[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Sexology, a podcast that untangles the science of sex and pleasure.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now, with this week's episode, your host, Clinical Psychologist, Dr. Naseneen Moali.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello there, welcome back to another episode of The Sexology Podcast, I'm your host, Dr. Nazaneen Woolly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And today's episode invites you into a very different way of thinking about healing, pleasure and embodiment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: today's episode is one of my favorite conversations that I had so far.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the reason is I have two colleagues that are deeply respect on this show and we're going to talk about something very intriguing which is swimming with dolphins.
[SPEAKER_02]: My guests are Amy Quinn and Malia Carvalo to healers and guides whose work leaves at the intersection of sexuality, somatic healing, psychedelic and
[SPEAKER_02]: In this conversation, we talk about moments when sexuality itself became healing for these colleagues.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to talk about how they cultivate that confidence and a deeper sense of connection to the body through this embodied experiences.
[SPEAKER_02]: We also explore how non-verbal communication through sound, vibration, touch and movement can teach us something profound about sex, desire and emotional intimacy.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're curious about pleasure as a healing force, embodiment beyond words or what it means to feel truly at home in your body again.
[SPEAKER_02]: This episode will stretch your imagination in the most beautiful way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's dive in!
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello and welcome back to another episode of this exology podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am so excited to welcome two of the most empowering women in my community.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are amazing healer.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm I'm excited to have this conversation with with them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to welcome Amy Quinn and Maria Carvalio.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I am for our listeners that they don't know about your background.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know Amy, you're at like the social worker and I know Malia, you've been doing what you've been in the healing ground for many decades now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Although you're super young, so can you tell us a little bit about how did you arrive to this place?
[SPEAKER_03]: So my journey is, I mean, I could go on and on.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it started, it was 11, 11, 11, 11.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I got hired at my first therapeutic massage job.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so it all started with therapeutic massage.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then weaved into yoga.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had my first flat medicine ceremony with Ayahuasca.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm Ayahuasca in 2016.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this was just about a month after swimming with the wild dolphins and Hawaii for the first time, which was exactly 10 years ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, so I had this beautiful summer the wild dolphins I was going through so much in my life at this point, and I had this experience where I dove down with them, and it was just a friend and I swimming offshore.
[SPEAKER_03]: and they're about two or three hundred of them, just offshore, and about 50 of them came back, and I dove down with my long, freediving fins, and I looked around and they had formed a circle around me, and they just, telepathically, I just had this sense that I was going to be okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: They told me, it's okay, you're going to be okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then a month later, I had my first Ayahuasca experience.
[SPEAKER_03]: and it was mystical.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was connected.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had this whole beautiful divine experience of opening my sexuality.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had an orgasm on every single energy center.
[SPEAKER_03]: So everything from the body all the way through the heart to the third eye of visionary experience.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was connected back
[SPEAKER_03]: kind of going into another story, but I had been even taking herbal testosterone and I thought that I wanted to transition for a while and so nobody would guess that about me at this point now in my life ten years later and so I got very connected to my feminine, my sexuality and then from there I when it started to go into Tantra which has been a huge spectrum of everything from
[SPEAKER_03]: very sensual with couples, men, women in the flesh, kind of going into more somatic intimacy work.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I basically got this message on this first couple of ceremonies that Mama Ayahuasca is this master tantraka.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I am to kind of share this mind-body connection, healing sexuality,
[SPEAKER_03]: helping people overcome societal shame, religious shame, just all of these things past traumas through the body, through loving the body.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not always about the flesh and about sex, but that's what all these modalities weave into each other so well.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't have to be having sex.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're swimming with the dolphins, you know, where maybe having a
[SPEAKER_03]: a psychedelic experience, or we are having a beautiful intimate experience with a partner.
[SPEAKER_03]: But through all of this, through my whole journey, I have found how all of these elements leave together so beautifully and become such a healing experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, thank you so much for sharing your story for our listeners that they might not know.
[SPEAKER_02]: We recently were on this retreat that Amy created for us with the dolphin assisted experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I had a pleasure of like spending time in the boat, which is so wonderful and fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like I get horrible motion sickness, but that was one of the best.
[SPEAKER_02]: experiences because I got a chance to hear people's stories and I know Malia wouldn't like because I knew that you have this beautiful healing practice but we were chatting was like this woman is just so wise.
[SPEAKER_02]: She has so many pearls of wisdom and so many different healing experiences.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I thought it would be fabulous to have you in the show and talk about some of them and Amy and my dear like I love you and like my sister.
[SPEAKER_02]: So can you tell us a little bit about how did you arrive in this place?
[SPEAKER_02]: So working with Dolphins, offering psychedelic assistive therapy, you told us a little bit about your journey.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sure, I don't know about you guys, but I had tingles all over my body while Melia was sharing her story.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just so, it ignites so much.
[SPEAKER_04]: The dolphins and I first connected when I was just three years old and there was just this beautiful organic neutral connection of like I see you I fully accept all that you are and from that moment on I knew they were going to be a heart of my life forever and they have been.
[SPEAKER_04]: I grew up in the Catholic religion have some religious trauma, but have a strong connection to God and just kind of this spiritual creator that is way bigger than in this realm.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the dolphins kind of ignite that in such a unshaming way.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I got to experience
[SPEAKER_04]: just feeling kind of the central desire erotic expression when I would be slimming with them as a dolphin trainer.
[SPEAKER_04]: They participate in sex all the time and it's not just for reproduction.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's part of kind of like a social communication way of communicating and and that was a beautiful
[SPEAKER_04]: around sex, around intimacy, around feeling pleasure.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I started getting more curious and exploring throughout my life with many different partners and trying not to feel shame, but there's a lot of stigma being raised in a religion that has a lot of shame around
[SPEAKER_04]: We were given this beautiful gift of pleasure and connection, we're supposed to be using it, not shaming or judging one another.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I love how the dolphins are beautiful, parallel to that non-judgmental stance and expression of playfulness and teasing and more
[SPEAKER_04]: And the psychedelic, as this is psychotherapy was very healing for my religious trauma, just, you know, negative belief systems of, you know, you are just enjoy in this world.
[SPEAKER_04]: And just feeling fully, like full of love and self-acceptance and your body and the flash in your connection with the higher realm and your connection with people and all as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: So what I love about all of these different areas is that there is this joy and this releasing of shame when it comes to talking about pleasure and intimacy and loving the flesh, the body.
[SPEAKER_04]: and being able to talk about all the things that we desire in a way that's fun and playful.
[SPEAKER_04]: So all of those things are my favorite things to talk about and I created these wild dolphin wellness retreats because they create a lot of joy.
[SPEAKER_04]: We live in the society that is very
[SPEAKER_04]: and we need to have more access to what can cultivate more joy and often to really provide that as well as the water.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the water really softens the body and creams kind of central touch that holds you.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think with all of these elements, there's more conversations.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, everyone's skinny dipping and, you know, so there's just this free itself expression that kind of opens us up to having more beautiful conversations about the things that we are desiring in our back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, and I agree with you, like accessing joy, experiencing pleasure is something that in our society, we put down, like it's just something that, like, you know, if you're educated, smart person, that's not something that you lean into, but pleasure is a form of activism, and eroticism, sexuality can be very healing and fun, and
[SPEAKER_02]: A corrective experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you guys are feel uncomfortable?
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you show a little bit about the experience you had in your work whether it be yourself or with a client that you experience that healing power of pleasure and connection?
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I am a certified eating disorder specialist.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I get so excited when my clients are healing from the disordered behaviors that really limit their capacity to feel a tunement and connection to their sexual desire, their libido, that kind of really turns off when
[SPEAKER_04]: When we're in more of a healing, sustaining place where the body is getting appropriate nutrition and the self dialogue is more affirmative, it's so exciting when my clients are like,
[SPEAKER_04]: And so we start working on how to experience pleasure on with themselves, so masturbation and and a lot of times are like, I don't even know like what to do or what I like and so exploring with different toys, I know I've talked to you, not about different types of toys and I love Uber loop like that is the best, curious loop ever.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I always recommend that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so it's very exciting when this part of them that felt needy broken or like it's not going to be a reality really comes alive again.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, you know, it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get to referrals because I'm also on an eating resort work from individuals who are interested in sex.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like I hear that people are coming and say like I don't know why I'm mad my partner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm into this like kinky, all the fun adventure experiences.
[SPEAKER_02]: And back then when the focus was on
[SPEAKER_02]: Restriction, pleasure, all of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't a relationship with that, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't a relationship fully present and when they arrive to their sexuality, it's a sign that I'm connected with myself with world and they can be very healing and eye-opening experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: you guys both had tons of experience with dolphins and before doing this retreat with you, Amy, I didn't know, like I never had experiences with wild animals in their own environment that they want to come and play and I got this opportunity to thanks to your retreat to see that this fluidity, place, and show all this natural
[SPEAKER_02]: part of dolphin interaction, which is fascinating.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what do you think about how does being in a water with dolphins impacts person people's relationship with their own erotic energy, being immersed in that environment?
[SPEAKER_04]: So dolphins embody a kind of uninhibited judgment-free aliveness.
[SPEAKER_04]: That sometimes humans really give themselves permission to feel.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because of the stigma, the judgment, the shame, it can really get in the way and create these barriers.
[SPEAKER_04]: So in the wild, the sexual behavior serves many different functions beyond the reproduction, like I was saying.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's bond.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's all about bonding, a way of communication, relieving stress, emotional regulation, and actually social learning.
[SPEAKER_04]: And scientists even compare their social sexuality to their called benobus, which is kind of like a social glue.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I love to say like, and I, and I talk about this with my, with my husband, too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, our, our sacks is like, our, our glue, right, to the, to the intimate relationship to our covenant of marriage.
[SPEAKER_04]: It creates this just beautiful intimate connection.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we don't really have to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's more of like, what I love it about dolphins, too.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's, it's not.
[SPEAKER_04]: always about communication, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: There's sometimes too many words and then we get kind of distracted.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's more about kind of feeling in and connection through body language, eye contact sound.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love sounds.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the dolphins, they have this beautiful healing energy through sound and their cellar, which can help actually regenerate impaired cells in our body
[SPEAKER_04]: that neuroplasticity, which is similar to psychedelics.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I like, and I didn't talk about wild dolphin assisted therapy and psychedelics for healing of eating disorders, trauma, and anxiety because of the neuroplasticity that happens for both the plant medicine and with dolphins in their sonar.
[SPEAKER_04]: But when our clients are witnessing dolphins being expressive and playful and embodied without shame like something really softens and then the conversation around sacks right becomes more natural and curious and open and then they and then we start having conversations about their own desires their own pleasures and their own capacity of connection.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you all have some too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so there's also the experience of being with the dolphins in the water and then there's our very somatic being with the body of from the body experience of the entire thing and all of it can mirror the sexual experience in the psychedelic experience.
[SPEAKER_03]: Imagine, you know, you've been on this boat and you have the sun beaming down on your skin.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you have that excitement.
[SPEAKER_03]: You see the dolphins and you're going to go into this crystal clear water.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're getting ready and then you dive in and there's that little bit of coolness as Florida.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, or you know, Florida waters.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's
[SPEAKER_03]: It's warm but still there's a little bit of that switch and then you're under and then you might have a lot of butterflies A little tingles and all of this excitement well up maybe even a little bit of anxiety because there's you know Excitement and anxiety can kind of go bridge over the other and then maybe see these beings underwater and then you might dive down So you inhale you hold your breath
[SPEAKER_03]: you dive down and then you have that quiet, you have that stillness under the water.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you might be really excited to see these dolphins then you realize, okay, it's a come up for air and then you come up for air.
[SPEAKER_03]: The gas, your lungs expand, your lungs completely joyful, expansive state.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you're in this very physical state of expansion.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you're breathing, you're oxygenating the body, the blood flow is coming through.
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, you have that sun on your face.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so you're just completely enveloped in this very physical experience.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so your lungs are expanding.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then they're contracting, they're expanding, contracting.
[SPEAKER_03]: What else does this remind us of?
[SPEAKER_00]: And so.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's an orgasmic experience, you know, it's fully related, it's full and you're in full bliss.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know, you're holding the breath and the underwater, you have the audio stillness, you have the stillness of maybe even hearing your heartbeat to a certain degree, are you feeling it and feeling it and that's stillness.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you come up, you take that air in every, every cell is filled again.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that, the way you describe it, and also going on this journey with you, I know you've been swimming with dolphins, and the dimensionally, of our like.
[SPEAKER_02]: over a decade now.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is like you, it seems like you had this special bond with them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you were going in and they were all coming toward you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was wondering, because what's the secret recipe, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they love you and you have this dance and relationship with them.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you cultivate that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that the state of thinking your body?
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell us more about was it like that from the beginning?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, my parents are from Hawaii, so I grew up, you know, lots of, just teaching myself the free dive, you know, and who I am going under the water a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was always a water baby.
[SPEAKER_03]: So always, you know, really still relationship with the water.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've always been more of an observer and a listener as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I also scooped out and I've also, you know, my, my dad was the one that got me into that around
[SPEAKER_03]: And we would go together and he would always say, wow, you're just, you, you use your oxygen so slowly and you're just so calm and he would just feel this calmness next to me and the water and just kind of observe.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so it really has to do a lot with this, this stillness, this centering, just this watching and this listening.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's not always easy because sometimes people
[SPEAKER_03]: have more anxieties around the water or that's part of the healing experience of doing something like that for them.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think it's once you come to center, you open yourself.
[SPEAKER_03]: Another thing that regarding this is that I learned on the retreat is so my mom passed away just a month and a half after we attended the retreat in August.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I knew my body knew what was coming.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, in my mind, I thought she had a few more years to live, but something in my body knew.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there was deep grieving.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's a deep grieving, and she actually came to me in a dream a few weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I hadn't had a really contracted day.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was a lot of heaviness, a lot of holding, a lot of anxiety.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she came to me in the dream and she said, you know, it's not, it's, I'm so sorry, you know, it's not, not at always easy, but when you're in a contracted state, we can't spend time together.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have, you have to be in an open state, you have to be.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ah, you know, open with the brass open with the body, you know, have that soft lightness inside and when you have that open channel, then you can receive, then you'll attract so much more and will be in that same realm that same, the psychedelic realm, the dolphin realm, the
[SPEAKER_03]: or it has the chrome, all of those browns that we cannot you'll have a direct line.
[SPEAKER_03]: So point being is that basically when you're in that open state you release control, you let go of control control and intimacy can't live in the same zone.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the more we're able to release a little bit of control, we can really hone in with the intimacy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that intimacy will attract these magical things.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I have a circle of dolphins around you, and many of the people do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for sharing that such a beautiful lesson.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like one of the life-long lessons I'm cultivating is being more in this space of present and surrender.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I remember when I went into the water, I was like, I'm going to chase the dolphin.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like I'm going to make this happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like anything else in my life and right, like, oh, I'm going to seduce you like very aggressively.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they swam away like they're completely work on and sometimes our embodies experiences like that like we're really want that orgasm like maybe that's something that we're trying to call today And we're focusing on it and we're like you know like you know mine and just not happening so I know in a movie that they're talking about that
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly, exactly and then we can even flow into the psychedelic experience and when we talk about each of these things, we're just talking about the other thing, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: And with the psychedelic experience, there's, we, you know, our teacher says,
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's kind of that same relinquishing of control and being open to the experience and once we once we kind of okay oh I want to see my dad grant mother or I want to let go of this trauma or I don't want to feel this way anymore and that's not that's not typically not how it works and when we we can go in with an intention we can go in with a strong intention I want to connect I want to be open to what spirit has to show me
[SPEAKER_03]: But when we try to chase it, you know, in all these ways, chase orgasms, chase the dolphins, then it's, yeah, it's coming from that grabbing kind of energy.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not, then work, it's more in that contracted state.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the more that we can open, just be, and all of these experiences, the more that we can learn.
[SPEAKER_04]: This reminds me of one of the most vivid memories I have of being I call it like a dolphin sandwich I dove down and there was a moment in a baby and I I remember just feeling so calm like I didn't have to breathe air.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I was down there for a long time and mama and baby, like baby was on my belly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mama was on my back and we just swam together and this would be beautiful, rhythmic and fluid motion.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it was such like transcended bliss.
[SPEAKER_04]: have just anxiety, all anxiety's gone and just full presence and full joy and just being here now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Such a beautiful experience and receiving that love and having this embodied experience can be very healing and I'm grateful for you in me to
[SPEAKER_02]: provide that opportunities for many, many people, and we're going to talk about the retreat that they're doing, but I also want to talk a little bit more about psychedelic because they know many people experience healing from the erotic block challenges that they have.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes people use it in the context of the kind of put their partner, so it's more central sexual, but some for
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you both have that provided like this container for many people to experience this healing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm curious to hear more about your experiences on those spaces.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I think all of these containers that we set up, it starts with.
[SPEAKER_03]: communication, it starts with the set and the setting, meaning the thinking about with all of these experiences, it's possible for our senses to be very heightened, you know, and all of these experiences.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's kind of part of it, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: We're
[SPEAKER_03]: we're really tuning in to our senses and so just thinking of everything around us to create this space where okay I everything from the sound to the visual to the textures to everything around us okay what can be a place that can be very safe very held for us to be able to let go feel safe to let go open because of course we need our discernment we need
[SPEAKER_03]: we need to have control sometimes and we need to have discernment and we need to have all of these things.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's the beauty of these containers that we set.
[SPEAKER_03]: So okay, let's make everything very comfy cozy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's communicate our needs, anything that we like.
[SPEAKER_03]: experience in the past that might affect our experience now in this moment, any kind of health, you know, anything like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the setting of the mind, so the mind set, so how have we prepared, how have we, okay, some really big things might come up, when we're swimming with the dolphins, when we're in the psychedelic experience, when we're in a sexual experience, I know that for me, I've definitely landed in tears, I
[SPEAKER_03]: because of the intensity, you know, because of the intensity.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's open us all of these experiences are opening us up to feel potentially a lot of intensity.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so for the psychedelic kind of the setting for that is to ensure, you know, all of these things are set first.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then we can have the experience of maybe a lot of intensity coming up, maybe some memories.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so it's really important to for the setting after the setting, the integration, being able to talk to someone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes people go to these situations where they don't really have any family and friends that they told, or maybe that would support.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they come and we want to make sure that they're
[SPEAKER_03]: they have somebody to talk to to process with after.
[SPEAKER_03]: So important to be able to process through the body.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, in movement, in meditation and, you know, somatic practices, breath work again, breath work, breath work is a great preparation for swimming with dolphins, you know, for preparing us to be able to go under the water.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's another reason the dolphins were following me, because when you dive down,
[SPEAKER_03]: And then also, I mean, the breath in a sexual experience, a self-pleasure experience, huge.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the whole thing can be, if you're just breathing very shallow, you're contracted, you're holding on.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't even know what you're doing with the breath.
[SPEAKER_03]: you might not be able to expand at all or if you're very practiced in a self-pleasure kind of way maybe taking it to another degree could be really focusing on the breath and how much can I keep expanding and that can keep my orgasm going and expanding and expanding and told that involuntary contraction finally comes and you drop into that space and then
[SPEAKER_03]: the same thing with the psychedelic experience as the breath is also the guide as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we come back to center and we come back to where we are with the breath as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the breath is another thing that connects all these modalities as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know many people experience breath orgasms.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I know I call it just one to retreat and she called do it at that scale.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not there yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not my bucket list, but you're right breathing can help you to experience different levels of pleasure and also connect with your body is just so important in all of these modalities.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also I think there is healing in the communities, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I know many times people do psychedelics and small groups or the community or hopefully with someone else because that connection is very powerful.
[SPEAKER_03]: very much the pod.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but the dolphin pod and our human pods, and that was another beautiful thing about swimming with the dolphins on Amy's retreat was we at the beginning are ocean guides.
[SPEAKER_03]: They told us, oh, we're going to be swimming with the pods.
[SPEAKER_03]: We want to stick together.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, my first thoughts like, oh, well, I want to dive down and I, you know, I had this vision in my head and then I then I really started to understand it and we, I think we throughout the week we really started to communicate with one another and like yes, when we stick together the dolphins love it's it's they, they are their pod where our pod they're not confused where we go all over the place they would be right with us and also in.
[SPEAKER_03]: One of the most beautiful things about the ceremonial experience, I wasca mushroom experience, is the community and it's helped, I think it's helped myself, definitely, and many people gain more trust for people, more connection, intersectional kind of context.
[SPEAKER_03]: It helps people
[SPEAKER_03]: We can now we can find the words, maybe, to bridge these, you know, bridge this and be able to communicate better with one another.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, and Amy, I, you, you introduced me to psychedelic system therapy and speaking of the container.
[SPEAKER_02]: We did this ketamine system experiences in a local clinic which has its own benefits.
[SPEAKER_02]: definitely it was a different experience and I was sharing with Amy back then that what I need is more working on my relational trauma and I know that the experience says, I experience with you, Amy and other colleagues, been very, very powerful and healing that component like,
[SPEAKER_02]: the relational component in a way that the talk therapy has and done it for me and I love doctor therapy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been like most of my life in therapy, probably I'm going to remain in therapy for a rest of my life just because of this unique powerful experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: But these healing experiences through psychedelic also can be additional tools.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you, Melia, you talked about kind of setting it up with the setting and the integration.
[SPEAKER_04]: Those all are such necessary components when you're doing work with psychedelics, dolphins, and also with intimate, when you're a one-year intimate with a partner and having a sexual experience.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because if you are contracted,
[SPEAKER_04]: or there's anxiety or, you know, future tripping or anticipatory fears, then that can get into the way and create some barriers to really receive that the healing.
[SPEAKER_04]: So setting it up where we're talking
[SPEAKER_04]: kind of a preparation and ceremony with creating that beautiful safety container and then you do intention with the medicine like it's thinking the medicine too and welcoming.
[SPEAKER_04]: I always like to say welcome whatever the medicine is going to reveal, you know, we let go of any and all expectations.
[SPEAKER_04]: because really the medicine, whether it's dolphin medicine, as sex erotic medicine or psychedelic medicine, it really reveals kind of what we need to tend to, what we might need to release to feel this kind of surrendering to be fully present because we live in a world where we're always kind of plugged in and
[SPEAKER_04]: And what I'm seeing like in my personal life and also professionally like in communal too, we are really needing to seek and put more effort into quieting down and like unplugging to get to that fully present space.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that you highlighted at many of my clients that they struggle with having good sexual experiences.
[SPEAKER_02]: This struggle with that pivoting, the intentional part, like or just a mind is busy and sex is something else in there to do less.
[SPEAKER_02]: that they just like, they're not present, they're not in the body.
[SPEAKER_02]: So having the time to be intentional, being your body is really powerful.
[SPEAKER_02]: And after a care, it can be very connecting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the part that also many people are missing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know when I heard you guys were doing another retreat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, you guys need to come on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Should talk about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I personally did a retreat that you have a few months ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: Malia is such a force in the community and the work that she does and psychedelic work and healing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for our listeners that they are curious about your upcoming retreat, can you tell us a little bit more about that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so this intention is Awakening Joy as you
[SPEAKER_03]: heard us say it's just this joyful experience and and then why joy joy you have to be present so we've said presence a lot we've sent joy right and so to experience joy you have to be present you know and the dolphins help us so much with this element of presence I know from this
[SPEAKER_03]: this experience of my losing my mom who was my best friend very involved in my life.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, huge, huge difference in my life.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a it's a major grieving component component here.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was able to, I have been able to go back and be in that presence with the dolphin.
[SPEAKER_03]: And with the dolphins taught me on that on the trip where
[SPEAKER_03]: Moments are fleeting, you know, everything is temporary.
[SPEAKER_03]: Moments are fleeting.
[SPEAKER_03]: We can have these blissful, beautiful moments, our lifetime with a family member, and they will pass, but it's okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we will have more and the waves will continue.
[SPEAKER_03]: So awakening joy for anybody that is experiencing grief that wants to connect more of their bodies that will be in the water.
[SPEAKER_03]: feeling that water against our skin feeling buoyant and weightless, you can be 300 pounds and feel like a beautiful mermaid and feel so held in the water.
[SPEAKER_03]: So anybody that is struggling with anything with themselves, self-love, disconnection in any kind of way, wanting to to invigorate creativity.
[SPEAKER_03]: there's a man on the island to have built this house called the Dolphin House.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just I think it's just such a beautiful relic of this man swam with the Dolphin's once.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he was inspired to create this masterpiece, this beautiful piece of art for people to bring people together to come to visit.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's about creation, it's about releasing, it's about all of these things awakening, joy, being present.
[SPEAKER_03]: and we have all of these modalities to work with around that we have an optional plant medicine ceremony for those who want to spend a day off the boat and dive into that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we have every morning we will have a somatic yoga to really get in-breath work.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it'll help us calm, you know, any kind of if you are working with fear of the water, anything like that, we will have a lot of work around that.
[SPEAKER_03]: the artwork to cultivate, just more presence, more relaxation, fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so fun, celebrating with our sisters.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a women, this one is a women's retreat.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we will have all liberty to be the vulva's diskinny dip in the ocean.
[SPEAKER_03]: If that's where it takes us to have those period conversations, all the sexuality conversations and a really super supportive
[SPEAKER_04]: And something that I love to that happens like on our way back as we have a dance party on the bow and it's such a beautiful way to kind of celebrate and release and connects in joy.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I know my last retreat was dancing with the dolphins, and this one, you know, Malian, I were just, and I've been wanting to do retreat with Malia, so I'm so excited that we are doing this line and maybe many more to come in our future.
[SPEAKER_04]: that this one, oh, we can enjoy.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's very special.
[SPEAKER_04]: We have a special discount for mothers and daughters or VFats.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's running until- Is that the whole time?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's ready.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So please check out our website and know it will be in our show and NASA's show notes, but then many as a very special island to the water is crystal crystal clear blue.
[SPEAKER_04]: So visibility is just incredible and every day is different.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we finally swim over the stones, the bimini of bimini roads, so this is where the myth of Atlantis comes from.
[SPEAKER_03]: So brings more and a little bit of that playful magic as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I really appreciated it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what I also, I know Amy knows that I had a tragic loss of dear client there.
[SPEAKER_02]: but again the environment was so healing going back to what you talked about Malia that that was such a unique experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can have difficult experiences and this can be a new experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think like with people who are fear of water we had
[SPEAKER_02]: a lovely lady that like a one of our people who are a part of the journey she was struggling but she liked it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dolphin experience was so powerful for her so there's been just so many powerful moments like at least like you also are able to experience
[SPEAKER_02]: joy of other people, like in a way, conversion, that could feel the deering sex, that looks like, oh my God, like getting joy from someone else's joy is something else that you have the opportunity to experience that they may know you wanted to say something, I got excited.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh no, no, no, I love that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I wanted also to note to if people are
[SPEAKER_04]: not good slimmers or they haven't snorkeled before.
[SPEAKER_04]: What I love about this retreat and wild class who are partnered with, we first go to a snorkel spot and it's a beautiful snorkel spot.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you're getting comfortable in the water.
[SPEAKER_04]: and making sure the gear is fitting well.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the staff outlaw class is so amazing.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Melian, I are there too to help support.
[SPEAKER_04]: So by day, I would say three, day four, you, everybody kind of feels really adjusted.
[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, we had a 70-one-year-old woman who had broken her neck, you know, five years prior, was very nervous to get into the water and didn't the first couple days and then started to slowly feel safer and comfortable and got her some men and got to swim with the dolphins.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it was our entire group was so joyful to see this
[SPEAKER_04]: just this amazing accomplishment that she really wanted to do and then she faced her fears.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I did want to say that too.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of practice with having the snorkel beer on and the water and bimini is just so warm.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's so bland and really good for for the body.
[SPEAKER_04]: So like it's like a big absence all that.
[SPEAKER_04]: because it's so salty and you're so buoyant.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it really is gentle and softening on the body as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I can't wait for to hear it like this this time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know we both are sure with the guys that they have a newborn.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this time, if I didn't have a newborn, I would love to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this was like last and was such a healing experience that I how you would recommend all the
[SPEAKER_02]: will the owners that they feel called for to check it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And thank you so much, Melina, me for coming in the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: All the information will be in the show now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know you also both do separate lots of beautiful ceremonies, services, all of that also will be included in the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: And thank you so much for coming in the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much, Lisa.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bye,
[SPEAKER_02]: As we wrap up today, I hope this conversation invited you to think differently about healing, pleasure, and what it really means to feel embodied and alive in your body.
[SPEAKER_02]: whether it's third curiosity, inspiration, or simply a sense of permission to explore connection in new ways, I hope you carry that with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And before you go, I want to share a quick reminder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're single and living in California and looking for more intentional, psychologically grounded way to meet people,
[SPEAKER_02]: Elay Love Lab is a curated, match meaning and experience led by psychologists designed to help you connect through meaningful conversation, guided activities and real-time chemistry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not endless swiping.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because spots are limited, I encourage you to apply soon if you're feeling curious.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can find the application link in the show notes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for listening.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll see you in the next episode of The Sexology Podcast.
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