[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Homemaker Sheek Podcast 20-26.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a few weeks, but here we are.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are going to rescue the heart of Homemaking from the daily grind.
[SPEAKER_01]: Red lips, no jumpers.
[SPEAKER_01]: All year long.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at us, guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, ask for us to be fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not 100% sure when the new video's going up.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're coming back to video.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've asked for help.
[SPEAKER_01]: We told you.
[SPEAKER_00]: We told you good things were coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you guys?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well if you can see our backgrounds We're pretending.
[SPEAKER_00]: I put you in like this studio We're touching
[SPEAKER_00]: We're pretending like we're in a studio together and we've spent a lot of time just sort of thinking about this season, how we wanted it to feel.
[SPEAKER_00]: We miss each other so much, but we're going to see each other at this winter.
[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't yet, but we are going to see each other this winter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Somehow, somehow, six years later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, holy, isn't that lame, you guys?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's so lame.
[SPEAKER_00]: Super lame.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm glad to be back.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I spent so much break, I know you did too, just thinking, contemplating, gaining some perspective, resting the mind, it was by far one of the best holiday seasons I've ever had.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was by far the best break I've ever had.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what was going on, but everything just felt so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got a lot done.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't do a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just like this perfect combination of getting things organized and of doing and not doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the perfect combination of doing and not doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I hit,
[SPEAKER_01]: the ground on Monday, the fifth feeling like that was excellent.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now I can proceed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't remember such a clean, great feeling on Monday on the Monday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it honestly felt the same here.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was one day, I didn't wear a bra for like three days in a row.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't wear a broth for three weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Plus your heart.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was so fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, for all we, for all we complain about screens, dividing families, which they very much can do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like our screams actually sort of worked to unite us a little bit over the break, because we sat and we watched Christmas Day.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had brunch with my parents and my sisters and their families and it was lovely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone kind of parted ways, mid-afternoon.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we came home, everybody put on their pajamas, and we watched this show called, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: wild Nordic on national geographic for like six hours.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was just on travel like, you know, in Norway, Sweden.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was fantastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we just sat by the fire and ate snacks on the couches.
[SPEAKER_00]: It it honestly felt luxurious.
[SPEAKER_00]: It felt luxurious.
[SPEAKER_01]: We played NASCAR
[SPEAKER_01]: where it was bringing everybody together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just the screaming and hollering and laughing and bravado.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, so, so fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: It felt fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: It did, it felt really, really fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I took on the challenge of doing just like a few little projects that I wanted to do, not that I felt like I had to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's no way I'm going to turn my camera to show you this right now because it took us 45 minutes to get set up today.
[SPEAKER_00]: But right, I turned a whole half of a wall in my office
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just put a whole collage and collection of some postcards, letters, mother's daycards, the kids have given me posters that I have collected, sticky notes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just turned it into this like beautiful little, completely changeable space to sort of follow the mood, follow the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that would it took me, you know, an hour.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's so fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to use that for like to-do's or is it just it in spellport?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because mine's combined.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got, hey, here's this bill and then here's a sweet note from your grandma.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's both.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I accidentally just like, what are we going to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: I accidentally ordered 12 click clipboards instead of six.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's like, well, the next time I take up a coaching gig.
[SPEAKER_00]: will be set.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I don't really need 12 boards, but, you know, the boards will hang just on a safety bar on a push by love them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got, yeah, did you get the acrylic?
[SPEAKER_01]: I got the sexy acrylic with the gold.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the cork.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love cork.
[SPEAKER_00]: So no, just old school.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's my like running to do list for this or here's a word for a project that I kind of needed to brain map out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they're just there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can either take them down and move them, or I can look at them from here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's just these small little victories.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am in the season of small victories in case anybody else is too.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not the season where we're getting things or ripping up floors.
[SPEAKER_00]: We just were no, we're no, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope,
[SPEAKER_01]: I do that, you know, you said you ordered 12, do you do that on Amazon?
[SPEAKER_01]: I do that all the time on Amazon at order two on accident, like, yeah, I mean, I did order these on Amazon.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do it all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I put it in my cart and then I think I have it and then I, or I double click or something, but even this year for Christmas, two giant Lego train sets came.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's a $200 credit I could really use.
[SPEAKER_01]: Merry Christmas.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder why that bill was so dang high.
[SPEAKER_02]: And grief.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you guys, this is a whole episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: But a couple of months ago, I decided that I was really just going to
[SPEAKER_00]: Our home finances, I've always been pretty good about organizing them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think just that, those years of doing Dave Ramsey, the years of doing Dave Ramsey, they sort of create these habits in you.
[SPEAKER_00]: But somebody recommended rocket money to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we talked about this a little bit last season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rocket money will send you emails.
[SPEAKER_00]: It will be like, hey, don't forget, you have that reoccurring charge that's gonna be coming out in three days.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it lets you know before these things come out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or it'll be like, it'll send you these little emails.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, just so you know, you're halfway through your crushy budget.
[SPEAKER_00]: halfway, you might want to slow spending doubt.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's your second, oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'd like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lay off, I'm starving.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's incredibly helpful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, lightly judgmental, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're trying to like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to like reduce notifications and over stimulants.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, but okay, but my point was like, how often do you put your card in for something?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you forget.
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is the thumbs up?
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm like, what just happened?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why I put it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the whole video, she feel you guys are gonna have to just have some grades with us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, is that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at us.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're trying.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we look really professional.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we, that's why I said put your hand up because it almost looks like, sorry, the other one.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other one touched.
[SPEAKER_00]: We could touch.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, my point is how often do you have charges come through and you don't know what they are?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have like family drama over that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of Amazon, middle of the day, the other day, Joel texts me, he goes, who just spent $8 at Amazon F.R.
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, well, it wasn't me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not in France.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was just going to say, I haven't, you know, when I get there, I'll order packing materials and have it shipped to the hotel, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it was like this whole,
[SPEAKER_01]: Bruhaha with the family who did it and I said, you know, it's got to be fraud.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the holidays to the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then calling capital 1 and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well then it comes out.
[SPEAKER_01]: We tried to get a VPN.
[SPEAKER_01]: We tried the whole VPN experience a few few months back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it totally jacked up our Amazon Prime.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have the service anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've unplugged the machine.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've reset the account.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever, everything still shows up in your rows on our Amazon.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got the stupid VPN number because there's just this movie I saw on the plane on the way to France when you're and I just wanted to watch it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought we'll all get a VPN and then I'll find a way to watch this movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it turns out like the kids rented
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know, but honestly, yeah, I was looking into getting a VPN because I've been trying to practice by watching shows and as you can imagine, there's not that many Italian shows on Netflix, you know, it's not that widely spoken and people are like, oh, it's so easy.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Too much too much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, this season, ladies and gentlemen, we're going in perfectly chic for a season of real home making.
[SPEAKER_00]: The irony about us going imperfectly chic is that as we were planning out some episodes and things that we wanted to talk to you about, I happened to stumble upon this article about digital modesty.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, my digital modesty.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love this term.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to do a whole episode on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, digital modesty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, maybe hold some back, maybe just hold some back, you know, just like you hold back some of your body at the beach.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe let's go back some of our thoughts and some of our secrets and some of our like
[SPEAKER_00]: inner things for the people around us, maybe it's not all for public consumption.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're just so many people could do well to remember that the problem is I'm just sitting here talking to you doing this podcast I've done for six years so like the newness maybe some of the
[SPEAKER_00]: filter is there like it wasn't the beginning.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just the tempering of nerve, like the nerves, temper you a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not really nervous doing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm not nervous doing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we know our audience, hello, so many of them have been with us in the beginning and right homemakers.
[SPEAKER_00]: generally are just awesome people, like they're really fun people and they're really nice and they're very normal, you know, it's not like we have a political talk show, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, we're just talking to a bunch of homemakers.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, I just thought it was funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like imperfectly chic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's tell you the real, the real things behind the scenes and then I read this article that was like, maybe don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you need to talk about your dirty underwear
[SPEAKER_01]: I did Google today though.
[SPEAKER_01]: How many hot flashes a day are normal?
[SPEAKER_01]: OK.
[SPEAKER_00]: Inquiring minds would like to know, speaking of hormones.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's take a second to say thank you to, I don't know what season this is, the new season of 20 times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Still rolled over on me this morning and like, sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have my hand?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's our munder my shirt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a Steve.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's my husband.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, just like he was just curling up to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he slips his arm underneath my extra large sweatshirt.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was sleeping in an he's like, geez, I was just sweating.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was sweating.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a hard winter to gauge.
[SPEAKER_01]: You sleep with sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's warm here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's really warm here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I like bun up a lot at night time when it's cold and then I sleep and I'm like, can I leave?
[SPEAKER_00]: So you happen some hot flashes, Angela?
[SPEAKER_01]: You happen some, yeah, I kind of thought I was going to escape that because, you know, I have friends that they started that hot flashes long time ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just thought, oh, I've had one or two over the last few years.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the last couple weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they are for the birds.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you're just standing around, minding your own business.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like, and all this on in between your boobs is just dripping.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's like steam coming off your head.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, am I sticky?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what is happening?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, you're on fire, you're like a steam, you're like a radiator.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it stops.
[SPEAKER_01]: How long does it last for?
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I'll go change my bra now because not long a minute mine are not long thank goodness okay okay oh it's so horrible it's not I don't I don't like it
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I've never little adjustments.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to make it happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't really heard a ton of women advocate for menopause, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're in good company.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just, you know, I know there's a lot of humor attached to it and humor requires an element of exaggeration.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if it makes you feel any better, I think just I appreciate my body doing what it needs to do every month, but the last time I was like, this is for the birds like word done here my body's just angry, it's like, why are not pregnant?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh no, I'm pregnant.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not my period.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think of that like my body raging at me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like we wanted a baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stay angry 25% of the time not what we're talking about today, though No, we're talking I love that you mentioned digital modesty and you're like stural over on me this morning and when I'm Manstrating I'm going to work on it I don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what actually I'm probably not gonna work on it In the context of the podcast Oh, I'm not going to probably
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm probably not going to put it in word form like on my sub-stagger and something right, you know, but can a conversation we just be amongst friends here.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're just girls talking.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, kind of what are we talking about today.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about trending home making trends.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to run this trending home making trends junior learned the word redundant he would be like I think that's redundant.
[SPEAKER_00]: some things they're trending for 2026 that, you know, we're not really into.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that maybe sounds a bit negative, but I think as always, it's helpful to keep the home making camp broad.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to look different for people.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I noticed online is that you have a lot of
[SPEAKER_00]: Young homemakers anymore, you and I.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go back and slide to the last 10 minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not young homemakers anymore, but there are new and very impressionable homemakers, which is probably why we should be really careful about what we say.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they can feel, I know because I've read things that they've written, they can feel like they have to fit into this particular box.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some pretty hardcore boxes that people are trying to stuff you in if you are a homemaker, whether it's like this bougie, well, I will look up talk about it, but you know, like, right comes to mind, is like, the bougie,
[SPEAKER_01]: everything from Amazon, you know, like containers, like we'll, we'll go there, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or the Treadwife, you know, there's like some pretty rigid boxes that when you say the word homemaker, people are pretty pretty desperate to pop you into.
[SPEAKER_00]: They also are pretty, some of them are pretty quick to, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: pass judgment if you don't fit into the box.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so interestingly, I think you and I both tend to kind of bridge both gaps.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just released a YouTube video last Friday.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was on
[SPEAKER_00]: kitchen some kitchen stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a shot where I'm scrubbing a pan I get done and left in the sink is my little scrubby smile daddy scrubber.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I love those things and stews like do you want me to edit this out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, no, like that's the scrubber that I use.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know that aesthetically like an orange smiley face scrubber in the sink throws some people off.
[SPEAKER_00]: especially online, because there's like this homemaker aesthetic.
[SPEAKER_00]: And listen, this is the season of like in perfectly chic.
[SPEAKER_00]: That does not mean that we just give up.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't mean that we give up.
[SPEAKER_00]: It means that we're
[SPEAKER_00]: We're living our life, we're more concerned with just living a fruitful, beautiful, blessed, rich life than we are trying to impress people online with what we do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or fit a mold.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, I think the caution too for young homemakers or people coming into homemaking is with social media seeing these different ways that homemaking is portrayed and thinking like, oh, that's what I got to do exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I got to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to wear, you know, a floaty dress and have soft lighting and make tea and yep, everything has to look perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: There can't be a
[SPEAKER_00]: That is grubby and I think, but you know, that's exactly how you ever stumbled across that quote, I don't have it in front of me, I wish I did and it was saying I wonder why
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh gosh, I really want this in front of me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder why my garden doesn't give me any bouquets.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I realize I cut off every flower as it comes to prove to everyone I'm a gardener.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I'm talking about?
[SPEAKER_00]: Nope, but I'm anxious to hear your parallel here.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think we're going to do the same thing with home making, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You make cookies and your first thought is like, I got to take a picture of it and I got to post them and I got to do this and share it and yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy yaddy y
[SPEAKER_00]: nail polish on my nail and I don't want to show my hands because that's, like, aesthetic great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or you can frustrated when only, you know, five of your friends comment about what a great mother you are for making cookies with your kids or, you know, there's so many ways that this can go off the rails anytime you're trying to keep up with the trend anytime.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think my encouragement, how makers would be like, just don't even try make your own
[SPEAKER_00]: Not because it's trendy, but because you actually like it because some of this stuff that we listed up I'm like, yeah, I can get behind this.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, should we go through them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So these we googled this we googled.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, like 2024 2025.
[SPEAKER_01]: How making trends.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, that we think are kind of scam me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we're going to have some fun and look at maybe some that are more positive for this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the first one is the soft chore aesthetic.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that is such brilliant wording, and I will tell you, I mean, I feel this because I see the reels or whatever of like the perfect laundry room and the wicker basket, and that's...
[SPEAKER_01]: literally as plot dress right the big smock apron which I have some right and I'm looking at my laundry room like there is nothing romantic about this process it is not simple and hair balls and it's both yeah like okay it's both I like to iron sheets like there's a pretty aspect to it but like the daily act of laundry is not always this romantic
[SPEAKER_01]: doesn't have the soft chore aesthetic, no, it's not that's a little cringy to just portray it like this is how laundry looks laundry is period underwear and and dirty towels and you know what I mean like come on it can be kind of rough it can be a little rough it can be a little rough.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some days generally I think home making feels incredibly romantic and luxurious and I love those moments usually when we have those Angela and I text each other and we say something like it's one of those thick.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's palpable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, yes, yes or good things are good for this moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that's probably like the
[SPEAKER_00]: seven percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: And those moments are really important because they're like a binder.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're a binder.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, with eight seven people in the house, I always have to correct myself.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hate that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's a lot of socks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, everybody does their own laundry.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a laundry system.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're locked in, but
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I would say.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've watched everybody probably listening to the show has watched the great British baking show.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know how when somebody makes something and Paul always says, oh, you prioritize style over substance.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that style is unimportant.
[SPEAKER_00]: The aesthetic is unimportant, but like it has to have some substance to, I think, for it to feel,
[SPEAKER_00]: And the reality is, I would say I'm going to just totally make up a number.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess that a solid 85% of the people listening to this show do pull some of their home maker inspiration from social media.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why we're addressing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that 15% who doesn't they're like, I don't know what you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the other, you know, you see this stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: You see it all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: You see it's now as a creator it's fun to make it's fun to make a romantic little snippet of I don't want to show you my period under fair right right, but let's just remember that it is a little Little bit of a scam like don't feel pressure that it has to look like this romantic thing all the time number two makes me laugh.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to say that word okay word it is What's our substitute word, um, you know, malice pantry ideals
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, again, bougie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think of just like bougie Instagram Reels where it's like look at my 18 different types of ice shapes and look at all these containers, the refrigerator organization Reels.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I shapes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Haven't you ever seen like, oh, I'm a mom and I'm like an impact my kids as lunches and like I like to touch that whole story in these cool dinosaur shaped ice cube trays and then I put them in their water bottle for for lunch and you're like, I'm not that woman.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not that cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anybody is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're totally fake.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're totally, I want to believe their fake.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's a reflection on me and what I can and cannot pull off.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like the pantry with $700 worth of matching containers and everything is perfect and you know the corn flakes and whatever like I can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, you know like our notes say like my family would
[SPEAKER_00]: back to hide.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to put like intentionally put in different containers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to hide snack food.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of ties into number three, which is really like over the top restocking videos.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I would talk about this a lot last season.
[SPEAKER_00]: I gave up a lot of screen time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just couldn't take it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, once I saw people like take the yogurt out of the yogurt containers from the store and like put it in other containers to put in their fridge, I just thought, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's like, that's a luxury that is an involved in daily life here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think you wrote that you wrote this down, and I think this is exactly the point.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a high aesthetic appeal, which is why homemakers get drawn in because we're a tend to be very aesthetically driven people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish that a appeal to open up or refrigerator and you're like, oh look, there's no plastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no store-bomb containers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, your condiments are moved into these bougie bottles.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this is like genuinely very low-life real value.
[SPEAKER_00]: very low.
[SPEAKER_00]: Unless you're refrigerator person, maybe we have some refrigerator people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe maybe I'll be a refrigerator person when I don't have four children.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, take care of it this way.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think, you know, just going back to like you said, there's new homemakers, people coming into the fold, like it doesn't require that you decant your yogurt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you can be a really good homemaker and the spaghetti can stay in the box.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, spaghetti can stay in the box.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote a sub stack last week about, I called it, I got 99 problems and the jars are all of them, because I didn't see that on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got a jar problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have, and okay, that's not the point of what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: The point is I took pictures of my dirty, nasty, cobwebby, leaky, jars of preserves in my cold room, and in my root cellar.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really trying to not let my work go to waste all this work that I've made in the garden so I'm like, I've got 87 jars of cucumber dill relish.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're having tuna salad every day for lunch.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want this to go to waste and I had to fight my own inner whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: desire to impress other people to like dust the jars make it all aesthetically pleasing especially as a photographer.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was really hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's not the story you're telling here.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not looking at my bougie beautiful jars.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not what you're trying to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're trying to say, I did this work.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want it to go to waste.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what it looks like in real life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm trying to find ways to use it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the story I was telling.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's kind of like the little bit of the heart of what we're trying to get to.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's what exists in real life.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't mean to be contradicting things we've said in the past.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because in the past, we've talked about the romance of making a home and finding ways to make things beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not everything, all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not everything all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do take my dish soap out of the plastic container and put it in a little iron stone pitcher that I keep my sink.
[SPEAKER_00]: I redo things all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But
[SPEAKER_00]: that doesn't improve my value as a homemaker.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a good, there's the crux right there, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it's something I can do within my daily life without giving up on all of my things that I really need to concentrate on, or asking my family to bend to some really crazy, visual ideal that I have in my mind that involves them not living here or being consumers of anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cottagecore cleaning.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so sorry if Cottagecore is your thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could never hear that word again and be very happy.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first time I heard it, I thought, really?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't get, I use the word Cottage all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: My house is a Cottage, actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like this word.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't quite figure out why.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it makes me think of the sad-bash kids Instagram feed.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I think of as cottage core.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think that's no cottage core.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, cottage core is, I think cottage core is like your typical, like you're in the checkout lane at the grocery store.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's like a cottage magazine, you know, and there's gingham fabric on the shelves
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think it's more beige than that, really?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's so much beige.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a lot of beige, sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Still.
[SPEAKER_00]: My friend Natalie always sends me sure when William's color of the year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gosh, every year we just roll our eyes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cause it'll be just like moon white.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, oh, sure when William softs sand.
[SPEAKER_00]: soft sound, I'd be a great paintman, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like water.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do in here.
[SPEAKER_00]: People are so great for color.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, no cottage core cleaning.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a real viral aesthetic on Tik Tok, particularly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: It means no orange scrubed at ease.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, don't dish soap bottles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just a big brick a lie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: shape the lie off with right not a plastic to hurt that that that board you know that can't down by the river you're like cottage corkly the wooden brushes you can only use a wooden no blue no blue sponges are allowed right I do use wooden brushes but they're in my shop so I don't use them I just go to the basement and get into one when I need one there you go um again
[SPEAKER_00]: This sound may be sounds like we're being anti these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not really what we're trying to say here.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're saying it's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: How makers, you don't have to cottagecore clean.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not a flex.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a flex.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you like it, do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not so grand flex.
[SPEAKER_00]: in terms of home making.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do love the word flex.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do want to thank the modern world for inserting that into our vernacular.
[SPEAKER_01]: I find it very useful.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can do without core, but I'll take flex.
[SPEAKER_00]: OK. OK.
[SPEAKER_00]: These kind of, I don't know quite what to do with this sort of, with this sort of aesthetic.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't quite know what to do with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think some people actually really do live it and they really do love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure some of them are listening now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not like, not trying to throw shade on you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying, they're not less of a homemaker if you use Dawn and a blue sponge.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you should use branch base.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're welcome.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're welcome.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're welcome.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're welcome.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where home making news going to go is expected to go this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're like, I can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: January, early January and I feel like, okay, so this first one, I, you know, this is my chances, my realm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like there's been a big crescendo happening for like the last 18 months, but it's looking like cozy maximalism is going to take over these articles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take that page land me up.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, turns out, you know, it'll be like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, they're really like, oh, it turns out you guys like stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm as bad or collected than bought.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, oh, thanks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just read a whole article.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was on Substack about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's who was it one of those cardashians or somebody has a new house and asked Ben and they tried to make it look old.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like okay I think it with I think that's what it was and just like how how to do it taste full and how to have it not look cheesy I'm over here like
[SPEAKER_01]: You're all right to the party, you're late.
[SPEAKER_00]: Colors, layered textures, collected things, like it's okay to have a collection of like C-shelts that you have collected over the years from your favorite place.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay to have real books that you've actually read that maybe are in the color scheme.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember when people would like turn them around?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That upsets people more than me having not read Jane Austen yet, that's another episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Turning books around me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you but turning books around that really sets people off.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: People don't like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that was a long time ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I remember, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Years ago or whatever, where people were turning all their books around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, so the pendulum is swinging hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the Lord away from minimalism.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you get to have stuff now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you could all along, but now you
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The gods are improving it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can have a stock color patterns fun fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember we talked about that word at the end of last season fun is allowed in your home.
[SPEAKER_00]: I overbreak when we were spending all of our time watching wild Nordic.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was on my phone looking at Facebook marketplace because I was really looking for.
[SPEAKER_00]: A coffee table.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been keeping my eye out for a coffee table.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was looking at new coffee tables and like very in it, you know, cheaply made coffee tables can be anywhere from like five to seven hundred dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that that blew my mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I just, and I didn't know it had a name like it's like a fast furniture.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's fast fashion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And fast furniture.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even know that I just heard that name the other day.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, that's makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: So true.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't keen on that idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was just out of the question.
[SPEAKER_00]: That amount.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I've just been keeping my own face look mark place.
[SPEAKER_00]: I poke my head in a few times a week and sure enough somebody posted this like four by four coffee table and it was rod iron base and I was like that baby is mine was $70 nice and blessed to he went and got it for me him and the boys went and got it for me and we brought into the living room replaced my little trunk that's been flipped upside down for the last 13 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Put a real coffee table in it and immediately like it filled with a plant.
[SPEAKER_00]: It filled with Owen got stew this like some crazy animal horn because he thought he's like you could like drink meat out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what Stewart or what Owen bought Stewart for Christmas.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the most darling gift I have ever seen.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was so excited to give it to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we displayed the horn on the table.
[SPEAKER_00]: stacks of everybody's books, stacks of journal, candles, little figurines that we've collected, and we just filled the table with all these beautiful things that could be moved and shifted, and stacked and layered, and it was so,
[SPEAKER_00]: Lovely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every time I walk into that room, it makes me so happy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's cozy, maximalism, where people feel like you can curl up on the couch.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's a basket full of like meaningful blankets, you know, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do they match?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, are they white?
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely not.
[SPEAKER_00]: absolutely not.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love, you know, I as much as I love my French antiques and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty whimsical in the things that I also include in my house.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, silly silly things like on my on my cabinet here on one side.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a very very old like boostier from a theater costume.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and then on the other side.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a very old top hat just hanging from the door.
[SPEAKER_01]: with some fairy lights like just I for me I like the whimsical side of it with of maximalism that you can just include silly things that maybe don't have a purpose or you know in my living room there's I just have some photographs just taped to the wall just in a little cluster few postcards just I like the I think when you go into somebody's home who likes stuff you get to
[SPEAKER_01]: really well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you just I love looking at people's books looking at their coffee table.
[SPEAKER_01]: You see what interests them and yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Number two, though, the expected trend for this coming year is the functional pretty movement.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you heard about this?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: So things are supposed to be beautiful and useful.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's amazing if like the beautiful packaging came back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think about like the Victorian Edwardian era.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like think about when things were actually beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just for this sake of being beautiful, but now we're looking at
[SPEAKER_01]: a trend towards function.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is more more in the vein of having books that you actually read versus books that fit your aesthetic that you just stack up to look a certain way.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why how I kind of interpret this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Like when Joanna gains comes in at the end of the show and it pops a few fake house plants and some books on the shelf.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, but really yeah, I think that's kind of what it's getting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, like let functional pretty and personality.
[SPEAKER_00]: like personality kind of letting that come through.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think what is beautiful to you and your home is going to be slightly different than what's beautiful to me in mind, which is going to be slightly than what's beautiful to somebody else.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so like when you've curated your home to be something to be beautiful and useful to you, that's where your personality comes.
[SPEAKER_00]: to me, that's like, that's fun stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, looking at, like, you were saying, looking at somebody's art collection or looking at somebody's book collection or looking at somebody's kitchen tells you a lot about that person.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, look at this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Number three, didn't even bring that before we start.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
[SPEAKER_01]: We just emerged them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, maybe that goes back to what we were kind of trying to get at with those with that first bit of their conversation is like, if it's a personal style, go for it right sink in, but if it's a performance like the curated homemaker influencer, if it's a performance of the curation is that's or the cringe, I think where the cringe lies, I am totally guilty of this and I think part of it is just figuring out.
[SPEAKER_00]: what your personal style is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, you and I have been friends for almost as long as I have been a homemaker.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had only been married and kind of kept a rental home.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's more limited in what you can do there for a couple of years before you and I became friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: You, alternatively,
[SPEAKER_00]: I always say you came out the womb this way, like your style has been, you've known exactly who you are much earlier than I think a lot of people figure that out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of people are sort of trying to find what do I like, like, what aesthetic do I like?
[SPEAKER_00]: And how do I like to dress?
[SPEAKER_00]: And how do I like to speak?
[SPEAKER_00]: And how do I like to entertain myself?
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, what hobbies do I actually
[SPEAKER_00]: your home.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think women are kind of craving things that are real and things that are reflective of them because we get this awesome opportunity in the home to like actually reflect the type of person that we want to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: we get to put that on full display.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what makers.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, why was I saying that?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was, as far as the curated home maker, because I've tried to like, I went through the thing where I was like, I'm only going to wear dresses.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was during the beginning parts of the pocket.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going in to wear dresses.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I was like,
[SPEAKER_00]: But I thought, okay, try to be aesthetically to kind of do what you want to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: You should only wear dresses.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, because that's, I guess, what I thought people were saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I just thought that those two things had to be associated.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and sometimes you probably didn't even necessarily have the thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it's just the exposure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it just kind of happens, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: you go back through and I think about watching like wartime farm in Victoria and fireman and boarding fireman like the every season oops sorry hit my my my every new season Ruth is dressed in very traditional woman's clothing right I don't think it's even to wartime farm where she she might wear it her little pantaloons when she's in the garden I can't remember
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, you just take in this aesthetic, you take it in, you take it in, you take it in and it does impact.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think like Joanna Gaines is a great example about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if people don't love her style, it has a way of infiltrating.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're just sort of subconsciously taking it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I really like number four.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Number four is the return.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, can you hear that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Number four is the return of good enough how making.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it looks like this is already huge on TikTok, which is interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do not have TikTok, but I don't have TikTok either.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rejecting perfection culture.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, simpler meal planning, realistic, cleaning routines,
[SPEAKER_00]: I do feel this is we're walking a line here because we're walking a line here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you're right, we, but we always tell people, like, no, make it fancy, why the candle?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, yeah, but, okay, yes, do that, but it's not your identity as a homemaker.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's, I mean, again, like say that, that is in the habit you're in, you're the candle lighter, you're the meal planner, the menu planner, you do set the table, yeah, and then
[SPEAKER_01]: There's an illness in the family or something causes you, some out, some stressor causes you to have to break with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, and then you are simple meal planning or you're using paper plates or you don't have time to rearrange the furniture and express yourself in the home because you're in survival mode.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess what I just would want to say is like that is not a reflection on you as a homemaker.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not that these things make the homemaker.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Many of these things are wonderful to do, and we talk about them, we encourage doing them to keep, to keep interest.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if you're feeling, because there's the other side of the pendulum, too, is like the dull drums of home making, the monotony, you know, and we often talk about making things beautiful, or making things more special to break that monotony.
[SPEAKER_00]: So good enough home making to me this looks like, I think I shared this last season that right now, I am planning about 36 hours of food at a time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I used to do a month at a time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not the season for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just put it on a sticky note.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's as complicated as breakfast, lunch, dinner, breakfast the next day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do I know what I'm accounting for with all of these?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like super, super simple.
[SPEAKER_00]: And very, very like you mentioned realistic cleaning routines.
[SPEAKER_00]: So gone are the days of, you know, having six hour chunk of time to just really detail clean the house that's like just not where we are right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I used to love those days.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was kind of like the kids would wake up from an app and then it'd be like, yeah, Friday, midday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you could say, you want to watch a movie?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I get another two hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's like a four hour chunk of time where you can get your house all clean for the weekend and no, that's not, I really, really, really struggled to keep the house clean.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I clean it all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do too.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's shocking.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do too.
[SPEAKER_00]: We homeschooled our kitchen table or our dining room table.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the only area that we have.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are people eating all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I must wash 40 mugs a day right now with how much tea people are drinking.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, with the tea in the mugs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And people think it's fun to like wrap the tea bag string around the handle of the
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, well, that's really one for me to take that off of 30 mugs.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's your work just gets undone quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you just have to be realistic.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just got to be realistic about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's what I'm telling myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm telling myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's craft one or two more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, craft revival.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love this.
[SPEAKER_00]: This in a non-ironic way, in a non-cut.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I have a non-ironic thing to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Craft revival, not okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the bullet points here are sewing basics, visible, mending, hand stitching, knitting, crocheting, homemade decor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things I did over break,
[SPEAKER_01]: was like, got up one morning and I just thought, you know, I live in no man's land.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really hard to find anything repair-wise and I just googled sewing machine repair for about an hour and a half from here down in Green Bay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I found a guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was my day to go grocery shopping.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I pulled up to this house, dropped my machine off, got it cleaned up, tuned up, did my grocery shopping, went to target bought a new table, because I was like, look, I'm not thrift in a
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all set up and I'm gonna go back to sewing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I've sold anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have not made a garment in years.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't remember the last time I knocked together a curtain probably three or four years.
[SPEAKER_01]: And my girls are kind of like, whew.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's going on down there?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then speaking of some of the good things that Instagram can do, I found a, you know, how like UK home in garden does those courses learn how to be an interior designer.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, well, they have one or one of those sort of brands like that has one for alterations.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the idea of knowing how to do my own alterations just makes me like unfire, so I'm going to take that and learn how to tailor my blazers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a great trend to come back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's so wonderful.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in your three of working on my scarf.
[SPEAKER_00]: I bought this really beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it a body scarf?
[SPEAKER_00]: This really beautiful yarn right when COVID hit because I was like we're all going to be trapped inside and I bought knitting needles of every size and it was this like incredible yarn but it's teeny tiny it's like very thin and so the amount of stitches that you have to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: with super thin yarn, you know, you're using small needles, you're using a ton of net.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be like, it's going to be really beautiful when it's done, but I think the appeal to this is for people to keep their hands busy doing something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and to send those characters and not as he flaws in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and there are things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, my substock for the new year was on my two words that I picked for the year.
[SPEAKER_01]: And one of them was analog and so you can say, where am I watching?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very much now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I really feel like going back to sewing was part of that and this ongoing analog process for me because this idea of sitting down and doing something with my hands, creating something, something that's a little bit, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, sewing is crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not saw.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a cost friendly.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's, you know, not anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's just, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember, like, in my heyday when I was sewing, I felt like it had that rhythm of being in the kitchen and the more you do it, then you're, it's intuitive and you're like anticipating the next move or the result or consequence of the next move and I just like that's got to be good for your brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my mom, bless her, bought me a box, a box of 12 journals for Christmas and a new package of pins.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, Stuart and I didn't do gifts this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't do gifts with anywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that this was my Christmas gift was these 12 journals girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a journal for prayers.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got a journal for home projects.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got a journal for Italian.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got a journal for love it cooking stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got a journal for everything and I have been sitting very slowly in the morning when I'm I read through my Bible when I'm having my coffee and I've been writing my prayers out and just handwriting them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that practice is like, like you said, there's got to be something about this that's good for the brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, how often do you pray and your mind wanders?
[SPEAKER_00]: You start thinking about the things you get lost and thought you're just rambling on.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're maybe not really paying attention.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you have like right out pages and pages, your hand starts cramping.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to be careful about what, how much you're going on and on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And writing even like that is a craft that people don't really think about any more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Practicing your handwriting even thinking about sentences long enough and holding them long enough to slowly write them out, you know, learning a language could be a craft revival.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even so that's a really fun one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's finish this out with number seven.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so glad this is coming back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, kid, I like a kitchen nostalgia.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, please.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this includes psych.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, handmade little pieces, mugs or more bowls or things, hand painted things, quirky things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we have a very quirky collection of mugs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it delights me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love to have what a core from quirky collection of mugs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even things like retro inspired appliances people are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Seeking out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, you know, there was like that big trend of just like stainless steel get you that stainless steel and get you those granite countertops and I think people are looking for a bit more flavor little home flavor in the kitchen so like.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see a lot of people putting their food out now, bowls of apples or putting their flower in canisters or something like that, having these things kind of exit easily accessible, whereas before it was like, hide all the food, hide everything that you use, the only thing left out would be, you know, your kitchenator, something on the counter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: This, this is a fun one to me, warning, unless this is your style.
[SPEAKER_00]: This can go, this can go bad granny a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: It can go bad granny and it's, I mean, I have a very cozy kind of old fashion kitchen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything is out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot to clean.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot to say in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm kind of in between both.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have nearly as much out in my kitchen as you do, but I have like two cupboards total.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have to be very pragmatic about how things are put away, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't have any cupboards.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why I think everything's out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you actually use your kitchen, you have to be realistic about, oh, you have to be realistic.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just put it that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: and get aggressive about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But copper is back, floral, linen, I'm all about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I do think people, I think those things make people happy.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're very human, they're very human things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, ladies.
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