WEBVTT 00:28.330 --> 00:34.908 [SPEAKER_05]: One of today's stories was a request sent in by a listener who was curious to know what had happened to their childhood babysitter. 00:35.409 --> 00:40.703 [SPEAKER_05]: The second case is making local headlines for offering a local council chair to a murderer. 00:40.852 --> 00:47.904 [SPEAKER_05]: So let's get into 2026 with the same damn stories, the same damn outrage, and the same damn themes. 00:48.525 --> 00:53.534 [SPEAKER_05]: Teenaged girls, disposed of like trash, their killers facing the smallest of consequences. 00:54.175 --> 00:58.523 [SPEAKER_05]: Today, I'll be telling you the stories of Robin Jones and Nikki Thrasher. 00:59.718 --> 01:04.509 [SPEAKER_05]: We often ask listeners to write us sometimes with tips, questions, or cases. 01:05.111 --> 01:10.183 [SPEAKER_05]: Friend of the show, Corey, did just that, sending an email that said, Hi, my name is Corey. 01:10.524 --> 01:16.478 [SPEAKER_05]: I grew up in Waldport, Oregon, and when I was a kid, my family babysitter was murdered in Lincoln County in the 90s. 01:16.458 --> 01:17.500 [SPEAKER_05]: her name was Robin. 01:17.880 --> 01:19.703 [SPEAKER_05]: She was around 17 when she was murdered. 01:20.064 --> 01:23.068 [SPEAKER_05]: She lived in Waldport, Oregon, and her mom worked at the post office. 01:23.609 --> 01:26.093 [SPEAKER_05]: I want to find out what happened to her killer and the case. 01:26.473 --> 01:32.362 [SPEAKER_05]: I think it went cold for a while but I was told by my cousin that her killer was caught and it was an ex-boyfriend. 01:32.743 --> 01:38.672 [SPEAKER_05]: There is no information online but I would like to find out what the killer's name was and just more information. 01:39.053 --> 01:40.575 [SPEAKER_05]: Can you help me? 01:40.555 --> 01:48.356 [SPEAKER_05]: When someone asks for help and it just so happens to require one of my few superpowers, such as deep online research, I'm on it. 01:48.637 --> 01:53.029 [SPEAKER_05]: So I got to digging and I found information about Robin and her killer. 01:53.583 --> 01:58.012 [SPEAKER_05]: Robin Sue Johns had a devastatingly short-life book ended by holidays. 01:58.613 --> 02:12.823 [SPEAKER_05]: Born just before Valentine's Day on February 12, 1978, she spent the first nine years of her life in her birthplace of Riverside, California, a city nestled in Southern California between Anaheim to the West and Big Bear to the East. 02:12.803 --> 02:32.027 [SPEAKER_05]: When she was nine robin and her parents and younger brother Robert moved from California to the Oregon Coast, it appears the family started their new lives in Oregon, living in Walgport, a coastal town with a population of just about 2,500, and it lies about 100 highway miles southwest of Oregon's capital, Salem. 02:32.007 --> 02:36.860 [SPEAKER_05]: While attending Waldport High School in the mid-1990s, Robin was a typical teenager. 02:37.181 --> 02:42.376 [SPEAKER_05]: She had friends that she would sometimes journey to Salem with, she earned money by babysitting kids like Cory. 02:42.837 --> 02:47.670 [SPEAKER_05]: By my calculations, she should have graduated high school in the spring of 1996. 02:48.089 --> 02:51.854 [SPEAKER_05]: In November of that year, when Robin was 18 years old, she disappeared. 02:52.194 --> 02:57.621 [SPEAKER_05]: By then, she was living on her own in an apartment half an hour's drive northeast in Toledo, Oregon. 02:58.262 --> 03:02.447 [SPEAKER_05]: Toledo is a special little place, not to be confused with the city in Ohio. 03:02.968 --> 03:13.641 [SPEAKER_05]: Toledo offers an escape from the often brutal coastal winds for coasties, being only a couple of miles inland, Toledo allows you to be at the coast without being rocked by the coast. 03:13.621 --> 03:37.182 [SPEAKER_05]: Toledo is also known for having Victorian homes, a downtown full of boutiques and antique shops, and it has an interesting history, full of colonization, a booming lumber-based economy, which aided the country through World War I, leading to Toledo, being the home of major mills and rail lines before the boom became a crash, which has left the city struggling to relive those successful days ever since. 03:37.162 --> 03:46.575 [SPEAKER_05]: Because of the lack of information available regarding Robin and that her family members have very common names, I don't have details surrounding this time of her life. 03:46.975 --> 03:52.423 [SPEAKER_05]: What is known is that the last time Robin was seen was at a laundromat in Toledo, a November 10th. 03:52.923 --> 04:00.233 [SPEAKER_05]: After that day, she fell out of contact with her friends and family, a concern as it was unheard of behavior for Robin. 04:00.213 --> 04:10.203 [SPEAKER_05]: I suppose we can ring a hesitant, good police bell as Robin's apartment was searched by detectives looking for evidence of foul play, none of which was found. 04:10.843 --> 04:15.748 [SPEAKER_05]: Asking the public for help and searching for Robin didn't hit the papers until December 3rd. 04:16.309 --> 04:26.018 [SPEAKER_05]: A missing person's report was made on November 11th, though it's not clear how long after that detectives ended up searching her 04:26.453 --> 04:35.989 [SPEAKER_05]: On the third police shared how Robin's family was worried about her, that it appeared by the state of her apartment she had not planned on leaving and had merely, quote, stepped out. 04:36.389 --> 04:42.319 [SPEAKER_05]: They also shared that Robin and a group of friends had traveled to Salem around the time that she was last seen. 04:42.840 --> 04:46.386 [SPEAKER_05]: They also speculated she may have made a trip back down to Waldport. 04:46.720 --> 04:51.608 [SPEAKER_05]: With all of the information they had, the police said, quote, there's no evidence of foul play. 04:51.809 --> 04:59.282 [SPEAKER_05]: We have every reason to believe that she is fine, that she is just not in the area, but she's not choosing to let her presence be known. 05:00.444 --> 05:06.534 [SPEAKER_05]: Sure, it's possible that she was maybe in an unsafe relationship, and she was trying to escape from it. 05:07.035 --> 05:10.922 [SPEAKER_05]: But to say you have every reason to believe she's okay, 05:10.902 --> 05:17.030 [SPEAKER_05]: What is that based on that her loved ones are worried and searching that she left things behind in her home? 05:18.012 --> 05:20.936 [SPEAKER_05]: So that's why the bell is minimal. 05:20.956 --> 05:22.458 [SPEAKER_05]: I think not wanting to do work. 05:23.038 --> 05:23.499 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, right. 05:23.519 --> 05:25.422 [SPEAKER_05]: I always forget that part. 05:25.442 --> 05:29.427 [SPEAKER_05]: Why do a public announcement saying we need your help and any information? 05:29.487 --> 05:31.890 [SPEAKER_05]: But also we know she's fine, so don't worry about it. 05:32.271 --> 05:33.713 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to take the bell back. 05:33.733 --> 05:34.133 [UNKNOWN]: Okay. 05:35.575 --> 05:36.697 [SPEAKER_03]: We give it a take of the way. 05:36.717 --> 05:37.137 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right. 05:37.398 --> 05:39.120 [SPEAKER_03]: We are cruel, God's. 05:41.125 --> 05:43.305 [SPEAKER_05]: We are not to be trifled with. 05:43.690 --> 05:49.055 [SPEAKER_05]: As detectives assured everyone Robin was fine, those who knew and missed her were out searching. 05:49.435 --> 05:53.279 [SPEAKER_05]: Postures were strewn about town, which led to about a dozen dead and leads. 05:53.840 --> 06:01.907 [SPEAKER_05]: Some people called to report sightings, and according to those callers, Robin had been seen in Lincoln City, Salem, Eugene, and Yahats. 06:01.927 --> 06:08.133 [SPEAKER_05]: The plea for public help was becoming oxymoronic, given the casual nature of the concern in the press release. 06:08.794 --> 06:13.258 [SPEAKER_05]: So, she's fine and you're not worried, but you also want to help. 06:13.238 --> 06:16.033 [SPEAKER_03]: Can you remind me again just real quick how did she just disappear? 06:16.073 --> 06:16.737 [SPEAKER_03]: She was just gone. 06:16.757 --> 06:19.935 [SPEAKER_05]: She was at a laundromat on November 10th and that was that. 06:20.136 --> 06:20.397 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 06:21.018 --> 06:26.705 [SPEAKER_05]: At the time, Robin was listed as being 5 foot 3 and 115 pounds, with blue eyes and blonde hair. 06:27.166 --> 06:38.420 [SPEAKER_05]: Her loved ones tried as best they could to locate her, and at 1.30 pm on Sunday, December 22, 10 miles south of Toledo, a search team hoping to find evidence instead found a body. 06:39.001 --> 06:49.995 [SPEAKER_05]: About six weeks after she was last seen, a body believed to be that of Robin was located in a concrete structure covered with debris, not far from an automobile salvage business on a logging road. 06:49.975 --> 06:57.168 [SPEAKER_05]: While technically the team was assuming it was her body, the remains they had found were outside in the elements for over a month. 06:57.729 --> 07:08.729 [SPEAKER_05]: While the scene where the body was recovered was treated as a homicide, during a Christmas Eve autopsy, Robin sued John's body was positively identified and her cause of death was exphyxiation. 07:09.410 --> 07:14.599 [SPEAKER_05]: So maybe the authorities shouldn't have felt that they had every reason to think she was okay. 07:15.642 --> 07:27.199 [SPEAKER_05]: While those who cared for Robin anxiously awaited to hear if the recovered body was in fact her, they didn't know that on the Monday after she had been located, a man had already been arrested for her murder. 07:27.700 --> 07:32.487 [SPEAKER_05]: That man was Richard Russell Meyer, the owner of the auto salvage yard. 07:32.467 --> 07:37.692 [SPEAKER_05]: Richard Meyer first appeared in newspapers in 1985 when he was getting busted for a DUI. 07:38.152 --> 07:40.974 [SPEAKER_05]: He was back in the paper after being arrested for Robin's murder. 07:41.475 --> 07:51.744 [SPEAKER_05]: The announcements didn't say much as to the circumstances of the arrest or how Robin was killed, but they did mention that where Robin's body was located was very near Richard's trailer. 07:52.384 --> 07:58.830 [SPEAKER_05]: Because Robin's body had been located near or possibly even on the property owned by Richard, he was interviewed by detectives. 07:59.290 --> 08:02.473 [SPEAKER_05]: During that interview, Richard confessed to killing Robin. 08:02.453 --> 08:10.280 [SPEAKER_05]: The following fall 31-year-old Richard Meier was set to go to trial for the murder of Robin after pleading not guilty that spring. 08:10.760 --> 08:15.605 [SPEAKER_05]: During the prosecution's opening statements, the grim details surrounding Robin's death came to light. 08:16.225 --> 08:23.132 [SPEAKER_05]: According to witnesses and the prosecution, Richard had been going around town bragging about having had sex with teenage Robin. 08:23.632 --> 08:32.460 [SPEAKER_05]: When she got rid of this, she confronted him publicly, which reportedly caused him embarrassment, 08:32.440 --> 08:45.095 [SPEAKER_05]: His plan for exacting revenge involved a way to somehow lure Robin to his trailer, he was also very proud and vocal about his thoughts of selling Robin and his own ex-wife into sexual slavery. 08:45.676 --> 08:54.887 [SPEAKER_05]: November 10, the last day that Robin was seen alive, was also Richard's birthday, and he gladly admitted that she had been a gift to himself. 08:55.525 --> 09:02.079 [SPEAKER_05]: For Richard's defense, his lawyer admitted that, yes, by Richard's hand, Robin passed away, but it was not murder. 09:02.520 --> 09:10.817 [SPEAKER_05]: They were engaging in consensual sexual intercourse, paired with auto-erotic exoecation, and her death was an unfortunate accident. 09:10.797 --> 09:31.624 [SPEAKER_05]: According to the Practical Guide to Forensic Psychotherapy 1997, auto-erotic esphyxia is defined as a parafilia or sexual perversion with a compulsive desire for a state of oxygen deficiency and or strangulation to enhance sexual erotic arousal and orgasm in a solitary auto-erotic activity. 09:31.604 --> 09:40.858 [SPEAKER_05]: In the literature, there is little about live practitioners who it is believed die sooner or later due to loss of control when organized safety mechanisms fail. 09:41.399 --> 09:54.979 [SPEAKER_05]: For example, my first thought when reading about that was the actor David Caradine, who died from an auto-erotic exphyxiation accident when he fell unconscious while using a curtain cord to restrict his breathing and the blood flow to his genitals. 09:54.959 --> 10:03.760 [SPEAKER_05]: Breath play is believed to be part of five to 10% of adults' sexual play, which leads to an approximate 250 deaths in the United States per year. 10:03.780 --> 10:05.745 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I know, right? 10:05.765 --> 10:06.627 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, surprise! 10:06.647 --> 10:10.015 [SPEAKER_03]: Easy, throttle back a little bit, everybody! 10:10.265 --> 10:12.589 [SPEAKER_03]: We know it feels good, show out. 10:12.689 --> 10:21.284 [SPEAKER_05]: It's one thing to be bust around and pinder something like that, but let's let's not lose consciousness. 10:21.444 --> 10:23.468 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's not forget about the play aspect. 10:23.488 --> 10:24.630 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 10:24.650 --> 10:29.117 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, in a big portion of the deaths are caused by drugs and alcohol. 10:29.698 --> 10:34.146 [SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, so you get too high or too drunk and maybe you can't measure. 10:34.126 --> 10:35.108 [SPEAKER_05]: things as well. 10:35.709 --> 10:38.835 [SPEAKER_05]: And also the secrecy, which is associated with autorotic play. 10:38.915 --> 10:42.902 [SPEAKER_05]: So, those reasons tend to lead to accidental deaths. 10:42.922 --> 10:43.624 [SPEAKER_05]: You need a spotter. 10:44.145 --> 10:52.540 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's because of all of those factors surrounding breath play that it can be difficult for an autopsy to prove if something was an accident or not. 10:52.520 --> 11:00.831 [SPEAKER_05]: This play is also something that can be done with a partner known as erotic esphyxiation or breath control play, which is what Richard was claiming. 11:01.111 --> 11:13.768 [SPEAKER_05]: That he had been drinking heavily, celebrating his birthday, then while Robin and himself were having sex, they both agreed to her being strangled for pleasure, and he just got carried away before he knew it, Robin was dead. 11:13.748 --> 11:20.497 [SPEAKER_05]: The problem with that story was that after Robin was supposedly accidentally killed, Richard disposed of her body. 11:20.977 --> 11:25.643 [SPEAKER_05]: He didn't try to help her, he didn't call for medics, or even just leave her somewhere to be found. 11:26.064 --> 11:29.789 [SPEAKER_05]: He disposed of her like she was trash and left her loved ones searching for her. 11:30.490 --> 11:32.352 [SPEAKER_05]: That was the focus for the prosecution. 11:32.793 --> 11:42.405 [SPEAKER_05]: They had multiple witnesses, one who even claimed that they had been paid by Richard to bring Robin to his trailer 11:42.385 --> 11:50.337 [SPEAKER_05]: An issue the jury was focusing on was the force, did Robin go to Richard's trailer on her own accord or what she taken against her will? 11:50.858 --> 12:00.112 [SPEAKER_05]: She didn't have any bruising on her body, although the state claimed that once Robin was taken to Richard's home, her arms were bound with duct tape and he outright strangled her. 12:00.673 --> 12:05.220 [SPEAKER_05]: The jury would have to sort out was this an accident or was it purposeful? 12:05.200 --> 12:14.921 [SPEAKER_05]: The jury heard testimony from witnesses and experts for about a week, and on Monday, October 13, they deliberated for about an hour before returning with a guilty verdict. 12:15.341 --> 12:21.775 [SPEAKER_05]: The most damning evidence was the testimony regarding Richard's desire for the petite teen to be his present. 12:22.430 --> 12:30.541 [SPEAKER_05]: And the other part of that, if I'm a jury member, I'm going even if you're drunk, it takes several minutes to strangle someone to death. 12:31.843 --> 12:37.151 [SPEAKER_05]: So as soon as she loses consciousness, if you would let go, she probably would have been okay. 12:38.052 --> 12:51.711 [SPEAKER_05]: And we do get a good judge bell here for Judge Little Hales, who urged the jury not only to not dwell on the dark details of the case, 12:52.012 --> 12:52.937 [SPEAKER_05]: What? 12:53.299 --> 12:53.460 [SPEAKER_05]: What? 12:53.721 --> 12:54.485 [SPEAKER_05]: I know, can you believe it? 12:54.586 --> 12:54.847 [SPEAKER_05]: No. 12:54.867 --> 12:55.873 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm passionate. 12:56.134 --> 12:56.496 [SPEAKER_05]: Right? 12:56.637 --> 12:57.803 [SPEAKER_05]: No. 12:58.610 --> 12:59.111 [SPEAKER_05]: thoughtful. 12:59.612 --> 13:10.449 [SPEAKER_05]: And on top of that, he then sentenced Richard Russell Meyer to 25 years in prison without the possibility of parole, and once released Richard would be on post-prison supervision for life. 13:11.190 --> 13:17.881 [SPEAKER_05]: On December 23rd, 2021, Richard Russell Meyer was released after having served his 25-year sentence. 13:18.341 --> 13:24.972 [SPEAKER_05]: It appears he lives in Newport, Oregon after having served his time, but will 13:24.952 --> 13:27.239 [SPEAKER_05]: He gets to start his life outside of prison. 13:27.901 --> 13:28.623 [SPEAKER_05]: Robin doesn't. 13:29.485 --> 13:30.629 [SPEAKER_05]: It's a bit of a gray area. 13:31.130 --> 13:33.076 [SPEAKER_05]: Or he gets to not a gray area, but it feels like one. 13:33.718 --> 13:35.102 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, is that enough time? 13:35.122 --> 13:37.088 [SPEAKER_05]: 25 years is a long time. 13:37.169 --> 13:39.212 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if there's any way to really quantify that. 13:39.452 --> 13:39.953 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 13:39.973 --> 13:40.594 [SPEAKER_03]: Who can say? 13:40.634 --> 13:41.795 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we not me. 13:42.176 --> 13:53.010 [SPEAKER_05]: And according to our rights and our justice system and our expectation, you do the crime, you serve the time, and then you're supposed to be given kind of a blank. 13:53.030 --> 13:53.271 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 13:53.491 --> 13:53.711 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 13:54.112 --> 13:54.733 [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry for interrupting. 13:54.793 --> 13:56.595 [SPEAKER_05]: No, that's that was a much better way of saying it. 13:57.233 --> 14:15.613 [SPEAKER_05]: So it should be that should be making everything square, but it's that's just but doesn't make it square no only as far as checking boxes he fulfilled his obligation to the state so I do have a little bit of a mystery surrounding Robin's death or maybe it's just a mystery in that it's not public knowledge 14:15.593 --> 14:31.408 [SPEAKER_05]: Robin's headstone, which is beautifully adorned with a white picket fence, a brown horse, Robin's high school photo, and hearts, contains not just Robin's name, but under hers it reads, though not yet born, her baby, angel. 14:32.097 --> 14:50.781 [SPEAKER_05]: This headstone is the only mention anywhere regarding Robin having possibly been pregnant at the time of her murder, nowhere in any public report that I read about the arrest, the trial or the autopsy is a pregnancy mentioned, which you would think it would have been talked about as maybe an aggravated circumstance or something. 14:50.761 --> 14:56.507 [SPEAKER_05]: And as we know, a pregnant woman is in far more danger of being harmed or murdered than one who isn't. 14:57.168 --> 15:00.792 [SPEAKER_05]: So did that also have something to do with her murder as well? 15:01.252 --> 15:06.237 [SPEAKER_05]: Did she have sex like Richard claimed that they have sex together? 15:06.358 --> 15:07.499 [SPEAKER_05]: Did she get pregnant from him? 15:07.559 --> 15:10.362 [SPEAKER_05]: And then that's what the confrontation was about. 15:10.502 --> 15:13.285 [SPEAKER_05]: And he wanted to not deal with the baby, which is why he hit her. 15:13.765 --> 15:16.308 [SPEAKER_05]: But then why was it not part of the sentence or the trial? 15:16.949 --> 15:19.992 [SPEAKER_05]: But it's on this headstone. 15:20.917 --> 15:30.109 [SPEAKER_05]: So if anyone from Robin's family hears this and you would like to talk or share details about who Robin was, please reach out to us at murder and the rain at gmail.com. 15:30.530 --> 15:43.327 [SPEAKER_05]: I was happy to help Corey get the answers as to what happened to his babysitter, but I would love to hear more about who Robin was as a teenager as she was blossoming into a young woman and starting her independent life, all before it was taken from her. 15:43.627 --> 15:49.675 [SPEAKER_05]: So if you knew Robin or you have any details you want to share, please feel free to reach out. 15:53.013 --> 16:02.429 [SPEAKER_00]: Before his commutation, by former Oregon Governor Kate Brown in 2022, he was serving a life sentence for the murder of 19-year-old Nikki Thrasher. 16:03.070 --> 16:07.117 [SPEAKER_00]: He shot her in the back of the head, leaving her body in rural Douglas County. 16:07.798 --> 16:15.932 [SPEAKER_00]: It's an unthinkable crime, one he eventually confessed to just days after. 16:16.047 --> 16:25.682 [SPEAKER_00]: 2 years ago, in the midst of re-learning how to live outside of prison, HeadQuist was elected by the Salem City Council to serve as a volunteer on a police oversight group. 16:26.343 --> 16:28.266 [SPEAKER_08]: I have been on right along. 16:28.626 --> 16:31.992 [SPEAKER_08]: I have interacted with the police department on multiple occasions. 16:32.152 --> 16:33.153 [SPEAKER_08]: I've been to briefings. 16:34.716 --> 16:36.098 [SPEAKER_08]: There's never been a problem. 16:36.078 --> 16:38.163 [SPEAKER_00]: last month, the council reelected him. 16:38.705 --> 16:44.941 [SPEAKER_00]: He also recently joined the civil service commission, which essentially oversees the work of local fire departments. 16:45.502 --> 16:48.831 [SPEAKER_00]: But these recent appointments do not sit well with everyone. 16:49.132 --> 16:51.117 [SPEAKER_01]: I have been a prosecutor of my entire careers. 16:51.097 --> 16:54.744 [SPEAKER_00]: Among the most vocal, Marion County District Attorney Paige Clarkson. 16:55.305 --> 16:58.631 [SPEAKER_00]: For years, she's been pushing for headquest to be removed from his roles. 16:59.232 --> 17:06.726 [SPEAKER_00]: Ever since he was released from prison, along with his appointment to the police oversight group in 2023. 17:06.706 --> 17:13.194 [SPEAKER_01]: make him an inappropriate person to oversee anything that police officers do. 17:13.374 --> 17:21.785 [SPEAKER_01]: There are things that we do in our past that are going to make us in eligible unqualified or inappropriate to do things on our future. 17:22.185 --> 17:29.134 [SPEAKER_00]: While DA Clarks and believes people can change, she also thinks there's a fine line that shouldn't be crossed in cases like this. 17:29.835 --> 17:32.258 [SPEAKER_01]: It's also about victims. 17:32.457 --> 17:35.883 [SPEAKER_01]: and it's also drawing a line for victims and victims' families. 17:36.183 --> 17:38.647 [SPEAKER_00]: As the future of his positions hangs in the balance. 17:39.188 --> 17:41.271 [SPEAKER_00]: All head quests can do is be patient. 17:41.612 --> 17:46.259 [SPEAKER_08]: They most certainly can take me off of every panel if they so choose. 17:46.800 --> 17:50.887 [SPEAKER_00]: Something he learned during his more than a quarter of a century behind bars. 17:51.548 --> 17:54.272 [SPEAKER_00]: And at the end of the day, I just want to be a better person. 17:54.853 --> 17:57.958 [SPEAKER_08]: And I believe that this city wants to be better. 17:58.478 --> 18:01.803 [SPEAKER_05]: 1999 was a bit of a turbulent time for Oregon. 18:02.083 --> 18:04.066 [SPEAKER_05]: The world was bracing for Y2K. 18:04.106 --> 18:17.726 [SPEAKER_05]: In February of that year, we Oregonians and eco-conscious folks everywhere, watched as the ship, the new Carissa ran a ground in Ku's Bay, Oregon, eventually leaking 70,000 gallons of fuel and oil into the ocean. 18:18.387 --> 18:19.609 [SPEAKER_05]: That really was a fun one. 18:19.589 --> 18:29.930 [SPEAKER_05]: because as we watched the ship try to get pulled back into sea and they were burning the spillage all of those attempts actually caused more damage to the ship leading to more leakage. 18:30.471 --> 18:38.948 [SPEAKER_05]: It wouldn't be until early March that a torpedo took out the bow and the remains of the ship would be an eye and garbage sore all the way until 2008. 18:39.856 --> 18:50.594 [SPEAKER_05]: Also in 1999, Kip Kinkle, the notorious school shooter and Committer of Paraside, was sentenced to 111 years for the killings of his parents and two students at Thurston High School. 18:51.055 --> 18:57.807 [SPEAKER_05]: His sentencing brought up other cases of young men who had killed, and whether their life sentences were appropriate for their actions. 18:58.368 --> 19:05.560 [SPEAKER_05]: The man on the cover of the paper from that time, crying about forgiveness and life behind bars, is the focus of this next case. 19:06.316 --> 19:12.064 [SPEAKER_05]: Though times have changed a bit since the pre-smart phone era of 99, the story remains the same. 19:12.625 --> 19:18.353 [SPEAKER_05]: Much like the last story I told, this case involves a self-serving man and a young woman he felt was disposable. 19:18.974 --> 19:24.983 [SPEAKER_05]: Later, I'll get into the newest developments connected to this case and why the convicted killer is back in the news. 19:24.963 --> 19:28.647 [SPEAKER_05]: Winston is a small town in mid-Southern Oregon. 19:29.127 --> 19:33.032 [SPEAKER_05]: It's best known for being the home of the roadside animal safari, yikes. 19:33.612 --> 19:38.738 [SPEAKER_05]: And as a town, you would unknowingly pass it on the five going south, just past Roseburg. 19:39.358 --> 19:42.482 [SPEAKER_05]: Winston was also the home of Nikki Renee Thrasher. 19:43.042 --> 19:44.904 [SPEAKER_05]: Very little is available about Nikki. 19:45.145 --> 19:52.152 [SPEAKER_05]: So again, if anyone knew her or is a family member and you would like to share about her, please do not hesitate to reach out. 19:52.132 --> 19:58.420 [SPEAKER_05]: What I do know is that while Nikki attended Roseburg High School in the early 90s, she was the queen of the yearbook. 19:58.780 --> 20:06.150 [SPEAKER_05]: Not just because in her 1991 photo, she was wearing bitch and Michael Caine-sized glasses and had equally bitch and crimped hair. 20:06.711 --> 20:10.836 [SPEAKER_05]: But in her later years, she wrote many of the articles that would be featured in the book. 20:11.457 --> 20:18.105 [SPEAKER_05]: For this episode, I'll just give a synopsis of each one, but over on Patreon, you'll be able to hear the entire articles. 20:18.085 --> 20:25.137 [SPEAKER_05]: Articles like 1992's style of a generation were Nikki explored the stereotypes and freedoms related to clothing. 20:25.998 --> 20:29.123 [SPEAKER_05]: Forking it out discussed the financial pains of growing up. 20:29.904 --> 20:34.572 [SPEAKER_05]: She wrote about the now precious time capsule idea of passing the time of day. 20:34.612 --> 20:39.460 [SPEAKER_05]: And she shared details of the national honor society with serving the community. 20:40.542 --> 20:44.869 [SPEAKER_05]: Nikki not only worked on these articles but was a member of the 20:46.132 --> 20:54.072 [SPEAKER_05]: There is another accidental theme in today's stories as they all kind of hover around holidays, with Nikki being born on St. Patrick's Day 1975. 20:54.834 --> 21:03.094 [SPEAKER_05]: At some point her family, or perhaps she was just with her father, Cliff Thrasher, when she relocated to the Roseburg area. 21:03.074 --> 21:06.039 [SPEAKER_05]: After high school, she got a job working as a motel clerk. 21:06.580 --> 21:12.069 [SPEAKER_05]: Now, 19 Niki was known by her boss Greg Bruno, for being, quote, real sweet, real friendly. 21:12.190 --> 21:15.115 [SPEAKER_05]: She acted like someone much older than a typical 19-year-old. 21:15.716 --> 21:19.021 [SPEAKER_05]: In October 1994, Niki called the police to report a break-in. 21:19.542 --> 21:26.314 [SPEAKER_05]: According to police, Niki reported that a man was dressed entirely in black when he broke into her apartment while she was home. 21:26.294 --> 21:31.881 [SPEAKER_05]: The man, according to Nikki, then shoved her around and threatened her life, should she stay in town. 21:31.921 --> 21:34.644 [SPEAKER_05]: Nikki told her boss Greg about the incident. 21:35.064 --> 21:39.790 [SPEAKER_05]: He recounted the event saying, he threw her around some, but she wasn't hurt, just scared. 21:40.131 --> 21:42.994 [SPEAKER_05]: She had no idea who it was, but it scared the heck out of her. 21:43.595 --> 21:46.118 [SPEAKER_05]: The man took some items from Nikki's apartment and left. 21:46.498 --> 21:48.100 [SPEAKER_05]: That was when she filed the police report. 21:48.772 --> 21:55.109 [SPEAKER_05]: Greg wouldn't have an issue with his employee until late November when Nikki failed to show up to work two days in a row. 21:55.150 --> 22:01.948 [SPEAKER_05]: After missing her Saturday the 26th and Sunday the 27th shifts at the motel, Greg grew concerned for Nikki. 22:02.309 --> 22:04.435 [SPEAKER_05]: She was never one to miss work. 22:04.415 --> 22:15.452 [SPEAKER_05]: It's unclear if a missing person's report was ever made regarding Nikki, but Greg wouldn't have to worry about her whereabouts for long, as a dreadful discovery had been made at 1.30 the afternoon of the 27th. 22:15.892 --> 22:23.464 [SPEAKER_05]: A man writing horseback through the rural area of Flournoi Valley in Douglas County came upon the body of a young woman on a gravel road. 22:23.904 --> 22:27.790 [SPEAKER_05]: The writer was able to flag down a hunter, who then called for help. 22:27.770 --> 22:31.477 [SPEAKER_05]: Authorities arrived and found that the young woman had been dead for several days. 22:31.937 --> 22:40.072 [SPEAKER_05]: An autopsy would show the cause of death had been an execution-style 22 caliber gunshot wound to the back of the head, and she had been dead since Friday the 25th. 22:40.232 --> 22:44.580 [SPEAKER_05]: It was indeed the body of 19-year-old Nikki Thrasher. 22:45.522 --> 22:51.709 [SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, with an open burglary case from just a month prior, police looked into the incident involving the man in black. 22:52.230 --> 23:02.201 [SPEAKER_05]: Due to details not shared with the public, the police announced just three days after Nikki was found murdered that they were not following the burglary route as the story didn't make sense. 23:02.842 --> 23:11.732 [SPEAKER_05]: According to Captain Robert Stratton of Douglas County Sheriff's Office, they spoke with friends and family of Nikki and felt the report might have been illegitimate. 23:11.712 --> 23:20.363 [SPEAKER_05]: Robert wanted to be tactful while this counting Nicky's report saying quote, when things don't die with what you know is reality, there's probably something wrong. 23:20.803 --> 23:27.331 [SPEAKER_05]: After talking with people who knew her, there's a high probability that it wasn't a valid report, but more of an attention getter. 23:27.972 --> 23:32.117 [SPEAKER_05]: Reminds me of, yes we're asking for help, but everything seems fine. 23:32.249 --> 23:33.430 [SPEAKER_03]: strange the parallels. 23:34.031 --> 23:37.475 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I guess the common factor is the police. 23:38.436 --> 23:39.257 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 23:39.277 --> 23:41.740 [SPEAKER_03]: So, not so strange after all. 23:42.121 --> 23:42.341 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 23:42.842 --> 23:46.566 [SPEAKER_05]: Later teen girl murdered by older man, police. 23:47.187 --> 23:53.835 [SPEAKER_05]: Not sure what to do. 23:55.975 --> 24:03.350 [SPEAKER_05]: If you've ever visited our blog at 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praise her maturity and sound pretty chill about her story. 25:44.075 --> 25:53.513 [SPEAKER_05]: He wasn't detailing it saying that she was freaking out and she went on and on about the 25:53.493 --> 25:56.116 [SPEAKER_05]: Starting from scratch, police had a few facts. 25:56.456 --> 26:00.521 [SPEAKER_05]: Nikki was last seen in the Winston area walking down the street on Friday afternoon. 26:01.042 --> 26:06.228 [SPEAKER_05]: It was clear, Nikki had been killed elsewhere, and her body had been dumped on the country road where she was found. 26:06.668 --> 26:15.298 [SPEAKER_05]: For one, Nikki's designer, blue jeans, and gray, George Town sweatshirt, and white Nike air tennis shoes were clean, but the area she was in was muddy. 26:15.278 --> 26:20.466 [SPEAKER_05]: While the Berklery Nikki had reported was being dismissed, another robbery would lead to an arrest. 26:20.967 --> 26:27.717 [SPEAKER_05]: On October 9, almost two months before Nikki was murdered, a pizza-hot in Roseburg was robbed of $3,000 at gunpoint. 26:28.258 --> 26:43.041 [SPEAKER_05]: Evidence along the way, be it from the murder or the robbery, pointed police in the direction of Roseburg High School senior football player and state-level postholder for the future family and community leaders organization, 18-year-old 26:43.021 --> 26:52.473 [SPEAKER_05]: As Kyle was being interviewed, it was pieced together that he and Nicky's roommate's boyfriend, Jonathan Twain Timmins, had been the mass robbers of the pizza hut. 26:52.954 --> 27:00.264 [SPEAKER_05]: It's possible based on the puzzle pieces I'm trying to put together that Jonathan and Kyle were brought in to be questioned about a different robbery. 27:00.904 --> 27:05.130 [SPEAKER_05]: Still not the one that may or may not have taken place at Nicky's apartment. 27:05.110 --> 27:05.751 [SPEAKER_05]: That makes sense. 27:06.051 --> 27:06.272 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 27:06.472 --> 27:11.980 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so these guys are out Robin, maybe something else, maybe the pizza hut, but the cops are on to them. 27:12.000 --> 27:14.023 [SPEAKER_05]: They're like, get in here and talk to us about this. 27:14.965 --> 27:22.456 [SPEAKER_05]: That same day, Kyle Blaine headquest was held without bail and charged with aggravated homicide for the shooting death of Nikki Thrasher. 27:23.096 --> 27:25.039 [SPEAKER_05]: Why an aggravated charge you ask? 27:25.480 --> 27:32.991 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, that's because, as Kyle confessed to killing Nikki, he also explained his reasoning and it was all to cover up his other crimes. 27:34.220 --> 27:41.628 [SPEAKER_05]: Growing up, Kyle says his home was an abusive one, and when he was 14, his parents split up, and he wound up living with his grandparents in Roseburg. 27:42.109 --> 27:54.742 [SPEAKER_05]: There seems to have been some distance between Kyle and his father Rick, who said of Kyle, his son, to a newspaper, quote, I knew him as a pretty nice guy who was generally pretty good natured. 27:55.623 --> 27:56.885 [SPEAKER_05]: So dad was not in the picture. 27:57.585 --> 27:59.147 [SPEAKER_05]: Can you believe? 27:59.127 --> 28:06.643 [SPEAKER_03]: I would be very weird if my own father described me in such a way when someone he'd maybe seen on TV once. 28:07.505 --> 28:10.852 [SPEAKER_05]: Kyle had big dreams and they were not about being a criminal. 28:11.353 --> 28:16.223 [SPEAKER_05]: Everyone knew that his goal after high school was to become Josh, do you care to guess? 28:16.624 --> 28:17.305 [SPEAKER_05]: A police officer. 28:17.325 --> 28:18.348 [SPEAKER_05]: That is correct. 28:18.448 --> 28:19.009 [SPEAKER_05]: Wow. 28:19.597 --> 28:27.667 [SPEAKER_05]: He was like myself once a member of the Police Department Explorer program where he did write-alongs and you do things like assist the police department. 28:27.707 --> 28:30.270 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I'm so sorry that that was me. 28:30.290 --> 28:31.552 [SPEAKER_03]: That was just me. 28:31.592 --> 28:35.077 [SPEAKER_03]: This has nothing to do with him trying to do good work. 28:35.137 --> 28:38.200 [SPEAKER_03]: He just wants what he wanted, which is to be like a cop. 28:38.481 --> 28:38.681 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 28:39.162 --> 28:41.324 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'm cool. 28:41.425 --> 28:42.366 [SPEAKER_03]: It gets worse. 28:42.386 --> 28:43.427 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure it does. 28:44.555 --> 28:45.116 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 28:45.136 --> 28:46.357 [SPEAKER_03]: You wanted to be a police officer. 28:46.397 --> 28:47.478 [SPEAKER_03]: This is not shocking. 28:47.798 --> 29:00.730 [SPEAKER_05]: So with the Police Department Explorer programs, you do kind of the lowest in police work, like remedial tasks, like crowd controls, security and events, those were things I did. 29:00.770 --> 29:05.214 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's kind of like, oh, hey, we've got extra kids that can go do stuff. 29:05.234 --> 29:07.456 [SPEAKER_05]: That's like basically security level. 29:08.336 --> 29:14.562 [SPEAKER_05]: And this was all part of his training for his future career in law enforcement and post high school enlistment in the 29:14.542 --> 29:22.413 [SPEAKER_05]: After his arrest, Kyle's shocked and recounted a story in which she and her husband had called the police when their motorcycle had been stolen. 29:22.813 --> 29:26.719 [SPEAKER_05]: And she was delighted to see her uniformed nephew step out of the police cruiser. 29:27.360 --> 29:35.571 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not sure if this was the same aunt whose house Kyle and company would eventually end up robbing, but she probably wasn't as delighted when that happened. 29:36.142 --> 29:40.509 [SPEAKER_05]: It was that second known robbery of the ant that had Kyle brought into the station. 29:40.910 --> 29:44.856 [SPEAKER_05]: And it was that robbery that according to Kyle led to Nikki being killed. 29:45.357 --> 29:57.516 [SPEAKER_05]: He explained his actions by saying that after he and probably possibly Jonathan burgled Kyle's ant's home, he was suddenly in possession of many items and cash that he could not explain. 29:58.137 --> 30:03.465 [SPEAKER_05]: And they were stashing those items at Jonathan's girlfriend's home, which was also the home of Nikki. 30:04.171 --> 30:17.061 [SPEAKER_05]: So when Nikki innocently inquired about the electronics, fire arms, cash, and other items, perhaps with a real or perceived twinge of is the stuff hot, Kyle knew what he would have to do. 30:17.322 --> 30:21.572 [SPEAKER_05]: To protect himself and his buddy, he would have to eliminate this potential witness. 30:22.126 --> 30:26.313 [SPEAKER_05]: So as to not hinder his future career with law enforcement, Kyle came up with a plan. 30:26.894 --> 30:34.325 [SPEAKER_05]: He offered Nicky a ride, instead of taking Nicky to her intended location, Kyle instead drove her to a rural area of Douglas County. 30:34.806 --> 30:42.659 [SPEAKER_05]: Getting her to touch to a lane, which Kyle said was, quote, so he could find the most appropriate place to kill her, which was also not far from Kyle's home. 30:43.180 --> 30:49.770 [SPEAKER_05]: He stopped the car, put on latex gloves, and told Nicky he was going to kill her, before forcing her to walk up a hill. 30:49.750 --> 30:58.599 [SPEAKER_05]: As they were walking, Nikki began to hyperventilate, and this prompted Kyle to shoot Nikki in the back of the head, and then he simply moved her body off the road and left. 30:59.440 --> 31:10.012 [SPEAKER_05]: A year after Nikki's body was discovered, now 19-year-old Kyle was wanting to avoid a trial, so he pleaded guilty to aggravated murder and was sentenced to life in prison. 31:10.552 --> 31:18.981 [SPEAKER_05]: As part of his plea, he confessed during a taped interview to what he had done, saying in part 31:18.961 --> 31:19.962 [SPEAKER_05]: and I don't know her. 31:20.182 --> 31:22.365 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it wasn't like we were good friends or anything. 31:23.466 --> 31:29.454 [SPEAKER_05]: The robbery at the Pizza Hut earned Kyle one count of robbery in the first degree and three counts of kidnapping in the second degree. 31:29.774 --> 31:33.358 [SPEAKER_05]: For those crimes, he received 60 months and 20 months respectively. 31:34.099 --> 31:35.361 [SPEAKER_05]: Off to prison, Kyle went. 31:35.761 --> 31:44.732 [SPEAKER_05]: He was back in the papers in 99 when the conversation surrounding the sentencing of Kip Kinkle and how to process violent crimes committed by youths 31:44.712 --> 31:51.762 [SPEAKER_05]: After five years behind bars, Kyle claimed that he was focused on what he could offer in life, knowing that he'd be locked up for all of it. 31:52.362 --> 31:55.967 [SPEAKER_05]: In his short time in prison, he had claimed to learn from the consequences. 31:56.508 --> 32:01.695 [SPEAKER_05]: Thanks to many letters he received from loved ones, he realized just how damaging his actions had been. 32:02.236 --> 32:05.721 [SPEAKER_05]: Quote, they said, we don't know what happened, but we hope you're okay. 32:06.121 --> 32:07.143 [SPEAKER_05]: I had to think about that. 32:07.523 --> 32:08.965 [SPEAKER_05]: I let a lot of people down. 32:09.788 --> 32:27.320 [SPEAKER_05]: As part of his rehabilitation, Kyle joined the Los Hormano's program aimed at providing a sort of scared straight idea to visiting 13 and 18-year-olds who would go to the prison for a monthly meeting, Kyle and fellow inmate and convicted murderer Mark Wilson even created a victim awareness and empathy program. 32:27.841 --> 32:31.948 [SPEAKER_05]: In that group, they would meet with other inmates to discuss the suffering that they had caused. 32:31.928 --> 32:40.138 [SPEAKER_05]: Kyle also joined the hospice program where he would tend to dying inmates, including two who died from AIDS in 2001, and they taught him compassion. 32:40.778 --> 32:49.228 [SPEAKER_05]: Talking about his fellow inmates, Kyle said, we need to get education and stick together, and it's important that we remember those who have AIDS so they don't die alone. 32:49.829 --> 32:54.274 [SPEAKER_05]: His time in hospice would eventually lead to becoming a trainer for new workers. 32:54.254 --> 33:14.283 [SPEAKER_05]: So facing a life behind bars without the possibility of getting out, Kyle decided to become what he called a changemaker to bring positivity to prison and to try to help those who would be getting released and always quiet until April of 2021 when Clemency was granted to many inmates in Oregon including Kyle headquest. 33:14.303 --> 33:19.430 [SPEAKER_05]: Now I am not going to deep dive into the nitty gritty rights and wrongs of former Governor Kate Brown. 33:20.051 --> 33:22.675 [SPEAKER_05]: Many people are not a fan and we're just going to leave it at that. 33:23.701 --> 33:30.632 [SPEAKER_05]: After serving 28 years, Kyle applied for clemency and it was granted without any consultation to Nicky's family. 33:31.213 --> 33:40.949 [SPEAKER_05]: To show just how much they did not pay attention to details the clemency was granted on March 17, 2022, on what would have been Nicky's 47th birthday. 33:41.791 --> 33:45.777 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know that anyone even caught that along the line besides her family and friends. 33:46.533 --> 33:50.399 [SPEAKER_05]: On paper, one might be able to justify Kyle's release. 33:50.419 --> 33:54.044 [SPEAKER_05]: While in prison, he was known for solving not creating problems. 33:54.424 --> 33:59.672 [SPEAKER_05]: He worked at a call center, employed by people in custody, which he continued to do for months after his release. 34:00.513 --> 34:06.482 [SPEAKER_05]: Prison volunteers, lawmakers, and advocates all new of Kyle and the work he was doing to help those in prison. 34:06.462 --> 34:14.635 [SPEAKER_05]: Because of his advocacy work, when it got out that Kyle would be released, a position within the Justice Resource Center was created for him at the state capital. 34:15.176 --> 34:21.305 [SPEAKER_05]: Kyle, along with other, reformed inmates, started working on legislation and helping to get rights restored for felons. 34:21.726 --> 34:28.977 [SPEAKER_05]: For those who have watched Kyle in action, they claim it's obvious that he spends every day of his life making up for the actions that took Nicky's. 34:28.957 --> 34:34.203 [SPEAKER_05]: As part of his letter for Clemency, Kyle had to take responsibility for and explain his actions. 34:34.683 --> 34:42.071 [SPEAKER_05]: He shared that some friends, including Nikki, introduced him to shoplifting, a not so unusual adolescent way of thrill-seeking. 34:42.512 --> 34:52.703 [SPEAKER_05]: For him, though, the robbery is quickly went from a random thrill to a series of heists, and when Nikki threatened to call the cops on him, he did what he felt was needed to protect himself. 34:52.683 --> 34:55.189 [SPEAKER_05]: This, of course, counters what is known. 34:55.229 --> 35:04.892 [SPEAKER_05]: The stash from the robberies was being kept at Nicky's home, because Kyle's codependent Jonathan was either living there or had decided that holding it at his girlfriend's place was a good idea. 35:04.933 --> 35:08.481 [SPEAKER_05]: Everyone knew Nicky was unaware of the robberies. 35:08.461 --> 35:16.593 [SPEAKER_05]: Kyle went on to say that when he first got to prison, he was full of shame and regret, and he had expected to be given what he felt was a deserved execution. 35:17.094 --> 35:20.539 [SPEAKER_05]: He eventually got out of that slump and decided to make a change where he could. 35:21.079 --> 35:28.410 [SPEAKER_05]: He enrolled in college courses became a primary architect of clubs and University of Oregon's prison education programming. 35:28.390 --> 35:48.042 [SPEAKER_05]: Now, just because someone looks good on paper doesn't mean it's a good idea to let them out of prison early, which is how Oregon Senator Ron Wyden felt about Kyle's clemency, saying, quote, it is wrong on every level, starting with its calisness toward the crime victims family and extending to all Oregonians counting on public officials to make decisions with public safety in mind. 35:48.462 --> 35:53.250 [SPEAKER_05]: Plain and simple, I oppose this grossly irresponsible use of the clemency powers. 35:53.230 --> 36:06.016 [SPEAKER_05]: Governor Brown's office responded by saying, quote, the governor was under the impression that he shares her and president Biden's values when it comes to second chances and writing the wrongs of a flawed and inequitable justice system. 36:06.517 --> 36:12.690 [SPEAKER_05]: It's unfortunate that the senator did not make himself familiar with the facts of this case before he made his statements. 36:12.991 --> 36:22.422 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not sure what facts they're referring to there or what wrongs or inequities Kyle faced as someone who is a young white male who confessed to cold-blooded murder. 36:22.482 --> 36:24.965 [SPEAKER_05]: For example, Douglas County D.A. 36:24.985 --> 36:27.448 [SPEAKER_05]: Rick Westenberg also took issue with the clemency. 36:28.109 --> 36:40.483 [SPEAKER_05]: Sure, Kyle's letter was nice and he takes part in a lot of positive programs, but according to their files, his account of what happened just wasn't accurate, and it made him out to be more of a victim. 36:40.463 --> 36:47.216 [SPEAKER_05]: Wasn't Berg's head-quist strategy seems to be to make up new facts to form a more compelling narrative. 36:47.737 --> 36:55.652 [SPEAKER_05]: There are thousands of pages of discovery on this case, and yet a large swath of head-quist petition are completely unsupported by any of them. 36:56.233 --> 36:59.940 [SPEAKER_05]: In fact, many statements fly in the face of the evidence. 36:59.920 --> 37:04.487 [SPEAKER_05]: Then there's Kyle's lawyer who said that there was a different real version of events. 37:04.948 --> 37:12.380 [SPEAKER_05]: This included Nicky demanding money from Kyle and then if he didn't pay her she would quote unleash all kinds of trouble on him. 37:13.322 --> 37:19.171 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, as if that makes anything he did make more sense and he has different accounts. 37:19.432 --> 37:22.857 [SPEAKER_05]: So is that really him taking responsibility? 37:22.837 --> 37:29.184 [SPEAKER_05]: Needless to say, in a midterm election year, having a lame, duck governor grant chimpanzees stirred up some controversy. 37:29.705 --> 37:35.332 [SPEAKER_05]: From the community's Kyle would potentially be living in to the fairness of everything, there was a lot to be said. 37:35.952 --> 37:40.117 [SPEAKER_05]: But it wasn't until the end of 2025 that Kyle was really making headlines. 37:40.738 --> 37:44.302 [SPEAKER_05]: It was then that city officials in Salem realized, whoopsies! 37:44.362 --> 37:49.148 [SPEAKER_05]: They actually hadn't been performing background checks on their board members. 37:49.128 --> 37:53.277 [SPEAKER_05]: So, Kyle was appointed to the Community Police Review Board. 37:53.317 --> 37:58.368 [SPEAKER_05]: The CPRB reviews unresolved complaints against the Salem Police Department. 37:58.729 --> 38:02.758 [SPEAKER_05]: After reviewing incidents, they give their findings and recommendations to the police chief. 38:03.259 --> 38:09.212 [SPEAKER_05]: The board has nine people and they can serve for two years with one reappointment for total four years. 38:09.192 --> 38:11.577 [SPEAKER_05]: When Kyle joined the board, he felt right at home. 38:11.918 --> 38:21.499 [SPEAKER_05]: He's been working in legislation and politics, and who knows shady cops better than a wannabe shady cop, and who would know better than a guy who spent 28 years in prison. 38:22.320 --> 38:24.264 [SPEAKER_05]: This is where the real hubbub is coming from. 38:24.305 --> 38:29.175 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I love a debate, especially about a gray area, and this is as gray as it gets. 38:29.155 --> 38:34.965 [SPEAKER_05]: Kyle served nearly 30 years, but he was not supposed to be granted parole of any kind. 38:35.126 --> 38:43.921 [SPEAKER_05]: It was a life sentence, but he was given clemency and allowed freedom, so he has sort of served his time, right? 38:44.662 --> 38:53.458 [SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, there should be people on a police review board that have experience on the other side of the justice system to bring a different perspective to the board. 38:53.438 --> 39:15.193 [SPEAKER_05]: but should a man who at 18 was not only a burglar and armed robber but murder be permitted on such a board an executioner an executioner he's not only talked about change he has walked the walk does that mean he should be allowed to continue to go on police ride-alongs like he had been doing before they realized oh we didn't check anyone's background 39:15.173 --> 39:24.509 [SPEAKER_05]: On the flip side, if he has been a positive asset to the board and can provide that unique perspective, doesn't it fall on the board, because they didn't run the background check? 39:24.809 --> 39:28.736 [SPEAKER_03]: I heard you say that earlier, and it is just now dropping into my brain. 39:28.976 --> 39:31.881 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't they do that when you get a job at anywhere? 39:31.901 --> 39:34.466 [SPEAKER_03]: Uber, uh, I hop. 39:35.067 --> 39:35.587 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 39:35.607 --> 39:36.028 [SPEAKER_03]: Ikea. 39:36.108 --> 39:38.312 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyone, anywhere where the four letter name. 39:39.794 --> 39:46.528 [SPEAKER_05]: Well that's what we're learning is people that have a felony on their record that maybe can't get a job at somewhere like Burger King. 39:46.568 --> 39:48.813 [SPEAKER_05]: They can work in the government. 39:49.354 --> 39:56.689 [SPEAKER_03]: Bad government, nuclear fallout bell. 39:58.458 --> 40:07.131 [SPEAKER_05]: a meeting focusing solely on Kyle's criminal history left the board at a split vote of four to four regarding who did or did not feel comfortable having him around. 40:07.792 --> 40:15.623 [SPEAKER_05]: Kyle would have started his second term on January 1st of this year after a five four vote to reinstate him took place on December 8th. 40:15.603 --> 40:22.970 [SPEAKER_05]: But given the amount of screw-ups by the board and because it's political, there have been meetings about meetings to have meetings ever since this all came out. 40:23.651 --> 40:26.193 [SPEAKER_05]: On January 7th, a special meeting was held. 40:26.674 --> 40:33.821 [SPEAKER_05]: The vote was one thing, but it wouldn't fly for the Salem police and firing unions, which is a whole different can of worms I am not going to rant about. 40:34.542 --> 40:38.586 [SPEAKER_05]: So basically, the council said, okay, we'll take a vote. 40:38.746 --> 40:44.952 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, we'll let him stay, and then when that was learned by the police and fire unions, they said, absolutely not. 40:45.860 --> 40:56.974 [SPEAKER_05]: So at Voting December not only appointed Kyle to the police board, but they decided to also put him now that they know his history on these citizens advisory traffic commission and these civil service commission. 40:57.655 --> 41:04.523 [SPEAKER_05]: On January 7th, at the same exact time that I was writing this episode, a special meeting was held to decide Kyle's council fate. 41:05.004 --> 41:10.230 [SPEAKER_05]: From Salem reporter reporter Joe 41:10.210 --> 41:24.589 [SPEAKER_05]: In response to threats directed at Salem City Council's a beefed up police presence greeted dozens heading into a special meeting Wednesday, where Councillors voted six to two to strip convicted murderer Kyle Hadquist of his roles on two city boards and commissions. 41:25.230 --> 41:34.362 [SPEAKER_05]: Two Councillors who originally voted to reappoint Hadquist in December to the City Community Police Board and the Civil Service Commission changed their minds during Wednesday's vote. 41:34.342 --> 41:43.158 [SPEAKER_05]: They were Council President Linda Nishyoka, who's currently seeking reelection, and Councillor Vanessa Nordike, who's challenging Mayor Julie Hoy for her job. 41:43.739 --> 41:53.177 [SPEAKER_05]: Councillor Mickey Varney abruptly left the meeting early with little explanations saying only that some city counselors had been excluded from decisions in the hours leading up to the meeting. 41:53.157 --> 42:04.363 [SPEAKER_05]: That left the vote 6-2 with Nishiyoka and Nordite-Joning Councilors Paul Tigan, Diana Gwen, Shane Matthews, and Hoy in withdrawing head-quest roles on the Police Review Board and Civil Service Commission. 42:04.924 --> 42:11.419 [SPEAKER_05]: Councilors Irvin Brown and Myvang held firm to their original votes in support of head-quest appointments during the Council's meeting. 42:11.399 --> 42:18.346 [SPEAKER_05]: The vote came after a contentious meeting where headquist himself made a final appeal to the counsel to give him a second chance at serving on the board. 42:18.826 --> 42:27.935 [SPEAKER_05]: He said there were no grounds for removing him and that he is a reformed man, quote, for 1,364 days I have carried the weight of the worst decision of my life. 42:28.296 --> 42:29.417 [SPEAKER_05]: I carry that every day. 42:29.457 --> 42:34.181 [SPEAKER_05]: There is not a day that has gone by in my life that I have not thought about the actions that brought me to prison. 42:34.582 --> 42:35.643 [SPEAKER_05]: I replay the details. 42:35.783 --> 42:39.887 [SPEAKER_05]: I search 42:39.867 --> 42:44.614 [SPEAKER_05]: That debt is unpayable, but it is that same debt that drives me back into the community. 42:44.634 --> 42:50.642 [SPEAKER_05]: I speak because I am living evidence of what happens when violence wins, and I want to ensure that it never wins again. 42:50.662 --> 43:05.402 [SPEAKER_05]: In addition to head-quist and his wife, Kate Sathadee, about 20 other community members spoke during a public testimony, they were largely split between supporting head-quist roles on the two boards and commissions, and those who urge the council to remove him. 43:05.382 --> 43:19.495 [SPEAKER_05]: Counselors also voted 7 to 1 Wednesday night to require the city to perform background checks on all applicants to city boards and commissions, and to bar anyone with a violent felony conviction from serving on the police review board and the Civil Service Commission. 43:19.555 --> 43:22.041 [SPEAKER_05]: Why so soon? 43:22.021 --> 43:37.684 [SPEAKER_05]: So there you go, Kyle is off the board, a man who served time but didn't serve his time, but while serving his time to the best he could and stayed out of trouble, and since he's been out, he's continued to stay out of trouble and has worked toward making the justice system more equitable and fair. 43:37.664 --> 44:02.845 [SPEAKER_05]: Yet he was bullshitting on his clemency request and also shouldn't we be looking at granting clemency for nonviolent charges before even looking at freeing a dude that literally drove a girl into a hidden place with a plan to kill her as if he would have some special insight because he killed a human being right why not someone who was busted for drugs or something or and if we're going to get crazy clemency yeah not a murder not a murder that should be the last thing you look at 44:03.061 --> 44:17.733 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, murder rapists and there's nothing in his case of, oh, the evidence was planted or it was lost or this was mishandled or this is questionable or he can't prove he admitted to it, he confessed, it was proven. 44:18.334 --> 44:21.036 [SPEAKER_03]: I have a major problem with anyone. 44:21.236 --> 44:26.301 [SPEAKER_03]: Any person, I don't care if there are criminal, they've been in prison, not or they're just a, you know, regular old citizen. 44:27.201 --> 44:32.646 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyone who really, really, really wants to be a cop or is a police buff or enthusiast. 44:32.997 --> 44:41.930 [SPEAKER_03]: goes to prison for a murder and then makes it their beeswax when they get out to be associated with the police is very troubling to me. 44:42.190 --> 44:42.491 [SPEAKER_05]: I agree. 44:42.751 --> 44:45.715 [SPEAKER_03]: I do believe that there are good candidates for programs like that. 44:45.836 --> 44:46.056 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 44:46.276 --> 44:47.258 [SPEAKER_03]: He is not one of them. 44:47.538 --> 44:47.718 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 44:47.838 --> 44:51.283 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't feel good about his rehabilitation work. 44:51.303 --> 44:52.465 [SPEAKER_03]: But I can't say anything. 44:52.605 --> 44:54.007 [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't it just I don't know. 44:54.268 --> 44:56.591 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't I just don't trust a police wannabe. 44:57.172 --> 44:57.392 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 44:57.953 --> 44:59.275 [SPEAKER_03]: No matter no matter their history. 44:59.542 --> 45:03.028 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you would also think you'd want to be as far away from that as possible. 45:03.289 --> 45:04.211 [SPEAKER_05]: You want to be around. 45:04.231 --> 45:05.693 [SPEAKER_03]: That was that was the other point I was going to make. 45:05.734 --> 45:07.437 [SPEAKER_03]: Why are you a, why are you doing this? 45:07.918 --> 45:09.100 [SPEAKER_03]: Why are you doing this? 45:09.160 --> 45:11.665 [SPEAKER_03]: We, everyone, note, well, I guess they didn't know he was a murderer. 45:12.747 --> 45:12.967 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 45:12.987 --> 45:13.748 [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to come out. 45:13.829 --> 45:14.309 [SPEAKER_03]: How are you? 45:14.490 --> 45:17.696 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, that's just seems like more of the bullshitting your way through something. 45:17.716 --> 45:18.097 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 45:18.197 --> 45:21.583 [SPEAKER_03]: He will get away with what he can maybe when he can. 45:21.563 --> 45:22.685 [SPEAKER_03]: if given the opportunity. 45:22.705 --> 45:23.447 [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't mean a crime. 45:23.487 --> 45:26.373 [SPEAKER_03]: I just mean getting into a position that he shouldn't be in. 45:27.115 --> 45:36.195 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's someone who was a little more thoughtful or, you know, have the ability to be thoughtful, would maybe say, I don't need a public facing job. 45:36.335 --> 45:37.979 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't need to be associated with the police. 45:38.700 --> 45:40.905 [SPEAKER_03]: I've done a lot of, I've done damage. 45:40.885 --> 45:42.827 [SPEAKER_03]: and I need to step out of the spotlight. 45:42.907 --> 45:44.429 [SPEAKER_03]: He wants to be in the spotlight. 45:44.469 --> 45:45.591 [SPEAKER_03]: Why are you looking for that? 45:46.211 --> 45:46.792 [SPEAKER_03]: What is wrong? 45:46.832 --> 45:47.553 [SPEAKER_03]: What is wrong there? 45:47.793 --> 45:51.598 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, I don't, I don't like it. 45:51.978 --> 45:57.885 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, instead of you were given a get out of jail card, when you shouldn't have been, go hide. 45:58.546 --> 46:01.269 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, or just work within your community quietly. 46:01.289 --> 46:05.094 [SPEAKER_03]: Live a simple life, rehabilitate your image in yourself that way. 46:05.294 --> 46:10.420 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, 46:10.822 --> 46:11.323 [SPEAKER_03]: God. 46:11.343 --> 46:20.263 [SPEAKER_03]: And then we have to, like you say, we have to have all these meetings about meetings, and this guy, I mean, a person, you just, it's not a good fit, my guy. 46:20.303 --> 46:20.624 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 46:21.326 --> 46:22.308 [SPEAKER_03]: Go work with animals. 46:23.150 --> 46:26.878 [SPEAKER_05]: Or, or yeah, go find a place that works directly with people. 46:26.959 --> 46:29.404 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that are fully incarcerated. 46:29.384 --> 46:32.208 [SPEAKER_05]: And you can share your ideas to be a counselor. 46:32.268 --> 46:34.131 [SPEAKER_03]: You can be a administrator in a facility like that. 46:34.171 --> 46:37.036 [SPEAKER_03]: You can help so many people stay away from the police. 46:37.476 --> 46:42.464 [SPEAKER_05]: Why go out of your way to give Clemency to the guy who has life with no parole? 46:43.045 --> 46:57.467 [SPEAKER_05]: At least look at the cases we've looked at and go, oh my god, it was an accident or the gun misfired or it was a car accident, whatever and they get 50 years and you go like, okay, but maybe 10 is okay. 46:57.447 --> 47:05.737 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe the governor found a kinship in the self-serving nature of that person because she just did what she fucking wanted. 47:05.777 --> 47:08.020 [SPEAKER_03]: And then he got to do what he wanted. 47:08.040 --> 47:10.123 [SPEAKER_03]: She's like, oh, I like the way this guy operates. 47:10.143 --> 47:11.465 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he's a real go-getter. 47:11.685 --> 47:14.208 [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like this is the angriest I've ever been in this show. 47:14.228 --> 47:14.589 [SPEAKER_03]: It's 2026. 47:14.689 --> 47:17.312 [SPEAKER_03]: I have I have had it. 47:17.292 --> 47:17.773 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 47:17.793 --> 47:21.417 [SPEAKER_03]: We just don't need, we don't need that because he will get away with what he can. 47:21.738 --> 47:25.342 [SPEAKER_03]: Even if he's not doing criminal things, he is a slick fucker. 47:25.542 --> 47:26.123 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 47:26.143 --> 47:27.225 [SPEAKER_03]: And he will get away with things. 47:27.265 --> 47:27.705 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry. 47:27.745 --> 47:28.466 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm swearing so much. 47:28.606 --> 47:29.968 [SPEAKER_05]: No, you're, let it out. 47:30.188 --> 47:30.689 [SPEAKER_03]: It's fine. 47:30.729 --> 47:32.051 [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't, I don't like that, man. 47:32.631 --> 47:32.792 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 47:33.152 --> 47:37.157 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like, and when I say that, I mean, I don't like that, man. 47:37.137 --> 47:40.142 [SPEAKER_05]: And you don't like that, man. 47:40.883 --> 47:46.652 [SPEAKER_05]: Now, I do have one last little tidbit similar to the non-mentioned of pregnancy with Robins Graves Stone. 47:46.832 --> 47:54.825 [SPEAKER_05]: There are three random references that at the time of her death or right before it Nikki was in foster care. 47:54.805 --> 48:01.253 [SPEAKER_05]: And it wouldn't have been possible for her to be in the care when she died, because she would have been aged out of the system by then. 48:01.874 --> 48:04.798 [SPEAKER_05]: But she could have been up to the point that she was 18. 48:04.838 --> 48:18.636 [SPEAKER_05]: There was also an article that Ron Fully said, this is the joy of reading old newspapers and you go, oh shit, I hope this is as accurate as I can get it because it said Kyle killed his foster child, not the case. 48:18.616 --> 48:20.379 [SPEAKER_05]: And later, D.A. 48:20.499 --> 48:25.628 [SPEAKER_05]: Weisenberg also said that quote, Thrasher had just been released from foster care at the time of her death. 48:26.269 --> 48:26.750 [SPEAKER_05]: And D.A. 48:26.790 --> 48:33.722 [SPEAKER_05]: Weisenberg also said that while Kyle was trying to get out, he was trying to reach members of her family, but was unable to do so. 48:33.702 --> 48:45.997 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's not that the foster information really matters so much as far as the case is concerned, but if she was a foster kid, it's just another example of someone thinking that that type of person is disposable. 48:46.358 --> 48:54.768 [SPEAKER_05]: And it adds to the frustration surrounding Kyle's release because it makes you wonder about her family, that she have family, that they know what had happened to her. 48:54.888 --> 48:56.550 [SPEAKER_05]: The foster care makes it easier to dismiss. 48:56.751 --> 48:57.972 [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly. 48:57.952 --> 49:12.324 [SPEAKER_05]: And I also want to clarify that in one article her father's name was listed as Cliff, but on a gravestone that I feel 99% is hers, it did say the daughter of Corporal Bruce D. Thrasher, United States Marine Corps. 49:12.825 --> 49:16.128 [SPEAKER_05]: So I just want to clarify those things that I'm not positive on her dad's name. 49:16.148 --> 49:18.410 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think Cliff is short for Bruce. 49:18.690 --> 49:19.250 [SPEAKER_05]: Could be a nickname. 49:19.511 --> 49:27.958 [SPEAKER_05]: I'd like you said, often we hear whether it's a sex worker or a foster child, people think, oh no one cares and 49:27.938 --> 49:34.526 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's how things become so inaccurate because no one cares about the reporting of the actual information. 49:34.546 --> 49:36.128 [SPEAKER_03]: They just kind of go yada yada yada. 49:36.148 --> 49:38.050 [SPEAKER_03]: She was in foster care and then she was killed. 49:38.151 --> 49:40.514 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, she was in foster care immediately before she was killed. 49:40.534 --> 49:40.794 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 49:41.014 --> 49:41.615 [SPEAKER_03]: They just don't care. 49:41.635 --> 49:44.198 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's like, well, how am idiot because she was past 19. 49:44.338 --> 49:45.960 [SPEAKER_05]: So it was at least a year and a half. 49:47.142 --> 49:52.989 [SPEAKER_05]: And the fact that someone wrote Kyle had was being arrested for the murder of his foster child. 49:53.009 --> 49:55.532 [SPEAKER_05]: That's like you couldn't be more inaccurate. 49:55.512 --> 50:05.022 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, I do because we normally chat a little bit. 50:05.783 --> 50:06.684 [SPEAKER_05]: We just got into it. 50:06.704 --> 50:07.344 [SPEAKER_05]: We're all a dog. 50:07.845 --> 50:08.526 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you want a chat? 50:08.686 --> 50:08.846 [SPEAKER_03]: No. 50:10.127 --> 50:11.409 [SPEAKER_06]: Haha. 50:11.429 --> 50:12.650 [SPEAKER_06]: Ding, undone. 50:12.670 --> 50:14.372 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, hot. 50:14.912 --> 50:15.934 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a coastal town. 50:16.054 --> 50:16.614 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, hot. 50:17.115 --> 50:18.076 [SPEAKER_06]: It's a coastal town. 50:18.176 --> 50:18.676 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, hot. 50:19.657 --> 50:20.959 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, oh. 50:21.980 --> 50:22.060 [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm. 50:23.272 --> 50:25.214 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Bucket, Mr. Bucket. 50:25.234 --> 50:25.795 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Bucket. 50:26.035 --> 50:26.476 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Bucket. 50:26.496 --> 50:27.076 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Bucket. 50:27.216 --> 50:27.557 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Bucket. 50:27.577 --> 50:28.258 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Bucket. 50:28.318 --> 50:28.598 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Bucket. 50:28.618 --> 50:28.918 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Bucket. 50:28.958 --> 50:29.279 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Bucket. 50:29.299 --> 50:29.619 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Bucket. 50:29.639 --> 50:29.899 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Bucket. 50:29.960 --> 50:30.460 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Bucket. 50:30.981 --> 50:31.301 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Bucket. 50:31.361 --> 50:32.042 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Bucket. 50:32.062 --> 50:32.342 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Bucket. 50:32.362 --> 50:32.843 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Bucket. 50:33.003 --> 50:33.303 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Bucket. 50:33.323 --> 50:33.544 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Bucket. 50:33.564 --> 50:33.964 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Bucket. 50:33.984 --> 50:34.665 [SPEAKER_04]: Mr. Bucket. 50:34.885 --> 50:40.491 [SPEAKER_04]: Mr. Bucket. 50:42.033 --> 50:42.413 [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Bucket. 50:42.434 --> 50:42.734 [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Bucket. 50:42.754 --> 50:43.114 [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Bucket. 50:43.134 --> 50:44.296 [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Bucket. 50:44.396 --> 50:44.616 [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Bucket. 50:44.656 --> 50:45.016 [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Bucket. 50:45.117 --> 50:45.457 [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Bucket. 50:45.517 --> 50:45.937 [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Bucket. 50:45.957 --> 50:47.299 [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Bucket. 50:47.319 --> 50:47.759 [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Bucket. 50:47.780 --> 50:48.240 [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Bucket. 50:48.741 --> 50:50.022 [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Bucket 50:51.605 --> 51:21.460 [SPEAKER_07]: That's right, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr. Bunkett, I'm Mr 51:22.503 --> 51:27.991 [SPEAKER_05]: Should we invent something that breaks away an emergency break away auto-exphyxiation tool? 51:28.171 --> 51:28.432 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 51:28.893 --> 51:29.614 [SPEAKER_05]: Save some lives. 51:29.854 --> 51:31.536 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, has like a little little report on it? 51:31.577 --> 51:33.159 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like it feels your heart rate. 51:35.122 --> 51:39.588 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like a, like one of those or a sleep rings, but for your neck. 51:39.608 --> 51:40.269 [SPEAKER_05]: We'll call it auto. 51:40.710 --> 51:41.031 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 51:43.114 --> 51:43.514 [SPEAKER_03]: That's good. 51:44.536 --> 51:46.318 [SPEAKER_03]: Your new friend, auto. 51:46.839 --> 51:48.021 [SPEAKER_05]: Hello, I am Ato. 51:48.777 --> 51:51.921 [SPEAKER_03]: Man, wouldn't it be fun to just grab me by the shoulders and shake me sometimes? 51:52.562 --> 51:53.062 [SPEAKER_05]: Every day. 51:53.082 --> 51:53.543 [SPEAKER_03]: I know. 51:54.664 --> 51:55.586 [SPEAKER_05]: Clif thrasher. 51:55.606 --> 51:56.026 [SPEAKER_05]: I know. 51:56.367 --> 51:57.108 [SPEAKER_03]: My God. 51:57.188 --> 51:57.708 [SPEAKER_05]: Great names. 51:57.768 --> 51:59.030 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, then last name thrasher. 51:59.070 --> 52:00.992 [SPEAKER_05]: It's going to be awesome. 52:01.373 --> 52:16.472 [SPEAKER_05]: No matter what your first name is. 52:17.043 --> 52:18.885 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.