[SPEAKER_01]: You know what that sound is, Tommy?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got you got there.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the sound of crashing and burning.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in this show, we're going to be talking about two different topics that have a common theme.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so we're going to talk about some of the cars is here that kind of crashed and burned, as well as some cars that are dying this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: And therefore, might be a good buy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, both of these categories of cars could be something that, if you're out there shopping for a new car, you might want to consider, because the crash and burn are in selling.
[SPEAKER_01]: first there's a reason for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the cars that are going away are going away.
[SPEAKER_01]: So dealer's want to get them off the lot so they can also be gone and be discounted.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you want to start with crash and burns.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so these are cars that that you know, I think we're highly anticipated or very controversial and then when they finally hit the market just kind of landed with a bit of a dud.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the obvious one which we should start at with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's start with the crash and burns.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first one that we have on our list, you actually went and reviewed.
[SPEAKER_01]: You went on the program.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you want to spill the beans on that one?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think that the Dodge Charger is kind of the big obvious one, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's the fully electric Dodge Charger Daytona, which really involving blanche this year, and then immediately,
[SPEAKER_03]: kind of started sitting on lots and had to be discounted in a in a big way.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the mistake that Dodge made is of course the launches car as the full electric only.
[SPEAKER_03]: They saw the reaction the electric car and then they really pushed hard to get the gasoline model out as soon as possible.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the car I just went and checked out what was it last month.
[SPEAKER_03]: In the case of the night went to Detroit for roadkill nights and got got some time in the new gasoline charger because the electric one just didn't didn't find an audience.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so first of all, let's start with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a very good looking car.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Garalfin is team did a great job in styling it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that little wing on the front, which by the way isn't there if you get the gas version.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you get the so-called six pack, the six cylinder, but I think it's just a very, very good car.
[SPEAKER_01]: I finally got to drive it with my man Cole who's behind the computer there.
[SPEAKER_01]: maybe a few weeks ago, it'll be month ago at the our map annual get together.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is me driving it and I actually like the car from a design point of view.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a handsome car and I think the problem is with this car as coal pointed out because I was looking for a hook literally you'll get that reference in a second for the video.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like trying to sell hooks to fish.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just don't want it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the audience for this, there's not a line of electric cars.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, and that was the obvious kind of head scratcher with this.
[SPEAKER_03]: The crowd for the old charger and charger, V8 models, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And talking, RTSRT, Hellcat, all the old crowd, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: They, with every bone in their body, hated electric cars, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: That was the anti-test of crowd through and through.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then Dodge launches, their new,
[SPEAKER_03]: performance, coop, and today, and as the electric version first, which was a huge mess, and like I understand the performance is actually very good, especially compared to like is there to 16 in the real world this car would kill an old health cac, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: All we'll drive, it had a lot of horsepower is there to 16 at about 3.1 seconds, so it mean it was a very impressive performer, but
[SPEAKER_03]: At the end of the day, it was still an electric car.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're trying to sell it to Burnout, love in the Americans, and that just was not going to work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there was an obvious precursor to this, that if Dodge had been paying attention, I think they were kind of locked into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think people, even at the company, knew that this thing was going to be a rough sell.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when you think about the crowd that buys,
[SPEAKER_01]: American muscle cars, specifically Dodge cars, it's the same crowd that buys Harley's, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And Harley tried the same thing with the live wire.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that didn't then well either.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, it's the sound and the experience of the internal combustion is such an essential key ingredients at this pie that it doesn't have.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, the interesting thing is like, Dodge had been planning from the get-go to offer gasoline models alongside the Daytona, and they basically rush to get those out.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's not official, but we all know that the V8's gonna end up back in the charger.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me baby.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so case and I went to Michigan to check out the Inline 6 version, which comes in in two different versions.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a low and high output.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's 420 and 550 horsepower.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that is more on the right track, especially when you keep in mind the performance of that vehicle, the fact that standard oil driver think is a nice improvement over the old one.
[SPEAKER_03]: The interior quality feels really good and it'll hold the four by each in a plywood.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's that big.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that this is the right car for America.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just think they should have put the V8 in it before the hurricane.
[SPEAKER_03]: But this was under that I mean what we're seeing that is all of the remnants of the old
[SPEAKER_03]: So you kind of have three areas, right, in the modern age.
[SPEAKER_03]: You had the FCA era, which was Marqueone and Manley, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: That was Hellcat, everything era.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then under the Atlantis, we had the new guy, Tavaris, who was killed all the V-8s.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, and you can understand if he's coming from a European perspective and he was looking at emissions and and you're a laws that made sense, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: But that never made sense for America.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even even when Cafe was still a thing Americans just love V8.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he killed all the V8.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those are the cars that we've been seeing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that was like Ari Choram.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was electric charger, the electric wagon here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think to some extent was under him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now that we're under a new era of stylastic leadership.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, really an old area.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're going to start to see a lot more VHs, but the product cycles are long enough right dead where it's not going to happen overnight.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this car probably started design process eight, 10 years ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's going to take some time for that stuff to come back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I think you made two really good points.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first point is if you love American muscle and you love American sedans, this is a big car.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to underestimate, especially the fordore, how big this car is.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a true American sedan, and because it's so long and so big, and actually so heavy with the battery, it rides really well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the thing is, you say especially the fordore, do the same size.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the two the two are in the four door had the same profile and roof line.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for correct me, but you missed my bigger point.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the biggest rise really well?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it does.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it just has a really great ride and the same way of freight train rides really well and remember it's got a lot of masks Yes, which is fine, freight trains are comfortable, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, the other point here is you can get this car at a bargain, not the gas one, but if you want the electric one, especially if you get one before the end of the month, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: September is when all the credits go away.
[SPEAKER_01]: And here in Colorado, you know we get the 7500.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you also get the $4,000 state credit and, you know, I've seen these things starting at least at like $3.99, $2.99 a month and that's really cheap considering if this is an $80,000 car, if you don't get the base model.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, so I was looking at the, they discontinued the RT because that one wasn't selling it all as the Daytona.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure it's still out there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you can still find it out there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Last time I checked a few weeks ago, you could pick up an RT if you've traveled to someplace like Wyoming where they really don't want them.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can roll out before tax and fees at like $39,000, $38,000.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're still dealing with a car to zero to 16, five seconds, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: You still get the big battery, you still get all the old drive.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think the RT2 you can pay to have upgraded to more power.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it's the same electric motor from the fast one to the, to the, the better on the stack, scat pack.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's a lot of car.
[SPEAKER_03]: The scat packs were like, they were marked down like 12ish grants.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they were like, I saw more than that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even like 15, I saw.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the least deals were good, but the problem with the least deals like you can lease them for 150 a month, I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's a tiny, tiny mileage.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like 5,000 miles a year.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the least deals don't really make sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just some of the things I'm going to drag strip and just, you know, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the way to do this, plus they launched it with that Frat Sonic sound, which is a mistake, because people like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the whole, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the other point I was going to make, and this is kind of these me to the second car coal, and you can look this second car up in the video I did from Goodwood, because we haven't talked about this while I'm going to surprise you with it, because this one has crashed and not burned yet, but the second point I want to make is I fear in the auto industry, and this is over and over again, you only have one shot of making a first impression.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if that first impression is bad, it's really hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this is true for actually this one too, even with a six pack out, I think it's already kind of tainted with the whiff of electricity.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the car I'm talking about might be the biggest crash and burn of the British car manufacturing world.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm talking about?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: It hasn't burned yet, it has definitely crashed.
[SPEAKER_01]: The electric?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, come on.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, start to the J and turn the mirror.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the Jaguar.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Jaguar is zero zero prototype.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is a car that may be DOA dead on arrival.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have I have read and seen an interviewed people in the UK about this car and there is just so much hate so much hate already and you see it from anywhere from top gear where they just did a story where they interviewed like designers about the car
[SPEAKER_01]: And like professional car designers and they said that the thing is just slabsided and not resolved all the way to the people I interviewed and I actually like it I think it's actually really cool, but because it's a electric and because it is so way out there in terms of its design language, in terms of its Look people just wow hate it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is probably the most polarizing vehicle sense of cyber truck
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, and then you've got the baggage that kind of came with that rebrand that people hated as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: But to their credit, like, if they could produce this car that looks like this, I do genuinely think it would be a very interesting design that doesn't exist, kind of the shooting break really long, really wide profile.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that there's a lot of potential here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've got a really controversial one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well let's let's talk about this one before you go to the controversial one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean they haven't built it yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: The word that I've heard is a smart marketing on their move would be to actually make it the next James Bond car.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think of the prototype 00 as the next James Boncar?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they can afford James Boncar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just make this spin their whole marketing campaign and getting this car into the next James Bonbovie.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a bad idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: I heard this on Chris Harris's podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that there's some loaded politics with that, though, because we don't know who the next James Bondas.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if the next James Boncar crashes and burns, then this car is going to crash and burn with the next James Boncar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they were saying that the Jaguar should forget about this and actually come out with like a V8 supercharged or powerful V8.
[SPEAKER_03]: That design was like the twin turbo V8 the JLR has been using from BMW.
[SPEAKER_03]: That would be pretty cool and I actually think that would get some love.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm not sure that as an EV, it's going to work.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's keep going.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's your controversial take?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you had the dead on arrival and I kind of liked that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I want to give you another one.
[SPEAKER_03]: And people are really going to throw things at me at this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm ready.
[SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that the slate is dead on arrival.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's not that's big of a stretch.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you why.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, it's a truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: So sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very, we're in truck world.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's also an SUV.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, the problem with the slate is that's a two-door.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they never did.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't, they didn't, they do their research, like, I can't think of, we bought the two-door defender for $53,000, and we traded it, traded, and that sold it six months later for $10,000 less, because nobody wants a two-door.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that, I mean, you could say that that's a little land-over-problem, but the four-door defenders consistently with the same mileage hold the value pretty well and the two doors absolutely tanked.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the Jeep world, in the Wrangler world, like three out of four Wranglers are the unlimited, the four doors, or maybe more of a negative 50% low.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's a 4% low.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same thing with the Bronco.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, this, this two doors, just not practical.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, this is, this is, calling out everybody in, in the audience.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody who's a car enthusiast claims they want a Tudor.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean that's that I see it in comments, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's not a real Jeep.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's got four doors, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, a Broncos got to have two doors, but then when you look at the actual hard sales numbers People do not buy Tudors.
[SPEAKER_03]: They do not buy it because they're just in practical.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're hard to live with.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have spouses and partners and you had a couple of two doors wranglers, how's it getting in that back?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's paid in the butt.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is a paid in the butt.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, I love this concept, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: But there's a reason, like,
[SPEAKER_03]: All the two to our small trucks are pretty much dead, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't get I don't think you can get a you can't get a two to a ranger You can get a two to a coma when's the last time you saw one?
[SPEAKER_03]: I've literally only seen James one two to my friend James as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ever yet our friend James He had a look high and low and wide and deep-defined And pick up people don't buy them say things with Colorado same thing with canons, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you can get a Nissan in a two to a door, but if you can't have never seen one
[SPEAKER_01]: So here's my take on this, and this is interesting, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about bargain.
[SPEAKER_01]: So how is this a bargain?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right now, they've just taken basically reservations, $100 by the way, Andre had, I think, two of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he got so mad, because they didn't invite us to the official launch of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they had a pre-launch where you could shoot it without all the people around.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he'll grumpy, huh?
[SPEAKER_01]: He got all grumpy and he basically pulled the plug.
[SPEAKER_01]: He pulled the plug on his two reservations.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Take that base of $200 less for you, Bezos.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's $200 you don't have now.
[SPEAKER_01]: We still have a reservation.
[SPEAKER_03]: We still haven't pulled it, but I love the concept of a sub $30,000 new vehicle.
[SPEAKER_03]: But there's two reasons that it's dead rival.
[SPEAKER_03]: Actually three.
[SPEAKER_03]: Two or only.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Be the tax credits going away.
[SPEAKER_03]: We should talk about that?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, not yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have, I don't want to talk about that again.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I want to talk about it in terms of the loophole that there may be a bargain here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about that in a sec.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the third reason I don't think this is going to work is it's, it's two basic.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is another one where people claim day in and day out that they want the basic cars.
[SPEAKER_03]: Every single car dealer I've talked to.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we have a lot of the friends now that run car dealerships.
[SPEAKER_03]: Every single one says they cannot sell base model anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we've got our friend Steve.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's your fleet.
[SPEAKER_03]: In Pennsylvania, he was talking about how he's a hard time selling the base models, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: People.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's your fleet.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's your fleet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, fleets are a kind of another thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And maybe this is a work with fleets.
[SPEAKER_03]: But people come in and then they want the features.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ryan Johnson, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Johnson's.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why don't they have cheap cheapes I asked them?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because no one buys a cheap cheap.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had mine that we actually at accidentally ordered two.
[SPEAKER_03]: They had a base model Wrangler.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody bought it for like six months.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's interesting how people like to have electric windows.
[SPEAKER_01]: You would think that this is something for a cheaper car that they could do without, but no.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the reality.
[SPEAKER_01]: People like electric windows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you look like electric windows.
[SPEAKER_03]: When it comes to actually by vehicles, not as fantasizing as car enthusiasts, put them on the money down.
[SPEAKER_03]: People want a radio and people want power windows.
[SPEAKER_01]: How about central door locking, which you didn't have either?
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a pandemic.
[SPEAKER_03]: This might have that.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so here's the loophole.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the IRS has basically said that if you have a binding contract on an electric vehicle, you can get the $7,500 tax rebate.
[SPEAKER_01]: If it's a binding contract, which means that you've actually put money down or you have traded a car right on something.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the idea is let's say that the car you want isn't at the dealership right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's an electric vehicle.
[SPEAKER_01]: but it's coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you sign a binding contract or if you trade in your car, which is also a binding contract, so money or things have exchanged at hands, then you can get that vehicle with the $7,500 tax credit at the new vehicle you ordering, and they haven't put it like a time on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So potentially you could get it in
[SPEAKER_01]: October, November, December, January, they may close out of the loophole, but you know, with this, if Slate decided to turn that reservation into a binding contract, you could potentially still get that $7,500.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think they're going to do that because they don't even have pricing for.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're pretty far.
[SPEAKER_03]: They do have pricing.
[SPEAKER_01]: like pricing that they're going to stick with and because at that point it's a price that you're going to pay when you have a mining contract.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's, that is a potential bargain buy here if that loophole is usable for this vehicle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're too far out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's keep going.
[SPEAKER_03]: So last thing I want to say about Slate, they do want them to work because I think the design of the concept is awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: But what they need to do, if I would get a professorial here, not that I know what I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: But if I was Slate, I would take this design
[SPEAKER_03]: Give it two more doors and then put a Toyota four cylinder under the hood something Seriously something small and basic that's going to run till the end of time and sell it for 30,000 dollars.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would do what the i3 did at that point just put like a motorcycle and just two confusing people Don't understand people don't understand it.
[SPEAKER_03]: We could arrest just get rid of the battery thing all together Just a four cylinder two leader naturally aspirated engine that will last till the end of time
[SPEAKER_03]: Go find the Toyota 22-R-E.
[SPEAKER_03]: They sure they still have the bit still lying around.
[SPEAKER_03]: Put that under the hood, and this thing would be a massive leapop of the car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Make it a wreck, call it the slacks.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, horrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Moving on to the next one.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, the one that, of course, is probably the biggest crash in burn.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say at least of the decade, it might be as a century as a cyber truck.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, so in our last car-ish podcast, like Scott will solve it, it will solve in law.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kind of compared it to the Prius, but the better comparison is the Aztec, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just it's too polarizing and now it's too political.
[SPEAKER_01]: Except the Aztec, you didn't have the CEO picking figures in the presidential race.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that would have hurt the Aztec potentially even more.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I really do think if the politics thing hadn't happened
[SPEAKER_03]: It's actually it's a pretty good product like it does a lot of stuff really really well I'm one of the only people that actually likes the cyber truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm waiting for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would buy it again I'm waiting you know ours was a hundred thousand we sold it in the nick of time for like 80 thousand I think oh 90.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was like 85 or 90
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we didn't suffer that much.
[SPEAKER_01]: We lost like 20 candidates.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say we sold it for 82 before.
[SPEAKER_03]: In three minutes, we had that thing for like two weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Before, yeah, luckily, because now we'd be selling it for like 42.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we lost, you know, like 20 candidates.
[SPEAKER_01]: But while we had it, I really enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I liked all the features.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it actually worked pretty well as a cyber car, not necessarily as a cyber truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you look at, if you think about it as a car with a giant trunk that does a lot of things that a truck would do, I think in that regard,
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be a much more palatable vehicle for many people, sure, but yeah, I mean, you know, you can go down the list of all the issues quality.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, a price.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Weird stainless steel issues.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think for most people, it's just a design.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just too weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's too ugly.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're steering wheel looking at the video.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think that the engineer is great.
[SPEAKER_03]: The steer by wires proven it was okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Until you see that guy took it on the Rubicon trail.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I saw that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Snaped like three Tyros and then had to be rescued.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that wasn't a great look for the side of the truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not meant that there's a lot of cars you could take on the Rubicon trail and do the same thing Yeah, I just decide for track.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think even a Rivian, which is smaller and has a lot more ground clearance We'd have a hard time going on the Rubicon trail because that's that's a very hard court trail.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it is so I'm but I just like
[SPEAKER_03]: I honestly think that the power trades really good, the supercharging, it's pretty good.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what's interesting is they haven't come down in price, they've got that basic one now that's like... Well, use a half.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, used.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But do they're still like 70, okay, even if you want the basic one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or they stick to all the parts of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Classic Tesla.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so you're going to start at $39,000.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was also bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: The basic one starts 70.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just think it's just too weird, too polarizing, it's too politicized now and it's I do think that you're right though, it would be a great use bargain in like three, four years.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you could pick one of these up for 15, 20,000 dollars.
[SPEAKER_01]: I buy new ones for 50K right now, if they sold the new ones for 50K, not a try.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't get the try motor problematic, you want to real, it's got two real lockers, the dual motor, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So mechanical lockers, not these electronic lockers, which are problematic.
[SPEAKER_01]: and it's got air suspension so you can lift it, it's got four wheel steering, it's guys steer by wire, it's got that giant trunk, I think they also took away the sliding tan on cover off the basic one, which was great, but the basic one's only single motor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was great because I went to make up my friend Steve and he had always luggage, we threw him in the back and started raining and it got stayed nice and dry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a it's a useful vehicle.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not just not a 70k.
[SPEAKER_03]: What are you going to do with a single motorcyber truck off road though?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's useless.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so the basic one is kind of an interesting idea, but it's so when you get to when you get to do the motor round of 50, call me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, give it three, three months.
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be down there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the rumors are that there's like 10,000 of these sitting around, the last story about it was that the US Air Force wants to use in photography and practice.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're all those 10,000 cyber trucks that got made and didn't get sold.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where are they?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are they just rusting or not rusting somewhere?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand the steel.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that does help with the rest preventing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Prooding.
[SPEAKER_01]: Corroading.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are they sitting in some giant parking?
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, Tesla.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just move them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of moving, there's another one that's a little bit older, but it's still a crash in Berlin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, I'm talking about the Fiskar Ocean.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep, that was more like 2024, those crashed, but the stories behind those are pretty wild where people were paying $50,000, $60,000 for.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now you can pick one up for $11 or $12,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the unsold inventory was bought by a medical leasing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a name of the company.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they bought it, like, I think, anywhere from like 3 to 15K depending on the condition of the vehicle.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then now they're being, I guess they're running all over New York.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're being least or rented or sold to Uber drivers who are using a mass taxis in New York.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is the new New York tax, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I really do think if they had come out with a small relatively affordable truck look, Rivian did, they probably would still be around, but just having another blobby overpriced and relatively unreliable crossover just wasn't the move, and they didn't have the dealer network in place, that yeah, it was
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a little bit half done in the fiscroche.
[SPEAKER_03]: To the credit, I mean, I can't believe that they got those things out the door, you know, building a car, any car is such a monumental task.
[SPEAKER_03]: So credit, we're credits who they got that done.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it did have some cool features, like all of the windows go down, even the little quarter windows.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's one around that, rather a bolder with the quarter windows down, always, which I think it's cool California, but the California, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: and it didn't have like the screen at the twisty thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like there were some cool little gimmicks in the car, but it didn't really move the needle beyond what Tesla or Hyundai are forward or Volkswagen are doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now the next two are kind of in the process of crashing and maybe burning a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course talking about Porsche, so Porsche has come out with two electric vehicles.
[SPEAKER_01]: the macon or do you say macon and of course the tycon and these are two very good products but they're kind of they got their problem of like rake car wrong time or perhaps rake car too expensive so let's start with the macon macon they were going to
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, this is one of the most popular models, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So they were going to electrify it because of what's happening in Europe.
[SPEAKER_01]: So in Europe, we're off with the Trump administration.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are, of course, off the everything's going electric timeline.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in Europe, they still have to basically, especially like in places like the EU, everything has to be electrified by 2035.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so this is why Porsche is rushing ahead with electric vehicles, because the
[SPEAKER_01]: governments are saying that you won't be able to sell internal combustion engines, but the problem with this car, and I like it, I like the design of it, I think it's, I'm never driven, I'm actually going to go drive it in two weeks up in aspirin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I think it's a very handsome car, I think it's got a lot of upside, you know, the cool thing about these is Porsche always under promises and overperformed, exactly the opposite of what Tesla did with the cyber trucks, so I'm expecting the range to be much higher.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tom over at what's Tom's channel and Kyle both did a range just on the Tycon and it first began like 300 and they both got like 360 miles of range I'm expecting the same thing with this but they're just too expensive you know I don't know if this is a car that's like $80,000
[SPEAKER_01]: 90 depending on, of course, if you get the turbo or the 4S.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's a lot of money for a car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's a pretty small, for a mid-sized crossover.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a compact more like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a pretty small crossover.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm just worried that it's not going to sell because right now we're not in a moment of time where electric cars are
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the bigger concern for Porsche isn't they they also now have a electric cayenne, which is just around the corner the 70 we'll talk about that a second No, not not came in cayenne SUV right that he's at a good with as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I mean
[SPEAKER_03]: I just think that it's in the U.S.
[SPEAKER_03]: specifically maybe it's different.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how it's doing in Europe.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a telling any EV right now is a uphill battle.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the plus side like you're talking about tycons too, struggling a little, use tycons are pretty good values, although I heard they're bouncing up a little bit again.
[SPEAKER_03]: They kind of...
[SPEAKER_03]: They kind of taped and then they're coming up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they kind of, I mean, you could get them as cheap as $50,000 if you got not the terrible, but if you got the base.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, potentially maybe even less than that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you get a base client, uh, tycon, what's the newest, same problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: The newest tycon's are like 180, 200,000 and if they have the same depreciation curve as the previous generation, why would you buy a new one?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why wouldn't you just wait for somebody else to take the depreciating hit?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's exactly right.
[SPEAKER_01]: When I say that, I mean, you don't have to wait a long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did they've been out a while now so you can wait six months to a year and you could pick yourself up a tie-com, probably for 20, 30, 40% less.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember Lucid Grand Touring.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw one that had 4,000 miles on it with six months old.
[SPEAKER_01]: 135 new, they were selling it for 65.
[SPEAKER_01]: 50% discount in six months with 4,000 miles on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: The best deal out there though is the number city's EQS.
[SPEAKER_03]: the big egisodan thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not much of a looker, but you can, that was like a 120, 130 new one I drove in and you can pick up an EQS used.
[SPEAKER_03]: There it is, little nerdy Tommy.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can pick up that car now for like $29 or $30,000.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and you know that's a, so the design is horrible, but the way that car drives is phenomenal.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the interior is beautiful.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, except for the, except for the die, no, the hyper screen's bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you, so they had to avoid the hyper screen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then the 415, the 580, uh, this one I think is a 580.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it does have the hyper screen, but if you get the 480, you just get a normal size screen, and that's the one you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we know that all the EQs have crashed and burned, uh, because Mercedes is announced to do not building any more EQs.
[SPEAKER_01]: for America, they're still at the irony that they're actually built here, so they're exporting and queues, they're exporting and queues to the rest of the world, but the biggest one that kind of crashed in Burn and can be a
[SPEAKER_01]: budget by is what Tommy which one which Mercedes EQ, the G. Yeah, but they're still pretty expensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, but that's not that cheap.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's another one that is not selling Mercedes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And somebody at one of the executives in a recent news report actually said that it's not selling.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's one that if you want to do, I mean, maybe the one you got is the electric one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: What I really like which is very underrated is the EQB.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's for the little bread bread bread band that's on our list of ones that are going away.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I really like that EQB.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's actually holds a lot of stuff and like I said, you can pick them up for like 35 or 30 times.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why, though, because they're very good.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're really comfortable.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have pretty good range.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're really good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I think you could do better in the real world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, the problem I believe with any electric car right now is that they're all too expensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: The reason that the Chinese are doing so well with the BYD dolphin and the seagull and the walrus, whatever the hell else they have that's a quite a clean or avian themed is because they're affordable.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the latest dolphin is now down to like $12.5,000 and $12.5,000 is Tommy.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you could build a car, not like a slave, but actually a real sedan, because I've seen, I was in Japan, I saw the dolphin up close.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you could sell a car for $12.5 to $15,000, they would fly off the shelf.
[SPEAKER_01]: All those people were like, I'll never go to an EV would immediately be buying dolphins.
[SPEAKER_01]: I personally believe that's my hot take.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: For $12.5,000.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it only when 80 miles?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, they don't call it Gold 150.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure that's enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gold would you buy electric car for $150 for $12.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you had a garage, you said yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so the other car, I think that is also been a little bit of a dud actually, um, and this is not an EVC's gas car is the, uh, wagginger and grand wagginger.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sure that those have worked as well as you was hoping.
[SPEAKER_03]: They tried to kind of target that really upper and luxury segment with those, those products.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a theme here, there's two themes, electrification and price.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm just too expensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I remember the last grandwagon here that I test real was 130,000.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which is nuts for a Jeep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like if you're going to take on the suburban and if you're going to take on Escalade, you got to bring more than just a big, you know, six cylinder turbo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, great six turbo in the hurricane.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got, you got to bring it, dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to bring it because people, people love their slaves.
[SPEAKER_01]: They love their suburbans.
[SPEAKER_03]: Slades, not Slades.
[SPEAKER_01]: Slades.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, with a D. Slades.
[SPEAKER_01]: No one has a Slate yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They love their Slades.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, I'm trying to be cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: They love their escalates.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so if you're going to take on that, because that has such a connotation and such a reputation, be a good or bad, it says something about you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be more than, like I say, $130,000 straight-six terminal.
[SPEAKER_03]: That car was actually.
[SPEAKER_03]: Would you go on that launch with me cold?
[SPEAKER_03]: The escalate IQ.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's average to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that was you.
[SPEAKER_03]: That thing's actually pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Coolness about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I also think that the wagon here is just in this weird spot where it's not really off-roady, but it also doesn't seem ultra-logy, and it's definitely not affordable.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you kind of end up in this weird middle ground where it doesn't really do anything all that well for the specialty for the price.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, how about the wagon, your S, the electric one?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, that's a, that's a kind of pressure burn.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mess, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: The car is actually, that's one of the quickest cars of driven all year.
[SPEAKER_03]: The way that, we didn't even, we had the five and horse power version not the 600, the way that thing out accelerates everything on the road is unbelievable, but there's just no compelling reason to buy one.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm being surprised is me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get that, like us when I say us, I mean, us current
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm shocked that just how many people now who have never considered themselves car enthusiasts like your mom, like some other people I know I don't want to name names, that might get me in trouble, how much they love how quick electric cars are.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard it over and over again when people get in an electric car, the first thing that they love is just how fast it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I should take quick if I'm being more precise with my language.
[SPEAKER_03]: So should we move on to the cars that have, uh, yeah, let's go.
[SPEAKER_03]: So car driver wrote up this list and these are our cars that have died, but you wanted to restructure this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want to talk about cars that are dying, but there might be potential, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: A bargain because the dealers are, you know, making way now for the 20, 20, sixes are already some already in the lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just talking to my man Ryan over at, uh, Johnson.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they've already got a lot of 20, 26 trucks on the lot and so let's get these 20, 25s out the door and let's move them and the first one on that list is the last Acura sedan Remember this Acura to add to the answer since it's beginning right the legend if you remember back in the day And then is it vigo or vigor was one of them bigger and now it's the TL like that's going away and it's actually a really good car Yeah, especially that type s. Yeah, with super-handling all-wheel drive
[SPEAKER_03]: Kind of like a budget M3, and it's got the transfer planning on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's all real dry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that car with those looks phenomenal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even a standard T-Lex.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they're killing all the actors to dance.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, that's the last one.
[SPEAKER_03]: What about the integrity?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: The integrity is the last thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's more of a hatchback.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's more of a hatch.
[SPEAKER_01]: But true sedans.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, this list has two things in common.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sedans on the lecture.
[SPEAKER_03]: Both the TLX and the integrity are extremely good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like both of those a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the TLX and even case who doesn't like new cars very much said he loved the TLX.
[SPEAKER_03]: The type asked with that twin turbo V6.
[SPEAKER_03]: The all wheel drive system is good.
[SPEAKER_03]: really, really nice interior.
[SPEAKER_03]: The best steering wheel in the business.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's fun to drive.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's well made.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's gonna be pretty reliable.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is a big loss.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So when that car launched, it was very, very popular.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had a ton of interest around it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then that kind of just dried up overnight.
[SPEAKER_03]: It might be a future collectible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would bet some.
[SPEAKER_01]: The infotainment's kind of janky.
[SPEAKER_03]: Game of the damage terrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay, terrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's really bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not kind of janky.
[SPEAKER_03]: The whole touch pad thing is... What?
[SPEAKER_03]: But the car drives great.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not as sharp as in M3, but it's also way more comfortable.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be way better for a daily driver.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's probably going to be more reliable in the long run.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm very underrated.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a big loss.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that would be one that I would certainly go check out at the actor dealership if they have one.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, wheel and deal a little bit saying, hey, it's going away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me get this out of your hair and you can move on to the actually actors having a really hard time selling cars right now, they're struggling.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's next, Cole?
[SPEAKER_03]: Bring it on down.
[SPEAKER_03]: Audi A4.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, this isn't really going away.
[SPEAKER_01]: If being rebadged is A5, which is such a dumb rebrand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why are they doing that?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I drove the A5.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a really good car.
[SPEAKER_03]: But why not just call it the new A4?
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, why did they do this thing where like the odd ones were electric and the even ones were.
[SPEAKER_03]: Remember no, but I literally do this for a living and I have a hard time keeping track.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you how do you study and infinity have so confused the marketplace with their branding The people today don't know what the end Cadillac and Cadillac and Mercedes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially how do you and especially infinity
[SPEAKER_01]: when from M to Q and now the A4 is becoming the A5, it's just, it's just, it's a good car.
[SPEAKER_01]: I drove it, I drove the S5, I really liked it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So how do you use that terrible name, maybe?
[SPEAKER_03]: You'd have the 100 and the 2000 and the 5000 and no one understood it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then they went with,
[SPEAKER_03]: A1 through A and it made a lot of sense right that was that that was a guy who then went to cattle Yeah, they talked about that on Doug's podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um, but what was great about it is for a while there You knew an A4 was the four door right the A5 was the coupe two door the A6 was the four door Yeah, the A7 was the coupe-ish not anymore
[SPEAKER_03]: and then the AA was a forador, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So the odds were cooops and the evens were to sit down.
[SPEAKER_03]: But now it's just a mess.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then it was started to be a mess when they had those weird forador versions of the two doors, like the S5 with the forador.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was a mess.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would buy the S5.
[SPEAKER_03]: You liked that car that much, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would buy it if it wasn't for the S3.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so if you're going to get a sporty sedan, you might as well go for the smaller more lively one, which is the S3, but the S5 is one-half a car, and the regular A5 is also one-half a car.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's stylish.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, it's got all of those outie qualities that made the brand kind of the the it brand for a while until Tesla took over that crown, but they're starting to get some of their mojo back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why they're rebranding it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the A4.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, your mom had one.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been kind of a brand that has caché, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we can car it too.
[SPEAKER_03]: The current one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's just a solid little performer.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's really, really good.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's one actually I think is going to be missed.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, so Cole, let's, let's keep going.
[SPEAKER_03]: But A4, that's a big name plate that's dying.
[SPEAKER_03]: QA, E-tron.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is another car.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody understood it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it launched as the E-tron, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: This was a bunch of years ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: Remember you drove it like,
[SPEAKER_03]: God, that was, oh, it was, oh, it was for like six years ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was very good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Very over-engineered.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was very heavy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was very expensive.
[SPEAKER_03]: Very heavy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And very expensive.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then they face it recently and put the Q8 badging on it for some reason.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then they have a coupe version of that as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the bargain one to get is the oldy trine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are electric car bargains.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, those are really good cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you're wondering if you're very well-made.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want an SUV that gets close to like 280 miles or anything, that's a problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that they're really too old for.
[SPEAKER_01]: The early ones didn't have enough, but toward the end there, the trans guy likes a 250.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want one for like $25,000, $30,000, that is a car I would definitely look at.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, great cars.
[SPEAKER_03]: I even less than that, I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe less than the early ones.
[SPEAKER_03]: Standard eatrons really good QA.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure it's going to be too messed.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know the rarest one of this people don't know this car existed But they didn't ask QA e-tron.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they probably sold three of them But they have a tri-motor setup.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you know that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Did not know that one motor the front two in the back nobody knows it, but S QA D-tron Feature collectible.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll do not afraid of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're selectable.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right scroll down.
[SPEAKER_03]: Call us see what's next X4
[SPEAKER_03]: So this was a coupe version of the X-3s that started 10 years ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like coupe versions of the X-3s.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think these companies are realizing that they went a little too coupe SUV heavy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I don't think that the market really is there, especially for the lower end.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe like a X-6.
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, maybe that starts to make sense when you're looking at the ultra premium segment, but for the X4, who really wanted a less practical version of this thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's supposed to be for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the idea is like, if you're a young man or a woman and you've got a family and you've got some money, you get the X3 because it's got the regular, you know, fully realized hatch where you can get all your stuff in there, and then if you're like me and you're an empty nester, thank you for leaving us by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: then then you don't heat all that room and so you want the sporty crossover thing I always want the room Why would now want the right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially in the SUV yeah the same thing with the X2 never like that all right next Let's see the next XT4 okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is the small Cadillac crossover.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so here.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is really interesting because really this is gonna morph into the optic
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and then the X6 which is also XT6 is also going away.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to become the vistic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sort of kind of.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Cadillac is kind of gone in on an electric and they're getting rid of the, so I went on the launch of this a few years ago in Seattle seven, seven years ago was analogous and the problem with this vehicle, nothing wrong with it, but it was just kind of forgettable.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just another sort of unremarkable crossover.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fine, I mean, you had all the Cadillac goodies, but there was nothing about it that would, like, like, that would want to make me get all fizzy in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, I think that my thing with Cadillac, and I'm like a great realtor car for, yeah, two sun.
[SPEAKER_03]: I felt this was Cadillac for a bunch of years now, like,
[SPEAKER_03]: they're standard high volume cars, it kind of just get the Chevy or get the Buet version, but they're kind of the unique expensive versions like the Escalade, the Cadillacs are really good.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I've always liked the big Cadillacs, I've struggled with the small Cadillacs, except the new Optic, I really liked the new Optic, it's based on the Equinox EV.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's a lot of car for the money.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a really good car.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would say if you like traditional Cadillacs and you're a realtor in Tucson, go get yourself the next one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want you to go down one more because you're going to want a little bit more room when you're driving around.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll pretend you're clients.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're going to call a go down one more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which next one, go get yourself this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: XT6.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that way you've got more room for the families when you're driving around showing them houses.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the same basic problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: This was like, the problem with the XT6 is it kind of looked and screamed.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and actually I just drove the, uh, uh, Vistic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Vistic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's actually good.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, uh, Vistic V, I should say.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, the Vistic, the Vistic, uh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but in the Vistic, uh, the R. This was a very, I drove this car.
[SPEAKER_03]: This was Alex Lightman's very first press launch.
[SPEAKER_03]: We drove the same D.C.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did the four E to the six.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty dull.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a problem with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Pretty dull.
[SPEAKER_03]: Had a good third row though.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was with X D6's big party trick.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's had a pretty usable third row.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, kind of.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like we just saw this car coming in back to the office today.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like the Lexus TX.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like the TX.
[SPEAKER_03]: The TX is better though.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's going to even better third row.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, where it's luxurious.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, these are basically these are basically luxury minibans.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the door.
[SPEAKER_01]: If your kids go to a private school and you want to show up with something that's better than a Grand Highlander, then you go for the TX or in this case the XT6 but apparently.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or now you go for the Vistic.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good next T5 because that's always been a big seller to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: Chevy Malibu the what the hell they still built the Malibu.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had no idea they still built the Malibu If if you look the great thing about the Malibu is you can go rent it anywhere Yes, you don't even have to go to the deer you just go rent it and live with it for a few days Scroll down a little call.
[SPEAKER_01]: What if there was a thing it should do like I want you to go on to this car I thought that thing was that must have been a fleet only sale I think it's the last of the Chevy Sedans except for the Corvette
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's not a sedan sports car, but you see I'm saying that this they're done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Chevy like Ford now has done with sedan.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you could probably get yourself one of these at a highly discounted rate if you really want something that is cheap transportation that's been around.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's pre-sorted, you know, you're going to be completely invisible because people are going to think you just came from a rail car agency.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, started production in 2015.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what I'm going to want to do that is a great name.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, better name than car.
[SPEAKER_03]: Malibu, it was a good people mover, like it held quite a lot of stuff and it got people around.
[SPEAKER_03]: Next car, Cole.
[SPEAKER_03]: QX50.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_03]: So infinity is also a infinity.
[SPEAKER_03]: Infinity and accurate are both in trouble.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're going to have to snip, they got to the back.
[SPEAKER_03]: The QX50 is a car.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a card, didn't it didn't this have that turbo compression?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I think it had the variable compressor, which got a big lawsuit because people said that it didn't get the fuel economy.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I was supposed to get... I think the QX-55 member right now... Oh, I'm wrong about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could be wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't, don't sue us in infinity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'm wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was the issues with the thing where they quit.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, it's, it's, it's, there's a lawsuit around that engine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's leave it that.
[SPEAKER_01]: The QX-50 I think is the luxury rogue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's, that's what I have to say about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll more coming up, keep going, keep going.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ah, the QX55.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what do you got to say about that?
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a luxury road with less header.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's all I have to say about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a cool version of the QX50, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not even sure if that's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty, I think QX60 is a luxury pathfinder.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you want a luxurious road, you get a QX50 with, if you want an interesting, the one thing that is just about the car is it has one of the weirdest dances between turbo power and CVT wine.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've got like two dueling power trains because like it takes some time for the CVT to spool up and then it's fighting with the turbo and you get this kind of weird push pull sensation So if you want a weird push pull sensation in the luxury rogue you can get a QX like I think both infinity and accurate are really struggling to sell cars right now So if you want they just don't have a lot of brand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, hold on if you want you know a reliable
[SPEAKER_01]: sort of good car.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've got to go back here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got to go to infinity because those dealers are probably very bereath of customers right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they'd love to have you come in.
[SPEAKER_01]: by some of these cars.
[SPEAKER_03]: I actually think Acre has some cool stuff right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do, I'm not, and the X is really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: MDXRDX of course is really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they're still struggling with a lot of there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure Infinity has a lot of great cars, but they do have cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember what Infinity had, like, the really cool sedan?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they had, like, G35, G37, and then the IPL.
[SPEAKER_01]: Over the FX with the little shark Tee.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I was awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now that was something.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you could have a turbo rogue.
[SPEAKER_03]: The luxury rogue.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't actually get a turbo rogue now.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, not sure why you'd buy this, but if you want a bigger turbo in your rogue, you get the opportunity.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, Cole, what's next?
[SPEAKER_01]: Lexus RC.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is just long on the tooth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the RC is a very good car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Once again, we have a sedan, but it's been around for at least 10 years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want, I want on the racetrack in this car, is it had that kind of, the RCF, it had
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, the issue with the RC was Lexus has always had a hard time selling sports cars, except for the, even the hard times, like the LFA, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't sell.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Lexus is inevitably struggled selling sports cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've done really well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Most popular car, of course, is the RX.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the GX is a smash hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even the LX does well.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of their big crossovers slash SUVs, they do really well, but they really have a hard time.
[SPEAKER_01]: with sedans, even the, even James's car, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The, yeah, it's beautiful car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe one of the most beautiful cars you could buy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they can sell them for some reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just don't do well with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Lex is a hard, this isn't a sedan again.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a coupe.
[SPEAKER_01]: A coupe, sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you know what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: The RCF, I actually like this standard RCF, I think if you just want, that's kind of the standard RC's like a 1970s or 80s experience and that is like the last of the personal luxury coups.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a, it's a beautiful sleek design that's not really built to go fast, it's very comfortable.
[SPEAKER_03]: The RCF is kind of a mess.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never liked the RCF.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's as weird combination of four liter V8, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It does have a V8.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a five liter, I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I think that they're on a five liter V8.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's this terrible combination of being incredibly stiff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, wait, so what does James's car have?
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, the five liter V8.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't I keep thinking it's a four liter V8?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's the same as a car body.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's a let-no.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's the same as a car.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's the same place.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I always thought they were.
[SPEAKER_01]: You sure it's a five liter?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Am I that wrong?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting old.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: RCS.
[SPEAKER_01]: Doing it too long.
[SPEAKER_03]: It has this weird ability to be incredibly harsh, like driving a wheelbarrow, and yet also incredibly numb.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was actually very engaging and fun on the race track.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't like them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: 432 horsepower five later.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it had, you know, the Lexus reputation for quality.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, it's a well-made car.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they look pretty good, but they're just not very good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that it was too heavy.
[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't fast enough for the price.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was too firm and yet also incredibly numb.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the problem that Lexus has with their coops and all their sports cars is, it's the exact opposite that Alphoromeo has, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Alphoromeo builds these incredibly passionate,
[SPEAKER_01]: Coupes and sedans that just, you know, break down when the wind blows too hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so people get really engaged with them because they've got this, what's that Italian word for a love of life?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've known it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
[SPEAKER_01]: They're infused with this, just, you know, life, but when the quality comes along, it's not there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the two are kind of opposite in the spectrum.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you take a sports car and you make it, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect it just becomes boring.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well people are in love with the LFA.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the car everyone's in love with right now Yeah because because they that's got that formula They didn't build enough of them and you know everybody wants something that everybody wants to one of one and that's about as close in the Japanese world as you're gonna get to one of one Because the Japanese don't do like Ferrari limited production cars and that was the only one that they did
[SPEAKER_03]: So I would say get a standard RC, don't get the F, God don't get the Laguna Saga F. Remember that thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a horrible wing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think the LC fills that gap of a beautiful B, way more beautiful than this, and it's better to drive, and it's got a better exhaust note.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you walk into Alexis Dealer ship and you ask for this car, the salesman will fall off his chair because he's going to want to direct you to the RX and you're going to be asking about the RC and him be like, oh, we got like four from the back.
[SPEAKER_01]: How much off do you want?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they sold less than 2,000 of those and 20, 20, 20.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, Cole, what's next?
[SPEAKER_03]: Pull start two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I got a story about that one.
[SPEAKER_03]: When we were like on trouble, what did you do in the pull start two?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they didn't buy this on the launch, and they had this program where, in Denver, you could, as a buyer or potential buyer, you could, you could call them up, and they would bring the car to your office, and then you could drive it for half an end, and you returned it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I did that, and then I wasn't a potential buyer, I was a reviewer, and apparently they got, or somebody got in trouble because I reviewed a car that wasn't meant to be reviewed, that was meant for,
[SPEAKER_01]: consumer let's say the marketing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well you signed up they gave you the car and you told them what you were gonna do with it and cool with it at the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody anybody could have done that right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't just me and we're more youtubers So anybody with a YouTube channel or a one of YouTube or could have gotten the car and filmed themselves driving it for the morning and put it up on YouTube And that's exactly what I did and I don't think I broke any rules, but
[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently the guy who lent it to me got a lot of trouble and then I got pissed off because he chewed me out So I got him in a lot of trouble.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a mess.
[SPEAKER_01]: I apologize for the whole thing But the car is a good car You know, you can get them used now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for almost nothing very well made very very nice interior They're very skin and avian and kind of there's a lot of craftsmanship in that car Interior a little too small like it is a little tough to get comfy for me is a kind of a taller person and a pull star But I think that they're they're in
[SPEAKER_03]: Right a bull.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you just want like a good affordable EV that that feels like a 60,000 experience, you can you can still do that in a poll star too.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're really really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're made in China though.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're subject to like, or they're subject to 100% tear of soap.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well that will kill a car real quick.
[SPEAKER_03]: That'll kill a car.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really like Polestar twos, they're kind of, they were kind of confused because Volvo could try to brand him a little bit like an SUV and they were very clearly a sedan with the lift, they were a lift back really is what they were.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well the problem is Volvo is already kind of near luxury and now they've created what they think is a luxury brand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and it's like, it's like, I'm not sure it's a luxury.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure, so Polestar means North Star in Sweden.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was supposed to be like the brand that lives above Volvo, but Volvo was always trying to become like a near, like, kind of like Mao's that was always trying to kind of crawl up their ranks to luxury.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not sure that the Polestar in America, at least has been defined as a luxury brand.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think people just look at it as weird, quirky Scandinavian electric car.
[SPEAKER_03]: But very good car.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The use ones didn't have a lot of range.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're older ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think 250 miles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tell them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh, Porsche 178.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ooh, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's supposed to be a came in a boxer.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's another car.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's a car that's really loved by Dusius because it's kind of, you know, the possible small Porsche sports car.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think they're awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: My only issue with them is that they're still a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you could they can be well over $100,000.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, so what the interior feels like it's 10 years old.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what heard, tell me if you're a Porsche guy or a guy, you know this.
[SPEAKER_01]: What heard the boxer and the came in was the force lender.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what hurt him and so I think you know people want that six-cylinder the S they want the goodness of the 4.0 like a 4.0 GTS yeah, exactly, but the second they put the turbo and they did the four slender it just kind of became it wasn't a good powertrain I was it was
[SPEAKER_03]: 300 horsepower.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but then they did the GT4, which was hugely popular.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, then they did the, yeah, the different engine came in RS, which is very popular.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're going to get, if you're going to get one, go for the four leader.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: My dream car, if, if I had my didters, but I can't afford it nor do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think anybody would watch the videos, so we're not buying it, but 25th anniversary.
[SPEAKER_01]: Boxster.
[SPEAKER_01]: Boxster has the four leader.
[SPEAKER_01]: Boxer, which is kind of a silver color with a blood-red interior, it's absolutely gorgeous, so that would be my My choice for cars that I would love to buy and those were when they first came out there Like in the high 90s and they're still selling used for like 105 and there's a thing happening of course Or I think Porsche has lost a plot
[SPEAKER_01]: In terms of its value for money, I always think Portia was the attainable supercar or sports car, and now they've become unattaineeam for many people, including the came and slash boxer.
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, there's an electric one coming supposedly, and I think that's going to be that might be the same issue we had with the charger, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's dead on arrival.
[SPEAKER_03]: School down, Cole, is that the last one?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the last one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, super legacy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, nothing to say about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I have some to say about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, after we did that video with Subaru, going back and showing why we got blacklisted, the fine folks at Subaru said we weren't blacklisted and they would get us.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is now four weeks ago, five weeks ago, that they would get us at Subaru.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen a Subaru in our driveway or in our garage time?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, have I seen an email from Subaru?
[SPEAKER_03]: So.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that if we may not be on a black list, but maybe it's like a dark blue list.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think there's a good shot there Yeah, I don't think we we're gonna be reviewing any superzony time soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we'll be reviewing this soon The BZ4X is just a rebrand they make they got rid of the four what I first heard it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember I was at the law the unveiling of this and the Subaru PR person What was your name?
[SPEAKER_01]: She was she was really fun She's no longer a Toyota
[SPEAKER_01]: She told me the name and I had to go back to like three times and ask her what the name of it was because I had it such a such a hard time Riving my head around VZ 4x and the ones I kind of got used to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of figured it out But now I don't have to worry about anymore because it's just a BZ.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, so it was actually supposed to be a whole line of vehicles Yeah, so BZ stands for Bionne Zero means this electric was for example four was supposed to be the size So there's supposed to be a BZ three BZ four BZ five and was the X oh, well drive our crossover crossover
[SPEAKER_03]: So like there may have been a BZ5x into BZ3C or whatever, but that never ended up happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they got rid of the BZ4x saying another just calling it BZ.
[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, I just just saw the new Superman and there's a new Toyota BZ in the new Superman movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm, nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: What is it with Karki?
[SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't drive it, but it isn't the movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if Karki companies have a blind spot, it's when it comes to naming conventions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it because of the committees?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's like new CEOs come in and the easiest way to put their, you know, stamp on the company is their.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's change all the names of things because that's what I have.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just also think committees, there's some data set somewhere that says people like this thing and then they just go with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's like, I'll give you an example.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you, I'll give you, I'll give you two, three examples, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: Of car names that just work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mustang.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, anything with an actual animal associated with this pretty good charger.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all right anything that's cool and like you know Yeah, four a cool number like 9-11 How is that a cool number?
[SPEAKER_01]: It just is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just 9-11.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have about 4-5 Raff 4 that is not cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like Raff 4.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is where it works Raff 4 works, but then VZ 4x How about CRV?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't see our V is in cool, but RAF4 is cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because RAV is like RAV Yoli and RAV Yoli is cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: God.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, what's next?
[SPEAKER_03]: Volvo S60.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the sedans are going all the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ray Carr, small fun to drive, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're very good looking.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and the V60 poster is one of my best favorite cars I've ever been.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's buying sedans.
[SPEAKER_01]: So any, any sedan is, right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that's a cool car.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they were meeting, and they were meeting.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really?
[SPEAKER_03]: SUVs for most people are just better.
[SPEAKER_03]: They sit higher.
[SPEAKER_03]: They hold more stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're easy to get rid of.
[SPEAKER_03]: People don't care about handling for the most people.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're a little bit less efficient, but they're not that much less efficient.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're just a better form factor for holding people and things.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's closer to a bubble when people just want to be driving a bubble.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's something much classier about us today.
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree, but people would rather hold their groceries than be classy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I keep going.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure it's another sedan.
[SPEAKER_03]: S90.
[SPEAKER_03]: the ultimate livery car pretty much every time I'm going to press trip now in the back of an S9 really they are very comfy that I think that seriously the only people that bought this car was livery's I've never seen a normal person by myself like Lincoln should have kept the kept the continent of the yeah because this is the new continent I think they could have done well with just livery I think they could have sold let's say 20,000 year with just livery companies
[SPEAKER_03]: I like those a lot though, very comfy and very, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you run a library company, premium.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, you know, obviously, then you want to get like a suburban or an escalator problem is those like gas like crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's 90.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the last one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's more.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, that's all we got.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought there was more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's full, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we lost something that aren't there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what?
[SPEAKER_01]: The escape is going away and the course there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the escape, of course, is going away because there is.
[SPEAKER_01]: because of the fact that the Bronco sport is selling so well and that's face at the escape was never the hottest greatest car it was always kind of the first the first couple of jens were really good so there's a there's a cautionary note with the escape
[SPEAKER_01]: when you take a car that's kind of square-jogged like the first escape was and kind of off-roading and turn it into more of like a mainstream middle-of-the-road car it just becomes boring yeah and the course error I think it's a course error right that's the escape yeah same same same issue basically the other one that's going away is that just the last GTR just rolled off to something like for the R35 uh-huh that's going away um so the of all these cars we talked about which one should people buy now
[SPEAKER_01]: which one, I don't know which one, I think if you say which one should people buy, probably go at the pole star too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say that if you should, but the one that I would buy, I would buy a 718, obviously, if I could afford it, if I couldn't afford it, which I right now can't, because we bought too many classic old cars, crappy old classic cars, we out and now I have to fix a whole other story there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would go with the Acura, you're at the TLX is a pretty damn good car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also expensive though.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but if you can find one on a deal, I'm not sure you could find a deal on one, but that's the best car on the list, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or cyber truck.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, God, not the cyber truck.
[SPEAKER_03]: Someone left us a comment on our Patreon and the YouTube Colt, can you want to pull that up?
[SPEAKER_01]: We got one comment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Woohoo, thank you for letting us a comment.
[SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, it was, um, oh boy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh boy, things are moving slow here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh-oh.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it wasn't there, Colt, it wasn't actually YouTube stream.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're watching this, thank you for watching it live.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what's the coming?
[SPEAKER_03]: All of us as the MacCon EV with an off-rody trim would be cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Love the look of the Tycon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like a cross-treesmo, McComb, I think would be pretty neat.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the first Kian was very off-roady, and yet actually even BMW built an X5 that was off-roady, and you know that Mercedes still builds an off-road wagon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the E450 all-terrain.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but nobody buys them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody thinks the German cars is off-roady any more except for the G-wagon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the V450 alternative is pretty cool though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that thing a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a good place if you have any questions for us, if you're other car shopping and you want to tap into the experience of Tommy and I have had basically driving every new car except for the crazy ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then we'd love to help you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So...
[SPEAKER_01]: Me, part of the community, right Tommy?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so leave us comments on Patreon and we will read them on the air and answer your questions directly.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, a big gig at everyone on Patreon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Patreon.com slash DifoCar, who help us out, you make it possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, exactly right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you saw it first.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you next time, child.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bye.