[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got Ethan and Solomon here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey guys!
[SPEAKER_02]: We're so glad you're here today and this is going to be a really impactful, interesting episode about raising up boys to be godly men.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought, you know, we're always on here talking about the subjects.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I thought we could learn from our own sons who are in the mix of it right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Solomon's 10 and Ethan's 15.
[SPEAKER_02]: and they give some really powerful insights and tips kind of behind the scenes look into our family and discipleship, relationship, teachable heart, bible time, church, other influences outside of the family, peer pressure, standing firm in the midst of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: All of these things, these guys discuss with me and talk about real stories and experiences.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have a robust conversation about raising up boys to become
[SPEAKER_02]: What better than to hear from a couple of these guys, Solomon, you're 10, welcome to the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ethan, you're 15?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, push and 16 here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So really appreciate having you guys on.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll be asking some questions of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They can freely answer and
[SPEAKER_02]: give you kind of inside look in what's happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it definitely takes going against the grain.
[SPEAKER_02]: It takes a greater level of intentionality.
[SPEAKER_02]: It takes being careful about pure relationships.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe it takes doing church in a more intentional way.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of things that kind of go into it, but I thought we would just open it up here, so Ethan, what do you think in your experience being in the Tulpen home, what do you think is important for people to know about what made a difference for you, being in our home and coming to know the Lord and loving the Lord?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's just amazing how like we would go to church and then afterward, you guys would ask us about the sermon and if we had questions you would answer them and you were just making sure we were always learning about Jesus.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's helped me a lot on my journey, no one lords.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the things that we've always done in our home is taking the kids with us.
[SPEAKER_02]: They sit with us in church, all ages, no matter if it's a church that, you know, really does that or not, we always, we're doing that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think the power in that is that we're all hearing the same sermon.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so then it's so easy to flow out of that and have conversations.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think?
[SPEAKER_02]: So, a lot of times most often, you know, we're just talking about what the ceremony was about, what the pastor said, I'm always curious what they picked up and what they got out of it, Angie is as well, and we're having these great conversations where they were.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, at a meal afterwards or once we get home or we're driving in the car, depending on what was going on in that season.
[SPEAKER_02]: But those conversations are rich and it's so fun to see what your kids, you know, got out of the message and so forth.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, right now you both are serving in the church, which is really neat.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so maybe you could just share how that happened with you, Ethan, and then Solomon and you could share an
[SPEAKER_04]: We did it at Open House when we were playing at church and I started going and take guitar lessons again and used teachings how to lead worship and at the Open House I had never been in front of people leading worship or anything and just not getting pulled into that but like it just kind of happened.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was cool how God worked in that and if you came the worship leader assistant and been learning so much and it's just been an awesome
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right in the beginning of the church, I mean, you know, the church immediately 160 people showed up the first day, we opened and it's just kind of been that big or bigger since now, a bit bigger.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there were times where, you know, our small worship team of three at the time,
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, the other two would wouldn't be able to make it and you'd be leading all by yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's times that happened to Megan too, where she's leading all by herself and I'm so proud of you guys because she's getting up there in front of everybody and truly worshiping the Lord and leading others into that.
[SPEAKER_02]: What a, what a powerful experience and it's just been so neat to see your growth and development and that and how you've been growing strong in the Lord too.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yesterday, you know, before I get
[SPEAKER_02]: and I'm looking over praying over my, you know, sermon notes and so forth and then the whole worship team gets there a little bit later and they're all practicing and then yesterday morning, they just started going off on this original song, Ethan impromptu is singing and the Holy Spirit's just leading them and the
[SPEAKER_05]: It's even I realize that we were getting too comfortable with the world's vision of how to raise our children.
[SPEAKER_05]: But Angie and Isaac have done and creating this is literally phenomenal.
[SPEAKER_00]: This program provided awesome scripture base.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This class has just really rocked my world.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We now have a game plan to how we want to raise our children.
[SPEAKER_05]: We have so many answers to the questions that have been
[SPEAKER_05]: In our mind, it's not just these hypothetical situations or it's not just this, here's what I think you should do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Drums go.
[SPEAKER_02]: kind of the hermonica mic starts just going off, you know, making a mix and, uh, well, the bass is going, you know, it was just, it was amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I should, with my phone, I shot a little clip of it because I'm like, I've never heard this before.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't quite know what was happening, but see that spontaneous creation happen of music upon stage when you guys were kind of goofing around.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it is fine, but it was really cool too because I love praising God because of everything that he's done for everyone on this world and just it's really awesome to be able to make our own music, know that we have like a bigger band and just praising with everything we have.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's so cool, and it's just neat to see and now 15 people on the worship team, what a wonderful thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Solomon, you know, I didn't see this coming at all, but talking about serving, you know, you are now on the audio team and an older gentleman poured into you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now you're with an iPad and the back, controlling each person's instruments during worship and my mic and anybody's mics that are being used and all of that in your 10 years old and yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: just kind of blowing my mind what you're able to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: How did you, how did that get going?
[SPEAKER_03]: They were practicing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had to come early for you because mom was sick or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Sean was the worship leader was joking around about me being an audio guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the real audio visual guy came out to me so I fed him and taught me everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think it's because you showed such sincere interest that he kept investing in you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's one of the things I'm seeing.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're in a, we're in a time where there's often silos everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: What I mean, if you think of grain silos, they're separated, they're holding different grains and they're separating them from, you know, touching each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: being airy each other and you see that in the work world and there's books, there's business books about how do we break down the silos so we're working as a stronger team, different departments are connecting, different leaders communicating and mix the whole company healthier and then you go to the church and you see these same silos being built.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, the kids are over here by different ages, the adults are over here, and pretty soon, the older people have wisdom, but nobody wants that wisdom from them.
[SPEAKER_02]: The younger people aren't used to talking to older people, so they don't want the wisdom from the more experienced people, and you have this fragmented groups, and that starts to actually separate families too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's going different directions.
[SPEAKER_02]: It creates friction with in siblings.
[SPEAKER_02]: I only want to hang out with
[SPEAKER_02]: and these kinds of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what we're seeing is a breakdown of the silos.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's healthy to break down silos and to where, you know, the older reporting into the younger,
[SPEAKER_02]: The younger are seeing value in the older, different age kids are running the race together and lifting each other up and communicating with each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's what we're seeing in this age integrated or family integrated church that a riddle Bible church in them, we're seeing the fruit of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: For example, Solomon is running audio on Sundays with oversight.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's an older gentleman that helps him and keeps teaching and has oversight, but what an incredible opportunity.
[SPEAKER_03]: If he was like I'd get to serve and I'd love to serve the Lord.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, feels good inside, doesn't it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's such a wonderful thing to do for the Lord.
[SPEAKER_02]: How's it feel for you, Ethan?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it just gives me a purpose on a path to serve the Lord and it just makes me so joyful in my heart because I get a praise the Lord while serving him and it's just amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's so amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I've often said, you know, our dinner table to you guys, that it's what you're doing when no one's looking that matters most.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can all, you know, read the Bible together.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's wonderful, that's a wonderful thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if people aren't doing things on their own, then that might be a sign that there isn't a actual personal relationship developing with the Lord.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so many families, the kids, unfortunately, are kind of just going along.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, yeah, I'm a Christian.
[SPEAKER_02]: but maybe don't have that personal relationship that's growing and maturing inside of them, you know, Ethan, especially since being 15, you know, what does that look like for you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you willing to share kind of, you know, your spiritual disciplines or you know, what motivates you to learn more about the Lord or your prayer life?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so I got baptized when I was I think seven and a half to eight years old and I remember that day I got baptized in a river and there's I went in the water and I came out and I remember people saying you you're new Ethan you're bringing you your born again and is it was amazing like just that testimony that God has made me new He's renewed my soul and just
[SPEAKER_04]: Just remembering that day throughout my life has been really cool and helpful and just following the Lord has been such a great journey and reading my Bible every day helps me helps my mind to just think on Him throughout the day.
[SPEAKER_04]: It also makes me joyful and be a better older brother, a better younger brother, because I have read the Bible I spent time with Jesus.
[SPEAKER_04]: and he's giving me that piece in my heart in that joy throughout the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: How are you motivated to do that?
[SPEAKER_02]: How did you come to wanting to do that?
[SPEAKER_04]: Get to know him more and just really know scriptures so I can defend my faith against people that don't believe in him and are asking questions even.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, hey, this Bible verse I don't really understand it so that I can help them on their journey.
[SPEAKER_02]: and be a witness of Christ.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's wonderful, you know, how is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: What is it like when we're talking about the Bible around the breakfast table?
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe give people a bird's eye view into some of the times we're doing things together.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so my dad, he will read the scripture, he'll explain it, and then all of his kids would ask questions about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there's this communication at the table that is so helpful because you get hearing your brothers and sisters questions.
[SPEAKER_04]: What they understand, and then you take that in, and then my dad answering.
[SPEAKER_04]: questions and my mom answering questions and bringing in other Bible verses even sometimes.
[SPEAKER_04]: She's really cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: What about you Solomon?
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think about when we do Bible time together?
[SPEAKER_03]: I love how the way you explain the Bible verses so easy, like you've said, and I love being able to understand them so easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes you kind of want more, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the hunger for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want everybody to know that, um, you know, I just literally read it and talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not a Bible scholar, I am a pastor now, read a Bible church.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm definitely growing a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm studying the word a ton to prepare sermons and things like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was doing this way before that, before I'd ever given a sermon.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just think it's like anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a muscle and the more you work at the stronger and better that muscle becomes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're useful at becomes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so if we want to be useful for God as fathers, as mothers,
[SPEAKER_02]: and we're a little intimidated by maybe reading the scripture and talking about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's just like anything that's new.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just got to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you want your children to remember?
[SPEAKER_02]: when they in your home.
[SPEAKER_02]: The most important thing is an atmosphere that talks about biblical truth.
[SPEAKER_02]: The atmosphere that loves the Lord, there's worshiping the Lord with worshiping music on.
[SPEAKER_02]: An atmosphere where parents are sold out for Christ and surrendered to the Lord.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be imperfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: We make mistakes.
[SPEAKER_02]: They know that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We apologize to them sometimes.
[SPEAKER_02]: That
[SPEAKER_02]: We're a family unit that's really trying to honor and glorify the Lord.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that everybody that leaves their home would would attest to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's not for, hey, look at the Tulpen.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, this is an encouragement for your family.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is an encouragement for your marriage.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is encouragement to be that example for your children.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that they can do things.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are your children gifted in?
[SPEAKER_02]: What are your young, your boys gifted in?
[SPEAKER_02]: And how are you funneling those gifts into service to the Lord?
[SPEAKER_02]: Not just to get money.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, you guys do do things for money.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you don't mind making money.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: You enjoy it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, our podcast editor, so you're at it in the Crazy Parenting Podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Solomon has odd jobs here and there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And for no money, he's taken care of the chickens now.
[SPEAKER_02]: at home, so forth, but there are things he can do, clean a car, things like that, at 10, that he's starting to make some money.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you guys are definitely motivated to make money.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's something, a whole other level when you get a certain award and just see the impact of your service.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think young people need to experience that.
[SPEAKER_02]: The kids are more depressed than ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are wondering if they're valuable.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're wondering if they're useful.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're wondering if they can contribute.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we're all wired and made to contribute and to see our value as a contribution, even in a young age.
[SPEAKER_02]: We need to create opportunities for our children to build a experience like, because it makes them more confident and it draws them closer to the Lord.
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes them actually love the bread of Christ.
[SPEAKER_02]: Versus just checking off a box with the family that we went to the church.
[SPEAKER_02]: But instead, we really get a feeling that we are the church.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think about that?
[SPEAKER_02]: That feeling of being that we are the church together.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's so cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, serving and helping plant the church, just the people that have come and just been so close were like a family, were a body of Christ.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we get a praise the Lord together throughout the day, who we have really important conversations.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just really amazing and it's helped me grow throughout this last year because of just talking with older people because I was serving.
[SPEAKER_04]: If I wasn't serving, I probably wouldn't be having those conversations.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think it's really important for those teenagers out there that are like 15 like me.
[SPEAKER_04]: or even younger, like asking if you can help carry a basket for an older lady to another building.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's, of course, serving to and asking people can I help with this and having important conversations.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: So good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, obviously, being homeschooled and so forth, you guys have had a unique opportunity through homeschooled co-ops and different things like that to mesh with older people, younger people, and to run the race with different ages, do you have any cool memories of maybe in your educational experience of other people outside of the family, helping you pouring
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, my guitar teacher actually, he taught me how to lead the congregation in worship and he's also helped with involving scripture.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's just been really helpful and also of course more older people in the church.
[SPEAKER_04]: They've I've had many good conversations with them.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's really cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: What else do you think is important for parents today to hear, you know, because all of you guys are loving the Lord, chase an after him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what are some things you think you've noticed, Ethan, especially you since you're older, you've noticed that maybe we're doing differently.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think letting your kids share a bit of church is for sure a big win, that is super helpful to grow your kids up in the Lord.
[SPEAKER_04]: I've, like I said this last year, it's been so good, growing wise and just gaining over the Lord more.
[SPEAKER_04]: And encouraging your kids to have conversations with people that they haven't met at church.
[SPEAKER_04]: and having conversations with even like the pastor.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's so cool whenever a little kid comes up to my dad and are asking questions after the service.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's really amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think one of the biggest challenges for parents, you'll probably agree, listening in, that peer influences carry a lot of weight with young people.
[SPEAKER_02]: And oftentimes, that is where things start to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Stray, you see that with colleges, obviously, none of the professors was the peer influences that are turning people away from Christianity in droves.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, with 78% of the children raised in Christian homes leaving the church by J.T.
[SPEAKER_02]: and there's really...
[SPEAKER_02]: You know a challenge happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's even before college.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, despite all the youth programs all the different things going and I'm all for things They're additive like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: They help children As long as we're not separating people too much and we're still cultivating y'all ages to communicate and learn from each other
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, really pure influences can be powerful.
[SPEAKER_02]: How have you been able to stand strong and kind of be a leader?
[SPEAKER_02]: Even a quiet leader, I would say sometimes, but you're a quiet leader about standing for Christ, no matter who you're around.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so maybe you could share an idea about that or a story about that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, um, I think that sports have definitely that's danger sometimes kids going and so like let's say soccer and they're just being other influences from the other kids.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's say they're, um, saying bad words, even like if it's funny but they're using foul language, it is not good.
[SPEAKER_04]: To participate in that in any way into lead other people.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, I don't appreciate it when you talk like that It's I don't that's naughty for my use to hear So you don't talk like that and if they get like let's say a frustrated at you if you do ask them to stop He just say I mean I offend you, but I just really don't like hearing that.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's not that's not God.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, one time, yes, but it was playing a sport and there's this person from college that I was playing with and he got mad because we lost the game.
[SPEAKER_04]: He started cussing and I and I have one of my friends which backed me up and he I said hey, I don't appreciate when you talk like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: and then you kept going and then my friend, he says, yeah, I don't like hearing that either.
[SPEAKER_04]: And when you have that pressure for him to stop, but like in a nice way to correct them, because you still want to be a light.
[SPEAKER_04]: When you have that pressure, it makes some stop and be like, okay, they genuinely do not.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, when I say those words, it's not just them trying to be a
[SPEAKER_04]: There's this religion aspect of being a Christian, and it says in the Bible not to use foul English, crude joking, all that, and that you fusions, five, four, I believe.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's just really important not to anticipate in that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if he was a good, here's a good verse that I wanted to bring in.
[SPEAKER_02]: First Corinthians 16 verse 13 through 14, be watchful Stanford in the faith act like men be strong.
[SPEAKER_02]: that all that you do be done and love.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think what you just talked about is a great example of that, which is your standing firm, you're acting like a biblical man, not, you know, just normal, you know, do whatever you want, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: But being a biblical man, being strong, standing firm in the faith, but you're also verse 14, doing it in love, and how's your relationship still with that person?
[SPEAKER_04]: Great.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's actually he's doing better and he stopped saying bad words actually and he's growing in his walk with the Lord which is really cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean that's such a powerful influence and what an anchor point in your walk with the Lord to see standing firm play out well.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't always play out well.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't appear to you sometimes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it can cause conflict but you know you're doing what you're supposed to do which is really really important.
[SPEAKER_02]: and right here in 1st, 2nd Timothy, 4 of 1st, 2 is his preach, the word be ready and in season and out of season, reproove, rebuk and exhort with complete patients and teaching.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I like that with patients and teaching, showing that we love people but we're standing firm.
[SPEAKER_02]: For the time is coming, when people will not endure sound teaching, but have it in years, they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
[SPEAKER_02]: As for you, always be sober-minded and door-suffering due to the work of food and evangelists fulfill your ministry.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, what do you think about that scripture?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's really amazing to involve that in your conversations with people and leading other people to not do things.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's really important.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I like this one too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Second Timothy has to do with this too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Second Timothy, one son, for God gave us a spirit, not a fear, but a power and love and self-control.
[SPEAKER_02]: Stamp for him in the faith.
[SPEAKER_02]: How does that impact you as your as your coming up?
[SPEAKER_06]: We've been using CTC math for our math curriculum with our kids ranging in ages 10 all the way through senior in high school So I mean you're almost 10 years old.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'm one of the things that I've noticed is all of a sudden you're an independent learner And you you're actually like math now, huh?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's recently when I wake up in the morning I go Okay, we gotta get school out.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's like, oh, I already did it.
[SPEAKER_06]: So so I mean can you tell everybody why you like CTC math?
[SPEAKER_03]: I can just get so much done such a short period of time and it's so much easier than the other maps I've been through and it makes it fun.
[SPEAKER_06]: One of the things that we love about CTC math is that the different elements of learning have been broken down into digestible, learning, increments.
[SPEAKER_06]: They make it easy for kids to go through their lessons, feel like they've conquered it and move on to the next.
[SPEAKER_06]: One of the things that I love as a homeschooling mom is that all of my kids can be independent learners, but then when they get stuck on something, I can sit down with them, easily listen to the lesson with them and just help them navigate if they get stuck.
[SPEAKER_06]: But truthfully, this is one of the first math curriculums that we have used, especially for upper level math, where I haven't had to sit down and work hard with the kids.
[SPEAKER_06]: So if you're interested in figuring out if CTC math works for you and checking it out, go to ctcmath.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: Solomon, have you had any experiences where you've had to you know, stand firm in the faith?
[SPEAKER_03]: There's really a couple.
[SPEAKER_03]: So sometimes when you're playing with friends, we have these rules on our family, and sometimes they don't have those same rules.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's hard to follow those.
[SPEAKER_03]: One time they're actually me to wrestle with them, which one of our rules is only wrestling in the family.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I had to stand firm and say no.
[SPEAKER_02]: that's so good and that's that's just a safety precaution we've put together of you know just not being too physical with people outside of your family and i think that's a wonderful thing this day and age and way to go when a whole bunch of people are doing that for you to exclude yourself nicely from that and just share that my parents don't want me to do that and that's such a good example when at ten year old you're probably a younger when you did that eight or nine
[SPEAKER_02]: seven, seven years old and what an example to say that and it is probably causes them to think about that themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do I obey my parents?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Solomon wants to obey his parents.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good topic right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why do you guys want to obey Mom and I?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's isn't the Bible to honor their father and mother, and that's a very strict amendment in my mind to obey your parents.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I love you guys.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I want to learn from you and I want to obey you because I know what you want for me is right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I love hearing that so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the learn thing, teachable heart is kind of a lost thing today among so many kids, especially as they get into the teenage years.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've absolutely loved the teenage years, and I think one of the reasons is we've really instilled building strong relationships with their kids, but also cultivating a teachable heart.
[SPEAKER_02]: We talk a lot about that in the parenting, mentor program, all things in the parenting program,
[SPEAKER_02]: is so amazing for mergers to go through because if your children go into the teenage years and don't have a teachable heart, no matter whether you homeschool or not, you are pretty quickly not going to become people they want to learn from anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: because the examples around them in most cases are children that don't want to learn from the parents and they're going to go that same direction.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you lose their hearts in that way, see, they'll still love their parents, but they don't want to learn from their parents.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you get there, it's not all lost.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can get it back.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just going to be harder.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's God wants that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pray about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Get wisdom, take the parenting
[SPEAKER_02]: preemptively before that or if you're already in the teenage years and you have an issues take it It will help you massively, but a teachable heart is so important.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why do you?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean you said a couple things was there anything else that has helped you have a teachable heart towards mom or myself?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, like I said before, it's just, I know that you guys know what's, you want what's best for me.
[SPEAKER_04]: So when you think about that, when your parents tell you to do some, whether it's cleaning, the bathrooms, let's say, cleaning the dishes.
[SPEAKER_04]: That is them teaching you worth it and it's really good, and if you have that mindset.
[SPEAKER_04]: They know what's better for me.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're trying to teach me something in this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then it's easier to just obey them and have a teachable heart, especially if they're teaching you the Bible and following scripture in their family.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's really cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think one of the things is you guys have experience of us always teaching you things.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's because we're proactive and mom's so proactive and teaching you those things.
[SPEAKER_02]: all since you were little all the way up she slows down she takes time she reads the books she spends time when there's a discipline issue and really cracks and tries to reach your heart I do as well and you know we're teaching the Bible because of that it's you guys have become a custom to us being your teachers and I think if parents aren't normally teaching if the husband
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not involved in teaching things to the children and it's kind of just providing and tired and not engaged.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be harder motivation for the wife to do it too and I think a marriage needs to be a team and we need to stay as the most important teachers and our children's eyes all the way through and it's so beautiful when you have your children's hearts in that way and they want to learn from you, you're more
[SPEAKER_02]: welcoming of other wonderful teachers pouring into their lives as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not threatening, because we know we have their hearts.
[SPEAKER_02]: We know that they still want to learn from us, even though they're learning over here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we are so excited.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we had a gentleman come over and teach you how to get your first deer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was that.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was not adding the super excited.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was very fun, because you feel like he can go out in the wild and still survive, because you know how to get some food.
[SPEAKER_02]: What a confidence.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's, I've never, I haven't got my first deer yet, but I watched you get your first deer and he was out here hunting with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was working, but then right after you shot the animal, I was home.
[SPEAKER_02]: I came out and was able to celebrate that with you guys and watch you guys, you know, I was learning too as he was teaching you how to cut up the animal and cut up the meat into different sections.
[SPEAKER_04]: get the fur off.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was probably the best part.
[SPEAKER_04]: You'll think it's gross when you first kill your deer, but it's pretty fun because that's like that's your food that you can be eating for like the next three months.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you want to be in a community where your children are learning things where you don't have the knowledge from other people and
[SPEAKER_02]: They're still wanting to learn from you because you're still teaching them other things and there's lots of people teaching You want to be aware they need to be godly good people You see the fruit in their life for a long period of time before you just you know having them teach your kids things But that's why it's so important to be in a community I was just meeting with Drew the other day as he's 19 He's trying to navigate his next steps and things he wants to do for work and all of those things having a vision
[SPEAKER_02]: for his life, which he does in his exciting.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we came up with a lot of different potential areas.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has a lot of interest in, and I was so rejoicing inside because he was able to put names next to each of these things of men that are part of our church, that he has relationship with, that he could go ask and start to learn some of those things.
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, the very next day he went and did that with the gentleman on one of the topics.
[SPEAKER_02]: and was already learning, already on a path with another guy kind of pouring into him, teaching him something.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I just think that this day and age in an AI world were more and more technologies doing things for people, that's gonna hurt that good masculinity in young men.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they need to feel stronger and more capable than ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is imperative that they're growing up strong in the Lord.
[SPEAKER_02]: They feel useful.
[SPEAKER_02]: They feel valuable.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're learning all kinds of things, because we're going to a day where they have to be more resilient than ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so just buckle up for the next five years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything, not everything, but many things are going to change.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of adjustments are going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Most of the jobs of today are going to be gone so you just have to not have fear about that But instead be pouring into your children the things we're teaching them and people around them are teaching right now Aren't necessarily all the things that they're going to be doing in the future But what it is teaching them is how to be resilient how to be resourceful Making them feel capable making them feel strong and they're growing strong in the Lord and I think you don't need to know their certain path because
[SPEAKER_02]: Did anybody know your path?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you know your path or what you're doing now?
[SPEAKER_02]: Very rarely, it's not the case.
[SPEAKER_02]: So these days it's just about character qualities and godliness and trying lots of different things and becoming proficient in many different areas so they're really equipped and ready.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think about all that that I just said?
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Does it scare you?
[SPEAKER_04]: Not really.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm excited for it actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: What makes you excited for a different world?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I can't wait for just back because we've got to heaven.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_04]: Better place, but also like, there's more opportunities to be liked to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, why does that motivate you?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I just want to see what happens and I can't wait to go to the better place I've been like you said yeah, and it may happen in your lifetime, it may not But we're definitely seeing some signs and things like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, it's exciting What an incredible time to be alive and I think that's so important.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad that came up I was in plan to talk about this, but
[SPEAKER_02]: your children need to have a realistic understanding about the world while at the same time being so excited to be alive during these times and not fearful and having courage and confidence because of the Lord and moving strongly forward into their futures with the anticipation of
[SPEAKER_02]: building a family and living to old age, but at the same time, you know, knowing Jesus could come back at any moment, and that balance is so important and too often when parents are talking amongst themselves, and kids are listening, I think that unfortunately kids are getting a message to the parents.
[SPEAKER_02]: unintentionally, or giving them that it could be stirring fear, could be stirring anxiety about their futures, things are talking about the news and things like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just want you to know that they are fully aware, like they know about what's happening in Iran right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: They know what just happened in Venezuela.
[SPEAKER_02]: They know about the Candace Owens and Tucker things going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: They know about things Trump's doing and his administration, they know about ICE, they know about the things that are happening out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm always taking over the Bible.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're always trying to understand and take a biblical perspective on these things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it okay for a nation to have borders?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's actually a biblical thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they're growing up with confidence about these things as they're getting knowledge and I think that's so important You guys find it interesting to know about those things.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, interesting because you can see signs of the end of the world basically Yeah, interesting things go on and but it doesn't cost fear because you're like wow This is exciting.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the time they were made to be alive and to navigate the world
[SPEAKER_02]: And so what a what a beautiful thing in technology.
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys don't have a negative view of technology, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes it depends on your balance.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, there's definitely problem with people like doom scrolling and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is really important to manage you time on apps that you're on and just if you are addicted to it, if you are addicted to scrolling too much, I would say delete that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like
[SPEAKER_04]: Good advice.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because if you get rid of the temptation, then you can't do it anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that everybody listening.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's going to touch because it is, you know, you could just easily start spending too much time looking at different things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything's geared towards, you know, catching your unique eye, the algorithm,
[SPEAKER_02]: is trained by you, the user, to actually get you up more things that you, as an individual, would be enticed by, would like.
[SPEAKER_02]: And these kinds of things, and before you know it, time has slipped away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And before you know it, people are wasting their lives.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're becoming more depressed, they're becoming less useful for God, less useful for their families.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's really good advice for all ages right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad you brought that up.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're on the mindset of not withholding things from our teenagers, but instead letting them have things like Instagram if they want.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you do, because you don't want it yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: but you do have a smartphone and in these things but to train them while they're in our home so that they come up with their own convictions like what Ethan just shared.
[SPEAKER_02]: Under the guidance of parents and wanting our wisdom and so forth, this is such a wholesome, godly ways the way it's meant to be due to or due to autonomy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Six nine talks about always be teaching essentially your children
[SPEAKER_02]: when you do all the things, when you're doing everything, you should be teaching your children.
[SPEAKER_02]: Always be teaching.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's something I learned in the work world too, which was always be teaching.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I found so much more purpose in my work when I was always teaching someone else how to do what I'm doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was able to build a pretty sizable organization back then because of that one thing, I was always teaching
[SPEAKER_02]: what I'm doing to other people and it brought more purpose to me doing it even better because I knew people were watching.
[SPEAKER_02]: What if we did home making that way?
[SPEAKER_02]: What if we did our work that way?
[SPEAKER_02]: What if we did our play that way?
[SPEAKER_02]: What if we did our hospitality that way?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, did you notice how I did this whenever it came over to the house?
[SPEAKER_02]: And did you notice how I prayed for people?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you notice how mom
[SPEAKER_02]: did this and gave people direction and created comfort ability and you know who to go first and how and and did you notice the initiation that your older brother did and getting a game out and engaging people in the game or ball ages?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you notice this?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know having debriefs too after you do things so that they're becoming knowledgeable in all the ways that you do things well and we want to do things well so there are kids learn how to do things well
[SPEAKER_02]: What are your thoughts about that kind of stuff?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I like the debrief part that you said because it's really important for parents like it's helped me so much as being my mom and dad's child, them explaining things to me after going to sermons, after listening to podcasts, let's say, or things that are going on in the world.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's so important to explain to your kids.
[SPEAKER_04]: What's happening?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, what's the scripture mean?
[SPEAKER_04]: So,
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, we're super busy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, taking on the church on top of B. courageous ministry was an undertaking this last year, but we still, and I work a lot of days of the week, but still, we find time.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do we, and it seems like every day we're talking, you know, to each other?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: How does that happen?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you people probably want to know how, being so busy, how do you guys have so many conversations?
[SPEAKER_02]: And how do you guys get so much time together?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, our, how our day literally goes, since we've planted church and stuff is, we'll wake up and then you'll get the Bible out.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you'll read a scripture and then we all have this like really good conversation.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then we'll take that conversation into other things that are happening in our lives.
[SPEAKER_04]: And also like at nighttime, during the time, dinner time talks.
[SPEAKER_04]: Good, just the conversations that you have with your siblings and about things that are happening throughout the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd say the morning is more Bible focused and maybe a little bit about what's happening in the world tied to biblical knowledge and discussion about the day and making sure it knows whatever needs to be known with so many people and then the evenings a little more relaxed.
[SPEAKER_02]: and just chit chatting and people sharing about their days, their challenges, encouraging each other, sometimes correcting each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes, you know, sometimes fixing a system in our house that's going like dishes or something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes it's fun stuff, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: We're just talking about the world, a god theology.
[SPEAKER_02]: What makes you guys want to talk about theology?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, it's just interesting.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like talking about it, just taking in all of the knowledge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did, did you ever, does dad ever not know the answer?
[SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes, that's the answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't always know the answer.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's okay, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what do we do?
[SPEAKER_04]: We look it up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We look it up together.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what does that teach you guys?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you teach us what it means?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not to know the answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And to look it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It kind of cuts through pride because pride hurts learning.
[SPEAKER_02]: the answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: When we don't, now that pride is going to cause us to act like we know the answer when we really don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: And later we're going to feel like a fraud.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you want your kids to feel like a fraud?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want my kids to feel like a fraud.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want them to say yes when they know something and say no when they don't know something and look it up and be learners.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the way we should all be.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we need a model that I also think when you see
[SPEAKER_02]: Mom usually knows it more than I do, but certain things, but
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when we don't know an answer, it models for you how to be in the future, and I think that's good leadership is to go, hey, let's look it up together, let's learn, and it's not be prideful.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really like the culture that it's developing, speaking of culture, you have to create culture in your family.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we just did it did that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We just launched our two initiatives this year, which is, uh, B Resilute,
[SPEAKER_02]: Angie wanted that one and I echoed it she yeah, I was thinking we're trying to come up with something new But be resolute is really what what's needed these days for I think for everybody and Producers versus consumers what do you guys think about that when we bring in these Culture creating culture and these statements and these kinds of things
[SPEAKER_04]: It's really helpful to plan out your future, like starting YouTube channel instead of scrolling on YouTube.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_04]: Just producing your own things, like producing your own music, starting a business.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's way better than scrolling on the internet and just only taking in knowledge, instead of using the things that you know to make things happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, that's good and being resolute which is standing for him the faith being unwavering admirable, but really purposeful, faithful, godly, willing to be unpopular and you know, just not giving in to what culture, not giving in to culture at all, loving other people, yes, but not at the sacrifice of truth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, hey, you know, as you, what are you guys looking forward to this year?
[SPEAKER_04]: writing music.
[SPEAKER_02]: Writing music.
[SPEAKER_04]: Being into that stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: How many songs are you working on right now?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I have I think three or four ideas for songs like half courses and like a melody but I'm working on one at a time so all my ideas can go to one song and then keep going after that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, that song you played yesterday morning before church started and you just go and often riffing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just made it up right then.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The whole spirit just gave you the words.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he started singing confidently top of his voice and it was bluesy, Christian, it was about the Trinity actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the drummer, you know, my son-in-law, just married Megan, he's, you know, he does a lot of things guitar leads, saying he's our worship leader, but he was on drums.
[SPEAKER_02]: picking up speed and Mike, older guy, just started going off.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like a champion, a harmonica player.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got a big Casey Briggs, he opens them up for the keys, and then he just started, I've never heard him play like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you guys were just in the base, and you guys were just going.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a real gift there that you've discovered.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think there's something big.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe Solomon can be your audio guy for the band.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you guys will have your own album, it's just you and Sean and Solomon and some others might be involved.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you got your own music.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's the goal for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the biggest drawback to getting you YouTube channel going?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh well it's putting out my voice actually.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a big deal because I've watched YouTube videos only like how to sing and stuff because I haven't added voice teacher and just learning that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And a lot of the problems that people have is listening to the voice and recordings and then putting you out there.
[SPEAKER_04]: But really, God gave every single person on this planet a unique voice.
[SPEAKER_04]: to praise him with.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's really cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, I just need to think about that and then put in my YouTube channel.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a little fear.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really good all the fear.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, part of the reason you haven't put a video out since your intro video is fear of my voice being out there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fear of your voice being out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why is they're fear about that?
[SPEAKER_04]: because it's different than everyone else's.
[SPEAKER_04]: And if you listen to the professionals out there, they all have really good unique voices.
[SPEAKER_04]: But you want to sound like other people.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's usually what like a lot of people's problems are.
[SPEAKER_04]: And this year has been really good because I've been trying not to sound like other people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Meaning the natural drives.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I want to sound good like them or I want to sound good like them and then if that's your draw Then you're like but wait him at they're already doing it so well like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I could ever do it that well Maybe I shouldn't do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I'm not good enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe my voice isn't needed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's already out there But instead you're shifting to the right way, which is which is trying to use the voice that God gave you that is
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's a powerful lesson whether it's music, whether it's writing, whether it's home-steading, whether it's work, and business, being a wife, being a husband, our families, God has given each of us our unique gifts, our unique voices, our unique talents, our unique families, different sizes, look differently.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we need to embrace what God has given us instead of doom scrolling and looking at what God has created for everybody else.
[SPEAKER_02]: And instead just get busy working on what we're supposed to do with the colleagues we have in our lives and our children are going to see that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're going to see us being fearless and doing things which helps somebody like Ethan as they're coming up with that fear is going to come.
[SPEAKER_02]: to overcome that fear without even a bigger talk.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have an even had a big talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: God has been working through you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've just been patient watching and praying for you and God has been working through you to kind of work that out and overcome and discover that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's really cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you ever get fearful Solomon?
[SPEAKER_02]: yeah sometimes yeah what what makes you fearful well sometimes if like the idea or something there's feedback and sometimes people kind of get me sometimes so then I kind of get fearful that yeah so that's one thing yeah no I mean you know with a couple hundred people at church and you know five to eight people up on stage and you're moving the dials for each of their unique instruments and sometimes things go wrong that aren't
[SPEAKER_02]: year fall even sometimes they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes they aren't.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what I've noticed about Solomon is if it's his fault or if it's not his fault, he takes it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He takes it, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes they're not meaning to be mean, but they're just assertive.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're ten year old.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they're like, hey, what happened with that?
[SPEAKER_02]: It even dad, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Something happens at church.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do I always ask Solomon?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, what happened with Mike there?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or what happened with this?
[SPEAKER_02]: And he tells me, and I go, okay, all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just like talk it about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but you keep going.
[SPEAKER_02]: You keep doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: What makes you keep doing it even though there's some fear there and adults are talking to you about what went right or wrong or I just love serving the Lord You're doing it for the Lord.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's so beautiful and that helps you to overcome that fear helps you overcome those obstacles When we're doing it for ourselves, we're our own worst critics aren't we?
[SPEAKER_02]: And
[SPEAKER_02]: But when we're doing it for the Lord, we're willing to persevere beyond the challenges.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe everybody listening, ask yourself, what are you doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you doing it for yourself?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you doing it for the Lord?
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe you're not following through because you are doing it for yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: God is a wonderful God.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is good gift for us.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wants wonderful things for us.
[SPEAKER_02]: But He wants to be glorified.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if He's not going to be glorified in what we're doing,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he may not get behind it in the same way as if he was going to get glorified.
[SPEAKER_02]: If he could trust you, he knew that you were going to glorify him versus patting yourself on the back for the wonderful job you did.
[SPEAKER_02]: And even if he did a good job, it's nothing compared to if God was involved.
[SPEAKER_02]: How incredibly could be.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I witnessed with you guys playing yesterday morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Whoa, this, my phone, when I felt like I was at a concert, I'm like, this is, I even told them I said, hey, can you just bail on one of the songs you prepared and put that one in for church today?
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, no, and I think they were right because it was, you know, going with the plan that everybody rehearsed is the right thing to do for the team.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was so excited, I was hoping to hear that song.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, maybe everybody will get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is everybody gonna get to hear that someday?
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe here, I'll have to write on paper though.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a came in your head.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's flowed, it was amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I hope you all were helped by having Ethan and Solomon on today.
[SPEAKER_02]: I so appreciate you both just coming on and being willing to talk and give mama break.
[SPEAKER_02]: She needed to break today.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I hope this is edifying play it for your kids.
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