.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of, we, it sure guy's gossip is not the same, but I think guys gossip through the news like we'll talk about, you know, did you hear what this political person did or did you hear what this sports team traded this person for that?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it almost gets into that realm where our gossip is similar, it's just from people.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I could say this and again, you can come up with exceptions, all you want, that's not the point, but if there was a general rule, girls will gossip about people about the people nearby, and guys are going to gossip about people far away, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we're still gossiping, we're still just talking about scandalous stories.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just through a different perspective.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what Dale Moody's saying, with a dissonant newspaper, it's just, you're not actually usually, you may tell yourself it's for a profitable thing, but really, is it truly profitable?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, well, what do you want to do?
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to leave it there?
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to tag on another one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to hit the good prayer meeting because I personally actually really related to this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: I found it interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I found that I, most of it, I did think was relatively, you know, like normal things.
[SPEAKER_01]: She would expect from a prayer meeting.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do, again, I just can't help but appreciate his, his attention to just practical detail as far as
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, you need to be prepared.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, like when you come to it like no the no the sermon.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you say you're not prepared Everyone yeah, so he was his kind of line there.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said please do not open with I didn't prepare He's like you lost your audience and you should never tell them that why would you say that and I was like that's I mean how many times have we heard a pastor or somebody say or it's speaker
[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, I threw something together real quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's supposed to be kind of a modest humble and secure whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: But all it does is tell everyone, like, oh, I'm about to do a bad job.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and even just like the way he breaks down, like times.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, you could spend, you know, like 15 minutes on prior and then, you know, another 15 minutes section you could spend on, you know, a more specific prior topic.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you get a 30 minutes for the Bible study section.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he, this would really be like, if you guys had no idea where to start.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, when you're starting a prior meeting,
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes over everything you would need to know and his his very specific opinions about What do you think the best way to conduct it was?
[SPEAKER_01]: But he also does caveat he'll go he'll he'll he'll make sure to say like now these are suggestions like there's this isn't like a hard and fast route like You can switch it up you can do whatever you want but At the same time being very specific on all of his parameters at how he likes to conduct things
[SPEAKER_00]: It's something cool too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he starts it with saying, the most important thing is of course you have to have the Holy Spirit leading.
[SPEAKER_00]: If the Holy Spirit is not leading, there will be no good permitting.
[SPEAKER_00]: These as in all physical conditions make it comfortable.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, I did not even believe the angel Gabriel could infuse life into a meeting that is an adult closed off room.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there'd be fresh hair, make it bright and cheerful, but as I like that actually, like he starts his first piece of advice after making sure God is a part of this, it's like, make the environment comfortable, make people want to enjoy it, and I'm like that I think is a really interesting and cool piece of practical advice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Joel, are we printing something?
[SPEAKER_01]: We are printing something, I'm not printing something, my wife is sending things to the printer, my office, so we are serenated with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sounds like an example of a different kind of thing that messes with your comfortable environment, and not just like,
[SPEAKER_00]: He also was very firm on times.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, make sure you begin it in exactly when you say you're going to.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's only fair to the people that are coming that you stick to your word, which is so different.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been a part of prayer meetings where they're like, it'll start at 10.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when the Lord's done moving, it might be at 2 p.m.
[SPEAKER_00]: It might be at whatever I'm like, whoa, whoa.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to know, like, I'm not comfortable.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, like, I,
[SPEAKER_00]: So what I liked about this was he was like if you want a good prayer meeting spend some time in prayer have it regimented first 15 minutes is like sharing second 15 minutes read the Bible together third 15 minutes sing songs fourth 15 minutes finish your praying and it was like I've been in prayer meetings where they just turn music on and they're like okay everybody just pray as you will and it's very random and I'm like honestly I think the album would actually have the right idea and then he also was like make your prayer is really short he was like what was this section here
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I believe in, he said, I believe in definite prayer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, he had said, he said, don't pray the same old prayer.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is he said?
[SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Tomage, we have a sermon by him, of course, says that if we are progressing our Christian life, old prayers would be inappropriate as much as old hats and shoes and clothes from 10 years ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he said, I believe in definite prayer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Abraham prayed for Sodom, Moses, interceded for the children of Israel.
[SPEAKER_00]: How often our prayers go all around the world without actually asking for anything specific.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he says another one where he's like, make sure they're short.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Lord answers most prayers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, here we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lord help me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lord remember me when you come into my kingdom.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lord save us.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are perishing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Short prayers are so often answered.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like just keep your prayers to the point they need to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he even says, don't pray for everything and then leave no one else.
[SPEAKER_00]: Something to pray for.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is the most practical advice I've ever seen on prayer and how to run a prayer and we do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody has to run these kinds of things sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I was like, I wish I had gotten this in Bible College.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish somebody had handed this to me and said, here's by the way, how you run a prayer meeting, at least by D.L.
[SPEAKER_00]: Moody.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so specific, one more was just the leader.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, you have to be full of life and full of the spirit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the audience has to be open to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you're the one who leads someone, if you come in cold and listless, it's just not gonna be moving by God.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you, in my own personal experience, that is so true, if the person leading it, puts their heart into it for God, prays on it hard, and then they are 100% committed and sold into it, it's gonna, it might not be perfect, but it's gonna be fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas when you kind of go in a little nervous, is anyone gonna really care?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I'm the right, any of those kind of, it kills it so fast,
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well I think that might I think that might do it as I mean there there are other there are additional topics So again feel free to click the link and follow that through and read through these on your own They are quite fascinating and you know it's a little blast from the past
[SPEAKER_00]: it was cool it was fun it's nice it's almost nice to read these kind of things with that perspective of history because on the one hand he writes in the quaint way all of the Sunday newspaper right like that's not a problem we have anymore if anything I think sure I think pastors would be thrilled if the only thing they're calling against for doing was reading the Sunday newspaper
[SPEAKER_00]: But on the other hand, it's like convicting because it's like, wait, we really don't change the same things we were doing now.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were doing then and I need to probably, I need to learn some good tips for doing Sabbath better.
[SPEAKER_00]: I learned some good tips for doing prayer meetings.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I really think I really love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I will say in terms of practical advice and in terms of anecdotes.
[SPEAKER_00]: deal moody's the king there is there is there is he is so good at taking your spiritual walk with God and making it practical and saying I mean I highly recommend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, let's get to it for today's episode of Revive Thoughts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, if you listen at half an idea of something that we should talk about on Revive Conversation email us ReviveThats at gmail.com, again, that's ReviveThats at gmail.com.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'd love to look into it and learn about it and possibly chat about it here on Revive Thoughts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Troy, do you have anything for me to send them off?
[SPEAKER_00]: no we just asked if you enjoyed this episode send some people let them know hey maybe there's some good practical advice maybe there's something here maybe you need to give a second Bible now and there has some ideas or maybe hey if you here's what I do I won't say send this to somebody share with us leave a comment a Spotify or X or wherever you're listening or YouTube or whatever it is and let us know
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you agree with all these takes by D.L.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mooney?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you agree with me on the Bible?
[SPEAKER_00]: Where are you at on some of these issues?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because these are, we did a bunch of random topics.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love these kind of side bar topics in history because they're fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious if you had ever even thought about these before or if you agree with them or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's, I don't want to share with people, of course, but I actually want you to tell us what you think.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to hear your people's, I want to hear your thoughts so that we can know where we right, where we wrong was D.L.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mooney right was you wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is Troy Angel and this is Revive Thoughts.
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