[SPEAKER_02]: Hello everyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the Delta Flyers journey through the wormhole with quark decks and their good friends, Tom and Harry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space 9.
[SPEAKER_05]: Your host for today are my fellow trek actors, Armin Shimmerman, Robert Duncan McNeill, and our very special guest, Asian American acting royalty,
[SPEAKER_02]: Rosalind.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ros, your royalty.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's like crowd.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also a very old friend of mine before any Star Trek we knew each other.
[SPEAKER_03]: But before when you were doing, and it brought like into the woods or six degrees or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, you were the major theater heartsarad.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, you guys have known each other for a very, very long time.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about some birthdays.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got Mickey T.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mickey T. On January 5th, we want to say happy birthday Mickey.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday Mickey.
[SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday Mickey.
[SPEAKER_05]: Happy happy happy birthday Mickey.
[SPEAKER_05]: Next up we have Sarah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Done event.
[SPEAKER_05]: January the 8th.
[SPEAKER_05]: Happy birthday Sarah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sarah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday Sarah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's my limb rec, for the episode, the assignment.
[SPEAKER_02]: When Kaco returns from her trip, possessed by an evil entity's grip, a parrathes in her skin, forcing miles to give in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Her life depends on his clever gamesmanship.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's impressive.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_05]: My high coup for the assignment.
[SPEAKER_05]: Kko is possessed.
[SPEAKER_05]: Chief gets rum to help his cause.
[SPEAKER_05]: Ross, child, impressive.
[SPEAKER_05]: That is a very impressive hike here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're welcome.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: The title is called The Assignment.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was an interesting exploration into the word assignment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Assignment is course from the word Assignment, which is in Middle English.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the middle English, it had three syllables.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't even begin to pronounce that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But a sign had three syllables.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess it was because of the French background, which I'm about to mention in a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess it was Sienier.
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe it was the first one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the 15th century, the A, Sienier, became mute.
[SPEAKER_01]: The word of Simon comes from the late or middle Latin, and I can't, I don't speak Latin.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably wrong, forgive me for saying it wrong, to all of the deadlines.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have five different to me interesting definitions of this word assignment.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first is, and unlike what I usually do, I'm going to give you an example of each of the definitions.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, number one, assignment.
[SPEAKER_01]: The action of appointing as a share or allotment.
[SPEAKER_01]: The example of that in the OED is an assignment of lands to the veterans.
[SPEAKER_01]: Two, the legal transference of a right or a property, an example to avoid the foreset grants and assignments.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's two, three.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: The allotting of convicts as unpaid servants to colonists.
[SPEAKER_01]: So indentured servitude.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, indentured servitude.
[SPEAKER_01]: The condition of such service.
[SPEAKER_01]: The years of assignment are passed away with discontent and unhappiness.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the example that the OED gives us.
[SPEAKER_01]: The fourth one.
[SPEAKER_01]: an appointment to office or nomination or designation, setting a part for a purpose.
[SPEAKER_01]: Example, I am the angel, which at the assignment of God.
[SPEAKER_01]: and commanded I keep her to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: And number five, an appointment, a command or a bidding.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's an example for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we all, I think, understand that definition.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's my in-depth sort of look at the word assignment, which comes from the French Signee.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, sir.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am surprised about assignment is that sort of indentured servitude side of it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that lit that you're sort of it's prison work or, you know, it's not indentured servitude.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a perfect definition for what I think the OED says assignment means in my what third definition.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, what couldn't stop thinking about what would that be like having a convict be your servant?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they did in early America.
[SPEAKER_01]: They sent convicts as they did in Australia as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: They sent convicts to Australia and to America.
[SPEAKER_01]: And oftentimes the people that collected them at the ports were the people that they were going to work for.
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course they didn't get paid that they were just intentioned servants.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what Miles does in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got an assignment.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he does not enjoy your servant to your past.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's talk a little bit about the story.
[SPEAKER_05]: The story was by Robert Letterman and David are long.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the end is the ampersand end.
[SPEAKER_05]: Teleplay by Bradley Thompson and Apercent and David Weddle.
[SPEAKER_05]: So Bradley Thompson and David Weddle did the Teleplay directed by Alan Craig Curr.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was his very very first episode of Star Trek.
[SPEAKER_05]: He went on to direct almost
[SPEAKER_05]: 40 other episodes of Star Trek, numerous Voyager episodes, numerous Enterprise, as well as numerous DS9 episodes, and they pretty much said, you're the guy that's going to do, you're going to direct every season finale of every season of DS9 Voyager Enterprise, so they loved Alan, they really did.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we did do.
[SPEAKER_02]: and I loved him that I brought him on to Chuck when I produced that show a few years later and he directed a lot of Chuck episodes, our cast loved him on Chuck and Warner Brothers had never worked with him before when I brought his name up there like the studio said, oh we don't know this guy, it's a trust me you're going to love Alan Grecker.
[SPEAKER_02]: and he was a big hit.
[SPEAKER_02]: He rocked it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he rocked it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's very sweet.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's Canadian, always like to say tell jokes on the set and be funny.
[SPEAKER_05]: He was just totally refreshing individual to be around.
[SPEAKER_02]: My favorite thing about Alan Craig, or I don't know if you remember this.
[SPEAKER_02]: is he would often talk about a scene and he would reference like a checkoff play or some great literature.
[SPEAKER_02]: He would he would pull these inspirations and references.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was very thoughtful and very deep and I really love that about him, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't he didn't just come in and say, are you going to do this fast and quick singles and
[SPEAKER_03]: It's we did have those too.
[SPEAKER_02]: We did have those, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was, he had the fresh air.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: He really was.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, Alan Cracker, of course.
[SPEAKER_05]: The guest stars, Rosalind Chow, as K. K. O'Brien, Max Crudenschick, as Rom, Hanatea, as Molly O'Brien, co-stars, Patrick B. Egan,
[SPEAKER_05]: as G.R.
[SPEAKER_05]: Rosy Mallock Yoden, as Takoa, Judy Derrand, as Cardassian computer voice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's jump right into this episode, so we start off in quarks, and quark comes in.
[SPEAKER_02]: He walks by mourn.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's breakfast time in the bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Quark thinks breakfast is invigorating in a bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Love is breakfast in a bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rama arrives from his night shift.
[SPEAKER_02]: Quark puts his regular breakfast out, the puree of Beetle.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Ron wants eggs, bacon, and hash.
[SPEAKER_02]: The court thinks he must be miserable.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really liked what Alan did.
[SPEAKER_01]: The camera followed me up until the door.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it picks up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ron coming in the door, follows him back to the bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lovely.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought lovely camera work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does this throughout the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he does.
[SPEAKER_02]: He blocks actors in beautiful ways that feel natural and filled with life and keeps the scenes moving.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's he's genius at blocking honestly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very much really good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do remember sometimes feeling early on like they were, you know, we were postcards, but not in this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, the late move does let us move
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, his blocking was always so natural.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was what it was so amazing.
[SPEAKER_05]: You felt safe whenever he was directing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just in passing in that shot, we go to the door and as I said, and come back, the anti-ferengy working eat it to still on the wall.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah the proclamation that brunt put out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just something that I was keeping my eye on and I still don't see any for Randy bartenders.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously it's still on.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did find that scene had a lot of parallels to our current day situation.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't realize
[SPEAKER_03]: How ahead of their time, they really were.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm finding out as I'm rewatched, because I haven't seen the show in decades, really.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm finding out just what you just said.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are so many echoes, resonances that I did know were there, and perhaps they didn't know either, but it just turns out that they're very meaningful nowadays.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, great blocking, uh, uh, Rome comes in.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wants his eggs and hash like humans, uh, Quark is very upset about not humans like the night shift.
[SPEAKER_02]: The night shift.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, each shift has a different that's true.
[SPEAKER_05]: They all remember that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they'll see in a different scene that not all the engineers are human.
[SPEAKER_01]: So just right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he wants a different breakfast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Quark doesn't like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to say, Armin, as I watch this scene, the work that you and Max do rehearsing at your house, pays off, because you come in to do this these scenes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there is a effortlessness and a connection and a
[SPEAKER_02]: and a naturalism that often isn't in Star Trek, or this era of Star Trek, because people were not as familiar with the material, and so they were sort of performing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't feel you guys performing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was the same thing between the two of you had a connection and an ease that I thought, oh, you must have gone back to your dressing room and worked stuff out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd further back than my dressing room.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't have a house before we can before filming.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's because of the prosthetics.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had to stay ahead of the curve.
[SPEAKER_01]: We knew that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in order to stay ahead of the curve, we had to be rehearsed like a theater actor.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't ask a quick technical question.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thinking of.
[SPEAKER_03]: So how long?
[SPEAKER_03]: What time was your call time?
[SPEAKER_01]: Two hours before the camera was ready.
[SPEAKER_03]: two hours.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was longer because it really does look.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Kardashians were longer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not all the pharyngeum makeup took the same amount of time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Max's makeup took less time than mine did.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's because not all of his was glued down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mine had to be all glued down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Karen was much more of a perfectionist than let's say some of the others were.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I have to point out here while we're talking about makeup that Ross, you probably didn't do a lot of prosthetics in your career until three body problems.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yeah, that was a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: You had probably as much as a foreringy on in that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was, I think we got down to an hour and a half, but the removing it was, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: For your face, I didn't realize.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what everybody's doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_01]: People always ask how long did it put on, but the real question is how long did it take it off?
[SPEAKER_03]: It was great, I was surprised.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really, process.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because when they first hired me, they said, now are you sure because it was all in a meeting, and are you sure you're okay with aging?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I get saying, yeah, what I've been dying to do more work and all that, but you understand.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sure, but I didn't understand.
[SPEAKER_03]: But can I tell you, I remember this is the first time I was actually in the makeup room when you guys were moving, seeing you guys peeling it off, it was just, oh, it was fascinating.
[SPEAKER_02]: It sounds terrifying, actually.
[SPEAKER_03]: It sounds like we're not.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had made a great fit around his face and I just wish we all had, I'm glad we didn't, but I part of me wishes, you know, we had videos of that because that was, oh yeah, Chrysler's love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, to finish out this wonderful scene between
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... bacon is very important is going to come back later and uh... and court thinks that waste extraction on the night crew must be miserable and rums like no uh... you know i get respect there and uh... i'm rewarded for my hard work
[SPEAKER_02]: And I like Quarks line at the end where he goes, I wish I hadn't brought this up, I think that's very funny.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well actually he says he will be rewarded.
[SPEAKER_05]: He feels that he will be rewarded with for his good work.
[SPEAKER_05]: So that's that's the setup for later.
[SPEAKER_02]: The setup for later, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to the O'Brien's quarters next, the bonsai trees are dead, but Bashir and Miles are freaking out.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're they're looking at this dead, Adrian hybrid bonsai.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles is freaking out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kiko is going to be so mad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Molly comes in.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's even terrified.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mommy's going to be mad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles tries to convince Molly to be the one to deliver the news.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, no, I'm not saying a word.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was very funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Classic comedy bit with the dad trying to get the kid to deliver the news.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Bashir says, it's your birthday.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's not going to be mad at you when your birthday just bring her some
[SPEAKER_02]: Truffles and Miles says why don't you come with me?
[SPEAKER_02]: We can tell her together, but sure because no, I've got surgery Miles asked who he says I don't know but I'll find some one Which I thought was very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a line that that said Bashir just throws away We'll get her you know get her some chocolates and I don't know whether Rosalie was your choice Certainly if some of it was your choice, but but whether was Allen's choice, but in the next scene The eating of the chocolates is quite brilliant
[SPEAKER_01]: The way you use the chocolate to just indicate immediately that you didn't have time for all of this nonsense.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you were just, it's a wrong way to put it, but to forcing yourself from him, that there was a gap that we never seen before.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just a throwaway line.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting some chocolates, but they use those chocolates.
[SPEAKER_01]: You use those chocolates in the next scene to really exemplify that you weren't the cake of that we knew.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that makes me feel better.
[SPEAKER_03]: I saw it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I saw, I've learned how to eat on camera much better.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I'll look at you getting technical and critical.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you're even better now, Bravo to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I'm happy I get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is incredibly a great, great choice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Though, and the way you ate them, that's you.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not Alan.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who decided that you should eat them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, and maybe the script said you ate them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's not it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, quite brilliant.
[SPEAKER_03]: But honestly, I did walk away thinking, boom
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I had learned a lot since then because that, what kind of eating was that?
[SPEAKER_03]: But maybe you're right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I should be kinder to myself.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was probably a choice.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was probably written in, it probably was, yes, but again, it's the way you took what was written in and did it, yeah, thank you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Can I ask you, little Molly, when did she first work with you on TNG?
[SPEAKER_03]: Not TNG, DS9, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: yet a baby.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just remember on DS9 it may have been this episode where she was over it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it was this episode where, um,
[SPEAKER_03]: Allen, like, kept trying to give her toys on a stay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the toys had to get better and better.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: I picked up a little of that in her performance, little Molly.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was a little bit over, but it worked with the story, like I'm not telling mom, but she had a little attitude about it, which was funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: because she wants a bigger and even bigger to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the stuff we're starting out like, oh, here, take a little ball, grab, grab something and then one thing and then the two things got bigger and bigger until like somebody is like, got her story and get a big, I don't do it in her.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, we go to the next scene in the upper pile on Kiko's eating these chocolates that we were just talking about beautifully kind of letting the subtext play through the action was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles is blaming it all on Bashir.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he says, of course, you know, he didn't mean to do it, so he's blaming it on him, but he's also covering.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's still blaming him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but blaming him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's still blaming him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kiko is acting a little odd, I noticed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I thought he was reacting.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're acting in this episode, but in this episode is superb.
[SPEAKER_01]: There isn't a flaw in it anywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a, I'll talk about it later.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have one brief moment that I went that, that is Oscar winning performance.
[SPEAKER_01]: That one little more.
[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't flaw you for anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: As we continue, and I'll say what I'm about to say, but later later.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, she's eating the chocolates.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's playing the sheer and she immediately, she's acting odd.
[SPEAKER_02]: She just dives right in.
[SPEAKER_02]: She tells Miles that whoever this alien being is has taken control of Kiko's body and he's going to have to do exactly as she says or Kiko's dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even as she nibbles at the chocolate.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: But before the dead part, it honestly, Miles thinks this is role play time.
[SPEAKER_05]: He gets it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's what's next, you know?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's all in that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all in that.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's all in that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all in that.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's all in that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all in that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all in that.
[UNKNOWN]: It
[SPEAKER_01]: Every, they really worked out every little nuance for me that every time I thought I could carve, I went, no, I can't, they've already addressed it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, smart writers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now, just to talk about your performance one more time, and I will talk about it a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: What you did, which is so superb, was there's no twisting of mustaches.
[SPEAKER_01]: You simply laid it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: As you nibbled on the chocolate with a big smile, you absolutely convinced me that there were two entities in you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not science fiction, simply that this was a, this was a cakeo that we had never seen before.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yet it laid perfectly on top of the cakeo, because in the moments when you were domestic with miles,
[SPEAKER_01]: that's the cake or we know and that's that's great but in these moments we're just the two of you alone and you're having tetatets it wasn't it wasn't iago it wasn't i'm you know i'm the villain here uh it was just simply you're going to do what i want and smile that i'm which made it even more um terrifying
[SPEAKER_01]: chilling killing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's really nice of you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was interesting that when she's the other entity, she doesn't get mad at him for the things that he thinks she's going to be.
[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the plants, plants mean nothing to the pot-rathed, so, and they do, to Kaka, we've seen enough episodes where, you know, your career is very important to you and the things that you do are very, as they should be, as they should be.
[SPEAKER_01]: But here, that's the surprise, which is what she doesn't care about the plants, because we've seen in other episodes where you are very concerned about
[SPEAKER_05]: But this point in this scene, when you show this other side, honestly, Rosalind, I felt that this could have been this episode could have been a feature film, you know, this could have been a science fiction thriller with you as the lead in it, because it was so gorgeous.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was delicious.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all you guys every morning.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason why you're royalty.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kako decides to demonstrate or this entity decides to demonstrate her power and basically of what's Kako into these convulsions, she collapses, and it just as he goes to call for help, she pops up and says, if you tell anybody, I will kill her for real next time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we know this is this is serious, this takes her time.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's so freaky because she dies.
[SPEAKER_05]: She feels no pulse and right as he hits the combat, she comes right back to us.
[SPEAKER_05]: No miles, you're not telling anybody.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we're like, I mean, everyone's like, what the heck?
[SPEAKER_05]: So anyway, it's great to be here.
[SPEAKER_03]: You do need a little backstory.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm very ticklish.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I need to look.
[SPEAKER_03]: So when he goes to check, it takes everything to not like break.
[SPEAKER_03]: to know.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you came close from having dead face to because of instinct.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have a little time break for our opening titles.
[SPEAKER_02]: We come back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Her nose is bleeding now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles wants to speak to Kaco and this entity says, well, Kaco can hear everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's
[SPEAKER_02]: you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's not dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's in there somewhere, but she, but I'm in control.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, tell me what you want me to do so we can just get this over with.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he does say here, I'm not going to put anyone in jeopardy on this station.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's important.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he agrees to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: As long as no one's in jeopardy, they head to a lift.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's still eating the chocolates here.
[SPEAKER_02]: She says she wants him to reconfigure some communication sensors and relays.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not a big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: But she won't tell them why.
[SPEAKER_02]: and they get in the turbo lift.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, well, this could take some time.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of relays and she says, look, I know you're trying to stall and buy some time to, you know, they can catch me.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you try anything, I only need a split second, a fraction of a second, and I can kill KKO.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't take long.
[SPEAKER_02]: He better hurry up and reconfigure these things.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's how we end that scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I love the chocolates, your right arm, and the chocolate sort of the domestic kind of enjoyment of these chocolates against the high stakes in the drama of everything else was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: To me, the threat of killing Kaco is as frightening as any space battle that I see in these episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because, I mean, it's obvious that you can do it, and that you can just kill an entity, a human being, and that was terrifying.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the writers, I also love the way the writers said, I know what you're thinking.
[SPEAKER_01]: That never happens.
[SPEAKER_03]: when they talked about his eyebrows furlough.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they were able to pull a last, the two cakeos.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: The other take-o-nose can read his face and the other one can read it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Incredibly good writing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good writing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I do like how the original, they changed the original story idea.
[SPEAKER_05]: They were going to have CACO go to this random planet on a botanical mission and a non-corporeal being escort her back to the station and keeps her hostage, basically.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's outside of her body, he's not in her body.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so then they were like, yeah, let's actually tie in beige or and the whole caves because they've already established these fire caves having parrace or entities before.
[SPEAKER_05]: So they felt let's just make it more deus 90 and then pull it away from.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, and disclaimer, the parrace become not extremely important, but become important as the seasons go by.
[SPEAKER_05]: Those wellers, those wellers, but they do repair evidently.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so we go to a Brian's quarters, Miles has worked on how to buy past the security.
[SPEAKER_02]: While Miles is working, she notices his brow is tightened, and this is where she says, you know, what do you want to ask me?
[SPEAKER_02]: So like you were describing before, it's the real cakeos knowledge and you know, intimate knowledge of him, mixed with this entities,
[SPEAKER_02]: using that knowledge.
[SPEAKER_02]: So only a wife would notice that kind of detail.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to ask me a question or a DAX for that matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bashira arrives though.
[SPEAKER_02]: He brings a replacement plant for for Kaco.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then she asks if he's coming to the party tonight.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Julian says, yeah, I thought it was a surprise.
[SPEAKER_02]: The surprise is out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bashira leaves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles says, you know, we should cancel this party.
[SPEAKER_02]: we shouldn't do this, and Kego or the entity says, nope, that would be suspicious.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have to do this surprise party.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was an interesting scene because you see the entity sort of using Kego's knowledge of the look on his face for some to get a leg up.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you also see her using that knowledge about the surprise party in completely and sort of spoiling a surprise.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was a little bit of,
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this could, to me at least, I saw, maybe this could backfire.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think she lost anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was manipulative on the parrots side that she, that she was going to use, party, of two her own ends.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't think that she slipped.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was just the chess move that was overlooked, perhaps.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, interesting.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: It later we hear that the parrathes are basically disgraced false gods that were tossed out of the wormhole, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: That they're not really profits.
[SPEAKER_05]: But yet, for this entity to be able to overtake Kko's body and also know her thoughts and everything, very sophisticated.
[SPEAKER_05]: So to me, I was like, ah, that's the only thing where I nitpicked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Garrett, we have a character that does that already.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, DAX has access to all the memories of all the bodies that that DAX hasn't has been part of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we, we know that's capable because because for five seasons, that's what the DAX character is.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: I just felt like the way they described the power is later.
[SPEAKER_05]: It didn't seem like they had that capability to be so DAXy, I guess, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: But maybe if they're doing kind of a DAX move, they're taking over a body like this and they're having the same kind of skills or experience, I guess, possibly.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this is kind of unacting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did we know that then?
[SPEAKER_03]: We were so young that we didn't get that this is fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think part of it was fun for me a lot of it was work.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, because you were in it, of course, so much, and for such a long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Colin now has done, that's as you have, but Colin has done five years, and he's not to mention how many years of TNG that he did.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like like Hanna, he must have had some feelings of, you know, it's getting to be a slog.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, as his work wife that I was friend, I could tell I was in the morning,
[SPEAKER_03]: a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know, as a day went on, great.
[SPEAKER_03]: But what was hard about Deep Space Nine is that it was so dark, everything lighting, everything is dark.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that that's light in the building on the set is, you know, I think that also,
[SPEAKER_03]: is at the long hours.
[SPEAKER_03]: That combined is, you know, it's quite a marathon acting job, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're touching a good point, Ross.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's so many elements that sort of create that cocktail of culture on a show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of it's just the storytelling and the physical world, if it's a dark set, it's a dark place, or the content of the story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of it is the way that the number one behaves in that set's tone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of it is often, and I'm just talking generally.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of it is the way the show runners kind of
[SPEAKER_02]: nurture or lack of nurture the cast and you know what I mean and connect because I've been on some shows for like when we finish everybody's in tears I mean I did resident alien for five years and the last day of that show was so profound we had two of our indigenous actors doing a ceremony
[SPEAKER_02]: people were crying and deeply moved and connected to that show.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's another show where it's like, see ya, thank you, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I think there's a lot of things that go into it, I guess.
[SPEAKER_03]: The story lines were a little bit darker, except for that's why this was such a pleasure when it starts out with that scene between you and Max, between Arman and Max.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was
[SPEAKER_03]: We realize that this show was actually quite, it was very funny.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Did you already talk about Bashir coming in and all that stuff or no?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: What did he say?
[SPEAKER_05]: What did he mouth to a Brian?
[SPEAKER_05]: Kaka walks crosses past him and he goes, he does this like, oh, he said she's not mad or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is she okay or something?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's what he was.
[SPEAKER_03]: I often didn't get to be with everyone I remember if that was, you know, lovely.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, definitely.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's so awesome that you finally got to interact with all the characters, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we go to the Ward Room next.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ram is arrived in the Ward Room.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the Swing Shift crew that we're going to meet.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's two humans.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's some kind of alien and a bajoran woman.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're kind of grumpy this Swing Shift.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not very friendly to him.
[SPEAKER_05]: and he's trying so hard to fit it.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's really trying everything.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I'll have a rock to do you know that's what you guys drink on this shift like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just like okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very clever.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Alan Craig or did a beautiful job of sort of, um, opening max up to see this group with their, you know, their backs to us and max being so open, romping so open.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, he's the bright light in the room where he's the rest of the
[SPEAKER_03]: And the way he looked down on him too, also he was great, it made me really, I mean, you emphasized with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you cast Max Gerdensheck, you're going to empathize with the characters that he's playing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: The two of you together will run.
[SPEAKER_05]: Roms line when he says, I'll have a ractor genome.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not like this on the night shift.
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't drink ractor genome.
[SPEAKER_05]: We really don't drink anything.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then Wattley says fascinating.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I kept thinking, they should have made this guy a Vulcan.
[SPEAKER_05]: Why, you're to give him the Vulcan line, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: So I kept thinking that was like, you're giving Vulcan lines to human, you guys spoke.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway,
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Miles calls in to this swing shift to give them their assignments.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says he's going to work alone today, recalibrating the electronic phase shifters on level five.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rahm offers to do it though.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, I'll do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love, I love electronic phase shifters.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles says, no, no, I'll do it myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: He gives out other assignments and says, don't disturb me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm working alone today, don't disturb.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we know what's going on here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know what was going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's what I didn't understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not that I have a fall for it, but I went, well that's interesting because normally, 99% of the time, miles would have walked into the room and told them this, why is it on a video?
[SPEAKER_01]: And all I can think of, and God knows Rosalind, you must have encountered it, that he was in Ireland that day or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so he couldn't do it, so they shot it later that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, strange.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Bob said he was doing at the time of Deep Space Nine.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that was part of his contract.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he was allowed to go out and do the commitments and other films.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure there were times when they called you up and said we have to move the shoot date.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not here.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not in the States.
[SPEAKER_03]: That happened a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did it not happen for you?
[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't, I'm surprised.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it didn't happen for me, but I could see how it would happen a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I think I can't remember the number, but I do remember his deal with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they really had to work around him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they did what that had that deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Am I right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I didn't have a deal, but I had the same situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Non-deverable.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, wasn't in writing by any means, but they worked around my work schedule.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then let's you go to Buffy.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's really a great thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it wasn't easy.
[SPEAKER_05]: After Miles gives the instruction not to bother him on video.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he's up in, I guess that's a Jeffrey's tube.
[SPEAKER_05]: And he asked the computer where is Kko.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, goes in the quarters, and this is when he starts asking the computer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, there's a card writing that little question.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because then I would have said, I would have crippled, that's when the first, where I would have crippled and said, he shouldn't, he shouldn't ask the computer because he can be overheard.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he checked first to make sure that she wasn't around very smart.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, you also asked the computer to initiate a full identity scan of cake of a Brian, just to make sure that it's really her, maybe it's a clone who knows identity confirmed everything's good.
[SPEAKER_05]: So then he starts going through all these different scenarios that is ahead of how to doop the entity.
[SPEAKER_05]: How are we going to get this entity out of her body?
[SPEAKER_05]: And the computer's like, okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: if you did this it'll take this money this this much time and in his back of his mind he's hearing that it's going to take a fraction of a second to kill kko to cause a brain aneurysm or whatever so every single solution he comes through can't do a stasis field and that's the teen gas cannot do that one point four seconds and then phaser even a phaser is still
[SPEAKER_05]: 0.9 seconds.
[SPEAKER_05]: So that's almost a full second and that is not a fraction of a second.
[SPEAKER_05]: So whatever he tries, cake will die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you said, Armin, smart writing because they covered this issue.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there a way out?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: She can kill Keiko faster than any of the ways he could take care of her first.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was AI before AI, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: We have kind of, I mean, it was a computer that could, yeah, genius, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: A lot of the stuff that we see tech stuff in Star Trek ends up manifesting in real life.
[SPEAKER_05]: But the funny thing is the pads, like we've had those pads now, we have my pads everywhere.
[SPEAKER_05]: But back then, nobody had a pad like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: The funny thing, Ross, is that there is an episode where you and Brian,
[SPEAKER_05]: are going on a vacation.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're in the shuttle to go somewhere and he brings work with him.
[SPEAKER_05]: Instead of one pad, he's got 15 of them because they didn't predict data storage very well, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: So you don't need 15 pads to get 15 manuals of work to look at.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was the all of them on one pad.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, one pad is so good.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Will I be the technical advisors name Andre Barmonis?
[SPEAKER_03]: Came up with the
[SPEAKER_03]: the pad.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's Asian American, um, Oh, good.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I remember walking with him from the set and saying, it's so weird that you guys have me doing this because I always wanted to push and it's, well, no pushing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'd be like, what do I do?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I've never taken one of the set and he's like, just moved like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like,
[SPEAKER_02]: He knew.
[SPEAKER_02]: He predicted it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: He knew it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to the party next.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles arrives late because he was working and trying to figure out how to kill this entity.
[SPEAKER_02]: He arrives a little late.
[SPEAKER_02]: The party's going, uh, Kiko Molly come out singing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they don't sing happy birthday they sing for he's jolly good fellow because royalties back that we could we could never sing happy birthday Do you remember that?
[SPEAKER_03]: I do remember them saying why are we saying now the birthday and they said kids a class didn't much
[SPEAKER_02]: that trademark or copyright or whatever has expired.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now people can sing happy birthday, but back in the 90s, it costs too much money.
[SPEAKER_02]: So nobody sang happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're at the party.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're singing for his jug of fellow DAX arrives.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cisco tells miles that he seems a little preoccupied.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cisco notices this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which this starts a problem for this episode for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I
[SPEAKER_02]: and I may be jumping to the end, but I just wanted to bring it up now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cisco, when he said, you've seen preoccupied.
[SPEAKER_02]: This seemed to be the beginning of what I thought was, Cisco, and Odo, and everyone being suspicious, but we don't really, even at the very end, they seem completely dumb.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will disagree with that, because there is a scene where they are suspicious.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about two thirds of the way through.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think every new the ending of the episode and was already playing it in this scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, as I said to you, Rosalind, I will quibble about certain performances.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Avery was jumping the gun.
[SPEAKER_01]: As he does, there's a major thing where he does at the end, which I'll talk about.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think he's read the ending and he's playing that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, please don't, you know, it's what they say to all actors.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't play the end of the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Miles says he's fine, nothing to worry about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jake and Odo are discussing the parrathes, the supernatural beings that live in caves, and Jake wants to see them some day.
[SPEAKER_02]: We learn, so Miles comes over.
[SPEAKER_02]: He overhears this.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's very anxious because they're talking to Kaco or the entity.
[SPEAKER_02]: He keeps trying to talk to Kaco, but she says, not now, Miles, not now.
[SPEAKER_02]: He ends up breaking the
[SPEAKER_02]: And he yells to the room, I'm fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing to worry about, I'm fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of loses his temper and Kako says, come with me and take some out of the room.
[SPEAKER_02]: Seems to me, like they should all be suspicious of miles in the scene, he's acting so out of character.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a flaw for this episode for me is everyone seems to not really be reacting
[SPEAKER_02]: to the way that Miles is behaving in this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's I jumped to the sunset, maybe they saw, I don't know where I got this, but maybe it's not that they were having marital problems, so we're trying to back off.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, I'd buy it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish there had been a scene about that, like more explicit to let everybody off the hook because otherwise, he's just acting really out of character to me and no one seems to
[SPEAKER_02]: take it very seriously like they do often in other episodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: They pick up on the tiniest clue and well we're having breaks the glass.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody reacts accordingly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone says there's something wrong here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe Alan held it off until that moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, we go inside the bedroom, Kiko's treating his cut.
[SPEAKER_02]: She says, get a hold of yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Give him, she's getting tough with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tough cop time.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, look, I did what you asked and I just gave me back my wife.
[SPEAKER_02]: She says, oh, that, that was just a test.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tomorrow's the real work.
[SPEAKER_02]: You pass, but tomorrow's the real work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And let's go back to the party.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't want anybody to be suspicious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Smile.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we have domestic tranquility.
[SPEAKER_03]: The reaction, I read it that, oh, look, they're so brilliant at like kind of, you know, that shut down.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it's because, well, Armin, you probably feel it's like, if you've just been to England, I'm married to an Englishman, you know, they just shut down if something's awkward.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's like a, as if nothing happened here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Stiffel for lip.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we have a little time cut after that scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: The parties over.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're cleaning up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is my biggest nitpick armament of this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is they're cleaning up.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's putting the salad bowl in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the salad is completely empty.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the cake was only half eaten.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, they would eat the whole cake.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is wrong with these people?
[SPEAKER_02]: They ate salad and not cake.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, I know you're not picking right there, Robbie, but they were talking about this dish, this caparel, but you know, cake was made.
[SPEAKER_05]: Everyone was dying to come eat this dish.
[SPEAKER_05]: So maybe they stuffed their belly so full.
[SPEAKER_05]: They didn't have enough room for cake.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's not so big.
[SPEAKER_05]: Why waste all that food?
[SPEAKER_05]: I know, but what the heck is Caparl?
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't even know what it is.
[SPEAKER_05]: Does anyone know what a arman?
[SPEAKER_05]: What does it sound like a familiar?
[SPEAKER_05]: They all talk about it like it's it's turkey and stuffing like it's a normal dish.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I would never heard it in the first episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's my heart of cake, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know what cake is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't know what was in that cake.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you don't know what was in that cake.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, well, the salad was very popular, cake was clearly not.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to remind her, say that one more time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles demands to know what she wants and she yells that she makes the rules.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was a great moment, Rose, when you were like, I make the rules here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now relax, you, oh, it was great, took charge.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says he wants to sleep on the couch, he says no, you have to do things like you always do it, sleep in bed, to made it incredibly Iki.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was wonderfully, wonderfully Iki.
[SPEAKER_02]: But before he goes to bed, he tries to find out, he's just, he's thinking about this power a thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they ask, he asked the computer, how many records about power rates and there's over 6,000 entries.
[SPEAKER_02]: read this right now before bed and caco calls him or the entity calls from the other room get in here so we know that this power a thing is in his mind but he's not sure what how it can help.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now we're in bed out of all the scenes that we shot.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember this one the most clearly because I had a cold and it reminds me of how well calm and I get along.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_03]: Every time between shots, I would, you know, have to blow my nose and he was just like, oh god, how does Simon, how does he tolerate this?
[SPEAKER_03]: I really do love Colby.
[SPEAKER_03]: We had so much fun working together.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's this shot or I think it's this shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: where he wakes up a week there, where he wakes up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they go to sleep, and the camera kind of goes over their bodies and these launches for Rosalind, he goes for take-a-go, and she knows what he's thinking.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you give this inigmatic smile.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is what I mentioned earlier, that for me, that smile, that moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: was breathtaking.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the one I think you should win the Academy Award for.
[SPEAKER_01]: That smile said everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Included the line that comes next, it included the past, what had happened in the episode already.
[SPEAKER_01]: It included your domestic, the very thing you're talking about, your relationship between the two characters and the two actors.
[SPEAKER_01]: That smile, I would give anything to have that on my resume.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was brilliant.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, honestly don't you feel this you guys must all feel this that when you're open and you're working with people that you can be open with your best stuff comes through you're it's not even planned, you know, everything
[SPEAKER_03]: subconscious comes out at everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just everything's so easy, you know, and that was a perfect storm in a positive way that, you know, in the working with lovely people, the director was lovely, the writing was good.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it was made everything easier and it gave you an opportunity to stretch your stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's going to be.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Miles says that Molly's going to stay with the Davises until this is all over, and she says, you know, I would never hurt Molly, unless you force me to.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a moment, Armin, where there could have been mustache twirling and there wasn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was not.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a great example of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just the facts.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what made it more terrifying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really good.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's good directing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, she hands him a pad with instructions of what to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't hand him 15 pads.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's just one.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we cut out to the quarter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles asked the computer to locate Cisco.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll computer says Cisco's insecurity.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we go to the promenade.
[SPEAKER_02]: He steps milestones out of the turbo lift.
[SPEAKER_02]: He sees Cisco and Auto coming out of security.
[SPEAKER_02]: He starts to approach.
[SPEAKER_02]: Looks like he's going to tell them when Kaco calls miles.
[SPEAKER_02]: We see Kaco up above on the balcony.
[SPEAKER_02]: and she collapses falls over the rail and hits the floor down below, not down.
[SPEAKER_02]: You damn entity, you parade, evil parade.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember that stunt?
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember standing up on the sink, but I don't remember them filming the stunt or anything.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because you weren't there, your double was there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but the double looked good is what I was saying.
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was a good one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I went back and froze it, tried to see, like, how close was the double, it was a good double.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a very good match.
[SPEAKER_02]: It happened so fast, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is a scene where seeing Odo and Cisco coming out of security in the way they sort of looked, again, I thought, are they clocking miles and being secretive, like, how much
[SPEAKER_02]: did they suspect him of something?
[SPEAKER_02]: And it just is not clear in the whole episode to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not clear.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's not to be like that, you know, almost like layers upon like we don't know what's they've been discussing at
[SPEAKER_01]: play it either way yeah I really thought of this episode like a Ludlum novel that was layers upon layers and that going in one direction in his way you think that the reader thinks it's going and then all of a sudden that door is closed and they have to figure out what to do next.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really did think of this as a Ludlum episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it also is is that I guess a bit of who's point of view are we in if we're in miles point of view Right, then he may be interpreting them stepping out as oh, they know there's something wrong You know if we're in his point of view Whereas I felt like we were never in Cisco or auto's point of view usually went auto approaches Cisco usually in most episodes There is something wrong
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's his job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oto's job is to tell Cisco about dangerous insecurity.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go to commercial back in the old days.
[SPEAKER_02]: We come back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oto and Cisco are in the infirmary.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're asking miles what he saw.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, this is the scene where I thought they might be a little suspicious.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is right.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the one where I thought they were suspicious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it didn't pay, oh yeah, anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why it bugged me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I want more clarity on where Cisco and Oda, what they know and we never quite got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they seem suspicious, they ask him what he saw.
[SPEAKER_02]: He kind of avoids answering directly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bashir arrived says she's gonna be okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: She has a broken femur, that's a big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: in a hairline fracture of something, but she was lucky, and Miles says he wants to see her, and Bashir says not now, and then Sisko off-camera says, doctor, sort of telling Bashir, it's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he allows Miles to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was that scene where I was like, are they trying to kind of bait Miles or, I don't know, something about everyone's behavior seemed off to me in this scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because I know of the friendship between column and avery, and because I know of the friendship that I've seen for five seasons between O'Brien and I just thought it's his wife.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to talk to his wife.
[SPEAKER_01]: I lost a wife, let him speak to his wife.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all I thought when I was watching.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Miles goes into the infirmary, goes to her.
[SPEAKER_02]: She says she knew all along that he was going to tell Cisco in Odo, and she knows everything that a wife would know.
[SPEAKER_02]: So again, she's got Cacos...
[SPEAKER_02]: radar with this entity's evil plans and she says how much more do you think that the cake was body can take so it's the rat here no more tricks no more secrets he agrees he says he needs 36 hours to do all this stuff on the patch he says you've got 13 hours not a minute more
[SPEAKER_02]: And I did like Miles's when he goes, you bloody.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're very authentic.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're so dirty in the morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: But she arrives in the background.
[SPEAKER_02]: She pulls him in tight for a kiss.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we end the scene with, she kind of references Molly, tell her mommy's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't scare her miles.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really good writing.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't need any of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: really for the plot.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't really.
[SPEAKER_01]: But but between the good writing and the wonderful performance, it's just Iki.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's not only playing from miles, Kiko's not only playing from miles, but playing for everybody in the room.
[SPEAKER_01]: And indeed playing for everybody who's watching it as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next scene, we go back out to the promenade.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles asked the computer as he's exiting the sick bay or infirmary there.
[SPEAKER_02]: He asked the computer for a 13 hour countdown.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now we've put a clock on it, which I love in this story that now there's a taking clock.
[SPEAKER_02]: Worf stops him offers anything he can do to help.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles says, I wish there was something you could do, but no, and he heads off to stay on schedule.
[SPEAKER_01]: My one nitpick with that scene is, he's just set the clock 13 hours, Warf gets his residual scene, and I wanted Alan to have a Brian moving.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't want him to take a moment to stay and talk to work when he's just realized I only have 13 hours left.
[SPEAKER_02]: He adds off to Stan's schedule.
[SPEAKER_02]: We cut inside this conduit.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a very tight conduit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rom pops in in the background.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love pop ends.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, I finished my work super fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a schedule.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he does mention here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody ever talks to me so that's why I can work so fast because they kind of ignore me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I work a lot faster than they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this gives miles an idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna make some modifications, but you can't say a word to anybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's super secret.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Ram is a pro.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says his lips are sealed.
[SPEAKER_02]: He mentions, he won't even, he says nobody will get anything out of me, not even my name.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if I insist, Ram, everybody knows your name.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he goes, right, but I won't confirm it.
[SPEAKER_02]: When did we start?
[SPEAKER_02]: Very funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, all back was made it's even better, even later on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Max is so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unbelievable, good, good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like you, he and Armvent should do a play together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you ever done a play together?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you ever do a play together?
[SPEAKER_01]: On cruises, we've done scenes together, but no.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we used to, no, the answer is no.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've never done a play together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Never done a full-on play.
[SPEAKER_03]: Waiting for good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that would be a great play for you guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad that we have these scenes of of your work really good stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to cargo bay next.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a working montage miles and wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: working, cutting around the ship in hallways and places when excellent cutting actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and beautifully built montage.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, Alan Craker is just showing what a great director he is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to ops, a Brian's working down in the pit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dax interrupts him.
[SPEAKER_02]: She says, you know, I couldn't sleep and I decided to scan the wormhole for anomalies because that's what you do at 3 a.m.
[SPEAKER_02]: and she says, I found something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, if you see some of these changes and realizes she thinks there might be a saboteur and I love this scene the way it moved around.
[SPEAKER_02]: She gets the chiefs, she gets miles, brings him up, they move from one place to another,
[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't have to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like this is a perfect example of Allen, Allen's direction style, because she could have just popped over in a single, hey, I think there's a saboteur.
[SPEAKER_02]: He could have stayed down in the pit, but instead they move all around.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's beautifully, beautifully done.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like the Ludlam reference that I made before, I would have started to ask myself, really, that doing all these modifications and nobody's noticing it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody notices it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody has to deal with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, great.
[SPEAKER_01]: That takes the quibble away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that she said that it was calming for her to do the work too.
[SPEAKER_03]: That didn't make it fishy because we all do things weird things that are calming.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I scroll Zillow.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's very calming for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love Zillow.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very calming.
[SPEAKER_03]: It does.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like Zillow too, but not at the morning, but that's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to the ward room, Cisco, Odo, DAX are there, they've got miles.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're all looking at these alterations, these tiny fluctuations.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles says the changes don't seem to pose any harm to the station.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he said, like he promised, I'm not going to pose any risk.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Cisco doesn't let it go.
[SPEAKER_02]: He goes, yeah, maybe not yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they start to brainstorm about who might be doing this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, a shout out to Alan Craker, Miles walks over to the window.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the odd man out here looking at the window while they brainstorm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Notice that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So good.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has a lovely shot, which I had a problem with in another episode, but and there's she didn't bother me of the four people in the shot together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not shoulder to shoulder.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was different.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yet it was the four people and I thought, oh, the last time I saw this, I didn't like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This one I like.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It felt organic to this story.
[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't feel forced in terms of the physicality of the actor.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it might be someone who's been here awhile.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're kind of getting on his trail a little.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, someone like him.
[SPEAKER_02]: They mentioned the maintenance crew.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Cisco calls for miles.
[SPEAKER_02]: What does he think?
[SPEAKER_02]: And Miles is not even paying attention.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's staring at the window.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's when Miles gets a call from Molly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he goes over to have this private call.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not just Molly.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Molly and Kiko.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kiko says Molly asked for her.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so she came to see her.
[SPEAKER_02]: She says Miles has worked to do exactly two hours, 22 minutes and 13 seconds.
[SPEAKER_02]: to be precise.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the writers twisting their mustings.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles returns over to Cisco and says, I think I know who the saboteur may be.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's how we end this scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have an idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, what did you think of that?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know who he's going to nominate as the senator.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought what a horrible man you are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: What a horrible man you are.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've set this poor innocent person up.
[SPEAKER_03]: He did it so well that I assumed that he was going to step in and save him at the last minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't really.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it doesn't really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wrong saves him by the way, wrong is loyal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is what I think is good writing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: on our show was no one was completely heroic.
[SPEAKER_01]: No one was completely bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: There were shades of gray.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is showing a Brian, the much put up on, Miles of Brian, when his family's at risk, he is capable of doing outrageously bad things.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's only human.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they didn't protect him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had the opportunity to tell them while they're all standing in the room.
[SPEAKER_01]: He could have said, it's me, I'm doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't do the heroic thing or what we think of as heroic.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did the human thing, which was blame it on somebody else, which is already done with Bashir by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's thrown everybody out of the bus.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not the perfect starfleet TNG starfleet.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's only human.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that a great deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although I felt really not angry but bitter towards the character that just pushing my brother under the bus.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we know he's doing it to save Kko, but it seems selfish.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it seems cruel.
[SPEAKER_02]: to, you know, he's not willing to sacrifice his wife, but he's willing to sacrifice Rome.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, you're still nothing but been helpful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And has been underappreciated all this time?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we cut out to the corridor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Robbs working on a panel, Odo grabs him.
[SPEAKER_02]: We see Odo's hand come in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles is blaming him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the looks between them are loaded.
[SPEAKER_02]: You see the shame in the guilt on Miles.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you see Rome.
[SPEAKER_02]: hopeful that he was told the truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the only flaw in columns performance for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did not want to see the shame.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're shamed about it, say something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't give me a look that says, I feel really badly about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm doing it anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really wanted him to stick by his guns and just be.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want him to be heroic.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got lots of episodes and lots of other things to do where he can be heroic.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is when he's just pushed a naive character under the bus.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's pushed a child, a child like quality under the bus.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now he's pretending he's giving me, I'm really sorry I'm doing this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's other people around.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's true, that's a good point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he would have covered.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: He would have been smarter if he had played it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely the way that someone who a starfleet person who thinks that's the bad guy wouldn't have shame or power.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if that's the kind of moment where I think Alan Craker
[SPEAKER_02]: could have gotten some options.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if he did.
[SPEAKER_02]: They may have chosen this one.
[SPEAKER_03]: It involves this one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe one never knows, but you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we cut to a holding cell.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ram's in a cell.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it says he barely even embedded his name, which not what's the
[SPEAKER_01]: But he has been under interrogation for 40 minutes, I think he says, for the first 40 minutes, it was like pulling teeth to even get him to admit his name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's, it's funny, of course, but he's been in under interrogation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ron can't really stand up to interrogation.
[SPEAKER_01]: This has got to be very painful for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: We make a joke of it, and it is a joke, and it's very funny, and I'm glad the writers did that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we have to understand what Rob's coming from, which is that he's been standing up for what he thinks is right and he's undergoing pain for O'Brien and O'Brien is not bailing him out when when Rob and O'Brien both know that he's totally innocent Yeah, he's the real victim and forgive me.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is me saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, throw the pharyngey under the bus
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we never liked Franky anyway from under the bus because if you look at all the episodes He's not very fond of the pharyngey Thomao, it's just a pharyngey Thomao under the bus Yeah Yeah, I didn't like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm with you, Arman.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did not like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish that there was explicit sort of acknowledgement And it's sort of implied by the
[SPEAKER_02]: Promotions and things.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's implied, but it's not explicit.
[SPEAKER_02]: After wrote a saysy barely admitted, his name rom says I'm only going to speak to miles.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Cisco says, well, go get him, go get miles.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they call miles to come down.
[SPEAKER_02]: We see miles in the quarter, trying to finish up.
[SPEAKER_02]: He had 13 hours, he tells Odo, okay, I'm on my way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then he tells the computer, 36, asks the computer how much time, he's only got 36 minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he says computer, you know, finished what I was working on, he tells the computer scramble security channels.
[SPEAKER_02]: and he heads out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Down at the holding cell, he arrives.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ram says, I'll only talk to it if we're alone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ram says he can say quiet basically, but he's got one question.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, why are they trying to turn the station into a giant cronoton array and destroy the wormhole?
[SPEAKER_02]: What, that's where we go out to commercial.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a big aha moment for the audience, you know, and Rome says it flippantly like, oh, this was easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was an easy puzzle to put out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why didn't Miles see this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles says, I thought the crime is not being was harmless.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rome says, well, not to a wormhole alien.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's deadly to humans.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's harmless, but to
[SPEAKER_02]: to wormhole aliens, it's deadly, and Miles gets it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He explains, Rom explains the Bajorn mythology that Lida has taught him, so a little bit, we get here that he and Lida are getting closer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what we learn is the Power Aeth were cast out by the prophets that they were banished and Miles realizes they're trying to kill the prophets in the worm.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is where Rom also sees Miles was lying to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, it's not a secret Starfleet mission, is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: And Miles says, just, please play along a little bit longer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't say anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Ramagree's, he says, I'm quarks brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know the role.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that was so good because it also made me realize that everybody discounts him as being, you know, the dim bulb, but actually,
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not, obviously, in this episode, he knows more than miles, but he also admits that this is what he does to the role.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quarks been underestimating.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so has O'Brien, O'Brien's been keeping him in the night shift where he's been fixing the toilets and he's realizing that, you know, this guy's a real engineer and how many times does that happen?
[SPEAKER_01]: The outside of someone convinces us of our opinion towards them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Only to find out later on, oh, Moon is much more to them than what I thought at first.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a good thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also the sibling, the fact that your sibling relationship must have been such that he was used to being the younger brother.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we see that in other societies where the older brother gets all the property, all the rights, everything, and the younger brother has to fend for himself and has to count out to his older brother.
[SPEAKER_01]: We see that.
[SPEAKER_01]: but quarks no hero either so um you know he's been he's been maliciously treating Ron badly for years and we're seeing the emergence of Ron as an entity unto himself and I'm spoiler alert here um we're going to see more of that as a years go by oh spoiler alert I like a spoiler alert
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, Miles is running to finish this up.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's asked to computer how much time, 12 minutes, 22 seconds, taking clocks.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it taking clocks.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go back to a corridor, auto tracks miles to panel, autos onto him basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's too many system failures, system overrides.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles tries some cover stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: Autos says, enough, tell me the truth.
[SPEAKER_02]: You clearly are lying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles knocks him out with a punch to the face to the jaw.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to ask Rosalind the question.
[SPEAKER_01]: What did you think of that that he could knock auto app?
[SPEAKER_03]: I did find that surprising, but like you had said earlier that desperate, you know, situations called for a desperate match, it was bizarre to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it would have been bizarre to me, too, if I hadn't been watching on this podcast, if I hadn't been watching all the episodes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I see.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I asked you and not the others.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so they're, and they have that dynamic.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they don't, but when he got knocked out, I went, what?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I went, oh, yeah, he's human.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a solid.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so he was made human, but he basically inadvertently killed another shapeshifter, which is never happened since the dawn of time.
[SPEAKER_05]: So on trial, in a prior episode, the founders basically made him human.
[SPEAKER_05]: at least go over it to be knocked out yeah and that that's what first I went what no that's that's just the no he's not a shapeshifter on one arm and I did the same thing I said you can't hit Odo like oh yeah he's not a shapeshifter he's a seasa human being oh I'll have to watch this is a good show
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm telling you, you're so obsessed with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Miles knocks him out.
[SPEAKER_02]: He calls Kiko.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, meet me at the runabout.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tells her, he knows her plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which to me, I'm like, why are you telling her that?
[SPEAKER_03]: And he too, he could kill her in a second.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but he says, I know your plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care about the profits.
[SPEAKER_02]: So clearly he does know her plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's telling her, I know what you're going to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want my wife back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he says, I know you need me to pilot you through the wormhole.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she says, OK, I'll meet you there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what actually is smart, if him to say, I know your plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a good move, but it first sort of surprised.
[SPEAKER_01]: So why would she agree to go with him in the shuttle?
[SPEAKER_02]: Inside the runabout, Miles says he wants to test some magnetic constrictors, so that's why Dax clears him to the part.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Dax asks about his birthday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you have fun?
[SPEAKER_02]: He goes, you know, it was full of surprises.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Terry's reading of this, again, I'm gonna go back to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: She says, yeah, I like that too.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of coy, and I was like, are they on to him?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, I know, answer this.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do they know?
[SPEAKER_02]: But we don't ever really get an answer.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love Terry, that really made me miss Terry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he gets in position.
[SPEAKER_02]: He activates the station changes.
[SPEAKER_02]: We see a great shot of all this electricity.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks like one of those balls used to get it Spencer Gifts where you put your little static electricity ball.
[SPEAKER_02]: Looks like a lot of electricity dancing around the station.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dax jumps up, Cisco runs out of his office.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dax says, what the hell we see at the run about they're targeting the wormhole.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eccaco says, or the entity says, I've waited centuries for this fire.
[SPEAKER_02]: It hits, but it shoots out of the station, but instead of going to the wormhole, it hits the, the, the, the right amount.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, no, but then I remembered wrongs smart thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: This doesn't hurt humans.
[SPEAKER_02]: It only
[SPEAKER_02]: these gods.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Kaco inside is spasming.
[SPEAKER_02]: You suffer very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wrote down she suffers good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ross, good suffering.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was another gigally moment that in rehearsing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like you guys know this anytime like yet to sit in a, um, I don't know, transporters, something you had to go like this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that was one of those definitely.
[SPEAKER_00]: You did it well.
[SPEAKER_00]: You did it so well.
[SPEAKER_00]: We fought it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Suffers, suffers good, falls down.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll Brian jumps down to her cake.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, go.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we see Ros, your eyes open up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's the real cake of miles.
[SPEAKER_02]: The soft, wonderful warm loving cake.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that we know well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, we cut to an airlock, a little time-cut.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles and Kako are coming out and, uh, did you notice Odo in the background?
[SPEAKER_02]: Rubbing his jaw.
[SPEAKER_01]: Too much Renee, too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Too much a little indicated image.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, but I caught it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I caught it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles and Kako come out, uh, Cisco says, Chief, you've got some explaining to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what does he do after he says that?
[SPEAKER_02]: He walks away.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does walk away.
[SPEAKER_01]: But before he walks away, as he's saying you have some explaining to do, there's a smile on his face.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and I thought that's every reading the script and not playing the moment because if there's explaining to be done and they've caught him in sabotage, I don't care how friendly they are.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been down on everybody else when there's been explaining to do why does a Brian get off the hook?
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he knows that it's going to be, he knows what's coming and I thought some explaining to do fine just don't smile.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't tell me that it's going to be fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's part of my issue with the rest of the characters, the vagueness around the rest of the characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't recall the smile, but I'm sure I noticed it because it
[SPEAKER_02]: were they suspicious, were they tracking him?
[SPEAKER_02]: Was there some other secret investigation that they were apart?
[SPEAKER_02]: I just didn't, it was confusing to me.
[SPEAKER_05]: But the confusion also works for this episode in a way, if you don't let it pull you out.
[SPEAKER_05]: So tonally, maybe in a way.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love your concept that it was almost like a rashiman in our way.
[SPEAKER_03]: On each group had a different storyline, but we just weren't seeing the other storyline.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, that sort of works in the miles where his headspace was in terms of his paranoia and things, but as an audience member, I was very confused about Dax's point of view about Cisco's point of view about Worf's point of view when Worf came in and said, let me help you.
[SPEAKER_02]: It felt like they all knew more than they had all read the script.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they were all playing the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: We know this cool story as opposed to just playing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, playing, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Simplicity.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to the O'Brien's quarters.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love this wrap around shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alan, Craig, or such good work as Kiko's talking about what she remembers.
[SPEAKER_02]: wraps all the way around falls into some coverage.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was very simple but elegant and great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kiko talks about how she could kind of hear things but it was like being stuck in sand and squeezed and she had feelings but not.
[SPEAKER_02]: details.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to read after that scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have to be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that well, baby?
[SPEAKER_03]: She was, you know, still woozy like on anesthesia or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: But honestly, I thought she, what has had a little more like trying to get across how frustrating it was that she couldn't get out and help him.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like not guilt, but just the frustration of because Kiko the way they wrote her was quite
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, strong and forceful.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that would have driven our crazy, not to be able to help him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's right, it is kind of like, you know, little fuzzy, I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if I had any scene to redo, it would be that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, interesting, very interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, honestly, I thought the marriage of the way that Alan shot it, the energy of the shot making and your performance fit together beautifully, but I totally see what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our last scene goes back to Quarks.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a bookend scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to say I love bookend scenes like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: We start the episode in Quarks.
[SPEAKER_02]: We end at breakfast in Quarks.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... cork says rom looks horrible the night shift must be killing him in robes is no no i wasn't on the night shift i was celebrating all night got promoted to the day shift
[SPEAKER_02]: says this new crew likes him a lot, especially Latana, which I thought was a little suspicious having mentioned Lida earlier in the episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Talking about another woman, all the ladies love rom now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's so close to Lida too.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what I don't approve of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quark always knows what's happening on the station.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't always get it right, but he always has his ears open.
[SPEAKER_01]: He always knows what's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's usually, when one of his family gets in trouble, he's in front of Odo, lick it, he's split.
[SPEAKER_01]: His brother's been arrested, he's been interrogated.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been imprisoned for a period of time.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've come back from the experience with the wormhole.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot has happened on the station, and Quark doesn't know anything about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I went, no, that's not the way my character's been built.
[SPEAKER_01]: Most of my qualities are bad ones or not necessarily ones to emulate, but this quality of keeping his ear to the ground, knowing everything that's happening on the station, and not knowing that his brother was arrested.
[SPEAKER_01]: just couldn't buy that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still like to see no arm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: How long you notice that your brother is breaking out of his normal role.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's bizarre and strange and off-putting and slightly, I have to congratulate him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very grudgingly, very grudgingly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's my quibble, my little net pick in the scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the first scene, he asked for eggs bacon and hash, and he says in the scene, yeah, the bacon doesn't agree with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: But instead, he orders stack of pancakes, sausage,
[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't he know that sausage and bacon are going to be the same thing like if bacon doesn't agree with him He shows it to realize that when I push the same button for bacon or sausage Was the same button and and They both came out, you know, yeah, yeah, he should have he should have realized that he's not Yeah, I have the same problem which I don't want to get into but whatever that Wasting extra should be call it waste extraction
[SPEAKER_05]: He's also been used to beetle puree, so he doesn't really know bacon and sausage.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's two different animals in his book.
[SPEAKER_05]: He doesn't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: But pineapple, that's a funny thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: The breakfast of choice on the day shift is pineapple added to that breakfast.
[SPEAKER_05]: So fun.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're reacting to pineapple.
[SPEAKER_03]: Was.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, course reaction to pineapple?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: pineapple.
[SPEAKER_05]: The theme slash moral slash lesson of this episode, Robbie McNeill, what do you think it was?
[SPEAKER_02]: I put don't underestimate people who may offer unexpected wisdom and solutions.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Rome is the lesson in this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: We could probably save ourselves a lot of pain and grief and stress if we had- Just listen, open, open to the unexpected lesson.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wisdom.
[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I wrote down, when in an extremity, a man can be pushed to forego his moral code, which is what I think Miles does.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a second one, close.
[SPEAKER_01]: Extremity is the tester of a man's capacity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well said.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: Robbie, that was the first thing that came to mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: But also things are not always what they appear to be.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's absolutely true.
[SPEAKER_05]: My lesson is don't judge a book by its cover.
[SPEAKER_05]: Our Patreon poll winner for the theme slash lesson slash moral of the episode is submitted by Scott B. O'Brien will win in the end no matter how much you make him suffer.
[SPEAKER_05]: That is the end of our recap and discussion of the episode, the assignment.
[SPEAKER_05]: We want to thank Armin again for guest hosting with us.
[SPEAKER_05]: And of course, we have to thank Asian American Acti royalty.
[SPEAKER_05]: Rod's Chow for joining us.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my goodness.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, my goodness.
[SPEAKER_05]: A royal highness, Rosalind Chow.
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[SPEAKER_05]: the director of that episode himself, Jonathan West, the full-time DP for DS9.
[SPEAKER_05]: A wonderful, wonderful person, and I'm sure he'll provide a lot of insights, so it's going to be a great episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: I look forward to it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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