[SPEAKER_00]: This is Jockel Podcast number 524 with echo Charles and me, Jockel willing good evening echo good evening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let us be clear about three facts.
[SPEAKER_00]: First all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantrymen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Secondly, the infantrymen always bears the brunt.
[SPEAKER_00]: His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thirdly, the art of the infantrymen is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm.
[SPEAKER_00]: The infantrymen has to use initiative and intelligence in almost every step.
[SPEAKER_00]: He moves every action he takes on the battlefield.
[SPEAKER_00]: We ought therefore to put our men of best intelligence and endurance into the infantry.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that right there is a quote from Field Marshal Archibald Wavel.
[SPEAKER_00]: he's an Earl and the article was in the London Times in 1945 the article was titled In Praise of Infantry and Archibald Wavel was the son of a major general, a major general in the British Army that fought in the Second Boor war commanded Johannesburg after its capture.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... waivell went then went to the royal military college and sandhurst he was commissioned in nineteen o' one as a second lieutenant in the black watch he himself fought in the blue or so he's i guess he was working for his dad at some point um... then he was off to india he fought in the bizarre valley campaign which was a punitive expedition against a tribe on the north west frontier and punitive expeditions don't
[SPEAKER_00]: Not quite politically correct evolutions, they don't not consider very politically correct evolutions.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is what it sounds like.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a punitive, like someone in some tribe does something to let's say the colonialists and then they go and just punish that group.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they could be pretty devastating.
[SPEAKER_00]: He then went to staff college, spent a year as a military observer with a Russian army,
[SPEAKER_00]: working as a staff officer when World War I began wounded at the second battle of E praise, lost his left eye, awarded the military cross, but stayed in, worked as a staff officer, 34 years old, became a general one of the youngest generals in the British army, part of the Egyptian expeditionary force until the war was over and then between wars, he kind of continued with his military career,
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, 1937, he was a general officer commanding of British forces in Palestine and transjordan fought against the insurgents there, continued various assignments in the Middle East, increased in the Balkans, and then when World War II kicked off, he went through a bunch of different assignments, starting the Middle East, went to Africa, fighting in Somali land,
[SPEAKER_00]: Eritrea, Mogadishu, Libya, eventually was there when they withdrew troops from Somali land.
[SPEAKER_00]: And was part of that push.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the leaders in the push into Greece and Crete 1941, which didn't work out well, fought early battles against Rahmal in 1941, which also didn't work out well.
[SPEAKER_00]: The sign is the commander in chief of India and was responsible for the defensive southeast age of from Japan and also the defense of Burma, was preparing for long-range operations behind Japanese lines when the war ended.
[SPEAKER_00]: He stayed in India until 1947, returned to England, served as Lord Lieutenant of the County of London, and thankfully he wrote
[SPEAKER_00]: about military campaigns, wrote about military history and wrote about military leadership, and fortunately for us in 1953, they put together a little compilation of his works, and this little book is called soldiers and soldiering.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to take a look some of the lessons he got from this pretty, pretty long and varied military career with some wins and losses, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's get into it field marshal Earl.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's an Earl.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought his first name was Earl when I first started reading about him, but that's his title.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what do you know what that is?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a bunch of different titles in the British royalty cast system, and this is one of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like Lord.
[SPEAKER_00]: Night.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, night is would be subordinate.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think to Earl.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Earl is one of the titles that you can get Isn't there like count?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like this is in the count genre.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm married to a Brit I have time to research it with her because plus she gets really hyped up when she starts talking about
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, British activities, royalty activities, so this, but this is a book, it's one of those books where you read and you go, dang, that's a good way of thinking about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he thinks that too, or oh, that's an angle I didn't think of, so let's get it into it fast forward a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not proposing to deliver.
[SPEAKER_00]: to you an apology for generals, but to explain the qualities necessary for a general and the conditions which he has to exercise his calling.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's just talking about what are the qualities that it takes to make a good general.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he read a bunch of, he says I read a bunch of expeditions from various writers about the virtues, military, or otherwise that are, you know, considered to be required.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he ends up landing on Socrates and Socrates said, the general must know how to get his men, their rations and every other kind of stores needed for war.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the opener.
[SPEAKER_00]: Opening thing, you need to be able to feed your people.
[SPEAKER_00]: He must have imagination to originate plans, practical sense, and energy to carry them through.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is an interesting topic, this energy thing, energy energy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Ran, all right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: She says, she says, energy quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And just say it multiple times like I just did energy energy he must be observant Untiring shrewd and this is where we get into some just he's gonna rattle off some dichotomies here kindly and cruel Simple and crafty a watchman and a robber
[SPEAKER_00]: lavish and miserly isn't this like this is the little dichotomies of leadership right here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Generous and stingy, rash and conservative.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is this is Socrates rattling off dichotomies that a leader has to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: All these and many other qualities natural and acquired he must have, he should also, as a matter of course, know his tactics for disorderly mob is no more an army than a heap of building materials as a house, in the facts.
[SPEAKER_00]: He goes on a little bit here, but even this definition of Socrates does not to my mind emphasize sufficiently what I hold to be the first essential of a general.
[SPEAKER_00]: the quality of robustness, the ability to stand the shocks of war.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is for him is the number one quality and this is, man, when you look back at life, your life and people around you and you think about how well did they stand the shocks of life or war?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty telling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably this factored not applies much in Socrates times people do not then suffer from what is now elegantly known as the jitters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're right because in Socrates times they weren't sitting in a trench waiting to die for months on edge from a overhead fire indirect fire
[SPEAKER_00]: I can perhaps best explain what I mean by robustness, by a physical illustration.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember long ago when I was a very young officer being told by a mountain gunner friend that whenever in the old days a new design of a mountain gun was submitted to the artillery committee, that August body had taken it to the top of a tower, some hundred feet high, and then dropped it to the ground.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it was still capable of functioning, it was given further trial.
[SPEAKER_00]: If not, it was rejected as flimsy.
[SPEAKER_00]: The committee reasoned that mules and mountain guns might easily fall down the hillside and must be made capable of surviving so trivial on this adventure.
[SPEAKER_00]: On similar grounds, rifles and automatic weapons submitted to the Small Arms Committee, I believe, are buried in mud for 48 hours or so before being tested for their rapid firing capabilities.
[SPEAKER_00]: The necessity for such a test was very aptly illustrated in the late war when the original Canadian contingent arrived in France armed with the Ross rifle, a weapon which had shown its superior qualities in target shooting at the bizbly ranges in peace.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the mud of the trenches, it was found to jam after a very few rounds and after a short experience of the weapon Unders active service conditions.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Canadian soldier refused to have anything to do with it and insisted on being armed with the British rifle So you're gonna use something combat.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to test it put it in mud shoot it and I got to see a bunch of these tests happen with some of the Various weapons we have to tuck the capy army through all that stuff But that's what they do they take military weapons and there's certain
[SPEAKER_00]: Tests that you have to put them through and one of them is like bearing them in mud freezing them put them in water pulling them back out Letting them rust see how much rust they can take for you just all these things how many rounds can they shoot without jam They do all these kind of things because they got to be robust and what he's saying it's the same thing for a general going to the book
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the mind of the general in war is buried, not merely for 48 hours, but for days and weeks, in the mud and sand of unreliable information and uncertain factors.
[SPEAKER_00]: And may at any time receive from an unsuspected move of the enemy and unforeseen accident or a treacherous turn in the weather, a bump equivalent to a drop of at least 100 feet onto something hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Delicate mechanisms is delicate mechanisms is of little use in war, and this applies to the mind of the commander as well to his body to the spirit of an army as well as to the weapons and instruments with which it is equipped all material of war including the general must have a certain solidity
[SPEAKER_00]: a high margin over the normal breaking strain.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is often said that the British War material is unnecessarily solid and the same possibly is apt to be true of their generals, but we are certainly right to leave a good margin.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I, you know, it's one of those questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where does that come from?
[SPEAKER_00]: Where do you get that solidity as a human being?
[SPEAKER_00]: Does it come from your upbringing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it something that you're born with?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it a little bit of both?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you a nine-year-old that's in wrestling practice, gutting it out every single day?
[SPEAKER_00]: You just get tougher?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you home alone a lot?
[SPEAKER_00]: And you've got to figure out how to fend for yourself?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what's going on in your childhood?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or,
[SPEAKER_00]: is it just like, oh, this is just who you are.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you don't get this, this is one of those things that who knows, maybe we'll never know, but basic seal training.
[SPEAKER_00]: There'll be a guy that grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he'll make it through, had a very nice little easy life made it through and some other guy that grew up in the ghetto would or it out on the farm or in some really rugged environment and quit and the same and both some guys that are rich quit or some guys that grew up on the SilverSpoon quit, some guys that grew up really tough make it so you just don't know what's going to happen to where has it come from, we don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, I can tell you, we can find out who's got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We might not know where it comes from, but we can find out who's got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is sometimes argued whether war is art or science.
[SPEAKER_00]: I noted that the invitation to me to deliver these lectures, I was to choose some branch of the science of war.
[SPEAKER_00]: Perhaps I've been lecturing at a rival university it might have been termed the art of war.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know no, I know of no branch of art or science,
[SPEAKER_00]: in which rivals are at liberty to throw stones at the artist or scientists to steal his tools and destroy his materials while he is working always against time on his picture or statue or experiment.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it art or science?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I never say anybody trying to murder the scientist or the artist while they're working on their experiment or working on a piece of art.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's like, dude, this is a totally different thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Under such conditions, how many of the great masterpieces of art or discoveries of science would have been produced?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, the civil comparison to war must be that of a game.
[SPEAKER_00]: A very rough and dirty game for which a robust body and mind are essential.
[SPEAKER_00]: The general is dealing with men's lives and must have a certain mental robustness to stand the strain of this responsibility.
[SPEAKER_00]: How great that strain is.
[SPEAKER_00]: You may judge by the sudden deaths of many of the commanders of the late war.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you read military history, take note of the failures due to lack of this quality of robustness.
[SPEAKER_00]: I say, I propose to say a few words about the physical attributes of a general.
[SPEAKER_00]: Courage, health, and youth.
[SPEAKER_00]: personal appearance we need not worry about.
[SPEAKER_00]: An imposing presence can be a most useful asset, but good generals as the story of good race horses run in all shapes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can look like anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Physical courage is not so essential, a factor in reaching high rank as it was in the old days of close range fighting, but it still is a very considerable importance today in determining the degree of risk a commander will take to see for himself what is going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: and in mechanized warfare, we may again see the general leading his troops almost in the front of the fighting or possibly reconordering and commanding from the air.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, he's saying, look, physically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, it's good to have that big physical presence, but it's not a necessity.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then courage, good to have, sure, but it's different now that you're not like charging across the battlefield with a sword.
[SPEAKER_00]: an example of the extent to which generals came under fire in the old days, you may like to know that at Marble's assault on Shellenberg during the blame campaign, which is like the 1700s, six lieutenant generals were killed and five wounded in the Allied army while the 1500 British casualties at the action included four major generals and 28 brigadiers or lieutenant kernels.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's some serious sacrifice from the head shed there.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a good story told about of one of Napoleon's marshals, La Fibre, the gallon old soldier who became Duke of Danzig, a civilian friend, was once envying him at his house, and the decorations and other awards he had.
[SPEAKER_00]: And last the old marshal got tired of it and said to him, well, if you want all these things come out to my garden and let me have 10 shots at you at 40 paces.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you survive, I'll hand over to you, my house and everything in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: His friend, perhaps naturally objected.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, said the old man, the old Marshall, but remember that I had several hundred shots fire at me at that range before I got all these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Courage, physical, and moral, a general undoubtedly must have, Voltaire praises in marble, that calm courage in the midst of tumult, that serenity of soul in danger, which is the greatest gift.
[SPEAKER_00]: nature of nature for command.
[SPEAKER_00]: So stay in calm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stay in calm.
[SPEAKER_00]: The greatest gift you can have is to be able to stay calm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that wild?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's wild to think that people
[SPEAKER_00]: are going to be in a senior leadership position and still have to contend with keeping their emotions under control.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of wild for me to think about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: How much of that do you think is, I guess it's not what I'm knowing, but how much of that do you think is like them or are people thinking that it's like cool?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is a section where he talks about what people think of it, and certainly it can be seen as a tool that you can use.
[SPEAKER_00]: But usually it's a tool for
[SPEAKER_00]: The week you mess something up like if I've got if I've got a like below my blues my temper and and I will say like calculated loss of temper You know is obviously do I recommend it?
[SPEAKER_00]: No have I had to use that yes
[SPEAKER_00]: probably three times, yeah, that's, you know, if I include my kids, maybe like, yeah, maybe like five times, if I include like my kids or I had to be like, oh yeah, they don't think this is a big deal, and you have to like, escalate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, well, I wouldn't maybe not quite call it like losing my temper, but at least escalate where they feel like some emotion, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, but that's like five times in the last, like, I don't know, how old am I 54?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is, I mean, this is a long, long time, bro.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's kind of how it has to be, otherwise, because it loses its effectiveness pretty quick.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of almost like irony in a way where, well, when you do it, it's kind of like, it can be effective.
[SPEAKER_01]: You do it again, and it's like 50% as effective.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you do it again, 10% effective, you keep doing it in zero.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, yes, I agree with you, but also, and I agree with what you're saying, but also what you're not saying is that there's also a different effect that can happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you come and present me with something, and I yell at you, are you going to present me with something again?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not.
[SPEAKER_00]: So eventually you just you just you're not going to present anything you're not going to take an initiative You're just going to be a robot that's just trying to stay out of trouble.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it has an effect Maybe the first time you're right like it has an effect like oh dang chocolate serious about this I better get that I've made make that happen But then I do it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I do it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not only is the effect diminished.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's diminishing to have the impact that I wanted but it's having a different impact
[SPEAKER_00]: And the impact that it's having is just like you're not looking to, like, even engaging.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So being calm, and by the way, when I said he talks about this a little bit, this kind of contradicts that.
[SPEAKER_00]: because he talks a little bit more positively than I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, a lot more positive than I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't think losing your temper is good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's weak.
[SPEAKER_00]: Back to the book here.
[SPEAKER_00]: A later military writer who had no great admiration for Joffra,
[SPEAKER_00]: was compelled to admit that his stolen, calm, and obstinate determination in the darkest days of the retreat had an influence which offset many of the grave strategic blunders which he committed.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You ever seen somebody do something like stupid but then they act cool and they kind of get away with it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what do you mean like they play it off cool?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, they play it off.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you even see someone, you know, uh, like fall down and like roll out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: and you don't freak out, even when you make a mistake, you're like, yeah, you know what, going pull back and we'll start moving this direction.
[SPEAKER_00]: As opposed to like, I don't know what's going on, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Health in a general is of course most important.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, health is most important, but it is a relative quality only.
[SPEAKER_00]: We would, all of us, I imagine, sooner have Napoleon's sick on our side than many of his opponents hold.
[SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: A great spirit can rule in a frail body.
[SPEAKER_00]: As Wolf and others have shown us, Marborough, during his great campaigns, would have been plowed by most modern medical boards.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next comes the vexed question of age, and he goes through talking about some of these people, Caesar and Cromwell began their serious soldiering when they were well over the age of 40.
[SPEAKER_00]: Marburl was 61 at the time of his most admired maneuver.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tren's last campaign at the age of 63 is said to be as bold as St. Best.
[SPEAKER_00]: Multi-key the most competent of the modern's made his name at the age of 66.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bro, I got I got room I got room And confirmed his reputation at 70 and by this is the old days, bro These guys work like like on the path These guys work on the good nutrition, but you know, they probably weren't even much a process junk either right and plus they were living on the field at least a little bit
[SPEAKER_00]: Roberts was 67 when he went out to South Africa after our first disastrous defeats and restored the situation by surrounding the Boer Army at Paradeburg and capturing Blomfantane and Pretoria.
[SPEAKER_00]: Folks at 67 still possessed energy and vitality and greater agility.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's basically rattling off a bunch of people that got it done when they were in their 60s and even 70s.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you think about that, if you think about it for a second, it actually doesn't come as that big of a surprise, because remember when you were like, let's say, 2020, 2021, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: This idea of you being 40, we'll say, if you really rewind your mind and think of what was I thinking at that time, the age of 40 is completely over the hill, completely think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I felt when I was like, 1920 or so, I thought 40 is like, yeah, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I really pray that I've done everything that I set out to because that 40 year you might as well Game over.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's grandparents age.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not doing nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even when you see older people, I don't know, to me, it's like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed like their life is kind of like an over-the-hill life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not having fun out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not exploring new things, kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then when you get to 40,
[SPEAKER_01]: You're kind of like, oh, this is kind of where it mature life begins, like the real stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other stuff was more like elementary school kind of we just learned it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the thing that I always think back to is that interview with Kasparov, the chess player, when Rogan asked him if he could beat or how he would do against Magnus Carlson.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said he would lose.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he gave two reasons the first reason was because Magnus Carlson got to start
[SPEAKER_00]: knowing all these other chess moves that had happened in the last 50 years, you get those delivered to you, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like suggests you're like, if you went back to in, if you went back with a buggy choke to 1990, you'd be tapping a lot of people out.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people, but that right now you wouldn't tap that maybe out with a buggy choke or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Umapod, you pick whatever modern technique.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look what, look what Dean List did.
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: ADCC 2003, you know, just like, oh, I'm just gonna foot lock a bunch of people, I don't know what he'll hook him.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't know what's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but, but today, you just get that he'll hook.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you get that foot lock, you get that 50 50 you get, you get all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you just get a given to you and there's a yeah, there's a lot of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you know even like the smallest in Jesus is a good example but yeah, because There's an element of trial and error, you know that that happens throughout any kind of learning process or whatever But like even think of like the arm bar right like let's say you get in our look
[SPEAKER_01]: and an arm bar back in, oh yeah, you really want to go back, go, you know, 19, when was it, you know, back in the helio Gracie days.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, you want to go back to like the 30s.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then trade you an arm bar like that, but you'll never get the arm bar, because just with all the little details of how to escape the arm bar, real fundamental now, you know, every kind of escape, and all this, and it's like, but yeah, there was no.
[SPEAKER_01]: No knowledge of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's like, no, no, don't do it that way because you can just do this and boom, you have the knowledge right there, you know, so it kind of it does make sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Magnus Carlson was just given all that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Platform he was allowed to operate on was automatically elevated.
[SPEAKER_00]: Same thing with skateboarding, like everyone can do a kick flip now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like a joke.
[SPEAKER_00]: But back in the day, if you could do a kid, like professionals could do a kick flip, amateurs could not, I mean, it didn't last for long, like pretty, once it got out there, but, man, can you like do a kick flip?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, right now, I mean, it might take me some, some cracks, but do you know what, do you know what, do you know what, do you know what, do you know what, I mean, there would, like, when Tony Alva first got four inches of air out of a pool,
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like bro, you know like this the whole world was well, that's the limitation You know what well, I guess this was a professional is gonna be able to go four inches out of a pool You know now guys go like for he can however and Rodney, but Rodney Mullen took the awli
[SPEAKER_00]: And sorry, doing on the ground and then sort of flipping the border on all this other crazy stuff But his but now people just get to see that it's possible and you learn the technique like there's a specific technique Yeah, of where you put your foot when you do a kick flip You gotta put your you know if I'm a goofy foot my foot goes out a little bit further through the ride on the front of the board and then you know That's the way you do it and so and if you just had to learn that by your own It would take forever
[SPEAKER_00]: So, being able to say, oh, here's the move.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's how you do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now listen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is what I would say about your Jitsu.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's 10 things that you have to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say theoretically there's 10 things you have to do to make a move work.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can teach you five of them and the other five.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can teach you where to put your arms, where to hold your grip.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can tell you where to put your weight.
[SPEAKER_00]: but you're gonna have to feel it as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the other five things, you're gonna have to figure out for yourself because it's gonna be a little bit different for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's some things.
[SPEAKER_00]: You ever, you ever, when you're teaching something in Jiu Jitsu and you do it to someone, but you have to kind of do it to everyone in the class because there's no post where they can visually see what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So how are you going to teach that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you can, you can let them feel it as well, but then they've got to try it and they've got to do it back to you and they've got to be like, hey, is this right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You go, well, not really put it a little bit more towards the shoulder.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, that's a little bit better.
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes it's like really hard to transfer the knowledge and you know there's some things in the world that when you do it you have to just you have to get it right one time kind of on your own.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was recently toe in surfing you've heard of this before.
[SPEAKER_00]: course.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'd never done it before.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'd never, I'd never done a wakeboarding either, which is very similar.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, people are talking to me, tell me, like, how to do it?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're giving me clear instructions.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, each time I was doing something, I was making little mistakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I had to feel like, oh, what was that mistake?
[SPEAKER_00]: What was that mistake?
[SPEAKER_00]: And eventually,
[SPEAKER_00]: I got it and then once you get it, you're like, okay, I know how to do this now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's sort of like dropping into a half-pipe on skateboarding or standing up when you're like on a surfboard like the first time you do it you can fall like four or five seven 80 times seven 60 times once you stand up once though.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you can almost immediately stand up again
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's some things that you have to do, you have to learn for yourself, but if someone tells you, okay, when you stand up on your surfboard, here's where you can put your hands, put, you know, here's the way, here's when you're going to do it, like when you feel the the board start to pick up speed on its own, put your hands here, you know, push yourself up, bring your feet up like they can, and then we can do that a couple times on the beach, whereas if I just said, hey, take this board, go out there and stand up on a wave, it would take you a month to even figure out how to catch the wave.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, probably.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to learn the moves from somebody.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy how that there's certain like even writing a bike for example Yeah, like right in a bike is one of those ones where you can never study your way into Writing a bike you got to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to do it percent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but yes But when things are more technical you have to get shown
[SPEAKER_00]: how to do the physical aspects of the movement.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the, you know, the, the wrote, there's like our certain number of wrote memorization of physical movement you can do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then once you have that, then you have to try it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And once again, and we see this all the time, you just see this when, you know, back in pre UFC days,
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm going to throw the whatever combination I learned in Tyquando at you and it's going to cause this reaction.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then when we fight for real bro, you don't react at all like the way the instructor said.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now we have a totally different situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to learn the physical way to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then you have to go and spar.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what's so good about your jitsu is you can take that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can learn the moves and then you can go and spar.
[SPEAKER_00]: you know what we call rolling and you can do that at a hundred percent effort because you can resist me a hundred percent and if I do the move correctly, I can get you still.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what that's the advantage that Magnus Carlson has.
[SPEAKER_00]: He got all of that's knowledge.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was one thing that Cospar said the other thing Cospar said was like, oh plus I'm older now my mind doesn't work as well as it used to and I was like,
[SPEAKER_00]: You've been doing this for longer, you'll win, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like Jiu Jitsu.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this guy is a black belt.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been training for 30 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: This guy is a brown belt.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been training for nine years.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if that brown belt is a badass and he's like fully in the game, yeah, I guess what?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: because it feels like when you get older your sense of competition kind of fades as well like you're less competitive it seems like okay maybe that's you yeah yeah it totally is I'm proud of everybody it feels like there's a certain logic to it too not not necessarily it like sure it's probably physiological you know to imagine but it feels like it's logical as well you know like as you grow up your value systems change
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, yeah, I was gonna say maybe you're competing in a different genre, you're depending in a different game like right now You're more competing in trying to you know be a good dad You know again, are you competing against like your neighbor like oh wait right?
[SPEAKER_00]: She got his kids those presence.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm no no, but I'm saying here you're trying to you know You're you're focused on performance is performance of your duties as a dad as a husband as a business partner
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but and that's I think that's actually that is the sense of competition that I'm talking about competing with other people So you know how like you know Let's say the fundamental like when you're a little kid right especially boys right everything's like a little look eraser and this or that or you know You can throw this rock the far this, you know that you know that sense of coming and then as you get older
[SPEAKER_01]: like let's say we're playing chess right for example me and you when I'm young and you beat me I'm gonna be like I can't wait to like I don't know practice and get you back right because that sends a company when I get older I have so many other things that are more important than me beating chess you seem so and they're not competitive
[SPEAKER_01]: things.
[SPEAKER_01]: The things I just need to focus my mind on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's probably just a reprioritization.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Recognized as like, oh, if someone catches you and you jits you right now, how old are you?
[SPEAKER_00]: 48, 48 year old dude, reflect a wife and kids in a job.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's gonna bother you less than when you were a bounce a single bounce at the bitter end.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're proud of some different things back then.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's what we have to contend with.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I heard some other horrible fact that when you look at people that do great, either creative or scientific,
[SPEAKER_00]: efforts in their lives, it all happens when they're like 25, 28, 30, the even like the big scientists, like they make their big discoveries when they're in that age group.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now there's a whole bunch of reasons for that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They're probably as a whole bunch of reasons for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, then again, we're talking about guys right now that that did their best work at 63 and 67 and 70 and 66.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it can happen, because I'm sure like you, like, what are the chances that someone that's 26?
[SPEAKER_00]: is in a place in their life where they can fully focus their efforts on their art around their science, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They're sleeping in the lab.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't got no one to go home to.
[SPEAKER_00]: They got no bills to pay, you know, so of course they got, but then that person, if they if they made it through those years
[SPEAKER_00]: they got a mortgage.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, even back in the day, they're like trying to provide for their family, they kids sit around and freaking be working on their song.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's shit, amen.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but that being said, still going back to Kaspar off, that mind is humming at probably 30.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when they're like, the good ideas come out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, he goes on to say this book, it is impossible really to give exact values to the fire and boldness of youth as against the judgment and experience of riper years.
[SPEAKER_00]: If the mature mind still has the capacity to conceive and absorb new ideas to withstand unexpected shocks and to put into execution bold and unorthodox designs, it's superior knowledge and judgment will give
[SPEAKER_00]: advantage over the youth.
[SPEAKER_00]: So those are all things to keep in mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: How often does someone that's older, not have the ability to absorb new ideas?
[SPEAKER_00]: How much more difficult is it for them to absorb unexpected shocks?
[SPEAKER_00]: One thing that's when I look back and people are like, oh, how would you do in Buds now going through physical training?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm always like, no factor.
[SPEAKER_00]: right because you know I'm just I'm just holding the line but what what I actually think about was like oh man can I what how painful would it be to be in like navy boot camp right now to have like oh it hey you know you have to do this at this time today and then after that you have to do this you know just just that would just be a shock to the liberty
[SPEAKER_00]: that I have constructed in my life, and then how often is someone that's a little bit older willing to take risks?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like when you're young, again, going back to someone that has no mortgage, no mortgage, no kids, no spouse, they can roll the dice all day with their money because they got nothing to lose.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you've got more to lose, even let's say like a military person and you're putting on the line your reputation and your career,
[SPEAKER_00]: or you're a politician, you've got your reputation, your career, like that can be very difficult.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but if you can do that, if you can keep an open mind, you can have new ideas, then you can use your knowledge to have an advantage over youth.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it says, at the same time, there is no doubt that a good young general will usually beat a good old one.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason the lowering of age of our generals is undoubtedly a step in the right direction, even if it may sometimes lose us prematurely a good commander.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think one, my whole comment about the whole age thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like when people would say, hey, how much is your luck way?
[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what I'm carrying.
[SPEAKER_00]: So how will do you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't matter because this is what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fast forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I need to expitate for long on the moral qualities of a lever of a leader.
[SPEAKER_00]: No amount of study or learning will make a man a leader unless he has the natural qualities of one.
[SPEAKER_00]: the qualities of a leader are well-known to you and I, and I shall deal with them further in my second lecture.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll get there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here I will mention only the barist essentials.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's interesting, you know, he says that no amount of studying or learning will make a man a leader unless he has natural qualities.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, here's what I've always said about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you, there are leaders, the leadership is the skill, and you can certainly get better at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Will you, if you are going for the NBA and you're only five foot eight, is any amount of practice gonna make you six foot four?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're a leader and you have a certain God-given ability with speech,
[SPEAKER_00]: You can get better at it, but you're not, you may not have the ability to be Martin Luther King or John F. Kennedy would you speak, it just, that's, that's the way it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but can you get better?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you can certainly get better.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's so many little qualities that a leader's supposed to have, or should have, and you can make all of them a little bit better.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so if you make all of them a little bit better, you can improve as a leader.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you may not have the gift of being six foot forward to being the NBA, but you can beat still be Steph Curry.
[SPEAKER_00]: What Steph Curry is six or one?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever he is or Muggsy Boge, Boge who's five three, I think, and he played in the NBA.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he did it through a different approach and massive skills.
[SPEAKER_00]: So
[SPEAKER_00]: You can become a leader by utilizing and studying and learning the skills of leadership as long as you have the most important one, which is humility.
[SPEAKER_00]: going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says he's going to talk about the bare essentials.
[SPEAKER_00]: He must have character, which simply means he knows what he wants and has the courage and determination to get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He should have a genuine interest in and a real knowledge of the raw material of his trade, and most vital of all, he must have what we call the fighting spirit, the will to win.
[SPEAKER_00]: you all know and recognize it in sport, the man who places best when things are going badly, who has the power to come back at you when apparently beaten, and who refuses to acknowledge defeat.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is one other moral quality I would stress as the mark of a really great commander as distinguished from the ordinary general.
[SPEAKER_00]: He must have a spirit of adventure, a touch of the gambler in him.
[SPEAKER_00]: As Napoleon said, if the art of war consisted merely in not taking risks, glory would be at the mercy of very mediocre talent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Napoleon always asked if a general was lucky.
[SPEAKER_00]: What he really meant was, is he bold.
[SPEAKER_00]: A bold general may be lucky, but no general may be lucky, unless he is bold.
[SPEAKER_00]: The general who allows himself to be bound and hampered by regulations is unlikely to win in battle.
[SPEAKER_00]: So good, you know, there it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: We think we're looking for that disciplined, rigid, individual that's going to follow all the rules, but we literally can't be bound or hampered by rules and regulations.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I really like the idea of, you know, are you lucky?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're only going to be lucky if you're bold.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of the S.A.S.
[SPEAKER_00]: saying, Fortune favors the bold.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who dares wins?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, those are kind of the,
[SPEAKER_00]: So far, we have dealt with the general's physical and moral make-up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now for his mental qualities.
[SPEAKER_00]: The most important is what the French call, Lissense do practicable.
[SPEAKER_00]: What we call common sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to try a French accent, and I voted against it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: My daughter's speak Spanish with no Spanish accent because you know in Southern California you take Spanish in high school But they speak Spanish and they they can do they have a good vocabulary and can communicate in the proper Conjudgets and whatnot, but they just do it with no Spanish accent.
[SPEAKER_00]: They just do it as pure gringo's and it's pretty funny Listen to what we call common sense knowledge of what is and what is not possible
[SPEAKER_00]: It must be based on a really sound knowledge of the mechanism of war i.e.
[SPEAKER_00]: topography movement and supply man in common sense you know the old thing common sense is not too common right and isn't it weird I've I've I've earned a lot of I've earned a lot of
[SPEAKER_00]: head nods.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like we agree by just saying some pretty common scent dumb stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, yeah, we're doing up in my days.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, um, maybe we should just do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, that's a good point.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: We can operation complication going on and everyone's getting nuts like we could probably just do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are the real foundations of military knowledge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not strategy and tactics as most people think.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is the lack of this knowledge of the principles and practice of military movement, and administration.
[SPEAKER_00]: Logistics of war, some people call it, yes, that's what we call it there, Earl.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh uh which puts what we call amateur strategists wrong not the principles of strategy themselves which can be apprehended in a very short time by any reasonable intelligence.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like oh the the the the little warfighting stuff, the little tactics of like killing each other that's not that that's not that hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's already saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the administration, the logistics, that's the hard part.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what he's talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is possible, that's a little common sense activity.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, unfortunately, most military books strategy and tactics are emphasized at the expense of the administrative factors.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, it's the same thing with business, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the logistics of business, you can do good on the front end, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Making a good product, designing a good product, marketing a good product,
[SPEAKER_00]: but logistics wins wars and logistics is what keeps you in the game in business as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you gotta be professional to make that stuff happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of pretty much any operations for whatever reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought of concerts, you know, like, or like some music festival.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, you always say, like, oh, yeah, it's a good festival.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then you, when you think of,
[SPEAKER_01]: a festival or a concert we'll say with poor logistics, you got bathroom issues, you have trash issues, you got all, you know, you have congestion issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got Woodstock 1999, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, always people like Chris.
[SPEAKER_00]: It went crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just a documentary called Fire Festival.
[SPEAKER_00]: The guy had like a party or something like a big concert party on some islands.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they did not have good logistics.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything went to shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I thought it or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was like, is that the scam one?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it may have been viewed as a scam once it was over because the way everything logistically fell apart.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, we don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: bands show up to play and there's no where for them to plug in their equipment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: We flew us out here.
[SPEAKER_00]: We want our money.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, so it probably, I don't think, well, I'd have to re-watch it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it was intended to scam, but I think it ended up being just such a logistical failure.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's exactly what we're talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like such a logistical failure that
[SPEAKER_00]: it'd be like if you paid whatever $500 to go to this festival and then you got there and there was no food, no water and nowhere to go to the bathroom.
[SPEAKER_00]: You would think that that was scam.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you think this guy took my money and didn't deliver any products or that seems like a scam.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he just logistically did not do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that does make sense especially like, you know, as far as you talking about this, the
[SPEAKER_01]: that element from the book where you don't think of that on the front end you know you don't think about like oh I can't wait to go to this freaking guns and roses concert because of the bathroom you know spaces you know like there's so many bathrooms there it's so legit you like you don't think about that part of it even though that part of it is probably more foundational to the whole experience
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just saw Guns Rose.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to coordinate with Jack Osborne and come and debrief the Black Sabbath last concert.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, obviously with his dad is dad dying a couple weeks after that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't really gotten around to it, but
[SPEAKER_00]: Logistically it was incredible the way they pulled it off.
[SPEAKER_00]: We mentioned Guns and roses Guns and roses Did they crushed and Guns and roses Played deep cuts.
[SPEAKER_00]: They played deep black Sabbath cuts because the way they put that whole show together They had a bunch of different bands and every band played like one two or three of their own songs and one two or three of black Sabbath songs With very and then there was super groups that came out So it was awesome, but Guns are I
[SPEAKER_00]: looked i try not to get engaged in the comments right about stuff but i saw some people saying some negative things about guns and roses and man they rocked and they played deep cuts and good for um sorry i just went in a little statistical totally unexpected there
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but but it's a lot of when you go through the experience of whatever Those logistics when they're handled properly versus improperly or such a big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, and so I went to this place did the most
[SPEAKER_00]: the monster.
[SPEAKER_00]: So at the monster though, logistically, it is such a, we focus so much on logistics for this very reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if it takes, if you show up to the monster, which is an event, we have it as long as.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you show up to the monster, and it takes you,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, an hour to check in and register, you're like, dude, what is, like, this is why am I standing in line.
[SPEAKER_00]: We, at the master, it takes, we get it done, like, you will register in 30 seconds.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything is streamlined.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything is because we realize that we're being judged.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just like you're saying, you judged stuff on logistics.
[SPEAKER_00]: The master,
[SPEAKER_00]: is judged at least at some level on the logistics of the operation because if we at Ashland Front as a leadership consultancy can't run a square-to-way event, then why would you talk to us?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would you listen to us?
[SPEAKER_00]: You wouldn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: So logistics are key.
[SPEAKER_00]: Proceeds, sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because, again, when you go through the overall experience, again, since it's not the front running element that you kind of pay attention to, you don't think about it, but when you actually go through it, you'd be surprised.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I was at this place doing a video and it was a location, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a business where, okay, it was a gym, it wasn't victory, it was a
[SPEAKER_00]: Victory is almost open.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never been to this gym before, so I come and you know you go on the map or whatever and I Go to the gym and there's no parking lot for this gym at all It's a big kind of a big gym too.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no parking lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's parking the street surrounding streets
[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember thinking, I would never join this gym now, just because of the parking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, to go to the gym and then to contend with parking, it's like, brother, that takes away about 90% of the gym experience right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: For me, that's how I was feeling in the moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed saying, but I never really think about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you obviously thought about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, when you're in the moment, but before that, you know, you're thinking about, oh, how, you know, what kind of weights that there's a gym has, even all the way down to like, what is the lighting look like, how many mirrors, you know, like, all these details about the gym, but not the logistical part of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Logistics wins wars and you got to know them.
[SPEAKER_00]: fast forward a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: In conclusion, I wonder if you realize what a very complicated business this modern soldiering is.
[SPEAKER_00]: A commander today has to learn to handle air forces, armored mechanical vehicles, anti-aircraft artillery.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has to consider the use of gas and smoke offensively and defensively to know enough of wireless to make proper use of it for communication.
[SPEAKER_00]: to understand something of the art of camouflage, of the business of propaganda, to keep himself up to date in their developments of military engineering, all of this in addition to the more normal requirements of his trade.
[SPEAKER_00]: On the battlefield, of course, conditions are completely different.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the conditions of the late war, no battalion commander launching his reserve company had anything like such a clear picture of the situation as any of these while the commander in chief was not on the battlefield at all, but sitting in an office many miles back or recklessly pacing the garden of a chateau waiting for news that seemed to never come and when it came was usually misleading.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're going to be making decisions you're not going to be there, and I kind of skipped over a part where he was talking about how previous commanders and different wars, whether it was marvell and Napoleon or Wellington, they would move to place where they could kind of watch things unfold.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is very important for your, you know, for tribute to lead.
[SPEAKER_00]: But these guys, they're like back from the lines and you can't get up there because modern warfare is just different.
[SPEAKER_00]: a wild land firefighter the other day, and she was saying that she was like, I think they called a, she was in charge of a big fire that was happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as her firefighters were fighting the fire, she had to move across the valley.
[SPEAKER_00]: to the other ridge line where the fire wasn't so she could observe what the fire was doing and then call them because you know what what can you see when you're fighting a forest fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can see like fire and trees she had to move him to a basically an elevated position where she could watch what was happening and give directions.
[SPEAKER_00]: So sometimes, you know, that's what you have to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in this case, in this modern warfare case, you get separated to a point where you actually can't visually see and you're having to assemble misleading information to try and make decisions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you don't make any decisions, obviously, that's going to be failure.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you got to do something, you got to make something happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the way this modern warfare happens as much as you want to get into the high ground and watch what's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, my friend Momo was doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't get that opportunity, fast forward a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: The commander with the imagination, the genius, this is a part about military genius.
[SPEAKER_00]: The commander with the imagination, the genius, in fact, to use the new forces may have his name written among the great captains, but he will not win that title lightly or easily.
[SPEAKER_00]: Consider for a moment the qualification to you will require on the ground he will have to have you will have to handle forces moving at a speed and ranging at a distance far exceeding that of the most mobile cavalry of the past.
[SPEAKER_00]: A study of naval strategy and tactics as well as those of cavalry will be essentially essential to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems to me immaterial whether he is a soldier who has really studied the air or an airman who has really studied land forces.
[SPEAKER_00]: It
[SPEAKER_00]: never the action of one alone that will bring success for a future war.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to understand air and war.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is a, this reminds me of 2G2 when you get, I would say it's mid to high blue belt level.
[SPEAKER_00]: is when people start to use their arms and legs at the same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because sometimes you have to use them together.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to be using, you have to be moving your arms, and you have to be moving your legs at the same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the human mind doesn't do that very well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, have you replayed drums before?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like yeah, I've I've never really played them, but like I'll get on the kit sometimes and bang out a couple songs, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: My right hand and right foot might as well be tied together because they will not do something different And my left hand and left foot might as well be tied together to they because they're gonna do this they're gonna move together That's just the way they are
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can train yourself out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's something I look forward to doing in a few years.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to learn to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to learn how to make my right foot and my right hand do something different than my left foot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And my left hand do something different.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when people do jits or they get that stage where they'll be like, hey, you need to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to frame over here and push their hip this way with your hand.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when they do that, they stop moving their feet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when you tell them, hey man, you got to make that hook down there with your foot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they'll be like, cool, but then they stop moving their upper body.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to lose both.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of things that come because it kind of becomes this physical language, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: All these even drums, piano is another one where it's like, you're kind of playing on one side.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, you can be using both hands like, um, what's that thing when you're a little kid?
[SPEAKER_01]: You pat your head and breath your stomach or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of that really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but for a different intention.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like yeah, it becomes because Sam Harris talks about this where it's like two different parts of your brain.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like one is like if you translate a different language to English word for word You're not really kind of speaking the language.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to just understand just saying it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this jujitsu scenario You're like, okay, consciously, okay, I got to put my hand here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to put my foot here or whatever You're not speaking the language yet
[SPEAKER_01]: After while your body just does it, you shouldn't say it so it's like, yeah, two different things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Continue on here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Add to this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he says you got to be able to do both air and land.
[SPEAKER_00]: Add to this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And see, add to this that the commander studies must have a background of solid common sense and analogy of humanity.
[SPEAKER_00]: on huge peculiarities and not those machines, the whole practice of war affairs is ultimately based.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there you go, like hey, we're talking about all these different weapons, systems, and air, and land, and sea, naval power, and all this stuff, but it's ultimately just humans.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got no humans.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fast forward a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: The section is called the general and his troops.
[SPEAKER_00]: I now want you to consider the general in relation to his troops.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will begin with a few words about his staff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where are the means by which he controls and directs his army?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll give you two simple rules which every general should observe.
[SPEAKER_00]: first, never try to do his own staff work, and secondly, never to let his staff get between him and his troops.
[SPEAKER_00]: What a staff appreciates is that it should receive clear and definitive instructions and then be a left to work out the details without interference.
[SPEAKER_00]: What troops and subordinate commanders appreciate is that the general should be constantly in personal contact with them and should not see everything simply through the eyes of his staff.
[SPEAKER_00]: The less time a general spends in his office and the more with his troops, the better.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is one thing that's a little bit of a curveball.
[SPEAKER_00]: is he says, never try to do his own staff work.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, my first one I read that I was like, oh yeah, you can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have the time to be doing this staff stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking of it from a time management perspective, but he's talking about a micro management perspective that if I'm doing your job for you echo, you're not doing your job, I'm focused on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not, it's just, it's centralized command is what he's talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then obviously getting out with the troops, that's what you need to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: As fast-forward a little bit, as to a general's relations with his subordinate commanders, it happened, it is important to him to know their characteristics, which must be held back and which urge none, which can be trusted with an independent mission and which must be kept under his own eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some want very detailed and precise orders, other merely a general indication.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are many generals who are excellent, executive commanders, as long as they are controlled by a higher commander.
[SPEAKER_00]: But who get out of their depth at once and sometimes lose their nerve if given independent command.
[SPEAKER_00]: Others are difficult subordinates, but maybe trust it on their own.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is important not to get these two sorts mixed.
[SPEAKER_00]: In other words, a higher commander must be a good judge of character.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we've seen this over and over again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's got their own little personalities.
[SPEAKER_00]: And decentralized command might mean, oh, echo, I can kind of let him do what everyone wants.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fred, I gotta keep close control over him.
[SPEAKER_00]: We as leaders have to know which is which.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fast forward, now to come to the general relations with the troops themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: You will realize what a wide subject it is and how impossible to dogmatize about.
[SPEAKER_00]: The outlook of the officer, the regimental officer differs naturally from that of the men, and different nationalities demand different treatment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mays on fountains, my children says the French men.
[SPEAKER_00]: And may speak of the glory of the Fatherland.
[SPEAKER_00]: Men says the English men on rare occasions when he feels called on to address his troops collectively.
[SPEAKER_00]: Comrades says the Soviet Russian.
[SPEAKER_00]: The German commander of the future will perhaps cause a thrill of pride to run through the ranks with a cry of fellow Aryans.
[SPEAKER_00]: But whatever the nationality, whatever the condition,
[SPEAKER_00]: what induces the man to risk his life bravely, and what is the general's part in fostering his endurance?
[SPEAKER_00]: No man wants to die, what causes him to face death?
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a hope of loot or glory, discipline and tradition, devotion to cause or country, devotion to a man,
[SPEAKER_00]: glory or loot appeals to few these days.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nor indeed is much glorier loot to be had.
[SPEAKER_00]: Decorations and promotions count for something but may be cause but may cause much hurt burning unless carefully distributed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Belief in a cause may count for much, especially if fostered by mass propaganda, yet there is truth in the following.
[SPEAKER_00]: From a book on the late war.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, here's a quote.
[SPEAKER_00]: A man does not flee because he is fighting an unrighteous cause.
[SPEAKER_00]: He does not attack because his cause is just.
[SPEAKER_00]: He flees because he is the weaker.
[SPEAKER_00]: He conquers because he is the stronger, or because his leader has made him feel the stronger.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird when you break down stuff like that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like why did he lose the fight?
[SPEAKER_00]: He was weaker.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, why did he start backing away?
[SPEAKER_00]: He was being overpowered.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what causes the troops to keep pushing because they think they can win.
[SPEAKER_00]: They believe they can win.
[SPEAKER_00]: They believe they're stronger.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've always kept the idea that I'm not going to get into a fight that I'm not going to win.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not going to get into an argument that I'm not going to win by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you hear me arguing with someone with you here very seldomly, but if you hear me contending with someone, if you can, put money on me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I know I'm gonna win.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're arguing with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if we're having a discussion and I'm asking you to earn a question, I'm open-minded.
[SPEAKER_00]: I may be right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I might be wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: I might be having an idea of what the deal is or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I did not confirm to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you hear me saying, no, no, we should not do it like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You should put money on me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I know I'm right.
[SPEAKER_00]: How often have you heard me say I know I'm right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I can't remember you saying that ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's going to be very, very seldom.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you you getting into in entanglement where you think you're going to lose is not a smart move.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: that now here goes to continuing on with wire guys going to fight, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But tradition and discipline anyway, so far as the British are concerned, are the real root of the matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have not the time here to enter into any discussion on the subject of discipline.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will only remark that with the national armies, as all armies, even the British will be in a future war and general education discipline should be a different matter
[SPEAKER_00]: It has changed greatly since I joined and is changing still, but whatever the system, it is the general's business to see justice done.
[SPEAKER_00]: And here we're talking about like, you know, military discipline for not doing the right thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: The soldier does not mind a severe code provided it is administered fairly and reasonably.
[SPEAKER_00]: As an instance, here is the verdict of a private soldier on Crawford
[SPEAKER_00]: If he flogged to, he saved hundreds from death.
[SPEAKER_00]: Discipline apart, the soldiers' chief cares are, first, his personal comfort.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, this is what, this is what a soldier cares about.
[SPEAKER_00]: His personal comfort, i.e.
[SPEAKER_00]: regular rations, proper clothing, good billets, and proper hospital arrangements.
[SPEAKER_00]: And secondly, his personal safety, i.e.
[SPEAKER_00]: that he shall be put into a flight with his good chance as possible of victory and survival.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those two things combine guns and butter in other words.
[SPEAKER_00]: So are you putting me in a situation where like I don't have a really good chance of winning or at least just go to chances I can possibly have a winning if you're not doing that for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: And have you given me food when you can and clothing when you can and gear when I can?
[SPEAKER_00]: If you haven't done that, that's a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny to think about like in the seal teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: everyone's always trying to like get gear.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been trying to get more gear and I've never really thought of it as such a morale boost, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's for the, if I would have known that back then I'd be like, sir, we need to get these new boots.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you need them?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, first of all for this type of environment we're going into, but also for the morale of the troops.
[SPEAKER_00]: Modern generals are hardly known to the large armies they command, but without placing himself and fast for a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: But without placing himself at the head of his troops in battle, a modern commander can still exercise a very real influence over the morale of his men.
[SPEAKER_00]: And outstanding example is Alan Bees, regeneration of the Egyptian expeditionary force in the summer of 1917 after their two repulsors at Gaza in the spring of that year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Australianes are not easily impressed by British generals.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the following extract from the Australian official history shows the impression made by Alan B.
[SPEAKER_00]: And here we go quote, there was nothing familiar about Alan B's touch with his regiments and battalions.
[SPEAKER_00]: He went through the hot dusty camps of his army like a strong fresh, reviving wind.
[SPEAKER_00]: He would dash up in his car to a light horse regiment, shake hands with a few officers, inspect hurriedly, but with a sure eye to good and bad points, the horses of perhaps a single squadron and be gone in a few minutes leaving a great trail of dust behind him.
[SPEAKER_00]: His tall and massive but restlessly active figure, his keen eyes and prominent hooked nose, his turf and forcible speech,
[SPEAKER_00]: and his imperious bearing radiated in impression of tremendous resolution, quick decision, and steely discipline.
[SPEAKER_00]: Within a week of his arrival, Alan B. had stamped his personality on the mind of every trooper of the horse and every infantryman of the line.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can have an impact.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this isn't an interesting little section here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Should a general addresses troops collectively or individually, or individually?
[SPEAKER_00]: I only think if he has a gift that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: A gift, not of eloquence necessarily, but of saying the right thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: He must be very sure of himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: He risks more loss of reputation than he is likely to gain.
[SPEAKER_00]: and unfortunate remark or tone or even appearance made lower his stock and do more harm than good.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you guys, that's it, like, you know what's the leader?
[SPEAKER_00]: You gotta watch it.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're gonna be talking, you gotta be careful if you're gonna run your suck, as we say.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been to a company, I've been to a window, I don't want to exaggerate, but I've been to some briefs in my time, where I was completely demodified by what was being said, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like dude, and sometimes I've had this adication where
[SPEAKER_00]: my troops, my troops are getting collectively brief too by someone and it's landing so wrong and you're like, bro, just I wish you wouldn't have said anything, you know, and sometimes trying to say something, you know, like cool or whatever, that can backfire in a kind of a big way too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes, you know, if you just, if you're not sure if you should talk,
[SPEAKER_00]: be brief be bold be gone as as a making major making McClellan was known to say be brief be bold be gone like if you don't if you don't if you're talking to the troops and you're not really sure but just say something quick you know don't try don't try and be Shakespeare out here just try and say something quick be brief be bold be gone
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, this is where we're going back to the temper.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to get back to temper.
[SPEAKER_00]: Explosions of temper do not necessarily ruin a general's reputation or influence with his troops.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he says it doesn't necessarily ruin it, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a pretty negative statement.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's saying, oh, look, it does kind of ruin it, but not necessarily.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says it is almost expected of them, which I think is bullshit, especially in this day and age.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it is not always resented sometimes, even admired
[SPEAKER_00]: except by those of my dearly concerned, I just don't think that to be true.
[SPEAKER_00]: I disagree and it's kind of weird here not from a Brit because Brits are, you know, stiff up or leapt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, kind of like limited emotions, especially British officers.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this kind of, this one kind of hit me a little bit a little out of left field.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't agree with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I've never the only thing I guess maybe is what you pointed out earlier And I think this happens with kids and I've talked about this with JP to now is like when you see You're when you're a little kid and you see your dad loses temper and it seems like kind of a super power Because everyone kind of gets out of their way and like okay, I guess we're just gonna do what dad says
[SPEAKER_00]: That can rub off.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're now you think like oh other people are kind of thinking that But then you forget that other people are now 24 and you're like bro, what do you can't control your freaking Temporer yelling and screaming what quotes wrong with you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe that's maybe that's why
[SPEAKER_01]: they the British kind of consider this to be the case because culturally they don't lose their temper.
[SPEAKER_01]: Culture everyone's like so when they do it's kind of like this big deal it's kind of this exceptional moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Seems like because if it's not an exceptional moment that's kind of like rather this guy's flying off the handle again gotta get you know get his act together kind of yeah maybe um I don't know I'll go with hey it doesn't necessarily ruin your leadership capital
[SPEAKER_00]: chances are like it ain't good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could see like let's say you are a good really good leader and somebody does something that's out of line and you you show some emotion and anger towards them and then everyone goes to him do you like you know Echo just said hey he can really be his really serious stuff like we can't whatever we can't show up late like we're gonna be so I think that might be the situation where you could kind of get away with it but even that is like a stretch for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it feels like you kind of got to thread a needle like very specifically to pull that off, where it's like effective.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you can only do it up one or two times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, in your life, in your inner workings with that team, you can't not be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, anytime that you come off as overreacting, you're gonna jam yourself pretty much.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, what?
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you do it often, I feel like that's overreacting.
[SPEAKER_00]: It also has one sentence here.
[SPEAKER_00]: It says, but sarcasm is always resented and seldom forgiven.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of a little bit surprised at that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to be careful with sarcasm especially in a leadership position because it cuts way deeper than you mean it to.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you got to be careful with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know, but being resented seems a little bit strong.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like sarcasm is humor, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Would you say to me the rule has always been, since I was a kid, up until literally
[SPEAKER_00]: You're clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's valid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think you're right though, where, yeah, when you're the leader, it cuts different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the subordinate will be like, oh wait, is he serious?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, is there a for real problem within that joke, you know, kind of a thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, make sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not even, you know, but peer to peer.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the rule.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, speaking of humor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Should the high commander have a sense of humor?
[SPEAKER_00]: Certainly, a sense of humor is good for anyone, but he must not display it too much or too often.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm okay with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had the one guy at the mustard a long time ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: Says, you know, hey, I'm a guy I like to joke around.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like to get my shots in and no one takes me seriously.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, hey, bro, it's time to get so many jokes in here.
[SPEAKER_00]: The British soldier, fast forward a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: The British soldier himself is one of the world's greatest humorists.
[SPEAKER_00]: That humorous race, that, I'm sorry, this was what I had read this, that unhumorous race, the Germans held an investigation after the late war into the causes of morale, and attributed much of the British soldiers staying power to a sense of humor.
[SPEAKER_00]: They therefore decided to instill this sense into their own soldiers, and included in their manuals in order to cultivate it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They gave an illustration in the manual, uh, one of Baron's father's pictures of Old Bill, sitting in a building with an enormous shell hole in the wall.
[SPEAKER_00]: A new charm asks, what made that hole?
[SPEAKER_00]: Mice replies Old Bill.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they got this, you know, a picture and there's a big shell hole in the wall and the old salty shoulders sitting there and the new guy is like, what made that hole in the guy goes, mice.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it says, in the German manual, a solemn footnote of explanation is added.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was quote, it was not mice.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the shell.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they had to like explain the humor and I thought that was pretty funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fast forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the lecture hall of a French infantry school, which I once attended was written the following from our don't-to-peak, which we covered his work on this podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: We covered this quote as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: The man is the first weapon of battle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let us then study the soldier in battle for his he who brings reality to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Only study of the past can give us a sense of reality and show us how the soldier will fight in the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: got to know people and they kind of goes into that a little bit here to learn that Napoleon won the campaign of 1796 by maneuver on interior lines or some such phrase is of little value so like whatever tactics and actual battlefield maneuver Napoleon used doesn't really matter the little value.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you can discover how a young, unknown man inspired a ragged, muteness half-starved army and made it fight, how he gave it the energy and momentum to march and fight as it did, how he dominated and controlled generals older and more experienced than himself, then you will have learned something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Napoleon did not gain the position he did so much by a study of rules and strategy as by a profound knowledge of human nature in war.
[SPEAKER_00]: A story of him in his early days shows his knowledge of psychology.
[SPEAKER_00]: When an artillery officer, when he was an artillery officer at the Siege of Toulon, he built a battery in such an exposed position that he was told he would never find men to hold it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He put up a placard that said, the battery of men without fear.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was always man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[SPEAKER_00]: A general must keep strict, though not necessarily stern, disciplined, and again you're going to find the little looks of little nice dichotomy balancing of dichotomies here.
[SPEAKER_00]: He should give praise where praise is due, ungrudgely by word of mouth or written order.
[SPEAKER_00]: He should show himself as frequently as possible to his troops and as impressively as possible.
[SPEAKER_00]: he should never indulge in sarcasm, which is being clever at someone else's expense and always offense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they have like a little bit more of a nuanced specific definition of sarcasm being very directed at a person.
[SPEAKER_00]: He should tell his soldiers the truth, save when absolutely necessary to conceal plans, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you things annoy the soldier more in the late war, then the extracts published by the intelligence to make out that the German soldiers were fighting badly, et cetera, when the soldier knew they were fighting as stoutly as ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: and will close out this section of the book.
[SPEAKER_00]: To sum up, the relationship between a general and his troops is very much like that between the writer and his horse.
[SPEAKER_00]: The horse must be controlled and disciplined and yet encouraged.
[SPEAKER_00]: He should, according to an old hunting maxim, be cared for in the stable as if he was worth 500 pounds and ridden in the field
[SPEAKER_00]: and the horse knows not only by his own comfort, whether he's being ridden well or badly, but he knows if his rider is bold or frightened, determined, or hesitating.
[SPEAKER_00]: A general must drive his men at times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the best and most successful riders and horse masters are not those who are fondest of horses.
[SPEAKER_00]: a general may succeed for some time and persuading his superiors that he is a good commander, he will never persuade his army that he is a good commander unless he has the real qualities of one.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I got a little bit a little bit
[SPEAKER_00]: touched or perturbed or a little bit a little bit annoyed by the statement that some of the best and most successful writers and horse masters are not those who are fondest of horses.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because for me, if you're not a guy that loves your troops, loves your soldiers, then we got a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because we had to care about our soldiers more than anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then I thought about this
[SPEAKER_00]: you get dogs and someone that just spoils a dog, what kind of dog do you end up with, spoiled dog, someone that just spoils their kids would end up with, are they going to be functional kids or are they going to be reached their maximum potential?
[SPEAKER_00]: We know that they're not.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to, you can't overly
[SPEAKER_00]: care.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't care to the point that you are not willing to push them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what's the word he used?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, drive, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to, you've got to push your kids.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to push your troops.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to make sure that they're, you know, that they're they're learning the path of discipline.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you don't do that, they're not going to reach their potential.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if all you did with your troops was, oh, you guys want to go home.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you guys want to go to the bar tonight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you guys don't want to come to work tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: If that's what you do, your troops are not making good troops.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're
[SPEAKER_00]: But I love that kind of point that I close with.
[SPEAKER_00]: He will never persuade his army that is a good commander unless he has the real qualities of one.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what that means to me is that you can't fake it, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: The horse knows you're faking it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever ridden horse before?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The horse knows you're faking it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They know.
[SPEAKER_00]: You talk to anybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like those horses know what you're thinking.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty much kind of more than you do.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you go with Iris Gardner on a horse.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like she will tell you like, hey.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're acting nervous.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, what are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, no, the horse can see it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The horse can feel it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And dogs do that to some extent, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I remember Mike Greatland said that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, where he put it and I'm totally paraphrasing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he was like, hey, you know, when like a person walks in a room, for example, and they're like fidgeting and they're, they're eyes are darting around and, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: You can pick up on that on a person, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So dogs they have that sense with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas so if you're like nervous, they can feel your nervousness, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like huh, it makes sense because dogs don't talk to you, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of all they have is their little vibe sensory scenario, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: I used to have that with my wife when when Odin was out and about.
[SPEAKER_00]: She, she would get nervous when he was around other dogs, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because always he's gonna bark, he's gonna lunge, like, you know, kind of like a level of embarrassment.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm a little bit embarrassed if he barks at this dog, he's a little bit embarrassed and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna let him know, do not be a problem with my mom over here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, so her being concerned that he was going to bark made come up with it, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, how to be like, oh, just like, it's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just chill and have good time and chill them out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you're, you know, you got to be careful with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you, but the dog knows the horse knows and your team knows.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you can't, you can't fake it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not one of those situations fake it to make it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They will pick up on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll hit some of the remaining sections of this book on the next podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about the soldier and the statement.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about unorthodox soldiers.
[SPEAKER_00]: What it means to be a good soldier, very interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take, he's got on that, and then how to command in this
[SPEAKER_00]: of war, which obviously transfer over to the rest of our lives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lots of work to make us better and there's always work that we have to do to make us better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, mental work, but remember there's a lot of physical things as that leader.
[SPEAKER_00]: got to be physically ready to withstand the shock of war and look the shock of war might not come from war might come from life in fact I'll tell you what it will come from life so that means we got to be physically ready mentally ready that means we're training and when we're training when we're lifting you you'll be back on the mats of justice there aquatars yeah
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah when that day comes, what do you want to be?
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[SPEAKER_00]: She actually gave an amazing speech this past weekend at the ready first reunion down in Fort Bliss, Texas, gave an amazing speech just about Mark and what we're all doing here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Trying to be better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and it'll consume your brain if you're not careful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call BrainRot, they have a name for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's BrainRot plus AI Slop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And speaking of soldiers and soldiering, the title of the book we read today, we are grateful for all of our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines who are deployed around the globe right now, protecting freedom.
[SPEAKER_00]: and our way of life.
[SPEAKER_00]: We thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, thanks to police law enforcement firefighters, paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers, correction officers, border patrol, secret service, as well as all other first responders who are deployed around our country.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right now, protecting us here at home.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for everyone else out there, I think it's an important to remember this concept that we went over today from Field Marshal, Wavelle.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is the relationship between being lucky and being bold.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not gonna get lucky if you're not bold.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to step up, you have to make things happen, you have to be de-fault aggressive, and if you are de-fault aggressive, and if you are proactive, and you do have a bias for action, the luck will come.
[SPEAKER_00]: In order to make that happen, well, go out there, you get after it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all we've got for tonight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Until next time, this is Echo and Jocco.