[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to the first special episode of the podcast today.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nigel's drinking what looks to be blended poop and milk in a cup.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can you explain to us either why there's a too much milk in your coffee to make it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's rancid looking.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is that Nigel?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like Coca-Cola with milk.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it milk tea?
[SPEAKER_02]: with a choice.
[SPEAKER_04]: You've been what you guys have been you guys have been so mean.
[SPEAKER_04]: I've never waved my jaw.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never seen somebody make tea like noctie at home with ice in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it noctie?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I didn't make it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it from a can?
[SPEAKER_00]: From a bottle.
[SPEAKER_04]: I guess Milton here in milk tea.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess milk tea because he's been on a tea kick lately.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so this is like his evolved.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I feel like I'm always on one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm all in on tea.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I can't stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're only 50% on tea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, but now I don't know no tea.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know somebody you couldn't make that joke, but I was saying now He's going back to the to the milk thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, back on the.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no, no I'm off milk But there's milk in the tea Yeah, only a small amount I think Okay, where the ice why not just refrigerate it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm serious.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is refrigerated and then you put ice on top of it
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all on the temperature.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the problem with the ice doesn't dilute it, no?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, you drink it fast.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, Kevin, I just only really fun this week.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see if you're jealous.
[SPEAKER_03]: You think he's going to be jealous?
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never jealous as anything ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's going to be jealous.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got to see Markiplier's movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm wearing the shirt.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got the merch right here.
[SPEAKER_02]: We watched Markiplier's movie with Markiplier's movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a horror movie, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Iron lung.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you, does that make you jealous at all?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because he did it.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, because I didn't know too much about the movie, but that's cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think he would be jealous because Markiplier made his movie that he wanted to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: But wait.
[SPEAKER_04]: OK, wait.
[SPEAKER_04]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: OK.
[SPEAKER_02]: So because you've been saying that you want to make a movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, you know, this piece is big.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can confidently say that if I had to bet my life on you making a better movie than Markiplier, I would die.
[SPEAKER_03]: There is no way now red can make a better movie the market.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, so what you're saying is his movie was His movie wasn't good, but you still like that's I didn't say that I didn't see your vision You're just trying to make you I'm I'm just gonna tell you that I don't believe you could make a better movie the market But after seeing my life you don't think I can make it to on 10 movie I think you could make it I can make it to a 10 movie, but that won't be a 10 of 10 movie
[SPEAKER_04]: And it was a good, it was a good movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that I, you know, you know, when you like, I hate, I hate reviewing, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't need to give a review.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was it perfect?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did I like it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think that when it comes to movies, all that matters is you like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think like the more I think about it, I was like, I was thinking a lot about that movie after the movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, same.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to go and look some stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, that's kind of like a fun movie experience where you watch something.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like a horror movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like a lot of like, you know, redact kind of information, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's, it needs to like hide things from you to make it scarier.
[SPEAKER_03]: And and there was like a lot of stuff where I was like, I was thinking about like, oh, wait, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like that's that this,
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was, I kind of actually felt like that was something, whether they did it on purpose or not.
[SPEAKER_03]: That nobody would, nobody does.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, like, I felt like almost, it was like a perfect video game movie, where I felt a little bit like I had to discover things for myself.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it wasn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: it wasn't like it was confusing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like I had to figure it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think if you're it's based off of a video game called Iron Long and if you haven't, I haven't played it before and I didn't really watch a lot of Mark's stuff either, but I was still able to go into that movie and
[SPEAKER_02]: like watch it and enjoy it without knowing too much about it beforehand.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it held its own.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: Chelsea went with us and she hated it because it was scary.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not because, like, and I think that, like, like, yeah, I did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're saying you, but that's like a, like, so good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so like, that's huge.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I would say if you do want to go see the movie, don't look up anything about it beforehand.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're familiar with it, that's fine, but don't spoil it for yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I, I, it works fine if you just go in totally blind.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that if you are.
[SPEAKER_03]: like I would I would if you have if you have even the slightest interest in seeing it definitely gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's it's way better than it should be.
[SPEAKER_02]: It has some sci-fi elements to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so I'm so bad at like judging what kind of things are like what people think are good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hate saying what's good.
[SPEAKER_03]: because like it's all completely subjective and so like it's enjoyable it was a new experience for me and I really watched a lot of horror it felt like a different type of you know slightly different type of movie like it was very kind of video game it had a lot of like video game cutscene
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very video game coded.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that I really liked it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that other people are going to like it too.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like, pardon me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't tell if I'm just like proud of Markiplier for doing this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, where is sort of the kind of cohort, you know, another YouTube friend made a thing that is really cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we got to see it in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we got to see it in an actual movie screen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And versus like, you know, I just like, I'm so bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I've liked stuff before that people have like collectively not liked.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I've like hated stuff that people have collectively liked.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that makes me think that there is no such thing as like universally good.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I genuinely think that the fact that we're even having this conversation means it's already a huge win for Markiplier.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because if it was a student film, we would not have any of these stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it was so good that we're comparing it to real, like the real movie for this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: It felt like a real movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, like good production quality, good everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: Great special effects.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my gosh, I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's only, it's like only in some spots too, because it's like obviously like a low budget movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's all like super constrained.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they, they didn't do anything that cost money and introduced risk.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the two together, like when you're doing stuff, sometimes it's best to not go down a certain road Because it introduces like more risk is like movies are hard like yeah There's so many things like everything has to land perfectly right like if you have a bad script and good actors It's gonna be bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it's fun good for the wrong reasons if you have like good actors bad director like it's gonna be bad like everything has to work well
[SPEAKER_02]: And if one part of it is a little bit off and like nothing yet you pick up on it right exactly and I didn't pick up on anything like there's things personally that I would have done differently if I was in that situation like worse differently or strategically differently.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't want to give too much away.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, as the actor in that scenario, what I would have done.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like, and that's where your director would be.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I mean, like, in this as a person in this story, I'm like, why would they choose this decision?
[SPEAKER_02]: But why, how would they know that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's where the writing comes in.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, the writing is hard for, like, you have to predict not just like how the person on screen is supposed to feel, but like how the audience is gonna interpret the person on screen.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so it's like, is the reaction like angry?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it sort of like dilapitated?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it, I'm like psychologically unwell due to the nightmare that a person is living?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I think that it's none of those things.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's just how it is, but like me being able to put myself like in that situation is me like being very engaged with the movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like being able to imagine like, you know, if I was in there, I could do this, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: what we're we're in the movie we talk after the half-way mark or before the half-way mark before okay before you know how yes to like go go around and map out this area yeah yeah yeah basically I I don't know what would you have done to drag your submarine across the walls
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I wouldn't have really gone down that far.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number one, they didn't go up and down.
[SPEAKER_02]: They lowered him, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, wait, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they lowered him on a tether, and then he asked to explore the area with clusters.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, so he, you're stuck on the same level.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that was what I picked away from it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He literally can't go up and down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would have found a way to go up and down.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he did, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he found like a ramp or something, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: But Kevin was just, Kevin was just done better.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have turned the sub on its side and used the bow thrusters to push me up.
[SPEAKER_03]: What lever put the sub on its side?
[SPEAKER_02]: The one where you turn it and the sub spins in a circle.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you roll over on the side and you roll on the side, you have like, trying to have a wall or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: You use a ballast.
[SPEAKER_03]: You go, you have no ballast.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have a shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do the guys like Kevin the guy can't see you can't see anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like okay the premise I want to what part I think okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also would have I would have gotten out of the sub if I Oh, so they well determined.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I don't want to give away too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really hard to talk I don't even love dropping spoilers.
[SPEAKER_03]: They give us rules of what not to say.
[SPEAKER_03]: How about we just talk about it And then we give John the rules and he can cut everything up
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, also, but I do want to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to spoil it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, there's one part of the movie where inside of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: If it was a shitty movie, we would not be talking about it like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is, okay, this is like behind the scenes, like a little trivia for you guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a scene in the movie where the sub is like, you know, it's not crucial to the plot.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just settling down to the ocean floor, the ground is shifting and he's getting slammed around on the inside of the sub.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the first time I watched that, I'm like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it looks like they're just yanking him around with a cable inside of this submarine.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks good.
[SPEAKER_02]: He like goes flying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: He really is flying, but I'm like, oh, you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: They messed up because everything else in the sub isn't really moving with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like in a car accident, everything goes like flying and flying and flying.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and we told him that and he was like, oh, he's like, you have no idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, apparently the entire
[SPEAKER_03]: thing is on a giant steward motion platform, like a hydraulic motion platform and it's actually moving around.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's really like the whole thing is literally like that he wasn't nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't actually going to eat it across the room.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's standing still in the sub is moving beneath his feet and the wall is slamming into him.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like is what's happening?
[SPEAKER_03]: Someone looked the wires in the back of the sub that are hanging.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're like actual real
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they're fixed in place, you know, so they don't wobble as much as you would imagine brain like wants to see yeah And I was like holy shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had no idea cuz I'm sitting there thinking obviously like if there's no way It's I mean, I did have a I kind of felt like it looked a little like oh, yeah I mean, they're like moving it back and break a little bit just you know yeah, and he's acting the rest Like I think I'm I'm kind of curious if they're gonna because I'd be like an easy thing to fix like if I was doing I just you could do it pretty easy after fix it's like
[SPEAKER_03]: Give it, just like the puppet tool, cut it out, paint the background.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a static camera.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is shaking around you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you can do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I who knows what they end up doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: But.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because we saw kind of like, uh, not a rough draft, but I think they're going to change.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, we saw that it or only the VFX are like, you know, really a rough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they look at it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, like, that was the rough.
[SPEAKER_03]: I couldn't even tell what was the effects and what was practical.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it almost, I mean, you can tell there's some stuff that like you couldn't really do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, like, remember when that like thing, the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, that was cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am, I really like this sort of concept.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I think the vibe of like not having any idea what's going on just sort of being trapped in this thing where you can talk about the, oh, here's like, I don't even know if this is a criticism yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: This could, I think this discussion is going to, this conversation right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to determine if I have any criticisms about the Markiplier Iron Lung movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: on on the sub or the vehicle or whatever the hell it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: There is a camera.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you think what I was thinking?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was thinking at the whole time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: The camera is so like they're inside like the the thing like they're diving in this body of of
[SPEAKER_03]: It's an ocean version of yeah, yeah, yeah, we say that I think so it's an ocean of blood And you can't see out the window There's like one window and it has like a cover most of the time because there's no point and You can't see anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: So how do you navigate and it's like well you use X-rays first of all guys you could totally is sonar is like what sonar was built for
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Second of all is that how actually there's back scatter that was the only has anyone made a back scatter.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's basically just our F that's so narrow, but sooner than a higher frequency, but that's what I'm saying is like has that anyone because you would have to like.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there is a, that is the airport scanner's work, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Backscanning what they're backscanning what the ones that spin around you.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no, it's not actually.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's milk.
[SPEAKER_03]: Microwave, millimeter waves or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're tight.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you're a waves.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you sure?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not actually.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's not.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not extra.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can I?
[SPEAKER_03]: But I, I know they do.
[SPEAKER_04]: The X-rays would suck if there's like a soft material.
[SPEAKER_04]: You get like almost nothing to act.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that is the premise of the exploration.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is he can't see anything except for hard, like dense, you know, X-ray dense objects.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there is a point in the movie where you learn that is in fact a very powerful X-ray machine.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it could,
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just like this one curious like is it a back scatter thing like is that a thing that exists like if you blast it out and obscene amount of x-rays You could catch the reflection and explore it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll look it up.
[SPEAKER_03]: So is this what you're complaining about or is there a this is my complaint Okay, yeah, it's a back scatter like you should get but I don't know how easy that would be to the capture image Well, yeah, that's that's my question because you can't because you get the lens the back scatter right like it's just acting like a stroke, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you do it like Doppler.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you wait for the X-rays to bounce back and then you can tell how far away.
[SPEAKER_03]: But would that be like a point detection?
[SPEAKER_03]: Could you do a whole field at once?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you need to for that, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, that's good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe.
[SPEAKER_03]: I definitely don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's a, yeah, I mean, back the scatter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I was going to say, like, the vehicle's x-ray things that you drive back.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's x-ray.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have no complaints about the Markiplier movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: You were just, you know, ignorant like, I know that's cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have just like a unit that you can hold up to a car and it like gives you a live read out.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's horrifying.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is this not just like blasting the driver inside?
[SPEAKER_02]: Whoa, dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a line scanner.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are they not obliterating everything inside the, I think it's really low.
[SPEAKER_03]: How deep is it going in the car then?
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I know like the claim that they made about the movie was that it's the most fake blood used in any movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I, you know, then I've seen some people say, no, it's not, um, honestly, I believe it.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's so much blood.
[SPEAKER_03]: in the movie like noodles.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like it's sort of obscene how much blood is in a couple of spots like imagine imagine like flooding and like a car filling up with water because it's blood.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's literally like a school bus full of blood just in sort of the like most memorable portion.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not even sure that's the part that has the most blood.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like, it's the Willy Wonka chocolate factory of blood.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's truly something else.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never seen anything like it was like, it looked disgusting, like a mess, like a huge mess.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to say that there was X-ray backscatter used to airports up until 2013.
[UNKNOWN]: Why?
[SPEAKER_03]: They were radiating people for no reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's it now millimetre wave scanners came out, but before that the only reason they got right of them was because the person that made them couldn't implement software changes for automatic target recognition software.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So millimetre wave, they could do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they got the contract.
[SPEAKER_02]: How much extra is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's what's in people too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's like basically functionally nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Very efficient.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very efficient.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Very efficient.
[SPEAKER_03]: Weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They give you your scans afterwards.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wish.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, if you have given the interest in the Markiplier movie, definitely go see the Markiplier movie, I know that it's going to be in theaters.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think in January, I don't know any of the details of how that works or what theaters, but I think there's like a couple hundred smaller theaters that it's going to be in.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I definitely, I would, I enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would recommend going to see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I.
[SPEAKER_03]: enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I stopped going to the movie theater after I think the last doctor's strange came out because it was so fucking bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and the Markiplier movie is not that, like it's it's it's so it's such a like indie like good like artistic sort of you can feel like how much work went into it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, doesn't feel like solace, Slop.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the sting that a guy spent like years.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like film like 2013.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's planning.
[SPEAKER_03]: and post products like so much time went into it, and it's so much better than it has any right to be that you should go and see the market plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I want to go see it again when it comes out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just, you know, see the changes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, to see the changes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the, that's our iron line.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't want to support like all the slot movies that come out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like, paying to see something that someone who cares made feels like such a unique experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not like a cash grab.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you know, like all the new movies kind of are not, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I bet you that maybe it breaks even.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have, I'm trying to think like how much money you think they spend if you had to get.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so hard to know, it's so, I was going to have a task that's so hard to know with the budgets are I would say probably like five million yeah something like that I would I would say more than a million Less than five million if I had to get yeah, I don't know he's not on a super budget, but he has money to burn
[SPEAKER_03]: But not that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: I bet you, I bet you it's a cup of mind on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which is a soundingly cheap for what they did.
[SPEAKER_03]: So definitely go and see the Markiplier movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's my, that's my review of the Markiplier movie is I enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_03]: You should see it support someone who's doing something that care a lot about who did a good job.
[SPEAKER_03]: We love you, Markiplier.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Nigel has a horror movie idea that you had I said you didn't invite me, I don't think you had the right to invite me.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I invited Kevin, see that's why I was asking you at the beginning Nigel is because he might watch this so you got to tell him about your movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to watch this, but it works like every other day.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I go bad because it made it sounded like I was ripping a little bit before.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, if you don't market, I'm just trying to write it out.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was trying to defend.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love you, Markiplier.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, what?
[SPEAKER_03]: John, can we cut that and put our names after?
[SPEAKER_03]: What's his name, Nigel?
[SPEAKER_04]: He's I don't remember say Markiplier.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's my name?
[SPEAKER_02]: Markiplier.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's my name?
[SPEAKER_02]: Plier Markiplier.
[SPEAKER_02]: Markiplier.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I mean, I'm definitely probably going to check it out now.
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't actually know that he, I vaguely remember hearing that he was making a movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, because I think he's like, I think it was a year ago or something.
[SPEAKER_04]: I saw a random video he posted saying he was working on something that he couldn't talk about.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm assuming this is probably what it was.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, uh, uh, cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, horror is my favorite.
[SPEAKER_04]: Gar.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: You, I know, but I like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of like, like, a lot of standout moments and standout things just from like a visual perspective that are, are.
[SPEAKER_03]: Barry well done and like stand on their own.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just some of the makeup and prosthetics and the sound design.
[SPEAKER_03]: I felt like the sound design was really good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you picked up on that at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, but like, there was a lot of Barry good, like,
[SPEAKER_03]: underwater vessels.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like creaking a new running good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe good use of the surround sound system too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm not sure if it was just the theater experience where it's like loud and around.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that made it feel really good, but it felt really, really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Was there music?
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember I like I don't remember any music.
[SPEAKER_04]: But what I was what I was going to say in terms of making a movie myself.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I definitely would not.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I think there was even even if Mark was like, movie was yeah, even if his movie was bad, I probably couldn't make a better movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: I watched that movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: I actually said that to Mark too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, Mark, we've always thought about making a movie and there's no way it would be anywhere near this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: The problem is, I, I was thinking about this the other day in general because I do want to make a movie, but I do feel like trying to make a movie is like when you start YouTube, you're like, hey, I got a camera, you see like, you know, one of us making a video, you're like, I'll make a video like them and it's like now I can see it from that perspective being like, oh, you're, you're kind of stupid if you think that because there's so much you have to learn that you're not even only in love so it's like just
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, I feel like if I made a movie, it would be better than some Slop.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would say, quote, unquote, a bunch of people would make, yeah, but not.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would say it's better than average, if you gave an average person to camera, however, like, make this into a film.
[SPEAKER_04]: If we were smart, I have no experience.
[SPEAKER_03]: If we were smart about it, I think like the best thing you could do is reduce the scope as much as possible, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So you have as few variables as you can, you know, feasibly have for a functioning movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: That means like well, special effects gone, you know, locations gone,
[SPEAKER_03]: external factors that could degrade the quality of what you're doing, that you don't have like the skill resources or budget to build out.
[SPEAKER_02]: But movies just have to survive about them.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's different than than a normal video.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's hard to nail that vibe, but you can tell when it's off.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like an uncanny valley movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: because you're much more in tune with like the emotions of what are happening on screen.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you're like right, you have to like right out like how you think that emotional flow will happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the actor has to act out how that emotional flow happens.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then when you put it all together, the audience has to believe like, oh, this guy lives with this person and their friends.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then one day, one of the guys, you know, his dog dies.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then this is how he responds to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't believe that that's how that person would actually respond.
[SPEAKER_03]: It starts to feel like bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: I agree with you in the sense, because there's a famous or pretty popular, for example, of it, the movie Primer.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's a part of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It had a $7,000 budget, and it box office made 850k.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's made multiple millions that's like a tiny crowd movie $7,000, but yes, which is that basically means that the movie was all it was all free.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that means it didn't actually spend any like they they effectively spent way more than $7,000.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm saying, but it was film students.
[SPEAKER_04]: So everyone in the movie was just, that's what I thought it was.
[SPEAKER_04]: They did it for free because it's not like a major production.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think they rented the camera equipment from for free or cheap.
[SPEAKER_03]: From school or something, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Or something.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it isn't an example of what you were just saying.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you actually watch the movie, I actually, it's a really good movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: The number of scenes is very low and like even what pops out to me is like the the first movie the saw movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: Most of the movies in one room.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just two guys in a room.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like that you want to exercise the ultimate exercise.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can write out X number of pages, whatever that is, a minute per hour, like 60 to 120 pages, about just two guys doing something in one room that you truly exposed yourself to the hardest part of the whole process, which is a good storytelling.
[SPEAKER_04]: But that's the thing is I think the thing that honestly kind of fails a lot of especially a lot of horror, but in general, well, not especially a lot of our all movies is the writing is just weak.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it relies on visuals.
[SPEAKER_04]: But not even just that.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, even if you ask yourself, like, what is bad script writing and it's because there's a lot of the the simple example is Everything has to be in a movie everything has to be presented, but if it's expert like whatever if it's explicit on the word is exposition you it it's when bad script writing is always the classic like, oh my god.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I can't believe you like mom.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't believe you did this.
[SPEAKER_04]: How's your first sister doing after her cancer diagnosis 6 months ago in the 12 rounds of chemo that she just finished up yesterday and you're like, are you asking me and then I went to me about yeah, simply so a lot of you'll notice if you pay attention and in like better written stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: Bay will try to get away as much as they can without saying it, but then it's a lot of it's a game of presenting the relationship the characters have.
[SPEAKER_04]: but without saying it.
[SPEAKER_04]: So for example, I remember I was watching something and it's like the way that you find out these people are siblings is you don't really know how they know each other, but it's like just the way they're interacting.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're like, it's just like, it's almost like,
[SPEAKER_04]: If it in a show or something, if there's a dude gets an off at the door and it's like a woman who's kind of similarly age and he just answers the story like, what do you want?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's like you now know they know each other and you're now part of the fun part of the show or the movie is like finding out that where it's just like if they just start saying it's like
[SPEAKER_04]: like the classic it's like, why is my sister showing up at midnight?
[SPEAKER_03]: You're like, okay, hey, it's just it's yeah, midnight a clock.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's like normally you don't just like over this late.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is something what's wrong?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's mom's cancer aggravating again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it is mom's heart.
[SPEAKER_04]: a lot of the fun part in it is finding out like what their relationship is because it's not just spelled out because you have a difficult you guess and you're like oh I was right yeah yeah kind of moment yeah we're like they can't imagine it's like again someone knocks at the door at like midnight you answer the guy answers the door and goes what do you want?
[SPEAKER_04]: Immediately you're like, hey, the time is weird and the reacting like this means they know each other well and then the person goes, just I'm coming in and you're like, okay, well, obviously, and that's kind of like what makes the story interesting is because you're trying to figure it out and the little clues are dropped, but that's like all in.
[SPEAKER_04]: the script writing and I feel like if you, that is avoidable because I feel like that's even in YouTube videos, especially if you have narratives, you do that a lot where you're trying not to be like, I'm not going to explain what's on the screen.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I'm trying to be careful, so I don't say things twice or do this.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you're aware of that, I feel like you can avoid a bunch of those pitfalls and then if you do it like you said, you make the story.
[SPEAKER_04]: You start with something simple and have the fewest people and locations possible.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is possible to make something surprisingly decent, but you do need to build your way up.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like you start with like short stories, maybe like a five minute thing or a three minute video.
[SPEAKER_04]: You do have to practice even with even though it's so like boiled down.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, if you jumped right into a movie,
[SPEAKER_04]: you would just get cocked, but just be like a disaster trying to put it together in the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: A good moment like this like we're talking about the new Stranger Things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you seen it?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I've heard it's kind of happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So at this one point they're in the underground.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's there's a big wall made out of meat.
[SPEAKER_02]: They can't figure out the meat wall.
[SPEAKER_02]: How to get around the meat wall.
[SPEAKER_02]: later on a few episodes later there's somebody else in it is in a different part of the underground town and they see the meat wall and they're like, whoa, wait, uh, you know, so so anyway, so I'm like, I turned to Sandra and I'm like, it's not a meat wall, it's like a meat ring around something and she's like, yes, that's what they're implying.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, no, it wasn't like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just happy because I figured it out, but I mean, it was, they were leading you to this, the whole time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, oh, it's a ring, and she's like, she didn't do it like, passive, and she didn't like, if you already watched it.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but I mean, it was so obvious, but it was just like, you know, but yeah, I mean, once they introduced like, from the other side, they also have a wall.
[SPEAKER_02]: that it's like, oh, something must be on the, like, being in this fight.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just one of those moments that I think made me feel like I had a brain blast and I liked that.
[SPEAKER_03]: How could you assume that it was hollow and not just a meat cube?
[SPEAKER_03]: It could have been a meat cube, you're right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's totally real.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was too organic to be a cube, but a wall is fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like a fleshy wall, a fleshy circular wall.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just a big, uh, living brick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, but my complaint about the Webby thing, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, my complaint about the, uh, wait, what?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is Markiplier.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is going to lead into the Webby thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a whole transition.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, what is now I ruined that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, the Markiplier thing was, uh, you know, my complaint.
[SPEAKER_02]: was the x-ray, the screen that they would use to look at what's outside of the ship, wasn't up front with the controls of the design of the game works.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm guessing that's how the game has to be held again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like a game mechanic now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Join this.
[SPEAKER_02]: A movie mechanic.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, from my with the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like in the game, I'm guessing you have to leave your station controlling the sub to go to the back of the sub to blast the X-ray scanner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, take a picture and then go back to the controls.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Imagine if you're like the dashboard for your car was like in the back.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you have like like you're reversing you have to look over exactly if you get up and walk like you literally can't like there's a port hole on the front of the sub yeah you can see out but because of the environment they're in you literally you can't see anything yeah and so they're the port hole it basically is completely ineffective
[SPEAKER_03]: And so you have to use the camera to navigate.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so you have to get up, walk to the side of the sub, take the press the button, take the picture, and so then you just try to figure out how to make it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that, like, oh, yeah, that was, I was going to say that if you hold the button down, it just keeps blasting over and over again.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, that's fucking horrific.
[SPEAKER_03]: You eyed design from whatever engineer built that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jesus Christ, he's holding it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's blasting X3.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like it was a button stuck in now when I go up to the surface or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because we don't want to take an extra every like a couple seconds.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a anyway checkups gun was, um, you know, the moment on the submarine when they asked if you had the shield is a shield.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh, that's that's foreshadowing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, for the poor whole.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of the same thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bye.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wubbies thing, uh, the check-offs baseball throwing machine that they kept hinting at and they want to see.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they had like a shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: They kept showing like a static shot of it kind of in the back somewhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, like after it happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought something was else was going to happen with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it never did.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought you guys might need to put the tangerine in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And shooting it at the only.
[SPEAKER_03]: I stuck in the tangerine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, if I was there, I'd be shoving all kinds of things.
[SPEAKER_03]: I started and they got mad at me.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were like, stop putting you in a break.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good, they're probably going to wait who yelled at you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mike, my uh.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, the co-star contestant.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you call the people in the, um, uh, saw movies?
[SPEAKER_02]: Co-presenters.
[SPEAKER_03]: Co-presenters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hahaha.
[SPEAKER_02]: My fellow in mid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nigel, did you watch any of that story?
[SPEAKER_02]: Holy shit.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have no idea what you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, what else?
[SPEAKER_03]: What else?
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you tell them?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my god.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got a message from pay money well be like a week ago asking if I wanted to be in the 24-hour live stream Oh god So I asked him a few questions and then said yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh no
[SPEAKER_04]: What happened?
[SPEAKER_03]: Holy shit, it was fucking insane.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would say it's an experience I will never forget.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it comes, there's no way it comes across on camera, but like the I actually, I feel like it was a combination of boot camp, Guantanamo Bay, and a book of the worst 10 Stanford prison experiments, all happening simultaneously.
[SPEAKER_03]: with like the worst bits that had been pulled back to be like functionally and emotionally viable enough to pull.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I, there is no fucking way an ethics board would approve an experiment like this in a university setting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what it was.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, what what was the stream that we were trapped in a gymnasium like a school gymnasium for 24 hours and every some amount of time Something fucking awful would happen
[SPEAKER_03]: Why would you do it wasn't like I don't know Nigel and the it wasn't like on a set you know interval even though it was just kind of yeah So there was a huge stage in the corner and on it is like this mechanical lift like a stage looked like launch like Michael jacks out of the stage If you ever seen that clip yeah, yeah, and like the CO2 cryo cannons that's blast like 3,000 PSI you know Out of these enormous tanks I saw this after the fact I had no fucking idea what was going on during it
[SPEAKER_03]: And see, here he's like, and then this, a dude in like a black, like, gimp suit, like this suit would be launched out of the stage and just come running after you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like full speed, just sprinting at the contestant.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the four of us, the four co tortures would, would have to run from them.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so it was like tag.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was 24 hours a tag.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if they tagged you, you got punished.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the punishment was just a, oh shit, was like the most like, well, some of it was fine, but you never knew what it was going to be.
[SPEAKER_03]: And some of it was pretty bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, oh, you like, I don't want to get like, it was, it was like, there's a chance it could be something really like gross or awkward or uncomfortable or it's like, you know, some of them were, we're easy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, mine was getting like baseball's launched at one of mine.
[SPEAKER_03]: I say, I think like 50 things happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even remember.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like one of them was a baseball pitcher like machine launching baseball is at me.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm sitting there like against this wall of extra up to a wall and I'm like, am I going to like, what am I going to break my spine?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it turns out that just could probably go on the cheapest pitching machine on Amazon.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was the weakest shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like,
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: It only had a single wheel.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wasn't a double one doubles.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think a double one would have been bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so that's, you can see the like, there's like fear when you hear something.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think if you like scroll to the beginning, you can probably see like the head twitching.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, you guys were like fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Twitch chat was faster, though.
[SPEAKER_03]: This chat was unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, we're just sitting at this table.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, and then you like, everyone's like, up, out, get away, get away, get away, get away, get away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he comes and he chases you guys, picks off like the weakest of the pack.
[SPEAKER_03]: He like, hiding the corner that back corner was like the farthest away.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you kind of wait because they would turn to like, pick somebody to chase.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like, prey drive.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we go for the most unhealthy, you didn't want to book it all this for sickest, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: You looked it, it was I swear to God, like, oh, they would lock on to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so a lot of times I would try to be as slow as possible.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would like, I would like to blend their vision is, they're, they're, they're basically, it's obscured and based on movement.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so,
[SPEAKER_03]: I, it's so funny because like if you look at like this video online now, yeah, it's literally 24 hours.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's actually more than 24 hours or maybe, I don't know what, I think we started a little bit late.
[SPEAKER_03]: So their punishment, they got two of them, they had to blow out these candles.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like a bunch of just like yeah, sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those fans, it was sponsored by fans Lee.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I did you do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I regret nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you watch the stream, it looks really fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would say in real life, I was.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was definitely a like I would say there's some like loosely ingrained PTSD.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I understand, I truly understand PTSD.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's like these repeated, like I, the, like, I said the only thing, the only thing I could think of in this moment is, like, I felt like a kid in my room playing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then there was like a sound.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like dance home.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like dance home.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it was not just like dads.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: He opened the door.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like, like, you could hear the car.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, it was such an important thing for your brain to like, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it starts picking up on these like my new cues.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I was wondering, like, could you hear the own, he's like slightly, yeah, knocking.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what we could hear Kevin is nothing because it wouldn't get.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would get more quiet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so when we started, like, I'm telling you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So people are like playing backstage just talking chatting.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're organizing stuff like watching a game, a football game.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then before they would send them in, it would just get like a little bit more quiet.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so when it gets really quiet we've kind of like we're sitting there looking we've kind of like get out of your crisscross apple thoughts like I'm telling you I would not sit Crisscross apple sauce because it actually takes like probably double the time to get up when you're like so lucky like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like, I think the worst game that I had to play, the one I was most afraid of was the cockroach in a tube.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there was two, it was me and Pube, and we're on each side of a tube.
[SPEAKER_03]: It has a cockroach in the middle, a dead cockroach, and you had to blow it in any other person's mouth.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're like both like fighting on the straw.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who won that one?
[SPEAKER_03]: I won that one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good job.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was locked in.
[SPEAKER_03]: Was it close?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: I dominated the pool for a long capacity for days.
[SPEAKER_03]: Was it a live cockroach?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was done.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, OK.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, if it was like a cricket or something, I think I would have been five.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, like, I won a nap in the safe room.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, oh, that was for the state.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was, yeah, I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to win that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I did win that after, like, oh,
[SPEAKER_03]: Which is even closer to the stage and so every time the cans go off it was like I had heard them enough times That it still was like my like woke up with my heart racing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah So were there any states or what was there it was just at the end?
[SPEAKER_03]: It was just punishments and nope Oh, there was one stake.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was an actual stake.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so this is like this is
[SPEAKER_03]: They even fucked with the food that was like that was the hardest part is nothing was good Like if you saw something good, it was it was only there to be taken from you Like it would I genuinely if it was animals like if they did this stream with dogs people would have been losing their fucking Yeah, I imagine putting down like something really nice in front of a dog and take oh, yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: That was right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the life we were living and so the only the only like what was holding you would be canceled and just off of twitch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you're so yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had to there were two truths.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had to with maybe three truths, but when I started there was one truth is my socks were fully loaded with slim gem.
[SPEAKER_03]: Contraband Contraband so I like went we went to the amp and I got like the not the slim gym ones, but the like the flat ones that are like kind of just almost like OSB of beef jerky.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the concealed board chip chip board jerky.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had I four of those.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I had a thing of mentos and a cliff bar in my socks.
[SPEAKER_03]: The entire 24 hours the mentos were soggy as they were like absorbing my my moisture.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so that was like my first truth is I knew that no matter what, I had like some snack.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the second truth then was the my fellow prisoners, the camaraderie that the like the trauma bonding, it was so strong because the prison was like so bad that
[SPEAKER_03]: There was basically nothing that I think could have fallen at us again.
[SPEAKER_02]: They couldn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they couldn't break you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like the only thing you have.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even if these are the worst fucking people you've ever met.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're like the one of the only things that are like stable in your life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Together.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like your life is like a survival thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like actually I was not thriving.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was surviving.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like a monkey brain algorithm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the the the most painful part of the whole thing was mental not physical like if I had known what the punishments were it would have been fine Yeah, when they would come out.
[SPEAKER_03]: They'd have like lettering on their chest.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would say something and none of it led directly to like a punishment a lot of times It would like it would mislead you like it would you would you would think like oh this and now it's that Yeah, like the worst version of whatever that word could mean
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so in war, don't they, they've described it as, um, immense boredom punctuated by moments of sheer terror.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what what what did you do during the immense boredom stages between the enriched yet yeah, so the enrichment we got The first enrichment was you got just Food I think the first thing they gave us was food and it was just fucking uncle Ben white rice cup with soy sauce.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got good amount of soy sauce
[SPEAKER_03]: Two of the guys got frickin' down for the soy sauce.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that was our first enrichment as we had these, so I could be remembering this at order.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then the second enrichment I think was the hot dog puzzle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, like because you now have like new stimulation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like the food is a new stimulation the puzzle's a new stimulation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gotcha a thousand piece Oscar Meyer hot dog pack puzzle that we got we did the hardest parts we did the edges that we oh my yeah, we're man god all of the corners.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think right away.
[SPEAKER_03]: corners and edges and like most of the time we had to completely sorted all the colors like the bulk of the time was like sorting them into like gradient colors that you had like the hot dog skins were brown but then you had darker brown and lighter brown and we realized that like the darkest side was the bottom of my corner so the gradient was like lightest on the top and aside darkest on the right side in the bottom.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so we kind of like we're starting to like, you know, organize by gradients and by colors while they were building like the text pieces and so we get like bull edge some of the center pieces done colors fully sorted probably three hours into the puzzle and they send another own you on a black gimp suit demon nightmare and the fucking dude, they know we're going to run to the corner.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we run to the corner the back corner of the gym.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the dude doesn't get to it, he gets to the table with the puzzle on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's bucking, wrecked it, and then scoops half of it into a bucket and runs away.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like a prisoner that was told that they were getting sent home and then the guards like oops sorry, I was talking like my bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was actually imagine there's another in three years ago to like, that was the last time you guys you buy like a pop tart.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then a guard fucking takes it from you as you walk away.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, is that's the what it felt like that's where we were at.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like just belief on your face.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like no way nothing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Take nothing for granted like if they put something in front of you that was nice It needed to disappear immediately like food like when so like the second food that came are the second Enrichment after they destroyed the fucking puzzle
[SPEAKER_03]: was that shitty alligator game that like crock it out dentist, yeah, which we didn't play with at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then after that, the next food, I think was the hot dog.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he just brought out a fucking cold hot dog at some point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or maybe that was before I don't even remember, we didn't, we refused to eat the hot dog.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was so we were like so disrespected.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we were hungry and I'm telling you I don't know where in the like psychology like prison psychology train this is you But like refusing to eat food that had been brought to you by your capture Because it felt disrespectful like where is that in the chain like the food protest?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a thing, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It felt so natural at the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: We were just like, we're not going to eat this.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not going to let you like, we're not going to let you control like the food.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you were hungry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe they wanted to see you fight over the scratch.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know, which is why we didn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it was like the ultimate.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like the only protest that could have was to not eat it.
[SPEAKER_02]: you would have fought over it.
[SPEAKER_02]: If it, if it, if it was read, like I don't imagine a prison camp full of POWs or something like that, they throw on one hot dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think people, I think at that stage when you're like almost dead from starvation, no, I, I think there's something in your brain.
[SPEAKER_03]: You think there's like a human thing in your brain.
[SPEAKER_03]: where if you have a common enemy, you're willing to sacrifice everything for the collective, because collectively you know, if you eat that hot dog in an environment with that strong of a bond over a common enemy, what are you doing to yourself in the collective?
[SPEAKER_02]: Painting a target on your back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Painting a target on your back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's something in your brain that is like, so unwilling to paint that target where you see that and you know exactly where that's going and you're like, we are not going there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's always one asshole though, but not, not a few.
[SPEAKER_03]: But what happens to that in an actual P.O.W.
[SPEAKER_03]: environment?
[SPEAKER_03]: What happens to that asshole?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, he gets the asshole doesn't exist anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: Either by choice or by force.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like the next food that came out was ramen.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm telling you, the food is the thing I remember the most.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's something about food, what if you don't fuck with people's food?
[SPEAKER_03]: They come out with like four things of ramen noodles, like instant ramen noodle pot, like the cardboard tops, the big ones, not the phone ones.
[SPEAKER_03]: And a hot water pump, the like thermos that you pump on in like a like a little, you're work gets lunch kind of a thing that has full of coffee normally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I like pick it up and I'm like oh shit, it feels
[SPEAKER_03]: is not nearly as heavy as a thing of hot water should be.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so we like, you know, and I kind of, I didn't say anything and just like, just, whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they like, feel like the first, you know, I don't remember who did I think it was a will pump the water in and then buck an air comes out.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, only filled up his ramen bowl.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and we're sitting there and it's like,
[SPEAKER_02]: or bowls of ramen, only enough water for one.
[SPEAKER_03]: So at that point, all you've eaten is a cup of rice with soy sauce, a shared hot dog, and now ramen with none of our water.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, how far how many hours in has this kind of thing?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I actually don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have no idea maybe six p.m. or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think they brought a diet coke out at 1.2.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, I don't want that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, so I'm not asking one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, if any of the anxiety I have right now is it's going to skyrocket if I'm not.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I bring you out somebody else's in or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, poop.
[SPEAKER_03]: poop is addicted.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is your time to go cold turkey dude with the buck.
[SPEAKER_03]: Take that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those were his estrogen pills.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what you did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Give him feed him estrogen.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so we ended up just splitting the hot water.
[SPEAKER_03]: We would put the water in someone's noodles to try to cook them.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then move it to the next noodles to try to cook them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I had like a half inch of water in line.
[SPEAKER_03]: I put a little bit extra of just like a bottled water.
[SPEAKER_03]: One of them has been sitting around and I sat there for 10 minutes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like really.
[SPEAKER_03]: When time is free, you live in a lot of different ways.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like my time is worth nothing in this environment.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're just going to sit there and watch the noodles until they're perfect, soggy, perfect with, yeah, with like room temperature water at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you can do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can cold brew ramen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, but, but good news is I think there might actually be a better way to cook
[SPEAKER_03]: Like having a little bit of structure is actually kind of nice like it might be like I like that it's halfway in between like uncooked and cooked like it just I mean obviously it sounds fucking stupid setting and now but like it's like kind of the fun of eating the crunchy noodles
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, oh, you're talking about like maybe X extra alde and extra aldente for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, also could be because I was hungry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like a texture thing too.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a nice texture.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, don't think I think it actually like maybe worked better than regular.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, have you ever left a cup of microwave ramen noodles in the microwave for a few extra minutes before you get them out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's gross man.
[SPEAKER_02]: It all over the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they get over.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like worms.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's kind of what it feels like when you eat them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hate you for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's gross, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, really gross.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't like the over cook.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it definitely under cooks, but over cook.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you can kind of, I don't know if you can see where this is going, but like, when something came out that was like a good thing, it immediately in our minds was a bad thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: like something like no good cons without bad, but bad comes without good.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so you can find stability in the bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the better something was, yes, you're scared that you're more scared of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And ironically, once it once it peeked to maximum goodness, then it was safe.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, give me an example.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the breakfast, the first thing we ate in the morning, I think it was the first thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was like a actual breakfast sandwich made by a chef there that he cooked it in front of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like the lead up to that obviously is
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh no, the more time we spend watching the chef, the more we become like emotionally involved with these sandwiches, which then immediately in my mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think this is sort of maybe the definition of trauma in my mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: These signals led to somebody stepping on the sandwich in front of.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where it's not just, oh, you're hungry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's some food.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was here, you're hungry.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're making food for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's your food.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was the dragging it out.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you had plenty of time to like develop this expectation, not just a food, but of having the food taken away from you.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the worst part of them cooking it right in front of you is you can smell it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're mouth is watering.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never smelled something from that far away.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think my sense of smell is that good too, like I think there's something wrong with it, but like holy shit dude I could smell the bacon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm like I think a hundred feet away Yeah, you were like a loose you were having like a food morage Imagine you you like go up to your house.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and you're like watching Sandra cook and the first thing in your mind is she's gonna give us to me and then like step on it and destroy it
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, that's the relationship with the real bad, but you if you if you say that okay, this was only 24 hours like that's what I'm saying yeah, the only thing that stopped me from killing somebody was knowing that it was only 24 hours and that I had a slim gym in my soft
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm not joking.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the only thing between throwing hands like for death, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Was a clock and a sister's back.
[SPEAKER_03]: The disrespect was completely buffered by like a clock on the wall and a $2.00 zoom.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm telling you, I learned something in general about society, humans,
[SPEAKER_00]: myself.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm very glad that normally when I go to bed at night, usually every night, when I go to bed at night, I can just sort of close my eyes and not worry about anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Actually, it made me very grateful knowing that like I could go and get something to eat right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: No matter what, I could leave, I could get up right now, leave the podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't matter, like you guys missed it, me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Prison with suck.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think like, prison with suck?
[SPEAKER_03]: But like, it is different way in a like, it's worse, but better.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you don't have the same, I mean, there's no fucking way, unless you're in some absolute shit hole, where the prison is more like prison or war, but even then they wouldn't fuck with you, because it would make their job more difficult.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I think prison at least has like structure, yeah, the lack of structure,
[SPEAKER_03]: And actually, if anything, the chaos and like the sort of degradation that was in all coming to experience, it doesn't seem that bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think watching it, but like being there, IRL, the punishments were not that bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: The fear and the ignorance to what the punishment was, that was everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it was so.
[SPEAKER_03]: consuming, they're like not knowing when or what.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then they're like the running, like knowing that you're going to have to get up and run, like, yeah, you can't even sit behind.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was running for my fucking life, actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, that was one of the four hours, pay money when you look and pay me will be money live stream.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I do again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was my next question.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I would maybe do it again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not I was good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you would take a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that like, you know, I knew there there was like,
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know exactly where the line was, would like how bad it would be with the punishments.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: There were some that I definitely would have tapped out on, but you really don't want to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, you got to just, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like sucking chocolate off of sex workers' toes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like...
[SPEAKER_03]: It should have been me said that wasn't you saying you you're saying you would have tapped out I was I just know where there's no No, that's the thing you did that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I should have been me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would say that if I wasn't afraid of I know people then fuck you tweaking out at me joke
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I, I, do you only way to do that is how, who, that was Poo, Poo, yeah, they fucking hammered Poo, and then they hammered will to with the, the racie ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but I'm saying, like, he just went in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, zero has a taste.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just,
[SPEAKER_02]: No, what if their feet smell bad, that's not what I was worried about.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, what were you worried about?
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you mean worried about?
[SPEAKER_03]: What if their feet taste bad?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not worried about the feet or dirty.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not worried.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you mean what am I worried about?
[SPEAKER_03]: Your wife?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even think she would get that mad.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think just the idea, the visual.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah Kevin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, she's so skinny.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's talking to somebody's toes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think my, yeah, my wife would be mad if I chicken out of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that I would just the like the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm saying that's why we'll do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Enough did such a good job.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just like dove in there, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: I know he did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just think that's, that's will enough.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, just imagine everybody in Washington, you've ever seen it now.
[SPEAKER_03]: You seem sucking on toes.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's for a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: If it's for a safe, if it's poor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Love you thing, then you're like, oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you have, I didn't know he had that dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: Talked off, uh, sex workers toes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, like, no, generally, no, but if you put me in the circulation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the prize is nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, but then everybody's gonna call me, you know, names for not doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But also, they're gonna call me names for doing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the fucking torture.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is you're sitting there.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know how many people probably subscribed to her page that would fucking kill for that opportunity and that was like my worst nightmare in that moment?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like, where am I?
[SPEAKER_03]: What am I doing right now?
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, it's lady in the streets, by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that her?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it actually?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You figured this out?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I knew that was a good sponsor for them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was that really her name?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's her name on Reddit.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was in the streets.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know her fancy name.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, I just kept my eyes down.
[SPEAKER_03]: Get my body down, get my mind down.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was just in the gutter, in the rat little rat zone.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had made for myself psychologically.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think the, the two, I'm trying to be the two that scared me the most or so many the, the frickin presentation.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was, that was rough.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could, I like the instant.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I'm, I, if this was not live, I would do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But all you shit reading at a point started with a poop just ate it to it was like it starts with I think it was like I am a born Cherokee's I think apparently actually it does have He's like so good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, okay, and the next slide of course is like you know, but I choose to be black
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sitting there, I'm sitting here, he's sitting there with the clicker, and I'm sitting there like as far away as I can.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he doesn't know what's coming up.
[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't know what's coming up.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just like, I would whip it out and get this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you have the nuclear option.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think at this point whipping my penis out and getting the stream taken down is less bad than reading this PowerPoint out loud.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's so funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm not the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't have liked the cockroach one would have freaked me out.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I didn't lose.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like, you know, when they dropped you on that flower, like the mattress covered in flower, they should have done it from a lot of times.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's so much going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dude, I'm telling you, like any of these individual things might feel like not that interesting until you realize they were 15 minutes apart.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had, we were doing a watch party kind of like on the discord on the safety third disheartened.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fuck you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, kind of a party watching a celebration.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck you double.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like how you're rooting for your favorite team, you know, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the underdog.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Underdog.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to win.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I would, I had like open on the second monitor and, you know, I'd like, Oh, not the first one.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I was playing Arc Raiders on the first one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I had to need double stimulation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so had zero enrichment asshole.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I heard you guys talking about man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish we could play Arc Raiders right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fucking, that's what Matt was saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I'd kill for a game of Arc Raiders right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: As I'm playing Arc Raiders.
[SPEAKER_03]: Graping Legos off the ground.
[SPEAKER_03]: They were, they were knock off Legos Kevin.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, literally it was punishment.
[SPEAKER_03]: They made a walk over Legos and I was fucking collecting them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we could build Lego stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I would walk away, I would go have lunch, I would come back and I would like, you know, say it was like two hours right, I would kind of skim through to kind of find to try to find the challenges.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I realized I missed so many of them because you were talking about all these challenges that I didn't see.
[SPEAKER_03]: You didn't miss them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for reminding me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you know, okay, so imagine you've got a bunch of Legos in your room.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you want to build something like I would love to build some music, but you also know that 15 minutes later You're stepped out a piece of step dad's going to come in and knock whatever you build on the floor and tell you that real men don't play What would you build legos though and I love no no I would not how I felt the instant I collected all the legos We had a huge pile of legos plus the set they gave us.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like I have zero enthusiasm for building this right now Because they're just going to come in and destroy it
[SPEAKER_02]: I know like with the puzzle you guys are saying like oh I wonder if we complete it do we get a prize to something that you're the guy something good happen you're like and then they come out and they destroy it and you're like well, maybe we didn't build it fast enough
[SPEAKER_02]: and then everything else they would bring out is like oh god what what what are we supposed to do?
[SPEAKER_02]: What does this mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: How do we appease them?
[SPEAKER_02]: And there wasn't there was no way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dude, even though I was like I find like a really good corner to hide and like far back corner because like I could put most of my body behind a trash can and not move.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like they would the only one come after me because it didn't realize I was there and I was like they're going to tell them.
[SPEAKER_03]: that I'm there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, like I knew that hiding would draw too much attention to me and I would get being harder for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I like that's where I like you couldn't hide.
[SPEAKER_02]: What about climbing the bleachers?
[SPEAKER_02]: I always thought about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think I could have done that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that would have gotten us in trouble though.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you know, you obviously, you don't want to do anything that's like against the stream, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you got a within a reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, at this point, I think there's a lot of downtime between the only things.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think if you just drew the only thing out for like 20 minutes, you could do it for one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you could get away with, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like I hid in a trash bag for a bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I pulled the trash can next to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had taken one of the bags out earlier and I was like, I had kind of like positioned to myself so that I was like half out of the bag and behind the trash can.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it looked like there's just a bag of trash next to the trash exactly and it wasn't moving.
[SPEAKER_03]: It didn't look like a human and I was though I'm like sitting there and I'm just like,
[SPEAKER_03]: thinking to myself that they're they know I'm in here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm going to tell them I'm in here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going to get the shit beaten out of me because I can't fucking run.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, what do I do?
[SPEAKER_03]: The horn goes off or the cannon goes off and I like I then I like I have you hide.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I have to stay in there and I can't move the by the time I realize that the only knows where I am.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's too fucking late to run because I can't run when they're coming up because then I'm not hiding.
[SPEAKER_02]: So is that like a sudden realization that you had once the only popped out is like, oh my god, what he knows.
[SPEAKER_03]: I knew that I was either going to survive or get the
[SPEAKER_03]: And then after the fact they, they told me they're like, oh, yeah, we knew you were in there and we sent them out to beat the shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they had 24 cameras on you guys at all times.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like really high quality PTZ cameras.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they didn't miss anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, yeah, I knew that the more I tried to avoid it, the worse it would be.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I just mostly like didn't try.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's like what I'm trying to describe is the like acceptance of just sleeping and then letting them catch you and then having to drag you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the only way to win is to just take the beating.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I don't know what phase of the like diagram that exists for this, it is like where in the circle is the like the just accepting Yeah, the environment like letting the environment win and then just like like just floating through the river.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's where the trash bag one was.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was the point where I just, you know, maybe the worst thing happens is I lose and get beaten.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which is going to happen anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, there's a chance.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know Nigel, would you do it?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think you could survive.
[SPEAKER_03]: I say this right now, there's no fucking way Nigel could.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can throw down literally.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no fucking way.
[SPEAKER_04]: Here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: We ask you it.
[SPEAKER_04]: But if I, if I signed up, not knowing what it was.
[SPEAKER_03]: He would know choice.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I would walk out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would put my life on you walking out.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, okay, why would this stream watch a little bit of the stream and then then form your opinion?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, here's the people that I say wouldn't walk out because it's not it's not a toughness thing and it's it's a there's something I don't know how to describe it other than it's a it's because you can't make it good.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can only put up with it I think the people that could do it because all I will say about myself is that was like
[SPEAKER_03]: completely.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was a fully consumed tank.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was not like I had more tank.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was like pretty maximum like endurance for the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would say that was like peat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Max absolutely maxed up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Michael could do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Alan could do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think Nigel could do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I know that Nigel couldn't do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think Kevin could do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Kevin could do half of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Nigel could do the first 20 minutes.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, I could do until I got sleepy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why?
[SPEAKER_03]: Nigel, this is not a debate.
[SPEAKER_03]: You would last 20 minutes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you would leave.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, if I knew what it was, I would never show up.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it might not be a little late.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that who else do I think could do it?
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think watch Alex Ernst could do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He'd be having a mental breakdown, but he would.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, my Alex Ernst is the like, the float down the river.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, oh, yeah, he'll go like brute force.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like he'll he'll be the one in the fight just like getting punched in the face, waiting for the other guy to get tired.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is, we'll just turn into like a fucking tank and like just be the balder.
[SPEAKER_03]: The most fucking insane thing I've ever done, I feel like I have an actual taste of some of the really bad things in the world, not like the full flavor, but enough taste, imagine you taste a little bit of salt.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can extrapolate what a lot of salt tastes like.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was the experience as I was like, I did not know what that actually was like, but now I know what that is like.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, being like a U.S. spy caught in Russia in the Cold War.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what the pain of being actually tortured is.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I know what my brain would be doing in that situation where I had like no other options.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, when you're being wait to be waiting to be dragged out of your solid and it's definitely bad enough that you would, when you if inevitably you ever made it home, you would never forget that and normal things like sitting down in front of a TV and eating dinner would feel wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: So thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to say thank you to that clock and the four slim gyms in my sock.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and fans Lee for sponsoring the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: The whole thing, you would having half naked girls running around.
[SPEAKER_03]: That make it worse.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's really, yeah, I'm like, this is, I can't, I don't, I don't need it right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is only will bring bad things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, especially because now you've associated them with like feelings of pain.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not in the women anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because every time they would come out, something bad would happen to
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I was going to say I do I do seriously mean it though.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the stream makes it look a lot more fun than it was it was no I I think that's how it is, but I mean like I mean not that it wasn't fun, you know, but it makes you feel like you could do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's how I feel anything from it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just feel like.
[SPEAKER_04]: the reason that I wouldn't leave is because to me, leaving is more embarrassing than stay.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I didn't leave.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm trying to say is this went, I would, I would never, ever, ever subject you guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I think the close thing we've done to something really, dude, this was 10, this was a hundred times more than scared of the kind of, I think the worst thing we've ever done was the mall Santa video, but even that was, like, so compartmentalized, and it was, like, really, like, thought out to, like, and it was edited, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's sort of pull the best moments.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, being alive the whole time.
[SPEAKER_03]: The true tear of not knowing what's coming, knowing it could be really bad and really like not just embarrassing but like actually potentially get you in the shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: that having to go 24 hours and then the food being fucked up was like maxed out who's the one that had to wear the pet a file dash that was uh um poop and you were trying to like stitch it to see like I was like trying to figure out like what there's like an overhead shot of it like folding it unfolding it unfolding it like what the fuck do I spell this like we ended up settling on because I also couldn't take too many letters out or would get too
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, imagine we're shooting a show and I come out with a sashes as pet a file on it and I put it on you.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you do?
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, you're other options.
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you accurately erase this?
[SPEAKER_04]: Would you wear it?
[SPEAKER_04]: And you just put it on me.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'd already be wearing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nigel, but if you didn't eat breakfast this morning, how would you feel?
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't eat breakfast this morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, would you rather wear the pedophile one that secretly racist one?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you got off pretty easy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know what the, I think they knew they couldn't put those on.
[SPEAKER_04]: The first food, I routinely, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: My eating habits are got off right now, but if I don't know what I'm supposed to do, I definitely know that none of you guys would not do either.
[SPEAKER_04]: So this is like, this is what I'll say about it is, if I knew what it was, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would never show up.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, um, but if I knew what it was.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then I'd be prepared like if I so it's like I would never show up, but if I somehow did, I feel like that'd be okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would say that the only way if something like that happened and I'd walk off, like for example, if you did a production, you'd be like, if you literally told me, you're like, oh yeah, do don't worry, it's like, let's say, you literally lie to get me there.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then you realize the production is that now you have to endure a day where everything was just the lie like then I would just be annoyed to start off right like that would be bad versus it was like oh it's a mystery but just know it's going to be brutal I'd be like more likely
[SPEAKER_04]: to stay.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would walk off if you literally this poorly worried it, but if you told me, you put on a production like that and said, dude, it's fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to start late.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it noon.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll end that like, you know, a few hours.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's only going to be four hours.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's chill.
[SPEAKER_04]: You get like breaks.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I show up and goes, no, it's 24 hours.
[SPEAKER_04]: No breaks.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're being torture.
[SPEAKER_04]: I be like, well, I'm not dealing with this.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm leaving because I'm just like
[SPEAKER_02]: I think when you, like, what he was getting into, just not.
[SPEAKER_02]: I knew it was gonna be bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not that loud.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I was like, I was like, I might fear with the whole thing because I, you know, I, I just, you know, I did this murder thing I could do and I, I just, you know, I reached about around and just tried to get some vibes from people.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I just need to know how bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, what do we talk it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, where, where,
[SPEAKER_03]: Where in the bad scale are we going like is this survivable or is this like career ending bad because you really don't you don't you can't Yeah, you really like leaving it's like the worst thing you can do and so you got to like stick it through But there's a point where you're like oh shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't fucking know I don't know how I do not know what to do
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the two, the couple that I did not know what to do, I didn't get stuck with.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know if that was their genius or if I got lucky.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I feel like it's definitely their genius.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think a little bit of a plan some stuff or like, I mean, I feel like it's probably a bit like the Santa one where we went in taking it was all completely like, you know,
[SPEAKER_04]: And but then you say you like yeah, I'm not I know this kind of like there was some like strings to make it go a certain way where I feel like it's probably the same thing where For example, if you again, you said you have like fancy girls running around it's like if one of the guys there you know that if you'll do anything like you'll do everything except you know the tow sucking part.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: You'll be like, I'm not going to shove that on him because it's kind of kind of like make his whole experience bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: Whereas he will he'd be willing to just get abused in every other way and have a good time still here.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like there's like there's a little bit of that probable.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm saying this knowing nothing that you've seen clips from it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's how I'll frame it for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like because I did ask is anything you won't do.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, I'm like, like, like, just like the things that I were like, I was thinking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're like the other way.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, it's probably not going to be that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I probably should have.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because like the one would have been like no sexual stuff, but I didn't end up with any of those.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and uh, and I think that's
[SPEAKER_03]: And nothing that leaves like a physical mark, like a long lasting physical mark.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the wifful bet's fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I was like paintball, I was like the one questions.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like basically like if it's anything like paintball, like no fucking way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I will have a shot with a paintball gun.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's not it's not like the it's not getting shot with the paintball guys like the inability to like just have to stay on there and take it exactly yeah it's the like defenselessness with something that's like I would say considerably bad like paintballs are pretty bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: They'll make you believe what you have on if you have a tease if it's your skin.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's bad, but if you have like if it's in jeans, you're kind of you do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even a t-shirt you're going to have a giant now, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: The people and how much they crank it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would say it's more of like a litmus test.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the people going to like the canary on the call mine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if the paper gun is on the table.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like a surprise paintball gun attack.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, I did say if that's on the table like what else is on the thing I find the thing that I find is weird though about these challenges kind of like what you said is I feel like if we were other people
[SPEAKER_04]: your fears would be different because it's like as someone who is a creator you go in and like you said there's a I don't know again I don't know the games but it's like in your head you're like if I say this that might impact you know you have to do something I trust them on this stand on like the production stand yeah yeah
[SPEAKER_04]: I agree, but it's just in general, it's like, like you said, you're like, I don't want to be put into a position that I'm forced to kind of balance between what I'm comfortable doing, which matters less than like you said, looking good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will do fucking anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: as long as it doesn't cause me, like last things, like lasting repretitions.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but that's what I'm saying is like, I feel like if you were just some random who has no internet press, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: And they'd be like, oh, you know, you got to go do this nasty thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're like, I don't care.
[SPEAKER_04]: No one knows who I am.
[SPEAKER_04]: Where's you like go?
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm actually kind of fine doing that, but I don't want to be the guy who did that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's, I don't want to be put in this position where I'm trying to like,
[SPEAKER_04]: not, like you said, have lasting effects on how my image is, but then also not look like I'm babying out, which also will affect my image, like it's very image based versus I find if you found a guy in the street and paid him 10 grand to do it, he's just like, I
[SPEAKER_04]: His thing is eating a cockroach or something, let's say, is that gross?
[SPEAKER_04]: Where's like, if I were to eat, I'd be like, do I want to be the guy who, like, let's say did that thing on camera?
[SPEAKER_04]: And like, that starts to go through my head.
[SPEAKER_04]: Where's I feel like it is a coyote of the cockroach?
[SPEAKER_03]: It makes the fears different.
[SPEAKER_03]: If I don't get it, I didn't lose though.
[SPEAKER_02]: It depends.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I knew it was like,
[SPEAKER_03]: If they caught it like in the cafeteria and I was clearly like a dried that then I would I would eat it Oh, it wasn't a lie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it wasn't a lie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, I wouldn't do that.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I'm not And because they find the same thing too is like for one of the for one of the blue shorts
[SPEAKER_04]: I think extra something I eat like a dry tarantula.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the thing though is that like I do that's the other factor is like when you know you're trying to do like a production even if it's for someone else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: You kind of are like, you you're outside of yourself in a way where you're like, I'll do this thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Where's if you I'm just chilling with you and you like you want to eat this tarantula?
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to, but if you were filming it and it's for him would try it.
[SPEAKER_04]: But if it, if you're playing it up, you're kind of hype, you know, whatever, you're like, you know what, I'll do it because it's fun for the production.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know, I say, and you toss it to me, I'm like, I don't want this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why would I eat that?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll definitely, if I really suspect myself to worst stuff on camera, then why would you be there?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I would draw the line at honestly putting gross stuff in my mouth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even if it was like safe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I wouldn't trust them that it's safe.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where it comes back.
[SPEAKER_03]: That one, I trust that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if I saw it come out of a package, I would do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hot pocket that they had.
[SPEAKER_03]: They probably had like a thumbprint and I'm just like,
[SPEAKER_03]: You fucking assholes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, just like right through the crowd.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's probably like a glove.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm assuming it's somebody.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not going to like, because it was like a super professional setup.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like a vibe by watching the professional production team.
[SPEAKER_03]: The set up behind the stage is crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you know they're doing it just to like fuck with you?
[SPEAKER_02]: And like how every time we get into challenge they could get everything out like instantly it's like they move like all these beds and mattresses or like that the rig that hung you up on top of the mattress to drop you on the flower like they had that set up in a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was wild.
[SPEAKER_03]: I bet the sushi out though.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I imagine there's stuff going on too, where it's like, let's say, you, yeah, you, like you kind of mentioned before, where you're putting a position where you're like, this is like my line, but I don't want to be that guy who just, they had it.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was a safer, there to be clear.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, okay, okay, I'm just saying, like, but there is that thing where you're like, like you said, you're like, I didn't tell them this was something I'm not comfortable doing, but this is like really bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, like you said, if I didn't know there's a safer,
[SPEAKER_02]: where it's like you aren't you don't have to be pushed to the point where you're like I am going to legitimately hate myself after this or have like you said like lasting problems like that's not really in their interest yeah no no I wonder like you know you could play often instead of having a safe word just have a path and then then you would have to do some like you know little no like in the go to you have the other guys you have you can like a hand
[SPEAKER_02]: Or they put you in the trade, they put you in the tower of shame for 30 minutes and yeah, different from the ceiling or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I like that idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think like seeing how it was and kind of, you know, like knowing reference for the future, like as long as I didn't have the fear of landing on one of the ones I must afraid of, then it's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I really liked the soccer one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that was a good all the balls well.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they they had this guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was a poop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a goal.
[SPEAKER_04]: He seems to get everything bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's the same poop got the short end of the poop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it wasn't that bad, but it was so then they had the girls come out and try to kick the soccer balls into the goal.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're so shitty.
[SPEAKER_02]: They worked.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, because they were wearing like platform.
[SPEAKER_04]: Where do I see this?
[SPEAKER_04]: Where can I see clips?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's twitched probably yeah, I mean, maybe maybe he's gonna put it to you too And you know, there's four balls lined up that each did two and he blocked them all yeah, and you know I think he's like all right I didn't even he's like you I like I know it's coming like there's like yeah Obviously they're gonna send like and then they sent out like two pro soccer players Like I'm like okay, how did they get these guys number one and then the girls bring the balls like 10 feet closer to the goal And you could tell they were taking it easy on him at first
[SPEAKER_02]: This they weren't trying to make it in the goal to be clear and they started like kicking the ball at him and then you all egged on the soccer players like I could kick harder than that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look at you kick shitty.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then they they really well them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think like the fact that I like you know how it's going to happen You know the girls are going to kick in.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not that big of a deal and you know that's not the end of it without knowing where it's going.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know it's not ending
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, yeah, that is where we were all living.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that was pretty early on though.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that's what today or yesterday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wait, that was the second way.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was that was that reason.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was Sunday morning.
[SPEAKER_03]: Was it in the morning?
[SPEAKER_03]: It was in the morning on Sunday.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because I think they'd already done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, Sandra was.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, so here's one.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they re-enacted the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.
[SPEAKER_03]: Would I have, should I have, should I be able to say for it on that one?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, you think I could, you think that would be, I'd be fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that would be fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think what also goes a long way is just like openly stating your objections.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like you just, if you just, no, no, like I'm saying, like they go, you do this.
[SPEAKER_04]: And if you just comment like, just react, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like if you just like you said, you're like, oh, I don't know about this one.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, I think that's fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like,
[SPEAKER_04]: As long as it's like, you know, there's some, you're able to stay here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, man, I'm against this, but I'm for him to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: If we were to scare the coyotes season two and we had a cross and the challenge was to be crucified.
[SPEAKER_03]: What would you do?
[SPEAKER_04]: I would go, I would have to, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like the show must go on.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks like a camera.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really hope the editors have some thing going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think this part cannot be edited out of my objections.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I, that was the, I really appreciated that one up because I ended up using the rope for it to tie a news.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you were double new stuff at one point.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had a news on the other end to this is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you ever like, new stuff with somebody else?
[SPEAKER_03]: I tried.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we were afraid of doing that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Was it somebody on the other hand?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did I post strangly?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, at some point though, I was like, hope I was praying for death.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like to when you guys were eventually you were planning on fighting back.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you you started building a fortress out of tables and chairs.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll have like 20 minutes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me let me like I'll try to paint this picture.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been 23 hours.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's an hour left.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like 11, I don't even know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was like an hour before the end.
[SPEAKER_03]: They hammered us with like three or four things and yeah Well, we came out and he's like, all right.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's gonna pick up the pace But when we're like okay, and so you're sitting in a thinking like all right They've like clapped us and they're gonna keep clapping us and then it like yeah So like like 12 15 12 30 or sorry 11 15 11 30 is like 30 minutes up like nothing's happening Mm-hmm and it ends at noon and nothing's happened
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you got the magic one like 12 30 12 30 so then now imagine it's 12 45 and nothing's happened in 15 minutes and you're approaching the end.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, or 11 you're like, oh god, what are they planning what what's it going to be what's it going to be like you know that if it was like a drawn out finale we're like something's happening every like five minutes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're like cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're like hammering us to the end.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But when it's approaching the end and there's been nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, oh, they're for fair alley.
[SPEAKER_03]: They need a lot of time to prepare.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not even thinking about preparing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like they're just bucking with us.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they're they're like purposely not doing anything until the very end.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they can absolutely pound you.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so that was the like the realization that like something really bad was coming and we needed to build a
[SPEAKER_03]: And then nothing happened and nothing happened and nothing happened and it's new.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like right on noon or like 1159 and they like set up four chairs on the other side of the room next to the stage and they're like, come over for a picture.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they like they now they've broken the matrix, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like you're used to this formula.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, you're sort of you fold it so fast.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, because you know that like you want to, you know, you're like, want it to be over, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And so you know that you're like, if you're going to willingly participate in this,
[SPEAKER_03]: And I immediately grabbed one of my rat-ness trash bag.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the 50 gallon trash bag.
[SPEAKER_03]: So smart.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I put the chairs next to each other and they're going to do something like, because what are they going to beat us?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm like, well, you want to take a picture.
[SPEAKER_03]: And nothing, there's been no finale and you want to take a picture.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know what it was, but having the chairs next to each other didn't stand out to me as something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the nothing happening didn't stand out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dude, that's all saying it's a different world when you're there because this is like you've been getting pounded.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that the chairs were up against a black curtain in the corner of the room and you couldn't see what was behind it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the weird part.
[SPEAKER_03]: Imagine your dad is like piss at you and he's like he punches you and he's like just yelling at you in your room for 10 minutes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he comes back and he's like digging you he's like you hear him in the garage and like a weird part of the garage He doesn't normally go in like he's opening a cabinet and you're like, why would he and you're like, oh God, what's happening?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he brings a chair and he's like sitting the chair.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, and then he like puts my dress knock.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to take a picture.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're like, you're going to execute me right now, Dad.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I knew that was what was happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's everything, every part of my body, my prediction machine was like, there is no way that something horrible isn't happening right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's, that is the 24-out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Was a constant expectation of something awful.
[SPEAKER_03]: And when nothing has happened and the show is about to be over and they line up four chairs to take a picture, there's only one thing that can happen and there's like one thing my brand is screaming.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you give me a play by play of what happens after you sit down because the stream actually shut down as soon as you sat down in those chairs?
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so we sat down.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the only came up behind us, they started wheeling the, like just carts and carts and carts filled with like the shaving cream pies and then they stopped and what we said go back and we waited a second and then they kind of like came in again, okay, but they just kind of like reset.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay, and I think the stream came back on like right as they were like throwing the first pie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they didn't even catch the wheel up.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's at least I didn't see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was sitting there like refresh refresh.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's really what a fucking ball drop.
[SPEAKER_03]: I totally shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: What an embarrassment.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have this creator dumping like God knows how much money hundreds of thousands of dollars into this production and you're fucking don't pay attention to that
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Apparently people in the chat were saying that it's like Twitch restart a stream after 24 hours.
[SPEAKER_03]: You think they couldn't like.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you imagine like do you make in content for a platform is like the hardest part of But I think that Webby would have known that and he would have maybe done the reset in the middle of the night.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who knows.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe they talked with Twitch and asked them to not do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, but also like for big creators, I feel like we just shouldn't do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, if a stream is over a certain size, don't we say?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would have figured that if it was a problem, if what we knew it, it was going to be a problem, it would have done something about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they like totally blindsided and by making, by like, you know, surprise kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: God bless the internet and the internet companies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyways, and they just piled us a bunch.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was pretty unscathed thanks to my friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was shaving cream, so it wasn't even whipped cream.
[SPEAKER_02]: No shaving cream.
[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't even taste good, huh?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you like, even like, what, no, it didn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it brings my eyelids, like, walking in with a trash bag.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was even thinking, they're gonna make me take the trash bag off.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're gonna make me take the trash bag off.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't, I even like just cut a hole in the face.
[SPEAKER_03]: You didn't even put my head there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just put my face there.
[SPEAKER_03]: How did you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: I, okay, because I didn't, I didn't,
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the finale that you haven't done anything for 30 minutes.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're going to slide me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are they going to hurt me?
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you have a finale with beatings?
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's just going to come out with a bunch of bats.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a gotsauce.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's only one finale that makes any sense in that situation.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's making a huge fucking mess.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm telling you, when you have that much time to think about these and you're living anything like you know exactly what's coming next and it's a god there wasn't like a faint mint scent whafting into the gym okay I knew it in my bones this is going to be a disaster I thought maybe like they were going to like have some slime mechanism above us like dump a bunch of slime
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't think it was going to be whipped cream pies.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just knew it was going to be something that got ever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because we're like relatively clean looking too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was surprised.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: How clean everybody looked after all that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even getting like being a human mopping interaction.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh oh yeah uh it's deflected a lot your trash bag armor deflected most of the items yeah yeah they also were absolutely shit throw I know I saw somebody like throwing them at you and they kept hitting you like edge on and they would like flip yeah so you like hitting hitting hitting hit by the foil yeah I just closed my eyes I got to go all right all right we'll see you guys
[SPEAKER_04]: Or we could just mark a player.
[SPEAKER_03]: Bocking unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_03]: Unbelievable.
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