WEBVTT 00:00.031 --> 00:04.006 [SPEAKER_00]: It took me 335 applications before I got accepted in federal career. 00:04.789 --> 00:05.452 [SPEAKER_00]: So what's up? 00:05.472 --> 00:06.536 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know right, it's crazy. 00:06.737 --> 00:11.053 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I think in order for someone to be successful. 00:11.236 --> 00:18.752 [SPEAKER_00]: in cyber or just in like, I don't think you should automatically just go to school because school would not answer all of the questions that won't. 00:18.792 --> 00:24.324 [SPEAKER_00]: They won't get you this job making 250k a year and a college should read one as well. 00:24.505 --> 00:26.349 [SPEAKER_00]: But you have to say everything would bring us all. 00:26.649 --> 00:29.235 [SPEAKER_00]: You have to approach college with that mindset from there. 00:29.616 --> 00:31.219 [SPEAKER_00]: I try to let them know. 00:31.199 --> 00:36.366 [SPEAKER_00]: how how you can look at cybersecurity holistically and a short period of time frame. 00:36.526 --> 00:41.192 [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost just like the like the sports analogies like preseason, regular season, and then the playoffs. 00:41.552 --> 00:44.015 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, in preseason, I'm letting all the basics in the foundation. 00:44.656 --> 00:48.321 [SPEAKER_00]: Regular season, you're going to look at Professor Mesmer videos. 00:48.661 --> 00:52.606 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to look at our method academy, the information that you put out there. 00:52.666 --> 00:54.709 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about the later, which is just excellent. 00:57.946 --> 01:06.563 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, you probably never have a security plus maybe even a security clearance and nobody taught you how to write poems or how to test a security control or submit an ATO package. 01:06.803 --> 01:13.997 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Chris Arkpala, I fear years ago, I was in your shoes, all of five on paper, but completely lost when it came to our match. 01:13.977 --> 01:22.009 [SPEAKER_01]: I had a degree, I had to serve, so I had to drive, and what somebody said, how to test the AT2 control, or got a date stick by this. 01:22.089 --> 01:23.952 [SPEAKER_01]: I had no clue what that actually looked like. 01:24.312 --> 01:32.344 [SPEAKER_01]: Fast 4 or 5 years, I worked across DOD and federal agencies, led control assessments, ring ATO package, and pass orders. 01:32.364 --> 01:36.530 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I built our Neficatomy to teach you the real-world execution. 01:36.871 --> 01:38.813 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't cover in certification books. 01:39.474 --> 01:41.497 [SPEAKER_01]: Inside, I'll show you how to write a poem. 01:41.798 --> 01:43.360 [SPEAKER_01]: And don't get fast back. 01:43.340 --> 01:45.063 [SPEAKER_01]: Test and validate security controls. 01:45.543 --> 01:46.805 [SPEAKER_01]: Translate tech jargent. 01:47.306 --> 01:51.633 [SPEAKER_01]: Navigating this 853 and horror map with confidence. 01:51.653 --> 01:56.441 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're in IT support in the government systems or stuck on edge of sub security, this is your way. 01:56.881 --> 02:03.472 [SPEAKER_01]: The people who go through my training don't just be hired, they hit the ground running because they practice the work before they win. 02:03.912 --> 02:06.917 [SPEAKER_01]: Go to horroramaphricatomy.io and let's get the work. 02:07.032 --> 02:09.955 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome everybody to another edition of the Tech World Podcast. 02:10.075 --> 02:11.856 [SPEAKER_01]: I am your host Chris Rai-Pala. 02:11.876 --> 02:15.179 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm an information system security officer inside the Gov Tech space. 02:15.700 --> 02:19.123 [SPEAKER_01]: And in this podcast, we talk about cybersecurity, tech and life. 02:19.663 --> 02:23.507 [SPEAKER_01]: And in today's podcast, we're going to talk to a very outstanding gentleman. 02:23.627 --> 02:25.709 [SPEAKER_01]: His name is Ann Antoine Sririchi. 02:26.409 --> 02:27.591 [SPEAKER_01]: He's an agile professor. 02:28.171 --> 02:31.914 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been working in the information series system security for over 11 years. 02:32.655 --> 02:37.039 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a pleasure for him to be on his podcast and without further ado, how you doing, Antoine? 02:37.019 --> 02:37.560 [SPEAKER_00]: How you doing? 02:37.620 --> 02:38.361 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for having me. 02:38.381 --> 02:39.923 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm parable, appreciate it. 02:39.943 --> 02:42.267 [SPEAKER_01]: So I appreciate you coming to me on this Saturday. 02:42.467 --> 02:46.053 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, you know, Saturday night, you know, you could be doing a lot of things, right? 02:46.113 --> 02:47.235 [SPEAKER_01]: But right, exactly. 02:47.255 --> 02:55.607 [SPEAKER_01]: So, but you chose to come on the podcast and I just want to say I appreciate you for inviting me to American University to speak to the students there. 02:56.028 --> 02:58.572 [SPEAKER_01]: And when I found out you was a professor, you know, 02:58.552 --> 03:16.307 [SPEAKER_01]: teaching at a PWI, you know, and again, it's still no matter what because people are trying to say, only, but working at a PWI is hard to get into those type of schools and teaching, you know, it's a little different, so I appreciate you for even giving me the opportunity, because I never thought I would even get in that type of place, so I appreciate you. 03:16.287 --> 03:17.128 [SPEAKER_00]: No problem. 03:17.148 --> 03:18.290 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're a regular man. 03:18.370 --> 03:19.311 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, thank you for that. 03:19.391 --> 03:22.415 [SPEAKER_00]: But like I told you when we first connected, I was like, I'm a fan of yours. 03:22.936 --> 03:24.778 [SPEAKER_00]: So first of all, thank you for having me here. 03:25.299 --> 03:29.364 [SPEAKER_00]: And as well for coming to the school, I'll allow a Jeffrey and a Sasu. 03:29.704 --> 03:30.605 [SPEAKER_00]: It was excellent. 03:30.625 --> 03:31.907 [SPEAKER_00]: And of course you're team to as well. 03:32.408 --> 03:35.592 [SPEAKER_00]: So when you came and spoke to the class, you know, it was excellent. 03:35.632 --> 03:42.120 [SPEAKER_00]: I had people follow up like, hey, if I want to get a job, would they then want you to have like a little recommendation for them. 03:42.140 --> 03:43.442 [SPEAKER_00]: But I thought it's 03:43.422 --> 03:49.755 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was good though because, you know, I first you had to get, you had to get you had to warm up after a while to do with every break. 03:50.015 --> 03:57.911 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were great, you know, shout-outs to the American University, shout-out with Darius, he came to film, so we're going to make sure I was getting this props too, so... 03:57.931 --> 04:01.178 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and that's, sorry about that, yes, that's, it was great too as well. 04:01.377 --> 04:08.487 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so, you know, Antswan, I know you've been in GRC RMAP for a very, very long time 11 years. 04:08.688 --> 04:14.136 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you studied, you got a, you're getting a doctorate that shot the U.S.E.C. 04:14.176 --> 04:25.593 [SPEAKER_01]: You're getting a doctorate and, and cybersecurity currently, we were just going to just drive into it, uh, like, it was some out of, uh, RMAP in GRC right now. 04:26.113 --> 04:29.899 [SPEAKER_01]: How would somebody, is it still a good space to be in right now? 04:29.879 --> 04:30.941 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes. 04:31.021 --> 04:32.223 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for asking that question. 04:32.644 --> 04:36.811 [SPEAKER_00]: So RMF and GRC is still an excellent field to be in. 04:37.272 --> 04:46.048 [SPEAKER_00]: So GRC, how I look at it, GRC is more of the managerial strategic plan and partnership type of 04:46.028 --> 04:52.939 [SPEAKER_00]: versus RMF you have the steps one through six or seven depending on how you look at it. 04:53.340 --> 04:57.987 [SPEAKER_00]: So RMF is more so it's mandated by the federal government. 04:58.448 --> 05:01.333 [SPEAKER_00]: GRC is not mandated currently. 05:01.353 --> 05:07.142 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's more intuitive for RMF because it's looking at cyber security controls. 05:07.122 --> 05:32.877 [SPEAKER_00]: It's implemented systems, as you know, as an ISSO, it's ATO, it's authority to operate, so aren't met the RMS space, there's still jobs there, GRC as well too, because GRC essentially some people think that it might replace it, but you know, we talk about innovation, what's forthcoming, there might be a possibility that might happen, but for now, and answer your question, there's still a lot of jobs in the space now, a lot of them. 05:32.992 --> 05:49.275 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because we know it's 2030 and beyond and you know if and being in the space, you know, from research, no things changing, maybe not the average, hey, we got to know the seven steps or six steps, but it's changing to a space now where you got to adapt. 05:49.295 --> 05:56.164 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to kind of know Python, you probably got to know the innovation on it, what's up on it also. 05:56.330 --> 05:57.512 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so yeah, you're right. 05:57.572 --> 06:01.937 [SPEAKER_00]: So Python, coding, you definitely should know that information as well. 06:02.458 --> 06:03.780 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a plus, right? 06:03.820 --> 06:10.409 [SPEAKER_00]: Because if you're coming to the table and you're trying to get into the field, what can set me apart from the next person? 06:10.889 --> 06:13.993 [SPEAKER_00]: I know Python, I can automate it, I know X, Y, and Z. 06:14.394 --> 06:15.556 [SPEAKER_00]: This person doesn't. 06:15.576 --> 06:25.729 [SPEAKER_00]: So moving forward, and if you think about this, for the NIS compliance, cybersecurity controls, well, if you talk about GRC and AI, 06:25.709 --> 06:36.737 [SPEAKER_00]: So rather than having an individual input information and their poem to plan an action of milestones, it will already have been automated on the AI side. 06:36.878 --> 06:39.364 [SPEAKER_00]: So that opens up a door for more jobs. 06:39.547 --> 06:49.822 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's just updating a lot of jobs and people can be feeling intimidated by, you know, even here in the world, uh, uh, H.L. 06:49.842 --> 06:59.817 [SPEAKER_01]: or poems or all those, it is getting to the point what those are becoming just the basics now, but, you know, with somebody just with AI, you can just learn their stuff on the fly. 06:59.797 --> 07:00.898 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right. 07:00.918 --> 07:02.981 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I agree and that's the thing too. 07:03.001 --> 07:24.910 [SPEAKER_00]: Like so people they're getting intimidated because People that are you know, I won't give away in my age, but people in my generation in the above Visuals like hey, you know what this AI thing is gonna replace in my job It might replace some jobs, but for the most part, you know, it won't replace most jobs some jobs The wheel you think about automation so you just want to make sure you're trying to keep a abreast of what's coming 07:24.890 --> 07:26.733 [SPEAKER_00]: and they just researched as well too. 07:26.833 --> 07:33.021 [SPEAKER_00]: There's so many free tools out there of course is out there that help you out but automation is coming man is here. 07:33.422 --> 07:46.780 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah you can't be at your house saying everything's witchcraft like TV witchcraft that you know uh punch guard come out I'm more of you from there with that a witchcraft you know but it's something that's going to happen is it's going to change uh 07:46.760 --> 07:50.495 [SPEAKER_01]: With certain agencies now, I know we're both in a federal space, right? 07:50.977 --> 07:56.922 [SPEAKER_01]: So with agencies adapted to this, do you think it's going to be 07:57.121 --> 07:58.763 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know you familiar with. 07:58.863 --> 08:00.304 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you familiar with Jenaia? 08:00.324 --> 08:00.565 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 08:00.825 --> 08:01.866 [SPEAKER_01]: So that just came out. 08:01.886 --> 08:04.128 [SPEAKER_01]: So we see agencies that are changing in the depth. 08:04.148 --> 08:05.229 [SPEAKER_01]: And what should thoughts on that? 08:05.710 --> 08:06.431 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's right. 08:06.571 --> 08:10.095 [SPEAKER_00]: Because one thing is that we've had conversations as well. 08:10.195 --> 08:11.316 [SPEAKER_00]: We talk about innovation. 08:11.336 --> 08:12.377 [SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about AI. 08:12.717 --> 08:14.079 [SPEAKER_00]: We're ready for what's coming next. 08:14.579 --> 08:17.182 [SPEAKER_00]: Because we understand that we don't have a choice. 08:17.382 --> 08:18.804 [SPEAKER_00]: Like innovation is going to happen. 08:18.944 --> 08:23.989 [SPEAKER_00]: So there are some agencies that are currently using an AI. 08:23.969 --> 08:32.201 [SPEAKER_00]: And I read an article, it was a few weeks ago, it might have been Grock, it was some A.A.A.A. 08:32.221 --> 08:33.463 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a Twitter one, right? 08:33.643 --> 08:33.923 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 08:34.064 --> 08:40.974 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I think I'm pretty sure it might have been Grock, but they were licensed in it for like a really, really discount to federal agencies. 08:41.394 --> 08:46.261 [SPEAKER_00]: So federal agencies are slowly coming around to the part of adoption. 08:46.281 --> 08:47.964 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's definitely here. 08:47.984 --> 08:50.247 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's a process as you know. 08:50.227 --> 09:01.212 [SPEAKER_01]: So what agency is trying to do now to try and beat a trick bad even I give it to you for a dollar But then like the year later have chewed at twenty two hundred feet down not a bill right is you can't you can't kick it out now So right right. 09:01.332 --> 09:07.105 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's this the trial period You had a for a dollar and the next miss quick years when it's going to tax you 09:07.169 --> 09:27.051 [SPEAKER_01]: So like with zero tries with AI, do you think like with or in the GRC space no matter what compliance is always going to be there's not fun you know you're just reading a lot of things but how was somebody made mainly that that to those two different things like with zero trust and AI I would do it 09:27.503 --> 09:27.844 [SPEAKER_00]: Great. 09:27.904 --> 09:30.488 [SPEAKER_00]: So the first thing was zero trust people like, well, what is that? 09:30.548 --> 09:33.212 [SPEAKER_00]: I was I would just, and my simply terms on trust anything. 09:33.332 --> 09:34.614 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, no, we can't come to trust. 09:34.655 --> 09:35.997 [SPEAKER_00]: And you'll trust that dude to open the door. 09:36.037 --> 09:37.399 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't trust somebody to come in your house. 09:37.559 --> 09:38.120 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's go. 09:38.140 --> 09:39.883 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't trust anything. 09:40.003 --> 09:40.724 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't trust anything. 09:40.784 --> 09:44.230 [SPEAKER_00]: So from that perspective, you just want to make sure, wait. 09:44.210 --> 09:46.272 [SPEAKER_00]: You weren't, you want to make sure what's coming next. 09:46.292 --> 09:48.976 [SPEAKER_00]: So my advisor tells me this all the time was silent. 09:48.996 --> 09:51.398 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not, like, Windows going, it's not if it's going to happen. 09:51.458 --> 09:52.299 [SPEAKER_00]: It's when it's going to happen. 09:52.680 --> 09:58.006 [SPEAKER_00]: So one thing, one thing that you keep doing, that you can do zero-trust, just start reading up on information. 09:58.327 --> 10:03.152 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you sit, compliance, documents, reading this, reading, resimangement, documents, and this documents. 10:03.553 --> 10:04.414 [SPEAKER_00]: It might not be fun. 10:04.454 --> 10:05.935 [SPEAKER_00]: Now you don't want to read the whole $3,000. 10:06.176 --> 10:09.880 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, $3,000 page, document of this, for example. 10:09.860 --> 10:14.628 [SPEAKER_00]: Just go ahead and just read the introduction, read what it's about, and then scan through the document. 10:14.989 --> 10:19.537 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's more so just doing your research because compliance, act of wildlife, man. 10:19.597 --> 10:29.113 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to read, I don't want to read this document, but once you're able to navigate where to go, this document only needs control, A, B, and C. This one, I just need access control. 10:29.534 --> 10:31.497 [SPEAKER_00]: That'll make it life a whole lot better. 10:31.814 --> 10:39.547 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's good to with that right now because the same thing with CMFC, a lot of, I know so many people that started companies, they've millionaires. 10:40.509 --> 10:46.639 [SPEAKER_01]: Same thing with this, if you get on it, same thing with quantum, that's another one that's like a couple years down road. 10:46.720 --> 10:48.743 [SPEAKER_01]: And once they get quantum, 10:48.723 --> 10:52.508 [SPEAKER_01]: They pretty much have said you sent it or as sent it at that point. 10:52.829 --> 10:56.013 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, because they just figure out where to cool it down. 10:56.073 --> 10:59.598 [SPEAKER_01]: So, well, the point I'm trying to make is that you just got to get on these trends now. 11:00.219 --> 11:01.120 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, that's good. 11:01.401 --> 11:04.746 [SPEAKER_01]: It's an end and the thing that the only thing that I don't know is you know it's all about this. 11:04.766 --> 11:05.887 [SPEAKER_01]: This is free information. 11:06.708 --> 11:10.714 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and you take this, there's literally a company that's paying $5,000 just to teach that. 11:10.694 --> 11:11.455 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're right. 11:11.515 --> 11:14.100 [SPEAKER_00]: So like you said, Qualum, just a quick backstory. 11:14.540 --> 11:23.716 [SPEAKER_00]: So my class at AU, one thing that I want them to do outside of learning secure software development, how can you put XYZ to place? 11:23.736 --> 11:25.058 [SPEAKER_00]: So they're doing research papers. 11:25.519 --> 11:27.302 [SPEAKER_00]: And one paper was on Qualum. 11:27.282 --> 11:31.511 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's just like they're understanding the next generation what's coming. 11:31.872 --> 11:39.650 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's just, I mean, to me, it's like a great thing because they already know how to pivot, how to change the mind frame, how to be ready. 11:39.710 --> 11:43.418 [SPEAKER_00]: But like you said, you want to make sure it's your head of the curve and try to get that money. 11:43.617 --> 11:45.962 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're a great professor, because I, uh, thanks, man. 11:46.202 --> 11:47.425 [SPEAKER_01]: I tell this story all the time. 11:47.465 --> 11:50.932 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a professor, and maybe make something on Bitcoin me to pay more Bitcoin. 11:51.433 --> 11:52.515 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, everything about Bitcoin. 11:52.736 --> 11:53.477 [SPEAKER_01]: I, I everything. 11:54.159 --> 11:57.987 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was like, well, I'd rather go on vacation and spend my own vacation. 11:58.007 --> 12:00.552 [SPEAKER_01]: And the next thing you know, you was later, oh, Bitcoin, 100,000. 12:00.873 --> 12:01.474 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, oh. 12:01.454 --> 12:19.753 [SPEAKER_01]: And the retry about now, the Brazil, you know, why are you going to be in Brazil and Brazil, so I'm like, dang, so when I, I'm going to always tell the story for the rest of my life, if you do research on the act on it, like I said, God can all of you would literally put the light in your face, see this landing office, you know. 12:19.773 --> 12:22.298 [SPEAKER_00]: Why why this white there is a luminate nervous. 12:22.582 --> 12:32.874 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so like with the with with all that going on, I know with in the government's phase now, we're we're starting to go into agentic AI we're going to have the AI is going to start doing work for you. 12:33.034 --> 12:35.241 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there anything that you're scared about with that? 12:36.841 --> 13:01.043 [SPEAKER_00]: Not really because I'm I'm always just trying to prepare myself for what's to come a what's out there, but I'm not scared per se, but I want to tap into the AI so like you said I can I can kind of you know monetize all those stuff, but I just like reading in general about things that are coming and things are happening and years ago I didn't know about Bitcoin and I'm sorry for your loss to make sure you shouldn't you should have. 13:01.023 --> 13:02.204 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be crying about that. 13:02.244 --> 13:03.605 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what's that crying literally? 13:03.705 --> 13:04.586 [SPEAKER_01]: You should have done that, man. 13:04.726 --> 13:05.227 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know. 13:05.507 --> 13:07.409 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, but here was this party hired by now. 13:07.449 --> 13:09.771 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was like, what I do my masters? 13:09.831 --> 13:11.332 [SPEAKER_01]: I think 2017, 2018. 13:12.393 --> 13:15.736 [SPEAKER_01]: I know so much about Bitcoin. 13:15.757 --> 13:18.299 [SPEAKER_01]: And I got, I know the capabilities of the future. 13:18.399 --> 13:20.701 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to get to the point that Donald's not going to be more of anything. 13:21.081 --> 13:21.282 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 13:21.382 --> 13:25.826 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, even if it's not that, it's going to be some type of crypto straight up. 13:26.867 --> 13:27.988 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, oh, man. 13:28.048 --> 13:30.490 [SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, to bring that up, sorry. 13:30.723 --> 13:31.164 [SPEAKER_01]: That's cool. 13:31.184 --> 13:34.908 [SPEAKER_01]: It's also me something else and I like that though, but no, and I like that. 13:35.028 --> 13:36.730 [SPEAKER_01]: No, man, all right. 13:36.770 --> 13:37.531 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me get back focus. 13:37.591 --> 13:38.792 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't get back. 13:38.812 --> 13:48.383 [SPEAKER_01]: What was the question to get so with the Jensen guy and I'm using it to, you know, create robots and things to do the jobs in the government space. 13:48.403 --> 13:54.030 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it would happen and then, too, like, how would you, how would you advise and are you worried about it? 13:54.314 --> 14:14.601 [SPEAKER_00]: So I am worried about it just from the sense of the just unknown, but I'm also excited at the same time because kind of like I mentioned, I want to make sure that whatever technologies that are out there from a due diligence that I'm kind of already ahead of the curveball, but when you start talking about robotics and things in that nature. 14:14.581 --> 14:21.490 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a little bit creepy because I don't want to come into the office and they're used to be, let's just say, standing for example, sitting next to me. 14:21.510 --> 14:23.733 [SPEAKER_00]: Then I come in and it's just a robot right there. 14:23.753 --> 14:25.716 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like, what is my life coming to? 14:26.117 --> 14:28.961 [SPEAKER_00]: But to me, it's just innovation. 14:29.281 --> 14:32.385 [SPEAKER_00]: And I guess that's the one thing I keep pushing to even my students. 14:32.505 --> 14:33.687 [SPEAKER_00]: Innovation is coming. 14:33.667 --> 14:38.052 [SPEAKER_00]: So, AI, I think of the AI bubble years ago to the cybersecurity bubble. 14:38.433 --> 14:42.618 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, AI is a different animal, a different beast, but just in terms of impact. 14:42.638 --> 14:48.886 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I remember when the cybersecurity, when they came the bubble, everyone was cyber this, cyber that, which was great, which was cool. 14:49.326 --> 14:53.531 [SPEAKER_00]: The AI is a different animal because, you know, AI is machine learning. 14:53.992 --> 14:58.257 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you can have a Gen AI system that's bias. 14:58.237 --> 15:01.246 [SPEAKER_00]: and it's getting you information off of this system as bias. 15:01.587 --> 15:08.989 [SPEAKER_00]: Versus this system might have all the factual information in its non-bias, so it just depends on what AI system you use. 15:09.290 --> 15:14.318 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm worried about it because in the government space, you know, like you're working with government people. 15:14.758 --> 15:21.609 [SPEAKER_01]: So they could put all types of information like you said the bias is the saying, hey, this is not a good worker because it is annoying. 15:21.629 --> 15:27.298 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's going to build it all like we mess up the idea to be honest with you, because we think that the data, right? 15:27.318 --> 15:30.623 [SPEAKER_01]: He thinks the data, so it's just like it's getting information from us. 15:30.603 --> 15:38.156 [SPEAKER_01]: Can we get met as like if you have a kid he teach a kid these certain things and they come out and turn to like if you teach a kid I hate you got used by them. 15:38.176 --> 15:50.637 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right and did do everything if they become a serial killer Some in the future is that really or is that really on the kid is really on with fit in the information all right They don't come out swing Let it but not swing it couldn't come 15:51.308 --> 15:59.948 [SPEAKER_01]: But with AI, how would, and I know from you doing a lot of research, how would, did you, somebody just do a sub-security? 16:00.028 --> 16:03.035 [SPEAKER_01]: How would you teach them to kind of learn about it? 16:03.577 --> 16:05.942 [SPEAKER_01]: Or, how would you go about learning about it? 16:06.327 --> 16:13.854 [SPEAKER_00]: So the first thing I would do as it pertains to learning AI is, I would, of course, I would go to the internet, though. 16:14.294 --> 16:16.576 [SPEAKER_00]: Google, I would use, I would use AI tool. 16:17.557 --> 16:23.943 [SPEAKER_00]: I would use numerous AI tools because I would kind of do a compare and contrast, just to see what information is out there. 16:24.143 --> 16:26.505 [SPEAKER_00]: And I would use it on something that I already know about. 16:26.885 --> 16:28.227 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I would already have my facts. 16:28.247 --> 16:31.049 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would go, I'm a big buck, I just fan of from Ohio. 16:31.069 --> 16:31.970 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, oh, oh. 16:31.990 --> 16:33.211 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm a buck, I'm from Ohio. 16:33.631 --> 16:34.412 [SPEAKER_00]: Buck, I just back there. 16:34.732 --> 16:35.473 [SPEAKER_00]: That's cool books. 16:35.453 --> 16:40.339 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I would just start and ask information like, okay, where's Ohio State University? 16:41.020 --> 16:53.134 [SPEAKER_00]: Basic facts that I already know, just to see if this information is accurate, but then again, I would take it to the next level, I know about cyber security, so I would start feeding it just random facts that I know, but just see how the information comes out. 16:53.535 --> 17:02.085 [SPEAKER_00]: So, that's the thing, it's like testing the valuation period, just how you do, like, all the way, all the rise of the system, I would just like RMF AI, so I would take it. 17:02.065 --> 17:11.201 [SPEAKER_00]: I would look at the system, I would categorize the system, and I would go through steps A all the way through Z, just to see if the information is accurate. 17:11.221 --> 17:20.317 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because you will meet when I say for example, I feel there's so much information, but sometimes even now and it gives me all junky information about the steps at our event process. 17:20.777 --> 17:26.908 [SPEAKER_01]: Or sort of things, I do like how it gives you images and things like that, but she's got to be very careful and just verify everything you, 17:26.888 --> 17:31.975 [SPEAKER_01]: even if I put on an article, I say is this accurate, you know, sometimes are be unbiased. 17:31.995 --> 17:34.679 [SPEAKER_01]: So you got to make sure you're, you're, you're, you're verifying it. 17:35.039 --> 17:45.593 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, so I think a Google has like, uh, like, if you really want to learn from the white papers and things like Google was a Google scholar or something like that, uh, you can learn information like that, even YouTube. 17:45.614 --> 17:51.141 [SPEAKER_01]: We're watching the podcast, but yeah, a lot of people are intimidated in the governance 17:51.121 --> 17:52.844 [SPEAKER_01]: All it can do is it can do there. 17:53.124 --> 17:54.888 [SPEAKER_01]: Those are the people who could get left behind. 17:55.128 --> 17:55.308 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 17:55.609 --> 17:55.829 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 17:56.050 --> 17:56.150 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 17:56.170 --> 17:56.711 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing. 17:56.851 --> 17:57.532 [SPEAKER_00]: They're scared. 17:57.632 --> 18:01.860 [SPEAKER_00]: But like it's okay because you're you're going into the charters of the unknown. 18:01.880 --> 18:03.302 [SPEAKER_00]: But in the order to get over your fear. 18:03.422 --> 18:03.923 [SPEAKER_00]: Do what to say. 18:03.943 --> 18:05.125 [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing to fear is for yourself. 18:05.466 --> 18:06.387 [SPEAKER_00]: Get over that fear. 18:06.528 --> 18:07.690 [SPEAKER_00]: Start learning about AI. 18:07.770 --> 18:08.952 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, Google scholar. 18:09.433 --> 18:11.216 [SPEAKER_00]: That's where you can go and get information. 18:11.296 --> 18:13.019 [SPEAKER_00]: Should be unbiased. 18:13.319 --> 18:13.760 [SPEAKER_00]: Go from there. 18:14.001 --> 18:14.582 [SPEAKER_00]: White people. 18:14.602 --> 18:16.605 [SPEAKER_01]: Google scholar is like good. 18:16.585 --> 18:17.927 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very good information. 18:17.968 --> 18:19.410 [SPEAKER_01]: Now get you some very good information. 18:19.430 --> 18:21.754 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're reading actually cotton, this is not best to be approved. 18:21.855 --> 18:22.716 [SPEAKER_01]: It's scholarly. 18:22.756 --> 18:24.159 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so yeah, yeah, you're right. 18:24.179 --> 18:31.713 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you can go to someone's Google Scholar page and if they're all through a call out there that might have three or four, three or four, like publish articles on there. 18:31.773 --> 18:33.075 [SPEAKER_00]: They got two. 18:33.055 --> 18:33.696 [SPEAKER_00]: It's sad. 18:33.716 --> 18:34.597 [SPEAKER_00]: Congratulations. 18:34.617 --> 18:35.017 [SPEAKER_00]: I know, right? 18:35.037 --> 18:35.858 [SPEAKER_00]: I should have more. 18:36.158 --> 18:36.519 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 18:36.539 --> 18:37.139 [SPEAKER_00]: I know, right? 18:37.400 --> 18:38.160 [SPEAKER_00]: I should set file. 18:38.200 --> 18:38.841 [SPEAKER_01]: Just flip it up. 18:38.901 --> 18:39.241 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 18:39.261 --> 18:41.083 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have his head splutter by the time it's done. 18:41.103 --> 18:41.724 [SPEAKER_01]: But you're doing great. 18:41.744 --> 18:42.885 [SPEAKER_01]: You even got one poster. 18:42.905 --> 18:43.466 [SPEAKER_01]: That's amazing. 18:43.626 --> 18:44.407 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's this. 18:44.427 --> 18:44.927 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what's up. 18:45.087 --> 18:45.288 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks. 18:45.308 --> 18:45.528 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 18:45.668 --> 18:46.149 [SPEAKER_00]: It was good. 18:46.169 --> 18:46.609 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was. 18:47.009 --> 18:49.532 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's the whole thing about about studying a research. 18:49.712 --> 18:51.194 [SPEAKER_00]: Just keep seamless out there. 18:51.634 --> 18:52.595 [SPEAKER_00]: Put a paper out there. 18:52.695 --> 18:54.397 [SPEAKER_00]: You might not agree with my paper. 18:54.818 --> 18:55.378 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's. 18:55.518 --> 19:01.965 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you find a different way to say what I'm trying to implement and then put your. 19:01.945 --> 19:03.588 [SPEAKER_01]: and then they curious, right? 19:03.608 --> 19:09.599 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, sometimes I'd be curious, it would be on the right bowl, who created football, who created NFL, the same way we do that, we could do the same thing, yeah. 19:09.859 --> 19:11.041 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Clayton, that was epic, yeah. 19:11.061 --> 19:12.884 [SPEAKER_01]: I always want to see if this is true or not. 19:12.965 --> 19:13.425 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah. 19:13.446 --> 19:17.052 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I talked to some of the people about the positive, but this is the negative zone. 19:17.252 --> 19:18.274 [SPEAKER_01]: Negative zone, yeah. 19:18.294 --> 19:21.159 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what's your thoughts on the negatives though? 19:21.179 --> 19:22.722 [SPEAKER_00]: I try to, I try to, I try to. 19:23.056 --> 19:24.638 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a very optimistic type of person. 19:25.219 --> 19:32.428 [SPEAKER_00]: So I try to take everything with a grain of salt because I do know from doing research just like we mentioned before. 19:32.568 --> 19:38.175 [SPEAKER_00]: The data that you put into AI for this machine learning tool is going to spit that out. 19:38.675 --> 19:41.639 [SPEAKER_00]: So I try to get information for more than one. 19:41.799 --> 19:44.102 [SPEAKER_00]: So claw, crock, 19:44.082 --> 19:45.664 [SPEAKER_00]: Copilot Gemini. 19:46.145 --> 19:52.012 [SPEAKER_00]: I just I surveyed a landscape to see like what are you saying like no, what I'm like hey Do I really have a hairline? 19:52.272 --> 19:54.255 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't say what do you guys just say? 19:54.295 --> 20:04.388 [SPEAKER_01]: You know you surveyed a landscape, but not go from there I'm losing my slowly I think I think I got like a couple more years and hopefully you've got I'm gonna shave just shave it down to some boy You got a man. 20:04.408 --> 20:05.169 [SPEAKER_00]: You got him with it. 20:05.429 --> 20:09.094 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm yeah, man I'm in I'm hanging in here 20:11.791 --> 20:34.879 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we hate it, man, so, so, okay, not this thing, yes, not guys, we hang in, we hang in, first I know as a professor, you're always doing research and studying, from your research now, what are some of the trends that's coming and then we're some things that we probably need to pay attention to going on for. 20:35.315 --> 20:37.018 [SPEAKER_00]: So one that you mentioned now was quon. 20:37.439 --> 20:40.324 [SPEAKER_00]: So from my research now, of course, is ongoing. 20:40.505 --> 20:43.290 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully, Laura willing this time, I next year, I'll be done. 20:43.751 --> 20:54.471 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm looking at artificial intelligence but a transformer base, G&AI model that can help continuous monitoring to prevent attacks. 20:54.451 --> 20:58.361 [SPEAKER_00]: So essentially, I were talking about AI and my replace our job. 20:58.702 --> 21:11.835 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, some jobs, I think it's cool to have AI replace humans because if you're looking at automation tools, there might be something that the Huma AI might not catch talking about the Tino's monitoring, well, this AI tool. 21:11.815 --> 21:12.476 [SPEAKER_00]: it's like that. 21:12.536 --> 21:15.919 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a speeding image of us, but it's more efficient, more effectively. 21:16.299 --> 21:39.561 [SPEAKER_00]: So just looking at AI, how the trends are as far as what's coming, but I'm looking at that from on my research front, just different transformer-based models through G&AI, and then also trying to come up with different coal, Python, and things of that nature, just to make sure that if there's something out there that I can extract that data, so that's one of the main things of the acronym as well. 21:39.541 --> 21:49.146 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I keep hearing quantum, you know, and quantum is flawed in general, so A is, it'll make some money on that, you know, it is. 21:49.514 --> 22:17.563 [SPEAKER_00]: and kind of like you mentioned earlier when you had the the big coin stock so or you could have had the big coin stock so i'm doing research now because i want to make sure that i'm ahead of the curve as it pertains to you know those type of stocks and stuff so it's it's some aren't told for me so i'm gonna come back to you a some pop up it doesn't have to show and we don't try to sell no more time i'm tired i'm trying to uh go to bazook it's hard but go to Nigeria you know go back to my home country you know 22:17.948 --> 22:18.730 [SPEAKER_00]: all that best. 22:18.750 --> 22:18.990 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it. 22:19.010 --> 22:19.872 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to the mother left. 22:20.213 --> 22:26.306 [SPEAKER_01]: So, and I know being a professor, you're teaching at an American University currently. 22:26.607 --> 22:26.707 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 22:27.769 --> 22:31.838 [SPEAKER_01]: When you're talking to students, how are you educating them? 22:31.938 --> 22:35.907 [SPEAKER_01]: What is the best practices where somebody is trying to get into the cybersecurity space? 22:36.207 --> 22:39.053 [SPEAKER_00]: Excellent question and that's something that I get excited to talk about. 22:39.554 --> 22:41.799 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so I'm at American University. 22:41.879 --> 22:46.288 [SPEAKER_00]: I teach on the cyber front and again, thanks for coming to speak into the class. 22:46.769 --> 22:52.140 [SPEAKER_00]: So the biggest thing I tell people as it pertains to cyber is that. 22:52.120 --> 22:56.446 [SPEAKER_00]: Depending on what you want to go on your career, there's an avenue for it. 22:56.847 --> 22:59.411 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to be a system administrator on Cypher, you can do that. 22:59.851 --> 23:01.654 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to be on a Pala Society, you can do that. 23:02.054 --> 23:04.238 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to be a technical writer, you can do that. 23:04.258 --> 23:06.721 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to work at the Security Operations Center, you can do that. 23:07.122 --> 23:13.151 [SPEAKER_00]: So the basic thing that I do is, I let them know the foundation of Cypher Security, to try it. 23:13.351 --> 23:15.294 [SPEAKER_00]: Confidentiality, integrity, availability. 23:15.815 --> 23:18.178 [SPEAKER_00]: From there, I try to let them know 23:18.158 --> 23:23.345 [SPEAKER_00]: how you can look at cybersecurity holistically and a short period of time frame. 23:23.465 --> 23:28.131 [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost just like the sports analogies, like pre-season, regular season, and then the playoffs. 23:28.511 --> 23:30.974 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, in pre-season, I'm letting all the basics in the foundation. 23:31.595 --> 23:35.280 [SPEAKER_00]: Regular season, you're going to look at Professor Mesmer videos. 23:35.600 --> 23:39.545 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to look at our method Academy, the information that you put out there. 23:39.605 --> 23:41.888 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about the later, which is just excellent. 23:41.868 --> 23:44.554 [SPEAKER_00]: Look at the information from professionals. 23:44.574 --> 23:46.198 [SPEAKER_00]: See how they look at cybersecurity. 23:46.639 --> 23:48.523 [SPEAKER_00]: And make sure that you can put your own twist on it. 23:48.904 --> 23:51.309 [SPEAKER_00]: From there, postseason is time to put it to work. 23:51.810 --> 23:55.017 [SPEAKER_00]: So you're going to have to make sure that you gain validate everything. 23:55.057 --> 23:59.387 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything has the auditship, compliance shit, cybersecurity. 23:59.367 --> 24:00.349 [SPEAKER_00]: security checks. 24:00.710 --> 24:02.413 [SPEAKER_00]: Do I have a preventive control in place? 24:02.834 --> 24:06.140 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's almost just like that roadmap from step A to step Z. 24:06.681 --> 24:09.787 [SPEAKER_00]: Just to make sure that they understand it and then at the end they can replicate it. 24:10.188 --> 24:16.600 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm always there for the students to talk to them about it, to walk through it, give them real-like examples. 24:16.580 --> 24:21.970 [SPEAKER_00]: Bring people like you and Gerfly of Sasu come in and talk to the students and let them know about it. 24:22.071 --> 24:30.707 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's more so a theoretical type of course, but you still need to know the basics and how to operate the tools. 24:31.025 --> 24:37.915 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I understand, and then too, like, as a professor and I, a lot of kids, they always act you, like, I'm just going to get in this opportunity. 24:37.935 --> 24:38.516 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been with them. 24:39.057 --> 24:40.079 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's a lot of roles. 24:40.159 --> 24:42.382 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, it didn't like break that down to them. 24:42.683 --> 24:43.704 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I understand. 24:43.724 --> 24:44.125 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do. 24:44.245 --> 24:44.525 [SPEAKER_00]: I do. 24:44.606 --> 24:49.573 [SPEAKER_00]: So one thing that I just like, I like analogous, like I'm a person, a visual person. 24:49.553 --> 24:52.098 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll look at cyber as like a network digress. 24:52.118 --> 24:53.080 [SPEAKER_00]: So cyber is right here. 24:53.361 --> 24:55.585 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you get, you have the network side of cyber. 24:55.605 --> 24:56.627 [SPEAKER_00]: You got network security. 24:56.708 --> 24:57.830 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to be a network engineer. 24:57.850 --> 24:58.351 [SPEAKER_00]: You can do that. 24:58.792 --> 25:04.223 [SPEAKER_00]: If you also want to be a compliance, you can be a cyber security auditor, or if you just want to get into the field. 25:04.684 --> 25:07.309 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's, it's, 25:07.289 --> 25:13.134 [SPEAKER_00]: The best way to get a soft security, I took the roll list, I went, worked to help best, and did not pivot at all. 25:13.635 --> 25:24.165 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to get a soft security, you definitely need your security plus certification, but also if you don't have works, work experience on your resume, you need to have some tools that you use online. 25:24.185 --> 25:31.711 [SPEAKER_00]: You need to show them that you looked at Professor Mezzman videos, put owners and Coursera Coursera coursework, put on their armific academy. 25:31.731 --> 25:33.153 [SPEAKER_00]: That's when to get their foot in the door. 25:33.513 --> 25:35.575 [SPEAKER_00]: Once they get the foot in the door, they 25:35.673 --> 25:39.359 [SPEAKER_01]: So, like, what are some projects like hands-on projects you would recommend to them to do? 25:39.420 --> 25:42.024 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, you know, theory, you know, reading and things like that. 25:42.204 --> 25:42.405 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 25:42.525 --> 25:44.428 [SPEAKER_01]: So, what would you recommend to your students also? 25:45.029 --> 25:55.808 [SPEAKER_00]: So, of course, Sarah, they have hands-on projects that you can do for cybersecurity, and some of my students for the fall semester, they were implement and controls, and they were looking at, 25:55.788 --> 25:58.151 [SPEAKER_00]: It was something for network security. 25:58.191 --> 25:59.252 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember the name of it. 25:59.512 --> 26:02.356 [SPEAKER_00]: But they went through Corsair, and that was the platform. 26:02.676 --> 26:04.378 [SPEAKER_00]: And they were able to do hands-on labs. 26:04.798 --> 26:15.190 [SPEAKER_00]: And so for the hands-on labs, they were able to ping systems and different things as far as the network security and the OC layer, one of the sudden layers of cyber security. 26:15.651 --> 26:19.956 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a lot of tools out there that are free that they can use. 26:19.936 --> 26:25.044 [SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of people, and as I said, free free, the people love people don't like free yet. 26:25.084 --> 26:29.972 [SPEAKER_01]: They think you've got to just eat them people in, and it's still a point people think you can buy yourself into a career now. 26:30.333 --> 26:31.234 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not going to happen. 26:31.254 --> 26:36.824 [SPEAKER_01]: The people I know that done the best, of course, they take courses, but you've got to kind of brute force it. 26:36.884 --> 26:38.466 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, sure. 26:38.486 --> 26:40.189 [SPEAKER_01]: And especially, you know, 26:41.283 --> 26:46.288 [SPEAKER_01]: When I talk to the students and they're talking about, you know, they want to make a hundred K after they be even. 26:46.608 --> 26:49.892 [SPEAKER_01]: Things like that, do you kind of give them like a reality check about what things going to happen? 26:51.213 --> 26:53.535 [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I do, because you have to. 26:53.556 --> 26:57.399 [SPEAKER_00]: And I want to make sure that it's almost like cyber security. 26:57.439 --> 26:59.081 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like their first level of defense. 26:59.462 --> 27:02.745 [SPEAKER_00]: So when it comes to me with a question, I'm going to give them the reality. 27:03.125 --> 27:05.908 [SPEAKER_00]: But there's always that that respect factor there. 27:06.008 --> 27:10.733 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's also, I'm looking at it as a, I'm a mid-toward to them. 27:10.713 --> 27:15.658 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to get 100K coming out of college and cyber security, I'm not saying that you can do that. 27:16.078 --> 27:18.701 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you, if you think you want to do that, plan for it. 27:18.941 --> 27:20.022 [SPEAKER_00]: Plan your freshman year. 27:20.342 --> 27:21.804 [SPEAKER_00]: Why I to get this 100K job? 27:22.184 --> 27:25.427 [SPEAKER_00]: You might have to intern with Google, for example, your freshman year. 27:25.847 --> 27:28.470 [SPEAKER_00]: Sophomore year, you might have to Google with NSA. 27:29.191 --> 27:31.773 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, junior year, you might have to NSA with the FBI. 27:31.933 --> 27:37.619 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you last year, let's say you work with Google or listen to another company, Amazon, AWS. 27:38.179 --> 27:39.100 [SPEAKER_00]: So, 27:39.080 --> 27:40.863 [SPEAKER_00]: Look at look at the grapes as I do. 27:40.903 --> 27:41.584 [SPEAKER_00]: Look at the grapes. 27:42.045 --> 27:46.913 [SPEAKER_00]: See how they have a cheap 100k and they make it on the best thing you've got to figure out. 27:46.933 --> 27:49.718 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, isn't that wrong with copying a format? 27:49.878 --> 27:50.159 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 27:50.579 --> 27:55.167 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not saying like, you know, they even want to do podcast and or how I move in life. 27:55.187 --> 28:02.740 [SPEAKER_01]: I just copy somebody that did it before me, but still do it your own way, but it's just already you don't have to change anything up, man. 28:02.820 --> 28:04.142 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just the same process. 28:04.122 --> 28:05.524 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and that's it. 28:05.544 --> 28:06.285 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I agree with you. 28:06.385 --> 28:09.089 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the evolution of life of the pigeon will keep swinging. 28:09.109 --> 28:12.594 [SPEAKER_00]: Look at look at the grace and see what made them great and then put your own twist on it. 28:12.634 --> 28:13.736 [SPEAKER_00]: Just be a little twisted. 28:13.756 --> 28:16.840 [SPEAKER_00]: Just like we always talk about our method like, man, I love what you're doing. 28:16.900 --> 28:19.164 [SPEAKER_00]: Just I just want to be a part of something that's authentic. 28:19.544 --> 28:20.846 [SPEAKER_00]: Your platform is authentic. 28:21.126 --> 28:23.830 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's just like, you know, I'm I'm coming and I'm looking at you. 28:24.311 --> 28:25.112 [SPEAKER_00]: It's authentic. 28:25.132 --> 28:30.720 [SPEAKER_00]: I could put my own twist on it and then still show you the respect and then make fight better. 28:30.818 --> 28:31.799 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 28:32.019 --> 28:34.561 [SPEAKER_01]: If I can't be myself, how am I expecting guests to be this off? 28:34.581 --> 28:35.262 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right. 28:35.302 --> 28:36.483 [SPEAKER_02]: You're excited. 28:36.503 --> 28:38.065 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to be behind it, but says so. 28:38.085 --> 28:39.426 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to be comfortable? 28:39.466 --> 28:40.287 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, well, Chris, serious. 28:40.307 --> 28:46.512 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't see him, but we all look, well, up for a little bit, then you're still in a figure. 28:46.532 --> 28:47.453 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the thing about it. 28:47.793 --> 28:53.278 [SPEAKER_00]: And even being a mentor and being a college professor is like, hey, I'm telling you from a place of experience. 28:53.298 --> 28:56.161 [SPEAKER_00]: I can tell you from a place of experience and you were not talked about this. 28:56.661 --> 29:00.825 [SPEAKER_00]: It took me through 135 applications 29:00.805 --> 29:01.967 [SPEAKER_00]: So what's up? 29:01.987 --> 29:03.388 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know right crazy. 29:03.408 --> 29:12.100 [SPEAKER_00]: So I took all of those nose at yes, crazy I took those nose and I made a positive out of that I try to find a silver lining in their situation. 29:12.701 --> 29:18.148 [SPEAKER_00]: I was reading the comments that the emails that I would receive it Most of the time they said it went to a bet. 29:18.489 --> 29:19.310 [SPEAKER_00]: I respect the best. 29:19.350 --> 29:25.378 [SPEAKER_00]: I have nothing to guess that But there was one time I got an email back from the actual recruiter and told me 29:25.358 --> 29:26.900 [SPEAKER_00]: that I wasn't accepted. 29:26.940 --> 29:27.540 [SPEAKER_00]: So what did I do? 29:27.881 --> 29:28.701 [SPEAKER_00]: I reached out to her. 29:28.962 --> 29:31.004 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like the worst thing she can do was not respond. 29:31.524 --> 29:34.067 [SPEAKER_00]: And she told me what I needed to do on my resume. 29:34.087 --> 29:35.909 [SPEAKER_00]: And then guy, she helped me because she didn't have to. 29:36.449 --> 29:39.733 [SPEAKER_00]: She was like, hey, Antoine, we liked your resume, we liked your accomplishments. 29:40.033 --> 29:41.474 [SPEAKER_00]: However, you need X, Y, and Z. 29:42.015 --> 29:43.577 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, she know, and that's a really current thing. 29:43.597 --> 29:45.158 [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, this is what you, you just reach out. 29:45.198 --> 29:46.199 [SPEAKER_01]: You never know what happened. 29:46.219 --> 29:46.480 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 29:46.680 --> 29:48.882 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but like the feel like I reached out. 29:48.902 --> 29:50.664 [SPEAKER_01]: That was like, I was like, cause I didn't know. 29:50.684 --> 29:54.808 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was just like, I was like, oh, this 29:54.788 --> 30:02.379 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, with education now, um, I'm, I'm kind of 50 50 on modern day education and colleges. 30:02.579 --> 30:04.021 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe we should have a degree. 30:04.261 --> 30:05.943 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be where I had without a degree. 30:06.064 --> 30:08.848 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's gaps in the educational system. 30:08.868 --> 30:12.853 [SPEAKER_01]: Some universities do it right, but I feel like a lot of universities are outdated. 30:12.953 --> 30:14.916 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what do you think can help that? 30:15.336 --> 30:15.757 [SPEAKER_00]: Gotcha. 30:16.138 --> 30:22.426 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so I'm definitely with you there on the, on the educational front, Tennessee State HBCU undergrad. 30:22.486 --> 30:23.648 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 30:23.712 --> 30:30.870 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man, at HBCU, but, oh, graduate school, Georgetown graduate, UDC, HBCU, so I had to put out there. 30:31.752 --> 30:37.266 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, HBCU, I don't, I think in order for someone to be successful, 30:37.432 --> 30:50.509 [SPEAKER_00]: in cyber or just in like, I don't think you should automatically just go to school because school would not answer all of the questions they won't they won't get you this job making 250k a year and a college would read one as well. 30:50.710 --> 30:52.552 [SPEAKER_00]: But you have to say everything with a brain to solve. 30:52.832 --> 30:58.180 [SPEAKER_00]: You have to approach college with that mindset that, hey, I might not get this job, but I'm going to meet Chris. 30:58.600 --> 31:06.831 [SPEAKER_00]: He has armificatty and Chris might know someone that can open the door 31:06.811 --> 31:10.014 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's different ways to manipulate and think about it. 31:10.355 --> 31:28.975 [SPEAKER_00]: Now the gap, one of the biggest gaps that I see in higher it, and one thing I can say is great about Americans that's up in there is that the chair and when we talked, he was just saying, hey, this is how we've looked at sub-security at our school at American University. 31:29.496 --> 31:30.777 [SPEAKER_00]: I want you to come in. 31:30.757 --> 31:37.866 [SPEAKER_00]: And almost like full autonomy, he didn't say it per se, but he gave me full autonomy to teach a class how I wanted to. 31:38.487 --> 31:42.452 [SPEAKER_00]: And to think about being younger, we understand a younger generation. 31:42.973 --> 31:44.395 [SPEAKER_00]: So we know how to talk to them. 31:44.415 --> 31:45.376 [SPEAKER_00]: We know what they want. 31:45.416 --> 31:46.457 [SPEAKER_00]: We know what they're looking for. 31:46.978 --> 31:49.822 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm a stake in tidbits from people that I learned before me. 31:50.162 --> 31:53.967 [SPEAKER_00]: And even in younger generation, I'm just trying to reformulate a better class for new. 31:54.448 --> 31:57.912 [SPEAKER_00]: Because like you said, you don't need to go to 31:57.892 --> 32:00.495 [SPEAKER_00]: But there might be a company that want to see that degree. 32:00.935 --> 32:03.277 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you don't have that degree, it's like, man. 32:03.397 --> 32:10.364 [SPEAKER_01]: And then another thing, too, some professors, not saying you are anybody else, they abuse sometimes students as competition. 32:10.805 --> 32:13.628 [SPEAKER_01]: So they click, I didn't even know about a class in college. 32:13.768 --> 32:20.134 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, or how to properly navigate, or, you know, again, Congress doesn't want to teach you how to beat. 32:20.154 --> 32:22.196 [SPEAKER_01]: Once you get in the field, that's a different beast, man. 32:22.236 --> 32:26.160 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I know you prepare them, but the main question is, 32:27.777 --> 32:36.668 [SPEAKER_01]: How is it, what does it want to do with professors also having to have a job in the field and then not getting them in the proper information? 32:36.708 --> 32:40.833 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think college should be more of a mentorship for students to get into the field? 32:41.414 --> 32:41.814 [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely. 32:42.075 --> 32:42.415 [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely. 32:42.455 --> 32:43.236 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad you said that. 32:43.657 --> 32:50.766 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's one of the reasons why I had you and your friends come in because I'm like, look, you all, you might not understand what I'm saying. 32:50.866 --> 32:52.688 [SPEAKER_00]: You might not believe me, but you know what? 32:52.668 --> 32:55.552 [SPEAKER_00]: It's okay, I could bring professional and shoes in. 32:55.852 --> 33:00.038 [SPEAKER_00]: I could bring ISS sodas when I let you know how to go through the eight to eight to a process. 33:00.199 --> 33:01.000 [SPEAKER_00]: What is RMF? 33:01.120 --> 33:02.221 [SPEAKER_00]: Why is it important? 33:02.241 --> 33:03.223 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to bring Jeffrey in. 33:03.263 --> 33:05.766 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to let you know about database engineer. 33:05.786 --> 33:07.208 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to bring a sauce to win as well. 33:07.229 --> 33:10.673 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to come in talking about information security, cybersecurity, security. 33:11.114 --> 33:18.945 [SPEAKER_00]: So if they can't learn for me and what I'm saying and if they can't learn from you and what you and your colleagues are coming, you got to look in the mirror. 33:18.925 --> 33:34.183 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to look in the mirror man like you have to look in the mirror and and that's one of the biggest things to is you want to make sure you you give them the opportunity to succeed And I can get up there and re-slides all day, but if I'm not being practical if I'm not I'm not 33:34.737 --> 33:52.847 [SPEAKER_00]: explained enough not practicing what I'm preaching did not go to listen to me so that's why I'm I'm bringing people in and I'm mixing it up I'm bringing the the TED talk thing to the class I call the cyber talk but it's more so for them this for your benefit because I don't look at them as my competition 33:52.827 --> 33:58.115 [SPEAKER_00]: I look at them as my equal and I think that's one of the reasons why I have a great relationship with my students. 33:58.255 --> 34:03.743 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, hey, you can come top to me even in the class that there's something that I'm saying is incorrect. 34:03.763 --> 34:05.105 [SPEAKER_00]: Now you know it's incorrect. 34:05.125 --> 34:05.686 [SPEAKER_00]: Raise your hand. 34:06.547 --> 34:07.408 [SPEAKER_00]: I will not get mad. 34:08.110 --> 34:08.791 [SPEAKER_00]: Come on up here. 34:09.111 --> 34:10.153 [SPEAKER_00]: Let us know what's going on. 34:10.173 --> 34:13.598 [SPEAKER_00]: And then after class, I'm gonna ask you, hey, can you help me out with X, Y, and Z? 34:13.978 --> 34:15.220 [SPEAKER_00]: Because we don't know everything. 34:15.581 --> 34:17.744 [SPEAKER_01]: So you just doesn't know, hey, we need the same level. 34:17.844 --> 34:18.585 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I like it. 34:18.605 --> 34:21.349 [SPEAKER_01]: Some professors are like, well, 34:22.004 --> 34:38.410 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say that's so unedified, okay, so it can help and it came, but I'm like how you take a different of a different round, talk to the students and build a rapport with them so they can know what is, but again, there was this past where I was listening to, uh, 34:38.474 --> 34:59.757 [SPEAKER_01]: at a church and he was um he had different things on he had like uh I think had a mole had a cap on he was in crazy and he was walking by people to say hey you look crazy you look crazy but sometimes like you would just saying like if you get them all the information at some point you look crazy you need to look yourself in a marina take on that stuff all up you pick right 34:59.956 --> 35:18.825 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and it's like self accountability is big and I'm always always constantly trying to hold myself accountable and prior to the lessons, I'm think like, hey, are the students going to understand this and there's times I'm surveying the classroom, I'm like, oh, man, my message did not resonate with this student. 35:18.805 --> 35:19.486 [SPEAKER_00]: but it's okay. 35:19.506 --> 35:20.989 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me go ahead and say this to an email. 35:21.009 --> 35:22.772 [SPEAKER_00]: I say, hey, is there anything that you need? 35:23.092 --> 35:24.455 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I provide a business to you? 35:24.575 --> 35:25.556 [SPEAKER_00]: I say that every class. 35:25.596 --> 35:28.601 [SPEAKER_00]: There's something that is not resonating for me. 35:28.742 --> 35:29.403 [SPEAKER_00]: Just let me know. 35:30.004 --> 35:31.927 [SPEAKER_00]: Because close mouth don't get that. 35:32.448 --> 35:35.072 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're not telling me was going, oh, I'm not a mile reader. 35:35.934 --> 35:37.436 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, I'm not, I'm not this Cleo. 35:37.456 --> 35:40.562 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, a lot of, but you can't, I can't reach your mind. 35:40.942 --> 35:41.543 [SPEAKER_00]: Help me out. 35:41.643 --> 35:42.685 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's the thing. 35:42.805 --> 35:43.767 [SPEAKER_00]: Just help me. 35:43.898 --> 35:47.527 [SPEAKER_01]: So back to the kind of education system, especially higher aid. 35:48.029 --> 35:56.170 [SPEAKER_01]: I see that some universities are starting to advocate with putting a security fund or like adding into the degree program, and we should talk on that. 35:56.420 --> 35:56.880 [SPEAKER_00]: I love it. 35:57.041 --> 35:57.441 [SPEAKER_00]: I love it. 35:57.481 --> 36:06.790 [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of like how we were talking about earlier, my hypothetical roadmap to cybersecurity at the end of the roadmap, or your degree, if you want a security plus. 36:06.810 --> 36:12.376 [SPEAKER_00]: Your first 30 days, or your first 10 or 15 days, what's required to get the security capacity plus? 36:12.676 --> 36:13.417 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's an outline. 36:13.717 --> 36:16.960 [SPEAKER_00]: How can I implement it after our implement it, can I put it in place? 36:17.080 --> 36:25.228 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's excellent, and to your point about security plus, the class I'm teaching in the spring, we're going straight from the security plus outline. 36:25.208 --> 36:34.362 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's great because I want them to be able to to go take the exam after the class, and then if they want an internship, say, hey, here's my security plus cert. 36:34.863 --> 36:36.805 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you accept me as an intern? 36:36.866 --> 36:49.805 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's great because you want to implement what the industry is, you know, it's requiring because of not then why am I paying all this money to calm down and sit down to listen to a lecture that's not being truthful. 36:50.005 --> 36:53.190 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I try to do with, man, I'm 36:53.626 --> 36:59.154 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's the same way with business professors trying to teach you how to make money, I'm not a man. 36:59.314 --> 37:01.277 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I ever did it. 37:01.397 --> 37:05.142 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I'm learning YouTube, but I do what you said. 37:05.302 --> 37:08.387 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, they're up there broke and they can sell you how that, you know? 37:08.727 --> 37:11.031 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you are 100,000 laws and that's just like me. 37:11.051 --> 37:13.013 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, can you help me? 37:13.394 --> 37:16.979 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I'm like what I teach is like, I really still work in the fields. 37:17.660 --> 37:18.321 [SPEAKER_01]: Can't tell me. 37:18.761 --> 37:19.903 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what I'm talking about. 37:20.103 --> 37:42.567 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and like in our method categories, so what you're doing, like I said, is authentic, so we can look from experience to say, oh, you know, exactly what you're talking about, and like I told you earlier, before our conversation, I'm like, hey, listen, I took a recent management framework, training back in the day was 38, 54 example, that's for non-GSA employees, the data, the information that you're putting out for example, 37:42.884 --> 37:43.905 [SPEAKER_00]: cause zero. 37:44.306 --> 37:48.212 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's just like you see your worth and you see how important you are. 37:48.352 --> 37:51.356 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's just like you might need me as a professor, but we need you. 37:51.456 --> 37:54.500 [SPEAKER_00]: We need more people like you to help the ecosystem out. 37:54.881 --> 37:55.742 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm blessed, man. 37:56.083 --> 37:56.764 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a little bit here. 37:56.784 --> 37:57.244 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm blessed. 37:57.264 --> 37:57.605 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. 37:57.645 --> 37:59.027 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, no, but I'm serious. 37:59.207 --> 38:01.110 [SPEAKER_00]: It's because it's, it's a truth. 38:01.130 --> 38:03.033 [SPEAKER_00]: And we like the first time he ever talk. 38:03.053 --> 38:07.279 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, hey, let's just have our conversation and we're on a phone like we knew each other for. 38:07.299 --> 38:09.702 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when we first talk, maybe it was an inch like it was me. 38:09.682 --> 38:11.545 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're the same people at this point, man. 38:11.645 --> 38:17.856 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my, man, we're on our talk like we cousins, but this is the thing about is that when you meet genuine people, you want to replicate that. 38:17.956 --> 38:22.244 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just like, man, what you're doing, armificality, man, I almost paid what I didn't pay. 38:22.685 --> 38:26.051 [SPEAKER_00]: My job, I almost paid $4,000 for me to go to that train. 38:26.071 --> 38:28.555 [SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't, I couldn't get it, but see you, I feel like I don't fit in this town. 38:28.715 --> 38:30.398 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't show it to me. 38:30.418 --> 38:33.043 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but no, I'm a serious, so, man, serious. 38:33.183 --> 38:34.305 [SPEAKER_01]: It's important. 38:34.285 --> 38:38.951 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's how I figure students, what is one thing they can misunderstand about cyber security? 38:38.971 --> 38:40.292 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what's the biggest misunderstanding? 38:40.833 --> 38:47.842 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the biggest misunderstanding that students have is that a certification will get you to a job. 38:47.862 --> 38:49.584 [SPEAKER_00]: A certification will not get you to a job. 38:50.044 --> 38:56.192 [SPEAKER_00]: You need to be able to put on your resume that you had training in order to get that certification. 38:56.172 --> 38:57.354 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't just say, here's my start. 38:57.374 --> 38:57.914 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me get a job. 38:57.934 --> 39:07.467 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to make sure that you're able to explain the steps that you took in detail, what you did, what it until, how you, I'm just like telling your story. 39:07.488 --> 39:08.429 [SPEAKER_00]: That's basically what it is. 39:08.729 --> 39:11.333 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to be able to tell your story to help you to get the job? 39:11.974 --> 39:14.417 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's one of the biggest misconceptions. 39:14.437 --> 39:15.899 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I didn't, I didn't know this. 39:15.959 --> 39:17.702 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you know this that, or you've heard about it. 39:18.222 --> 39:20.966 [SPEAKER_00]: There's some search that you can just pay and you can get. 39:20.986 --> 39:21.707 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 39:21.687 --> 39:22.509 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, what? 39:22.890 --> 39:23.251 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 39:23.451 --> 39:30.449 [SPEAKER_01]: They hit you up a link then, like, I didn't get you these surds, and you pay $1,000, but they could not work on your computer and, you know, other than... 39:30.469 --> 39:31.211 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know that. 39:31.231 --> 39:31.512 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. 39:31.762 --> 39:35.847 [SPEAKER_00]: So one of my students told me that, it's all's like, hey, come on to the front of the class. 39:35.867 --> 39:37.449 [SPEAKER_00]: Let us know what you have almost like. 39:38.030 --> 39:40.573 [SPEAKER_00]: Let us give us your white, your white page, your white store. 39:40.714 --> 39:42.456 [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, sorry to go on a tangent. 39:42.476 --> 39:47.543 [SPEAKER_00]: That's one mis, mis, mis, misconception is that any cert will get you to job. 39:47.983 --> 39:49.866 [SPEAKER_00]: It might get you a call bat, which you want to make. 39:49.886 --> 39:51.368 [SPEAKER_00]: You can do it, yes, they can call the bass. 39:51.388 --> 39:52.549 [SPEAKER_01]: This could even give me a job. 39:52.749 --> 40:01.701 [SPEAKER_01]: I've a master's degree in literally, uh, more digital forensics, but it's the same as I remember. 40:01.850 --> 40:08.480 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so, like he was saying, like a sur, even if you're paid for it, it's not going to get on to you anything. 40:08.500 --> 40:23.543 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not, but like you said in my call, you bet, but other than that, or that my ask you a question that might say, hey, we're talking about cybersecurity, what's the cybersecurity triad or what's the foundation of cyber and you're like, you don't know that, but you have this security place? 40:23.563 --> 40:25.646 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't know what's, is the, is the triangle? 40:25.846 --> 40:28.971 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't know what CIS does to, that's the, that's the basis. 40:28.951 --> 40:45.385 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's what happens in these interviews they test you didn't want to make sure that you have it if you don't have it All right, whatever someone got that serve or you only studied to get that serve So that's a big that's one I guess big misconception is that I started to get you a job. 40:45.405 --> 40:46.167 [SPEAKER_00]: It won't get you job 40:46.720 --> 40:50.408 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so like, I know you've been being almost 13 years in your career. 40:50.628 --> 40:59.025 [SPEAKER_01]: It was one thing that you would want to stress to the audience that's trying to get into just cybersecurity as a whole. 40:59.647 --> 41:05.116 [SPEAKER_00]: One thing I would stress to the audience is that there's still a lot of open jobs of cybersecurity. 41:05.737 --> 41:11.067 [SPEAKER_00]: So study, look at information that's readily available to you, that's free. 41:12.008 --> 41:18.820 [SPEAKER_00]: Another thing too, try to find a mentor, try to find someone in that field that you can see yourself in that position. 41:18.800 --> 41:23.745 [SPEAKER_00]: You can find someone that you could talk to and they can tell you, hey, this is how I achieved the serve. 41:23.946 --> 41:27.249 [SPEAKER_00]: But also this is how I was able to go through the system and get the job. 41:27.850 --> 41:31.213 [SPEAKER_00]: So just like opening him up, ask for help, ask for assistance. 41:31.233 --> 41:33.095 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's one of the biggest things. 41:33.115 --> 41:36.139 [SPEAKER_00]: And of course, you have to be have the rule of power to want to do it. 41:36.779 --> 41:42.265 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you was talking to somebody that's feeling stuck, I talked to a lot of people that feel stuck. 41:42.445 --> 41:42.686 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 41:43.206 --> 41:44.908 [SPEAKER_01]: I was stuck at one point. 41:45.445 --> 41:47.647 [SPEAKER_01]: I was applying to like a lot of jobs. 41:47.707 --> 41:49.329 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how many jobs I applied for. 41:49.469 --> 41:52.151 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just kept getting no, no, no, who would you tell? 41:52.452 --> 41:53.132 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it that student? 41:53.753 --> 41:54.634 [SPEAKER_00]: So did you apply for 335? 41:54.754 --> 41:57.376 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you get those better than me knows? 41:58.317 --> 41:59.278 [SPEAKER_01]: I got so many knows. 41:59.378 --> 42:00.719 [SPEAKER_01]: I just woke up in this life. 42:01.280 --> 42:01.961 [SPEAKER_01]: It just was bad. 42:01.981 --> 42:03.042 [SPEAKER_01]: That was depressed, man. 42:03.842 --> 42:08.387 [SPEAKER_01]: That was, I was just like, no, no, no, I was like, man, that's why I could do anything. 42:08.447 --> 42:10.208 [SPEAKER_01]: At this point, I didn't tell no more. 42:10.829 --> 42:14.052 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe probably, like a thousands of times at this point, man. 42:14.032 --> 42:16.117 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, so that's the thing all me. 42:16.178 --> 42:30.775 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm asked because that's the thing is that you have to get you have to get comfortable to a 30 cent with rejection because once you're able to get comfortable with rejection Okay, what do I need to do differently to get a guess on this job application? 42:30.755 --> 42:32.337 [SPEAKER_00]: So do I need to study more? 42:32.738 --> 42:34.460 [SPEAKER_00]: Do I need to alter my resume more? 42:34.861 --> 42:39.347 [SPEAKER_00]: Do I need to talk to a recruiter that might know someone that could help me bridge to get? 42:39.367 --> 42:44.053 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's almost just like you have to go through these hoops in order to get to where you want to go. 42:44.514 --> 42:46.536 [SPEAKER_00]: But then you have to take the end result. 42:46.556 --> 42:50.782 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to, if you want to get the job, go through extreme measures to get the job. 42:51.423 --> 42:52.705 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you've got to do extreme. 42:52.745 --> 42:53.826 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't introduced. 42:54.160 --> 42:57.063 [SPEAKER_01]: the top of the top in the tech industry. 42:57.684 --> 43:02.449 [SPEAKER_01]: And from talking to him, I'm just keep hearing the same thing by any means necessary. 43:03.210 --> 43:12.941 [SPEAKER_01]: So they, for them to get to the six figures to them, even now, some of the people that I talk to in this podcast like, you have no idea how much they were. 43:12.981 --> 43:14.422 [SPEAKER_01]: They'd be up all night, you know? 43:14.442 --> 43:16.324 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm surprised that you're losing the hair like me, you know? 43:17.005 --> 43:18.126 [SPEAKER_01]: Smell, you still got it, man. 43:18.146 --> 43:18.707 [SPEAKER_01]: You still got it. 43:18.827 --> 43:24.133 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't want nothing to say with you. 43:24.974 --> 43:25.495 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm limit. 43:25.675 --> 43:27.357 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to admit it. 43:27.377 --> 43:34.386 [SPEAKER_01]: Nah, okay, but, okay, so for if you were gonna restart your career in his 2026, and what would you do? 43:36.409 --> 43:41.075 [SPEAKER_00]: If I wasn't gonna restart my career, I don't. 43:41.095 --> 43:45.160 [SPEAKER_00]: I probably, I notice it sounds, I might sound different. 43:45.713 --> 43:49.357 [SPEAKER_00]: I would go on the same journey that I've already had. 43:49.597 --> 43:50.037 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you okay? 43:50.118 --> 43:50.698 [SPEAKER_01]: Where's he there? 43:51.179 --> 43:58.846 [SPEAKER_00]: Because if had I not, for example, I had I not received $335, I wouldn't be in a position that I am now. 43:59.387 --> 44:00.128 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I love that. 44:00.148 --> 44:00.929 [SPEAKER_00]: So you would all agree? 44:01.069 --> 44:02.030 [SPEAKER_00]: I would do it all over again. 44:02.390 --> 44:06.895 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't, I don't look at like this happened bad experiences. 44:07.075 --> 44:08.336 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just what you take from it. 44:08.877 --> 44:12.160 [SPEAKER_00]: So again, all those knows, then I was, I was, 44:12.140 --> 44:12.761 [SPEAKER_00]: disappointed. 44:13.261 --> 44:16.065 [SPEAKER_00]: But it lit a fire, Amy, I'm like, you know what? 44:16.466 --> 44:20.892 [SPEAKER_00]: I became obsessed with trying to figure out how can I get this job. 44:21.472 --> 44:25.978 [SPEAKER_00]: And once someone told me what I needed to do, I was like, oh, that's not what you need to do. 44:25.998 --> 44:27.520 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me go ahead and get this serve. 44:27.540 --> 44:30.524 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm serious and I can show you the proof in the 12 must stand. 44:30.925 --> 44:31.866 [SPEAKER_00]: I got security plus. 44:31.926 --> 44:32.847 [SPEAKER_00]: I got CCNA. 44:33.208 --> 44:33.749 [SPEAKER_00]: I got it. 44:33.969 --> 44:37.454 [SPEAKER_00]: It will be three. 44:37.474 --> 44:38.535 [SPEAKER_00]: It was 44:38.515 --> 44:44.273 [SPEAKER_00]: But she told me if you want to get the job for this position that she want, you need those certs. 44:45.400 --> 44:47.043 [SPEAKER_00]: But I had to do it, I had to do it. 44:47.063 --> 44:55.697 [SPEAKER_00]: So I just started studying, like you said, I didn't, I didn't put in the hours at other people did, but I'm stand up throughout the night, four or five of the year, I'm gonna study. 44:55.737 --> 44:57.580 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to get that, I'm trying to get that, sir. 44:57.860 --> 44:59.122 [SPEAKER_00]: My wife was like, why don't you go to sleep? 44:59.162 --> 45:02.307 [SPEAKER_00]: I said not, I need to get this job, I need to get that job. 45:02.528 --> 45:08.978 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a mindset, but I wouldn't change anything because I just think that, you know, 45:08.958 --> 45:29.363 [SPEAKER_00]: your your fears can handle your growth and it always looked at my mom used to always something God puts the best things on the other side of the hill so you got a climb already here but you got to go through it and I'm like here I am you know I'm I'm a working progress but man I would I would do it again now I probably would have invested in Bitcoin back at a say 45:29.343 --> 45:30.726 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's an edit quote. 45:31.106 --> 45:34.794 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not too late though, but I got to find something or cool into something. 45:34.994 --> 45:36.096 [SPEAKER_00]: Why, what, what find something? 45:36.136 --> 45:37.158 [SPEAKER_00]: What find something? 45:37.178 --> 45:38.441 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I wouldn't change anything. 45:38.541 --> 45:39.302 [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I wouldn't. 45:39.322 --> 45:43.310 [SPEAKER_00]: Just because it, it's helped me to, to be the, the person I am today. 45:43.450 --> 45:46.356 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's just coming to grasp with that. 45:46.825 --> 45:54.479 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, sometimes with me, like, you know, I learn from emulating other people, you know, like emulating, you know, getting better things like that. 45:54.820 --> 46:03.977 [SPEAKER_01]: So the same way, like I would say the same thing, like, I took the unconventional, sometimes I take the, I notice in my life I take the hardest way to do stuff. 46:04.198 --> 46:05.220 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're preaching a more. 46:05.460 --> 46:09.087 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I, I wouldn't change anything either, because, like, 46:10.028 --> 46:38.162 [SPEAKER_01]: With God, you know, God put you like said same thing like God wants you to like Moses We and my church we talking about Exodus Moses went to God and was like And no God wants Moses and told him I want you to do this and Moses coming in various cues like hey What if they would what if they don't believe me and it got to the point where he literally said Hey, I I'm not the one and he just told me I am but you're gonna go do this, you know what I'm saying But the point is 46:38.513 --> 46:40.015 [SPEAKER_01]: he knew what he could have became. 46:40.116 --> 46:44.403 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was still keep taking the same journey that I'm on all those. 46:44.423 --> 46:45.905 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you never know what you want to go. 46:45.925 --> 46:49.571 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't know what I'll be interviewing people and cybersecurity in tech. 46:49.591 --> 46:51.535 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I used to be a real introer, you know? 46:51.555 --> 46:51.935 [SPEAKER_00]: Citizen. 46:52.096 --> 46:53.378 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh, our method academy. 46:53.598 --> 46:57.304 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you have this huge presence, huge following, people come to you for information. 46:57.344 --> 46:58.446 [SPEAKER_00]: So like you said, 46:58.426 --> 46:59.087 [SPEAKER_00]: Who knows? 46:59.268 --> 47:12.655 [SPEAKER_00]: You might not have been had this pot from it you have today like you're reaching thousands of people just Estantaneously you press submit people are going to see an information you have arm efficacy To me here's how to secure your system people are going to see that. 47:12.675 --> 47:14.519 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be going to keep repulsing it. 47:14.880 --> 47:18.848 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm showing my cover Here's I hey look at that 47:19.283 --> 47:19.824 [SPEAKER_00]: Look at that. 47:20.625 --> 47:21.306 [SPEAKER_00]: What did I say? 47:21.807 --> 47:22.268 [SPEAKER_00]: Look at that. 47:22.989 --> 47:30.963 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, but I like the analogy too, because like you said you brought you brought Moses and God and also like my mom said too as well. 47:31.003 --> 47:34.569 [SPEAKER_00]: God puts the best things on the other side of the hill. 47:34.629 --> 47:35.751 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm like, man. 47:35.771 --> 47:36.893 [SPEAKER_00]: I got a clown in this room. 47:36.913 --> 47:37.414 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm over there. 47:37.534 --> 47:38.656 [SPEAKER_00]: I got a clown in this hill. 47:39.197 --> 47:41.982 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm climbing this hill rejection rejection rejection rejection. 47:42.002 --> 47:42.202 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god. 47:42.243 --> 47:42.523 [SPEAKER_00]: What for? 47:42.925 --> 48:00.192 [SPEAKER_00]: Which actually would be jackshank, but towards the end is just like you see light and it's on up Well, actually I see light and darkness something but so you see light at end and tell them I said What that's you hey me I'm I'm gonna say a lie a little bit, but it's it's stay a consistent cuz this is Cito So so that's why can you uh tell me like we're gonna order it's mind you 48:00.745 --> 48:09.876 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm definitely I'm gonna leave in and I'm very actively on that and I can thank you for that because I'm trying to build on my personal brand and just let people know. 48:09.996 --> 48:14.742 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to talk to me about researching any information I'm very LinkedIn. 48:15.122 --> 48:20.909 [SPEAKER_00]: I have my Google scholar page as well and I'll have more journals that are forthcoming in the future as well. 48:21.290 --> 48:25.014 [SPEAKER_00]: So LinkedIn and Google scholar are the best, the best places to find me. 48:25.034 --> 48:25.875 [SPEAKER_00]: And I do respond. 48:26.092 --> 48:30.759 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and make sure you check him out, you know, he responds, he gave you the information. 48:30.919 --> 48:36.027 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to talk to him in, you know, just reach out to Antsman on LinkedIn, he's a good, he's a good resource. 48:36.047 --> 48:37.890 [SPEAKER_01]: And he truly cares about everybody. 48:37.950 --> 48:39.873 [SPEAKER_01]: When it comes to cyber security, thank you. 48:39.893 --> 48:43.238 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, so what is one thing you want to lead to audience with? 48:43.418 --> 48:44.359 [SPEAKER_01]: It can be a quote. 48:44.640 --> 48:53.533 [SPEAKER_01]: You can be a one liner, but, you know, just keep mind of audiences just trying to get inside but, or already inside of her, and they just want to stay motivated, keep going. 48:54.205 --> 48:57.751 [SPEAKER_00]: So what I want to tell people is stay focused. 48:57.771 --> 49:05.243 [SPEAKER_00]: So whatever the case may be, you want to get this opportunity, you want to get an artificial intelligence, you want to be an ever-engineer, figure out what your end goal is. 49:05.443 --> 49:10.572 [SPEAKER_00]: If the mayor come up with an action plan and like I mentioned before, it's almost like the three seasons. 49:10.952 --> 49:13.176 [SPEAKER_00]: The pre-season, you figure out. 49:13.156 --> 49:15.441 [SPEAKER_00]: The regular season, you work with those and stuff. 49:15.461 --> 49:17.886 [SPEAKER_00]: You might as you get some kinks and some losses, but you're ready. 49:18.286 --> 49:19.970 [SPEAKER_00]: Then after that, post season. 49:20.431 --> 49:22.876 [SPEAKER_00]: And another thing too is what I'm a big person on quotes. 49:23.217 --> 49:29.249 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a paraphrase and I'm paraphrase and I quote, he who says he can and he who says he can't are both usually right. 49:29.690 --> 49:31.754 [SPEAKER_00]: So you want to make sure that you have that mindset. 49:32.175 --> 49:33.257 [SPEAKER_00]: Always think positive. 49:33.457 --> 49:38.365 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was gonna be positive and even with me, I just be real negative. 49:38.525 --> 49:42.432 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm didn't better now, you know, but it's gonna be positive, man. 49:42.472 --> 49:46.018 [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever you speak out to another is which you become better, you know? 49:46.198 --> 49:46.939 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 49:46.959 --> 49:48.983 [SPEAKER_01]: Or who are you hanging out with, that's which you become. 49:49.363 --> 49:51.787 [SPEAKER_01]: And if it was over or the wrong people, you know what I mean? 49:51.827 --> 49:52.208 [SPEAKER_01]: So... 49:52.188 --> 50:16.465 [SPEAKER_00]: That's who who you hang out with like who you're in a circle is like you might be the fifth person So you just want to make sure that you're around like man people like on a reached out to you I'm like hey, whenever you and Jennifer and a south suit you won't hang out Just let me know because I want to be around people like you all because you up lit me and I can see myself in your position So like you said I'm looking at the grace like you're one of the grace on looking at so I'm just like how can I get to there? 50:16.686 --> 50:18.128 [SPEAKER_00]: But I got to check 50:18.108 --> 50:24.559 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, but no, but seriously though like the child life I thought probably like Jordan man On a thousand next year, you know, you've had money. 50:24.940 --> 50:27.845 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah So now I appreciate you. 50:27.865 --> 50:30.410 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm 12 for coming on this podcast especially on a Saturday night. 50:30.430 --> 50:34.517 [SPEAKER_01]: You could have been no in anything So I appreciate you coming on like you give me the knowledge. 50:34.537 --> 50:35.619 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, appreciate him. 50:35.939 --> 50:36.420 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes 50:36.991 --> 50:40.920 [SPEAKER_01]: So for anybody that's watching the Tech World Podcast, I'm your host Chris Farpala. 50:41.260 --> 50:43.646 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember to like the video, subscribe to the channel. 50:44.006 --> 50:46.913 [SPEAKER_01]: Comment down below if you had a different take or what's going on. 50:47.494 --> 50:52.645 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember to check out on metpacademy.io and remember everybody, give 1% better every day. 50:52.946 --> 50:53.467 [SPEAKER_01]: Peace out. 50:53.628 --> 50:54.830 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll see you in the next one. 50:54.850 --> 50:55.692 [SPEAKER_01]: Peace everybody.