[SPEAKER_00]: everyone welcome to another turn to the punk.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Damien and today on the show we write one of the great wrongs done to turn to the punk by technology and finally horror is on turn to the punk years ago I've been a festival in Arizona I recorded a episode with the OGM and Yeti Bones for this podcast and
[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, it was lost to the sands of the desert due to audio problems and I really enjoyed that conversation this way back when and if since then wanted them to come back on the show and seeing how music is kind of gone in the last
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, eight years since they were on the show, seven years since they were on the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's more prescient to kind of interview them and have them on here and I'm really glad we finally got to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have a brand new song called InCline, which you can check out now on all your favorite streaming services.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a really cool video with some dead Kennedy references in it as well that you can watch on YouTube in-stutch and they will be going on tour.
[SPEAKER_00]: in October and into November different parts of the U.S.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, please in the near up, you can check out their website, H.O.
[SPEAKER_00]: 9909.com for dates and links and all that fun stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, just as a note on this episode, I talk about vans as like, seeing this great positive thing for music.
[SPEAKER_00]: I should say that vans does not sponsor this podcast, and does not sponsor this podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: since they were pretty much on the show, and people I'm talking about that organized the House of Vans stuff that they used to do, which were these venues all over the world, where they would have free shows and these sort of events pop up.
[SPEAKER_00]: That whole team has been fired, which is also, or laid off, I should say, not fired.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the reason that this podcast was sponsored by Vans was because of those people.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when I'm talking about Vans,
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm specifically talking about the people that ran house events.
[SPEAKER_00]: This podcast is not affiliated with vans, so don't think this was some sort of ad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know years ago we were sponsored by vans, very passive sponsorship, but that's not what's happening here.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just comes with a conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: So do you want to think that I'm trying to slip in some ads?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some bullshit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are all the front of the podcast, in the middle, and at the end of the heap listening.
[SPEAKER_00]: As always, this podcast is booked and produced by my brother, Tristan Abraham.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Tristan for all the whole week you do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sit back, relax, and enjoy horror, on Turned out a punk.
[SPEAKER_00]: The OGM and Yeti Bones welcome back to Turned Out of Punk.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is going on?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like last time I spoke to you guys, it was before the pandemic and we were in the middle of a desert in Arizona.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a while been a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have to worry about school.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you guys stay in the tents that night at that festival?
[SPEAKER_00]: Where they warned me, there might be scorpions in your shoes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she gave your shoes before you put them on.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, we didn't stay in intense.
[SPEAKER_02]: We stayed at like this is the motel situation Yeah, it was like kind of on the house girls and that shit was a little sketch to do Let's get you look like something from a Western movie where or hard movie somebody creep into your hotel at night type situations It was cool though
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I had a night terror of a different kind where people on one side of me were having very loud sex and people on the other side of me were talking about how great Drake was and it was like a hell of sandwich to be stuck in saying, bro, I'm very happy that you guys are back here because as we were just talking off air, the wind got in the way of the microphones that day.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the episode was just completely inaudible.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I've always felt like that was one of the great lost conversations I've gotten to have on this podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm glad we can get another attempt at it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess I want to start off the way that they started off last time, which is, how do you guys get into punk through the first time you ever came across it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'll tell you that.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first time, actual punk.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me break it down a more context to actually come in fourth would find it out about punk.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when I was a kid in the 90s, we used to have this show called a box.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you ever remember the box.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just played music videos 24, 7.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're I'm in Canada, but when I would go down to the states, I would see, you know, bits and pieces of the box.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I'm aware of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Channel 96.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, it was this thing called a box and it just have videos 24, 7 and then it would have a moment where you can order, you could phone in and play the videos.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never did that, but I will always be waiting
[SPEAKER_02]: Big pun, just all the hip hop and rap videos.
[SPEAKER_02]: Biggie was, you know, popping out of the time, pop.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in between those videos, they would have like, system of a down, pop, roach, corn.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like that era of where the new federal and TV was really poppin' on.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I wasn't really a fan.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was a little confused because it was intriguing, but myself was like a young black kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was scared to actually go to school and be like, oh, we've ever heard that song or just fucking chop silly shit, like, you know, I dug it, but I didn't dug it to the point where I was just like, oh, this is dope.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to buy it or talk about it or express it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it kind of swept under the rug,
[SPEAKER_02]: ages later when I got older.
[SPEAKER_02]: I started going to events in New York and going to see like local bands and acts and parties and there was this one group
[SPEAKER_02]: within the early 2000s, I want to say 2010, 2009 to 2010.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was called an exasonic.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was just like,
[SPEAKER_02]: great area of a lot of things going on and Williamsburg Brooklyn.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like Ninja Sonic, another band called Japan Third.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a cerebral palsy, and our good home is in super cheap gallery, but though in a lot of parties over there, and I was just in that scene for a second, not a second, but that was the music that was speaking to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what introduced me to punk was, and then just signed it did a cover of a bad brain song called Attitude.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at the moment, I didn't know you can cover songs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know a lot of people could do like people songs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just oblivious to what the fuck was going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I remembered him playing that song and shit went fucking crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, there was a mosh pit in front of me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if he's fallen over each other, beer was getting splashed everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like the most fun and crazy a shit I ever seen at that.
[SPEAKER_02]: 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, 10
[SPEAKER_02]: And at first, I was like, wait, they're doing their song.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, who's song is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I started looking more into the bad brains, catalog and all the videos and CBGBs video.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was literally the turning point and that shift, like the little by fucking mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: And from then on, now I'm older, late teenager.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh, I've got to tell the homies.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got to tell the community my boys
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll put him one to it and yeah, that was the kicker right there and from then on, you know, I'm finding out about my thread, I find out about black flag and sex custos in GPH and all different kind of subgenres within the park.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it from then on, I was just like this is my jam is it.
[SPEAKER_00]: that moment you talk any you guys brought up last time we talked in Brooklyn kind of like I guess like the the last for raw before gentrification kind of swept Brooklyn completely, but there's that moment where there were all those cool spaces on the waterfront or the market hotel and there were a lot of cool interesting groups popping off like real different styles like there wasn't really a sound to it but there was a scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I remember last time we spoke, you talked about going to see the crow mags, my band, and title fight at that show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was that the band's warehouse.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that thing, that was an incredible space.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, obviously it's corporate sponsored and all that sort of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the fact that that was like a free show that anyone could go to, it's like corporations are still doing whatever they do, but they're not necessarily having these spaces where you can just go see random ass bands.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that shit was tight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I remembered that to this day.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they were doing free shows every other week, or every week, or every month for the summer.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's basically what that space was.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, and I remember seeing y'all in a crow mags.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was just like damn, this shit was fucking powerful.
[SPEAKER_01]: This shit is dope.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like one of the best nights.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's unfortunate because I feel like those types of spaces, those types of areas are ripe for
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I guess like the vice office went in over top of death by audio, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like in the end, like this stuff's not going to last, like it's going to get overtaken.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would have meant to a bunch of shows that that's my audio too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was a great time for DIY and kind of like that's the thing about punk music.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think versus any other type of music is the fact that
[SPEAKER_00]: you don't necessarily have to be good to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And because of that, there's no barrier of entry to just try and see what happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, exactly, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: How long after going to shows you guys start making music?
[SPEAKER_00]: Where you already kind of making music?
[SPEAKER_02]: We weren't a band yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, how's doing my solo thing as a rapper?
[SPEAKER_02]: But,
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually made it a few years and it was like a couple of weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: We started the band in 2012 and so I wanted to say it so we probably got around 2009, 2008, you know, that shit where we, you know, hit us hard and then I was again like already on my solo shit, just clearly in music.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, we just, we just, we just,
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, I just had this idea, honestly, it wasn't even supposed to go that far.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just like, y'all, let's work on it like an EP, you know, I have some ideas for some songs and I just wanted him to like, you know, though a couple of verses, unexpected verses that, because no one would, at the time, he was really just drinking in.
[SPEAKER_02]: just a wow kid, like, you know, just going to the shows, just, just, I was the person who cared for the shit up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So none of our friends would have taken it seriously.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, yeah, I put the video on a verse, like nobody would care about that, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, now I'm going to take a chance on it and then he wrote some verses that I actually thought were pretty decent and I'm like, yo, let's just continue to work on this thing and somehow we just like, yo, this shit kind of got a vibe because it's kind of doing something like, you know, I feel the energy here and then it just became something that again, it wasn't supposed to be, it was just I was fucking around, but
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a couple years later, we're doing our own thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't even know what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're just trying to shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at that time, there was no, like, I remember there was no genre bending.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's in like the metal with the industrial, with the trap with the...
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, like, nobody was doing that shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we were really experimenting, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: Just kind of taking all the influences that, you know, basically the ethos of it was the right because we found that East Coast, so we came up on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we knew it had to still be right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then we like, you know, the energy got to be up because when you go to a rap show, sometimes it's the motherfucker walking around on stage,
[SPEAKER_02]: is boring live, but when you go to these shows that we were actually going to in the deep cuts of Brooklyn, Queens, wherever the Bronx, wherever the F, the energy is amazing, so we're like, you know, all right, so we're going to bring the rap and we're going to bring that energy, like on some like, on eggs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, we're going to buy a hazard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're going to take that approach.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, we just, we took that and we ran with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then even with the music, we didn't really know we don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: We just knew that we wanted to make our influences like which we really love rap.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we really love like the hardcore music as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, let's just like, we literally just tried that as it
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's been really interesting in the last 10 years watching music kind of catch up to you guys even fashion wise and everything now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like you guys were so ahead of the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: where things were kind of going to go and like you're saying, there wasn't there were bands that obviously like cold world and stuff that threw this kind of stuff in, but like you're talking about like true genre of bending like you guys did wasn't that's really accepted in punk at times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And those things meshed like, you know, I'm saying, like, you know, I'm saying, oh, he's one of the fucking, well, especially now.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, rappers want to be by star initiative like that, you know, you're like, like, the funniest thing, but again, it is dope.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just people trying to you know, I feel like out of any genres like more than metal, I think punk and hip-hop have this sort of like, and hardcore, maybe even more than just pure punk or, you know, broadly term punk, have this sort of like connection where they're both music's about,
[SPEAKER_00]: finding reality and playing with reality and they've got the sort of symbiotic relationship with each other, even where they start together.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's from like, it's storytelling, it's like political, it's like, you know, what's going on in your neighborhood?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very similar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's like you're saying it's political like obviously I guess folk music and and soul music there's there's politics throughout Yeah music history, but like these two genres you can't separate the politics kind of right right right What was the first show you guys played Oh Yeah Yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a show because we were a collected first.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we used to put together shows, they're like the homies or we would book a artist from like, you're from wherever, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: And we put this show together.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like Thanksgiving, it was like a holiday show.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we put this show together and we're like, okay, this is gonna be our entry point.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm saying because nobody's expected anything in front of us or whatever they already know all the other performers.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is gonna be our entry point.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember that she was so busy actually because at the time as a solo artist, I was a very shy performer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I hated performing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I loved creating music, but like being on stage, solo up there, it was just like, yo, people are fucking looking, like this shit is crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't get away from this, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I remember this, my fucking, just not caring.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, like he,
[SPEAKER_02]: He just embodied this who he was and the energy of the music and the space and he didn't give a fuck, you know, I'm saying and so that energy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's basically like I always said it's like I put him on with the wrapping and then he kind of his performance and his I don't give a fuck energy is what kind of you know started meet up in this space like, okay, we can really take it there performance wise.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this dude is willing to go there so I'm what I got to go there with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to meet him at that It is so our first show this day, you know, he barely like he's rapping But he can't more about diving into the crowd than fucking shit up in the race You did actually performing the song.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a ball head and a mustache I was on a rampage.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a ball fucking head and a thick ass mustache
[SPEAKER_03]: But we're like, all black and she and we're trying to be mysterious, but you know, like crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's a huge like leapy kind of have to make as a performer like you're saying like it's so unnatural.
[SPEAKER_00]: to be up there that why not just embrace how awkward and weird and irrespective of the exact, exactly, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what it was to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was that defining momentized life.
[SPEAKER_02]: OK, yeah, you got it really embraced it.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is what it's going to be this, what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_02]: From that point on, we don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: How long after you formed, did you guys put out that flexi disc, zine kind of combo packing?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we put that on like 21, 21, 21, and maybe it's 2015.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just 2015 it comes out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we moved to LA at that point.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that basically three years after.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we had like the single bone collected at the time, but I don't think we had put it out, or maybe we had just put it out that year or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it had been three years since we formed since we put out anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: What was their response like when you guys first started playing locally kind of before moving LA?
[SPEAKER_00]: And everything was like was it immediate that there was a response from people or to take a while to kind of build it up?
[SPEAKER_02]: Not anything was there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because we already had a community of people that we was already done, he's defense from and close friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got a nice community and who cherries the people of
[SPEAKER_02]: just homies on top of hardies and family like yeah we really had something going on and it was like the whole tank of the jersey.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like not to you know but there's serious stuff like we was really we was really doing actually and really bringing like the young homies that you know that with normally be out getting in trouble fucking around but like we created a platform
[SPEAKER_02]: or if like, you know, you are this boom, like come fuck with us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yo, I got a man's, I got a studio deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: We could work on a music, now we can work on music, but now we get, we can put you in front of like a few hundred people even before that shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now you know, you know, get your, yeah, you know what he's up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what it was about for us.
[SPEAKER_02]: That first to be honest, it was more about that for us than it was us being the highlight.
[SPEAKER_02]: We did that after kind of everyone got welcomey.
[SPEAKER_02]: Popping, you know, young kids, you know, once they get that vocal fame and they feel like, I don't need you to know more.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing my thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm good.
[SPEAKER_02]: You feel me?
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was it until that happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's when we were just like, all right, since you're all good, I'm about to go do what I need to do now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, and it created a even bigger platform.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like we was, we was already having fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: People were showing up to the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was like a few hundred people already like it just, just let it's.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so the show is always, always, always popular.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, unless we was going out of town like we go play in New York, obviously, because we don't play some movies in the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there, like, and also on Jersey, we were booking our shows and then mind you still, we had this relationship with all these bands in New York.
[SPEAKER_02]: a cerebral ballsy have them headline and we open up so right then we get all types of people right we will book Japan there have them headline and we open up so we was a little bit strategic about it on certain shows but you know and and at that same time we're practicing like we're literally we're booking these guys they're better they're more seasoned but we're we're learning but we're also getting better too because we're a
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, it's all learning curves, all of solid learning curves.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, you know, you mentioned the bad ones.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really think that's what happened in DC.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why there's so many great DC hardcore bands is because steel sharpened steel, you're opening for this band.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, we got to get better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we can't get blown off the stage.
[SPEAKER_00]: This badly.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're making fun of me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we got to make sure we at least come meet him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think as a state New Jersey kind of gets under done as like a in punk history a little bit?
[SPEAKER_00]: I've always felt like it's such an important state for punk history.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like a lot of bands that people assume are from New York are actually kind of from New Jersey.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in Jersey and all culturally is gets under slaps.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if you talk about New Jersey, you think a punk was the first thing you all think of the misfits.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm saying like, but a lot of, not about nature from New Jersey, ice tea from New Jersey.
[SPEAKER_01]: We just play with our team.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Australia told with Dylan Jersey's gay plan, they're from New Jersey.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, because it's New York right then New York is New York.
[SPEAKER_02]: the glitz and glamour, but, you know, feel the dirt back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jersey is, you know, some heat coming out of waste there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm a lot of innovation.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but we always just been underdogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but maybe that also contributes to things like maybe people have to shine brighter because of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: What prompted you guys to move to Los Angeles?
[SPEAKER_02]: And just the opportunity to do this full time like, you know, we were like, performing and working real jobs like, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: He used to have the drum set in the back of his car road.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was riding around with the drum set, literally a part of it in the trunk, and then the other parts in the back seat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was just permanently there.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and he was going to work like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so we would go, it would be work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Ben was like, yeah, so when you, when you, you know, when you get, when you
[SPEAKER_02]: hustling and you juggling work and trying to play shows and trying to make a name for you so it's tough and then trying to get rest and trying to party and shit and so like it's tough but then when you get to opportunity because the work that you put in someone seen that and was like yo I could help you actually get to that level if y'all just if y'all just put y'all all into this give me y'all 100% I'm gonna help you get that and that's basically our manager like
[SPEAKER_02]: when we met him, it was basically through a mutual friend who seen us play.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like again, just like, you know, we tell the story all the time, but it was like the realist style, like Afro Punk, we...
[SPEAKER_02]: It was one of the years they were, it used to be free.
[SPEAKER_02]: So people used to come through, it was easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we wanted to play, obviously we couldn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: At that time, we were already a collective.
[SPEAKER_02]: But do that on the festival at that time was a fan of what we had going on collectively.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't know that we were a band.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't get that part of the year.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he just let us come in and set up a merch tent and just like, okay, y'all can just set up here do what you need to do and we're just like,
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't even got no merch.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna tell some homies to sell merch, but we just want to play.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we literally didn't That's just snuck in with the drum set with a PA with all that shit into the best of moves set it up And we just waited to I think it was like making Baco like making Baco play and then it was like a A changeover and then we just started blasting that motherfuckers just started playing in the middle of the underground and
[SPEAKER_02]: all our homies we were playing but nobody else we only told our homies like y'all make sure y'all is there and just make sure everybody's there and then let's start their shit out and then we just thought it was fun playing it sounded like shit but it was fun it was great right and then it was it was one of my homies who was in town with those who had at the time he was manager and he was shopping or around to like different labels and shit and he
[SPEAKER_02]: stayed in extra day and he's seen that shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was just like, oh, I didn't even notice when you was going like this is kind of cool like to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: This part of the coolest shit I've seen in a minute, he like, actually, I know somebody in LA that's like really cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me call him and see, like, you know, he might want to work with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then boom, so we were already going to LA because we knew somebody out here that just had a gallery and we were just going to like, just
[SPEAKER_02]: come out to LA to pray a fucking DIY show.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we come out, we do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at the time, it's us, Nate no face, he was in a being called crime kills.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was us, crime kills, and Doge Cat.
[SPEAKER_02]: This before Doge Cat, that was the lineup.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we played it in this empty gallery bro, like literally like fucking 3, 5, 40 people there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we played the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we meet Mike.
[SPEAKER_02]: The men looked like the following day.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was just a fan, and he was just a believer, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, at that time, we had the single bone collected.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had the video shot already, but we hadn't planned anything out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was just like, you know, I must say in touch with y'all.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then like, we worked in, we'd go back home, we like, then, I thought this shit was going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go back home, you're just still slaving away, you know what I'm saying, we're gonna nine or five.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then one day we got the call, you're like, yo, I think I already feel, I think I think we can make some, we can figure something out.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can figure out a way to do this full time and really turn the heat up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I saw a lot of need to hear, because I love what I love making music.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been, I've been late for obviously like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I once, once he put that battery in our bag, it was,
[SPEAKER_02]: like, yeah, we, because love a fucking New Jersey don't get it right now, so I'm out of here.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: But we still put New Jersey on our back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, to this day, you know, people, I was like, you know, the first thing we say, we filmed New Jersey, we always rap dirty.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we've been in LA like 10 years now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's like a real state pride like you're saying, because because of being a dog, maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly because nobody wins like you're not many of us get out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you get out of there, you've got to be like Yeah, like that Kevin Smith that film director's made his whole career just making movies about New Jersey Like everything he does is just about the state
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it felt like when they legalized cannabis first it was like, oh, this is New Jersey's moment, and then New York Right ruined everything That was happening Even a New Jersey net's bro like they took the net's is Brooklyn net's they took up I'm telling you like if they could take our hockey team Bro, they would have took that off my tool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we got a hockey team Tell you
[SPEAKER_00]: Had you guys been on tour, at that point, like obviously going New York, other than that, I mean, before New Delhi.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, nothing, never been on tour.
[SPEAKER_02]: We haven't even been out of the state, let alone that one show he just said in LA, but anything other than that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the first thing we asked the first, we went, New York and New Jersey.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had never touched DC, never touched family, nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: New York and New York and New York.
[SPEAKER_02]: But one little random show on L.A., and that's it, go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's interesting when I think back on that time, like, every city had kind of like a different scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it wasn't necessarily like you could go around and find it's Baltimore had a similar scene to what New York had at that time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like apart from that, like Philadelphia is not really the same sort of thing happening at that point.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just very localized to certain areas.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what was your first national tour?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's good, that's nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: That might be the jungle injury with sooner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the first U.S.
[SPEAKER_02]: one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we did some, some, we did some year of dates, but the first, like, actual, like, 30 date or a 25 date proper tour?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was with injury observed.
[SPEAKER_02]: there from Arizona.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what was it like at that point touring?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're saying it's pretty sort of everyone being cool with genre mixing and you guys are definitely doing something.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't necessarily fit neatly in any one world.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was actually cool because industry reserve also had like,
[SPEAKER_02]: they were making that sort of music was like more in the rap space so they were already niches well so the kids that were coming out to the shows were nerds like they were they already knew what they was getting you know and so it was actually really really dope and and I opened it for for all parties like you know because when you that was their first tour also it was it was
[SPEAKER_02]: their first tour.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now I was good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, before that we went to Europe and so we got a little taste and like, oh, to being out for two weeks is what it feels like to be like playing a show back to back or being a fun of a crowd that literally doesn't know you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's more jarring than anything like because when you were around some kids that already listened to the album and they come in for you then, you know, that's fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: When you're playing somewhere where like they don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's where the challenge is but all every time it's always been it's always been good for you That it's always been like especially at that time at that time It was more so drawing people just like what the fuck is this like how are you mixing This with this like wow how and why do I love it so much?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know I'm saying like who knew I needed female buddy and tell you like right now
[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny though in Europe, there's almost like an aggression sometimes with that ignorance towards the band.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, it's like very different experiences in parts of Europe than playing in America or Canada.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now they accept it as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: But on the only time we ever felt like under appreciated
[SPEAKER_00]: That must be in a rough, I mean, a hard tour, I should say.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bro, that was a wake-up call.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was rough.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a wake-up call.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's one of them tours.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know when you always forget the great things and then you were a member of like, dang, that was a bad moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you were a member of those things.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a bad tour.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like every night these motherfuckers hated us like we're paying in front of like thousands of people And like after every song you just like waiting for like a clap music is like a okay That was cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it would just be dead
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they didn't come out to maybe the second to last show and that's because we was in We was in Spain.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we got to Spain.
[SPEAKER_02]: We played a couple shows like Barcelona and like a few other spots and big When we got there they clapping.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like oh shit fuck right I have to be some love
[SPEAKER_02]: But in the UK and Europe ages, we're so straight on like, we're here to see Pop and Roach.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we don't get a fuck about, yes, it's the right area.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had a similar experience opening for the arcade fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we did that tour in reverse, so we started in Spain, and it was good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then everything after, just worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel lucky, and I'm sure it can relate to this.
[SPEAKER_00]: How many people get the privilege of standing in front of a room of that many people?
[SPEAKER_00]: that don't like you and actively don't get your music.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a rare experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it almost makes us go harder.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, first it was kind of fun with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then I'm just like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go even harder.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I'm a really kids y'all.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go harder than that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to talk some shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it just cuts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it definitely, it adds an edge to the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it does.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're kind of fearless at that point, you're like, I don't give a fuck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm here.
[SPEAKER_02]: You hear fucking fucking.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you don't like this shit, go use the bathroom.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go have a smoke.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to stay in here, then I'm going fucking give it to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like quite evolved enough to say I prefer doing it as a performer.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think watching a band in that situation, I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I love when
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the band against the room, and it's like, all right, let's do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got like a power to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're the pop and roach guys cool at least.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were great.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were so smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like those dudes were fucking solid.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we actually did a fucking shirt.
[SPEAKER_02]: Violet and like, yeah, that and off, did a shirt like cutting off Jacobi's head.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we sold that as merch.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it is virtually like and they they at first kind of gave a shit about it and then it's like not as cool It's funny and it is funny like it's cool You know like so yeah, like the same night that like we almost got into it with me and actually Yeah, it's almost put in actually he did put in on my right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna talk about that But yeah, the bases or the guitars come out.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're in the shirt.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like I should these guys are cool
[SPEAKER_02]: Fairfuck and what I said, that makes it easier to get through goods for like, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jacobie's the other great last interview with this podcast because we were doing that sound wave tour together one time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, I really want to come on your podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I'm in this room.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come up and do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, okay, I'm just gonna go to the gym and then I'll be right up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've never seen him again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha that was like 10 years ago now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think he's coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's still there.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's rep to shit so I don't doubt that he was in there for a long time Yeah, again, those dudes are sweetheart.
[SPEAKER_02]: They actually made it easy to get through the tour Like those dudes were fucking great.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just their fans suck respect for me It feels like a lot of older artists got what you guys were doing in media too
[SPEAKER_02]: They immediately would just like, well, it's like a breath of fresh air, like this is something new.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you know, you've been around since like the fucking 80s, whatever, 90s, you've seen everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything is just like, I would regard the taste of something else, like, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: So when you see something as fresh and exciting and new, you know, you want to be a part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes your people aren't ready to receive that, that's just, that's what it is in thought.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I think there's, like, certainly,
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like you're saying there's like, like, um, I think I, I think I've heard, saw an interview that guys were talking about iced tea and how stoked iced tea was to see you guys play.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, Ernie was on the podcast from body count and like, yeah, if you're a band like body count and you're just like kind of waiting like, okay, we did this thing where are the other bands that are going to be doing this with us.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I actually put us on early body count one of their, um, one of our first official show that was, we're Over and out for somebody bigger was body count our first like opening up somebody bigger was body count body count Um, mobile was the change.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so we're just like wait.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck, like she's fucking knackle, like New York, like bro, she's just doing the lines and bro, like we got to get our chops up, like, that show must have been insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I remember seeing Coco over the first time, like being like, oh shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: like this percentage, you have like ice, like you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you see them, it was like, oh, this is not cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like rehearsing on stage when we walked in, and then you fucking, then he came down, shook our hand, said with some chopped it up, but that's what many, and just told us how appreciative of like, just us doing it the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: And for a sense, then he's been up in like, in two days, sometimes he's still coming, so I'm gonna share it, like, like, oh, you, you,
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is crazy bro watch on a morning order.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my second.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like watch long order and you're playing a cop in here and then you're on the same thing but you know this shit is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember like, we played it some festival in Montreal and we were all in trailers.
[SPEAKER_00]: And his trailer was like right beside our trailer and I'm like sitting in our dressing room smoking weed and I'm looking out the window and like you're saying he's on TV so I'm just like looking at him like I'm watching at TV.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he notices me and gives me a little wave and I was like holy shit, he's real.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, he's on TV program.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, nice bucked out man.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's exactly, he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like not every show went great because I remember hearing that you guys got banned from the war thrown off the war tour the first time you guys played it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, unfortunately We was fresh we like you said we fresh
[SPEAKER_02]: coming from New Jersey.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm fresh from being a while, and maybe I'm going to shows where there's practically anything going.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I didn't been to shows where one foot is like fireworks in the venue.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't been to shows where beer is getting splashed everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like spray paint.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know if I got a biking name or like there's a lot of fine on top of your head You'll boot picture head and it's all fun right because that's what we've come from You come from a lot of you come from the great we come from shit being gutter as fuck So I was still in that mindset and first of all on record
[SPEAKER_02]: I am not a fan of pop punk and emo like when I got into the punk like like talked about I got into bad brains and from there was monitor at black flag etc etc.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when I finally did get a win of the quote on quote pop punk I was like this is not doing it for me playing it simple I tried I gave it a go and I was like this is not doing it for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, we got, you know, offered to do the work tour, and that was the kickoff show.
[SPEAKER_02]: That wasn't even the actual tour.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was like the show celebrating that it was gonna be a whole tour coming out, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And module, this is about to be our first tour period.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've never been on a tour.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is our first time, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, we just did this crazy, we just, you know, we went out and mind you, we were at first of like eight bands and all the other eight bands were those sort of, you know, bands that are not too fond of.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, we're gonna fuck this shit up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, we tried to make like a statement, like, you know, you, you, you, like, oh, damn, they, they booked us, I bet, like, you know, this is what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is our style.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is our brand of play.
[SPEAKER_02]: and it was not feeling that shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the conversation started happening like in a sense, like, no, we got to understand that like if you want to go to the next level, we got to understand what type of shows and how to come down the chaos if you don't want lawsuits and certain things like it got to a point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we had a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: skin just like we come from a basement and we think go setting to more approach professional musician and how things operate on a higher level which is you know of course it's good right but we live and we learn that yeah yeah it's interesting the element of chaos that you're like you're saying in a DIY space it's
[SPEAKER_00]: necessary for the show to have that but like the bigger the space the more danger comes in to play with that chaos yes and that's why I'm always amazed at like certain bands like like trash talk like some bands that are just like wow you guys are still like on the edge of that line it's true that's it just feels dangerous like every time right yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the shows we used to go to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm back and I was crying.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a good, you know, 10, 11.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're like, don't you're a skate plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's another band where I'm like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, guys, come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, no, it's pretty annoying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, they're early-ish old and pretty annoying.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's nuts.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just saying to him one, you know, like, fans on YouTube have like, funny moments.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, the eight minute video of like, funny moments, or like, yo, tell him the history.
[SPEAKER_02]: Billinger has that YouTube video is eight minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It says, crazy as moments.
[SPEAKER_02]: and it's just all highlights of everything you would think of.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did like one show with Ben playing in this band that we put together with Ben playing guitar in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like wrestling a cruise or weight classic match.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's just flying all over jumping on top of me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh my god, this is incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like just terrifying, but incredible.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's definitely like, but then like you're saying there is that risk associated with it too and it just takes like one like we had it one time where like our guitar player jumped the crowd and split some kids had opened with his guitar back and just landed a little weird and that's all it took.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all that takes time there bro, and then that's the lawsuit.
[SPEAKER_02]: That shit is Yeah, you better hope it's a fan Because some fans are just like, well, man, I just got my nose broken Yeah, you know Yeah, you're not gonna try that shit at a at a pop a roadshow and Munich
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the fuck is this talent and so in the point you think it's like We played a show in Munich on that arcade fire tour and I'm like, yo, anyone who's got weed I'm a medical cannabis user find me after the show and so we came up to me after the show and they're like You're lucky we didn't call the cops on you for saying that on stage tonight These like yeah, we people call the cops on people saying that on stage
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not asking, Mark, we're home.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where were you out of here?
[SPEAKER_00]: Munich.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, notice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the various different rules.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: We go to Munich, don't we say nice and loud, no, we don't think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't even bring it up, just.
[SPEAKER_00]: Once I went play to venue and they're like, and we're like, hey, is there anywhere you can smoke?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and they took us to like a sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-basement.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was smoking like, you know, whole in the middle of like the grant of the Earth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck you in the middle of my mind, bro.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know if you want to fucking crack oil, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, oh yeah, good right here, you're good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that weed?
[SPEAKER_03]: No way!
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I thought like we're on a wave of legalization where they were just like I'm like you know and like 10 years is going to be legalized everywhere like Thailand legalized, you know, like it's going to and now I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, you know, you know, but now I'm like, I don't think I don't see England ever legalizing or, you know, like England's like Utah when it comes to weed I find You're right
[SPEAKER_02]: They are, they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think, they probably won't slap you on the wrist as hard, like you feel me.
[SPEAKER_02]: They won't throw you under the jail, you know, but, well, they, but you're going there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not if you, I feel like they'll probably throw you a fine and shit, you know what I'm saying, you won't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had a friend who got caught bringing, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: three, eight cartridges to Japan in his luck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you won't get fried.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, three months in jail.
[SPEAKER_00]: And no one spoke English to him for the first week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you had no idea how long he was going to be in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it was like three months.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he said, you're just never invited back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like, just revoke his shit completely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can never come.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Three months in jail, and you can't come back, geez.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some places that are just worth the tolerance break.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm the honest one, Los Angeles, that's the summer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, I was going to say, and then you just already know, like they're not playing with that over the years.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I would, you can't come with this, like with it, or you know, no, if you find somebody there that you know, I mean, that note is, and you might could slide off and get a smoking as cool, but coming there with it and they catch you, of course you're fine, oh, sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's like, what country,
[SPEAKER_00]: could like what country would I want to be super stoned in more than Japan?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's like we were there like you know we went for like a couple of we were there like three weeks and it was the same for me because I smoke and I like wherever I go I need to find the smoke that I have.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like so it was killing me for the first like two weeks bro, I could smoke and I knew I was gonna be a turmoil if I did and if I don't even want yeah, like I ain't gonna play nobody else, but like you know somebody you're all sick of better
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, exactly, I found that you've done it got better and that's all I needed, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: But I basically take like a two week detox, you know what I'm saying and I took that because you like, oh, if I'm going there if it's getting locked up for fucking three months or I don't know however long I'm just not smoke.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a way to fuck and get back home and smoke like just two weeks, but it's going to be okay, like
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[SPEAKER_00]: things have changed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like obviously politically, we're in a very dystopia moment, but I feel like musically, it's kind of a cool time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah, it's always, well, that, I guess that's the double S chord, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is because of the times we're in, that's what makes it kind of billion-packed for to be making this sort of music, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like when it's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean politically there's always going to be some shit happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's never not some shit happening where everybody is happy and laid back in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha, yeah, beautiful dates, picnic to satisfy you know, it's always going to be some shit happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: For most, from day one, I think that we all ready put our aggression into the music to let our sound butterfly into the existence.
[SPEAKER_02]: there is a lot of dope music out right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whether it's politically charged, it's just really good use it, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think even if it's not necessarily politically charged, I feel like having a good time, like it's like a DIY, like a kid finding a space to kind of make their art and do what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's something political just in that act itself.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a beautiful time for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like it definitely like a field technology is also just making it easier for people to kind of create now too.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I feel like in and you do see it like there are a lot more spaces now and like all ages space is popping up and new all ages spaces and a new wave of kids that are kind of like picking up on this energy and taking it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or a mother fuck is pulling
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have a fake merch stall, and we're going to make a show out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have a fake merch stall, and we're going to make a show out of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, any time you guys want to come back on this podcast, you are both welcome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for having us, bro.
[SPEAKER_02]: This redemption for the last one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: No win this time.
[SPEAKER_00]: No scorpions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was windy and there was scorpions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, please.
[SPEAKER_02]: crazy man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry for the silhouette, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we look in.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of fit.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like those food fucking doctors.
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