[SPEAKER_02]: And hello everyone, welcome to the Delta Flyers journey through the wormhole with quirk, dacks, and their good friends, Tom and Harry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Night.
[SPEAKER_06]: your host for today are my fellow trekk actors Terry Farrell arman shimmerman robber to dunken mack kneel and myself gear one for the complete and exciting version of this podcast check out patreon.com forward slash the delta flyers and sign up to become a patron today hello everybody hello hello hello you're no longer robby dunken donut mack kneel you're robby slim jim mack kneel oh yeah how many pounds you've shed from your body look at you
[SPEAKER_06]: You get out, you walk, you hike.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're just doing old fashion workout.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will tell you that, you know, I did a cocktail video for this podcast for a few years.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love my cocktails, but I've cut out the drinking.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that has changed everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have as much hacking.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I love a cocktail now, and then believe, still believing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of empty calories.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, when you say, come out, you're good for us anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: you're done.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, I still have a cocktail now and then, but okay, now I was having a few a week and now I'm having one a month or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe greatly reduced your into.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think for that makes a big difference, you know, just sometimes simple choices.
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And let's face it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Alcohol really is poison for your body, your body.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, what it is, it does, it does.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's empty calories, like Terry said.
[SPEAKER_06]: It really is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, good for you, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: You look great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have some birthdays to talk about.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've got Liz Scott on January 22nd.
[SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday, Liz.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday, Liz.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lizard with Happy Birthday.
[SPEAKER_06]: Happy birthday Liz Scott who else has a birthday Alex Mettonus on January 25th happy birthday to our good friend Alex happy birthday Buddy happy birthday Alex Alex happy birthday good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I ate yeah, Alex They do have a limerick for this episode goes a little something like this jet zia just wanted some romance
[SPEAKER_03]: and Quirk wanted anyone in his pants.
[SPEAKER_03]: But Worf's jealous rage put her joy in a cage who much restraint and fun doesn't stand a chance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice genius.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, cork did he was looking for some action there that made me laugh so hard That's why I laughed Pork one and anyone in the pants.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was so true.
[SPEAKER_02]: You with the two horgons like I'm here I'm a little bit more arms you would have had more horgons.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, my high coup field trip to risa Up right worth joins terrorists
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it the first time we've seen your bear legs as a friend show?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it the only time?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember Karen having to shave me twice because every time I wear a costume that shows off flesh besides my head They have to shave whatever hair I have on my arms and legs off because for Rengie don't have hair.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, what a how was that for you that experience shaving it did it it's growing back?
[SPEAKER_03]: I did it I bet it did but holy cow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why didn't you shave your own legs?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because Karen wanted to it's a way.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, Armin, typically, she did a very hairy, are you a very hairy leg to individual?
[SPEAKER_01]: I am an hairy man, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're a hairy man.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a biblical quote, which I'll get to in a moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Holy bucket.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the title of the episode is let he is, who is without sin, and the rest of the biblical quote is, throw the first stone, let him, who is without sin, throw the first stone.
[SPEAKER_01]: It comes from John chapter 8, verse 7.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jesus goes to the Mount of Olives, then goes to the temple to preach and the Pharisees bring him a woman who has been taken in adultery.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jesus is put on in an impossible situation to choose between Mosaic law and his policy of forgiveness.
[SPEAKER_01]: He shifts
[SPEAKER_01]: the argument to the sins, to the sins, to the sins of judges, and puts them in an impossible situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, sometimes law must be tempered with mercy.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the meaning of the biblical quote.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, in this episode, I think they're suggesting that sometimes a law must be tempered with trust, if I move from the episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't put the biblical quote together, but as soon as you said it, it's obvious that that's where that comes from.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder did they pull a lot of stories and titles from biblical or religious?
[SPEAKER_06]: This is evidently one of 24.
[SPEAKER_06]: So is it really a biblical type of 20 or something?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_06]: Isn't that shocking?
[SPEAKER_06]: There's like 23 more.
[SPEAKER_06]: But that's that's from a memory alpha entry that could be archaic.
[SPEAKER_06]: So there could be even more, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So is that including all of the Star Trek?
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that's including up until the person who posted that, so probably more golden era trek, so without the newer stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, oh, but I don't remember the show is not just so TNG, original series, Voyager, Disney, all of us.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it makes sense that they pull from these kind of ancient archetypal tales, like biblical tales or fairy tales, because trek is very much that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's morality plays.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just classic lessons over and over.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so you would, with that in mind, there should be 50.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was like there could be a lot more.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe things from other religions or mythology.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do pull from other religions.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've discussed that here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, religion was a huge theme for the writers of Dubespace 9 because there were so many religions involved, which was something the Paramount Studios did not want the writers to deal with, but they did anyone.
[SPEAKER_06]: Alright, written by Iris Stephen Bear and Robert Hewitt Wolf, directed by our esteemed Mr. Renee O'Busgenwaff, and we have our guest stars, Monty Markham, as Pascal Fullerton.
[SPEAKER_06]: Chase Masterson is leader, Frank Copic is the bollian aid.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it says something about Frank Copic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Frank Copic was supposed to be my best man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's the bullying in the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Frank was a working Broadway actor and when I got married, Frank was doing a show and couldn't make being there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And my good friend Neil Elliott stepped in for Frank.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Frank and I were enormously close while I lived in New York and years after I left New York and came to Los Angeles.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I believe, I believe,
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's so did he call him personally to ask.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know Terry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I asked Kitty yesterday Do you think they knew each other and she said probably from the Broadway theater song just quoting my wife?
[SPEAKER_01]: Frank Copac was in Sunday in the park with George.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, he was Sweetie Todd.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, oh my goodness and happy end.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, Broadway You know I he wasn't doing a Broadway show when I got married.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was doing an off-Broadway show and I
[SPEAKER_01]: can't remember what it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was also in Chaplin with a so in John L. Lee.
[SPEAKER_03]: The John L. Lee.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: My roommate, my first roommate in New York City.
[SPEAKER_06]: We also have a special appearance by Vanessa Williams as a random.
[SPEAKER_06]: And when I saw the credits, I said, is that the Vanessa Williams I think it is?
[SPEAKER_06]: Sure, as heck was.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, this is interesting.
[SPEAKER_06]: There was already another actress that was cast in that role.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was Sue and Brown.
[SPEAKER_06]: She's great great girl.
[SPEAKER_06]: And she showed up at the wardrobe fitting and they told her, yeah, they've recast your role.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, so we've been as a woman.
[SPEAKER_02]: They told her at the wardrobe.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the wardrobe fitting.
[SPEAKER_06]: So here's the question, guys.
[SPEAKER_06]: Would that agent be compensate?
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, there has to be consequences.
[SPEAKER_06]: You can't just switch midstream like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: And my right, if you've signed a contract and you told an actor,
[SPEAKER_02]: then you still get paid.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're absolutely right, Garrett, if the contract is signed, and if she went to the cost to fit in, it was signed, then she has to be compensated for whatever she agreed to.
[SPEAKER_01]: If it was a guest start, the fee was about $8,000 a week.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they had to pay her the $8,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: In addition to whatever they paid Vanessa Williams, now I have another union thing that I want to talk about Vanessa Williams really quickly for this is just me being really wonky Vanessa Williams, there was another Vanessa Williams in in screen actors guild at the time that she signed up.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the guild told her well you can't keep that name now she had already done lots of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was very familiar as Vanessa Williams and she said I'm not changing my name.
[SPEAKER_01]: this is my name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody knows me as Vanessa Williams.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she sued the union and they took it to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court agreed with Vanessa Williams.
[SPEAKER_01]: She gets to keep her name.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the philosophy and the mythology that everybody has to do after that court case anyone was allowed to keep their name even if there was another person with your name in the union.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the union, that's amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the country, because if anybody else asks for that, the Supreme Court really stood.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, God bless her, because why should she change your name that was her name?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't thought of that moment of signing up and then checking to make sure that I could have my name because I remember a discussion or like, what would you want to be called if you... Oh, like, I don't want to be called Teresa.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it'll wear off that it won't feel like I'm in trouble.
[SPEAKER_05]: But it, yeah, we could even just reset it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was supposed to rise up when I first joined the union.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was, uh, because I, there was already a Robert McNeill and after that was the first union I joined and that was the journal us to the McNeill error report.
[SPEAKER_03]: Robert McNeill was in after a, so I could not be Robert McNeill.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I joined the union as Duncan McNeill with the first name,
[SPEAKER_03]: because it was my middle name and I went by Duncan McNeill with my actor name for about a year year and a half and then I just didn't like people calling me Duncan.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, it doesn't feel like me.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll just go with three names.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll add my first name so there's some credits out there that still have Duncan McNeill.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: But, you know, to your point, though, Armin, just talking about Vanessa Williams, if you think about that, every actor who joins the guild, when they hear, oh, your name's already taken, then they add an extra whatever.
[SPEAKER_06]: They just follow the rules.
[SPEAKER_06]: She dug in her heels and said, nope, I'm taking this to court.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm so impressed with that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, most people would just follow it blindly.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, okay, I'll change my name.
[SPEAKER_06]: But she just went through with it and said, well, she was, she was.
[SPEAKER_06]: Miss America.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she was famous.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then there was, remember the controversy around this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it would been really bizarre if she changed her name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: To Martha William.
[SPEAKER_06]: I wouldn't have worked.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to tell you, they didn't check on my name if there was a double.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't.
[SPEAKER_04]: They didn't even check.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just stamped it with OK.
[SPEAKER_03]: I produced a show called 666 Park Avenue that Vanessa was the star of.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I worked with Vanessa for a year, and she was great.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love working with her.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to spend a lot of time with her on this episode, and we just felt like pals.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just an instant disease.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had some similar stories that we shared that were like,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, stuff that actors don't share with everybody that you go, you too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, she's really down to earth.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, when I was, it is, it's just a real, very real hard worker, really hard worker.
[SPEAKER_03]: Took it, you know, took the work.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a terrific woman.
[SPEAKER_02]: She has a lot going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: She had, you know, did fun search.
[SPEAKER_03]: She was on Broadway.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was always a go-getter, no grass under her feet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And family and she doesn't she have horses,
[SPEAKER_03]: She does.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think she's amazing.
[SPEAKER_06]: When you worked with her, did you know that she worked on DS9 at that point?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I did.
[SPEAKER_06]: And did she know did she go, oh, he'll run Voyager.
[SPEAKER_06]: Did she say anything like that?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, because I was a producer and director on this show.
[SPEAKER_03]: We just kind of talked about the show or life, but we didn't talk about past career stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: The one thing is she had done a revival of into the woods on Broadway recently.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I worked with her.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I had done the first national tour of into the woods.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we often talked about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, that's so cool, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was the best connection that we had was doing that play and, you know, sharing our experiences.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's talk a little bit about trivia.
[SPEAKER_06]: The story for this episode originated in a discussion about Eugene O'Neill's 1947 play, a moon for the Miss Bogotten.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the main theme of this play is the destructiveness of alcohol and sexuality and the lives of several characters in this play and in tragedy due to their pursuit of drink and sexual satisfaction.
[SPEAKER_06]: So that was the original idea of how this came about.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think a lot of it got messed up because of the time that this was filmed in the 90s.
[SPEAKER_06]: televisions, networks, we're saying you can do this, you can do that.
[SPEAKER_06]: So a lot of the sexuality that they wanted to show was not shown, basically, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: They weren't able to show or really, they talk about sex in here, but they don't show anything.
[SPEAKER_06]: And in fact, we'll, we're get to a certain scene.
[SPEAKER_06]: that when we talk about that scene i'm going to tell you guys about how they originally shot it and you're going to go hope what because the actor had zero close on in that scene and that was taken out so we'll talk about that later i think that's what really kind of kibash this whole and make it so rangy i can't believe it she didn't shave that far
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm in a smooth as a dolphin.
[SPEAKER_06]: He doesn't have one bit of hair on his body.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my goodness.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just keep going.
[SPEAKER_06]: Robert he would.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, regards this as his least favorite episode out of all those that he wrote or co-wrote.
[SPEAKER_06]: I risked evenbear as commented that if he had to choose one episode, he'd go back and refine.
[SPEAKER_06]: It would be this one.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ronald E. More same thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a show that we all wish we had a second crack at.
[SPEAKER_06]: And in fact, Robert E. Wolfe was so against it, even during the actual production of the show.
[SPEAKER_06]: He kept saying, let's scrap it.
[SPEAKER_03]: pause their NSA.
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree with the writers.
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree with what I've heard from the fans about this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not a great episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: But Terry, you did some incredible work.
[SPEAKER_03]: You really did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, I can never take it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, I think there's one scene when we get to it where
[SPEAKER_03]: I forgot I was watching Star Trek or sci-fi or any of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your work was so good and it's a shame.
[SPEAKER_03]: It reminds me a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did an episode called Threshold, Unvoidger, that is the most hated episode when people say the worst episode of Voyager is Threshold by 100% everybody agrees.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I look back on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a big episode for my character.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love some of the scenes I got to play and I'm out of the work, but it's not a great episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so it's hard to have.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you can understand that frustrating feeling.
[SPEAKER_02]: It made me so angry because at the time doing it, it was fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you're not thinking of how it's getting pieced together.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's too much going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not my job.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not gonna worry about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing my job.
[SPEAKER_03]: This also remind me I will say that how important a director is to an episode, especially problematic episodes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because Renee had not directed a lot, I don't think he had the experience to kind of go, oh, oh, this is a problematic episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me...
[SPEAKER_03]: figure out a way to soften the problems and amplify the strengths, and so he just sort of let it be what it was.
[SPEAKER_03]: He shot it pretty neutrally, I guess, would be my description.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so he didn't he didn't help.
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, can you guide it as a director?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you can.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you tell your story within that story.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the director can kind of say, you know what, if we just, if we shoot this big and wide, it's going to amplify the problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: So let me, let me, you know, frame in a way and stage in a way,
[SPEAKER_03]: and paste things in a way that we scoot over the awkward stuff and we focus on the strengths of this story.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that there was a lot of help from the direction I hate to talk badly about Renee because I love Renee, but I don't think he had the experience to help make it a better episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a combination of a lot of things I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because there's obviously a learning curve.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and a skill set you acquire from the extreme experience directing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, like acting.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, here's here's a quote from our receiving bear.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was supposed to be a show that looked at 24th century morals and sexuality.
[SPEAKER_06]: We pretty much failed on both accounts.
[SPEAKER_06]: Here's another little entry here.
[SPEAKER_06]: The main reason they episode failed was because of the restrictions placed upon how open they could be about sexuality.
[SPEAKER_06]: This was a show that was supposed to be examining sex, but it wasn't allowed to actually show any sex as Wolf explains.
[SPEAKER_06]: Kids watch this show and in some markets, it airs at 5 o'clock.
[SPEAKER_06]: That meant we couldn't show skin, so there was no sex.
[SPEAKER_06]: It became a totally asexual show and once that happened, the whole thing got flushed down the toilet because none of it made sense anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if the onus of that of what the writers were thinking and the producers were thinking affected Renee in the sense that it was, okay, he had a problematic script, but he did he also have producers writers, the tone meeting, and afterwards saying, this is going to be a real problem and maybe we should scrap it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is his chance to direct, which, you know, he didn't get a lot of those chances.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he wants to do the best job he can,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that can't fail good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sure they gave him feedback about what he was doing right and what he was doing wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I will, I will disagree with the writers that they're kind of blaming it on the fact that, oh, we couldn't show sex.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, moving for the misma gotten is about is a play about passion, about sex, about a human experience with sexuality and vices and all of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you don't have nudity in the play of movies, you don't have sex.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't need that.
[SPEAKER_03]: The words you could have his scenes, yeah, where the writers were describing the experience in a way that the moves the audience and the characters.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you could have told the same story.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't need to show naked bodies to tell that story.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I disagree with the writers.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a failing on the words.
[SPEAKER_03]: and the way that this script was written, that the audience isn't, we should be moved by, you know, yes, connecting sexually or connecting with our vices, you can describe that without showing it and move the audience and tell a story.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know, it was flat.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a flat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, even Daxon Warf flat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh my God, I bought it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a colossal car accident.
[SPEAKER_06]: One last paid the trivia.
[SPEAKER_06]: The Navisitor, Serok Lofton, and Colony, may need to not appear in this episode.
[SPEAKER_06]: The Navisitor doesn't appear because she gave birth to Django during this episode.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that is why.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sit actually commented.
[SPEAKER_06]: This was one of his most, you know, his least favorite episode because of the fact that he was so focused on his,
[SPEAKER_06]: child being born.
[SPEAKER_06]: The next day was a scene that the the big breakup ceremony, the ritual thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: He had a film at the day after his kid was being born.
[SPEAKER_06]: He said he was so unfocused.
[SPEAKER_06]: The entire time.
[SPEAKER_06]: So he nailed it.
[SPEAKER_06]: He phoned it in and so he wasn't proud of his performance because he was so distracted.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, and rightly so.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, all right, we start off in the Reblemat.
[SPEAKER_03]: The O'Brien's, uh, we discover one in
[SPEAKER_03]: Lovely.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to be careful about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, Dax shows up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dax has pulled another muscle.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's been pulling a lot of muscles recently.
[SPEAKER_03]: Odo says it's, uh, what a coincidence.
[SPEAKER_03]: Warf has pulled a lot of muscles too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, busy body.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo's a busy body.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who knows?
[SPEAKER_02]: Mrs. Gravitz lives.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Dax shares with Odo and Cisco that she is going to
[SPEAKER_03]: and then warfare arrives and he immediately is really uptight about her sharing their personal information.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we see even though they're pulling a lot of muscles and getting very physical, there's some conflict already we see.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe he's pulling muscles because he's so uptight.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe needs to relax or maybe all they really have is a sexual connection and that's how that felt because it was like Why is he so upset this is so bizarre how possessive he is it's upsetting yeah, it's out of the gate Here's another thing to this point Worf already Is there's conflict you know he's mad at DAX for sharing information
[SPEAKER_03]: In my opinion, usually it's great to see a character in a certain state of being and then something happens and they change and that is the story arc right it didn't feel like we had a story like we did not he did not have a story arc no he did a change if you come into this scene and and been all in to rise and then suddenly he gets there and he's thrown by that would have been a change.
[SPEAKER_01]: To that point, it's a very good one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would venture to say there isn't anybody that has a story arc in this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody changes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but changes.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's part of what we're flat.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's flat.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just kind of the same.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't care how many naked bodies they show.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not going to make that story structure any better, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: No.
[SPEAKER_06]: In this introductory scene, we do hear about Warf being a little jealous about Dax's lunch with Captain Bo Day.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, we've heard about this guy, multiple times.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_06]: The galamite, with the scene through skull.
[SPEAKER_06]: Can we see this person for once for goodness?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, do we ever see him?
[SPEAKER_06]: No.
[SPEAKER_06]: Captain Bo Day is never seen before.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a lot of very interesting creatures that X has spent time with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have?
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody has ever seen.
[SPEAKER_06]: And Dax thought more than was cute, too.
[SPEAKER_06]: So Dax is equal opportunity data.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, she's dating or why.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, this episode, I do not understand why they're together.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a good question to her.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's an excellent question.
[SPEAKER_02]: I watched this and I thought it was.
[SPEAKER_06]: And since they, there's no reason why these two should be a couple.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's a way to drop her on her head.
[SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: seriously they're do it because see where did she go suddenly I am well leader and Bashir show up leader says you know july and i were talking it over we'd like to come along with you to rise if that's all right and we haven't seen this relationship for centuries no yeah we're they get back to you
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, because I early saw that they were even together Barely established that they're guys up until this point we know that Lida has had her eye on Wrong we we have already established that so why why What kind of going backwards?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, it's almost now for God, you know, yeah
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they didn't forget because later, of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it doesn't feel like we've, we have not built up these relationships.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even the war fendax stuff, I feel like they could have had a few more episodes to really explore the good side of this relationship before we go to this story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you can't just drop little nothings and then expect everybody to fill it in.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a screen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're expecting people to fill a lot in.
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot.
[SPEAKER_06]: But also, don't you feel that DAX now that we know who DAX is?
[SPEAKER_06]: Dex would never stand for anyone like this.
[SPEAKER_06]: She would have broken up with Warf like that is my feeling.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like this never what they never would have gotten past the first month.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I didn't give Julie in the time of day.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna let Warf slide on all this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, I don't see it intellectually, spiritually.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not supported.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not supported by the round.
[SPEAKER_03]: The next scene is in a corner Cisco sending them off.
[SPEAKER_03]: He shares that he wishes he could go He does mention that he indexed intoizable for Cisco says and they goes curse on of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: So another
[SPEAKER_03]: forced situation to make worth jealous.
[SPEAKER_02]: It felt like you know, Mr. sensitive Steve.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: The worst reaction and Cisco picking up on it seems odd to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: It felt forced.
[SPEAKER_02]: He and Otto picked up on it in the first scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess so.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they are both kind of like, I'm not touching this and leaving.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then again, it's just it's the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: I play the same scene with warf.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: until.
[SPEAKER_02]: Over and over has his breakthrough.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then suddenly the stories completely different.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we're in the airlock.
[SPEAKER_03]: Quark is waiting.
[SPEAKER_03]: We see the quark is joining them too.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's quark with leader and Bashir.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a party.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody's going to rise up.
[SPEAKER_03]: and wharf is really grumpy about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that cork joins us.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do too.
[SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_06]: How do you feel about that, Carmen?
[SPEAKER_06]: But why?
[SPEAKER_06]: Why is cork joining them?
[SPEAKER_06]: It's my question.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've already answered to exactly why is he joining them?
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand of the frivolous, uh, uh, Mr. Wrong word.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for the character that seems to be interested in free sex, more than anyone else on the station, yes, that would indicate quark, but really it doesn't make sense really for him to go except it as a vacation.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would love to line where the bars just drive me crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to get away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would have been great.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the missing scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know what else?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a free ride.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's true at Friedrich.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, speaking of the free ride, we're on the runabout.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're on our way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Leeda is serving drinks.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like she's at work.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like she's at the bar.
[SPEAKER_03]: Serving drinks to everybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: Six more hours till where the air cork comes on.
[SPEAKER_03]: He says, this cabin is tiny.
[SPEAKER_03]: Warf is super rude to you, Armin.
[SPEAKER_06]: What else is new?
[SPEAKER_06]: He never even says your name.
[SPEAKER_06]: He just calls you for Engines.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's rude to everyone in this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he tells Quarko back to your quarters and all turn around.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he just starts to turn around and Quarko's like, okay, fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll go back, but he gives everybody Quarko's everybody a Horgon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone except worth one for you one for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not for you and none for you Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is Me being someone interested in language in the sound of words.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is interesting that the idol is called a God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought of the same thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't even think of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a rise in fertility symbol.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't think it really portrays women very well in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's probably what upsets me the most.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot to that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, there is a lot to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you add that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even think of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't hear that.
[SPEAKER_02]: How about this?
[SPEAKER_02]: 30 plus years later.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for the education, Armin.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, DAX decides to go change into her vacation clothes.
[SPEAKER_03]: So does Lida and Bashir and Worfist still grumpy the same way he started this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nothing's changed.
[SPEAKER_03]: We go to Ryza, we're out on a lawn.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where did you shoot this?
[SPEAKER_03]: Malibu.
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys?
[SPEAKER_03]: You did?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was gorgeous.
[SPEAKER_03]: It looks like a spot in Malibu, where I shot an episode of Murder She wrote.
[SPEAKER_03]: probably it was there's not many grassy little parks around there yeah yeah we I did an episode of Murder Shiro that was said in Hawaii and we shot it out in Malibu with this place and it looked like the exact same spot.
[SPEAKER_06]: Speaking of this location terrifier here's a question on memory alpha it says a number of problems occurred during the filming of let he who is without sin at a beach in Malibu
[SPEAKER_06]: For example, Terry Farrell cannot be in direct sunlight for very long, which meant that for many exteriors there needed to be a shelter nearby.
[SPEAKER_06]: And according to director Renee Obergenwatt, the producers forgot to organize a tent for Farrell.
[SPEAKER_06]: And Obergenwatt himself had to hunt one down and set it up, putting up, putting the shoal several hours behind schedule.
[SPEAKER_06]: So that did happen.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's not a fallacy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like the also when we get to the point when there is the rally or whatever it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Renee made sure that whole structure that we were under that shaded.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it was the hyper pigmentation was really alarming.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, you know, how when you see people some women sometimes with the kind of mask, that's what happened to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: incredibly kind and generous to take care of me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, totally for him to run out there to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't like it with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was the one sticking up for me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then, you know, in that scene when they, like you said, when they put up that little,
[SPEAKER_06]: It's tended shaded area during the big speech, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: The extras, he chose this one area for the extras to stand on, but when they actually stood on it, it was covered with these like burrs and stuff that was hurting their feet.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so a lot of different things that really pushed this film and nightmare back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're out there in Malibu, Bashir and Lita head off to go have a little fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: Quark finds two ladies with his horgons.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got a couple of horgons.
[SPEAKER_03]: How many horgons did you bring?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or maybe as it takes the suitcase full of Oregon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they, uh, they're, they're into it.
[SPEAKER_03]: The fertility symbol works and he's off with the two ladies and then.
[SPEAKER_03]: Warf is complaining, uh, how this is just a fake paradise.
[SPEAKER_03]: The whole place is manufactured because in its natural state, this would be a range of jungle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Warf removes her B-trap to say, uh, you know, it's a beauty.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember my B-trap.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you remove your beach wrap into her bathing suit and war finally says something nice that she is the most beautiful thing he has ever seen.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that was refreshing to me because he had been complaining since the first scene.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, oh, that's the only nice thing that came out of his mouth.
[SPEAKER_06]: The whole episode, that's it.
[SPEAKER_06]: The rest is grumpy, grumpy, warf.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I guess that was the poet.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the poet came out.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, for you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Is Jamal Haran just the rise and way of saying sex?
[SPEAKER_06]: Is that what that is?
[SPEAKER_06]: If you seek Jamal Haran.
[SPEAKER_01]: They think that's what they indicate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's interesting that this, you know, I kept wondering, wow, they're visiting Ryza, but when I did more research, Iris Steven Bear was the writer who introduced Ryza in an episode of TNG that he wrote.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, this is, did not make sense to me because in the episode where you see me getting my cement, the wind that he's very much alive on the table, very, very old man.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's, how could he have died in Ryza if he was on a table alive when I was receiving?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because she says I killed him.
[SPEAKER_03]: and worse like killed him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she says, yeah, death by tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_03]: I suppose there were ways to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then Dax says, trust me, he died happy.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they're making this joke about something that just doesn't seem possible with the other storyline.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, for God.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's a glitch.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like somebody should have read that and said, oh, no, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: He heard someone say he had a heart attack, but he did not die.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think somewhere I read that they've they've given cars on multiple different types of deaths in in reference to him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe cars on died many deaths.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a cat.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was a cat.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a cat.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was a cat.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a cat.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a cat.
[SPEAKER_03]: about dying from sex when I it felt like a cheap joe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it did land.
[SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: Terry here's a really funny thing that a fan pointed out.
[SPEAKER_06]: Evidently in your swimsuit you can see the Speedo logo on your right hip.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it said it could be that Speedo is still making swimwear in the 24th century.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that's funny.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's what the fan wrote.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I did not like that bathing suit.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't like the whole like that kind of pattern being the cell that it's sci-fi.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like I think they made a better effort with Vanessa Williams and I thought Chase looked amazing too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: But mine was just too on the nose for that stereotype of it being sci-fi.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how I felt about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I must say this, both you and Chase were very comfortable in your swim suits, whereas when I look at Sid in his swim suit, he's, he's, he's, he's kind of ring up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got his arms up here.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever you feel uncomfortable, because I learned this modeling, you just got to suck it up, buttercup, and act like you feel comfortable.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the only way to get through it, because otherwise it reads that you're acting to me, because I mean, if your character is comfortable, your character is comfortable, you have to get over that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Aranda's offers to show them around, but Worf says no, he's not interested and then she leaves and Worf says Dax doesn't take their relationship seriously at all that if she were a cling on woman that they'd be married by now.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Dax argues, you know what, I'm not a cling on woman, I'm independent and I'm going to go have an eco buried juice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, while you go change into your swimsuit worth, it just relax.
[SPEAKER_06]: But he doesn't relax.
[SPEAKER_06]: Worf says, uh, I co-barid juice.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're allergic to I co-barid juice.
[SPEAKER_06]: You can end again.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is such a couple of arguments and then taxes like, I know I'm allergic.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just like the taste of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to drink it.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, so it just became what they have been bigger.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, but because the the real bottom line is, she's pointing out that it's her mistake to make.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's she has her own autonomy that he's not in charge and but she does it was it's like we're watching a rom-com from the 50s On some level with this that's not funny, but there's something about the style of it that makes me think of that I've always nicknamed this episode a deep space 90210 That's very fun
[SPEAKER_03]: I did like the hard cut after a DAX has go change in your bathing suit to work with the gold limit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I shielded there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that was funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Imagine how funny it would be if he actually came out with those on.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, yes, which he should have at the end of his head of your absolute right arm and as grumpy as he was throughout this episode there are moments of humor that warf brings the holding of the swimsuit on the shuttle earlier when he looks over at Bashir do not hug me at that level.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so Warf doesn't want to put on his man Keenie and then a man enters and he is with the new essentialist movement.
[SPEAKER_03]: We learn that there's this two men if I may two men.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yes, they come in there part of the new essentialist move is the boolean comes into I thought it was just the Fullerton or the boolean comes in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, just isn't shanny Frank.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay, shanny.
[SPEAKER_03]: We learn that the new essentialists are against all of this rise of stuff, the self-indulgence.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like piratins.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, they're almost religious without any religious reference, but.
[SPEAKER_03]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, very well, which is the other side of when you're the title, let he is who let he who is without sin cast the first stone, he they are the unenlightened.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, fundamentalists in a way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I guess it comes from we're going to learn that it comes from this idea that the federation is all about hard work.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not really a religious drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's a pure like frivolous you don't care.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a judgment for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a judgment and every time he came out, I wanted to say we're on vacation, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're taking a break from the stress of war.
[SPEAKER_02]: This doesn't work for me at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the weirdest, like, where are we going with this?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Fullerton is his name.
[SPEAKER_03]: He invites a warf to a protest, basically, and says they intend to shut all this down.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we can see Warf is interested in this.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's intrigued.
[SPEAKER_03]: Out into the Solarium area.
[SPEAKER_03]: Warf still in his uniform, did not put on his mancini.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's reading the new essentialist writings and he's really into this and Dax shows up She wishes he would stop reading these fundamentalist beliefs and just change out of his uniform and relax so Morph is not interested.
[SPEAKER_03]: He wants to read about The new essentialist and he tells Dax it wouldn't hurt you to read this
[SPEAKER_03]: So, he's very controlling, Terry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, the red flags that are flying in my face, I mean, I honestly had some triggering moments watching this, but it mirrored my life on several real life, yes, and to watch that it was a little not painful.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've worked on a lot of work, but it just revealed how
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, how toxic this relationship is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't never thought of Dax and Worf as having a toxic relationship, but this makes me feel so uneasy as a grown-up who's worked on their stuff and can see where I went wrong in the past and why?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not saying the why from Dax, but I don't understand how she's
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I don't get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't get how she's acting the way she is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we go inside a cubicle leader is getting a massage, a sonic massage.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a nice camera move.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a camera move.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she looks gorgeous.
[SPEAKER_06]: Two things, the masseuse, the Ryzen Ryzen, Ryzen, Ryzen, how do you say it?
[SPEAKER_06]: Ryzen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ryzen.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ryzen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ryzen.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ryzen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ryzen.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ryzen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ry
[SPEAKER_02]: That's too bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: It must have looked great.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and they took it out and they did this one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like Star Trek, if I'm being honest, in the 90s, in our day, made me uncomfortable when they dealt with sexuality.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know if it was the writing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it was just the costuming, but it felt exploitive often.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and a little forced.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the way that they wrote
[SPEAKER_03]: dealing with sexuality.
[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't feel right.
[SPEAKER_03]: It always felt exploitive and not natural.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like people wouldn't do this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if they were really attracted to each other, they never quite got it right to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Our show or your show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Terry had the right word for puritanical.
[SPEAKER_01]: As much as they wanted to break that and they wanted to talk about sexuality, they were
[SPEAKER_01]: Whether that came from the head office, whether that came from the writer's room, don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there was a puritanical feeling to structure that I don't think they ever got over, at least not in the Burma New Year's anyway.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was awkward, it was just always awkward to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: All the shows, whether it was TNG or your show or our show, whenever stories got into that area of human experience, I always felt like,
[SPEAKER_03]: something's off here.
[SPEAKER_03]: It just doesn't feel real.
[SPEAKER_02]: When they dealt with it in a physical way, it was sexy and fun, but not in a dramatic way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't done.
[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't feel like those were deep discussions, which could have been very interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, lead us getting her massage in the re-shoots scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's explaining how hard it is to be a dabbo girl, but but she's not there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was a little confused.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, wait, didn't they come together?
[SPEAKER_03]: And they seem so excited to be here together, but she's with another dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: getting a massage.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a McGuffin.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we meant to think that we're meant to think that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: But the massage of her naked is even more like, ooh, because the whole thing is at the end.
[SPEAKER_06]: Dax has to take worse head and physically turn it to make him get out of the cake.
[SPEAKER_06]: So he's staring initially.
[SPEAKER_06]: I thought he was staring because of lead us nakedness.
[SPEAKER_06]: But really he was shocked that Bashir was not there.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's what his whole stare was.
[SPEAKER_06]: But it would have been more impactful if they left it.
[SPEAKER_06]: in the back.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, yes, the other way doesn't seem like.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a little cleavage and DAX is now suddenly it bothers me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that bothered DAX to be protective of Lita.
[SPEAKER_06]: And in fact, it would have been better if she was in the bathtub and he was in the bathtub with her.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, she said she's seen it saying now we wouldn't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, there's two naked people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as far as cleavage goes, the favorite bent quarks bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a big deal, it's not a big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not, but they make it like it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dax and Warf walk out to the Solarium Warf is offended by this, and Dax says this is none of our business.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, Dax wants to go take in some sites, and Warf says, no, I can't.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to the Essentialist Rally, and I plan to attend it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I like Dax as long you're kidding.
[SPEAKER_03]: you're not kidding.
[SPEAKER_03]: So just be realized.
[SPEAKER_03]: We go out to the beach and there's a big crowd out there or a warf brings Dax to hear Fullerton and the essentialist talk.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they see Bashir with another woman out here on the beach.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's kissing her, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: day's after his baby has been born.
[SPEAKER_01]: Must have been uncomfortable for said had to be uncomfortable.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sure, a coincidence.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was doing this mini series, a Jackie Collins mini series back in 1990.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jackie Collins wrote all these.
[SPEAKER_02]: trashy, but like the Daniel steal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I did this many series called lucky chances that was whatever and Nikola Sheridan was the lead one of the leads of it and I played a character who was like a politician son that gets married to Nikola Sheridan and then she dumps him and she's just
[SPEAKER_03]: My daughter, Taylor in 1990, was born at about one in the morning.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then that same morning after she was born, I had to go do the wedding scene in Pasadena with Nicolette Sheridan, and I have a seven a.m.
[SPEAKER_03]: Call or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had not slept all night because it was a sea section.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I maybe dosed off for a half hour or something at 4 a.m., my daughter had just been born.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we've shown like, yeah, six hours of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm standing on set rehearsing wedding scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: marrying Nicolae Sheridan.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, what is happening in the world?
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like, it was like said, though, I got that's why I share that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had the same kind of morning.
[SPEAKER_03]: with having a kid and then having to go to a wedding scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: Having your first child.
[SPEAKER_03]: The show must go on.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, yes, we're at the beach.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's this essentialist rally.
[SPEAKER_03]: They see Peshire, Randas joins them.
[SPEAKER_03]: And at this point, she's dismissing Fullerton in these essentials.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's like, oh, they're wasting their time.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a show.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let them do what they want.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody's here to do what they want.
[SPEAKER_03]: If that's what they want to do, fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, bless them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Fullerton does arrive and gives this big speech where he says they're all like children, like lazy spoiled children.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they need to embrace hard work.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what created the Federation.
[SPEAKER_03]: He says if you don't, I haven't helped you.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's a little religious
[SPEAKER_01]: What's called Calvinism, that's exactly what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Calvinism.
[SPEAKER_01]: Calvinism is you have to work hard for God to appreciate you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so he finishes his judgeee speech and we go back to this Larium, Warftax and Bashir are sitting there and Warftax and Bashir that Fullerton is right, the clingsons are attacking right now because they think the Federation is soft and weak.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's kind of justifying this clinging on war with, well, it makes sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys are just, you know, you're not working hard.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're not taking this seriously.
[SPEAKER_01]: and uh... leader arrives and before you go any further i have to say this that this episode was done thirty years ago yeah that's the same argument that we're hearing today mm-hmm from our yes yes yeah it's a timeless argument right i want daks to slap work and go wake up wake up you know get out of whatever this
[SPEAKER_02]: Reptilian brain you're in and wake up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but if I may just we know Warf's background You say it in this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was he was raised by human human He's yes, he looks cling on but his culture.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the debate between nurture and nature Yes, okay and they're fighting back and forth, but but warf
[SPEAKER_01]: Over does being a clean on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm not saying Michael does.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying more of overdoses.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, yes, I understand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, to prove that he is because he doesn't feel validated over compensating.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Lita arrives and kisses this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: So now, you know, they've got an open relationship it appears at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is none of our business.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it's a warlessness in this scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's very.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but it's still none of our business.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're.
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: Worse says they dishonor each other and Bashir and lead to explain that they're conducting the bejorn right of separations.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is part of the process of breaking up and the bejorn tradition.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's a reminder that they why they love each other and they share that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then they
[SPEAKER_03]: nearby and we cut around to another part of Ryze here and they're tearing up the place.
[SPEAKER_03]: The essentialists are pulling down curtains and they have phaser rifles, phaser rifles, their people are running and yelling and DAX grabs a phaser rifle and realizes it's not even loaded and Fullerton says this proves how soft and vulnerable everybody is because we could just
[SPEAKER_02]: And we didn't want to hurt anyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but we wanted to wake you up and scare you and to show you your point of view.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Dax says, you know, what I could arrest you for what you just did.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he goes, now the residents are too soft.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not even going to prosecute us.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't have the courage to stand up to us.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he finishes the scene with a reference to war because, you know,
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's kind of like seducing work into this cult.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would quibble with Dax's statement that I could arrest you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see that as part of her skills or her ability or her authority.
[SPEAKER_01]: She is, she is an officer, yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: She's not security.
[SPEAKER_06]: She's not military police.
[SPEAKER_06]: She's not starfleet.
[SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, she's a science officer.
[SPEAKER_06]: So because she have the capability to arrest somebody, is the question.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're saying no.
[SPEAKER_01]: can a military officer walk into a room and arrest someone who's not military.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just found it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's sloppy.
[SPEAKER_02]: The language, yeah, I was going to say lazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like lazy language.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, I mean, I'm wearing the same bathing suit, the entire time, which is a little gross.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, you need it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is like in the ocean bathing suit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I do not, I was different uniform that looked the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had three, and I think you had three, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I had more than three, but they weren't uniform.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know what the right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Worf is staring at the statue, Dax says, you know, come to bed.
[SPEAKER_03]: You had like a nightgown on or something here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know I called it a teddy in my notes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I called it a teddy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like a slip.
[SPEAKER_02]: A chimise.
[SPEAKER_06]: A chimise.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, it's not that Yucky bathing suit.
[SPEAKER_06]: You got a chimise on something different.
[SPEAKER_02]: the point is we're all in vacation.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know about you, but I pack more than one bathing suit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll be each vacation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Warf wants to discuss their relationship here.
[SPEAKER_03]: He says, you know, she is too impulsive.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he says, what you do, Dax, reflects on me.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was like, what, uh, are you kidding?
[SPEAKER_02]: He says that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, are we back in the 50s?
[SPEAKER_02]: Then it's a parental thing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was because I remember feeling that growing up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, you represent me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a very gnar.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the stick.
[SPEAKER_06]: His ego here.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: When he said that, I mean, I kept thinking the hits keep on coming from Warf.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I was waiting for you to break up with him.
[SPEAKER_06]: I thought that was going to happen in this episode.
[SPEAKER_06]: Dax, Dom, Warf.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm done she's very nice to know she says you know what I because he says I wish you were different because what you do reflects them in she goes why wish you were different I wish you have more fun but we're not going to change each other like you're going to be you I mean he's a Buddha in this.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the right attitude.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's Buddha she keeps coming out and with love coming out and with love.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's some love it's just remarkable.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, she goes to bed, he says he'll be in there in a little while, and we have a time cut the next morning.
[SPEAKER_03]: The risons are, I've cleaned up this mess.
[SPEAKER_03]: The, the, the Fullerton and his guys destroyed, they've cleaned it up pretty quickly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dax is frustrated with
[SPEAKER_03]: and remembers the curse on really loved it here.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, come have some fun, and Dax says no, Dax offers to help clean up the mess.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Miranda says response is, well, all that is ours is yours.
[SPEAKER_03]: So she's happy to have you help.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was sweet.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a cute moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Out in the garden, Bashir and leader doing this ceremony.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're kneeling in front of each other or the separation ceremony.
[SPEAKER_03]: Quark is the witness to this separation ceremony.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's very disappointed when it's over.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where were the fireworks?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, where was the screaming in the yelling?
[SPEAKER_03]: Too tame for cork.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but sure's like, no, this is great.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel good.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no drama.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no hurt feelings.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Lita goes, yeah, I mean, too, find that can be honest.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she shares she was having feelings for someone else while they were dating.
[SPEAKER_01]: and Maya goes immediately thinks it's me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was me.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was looking at you, so that wasn't completely out of place that your character was like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that was Renee setting that up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's that's the angle of the camera.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cute.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but she reveals it's wrong that she's been thinking about and Bashir is in shock more than shock little jealous very jealous yeah the no hurt feeling that sharing that the overlap of not that that's not real it just felt like
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it feels, why did you have to make it such a long period of time, not the last couple of weeks, but she says the last couple of months, that's like, why did you wait so long to say goodbye to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, another missed step, I think, I know, we have a very sit-commy beat here.
[SPEAKER_06]: Lita says, Ram, he's so cute, very sexy.
[SPEAKER_06]: But she goes cute, cork goes sexy, and but she's in cork together.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ram?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I loved your delivery of sexy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was the perfect, uh, it was like salt and pepper, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, uh, it was salt, you were pepper, and then it just was a beautiful, well-played comic moment, not surprised of your talent, but it was just another laugh-out loud moment in this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which this episode needs?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, they're only a couple, but yours was one of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like it the end when you hand the sheer, the, the, the Horgon and you're like, here.
[SPEAKER_03]: You need this more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was good too.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a very good button.
[SPEAKER_03]: We do find Worf's looking for DAX.
[SPEAKER_03]: He comes around the corner, finds DAX with horrendous molding some clay, this giant phallic symbol.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's the ghost's moment, the movie ghost when there's a ghost.
[SPEAKER_02]: May I say something about this?
[SPEAKER_02]: OK, she was scripted.
[SPEAKER_02]: Vanessa Williams character had her whole body around me like they had a ghost and ghost.
[SPEAKER_02]: But she was so tiny next to me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, it didn't look like with her arms around.
[SPEAKER_02]: You couldn't see her.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm six feet tall and she's like behind me and it was like these little arms.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had to work with it being in another angle.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's so cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think is
[SPEAKER_02]: Like not unlikely to being in the bathtub, it was not nearly as sexual or kind of...
[SPEAKER_02]: misunderstanding.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't get why he got so crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I can understand if they made it look more sexual that she was around me and kind of holding me and having her hands on mine really like how it was in ghost.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would have been more impactful for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe they should have
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have been right.
[SPEAKER_02]: My body could have done it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Worf is really angry and jealous and upset, he goes, it turns around goes in the other room, picks up the Horgon statue that's in your quarters and he throws it against the wall and it smashes into two pieces.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look like a preset product.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't even know if it's smashed into two, Robbie, I think.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like a bit chipped off or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I had to see this the second time before I got on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's why he's upset the first time.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, why is he so upset?
[SPEAKER_02]: Neethrosa's statue.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is, I don't get this drama.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, say throws it against in the corner of the room and it breaks.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now we cut to Fullerton's room and Fullerton's frustrated.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just not working fast enough.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not making it big enough difference.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's when the war fenders.
[SPEAKER_03]: and he says, I know what will work.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, Worf's now gone to the dark side.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a Calvinist.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's beyond gone to the dark side.
[SPEAKER_01]: What he's about to do is a violation of the first principle of start fleet in diffuring off another culture's way of life.
[SPEAKER_03]: The proactive, the primary option.
[SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's one of the big knocks on this episode from fandom and even for the writers, if you think about it.
[SPEAKER_06]: that he had no consequences for.
[SPEAKER_06]: He should have been court-martialed for what he did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, sorry.
[SPEAKER_06]: You can't just do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we come back from our commercial break and Bashir and Quark are discussing, uh, discuss DAX and Warf.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're discussing right in front of DAX.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're situation, but it's like DAX isn't even there.
[SPEAKER_03]: She says, well, you two, two play stuff talking about me like I'm not here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which guys do?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, I really like the scene with the three of us because it feels very relaxed and in a real life kind of way and we don't get very many of those moments in deep space nine.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I really appreciate it that three of us got to, it felt play together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it was a three friends having a good time on the scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, and calling me out it's a nice scene at that you don't see it often on DS.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is a nice scene And I'm the only one talking the truth about what?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you are you're talking the truth and then DAX is defending him and kind of saying yes He may you know not be perfect, but he's the one that I want
[SPEAKER_01]: and I don't know why do you why I don't understand kiddie and I had a very close friend who we knew separately not together and when he found out that these two friends that he knew we're getting married he said he'll never work it was was he right
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's 44 years later, maybe he was wrong.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you're talking about you guys.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah, you're talking about you guys.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_06]: Dead wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't even imagine you're not together.
[SPEAKER_02]: It'd be so hard.
[SPEAKER_06]: It all, it's almost like we think of our, oh, we think of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Kitty and Armin, we don't think of just Armin alone.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's always a combo.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you, yeah, and it's right, that's the right billing, by the way.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, it's not Armin and Kitty.
[SPEAKER_06]: Kitty and Armin, I do love corkspot, little line here.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, no sense waiting around here for him, talking about, Worf, I say we take some floaters up into the hills and go skinny dipping in hot springs.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, what, what cork is this?
[SPEAKER_06]: Who is this guy?
[SPEAKER_06]: It was like, ooh.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually sounded like a really good idea to meet, too.
[SPEAKER_06]: You should as it let's go, Cork is what you should as in.
[SPEAKER_03]: It did feel out of character for Cork being here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just the way that he engaged this whole experience.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like Cork's always got an angle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even if he doesn't come into it planning,
[SPEAKER_03]: And Angle, he would discover an opportunity and go down that rabbit hole.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I wish that he, maybe he came here thinking he was going to go on vacation.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then it would have been a more interesting story.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I would have understood quirk if he discovered a business opportunity.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then was trying to make that happen as a B story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you think of it, what's his purpose for being there?
[SPEAKER_01]: And they should have exported a tiny bit, which is he's been
[SPEAKER_01]: They've asked him, leader, and Bashir have asked him to be the witness, and so he's coming along not only for a vacation, but also to play the witness, that and that was his purpose, and because he's friends with DAX primarily, and we're, you know, he's included in those conversations, as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you're right, I kind of felt like they didn't give me anything to do in the previous episodes, so they gave you something to do in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we're overloaded on scenes with Dax and War of having this frustration with each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: They could have, you know, edited out a few of those and added a real storyline for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that is more important.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because your character, what I like about this episode for your character is I
[SPEAKER_02]: feel relaxed when you're on screen because it's not messing with what makes sense in my head for the characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like like a piece in a painting where there's like, oh, something relaxing for your eye.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you were very comforting whenever court came in.
[SPEAKER_02]: very necessary piece of the painting that makes it like work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I just love your character in this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just wish they would have given you more to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it will even just show you with different women every time.
[SPEAKER_02]: What have been amazing in different situations like in the hot tub or down the hot springs or you know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have liked that too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have liked it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would have worked.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, our arandis shows up.
[SPEAKER_03]: She says she can't find war anywhere and suddenly there's lightning in the room, which is not supposed to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a beautiful sunny place all the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she says, well, something must be wrong with the weather grid.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we've learned from Worf earlier that this is the weather is controlled here.
[SPEAKER_03]: He says this place is all fake.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's manufactured.
[SPEAKER_03]: It would be a jungle.
[SPEAKER_03]: OK.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what?
[SPEAKER_03]: We go out to the Solarium.
[SPEAKER_03]: People are, you know,
[SPEAKER_03]: dealing with the rain, it's a really strong storm, and a randist tells all the vacationers that they will fix the grid very soon.
[SPEAKER_03]: They'll get the sun back, and Fullerton arrives and says, nope, you can't, you're not going to get it back really soon, and Wurf admits he did all this, and Dax and Bashir and Quark can't believe that they're shocked that he's done it.
[SPEAKER_03]: and Worf stands by what he did.
[SPEAKER_03]: He says if the Federation citizens can't handle a little bad weather, how will they handle a dominion invasion?
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's very committed to this.
[SPEAKER_03]: A little bit later, the lightning and the thunder are continuing quark comes inside from the rain.
[SPEAKER_03]: I kind of like that shot that was like down that hallway, and you see it's pretty stormed.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was very pretty.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like that too.
[SPEAKER_03]: we do learn that pharyngees have 178 words for rain.
[SPEAKER_03]: I never knew about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very rainy planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pharyngeanor is a very rainy planet.
[SPEAKER_06]: We do learn one of the words that pharyngees have for rain because cork says, right now, it's glebending out there.
[SPEAKER_06]: So glebending is a word for angi word for horrible rain.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm guessing, like, hot cork.
[SPEAKER_06]: I like that word, Glebboning.
[SPEAKER_03]: Lebboning.
[SPEAKER_03]: We should start using that for now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Lebboning sounds a little yiddish to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_03]: A random try is to keep the guests entertained.
[SPEAKER_03]: She talks about indoor hoverball, but it's getting bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Things are getting bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: We cut over to Fullerton's room.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's very happy that people are leaving, Ryza.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Worf is happy too.
[SPEAKER_03]: He says it's working.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now people will have take a moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll stop their vacations and all their hedonistic behavior.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they'll think about this message that Fullerton's been trying to share.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Worf says he's done on Ryza and he leaves.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Fullerton says, you know, tomorrow they're going to be able to fix the grid, and it's not enough.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have to do more, but he has a plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: So bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, a little mustache twirling there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Frank's character tells us the 30% of the population or the guests on Ryza have left.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So 30% is good, but it's not enough for Fullerton.
[SPEAKER_03]: He wants more.
[SPEAKER_03]: He wants a 100%.
[SPEAKER_01]: But why, why would Fecting Ryza have anything to do with the rest of the fendering?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's much bigger than this little planet, this little beach in Malibu.
[SPEAKER_02]: There should have been a backstory for reason that he has so much to stain for Ryza.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he had a...
[SPEAKER_02]: something bad happened to him there and he wants to get back at them, you know, it just, it just is empty.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no fuel behind any of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps it needs another character.
[SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps it needs a high mucky muck from Federation, uh, government to be there, and for Fullerton to be trying to affect
[SPEAKER_01]: That person you guys are high, but but you're only on the space station.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody from Starfleet headquarters like an admiral right to try to convince them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah another missing scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow We're given everybody a lot today.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think this is a complete rewrite.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've written this up a thing now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes Back in Jackson, Worf's room.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dax is really mad.
[SPEAKER_03]: She says that this isn't about Fullerton or Arandis, it's about the two of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: He says he doesn't want to lose her and she asks, why?
[SPEAKER_03]: And he tells a very long story backstory about a boy who was accidentally hurt playing soccer and that that boy died, that worth, you know, accidentally
[SPEAKER_02]: the headheads, but war didn't feel it at all with his clang on his clang on his human boy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Turtle show it got crushed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: After that, he always believed and remembered that humans are very fragile and he's always got a practice restraint.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she says that explains a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a very nice moment for you Terry.
[SPEAKER_01]: So good to see you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this was great for the two of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: But to me, this had nothing to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: with Fullerton.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just wonderful for Daxon Morph to have this conversation and there should have, I think, more conversations, kind of like little appetizers and then this is the meal, not this one note story and suddenly we have this scene and now I'm like, oh great, we're okay now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it feels like this one story he shares about the boy and his back story is enough to go,
[SPEAKER_02]: and messing with the weather grid and.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And somewhere in their deck should say, well, you hurt me many times over.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But with the trips to the hospital.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is a really nice scene, though, Terry.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't want to underplay that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is so beautifully played by you, in particular.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: You did great work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I worked hard to get there tonight, Herman.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: The end of the scene, there's a, there's a tremor.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Warf knows that this must be the essentialist doing something else.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we head out to Fullerton's room, Fullerton's thrilled.
[SPEAKER_03]: People are running everywhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: He just wants to push it more and the bully and Mr. Kopeck in the room.
[SPEAKER_03]: From Kopeck says, no, you can't push it anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to destroy everything here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Every house will, everybody will be killed or hurt.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's when Dax and Worf arrive, and they demand the uplink control, they restore the weather link and Fullerton is very disappointed and Worf says he's turning his back on the federation and then he slaps Worf.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I was like, what are you doing?
[SPEAKER_06]: Why?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_02]: Physical violence that I did not see that coming from Fullerton.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's out of character.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no reason for it to slap him.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's just none whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Push him maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but slap him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And let's have a duel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's have a tool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Grandpa, forward to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And according to the things we've learned about of clinging on culture, if he slaps him a certain way, it's death to the, you know, it's a tool indeed.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, the glow to the death is what it does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it does.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it doesn't make sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it just,
[SPEAKER_02]: And he just told the story about how we killed that boy and how he has great restraint, not what 20 seconds later, he's throwing the sky across the floor.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does something that he's never done before, nor do I think he's capable of doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You lift him off the ground right up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I should when did you become Spider-Man?
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: With one arm.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen that.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's still clinging on.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's still.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you grown?
[SPEAKER_06]: I have never seen a criminal do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, Armin's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think more than Spider-Man, it was like Superman.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's so great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it was Spider-Man's like kind of lift.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, what is that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's many ways you can respond to that slap, but that one, just is out of the universe.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a long, long.
[SPEAKER_01]: it would be like me lifting someone up like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't make any difference.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: The level of rage after the conversation he just had with me, that level of rage in the storyline that didn't have to do with me having him think that I am betraying him is odd too.
[SPEAKER_02]: With how he has his storyline, you would think if he was going to act out like that, it would have been about me being with
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, not about it was just none of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: What for now?
[SPEAKER_06]: Terry, how about this?
[SPEAKER_06]: At that moment when he gets slapped, he picks up Grandpa Forton and at that moment he looks over at you and you give him that look like we just had this talk about self-restring and he lets him down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: He doesn't take him and throw him across the room like a wrecked old man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Both hands, both hands, by the collar like
[SPEAKER_06]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: Just show the restraint that you just talked about that you have right don't there's no consistency for any of the characters other than I think Core lead a and Dr. Bashir Yeah, but even the leading Bashir is added the blue to because we haven't seen that relation exactly that is weird to yep
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we go out to the beach.
[SPEAKER_03]: The sun is back up and Quarks says, figures, the sun comes back the day I'm leaving.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that was fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a nice hero shot of everyone walking down the beach.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that shot, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: We used to sign a lot of that picture.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what happened to it, but.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, lead is happy to go back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Quark goes to find Bashir.
[SPEAKER_03]: He says, the last time he saw him, he had a horror gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he brought a whole gun down to breakfast, and that's the last time I saw him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Arandis comes to say goodbye to Cursons, has come back any time.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Warf wants to watch both of the sun's set, which I thought was a nice little detail.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dax wants to go for a swim.
[SPEAKER_03]: Warf says, I don't have a bathing suit.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he does.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got the mankini from Goldlemae suit.
[SPEAKER_06]: He does have that.
[SPEAKER_06]: But not with him.
[SPEAKER_06]: So with him when he says, I didn't bring it and Dax says, I won't tell if you won't.
[SPEAKER_06]: If you don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they go off in the sunset swimming.
[SPEAKER_03]: And when you got two sun setting, I like that shot with the two sun.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nice physical shot.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I really liked it because the episode was over at that point.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wrote down restraint can go too far and prevent you from experiencing true happiness.
[SPEAKER_03]: like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Terfer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pay attention to red flags.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the green ones and the yellow ones, but when there are more red flags in any other color, hit hit hit hit the road jack.
[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm in shimmering.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wrote, trust is a fundamental element in relationships, but it takes time to earn, and can be easily broken.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Amen to that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Very well spoken.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so my lesson from this episode is this is the episode everyone should watch.
[SPEAKER_06]: and realize everything warf does is what you should not do in a relationship.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is like literally a primer guide for do not act like this.
[SPEAKER_06]: Alright, our Patreon poll winner for theme slash less and slash more of this episode as submitted by Cody is even Star Trek DS9 produced a genuinely terrible episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, we did, and it's not the only one, but this is a pretty bad one.
[SPEAKER_06]: But there is a silver lining.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's even DS9, meaning Cody feels that DS9 is the best of all.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's very fine.
[SPEAKER_06]: Can produce a poopy episode.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, that's it for this episode, everyone.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thanks for joining us.
[SPEAKER_06]: And thank you to both Terry and Armanda.
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