[SPEAKER_03]: Stretching like a stone serpent across mountains, deserts, and centuries.
[SPEAKER_03]: This engineering marvel stands as one of humanity's most enduring symbols, part fortress, part frontier, part myth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Built and rebuilt by successive dynasties, it was never a single wall, but a living
[SPEAKER_03]: and the sheer will to impose order on a vast and unpredictable land.
[SPEAKER_03]: Historically, it worked the boundary between worlds, agrarian empires to the south and nomadic step cultures to the north.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a line of defense but also a conduit of trade, communication, and cultural exchange.
[SPEAKER_03]: Soldiers lived and died, along its ramparts, turning stone in earth into a monument of sacrifice and statecraft.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yet beyond bricks and veterans, it carries a deeper resonance.
[SPEAKER_03]: In folklore and spiritual thought, it has been seen as a guardian line, a dragon spine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even a symbolic barrier against chaos itself, stories of ghosts, omens, and ancestral spirits cling to its watchtowers, suggesting the wall didn't just protect an empire.
[SPEAKER_03]: It absorbed its hopes, fears, and collective soul.
[SPEAKER_03]: This case by a joint of theorists as we walk the winding path between history and meaning, exploring the layers of stone, story, and spirit within.
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to alien theorists theorizing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Braden.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so I'm dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't imagine you did say alien theorists theorizing Even though we haven't made the.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I didn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I said you heard was a coughed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alien we didn't talk about it before so I was like, we're gonna talk about it in half-throwers.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's happening with the
[SPEAKER_01]: the split fee we have going on right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been something that's in the problems.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an annoying person.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're about to become a singularity and fucking collapsed back in on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Today we're talking about China.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know a quick little rabbit hole I wanted to go down that kind of I fell down looking into the Great Wall of China.
[SPEAKER_00]: First off, a bunch of liars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not so great China.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: No China just lying about everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I no longer believe that terracotta army I believe that's fucking a plant now after going down this rabbit hole.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also leave there's fucking rivers of mercury flowing.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't believe anything coming out of China.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we don't know if that's actually true.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the big one of the big fucking ones that I went down while looking into the Great Wall was um like their population.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is their population right now?
[SPEAKER_00]: Corna with this a billion $1.5 billion is the official baby and I think and then like I watched this like I watched this like not a TED talk But this like with this Chinese historian that's like come to the West and it's like China bad And she was going off and she's like the number that number doesn't even make sense because 70 years ago They had 500 million
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, they've had decades of a one-child policy.
[SPEAKER_00]: They would have had their population would have had to grow like five kids per household.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, continuously, whenever you see guys that go to China and they like a little blog about our YouTube about it, there's never any people in the streets.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did and then she was always it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like fucking they were challenging her because they were like well The UN and the official database is say Like based on energy consumption and she was like they have full fucking cities that have no one in it That they run the power 24 seven full cities with no one
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, it's a lie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, she was like, China's on the brink.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come on, China.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Colours to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, dude, everyone, everyone out to people, China.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone knows all the experts know that China is facing a massive population collapse because of what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because of the one child policy.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, listen, I grew up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody told me that there was for every bullet.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was in fucking North America.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was one Chinese person.
[SPEAKER_02]: More.
[SPEAKER_02]: They would fucking nuke us if we fought them.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what everybody told us that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were the only ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: If we nuke them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, what brain sane does he doesn't believe the Great Wall of China even exists?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's inflatable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't believe it's, I mean, it's, it's there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's because I've only ever seen the same stock photos of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what is presented is pretty mind blowing.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go through today.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to lighten up on the case file this week, you know, take a little breather from the fucking We're going to light things up by talking about China.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you sure?
[SPEAKER_01]: It depends who's talking, I guess, if Andrew's talking, then yeah, it's not gonna be late.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, hey, listen, we're, hey, buddy, I pretty much live in Communist China, okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pro.
[SPEAKER_02]: We support it here in Canada.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are basically Chinese.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's over for us.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got our own fucking Chinese police fucking force within our country, we've got our prime minister and pretty sure is in China right now with his newly defected fucking conservative.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have our own Chinese police force, we have a Chinese police force that operates here illegally.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we allow it to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, Great Wall China.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to China.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're investigating the Great Wall.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's from what I thought as a kid is not correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just a continuous, amazing wall, though it is amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I always thought when I screw up the great wall, China was just a constant wall around all of Northern China.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's always what I thought.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I had teachers that were like,
[SPEAKER_00]: hammered at home to the point where I remember this.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, it can be seen from space.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, no, it can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: It absolutely cannot be seen from space.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a huge lie.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's still like the engineering feet.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you can see the great wall of China from space, you could see every highway from space also, because it's not very wide.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it looks just like the ground around it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's made of like
[SPEAKER_01]: That makes no sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess if you're on the space station, and you had like a good pair of binoculars, sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: No way, binoculars.
[SPEAKER_00]: No way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're only up 80k with some good fucking 40 times.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could see for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe 100%.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not really in space.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're only up if you even believe it's up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: First off, they're just flying in the sky.
[SPEAKER_00]: First off, they're not.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're on a constant flight.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're on the constant flight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, Dan dropped us some facts with a great wall before we go on a mate major tangent here already.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the great wall, like you've already mentioned, was a pretty large and amazing engineering feat.
[SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't built the world at the same time.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is the largest military, like, military, significant construction in the world.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was built usually like I guess people when they dated around like the beginning of the walls of the original wall around the 7th or 8th century BC where you had battle among the like the warring states period of China or it wasn't China then it was a bunch of like little city states and they called this the spring autumn and warring states dynasty and most of these walls like the large
[SPEAKER_04]: by the longest parts of the wall that had been around the longest.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like these were actually walls that were built to defend against other city states within, you know, that would be like, kind of.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were getting ready for 100 games, but yeah, well, they had like, they were starting to fence off the districts as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well was that actually what happened is like the emperor at the time and like one of the ruling class like they kind of started to fall apart and the the the smaller state started to kind of become exercise a lot more autonomy so all of them started kind of building their own walls building up their own armies and then kind of like shit got crazy after I think one of the forget off top man which emperor died and then kind of left everything kind of like went to shit and it was kind of like
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we're, you know, we're the best, we're the best, and then they all started fighting, but it was actually a legacy.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it was actually the state of Chu, which is the first to kind of build their wall, and during the chin dynasty, when you get China, this is when you had Emperor Chin Chi Huang, actually had all of the walls eventually joined up to kind of, you know, force them all together, and then kind of build.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll talk about it, but it's like,
[SPEAKER_04]: having the walls together for both like the defensive purposes and then also there's some that say that's more like it's almost like propaganda is what it is kind of building up the the solid you know solidarity of the the Chinese people and people within the chin empire to become one um but there are sections of the wall that were specifically for what a weird thing to be like let's
[SPEAKER_00]: join the people by It's like fucking hands across America Except for it's like it's like real life Catan they were going for longest road Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They wanted those bonus points Like let's just build a fucking continuous Fence As far as the eye can see It did have it did have like military
[SPEAKER_04]: Significant.
[SPEAKER_04]: So about what it was and like it like some sections of all more than others were like built specifically to keep out like a Vaters From the Kutan like areas like the northern like the northern parts above China some were built to keep people in
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we're going to get there, don't you worry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I get there.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the great wall is actually, like if you go into the, you know, just the facts, I guess.
[SPEAKER_04]: So like if you take all of the sections combined, because it's not every section, but in actually, they're actually still digging up sections.
[SPEAKER_04]: A lot of this, like, so some of these numbers kind of flex every now and then, where it has, it's about 21,000 kilometers or 13,000 miles.
[SPEAKER_04]: So roughly half a million.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so it runs insane fire.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's insane So what you're seeing Dan is the game dynasty warriors is actually what started the wall cuz it was the worrying factions right what do we say we had cuz
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a written down here because I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I loved it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you had the romance of the three Kingdoms.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had the B or Chi.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Cheekland.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had the Zhao, the Yan, and the Wei.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, you had Lou Boo.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had all these glad, all these clans building walls to protect themselves from each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're talking like hundreds of years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how I think about Dynewall.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dynewall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dynewall.
[SPEAKER_04]: Dynewall.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, you want you, and yeah, Lubu, and who's it, uh, get there's a, there's another couple other ones, but yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but get now, are we talking about real things now, or are we still talking about video games?
[SPEAKER_00]: Technically, technically, technically, real things.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like a fictional, like it's a fictional thing, but it is pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: It actually is a really fun piece of literature.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, but you have like, so you do have the different sections, so all what's another interesting thing about them is they're all kind of,
[SPEAKER_04]: And Zell kind of mentions his touch on this just a little bit ago.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like they're all built from like different types of material like you had some pieces of the wall that are built by stone and break Some are built by just tamped earth like wood and then even there are some sections of the wall, which is an interesting study that's still going around now that they found sections are they actually use sticky rice mortar to put it together, which they found to be surprisingly durable I think it's a better than modern day cement in some cases
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this place was built of half of corpses and fucker.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you ever lift rice in the fridge too long?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a brick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, don't fucking eat left over rice.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, why don't you can't, you can't, you can't eat left over rice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_02]: You get to sit and back to your own, you fuck, it's bad for us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kill you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how you make.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't kill me, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Chicken fried rice is you have to use left over rice.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you don't, don't, don't do left over rice.
[SPEAKER_02]: You fresh rice, that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, you're buddy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do that all of you see, you've ever Google any recipe for chicken fried rice and they're going to use leftover rice.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's way better for the rest of the rice.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, enjoying rice and eating it for leftover.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to be, if you want to be fast and not what your life like me, shut up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a safe option as long as it's being stored and reheated correctly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like getting it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like any food like you guys really know food What do you mean are you no food?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, I'll I'm gonna die one day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I left over Chinese food all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I eat it cold too I'm fucking all right I might
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we had so we have this great wall of China, but it's not it's a whole bunch of different constructions from different times, but it's not just a wall, it's trenches they use rivers and natural mountains and hills and they connect it all together to make this 22,000 kilometer wall, which pretty much does the whole entire northern border of China.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sounds like they got lazy when they're using rivers and other things are like, oh, good enough, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty much a wall, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a big river is the better than a wall, a wall.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can find this climb up that motherfucker.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not a big deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just, you just wait a river.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and actually, I mean, not if you fill it with giant snakehead.
[SPEAKER_04]: Part of the mythology of the wall is that they originally like dragons like carved across the land and followed like the natural contours, and that's where they built the wall They built a lot of what they called dragons veins, which is like what they call mountains and this kind of all of this
[SPEAKER_04]: all of it because the way that the the the like I mean just iconically like the pictures of the great wall that you do have like you can see how it follows the terrain um it's not just one straight wall um and all of these things and you know for for certain purposes it's just like it just worked um
[SPEAKER_04]: for what it was in some of these areas.
[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, it's like, some of these areas, like if the wall is nothing but like a trench or like, you know, it's not that high or not that impressive, but it's like they all connect into one giant construction that does span an extraordinary distance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because at one time it was the Mongols.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the unifying force of China like we gotta finish this fucking wall.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, hey, let's get down to business to defeat the Hunts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Finally, Hans.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you send me daughters or sons?
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, I watched the movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know Was it was Genghis Khan was he wasn't a mungle mungle?
[SPEAKER_04]: He was a mungle, but it's like he didn't tell you just a hines I till it was the hunt the mungles were Genghis are jenghis
[SPEAKER_04]: But a number of, I guess, different cons, I can have.
[SPEAKER_04]: But they were always like, yeah, continuous threat.
[SPEAKER_04]: Those, and like, those on the northern border of China, like those tribes, nomadic tribes from the steps that would periodically raid those things where the wall was meant to be a defensive structure against them, to defend against them.
[SPEAKER_01]: which it did for a while to it until like like it was like 1,300, 1,400, where they were a gunpowder and cannons were developed.
[SPEAKER_04]: was like a lot of times like the wall like it served its purposes in some areas and then but a lot of times it wasn't like the perfect defense of structure as anything was a lot of times when you do get these breaches in the wall a lot of times it was like they just bribed somebody to like set up yeah like to set up an area or to let them in through a gate.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't Dan.
[SPEAKER_02]: If the wall was successful, then it would be Tartaria, not China.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the wall was fruitless and all the Chinese invaded Tartaria, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And used up all their all their resources.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the magic sign.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great fucking energy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And China couldn't get where Tartaria couldn't get there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're police force to round them up quick enough to get them out of there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they overran it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what happened to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's one of the theories of the wall is they say that these tartarian buildings that permeate the entire world somehow have similar construction techniques to the great some parts of the great wall So therefore the great wall at least part of it was built for the tartarian empire It's a good floor before the great mud flood of whenever that was
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's going to be the erosion that we know the erosion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Due to the erosion, we know that the gray walls much tens of thousands of years older than hundreds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some say hundreds of thousands of years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, yeah, they do, they do say that large portions of the wall have vanished.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's like estimated to be about one-third of the wall is actually disappeared.
[SPEAKER_04]: Due to things like erosion earthquakes.
[SPEAKER_04]: And people actually, you know, as people do, and we've seen another culture,
[SPEAKER_01]: still responds to build your fucking thoughts and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: and like sometimes the wall's just in the way of construction crews so they just smash it down without permits to they're like, well, this is going to take too long.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, in China, they don't really worry about environmental stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: If they want to build the road, they just build it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we talked about it a little bit like a little construction true, just like mow it down.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the mode down section of the wall to get through faster for construction.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we've all seen these videos in China, then building stuff and they build it so fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like the omnisch.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're this bucket.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden, there's a 30 story tower building like five days.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: How?
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you even do this slave labor?
[SPEAKER_01]: Robots.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I'll put a lot of, I was going to say a huge portion of this wall was rammed earth, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So rammed earth works really well until it gets wet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Pete right now, people are this new trend is rammed earth construction like for houses.
[SPEAKER_00]: which works, what is, what is, rammed earth example?
[SPEAKER_00]: So you set like a fan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just fucking, so when you have like mud in your hand, you just keep slapping it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty much exactly what it sounds like.
[SPEAKER_01]: You create a form.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not an expert, but from what I know, you create a form.
[SPEAKER_01]: You dump certain type of dirt in it and you just actually just ram it down and compact is hard until it's like concrete.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it works really well as long as you waterproof it and doesn't get wet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because if it gets wet, obviously it's going to crumble.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you waterproof it though?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just like a plastic barrier on the outside.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when it rains, it washes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Little poly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exterior poly, a big thick like barrier.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in the Great Wall, I'm assuming they didn't have that knowledge of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You swarming.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a tertiary in technology.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is fucking...
[SPEAKER_01]: can't be the Targaryen is a way too smart to just build with Ram D'Earth.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're building still exists today, isn't like the White House Targaryen building or something?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: At Parstay Building?
[SPEAKER_01]: Union Station.
[SPEAKER_01]: They dug those babies out of the dirt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were there all over the whole world somehow.
[SPEAKER_01]: This Targaryen Empire exists.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, it didn't say.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a greatest theory ever we talked about before.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the whole Chicago world's fair is all all this stuff that they built out of like, was it like, hey, and plaster?
[SPEAKER_01]: You see, I've mentioned, mentioned plaster, but don't say that to those people because they're going to call you a liar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though you're hiding true, you're a great granddaddy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was building that motherfucker in 1890 or whatever, but anyways.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, we have this huge portion of the wall that's eroded and gone or buried or destroyed.
[SPEAKER_01]: by something more powerful than anything at the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some parts of the wall look like they've been blown up, melted if you will.
[SPEAKER_00]: nuclear blast perhaps I don't know the the one to me as it's like they're like well it seems like it's sloped to the wrong side so it's like the defensive side would be the wrong side more than than like the way in is lower than the way out essentially yeah like so they're like it like based on how we know that like civilizations built these like defenses
[SPEAKER_00]: they would be defending the opposite way of what history both facing towards China.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like the big walls are facing towards China.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's so are the turrets or some turrets.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do they call it?
[SPEAKER_01]: I can remember when they call it the little like archer slits.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a fantasy word for the turret.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got calm turrets.
[SPEAKER_01]: The turrets are facing towards China and some of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not all of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's be in sections and the slope is like, it's sloped.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, like, it doesn't make sense because you're like, you'd want to be on the the high side on the defensive.
[SPEAKER_02]: You think unless you are building a giant prison wall,
[SPEAKER_01]: people in there simply might not have anything to do with what we talked about about the wall being built between warring factions or anything that has nothing to do with it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean that is part of it but it's like the wall it's with most walls I think is that they can serve multiple purposes it's like they do have a function as a military installation and defensive and defensive construction but also some of these places were actually just like
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean immigration like it's a these places that people to check in build the wall come through checkpoints You know to control trade and which is you know whether kind of sometimes need and they put these places strategically to come through But there are some yeah, there is some I think the reading about it But I found fascinating about the the great wall of China is that they're they're kind of like
[SPEAKER_04]: conflicting views where it's like it is the the the great wall of China is iconic and it is like a a symbol of you know Chinese identity but there are kind of two sides to it where it is the the one where it's like yes it's just the great one China and it's the amazing engineering marvel that it is but it is also this one where the wall like a large sections of the wall where represent like forced labor and like a controlling
[SPEAKER_04]: a government, uh, you know, to some extent, like you're just throwing bodies in there for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I said, I tried saying that earlier, you guys are talking about rice and saying they use bodies to build that fucking place.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is in rice.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is another famous, some famous Laura about the Great Wall, but I don't know if the organic material doesn't do well in construction, so I don't know why you put them in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: What else are you doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's easier than Barry, you know, if you do a fucking a mum of five sticky rice exterior.
[SPEAKER_00]: 100% man.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you also he doesn't want to bury the bodies because in in in Chinese like cosmology and those things like he unburied bodies gets you ghost 100%.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like this is like that is that is the one thing about their the culture around that time is like if you have unburied bodies, they're going to turn into ghosts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, then you use a ghost to finish the job.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you guys were looking into this and looking into theories, did you run across the 2016 film The Great Wall?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you're both a film.
[SPEAKER_00]: So starring in Matt Damon, and it's a poet.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, Matt Damon is like, and I don't, I've never seen this movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even know he existed.
[SPEAKER_04]: I 100% think we talked about this like way back into this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have we have a total of four?
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like looking at the cover of it because it's like the concept is is that the wall is there because every 60 years of media it comes and brings alien.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's giant reptile aliens, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they use the wall to defend.
[SPEAKER_04]: I met demons like a European trader or something that shouldn't be like pretty good wheel hunting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like was this his first movie?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it looks like this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it was a really, this is like a real expensive movie to make.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, and he's like his John Clark from Mars.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it wasn't him.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what they paid him to get in there.
[SPEAKER_04]: It must have been a bunch of money.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, it's like, yeah, it's like, is there like he's, it's all Chinese actors?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all Chinese actors.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you could pay Gary Oldman enough money to be in tiptoes, you can get fucking fat Damon and this movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guarantee.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's pretty funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like because I was like, he's the one.
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: What guy in this movie?
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, they're like, we need we need this film to do well in America.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get their number one act.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's meant to get that demon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so we like the cover is like, I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is William the foe in it too, actually?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, Tom Cruise plays an American does that right like it's he assimilated into a samurai culture.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so Matt Damon's playing a Chinese guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he's not.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he's a different.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a white guy that has he's now He's a Chinese warrior Anyway speaking of bodies in the Great Wall
[SPEAKER_01]: It's possible because they think like over a hundred thousand people died building the great wall over all the dynasties.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if they're not in the wall itself, they're in the foundation.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're around the wall.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're fucking all over that baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bird lies in there around that that baby is haunted is fuck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you seen it was like old fucking paintings or tapestries of like the gobblins building the wall?
[SPEAKER_02]: Goblins?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're like they look like creatures building the wall.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fucking freaky.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tartarian, they just enslaving goblins, the like the goblins from like the, what are the Kentucky Hobbsonville's goblins, just those things, bringing them up from the mines.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you believe the, if you fall in with the, was it the third mummy movie with a jet leaves going to come back and, you know, uses necromantic scouts and spills to bring all the dead people back from the great wall, like that's what.
[SPEAKER_04]: Somebody remember that.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was a huge part of the fucking movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: The third mummy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even remember the third one.
[SPEAKER_00]: The dragon emperor, the dragon emperor.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_00]: My brain kind of stalks his fucking king.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, yeah, that's probably when fucking, uh, brain and phrase you're stopping in hot.
[SPEAKER_02]: He started transitioning to like current brain and phrase you're and you weren't interested in it.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is a third or fourth mummy.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't remember.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was like a third or fourth mummy movie where they go to China and it must be the third.
[SPEAKER_04]: The emperor.
[SPEAKER_00]: because first one's good, second one's scorpion king, third one.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then eventually they have a bunch of yetties playing football and the fucking himmelane.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, okay, yeah, I remember that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I remember like he's a little older too, and it's like his character's a little retired.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's like his son is the major player kind of thing whenever he had like, it's just wild.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's fucking gently.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just like an invincible emperor guy.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's pretty, pretty amazing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Can't imagine.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a show, you open it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a show, you open that too, I think.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's the great wall does come into play in a lot of like the during that around the time like the imperial cosmology of the chin empire as it was like a representation of the power and the
[SPEAKER_04]: like dividing order from chaos as it was like this giant structure that was commanded by the emperor to be built where the emperor set as the sun of heaven, you know, having the mandate of heaven back then to be like, you know, representative on earth to build this wall and keep out
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the chaos that was the, you know, northern border tribes and anything out kind of outside of China But he's like point the The troops in order We're gonna turn our backs to the enemy Really disrespect them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now throw them off.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the fuck when they come as we're looking the wrong way How happened to your camera Andrew?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it's plugged into my fucking chargeable USB port, but I guess it's dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the light is on that charge, even it got tired of looking at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: The game tired of looking at myself for a few years, but you can't keep it going.
[SPEAKER_01]: What were we talking about?
[SPEAKER_01]: What was what we leave off here?
[SPEAKER_01]: Imagine, imagine, you build this giant wall like the psychological effect if you get, see what I try to get to China and you just come across this fucking wall and you keep riding for days and it never stops.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like psychological warfare.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it is a part of the identity of China where it's kind of being like, yeah, to display, it is a huge display of power that being like, you know, you can muster enough resources, manpower to build these sections of all.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, I mean, like, straight and really impressive.
[SPEAKER_00]: The tallest sections, 46 feet tall, and like, most sections are around 20 to 26 feet.
[SPEAKER_00]: The average height is 25.6 feet.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like it's like, it's not crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not, you're not, you're not boosting your body.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a fucking your body, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Voice, it's in China.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, that's fucking unattainable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Us too high.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody's getting over, especially back then.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why they had to get rid of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Targaryen's also were nephalum, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Same thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like I knew I had to tie that all together.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Example were fallen angels or something too?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were the half bloods of angels and God's and human women were the nephalum or something like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And angels and human women.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like when I look at the...
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a part of me wonders, like I mean, I know we say it's a wall now.
[SPEAKER_00]: because that's what it looks like.
[SPEAKER_00]: But also I'm like, as I'm looking at some of these pictures and like to sell like what you said, you're like, you know, the intimidation factor, like you come up, it's like, a lot of the wall is built on like such rugged hard land, like mountainous regions where it's like up and downs, up and down like very difficult.
[SPEAKER_00]: Part of me wonders, I'm like,
[SPEAKER_00]: was this really going to be a wall or were they like this is going to be a the trader this is where you're going to be able to travel on this is going to be the fucking expert for the freeway expressway for traveling right you get to the silver road don't two point out
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's like because it's We're still holding it and it went through like you would have to go through the great wall to get through and to China So grow to point out right, but like you just travel you traverse the wall on top rather than Put it a trail like No, like it goes east to west, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that West?
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I least a West South West.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, maybe they had big plans where they're like from the port to the I don't think it was paved I don't think it was really paid for
[SPEAKER_04]: like to accommodate like a lot of wagons and things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, wagons to the point, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they use like ridges and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you get to the Andy, but like, oh, there's a giant mountain here now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now what?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it like, I mean, like, even some of this, some of this area that I'm looking at, like, in pictures, I'm like, why you even need a wall for this section?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's just, it seems like it's so out in the fucking middle of nowhere in this mountainous region that it would be hard to get there regardless.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like to get, I guess, I mean, that would be just a dagger.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, man, a hate of the shitty hell.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is this wall doing here?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would someone do this to me?
[SPEAKER_00]: And now you're stuck.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there are a lot of anecdotes and stories, and I think actually legends that talk about, like some of the remote parts of the wall.
[SPEAKER_04]: that are like yeah why would you why would you build a wall here like what's up I think could possibly I think some of these sections could have been like vanity projects like they just need to be built by some local some local magistrate or whatever it was just a car and also it is the bandit of heaven like your your emperor just told you to build it here so you're kind of like well alright we better build it or somebody's getting their head cut off
[SPEAKER_04]: and it can be me.
[SPEAKER_04]: I also found it interesting, too, that some parts of the wall, but this is common in some Asian architectures that they follow a lot of religious symbolism, or some of the cosmological symbolism.
[SPEAKER_04]: They have certain sections like those apparently, and
[SPEAKER_04]: Like the, I guess, bottling is one of the places where they have steps in railings that are built in multiples of nine, which represent the nine layers of heaven, which you're like a little bit spiritual significance to some of these these places.
[SPEAKER_04]: So some of these is said, like we said, mentioned before about the dragon veins, you know, China, there's, there's, you know, there is.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's thought that maybe Feng Shui came into play to kind of at least as the the wall is not only a defensive structure, but it is, you know, I mean, you could say this, like it is a focal point for
[SPEAKER_04]: the people who live within it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is this barrier of not only stone, but also mental energy, that is like to get energy.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is the dividing line.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is like the dragon lay lines, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's like a barrier.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, it's one of those things where it's kind of like, it's a talisman, an event to keep out.
[SPEAKER_04]: Within the wall, there is order, there is agriculture, there is, there is,
[SPEAKER_04]: bureaucracy.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's all these things.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's organization.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we're outside of the wall at that time.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, that was a universe that worked on completely different energetic principles to the Imperial cosmology at the time.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you had, you know, nomadism, barbarism, all that stuff out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fang Shwey on a continental scale.
[SPEAKER_04]: pretty much, you know, it's like it is an interesting structure where when you get into the ideas of like, you know, what the cultural significance not just the military and it's still weird that the fact is like,
[SPEAKER_00]: over like, yeah, 16 million years or something like that's that's fucking insane considering at the time you think of what the life expectancy was 30 right so you know what I mean like generations and generations of people just being like all right I guess uh my whole life is just going to be dedicated to building like you know five kilometers of this fucking never endless running on thirds of thousands of people
[SPEAKER_01]: Their first job was sling and stone on the wall.
[SPEAKER_01]: They died on the wall.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the fucking life.
[SPEAKER_04]: Every day.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that was part of the, like, their worldview at the time is that, I mean, this stuff is all kind of, you know, this is a big grim dark, but they're saying that, you know, suffering was seen as a stabilizing force in their universe.
[SPEAKER_04]: The deaths of those people reinforced the boundary, like their work and their deaths, their energy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like some bullshit to tell people who were building the wall.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, cherry, yeah, like kind of, you know, that's some role propaganda, Dan.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but that's what they, that's what they believe at the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what my, that's the kind of shit my supervisor tells me to work to try to keep me motivated through the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that could, you know, this why the wall wasn't very effective when, you know, when the Western powers showed up in their, you know, ships of metal with the water with a new invention, no one had ever seen it like a child or maybe he's like, yeah, like it's we just go around.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're just from the water.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean they climbed it?
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, but yeah, since the the wall is like culture, so you get a lot of kind of, you get a lot of interesting anecdotes that come out for, you know, surrounding or, you know, had the wall as a setting.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I think one of the, um,
[SPEAKER_04]: one of the ones that I found that it was pretty funny was called the Legend of just like gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee- gee-
[SPEAKER_04]: You calculate that he would be 99,999 bricks to build the wall within the J.I.E.
[SPEAKER_04]: at one pass.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the supervisor didn't believe him, and he said that if you miscalculated by even one brick, you're done.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm cutting your head off.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's it, which seems kind of, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: That seems kind of
[SPEAKER_00]: What's he going to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, count all the bricks.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to count all the bricks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the dumbest wager of the, like, that emperor is not going to count all the bricks.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's so dumb.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the guy at the end of, like, we used just the right amount of bricks.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't want to know, they're not counting all those bricks.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, and then he also said that the workmen would be punished to do hard work for three years.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, you know, if you miscut your own bricks or work, then fucking making the bricks.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, so they probably really, well, no more breaks, you know, no more coffee breaks, I guess.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, they're famous for breaks.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's famous, aren't they?
[SPEAKER_04]: So after they completed the project, apparently, it was one brick left behind, behind one of the city gates, and the supervisor saw it, and he's like, you know, he's getting ready to punish all the workmen, but however, Yi Kaisan said that that brick was deliberately left
[SPEAKER_04]: by a supernatural and being to fix the wall.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was going to be there eventually like you're going to need it and if you move that wall, if you move that one brick, the entire thing will come down and apparently the brick was left there and can still be found there today and the lower part of that construction.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the supervised just bought that was like, all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you do have ghost ghosts were 100% real.
[SPEAKER_04]: They have the, what is it the ghost festival that they've been doing for hundreds of years where it's like the hungry ghost festivals where it's like, yes, they do exist and they are real.
[SPEAKER_04]: Supernatural beings that will cause misfortune, especially something like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you could be like, it's like, he might be bullshitting, but I don't want to,
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's like, but I don't want to take the chance that this entire wall will fall down.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, it just still doesn't, like, honestly, it just,
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why, really, they would build the wall.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's just like, my listen to the stories and over 2,000 years, I can't help but be skeptical as to be like, that's it, they're just like, we're gonna fucking build, we're just gonna do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're just gonna keep doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Keep doing it for 1500 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: To the point where it's for so long that probably a thousand years, people were like, what is this for?
[SPEAKER_00]: What are we doing here?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been the thousand years we've been building this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: My fucking great great great grandfather started.
[SPEAKER_00]: He died on the wall.
[SPEAKER_00]: My fingers hurt.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are we doing here?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, well, we got to because we're all ghosts.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, okay, what?
[SPEAKER_00]: for nine thousand years.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just doesn't.
[SPEAKER_04]: It just doesn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just doesn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just doesn
[SPEAKER_00]: I could buy it more that this project was undertaken by one emperor right and overseen for whatever 40 years They're like build a wall go in What east We're west and they're like okay, and then they start and then he just kind of like they're like all right your walls doing well And he's like all right, we have what well and they're like the wall you wanted and he's like oh, yeah And then they just continually build it because no one ever told them to stop and they're like
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just, well, it's the kind of thing that they're doing.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's probably what you're thinking about.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, you don't just have one emperor, you have a dynasty.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you have them continuing the project that was put for the predestination of the project.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it is, yeah, it's the national project.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because at some point, it becomes a part of the identity.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is, it comes like, I will finish this wall or I will continue work on this wall until it is complete, you know, because that is what my father did this when I followed it before.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just part of their fucking political platforms, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it got Trump elected.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're going to finish the wall, that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and even if it's like we mentioned before, this was a representation of like, you know, this is keeping China safe from the barbarians of the North and these places.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what it was meant to do.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you're like, if we don't build this, if we don't build this wall, the the Mongols are going to come down here and rip our shit apart, which is, which they did.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what the wall stopped them.
[SPEAKER_04]: The wall didn't really, like, it was a mine.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing about that is, like, okay, well, you got the Mongols, you got the Han or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are like short term.
[SPEAKER_01]: like problems.
[SPEAKER_01]: Problem, like thousand of your problems.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but like Genghis Khan was what 20, 30 years.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like he was like, wow, it's a concept.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was his, you know, kids after that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like he had a dynasty.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he had a lot of fucking kids.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but even like, how was popular?
[SPEAKER_02]: What was the phasia?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he asked you, well, it was not like three or three percent of the world has Genghis Khan's fucking vision.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was fucking.
[SPEAKER_01]: But even like the, what was the Mongol Empire?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was nowhere near as long as the building of the Great Wall of China.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like the threat didn't last long enough to justify another thousand years of going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but that wasn't the only threat they were dealing with, like, as long as they've existed, they've dealt with threat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, but you think you would think the threat is like, all right, we have a threat.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to take us 10 years to build this four kilometers wall and in that 10 years, we could this be attacked a million times.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the best part is when you get to the water, okay, when we get to the coast, we're going to put it out 20 feet into the water and then that's it.
[SPEAKER_04]: We don't want to walk around.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you don't want him just walking around it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like what they probably could literally walk on the beach.
[SPEAKER_04]: Or the west goes actually the swim around it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the theory of history.
[SPEAKER_01]: The theory I heard actually is that the Taterians actually know about the Kaiju's.
[SPEAKER_01]: And at the end of the west, the western part of the wall lies, what's the three headed?
[SPEAKER_01]: Gojira with the big one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That one lies under that mountain and what I got there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had the province here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it he lies under the Joguan fort in the Ganzu province of China Lies under this fucking fort under this mountain at the west the western most part of the wall and that was a whole thing Third terrarians knew he was there and they had to connect the wall to
[SPEAKER_01]: the seat to him through a wall in the channel to power the start of the Kajus.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can get some sense.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can buy that if it weren't for the fact that eater is in space.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's one also.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's in your version, Dan.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know what their version was.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good one.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a good one.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good one.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a good one.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good one.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Kaiju one and I like because it's for monsters.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, the walls only like 26 feet average.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, so if these street Kaiju's I'm like, they're not like enormous, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: If that's the wall that you're like, we need that high to keep them out, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like the Kaiju's are like, you know, not very big, because they're not climbing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're all like raptors, like a little tiny raptors.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is like, so Giora is only like, maybe 10 feet tall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Godzilla was actually just a giant iguana.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't very big because I was like, the wall isn't like, if the wall was enormous, like if that wall was like 60 feet, 70 feet tall, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you're just like where you see it and you're like, oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: Godzilla's like 300 feet tall, there's doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I would be like, okay, maybe much, but like, it was so small in some sections that you're like,
[SPEAKER_00]: The monsters would be smart, but I guess there was a ten foot monster.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, there'd be still terrifying.
[SPEAKER_04]: If there's a ten foot, we have ten foot.
[SPEAKER_04]: Or you could have big foot fighting Godzilla and there would be a fair fighting, yes?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love that.
[SPEAKER_04]: The monster theory.
[SPEAKER_04]: Side theory, it's a documentary featuring Mad Damon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's an asteroid.
[SPEAKER_00]: As if an asteroid impact always hits in the same area, that makes it even more sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it makes it just, they build the wall because the asteroid impacts always land in the same place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every 60 years or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they use the wall to fight off the aliens.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was like, when did this move come out 2016?
[SPEAKER_00]: 10 years ago, I was like, wow, I never once saw it ever.
[SPEAKER_04]: There are a ton of, this is just going through those, like, YouTube, the other day.
[SPEAKER_04]: They were a ton of, like, Chinese, like, B movies, like, a sci-fi B movies that I have never seen in some of them.
[SPEAKER_04]: They were, like, pretty crazy.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, this is the giant monster movies where it's like, you know, it is, like, giant snakes or, you know, lizards, whatever, but there's a, there's a different market out there.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they have the, what is it, the Meg, and the Meg, too, we're, like, primarily,
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like Megaladon movies with Jason Statham, like the Meg one and two, like those are primarily like Chinese production company funded movies.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I don't like them.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think they're fucking wild.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Put Jason Statham on a fucking jet ski fighting sharks with a harpoon gun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, Jason's statement will do any movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like when he's amazing, because he plays Jason's statement.
[SPEAKER_00]: He plays Jason's statement every movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why if you're Jason's statement, you do the exact same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why do you even need to be anybody else's statement?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he plays a different character in Snatch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's not the ultimate tough guy badass and snatch.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, snatch is the, I'd say snatch is the one off.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything else he plays tough guy badass, other than that could be spy in spy where he plays the same bad, but he's just dumb, which is funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was actually surprising.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good movie, I saw me.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good Jason Statham.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hit me with it again.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hit it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Draw me.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I liked that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think pretty much we've come to the conclusion that the great wall is it's too massive for ancient tech so it had to be a pre-advanced Culture pre-pened dynasty So wow pre-archology Tartarian or older and has to be Has to be there's no other way who could build a wall that big 22,000 kilometers all except all executions combined
[SPEAKER_01]: Over I don't know thousand years.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they said Dan.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not what they tell me.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they need to believe Dan Right, I personally believe that this ball this wall was built in about four days By an ancient venture Using some type of 3D printing from space that Sure that I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised if that Like that two thousand years things bunch of fucking baloney and the wall was actually built
[SPEAKER_00]: in a way shorter span by, and I'm not saying, like, tartare's in it, just like a more technologically advanced civilization giant.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we think we know in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: wipe down.
[SPEAKER_00]: That culture gets wiped out by the mud flood by the mud flood.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, ancient Chinese, like, you know, um, amperes of stuff just take credit for it, restore it, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Work on restoring it because it's like, if you found this wall there, I think that would be more enticing to be like, it's mine.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you like, then you kind of make all these legends and lore to it because it's there already, you know what I mean that's there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so then the imagination starts running wild of like, why is this here?
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to, you know, continue it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to do something with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is obviously important.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it becomes, you know, like when they're asking, you know, someone of power, they're like, well, it's important because.
[SPEAKER_00]: God instructed me to do it right and they just make their own fucking spin on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen another cultures and I'm like that to me makes more sense than it was just ordered to be built For continuously over the course of 2000 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like I own I know like the arguments always like we underestimate like human ingenuity But we also underestimate human laziness of like I don't want to this fucking wall anymore
[SPEAKER_00]: I like, like, like, we're not building the fucking wall anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're sick of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, all those workers who died were just the ones who spoke up like, hey man, this wall is already here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't that guy's dead.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and my bad whole village, the big piece in the army down, you're like, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, I can see that more in my head is that it's not, it was there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the stories are just, and the lore is what's come from it afterwards.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, I mean, it's just two thousand years.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're just going to fucking continually build this building too.
[SPEAKER_02]: One thing we know about China for sure is that we only know what they want us to know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 100%.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, they have so much more history there than we know.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've got pyramids, all the type of shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we have no information on them whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was a cool one.
[SPEAKER_01]: locked down though, tartarians for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: All that good shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the cool pieces of the lore from this though is the beacons of Gondor on the towers.
[SPEAKER_01]: You read about that?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's very cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they had all these like beacons that there'd be smoke, smoke signals during the day and they had to get their own language with smoke signals to tell you like,
[SPEAKER_01]: how big's the army, how fast are they coming, like how long till they get here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the night they had the beacons, they would light fires.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they would throw giant blankets over it to like do like a Morris code like block the smoke.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, well during the day was smoke, like they do like smoke pillows.
[SPEAKER_01]: And at night they would do it, but they would just like block out the light for like a half a second or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the beacons are gone or if you believe I mean the obviously the Chinese use the wall We're just the theories.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're not saying did they build the wall Yeah, we're not sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not not not sold.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe any we don't believe anything any more
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't believe us building anything after we've never built any of these.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even all these modern buildings I don't believe we built either.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, Tertaria.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tertaria.
[SPEAKER_04]: The fucking mall that mall down the street now and do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not one world trade center that they built in New York.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like 120 stories or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was already there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just a mirage before and they just even they brought David Copperfield out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just had a giant invisibility cloak on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This took it off after the twin towers went down.
[SPEAKER_04]: at News 7 11, then what happened?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, was they there.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was already there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know it's full of lore.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is pretty, man, it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a cool, there's nothing else like it on the planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, there's ancient structures, but that size and vast, 22,000 kilometers obviously not straight, but like connected network defense.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just can't get my head around, they're like, there's just that much and over that span and like, for what?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I think it was, I don't, I think it was something else.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was another ancient civilization.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a globe spanning civilization.
[SPEAKER_00]: long before any of the current current stuff and they were building stuff they built the pyramids they built other Megolithic structures all over the earth for what reasons to make sure the thing is though compared to like the other real Megolithic structures the ball has nothing on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but maybe so maybe but let me let me go to the same building technique
[SPEAKER_00]: wine like more primitive way more primitive right but what if that is one of the first things that this ancient globe-faring civilization that worked on the first thing they built with the biggest building ever constructed you know like let's build the biggest wall we fucking did it all right what's next you know what let's try the pyramids let's try this
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, they don't have any connection for me, but maybe it's hard to tell.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other ones, like the pyramids and those interlocking, seemingly melted together blocks like in Peru and also Egypt and other places, that stuff, like the same people built it.
[SPEAKER_01]: where the great wall you're like, yeah, be honest, kind of looks shitty, except for there's there's parts there's a lot of parts of the wall like the two response that have all been rebuilt and repurposed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And those look cool, but they look like you're built by your local brick layer.
[SPEAKER_01]: They look like you have like unbelievable engineering.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just sheer will of thousands of people over 2000 years.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they say, I still believe that at the end of the wall, there's something there and we should look a little harder.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how we scanned it makes sense to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have we done that?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's this?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, what's the scanning that they found the giant fucking pyramid?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Our plan stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: S.A.R.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever they call it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They found like those giant, uh, uh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was under the pyramids.
[SPEAKER_01]: The giant testicle.
[SPEAKER_01]: A testicle underneath.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still waiting for proof of that.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm still waiting to find the rivers of Mercury.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then.
[SPEAKER_04]: The first ever.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, the.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a mercury.
[SPEAKER_04]: Something is a different.
[SPEAKER_04]: The.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was all in the same chamber.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, the fact that his fucking jewels, well, the Rivers of Mercury where it's like the, was it the first emperor, the gin dynasty, like his, his tomb is said to contain rivers of Mercury, and it's never been found, but there's, I think there's one place where like, all like they detected Mercury, and it could possibly be in this one spot, but they don't want to dig there in case, you know, you do get rivers of Mercury flowing out extremely times.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there was rivers of Mercury also at, what, uh,
[SPEAKER_01]: What was a tear to a con?
[SPEAKER_01]: Mexico City.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was giant things.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Larger Manard Mercury there to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So hey, well, that's connected culture.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's half of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the other side of the planet.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was playing one game where it was like they referenced that like the giant rivers of mercury and it's like your character can like run through these like these pools of mercury and like this is not just not good.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like there's nothing happens to you.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's not poisons or anything.
[SPEAKER_04]: You just like, it just looks cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're like, uh, do you guys remember streamly toxic?
[SPEAKER_01]: going in Mexico or someone bringing you back something from Mexico that had Mercury in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like these little necklaces had like Mercury.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember playing with those all the time.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like I remember eating those.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the skin tone.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's one thing I didn't need.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually think God.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I remember like cracking those open and like fucking plane.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't like pick it up, but I put it like a stick like you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like liquid
[SPEAKER_01]: Now they don't sell those anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: I looked last time I was in Mexico.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can I get some of the poisons?
[SPEAKER_00]: Where's the mercury on the beach?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just imagine guys, come on man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I get mercury in a fucking thermometer anymore?
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't even sell those.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're all the fun in this world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Make mercury great again.
[SPEAKER_01]: New hat coming out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna mama.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bright silver.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ma, it's gonna be late with the real mercury.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk a you talk about a like a tinfoil hat a mercury hat that's that's some heavy Metal right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, anything else?
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