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[SPEAKER_12]: Hey, Jody, how you doing?
[SPEAKER_13]: I am doing.
[SPEAKER_10]: You're doing what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_10]: Look, it's it.
[SPEAKER_10]: It is a hump day on a short week.
[SPEAKER_10]: So it is hump day.
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[SPEAKER_13]: busy day for you joty i mean it's not Tuesday so it's not Tuesday i mean i did walk my ten okay um which was nice okay but uh i left it just before six a.m.
[SPEAKER_13]: okay and i got home around nine and i was very shfitsing i was already sweating
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, yeah, so it's a little warm in the the western areas of the bar.
[SPEAKER_10]: It is a little bit warmer It is I have to say it's freaking glorious here.
[SPEAKER_10]: It was about 60 or so this morning when Kiwi and I walked low humidity nice sunshine
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm like, oh yeah, and I'm starting to see some of the leaves change, which is weird because my brain is like, no, but I mean, it is September.
[SPEAKER_10]: So, you know.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's getting to be that time.
[SPEAKER_10]: It is, and I love Autumn.
[SPEAKER_10]: Autumn is great.
[SPEAKER_10]: Autumn is, Autumn is my favorite season of the year because usually good stuff happens for me in Autumn.
[SPEAKER_10]: I don't know why I just test.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, it's fallen spring or my favorites because I don't have to have the AC or the heater on.
[SPEAKER_10]: also good reasons I like I like those seasons also don't have to worry about slipping on ice or you know, frying to death.
[SPEAKER_10]: So you know, that's both both are very nice.
[SPEAKER_10]: Hopefully you're having a good good day good season wherever you happen to be.
[SPEAKER_10]: Got a lot of news on tap today.
[SPEAKER_10]: We've got Bob Cesca coming in.
[SPEAKER_10]: yep he's got a piece up in the banter will talk about today and of course we have a drink of the day it is um for people like Bob you know well exactly it's a tall order if you subscribe to the drink of the day you already know what we're talking about and if you don't you should so there you go
[SPEAKER_10]: All right, so which corner of stupidity do you want to reach into today first on the news on TapJody?
[SPEAKER_10]: Because I mean, there's a lot of stupidity, but there's a lot of courage out there today too.
[SPEAKER_10]: A lot of people stand up to stupid stuff and today, you know, people should be standing up and being counted for the good things that they're doing.
[SPEAKER_10]: So do you want to start in Chicago or do you want to start in DC?
[SPEAKER_13]: Let's go with Chicago and we'll move into DC.
[SPEAKER_10]: Alrighty, that sounds good.
[SPEAKER_10]: For those of you who missed it, Donald Trump is still threatening other city today.
[SPEAKER_10]: He started to threaten New Orleans.
[SPEAKER_10]: But he is, yeah, that's ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_10]: He was in a little, a presser, did a little thing in the oval today with the president.
[SPEAKER_10]: They Polish president, Naraki.
[SPEAKER_10]: And just, once again, another one of these things where foreign leaders know they have to kiss his ass.
[SPEAKER_10]: because he's threatening to go into places like Chicago and, you know, it, I really like Pritzker.
[SPEAKER_10]: I like Pritzker a lot.
[SPEAKER_10]: I like him in some ways, better than Newsom because he's much better in LGBTQ issues, but Pritzker, he and the mayor of Chicago, Brandon Johnson yesterday.
[SPEAKER_10]: They, they had a nice little presser and Pritzker made it clear.
[SPEAKER_10]: He didn't have any in Trump's garbage, man.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm aware that the President of the United States likes to go on television and beg me to call and ask him for troops.
[SPEAKER_09]: I find this extraordinarily strange as Chicago does not want troops on our streets.
[SPEAKER_09]: I also have experience asking the President for assistance just to have the rug pulled out from underneath me when execution meets reality.
[SPEAKER_09]: I refuse to play a reality game show with Donald Trump again.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, all right.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, and look, and it's, it's not just Trump, Trump claims all of these invasions that he is, you know, trying to do.
[SPEAKER_10]: We're thinking we're talking about doing is about crime.
[SPEAKER_10]: Now, crime is down in Chicago.
[SPEAKER_10]: We've got a video on that that's in the news on tap.
[SPEAKER_10]: It goes through and goes through the numbers on that kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_10]: right because they've been doing things like community policing have been taking money that the Biden Harris administration and the congress gave them to do these things but didn't Donald take it away in the big ugly lot lousy law uh... he did and uh... quite frankly pritzker addressed that
[SPEAKER_09]: What I want are the federal dollars that have been promised to Illinois and Chicago for violence prevention programs that have proven to work.
[SPEAKER_09]: That is money that Illinois taxpayers send to the federal government.
[SPEAKER_09]: And it's an insult to any and every citizen to suggest that any governor should have to beg the president of any political party for resources owed their people.
[SPEAKER_09]: Amen.
[SPEAKER_13]: Didn't Janine Piro say that Democrats are all about defending the police?
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, kind of interesting, isn't it the the the the money that is actually supposed to go to, you know, police support and crime prevention, uh, Republicans are the ones who took that just like Republicans stole the Medicare and Medicaid and ACA funds.
[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, God speaking of health care crap.
[SPEAKER_10]: Joseph Lattipo.
[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_10]: You know, you know, you know who I'm talking about Joe.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I don't know if you guys do here in the bar.
[SPEAKER_10]: He is the surgeon general of Florida.
[SPEAKER_10]: This is a little bit of a tangent, but if you didn't think Florida was a big enough hellhole, this is the Surgeon General Florida today, basically saying your kids and your grandparents are all going to die there.
[SPEAKER_07]: The Department of Health in partnership with the governor is going to be working to end all vaccine mandates in Florida.
[SPEAKER_10]: Because it's Florida.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, Brandy was right.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's Florida.
[SPEAKER_13]: Brandy was right.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, come back, polio.
[SPEAKER_13]: Small bucks.
[SPEAKER_13]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, hey, chicken pox could be a small thing or it could kill you, but who cares?
[SPEAKER_10]: Nobody needs to be vaccinated, right?
[SPEAKER_10]: Measle momma.
[SPEAKER_13]: I'm totally come back.
[SPEAKER_13]: We don't.
[SPEAKER_10]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: This is Florida is so dumb right now.
[SPEAKER_10]: And that's, and of course, anybody who wants the vaccines, remember, a lot of these vaccine mandates.
[SPEAKER_10]: A lot of the things that your private corporations, your CVS, your Walgreens and things, they and the insurance companies that pay them is based off of federal and state laws.
[SPEAKER_10]: So imagine all the old folks there who want to get vaccinated and now their insurance may not pay for it.
[SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: And I know for sure that the code of vaccine costs a good 400 bucks.
[SPEAKER_13]: That's a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, it's absolutely absolutely ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_10]: Thankfully, there are good governors like we were saying, you know, Pritzker in Illinois has been doing a fantastic job, but you guys found this out when when Trump and his regime tried to take over L.A.
[SPEAKER_10]: at your end of the bar, Jody.
[SPEAKER_10]: They, we, we, we, we joked about this like half the summer.
[SPEAKER_10]: Do you know what was it was like what July 4th or after July 4th when that happened?
[SPEAKER_10]: Was it June?
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it was June.
[SPEAKER_10]: It was something that they came in so it's been like like 60% of the summer or something when I came romping in and trying to do this stuff All right, making making big you know claims They really weren't backed up and we kept saying that this is stupid and it was for TV and it was for the internet Pritzker Well here I'll I'll let him tell it
[SPEAKER_09]: None of this is about fighting crime or making Chicago safer, none of it.
[SPEAKER_09]: For Trump, it's about testing his power and producing a political drama to cover up for his corruption.
[SPEAKER_09]: If you need any proof of this,
[SPEAKER_09]: that it's all a big show.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, look at who they're putting in charge.
[SPEAKER_09]: Gregory Povino, a guy who desperately wants to be a reality TV star.
[SPEAKER_09]: He led the cruel adventures of ice in Los Angeles, and he's been sent here to do the very same thing.
[SPEAKER_09]: Go look at his social media.
[SPEAKER_09]: He terrorizes innocent people, and then posts on TikTok
[SPEAKER_09]: Apparently this is a Trump administration norm because the last time we saw staged major ice raids in Chicago, they sent Dr. Phil here to embed with the agents.
[SPEAKER_09]: So he could get views and likes for his social media.
[SPEAKER_10]: This is all a show.
[SPEAKER_13]: It is.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's he's just he doesn't want to govern.
[SPEAKER_13]: He wants to not a prison.
[SPEAKER_13]: But yeah, it wants to be the star of the show.
[SPEAKER_10]: I cannot, I cannot with the people who were so dumb that they thought that he would be a good, and even more so, the people who
[SPEAKER_10]: Look, some, some maga people have repented.
[SPEAKER_10]: Some maga people have pulled their heads out of their asses.
[SPEAKER_10]: And now they're like, I'm sorry and whatever.
[SPEAKER_10]: Great.
[SPEAKER_10]: If, if, if you are finally getting smart, like, remember the rabbit pill joke that I, you know, we, if you're getting smart, great.
[SPEAKER_10]: Hallelujah.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_10]: But if you're too dumb to figure out how it works,
[SPEAKER_10]: And this is not a partisan thing.
[SPEAKER_10]: So there was somebody who was, we followed on our social media on Blue Sky, who has been an OK writer for the left in the past and he absolutely drove me nuts today when I saw this.
[SPEAKER_10]: So I, I,
[SPEAKER_10]: disconnected us from him on that because he was saying well if you are on the left and you accept basically independence and former Republicans that they say they're Republican and some of the people who got us into this mess well you're an idiot and I trust the people who are far left wing nut jobs far more than you.
[SPEAKER_10]: And I was like, you know what, F off, Jack is.
[SPEAKER_13]: No, I mean, you got it.
[SPEAKER_13]: We need people like David Jolly.
[SPEAKER_13]: We need people like Joe Walsh.
[SPEAKER_10]: We need that particular dumbass that I am refusing to use his name.
[SPEAKER_10]: Doesn't seem to have the ability to count his eyeballs and get the same number twice.
[SPEAKER_10]: If you want to win at the election, if you want to govern you have to win.
[SPEAKER_10]: I know a lot of people, especially on the left, we hate that, because we'd be really good at governing if they just give us the job.
[SPEAKER_10]: But that's not how democracy works.
[SPEAKER_10]: You have to run for the seat.
[SPEAKER_10]: You have to win.
[SPEAKER_10]: Which, by the way, we won two special elections in Florida last night.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, huge swings.
[SPEAKER_10]: We've got that information there and the news on tap today.
[SPEAKER_13]: So next week, correct?
[SPEAKER_10]: I believe so.
[SPEAKER_10]: Virginia is next week too.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_13]: There are other seats that are picked up because you know, wasn't even Republicans are noticing how bad Republicans are at the moment.
[SPEAKER_10]: Did you see who is standing with the survivors?
[SPEAKER_10]: The Epstein survivors who was standing with the Epstein how she spoke today, Marjorie Frick and Taylor Greene is standing with the survivors and Tom Assy and Rokana.
[SPEAKER_10]: Against Donald Trump and And Tiny Johnson.
[SPEAKER_13]: and Donald has said that if you vote for this discharge position.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: Uh, it's an affront or I forget the words that they use.
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, yeah, he was he was saying, you know, we're we're to after you politically, and, you know, and of course, then Donald calls and, you know, waves his tiny Johnson around in the house.
[SPEAKER_10]: And yes, I used it that way.
[SPEAKER_10]: And, and, you know, with your got going to do what I would, and I'm like, look, this is the guy you, Donald, Donnie, you ran on getting the Epstein files out there.
[SPEAKER_10]: regardless of motivation.
[SPEAKER_10]: There are people left right and center who want to see everything.
[SPEAKER_10]: And he obviously has something to hide there.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, yeah, even one of his victims said, if you're not in the files, why don't you want him released?
[SPEAKER_10]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_10]: Oh look we're gonna talk about some of those great survivors who stood up today on Capitol Hill We will come to the DC area here on that by the way.
[SPEAKER_10]: Thank you guys again for coming here tonight to the politics bar We have a whole lot more.
[SPEAKER_10]: We have Bob Cesca.
[SPEAKER_10]: We have the drink of the day.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's a tall order But I think you will enjoy that one Bob's a tall drink of order.
[SPEAKER_10]: You know, oh exactly tall drink of order tall drink of water and Well him and we'll talk about him and Kimberly later
[SPEAKER_10]: It's a Wednesday night here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_10]: Fresh in your drink, come right back.
[SPEAKER_10]: Hang on.
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[SPEAKER_10]: It's a Wednesday night.
[SPEAKER_10]: No, it does not sound.
[SPEAKER_10]: It feels like it's not Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_10]: I know you're thinking it's Tuesday because this is the second day of your work week for a lot of you.
[SPEAKER_10]: Including us, but none of no, it's actually Wednesday, which means you've only got two to go unless you're working third shift or you work the weekend, in which case, or really sorry, but look, whatever time you have off, you should enjoy.
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[SPEAKER_10]: little bit more serious segment for this little bit more serious topic for this segment just because i mean the the esteemed stuff yes there's a lot of political stuff involved because of uh... the stuff that the trump is so much involved in all of this and he wants to hide all of it and whatever but in truth i mean like we were saying here uh... before the break this is not actually all that political
[SPEAKER_13]: No.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's about right.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's about sexual violence, and it's about protecting people from it, and reporting it when it happens, even if the people who do it are powerful.
[SPEAKER_13]: And I mean, the fact that Madge 3 Toes was there with Thomas Massey and Rokana and Ron Widen.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: She's not let off the hook for anything else, but good for her.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right, we were talking in case you missed that there was an event around 10 30 11 clock eastern this morning on the steps of the US capital in DC and it was the survivors.
[SPEAKER_10]: They were coming out.
[SPEAKER_10]: They were talking about, um,
[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, so many of the different things.
[SPEAKER_10]: Specifically, actually, they were talking about Rokanas and Towsmasi's effort to push through a bill that would basically release all of the Epstein files.
[SPEAKER_10]: One of the well-known Epstein survivors, Anushka DiGiorgio, was one of the first to speak.
[SPEAKER_10]: Here, not only plays off the DVR.
[SPEAKER_01]: Make no mistake.
[SPEAKER_01]: My polished exterior is a shield hiding a wound that still bleeds.
[SPEAKER_01]: But through this wound, I have found purpose to be part of lasting change in how we confront exploitation and abuse.
[SPEAKER_01]: And to be clear, the only motive for opposing this bill would be to conceal wrongdoing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a choice, stand with the truth, or with the lies that have protected predators for decades.
[SPEAKER_13]: So why wasn't she standing there today?
[SPEAKER_10]: Thing is Nancy Mace is, she's one of those Republicans for whom everything is performative.
[SPEAKER_10]: Like, like we were talking that Governor Pritzker was talking about, that so many of the magas are performative, which is why it was interesting today that, that, that, so when Marjorie Taylor Green was on the steps, she got, she, she, she, she, she had a little bit, but she also, um, you could tell that she was,
[SPEAKER_10]: When she's being more serious, sometimes it's sometimes it comes across, you can actually kind of tell.
[SPEAKER_10]: And it was interesting today because she actually threatened to read the names of those on the Epstein list into the congressional record.
[SPEAKER_10]: She said, all they have to do is give me a list and I will go in there and read them into the record.
[SPEAKER_10]: that's not small potatoes because once it's in a congressional record, it's there forever.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's legally required.
[SPEAKER_10]: So that's yet.
[SPEAKER_10]: So that I'm going, it was interesting.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's interesting to know the different political bedfellows that are all together on this, but it is all together, not surprising at all.
[SPEAKER_10]: So while this event was going on on Capitol Hill, Donald Trump, remember I mentioned that he was in this, the in the meeting in the oval with the Polish president,
[SPEAKER_10]: middle of the event, well, here, I'll let Donnie talk himself.
[SPEAKER_05]: So what they're trying to do with the Epstein hoax is, again, people talk about that on set of speaking about the tremendous success, like ending seven wars.
[SPEAKER_05]: I ended seven wars.
[SPEAKER_05]: Nobody's going to talk about, because they're going to talk about the Epstein, whatever.
[SPEAKER_05]: I understand that we were subpoenaed to give files.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I understand we've given thousands of pages of files.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I know that no matter what you do, it's going to keep going.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think it's really, I think it's enough because I think we should talk about the greatness of our country and the success that we're having.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think we're probably having the according to what I read even from two people in this world.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're having the most successful eight months of any president ever.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's what I want to talk about.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what we should be talking about, not the Epstein Hokes.
[SPEAKER_10]: He is so delusional and thankfully, thankfully.
[SPEAKER_10]: Somebody mentioned this to the survivors that he was calling it a hoax.
[SPEAKER_10]: And one of them, let me see if I've got her name here.
[SPEAKER_10]: She was pretty good to Haley Robson.
[SPEAKER_10]: She answered Trump's claim that it's all a hoax.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mr. President Donald J. Trump, I am a registered Republican not that that matters because this is not political.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, I cordially invite you to the Capitol to meet me in person, so you can understand this is not a hoax.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are real human beings.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is real trauma.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's being gutted from the inside out, not that I would know what that feels like.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I imagine it's the anxiety buildup with the depression and the survival mode and then your nervous system goes limp and ironically is shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it feels like you just want to explode inside because nobody again is understanding that this is a real situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: These women are real.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're here in person to say that it's a hoax is just not
[SPEAKER_00]: Please humanize us.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would like Donald J. Trump and every person in America and around the world to humanize us, to see us for who we are and to hear us for what we have to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is no hoax, the abuse was real.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, what goes beyond behind closed doors, I can't speak for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: What happens around the world politically?
[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot speak for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I am here with all of these women, including our attorneys.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would be more than happy to meet with him and I will meet him halfway.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, wow.
[SPEAKER_13]: She's never meet with her.
[SPEAKER_13]: She's too strong.
[SPEAKER_10]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_10]: He hates strong.
[SPEAKER_10]: Women.
[SPEAKER_13]: Never meet with her.
[SPEAKER_10]: No.
[SPEAKER_10]: He wouldn't.
[SPEAKER_13]: Because they got the names, man.
[SPEAKER_13]: They're compiling their own list.
[SPEAKER_10]: They're compiling their own list.
[SPEAKER_10]: There was another survivor who was talking.
[SPEAKER_10]: Lisa Phillips.
[SPEAKER_10]: She actually mentioned that here.
[SPEAKER_10]: I got that one too on the DVR.
[SPEAKER_06]: We are not asking for pity.
[SPEAKER_06]: We are here demanding accountability.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm demanding justice.
[SPEAKER_06]: Congress must choose.
[SPEAKER_06]: Will you continue to protect predators?
[SPEAKER_06]: Or will you finally protect survivors?
[SPEAKER_06]: And also, I would like to announce here today, us Epstein survivors have been discussing creating our own list.
[SPEAKER_06]: We know the names.
[SPEAKER_06]: Many of us were abused by them.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now together survivors, we will confidently compile the names we all know.
[SPEAKER_06]: who regularly, who are regularly in the Epstein world.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it will be done by survivors and four survivors.
[SPEAKER_06]: No one else has involved.
[SPEAKER_06]: Stay tuned for more details.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, that's going to be so leaked and I can't wait until it is.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, look, the people who are involved in these poor women are going to have to have extra security now because of that.
[SPEAKER_10]: The biggest thing, and yes, some of the women are afraid and the biggest thing for me about this is, yes, there is.
[SPEAKER_10]: It is about sexual assault, but it is one of the reasons that so many
[SPEAKER_10]: maga people that so many people have have struck on and gotten a stuck if you will gotten held gotten focused you know won't let it out of their their their grip as far as the Epstein story.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's because it's about power.
[SPEAKER_13]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_10]: Sexual assault isn't about sex.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's about power.
[SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: Always husband.
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, but in this case, it's even more about power because it's about some of the most wealthy and powerful people in the world, knowing that someone else in their circle is taking some of the least powerful people and abusing them when they're not even adults, sexually abusing underage girls, they're not women, they're girls, kids.
[SPEAKER_10]: It was rape.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_10]: It was sexual assault.
[SPEAKER_10]: It was totally illegal.
[SPEAKER_10]: And either they knew about it, or they should have known about it, and they didn't.
[SPEAKER_10]: do anything that didn't tell anybody.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's, you know, it's Harvey Weinstein.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's still cause me.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's all of that, but it's also, but it's also the rich screwing over the poor.
[SPEAKER_10]: We had a story.
[SPEAKER_10]: Was it last week or the week before I can't remember that was talking about how the, the, the economic inequality.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's something like, I think the Starbucks CEO makes something like 3,000 or something times more than the
[SPEAKER_10]: I don't know how, how, how, how, how bigger you were in into history.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, you used to be 300 percent more.
[SPEAKER_10]: Do you remember, do you remember Andrew Carnegie, uh, and created all those Carnegie libraries all over the country?
[SPEAKER_10]: The Carnegie, everybody recognized them right, because and everybody recognizes both Carnegie Hall and the libraries, because they all looked similar.
[SPEAKER_10]: They were all designed.
[SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_10]: Andrew Carnegie had a thing where even though he was a robber bearing and kind of a rap bastard, he also set the level, I think it was either six or 12 times as much as the lowest level worker because even at that point, he was facing violence because the workers were saying this is highly unequal.
[SPEAKER_10]: The inequality is extreme and they were pissed and rightfully so.
[SPEAKER_10]: When you're talking, somebody like Andrew Carnegie had maybe a double digit amount higher, times like a double digit, multiple higher.
[SPEAKER_10]: And now you're talking like thousands of multiples higher.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, before Reagan, it was like 300 percent.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's still big, but not like it is now.
[SPEAKER_13]: And because the CEOs are making the money, and they're not raising the minimum wage,
[SPEAKER_10]: Reagan and it's not just Reagan it's also I saw somebody mentioned this and and I think we should somewhat I'm I'm willing to adopt this idea to because it's not just Trump just like it wasn't just Reagan it was the people who voted for them absolutely it's not it's not just
[SPEAKER_10]: Donald Trump that took away your Medicare and your Medicaid and it's not just Republicans and Congress.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's the people who voted for them.
[SPEAKER_10]: Who took away your Medicare and your Medicaid?
[SPEAKER_10]: It's the people who, if you voted for somebody who was not standing with these survivors today on Capitol Hill,
[SPEAKER_10]: If you voted for somebody who is standing around with tiny Johnson trying to say that, you know, if you put the list out there, if you get the names out there, if you hold these people accountable.
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, we're going to get you either you stand on the side for accountability or you don't.
[SPEAKER_10]: And yes, I find it extremely weird and a bit disconcerting that on this issue.
[SPEAKER_10]: There are, you and I and a lot of the good people here who are listening on our feelings and listening in the podcast are standing for accountability and we are also standing with Marjorie Taylor Green and we are standing with right, which I'm like, that doesn't make any sense.
[SPEAKER_13]: What if they need three or four more?
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I think I think they also have, I think they also have Bobert, which you know, it's always handed to have her route.
[SPEAKER_10]: Sorry, pet joke.
[SPEAKER_10]: But the fact is, regardless of the jokes, these people have already signed, they're on the house petition, once they get enough votes, it goes through.
[SPEAKER_10]: And there's nothing that Tiny Johnson or the anti-accountability Republicans can do about it, which yay, that's great.
[SPEAKER_10]: But I'm sitting there saying,
[SPEAKER_10]: I didn't, I never thought that this would be the coalition, but you know what?
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm fine with this.
[SPEAKER_10]: And that ties back to what we were saying earlier tonight, that left-laning writer who's out there who was, well, if you don't stand, I'll stand with the crazy lefty.
[SPEAKER_10]: I stand with people who stand for accountability.
[SPEAKER_10]: I stand with people who stand for affordability.
[SPEAKER_10]: I stand with people who stand for governing the way that it's supposed to stand.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think you and I generally stand on most of the same issues in a similar stance, yes?
[SPEAKER_13]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_13]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_10]: So I'm saying, you're saying, these people who are like, well, if you don't stay in a minute, no, you can't be a purist and you can't, yes, purity test or dumb.
[SPEAKER_10]: And when it comes to things like big issues, like affordability and accountability, yes, we're going to have some odd coalitions, but that's how we win.
[SPEAKER_10]: How you win this discharge petition in the house.
[SPEAKER_10]: uh... how you win is you get a majority of members in the house right in their short by three or four they're very short like it's even two or three depending on depending on when you hear this in what time of day and who's counting but yes the ideas it's it's it's it's it's sure democracy democracy is who gets the most if you get fifty one percent congratulations or fifty percent plus one you win and and with this discharge position in the house that's exactly what happens once they
[SPEAKER_10]: boom, it's it's going through and everybody gets the absteen files.
[SPEAKER_10]: Trump, of course, as we played in that clip earlier said, well, this, this isn't going to stop.
[SPEAKER_10]: But you know what's going to stop?
[SPEAKER_10]: It's going to stop when people see that there's accountability.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, the thing is is that the DOJ, what we just saw released, we knew 97 percent of it.
[SPEAKER_13]: So they're still, they're still 66,000 pages of stuff.
[SPEAKER_10]: and there's recordings and there's all kinds of other information and conveniently every court that this stuff has gone to the judges of all said the stuff that you're really looking for is in that pile over there you know the pile metaphorically that Donald is standing in front of saying don't go near there don't go near we know we know what's that don't look in there right I think we all know what's there and that's you know all all all the people looking for is accountability
[SPEAKER_10]: Like I said, the watchwords for Democrats running for office.
[SPEAKER_10]: Now and going further, accountability and affordability.
[SPEAKER_10]: And if you can't get behind that, go sit down.
[SPEAKER_13]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_10]: So, all right, sorry, just a little little intense there, I know, look, we'll make it a little less intense with the drink of the day.
[SPEAKER_10]: We got that coming up.
[SPEAKER_10]: We got Bob Cesca coming up as well.
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[SPEAKER_10]: I am thirsty, and I am looking for a drink, uh, something that is tall and cool.
[SPEAKER_10]: And I'm not talking about the birch, Khalifa in Dubai.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's a very tall building.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's also very cool.
[SPEAKER_10]: We got a picture of it in the drink of the day today, because I couldn't go in the top.
[SPEAKER_13]: My vertigo would just go, we.
[SPEAKER_10]: I, you know, look, I've been to the top of the Sears Tower, and I still call the Sears Tower, because that's just what it is.
[SPEAKER_13]: Sears Tower.
[SPEAKER_10]: It is a serious tower.
[SPEAKER_10]: Willis was in different strokes, just saying.
[SPEAKER_13]: And I exactly, and I was in the, uh, forget what was called, but in the twin towers in the Iraq, the restaurant at the top.
[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, God, uh, the restaurant at the, at the, the, the, well, yeah, a friend of mine, uh, who's a cartoonist, Jeff Katurba, uh, he and his jazz band actually played there.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, yeah, so he's I went there with my mom and we actually sat at the window and I'm like can I not sit near windows on the world That's it and I was like no Mom No, we'll we'll sit a little bit further back as what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: Look.
[SPEAKER_10]: Let me the drink of the day today is to celebrate National skyscraper day who knew that was a day?
[SPEAKER_13]: I that's one of the weird things about being involved in radio is you get these calendars and you find out there's all these weird days national armadelo day whatever but yeah so it's like okay well it's the today's the birth of the father of modern skyscrapers ah Louis Sullivan yes Sullivan he built more than 100 buildings across the United States including the potential building the wane right building the Carson Perry Scott and company building
[SPEAKER_10]: Now that now the Chicago home insurance building a lot of people credit that to him but it wasn't him it was somebody else But then you've point out that Burj Khalifa is 2,717 feet.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's basically a half a mile.
[SPEAKER_13]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: No, thank you.
[SPEAKER_10]: We are celebrating today.
[SPEAKER_13]: What is the name of the boat around it?
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, pretty much.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah The name of the drink today is called a high riser cocktail makes sense
[SPEAKER_10]: Nice, and it's spelled R-Y-E-S-E-R.
[SPEAKER_10]: High Rysers, so that should give you a little hint of what's in there.
[SPEAKER_13]: So basically, you need a pre-chilled coupe glass.
[SPEAKER_10]: Got it?
[SPEAKER_13]: A mixing glass.
[SPEAKER_13]: That is.
[SPEAKER_13]: One and a half ounces of straight Rai whiskey.
[SPEAKER_13]: So an hardcore man, 50% alcohol.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, 100% alcohol.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 100% alcohol.
[SPEAKER_13]: Only have one, please.
[SPEAKER_13]: Seriously.
[SPEAKER_13]: One and a half ounces of stretchy,
[SPEAKER_13]: Rosso Vermuth or whatever Vermuth you prefer a dash of aromatic bit and I can never Angustura, I don't know that again.
[SPEAKER_13]: I look at the word if I hear it, I can Anyway, and then one orange zest twist and a meruchino cherry.
[SPEAKER_13]: So what do you use you pour all of the ingredients with ice into the mixing glass and stir it got it?
[SPEAKER_13]: You strain it into your coop glass.
[SPEAKER_13]: You address the orange zest over the cocktail and discard and then garnish with the Maristina cherry And if you have where to go drink this in a high place Seriously, it's a lot of booze man
[SPEAKER_10]: yeah uh uh Julie by the way uh she she uh added her comment on the drink of the day she said it sounds like the perfect drink which you know we we appreciate that Julie that is absolutely thank it is a nice drink look for those of you who missed any of the drink of the day or missed any of the show today the easiest thing you can do like we said just subscribe the politics bar dot com
[SPEAKER_10]: All right, plenty of other news on tap today, including some good news, which I knew about this last weekend, and I could not tell anybody about because you're in the know.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, well we got we got some we got some mutual friends Corey and I for those of you who missed it Senator Cory Booker is officially off the market.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_10]: He is engaged in his girlfriend Alexis Lewis and of course, you know, pretty much all of the entertainment media is going with what is Rosario Dawson have to say because you know, Corey and Rosario dated for a while.
[SPEAKER_10]: A little bit Alexis is I mean, I think she looks significantly different, but it's got a type Cori and a well pretty pretty pretty pretty and smart pretty and smart and strong and independent and so yeah So Cori and Alexis moved in this summer.
[SPEAKER_10]: He was on I can't remember what podcast he was on earlier this summer I think it was June and said that they moved in look she's got she's got her own
[SPEAKER_10]: it it's the best way to be.
[SPEAKER_10]: My I have I still have I I consider a friend now, but in some ways I still consider my counselor.
[SPEAKER_10]: Literally she was my junior high in high school counselor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_10]: Um, Rosanne Snowberger.
[SPEAKER_10]: I can just I can say that.
[SPEAKER_10]: She's friend of mine, so I still kind of consider a counselor, which means that she's literally been a counselor in one way or another mine for like 40 years, which is weird.
[SPEAKER_10]: She said the best way to have a relationship is not to have it as an A. Now, if you think of like a block letter A, okay, if you take a block letter A and you cut it in half, neither side can stand by itself, right?
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, the only reason that the standing is that they're leaning on each other.
[SPEAKER_10]: The best way to have it is like a block letter H with Sarah feet.
[SPEAKER_10]: You know what I mean, when you got Sarah on a letter, it's got little kind of flags.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: Because if you have a Sarah of H and you cut it in half, each side still can stand on its own.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's how relationships, good relationships are.
[SPEAKER_10]: You're better when you're together.
[SPEAKER_10]: But you can stand in your own if you need to.
[SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: So, yeah, she's she's brilliant.
[SPEAKER_10]: Snow is always great about that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_10]: Teaching me all kind of good stuff that I have continued on with throughout my life.
[SPEAKER_10]: So, yes, it took a village and a half to raise me.
[SPEAKER_10]: And I'm very glad that I have had all of this.
[SPEAKER_10]: You'll find me because Lord knows I would have gotten into trouble.
[SPEAKER_10]: Otherwise without them.
[SPEAKER_10]: So, well, obviously clearly Corey,
[SPEAKER_10]: of has had a lot of people, some of whom we haven't commented.
[SPEAKER_10]: You told me about it.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm very, very happy.
[SPEAKER_10]: Ron, you are.
[SPEAKER_10]: We're all happy for him.
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, you know.
[SPEAKER_13]: And the pictures are so sweet of the two of them.
[SPEAKER_13]: They were in Hawaii, and it was just, it seemed lovely.
[SPEAKER_10]: He got, I guess he had, she had told him at some point that there was this song that she really wanted at their wedding.
[SPEAKER_10]: So he, they're in Hawaii, and he, he had them, then play this song.
[SPEAKER_10]: And she had, I guess it forgotten that she told him this, which I'm like, very, very cool.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's the way to do it, Corey.
[SPEAKER_10]: So, so, and then she turns and she says, oh, that's the song that I want to play to her wedding.
[SPEAKER_10]: And he says, well, it's more like, this is this song you're going to have played to your proposal.
[SPEAKER_10]: But, and then he proposed.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm like, very smooth, very, very smooth, Corey, well played, well played, sir.
[SPEAKER_10]: So anyway, congrats, congrats to them.
[SPEAKER_10]: Also we mentioned earlier, congrats to two Democrats who won their elections last night in the for special elections for Florida legislature, won in the Florida State House and won in the Florida State Senate.
[SPEAKER_10]: So, and they, they weigh over performed.
[SPEAKER_13]: That's what's happening right now.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: And great.
[SPEAKER_10]: Let's see more of that Democrats got to get out there and do that by the way, uh, one of the resources that we oftentimes use for clips, uh, to get things around here, is Seespan and there's some very good news.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm, I'm one of those Seespan geeks, Randy was a Seespan geek.
[SPEAKER_10]: Um, I don't think that Steph sits around to watch the Seespan usually, but she does, she does like, you know, Seespan.
[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: Bob likes Seespan.
[SPEAKER_10]: You like Seespan.
[SPEAKER_10]: Seaspan is now going to be on YouTube TV and Hulu plus like time, so more people can see them.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yes, exactly what I said.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I mean, look, you can't know what's going on in your government.
[SPEAKER_10]: And we've had, we've put it in the news on tap before that like 75% of the people, if they're getting packaged TV services, as I guess what they call it now are getting them through streaming, like slang and Hulu and YouTube TV.
[SPEAKER_10]: And none of those had Seaspan.
[SPEAKER_10]: And I, I guess they're organized, he's better.
[SPEAKER_13]: No, I'm glad that's good.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's important for people to know what their government is doing.
[SPEAKER_10]: God, yes, God, yes, besides that, there's all kinds of other fun things they have on C-SPAN.
[SPEAKER_10]: If you want to watch people call into a call-in show sometimes and make complete fools themselves, C-SPAN is there to serve you with that as well.
[SPEAKER_10]: Also, they have some good documentary kind of stuff that they do occasionally.
[SPEAKER_10]: yeah watch your seespan enjoy your seespan donate to seespan if you can there you go uh... some other good news that's in the news on tap today um... google ma'am it's it's mixed google it they did avoid a break up it would have caused some trouble uh... the judge did order some changes they're still too big but you know whatever whatever at least it's not going to completely disrupt things and make things even worse but still
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, they have too much power.
[SPEAKER_10]: We'll have to deal with that when we have a better Congress and a better president.
[SPEAKER_10]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_10]: Some good music news.
[SPEAKER_10]: If you're fans of radio head, they're first tour date in seven years.
[SPEAKER_10]: They're announcing those.
[SPEAKER_10]: I believe they're mostly in Europe.
[SPEAKER_10]: So and also if you're a fan of the who, kind of who in the bar here is a fan of the who.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, that would be me.
[SPEAKER_10]: Okay, there's a new who box at 71 previously unreleased tracks and you probably should get it and give it to Jody if you put my birthday in January, kids.
[SPEAKER_13]: Just say it, save up my wedding anniversary is in a few weeks.
[SPEAKER_10]: Hey, look, you know what, I know exactly who could give that to you, the politics bar, just so.
[SPEAKER_10]: Just saying, that's that's that's that's that's your question WNBA news regular season coming to a close playf picture still clouded So if you thought you kind of knew it was going on now, which means it's gonna be good for the postseason.
[SPEAKER_10]: That'll be fun Some US open news little less fun Venus Williams and her partner Yeah, they they ended their their trek through the US open in the quarter finals But still 45 years old and absolutely kicking ass and she felt bad for her partner
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, she's like, I wish I'd played better for her partner, and I forget the woman's name, and that's unfortunate for me, but she's like I should have played better for the other person, not just for herself, but for the other, and I like that about her.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I do too.
[SPEAKER_10]: I do too.
[SPEAKER_10]: Um, it was, let's see.
[SPEAKER_10]: Uh, it was, it was Williams and Layla Fernandez.
[SPEAKER_10]: That was her partner.
[SPEAKER_10]: And they were, they were going to get Taylor Townsend and Katarina Sinecova and Townsend of Sinecova won 6162.
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, they're so straight sense.
[SPEAKER_13]: They won it.
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, yeah, I mean, they want it hard.
[SPEAKER_10]: Look, I mean, but, you know, when it, when the fact that that she's 45 and that she still got to the quarter finals at the US Open,
[SPEAKER_10]: That I, you know, that that's no small cheese.
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, she's been, she's been, she's been, almost 30, 30 years.
[SPEAKER_10]: 30 some odd year, 30, five years, I'm not sure she's been playing professionally.
[SPEAKER_13]: Almost 30 years.
[SPEAKER_10]: Almost, almost, yeah, I mean, she's been a badass for as long as I think any of us have ever known about her.
[SPEAKER_10]: And, and it's just, it's nice to see that she's still badass.
[SPEAKER_10]: Any guy who says that they could beat either of the William sisters that tennis.
[SPEAKER_10]: I laugh my ass off about this.
[SPEAKER_10]: One of the reasons why I'm always big into, look, professionals are important, whatever, if whatever your professional at professionals are better than amateurs at this.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm sorry, I know a lot of people will go, oh, I can do.
[SPEAKER_10]: Let the professionals do it.
[SPEAKER_10]: If you want to become a professional at something, if that's your goal, go for it.
[SPEAKER_10]: But if you're an amateur, understand that you're an amateur.
[SPEAKER_13]: And it's going to take time to learn.
[SPEAKER_10]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: If you want to be professionally again, all the professional started out as amateurs.
[SPEAKER_13]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_10]: But it's still nice to see a professional.
[SPEAKER_10]: Even when they're, you know, head and towards the end of their career and still kick an ass.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very nice.
[SPEAKER_10]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_10]: So big congrats to Venus Willis and her partner for getting that far.
[SPEAKER_10]: That was pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, he's Fernandez.
[SPEAKER_10]: Good take it on the doubles tour.
[SPEAKER_10]: So.
[SPEAKER_10]: If they keep going, I don't know if they will.
[SPEAKER_10]: Look, we will keep going.
[SPEAKER_10]: No, we have more here on Wednesday night here at the Politics Bar.
[SPEAKER_10]: We have Bob Saska coming in.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_10]: We still have more news on tap.
[SPEAKER_10]: We will recap a couple of things we've talked about already.
[SPEAKER_10]: And of course, we still have to talk about RFK.
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[SPEAKER_10]: He's got a good piece on Trump's kind of it's bizarre socialism, which it's for it's from a little bit earlier this last week, but Trump has this bizarre mix of socialism and fascism.
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, he's definitely trying to be fascist with these attacks on Chicago and Baltimore and New Orleans, and also he wants socialism for the rich.
[SPEAKER_02]: just for the rich.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_10]: What's what is the phrase?
[SPEAKER_10]: Socialism for the rich and rugged capitalism for everyone.
[SPEAKER_13]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_10]: Anywho.
[SPEAKER_10]: So we have some stories on all of that here in the news on tap, which you can subscribe to for free at thepoliticsbar.com.
[SPEAKER_10]: So, in the war on health and science, we mentioned this towards the top of the show.
[SPEAKER_10]: Absolutely ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_10]: Florida's hack of a surgeon general says the state will eliminate all vaccine mandates and then he compared them to slavery.
[SPEAKER_13]: What?
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, I mean, come on.
[SPEAKER_13]: Seriously.
[SPEAKER_10]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_13]: Makes bomb shots.
[SPEAKER_10]: Just as much apples.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, and remember Donald Trump considered him for surgeon general for the nation.
[SPEAKER_10]: and very glad he didn't, but when you are so bad crap crazy, that even Donald Trump and Steven Miller and people like that are like, nah, when even RFK Junior says, dude, you're way too crazy for me, and that's who Florida has as their surgeon general right now.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: Speaking of RFK Junior, more than a thousand current and former HHS staff have called on him to resign, which, you know, what's standing with you guys on that one.
[SPEAKER_10]: Hell yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: You're seeing Dr. Paul office.
[SPEAKER_10]: He's been on, uh, uh, yeah, CNN, MSNBC.
[SPEAKER_10]: He's been on CNBC.
[SPEAKER_10]: I've seen him on a lot of places.
[SPEAKER_10]: Um, you and I both had different versions.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think I think I went with the your version of the story on this, but he is the co-inveter of the road of virus vaccine, which is free.
[SPEAKER_10]: They will out there.
[SPEAKER_10]: Um, our FK Jr.
[SPEAKER_10]: moved him from the FDA vaccine advisory committee said said that his ideas were too weird.
[SPEAKER_10]: His ideas are science.
[SPEAKER_10]: No scientist, well-known scientist co-inveter of the road of virus vaccine and our FK Jr.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, he also said, don't listen to experts, so that's our FK Junior.
[SPEAKER_10]: God, look, folks like Bill Cassidy pissed me off.
[SPEAKER_10]: I know Senator Bill Cassidy is a doctor.
[SPEAKER_10]: He knew better than to vote for our FK Junior to confirm him.
[SPEAKER_10]: And yet he voted for him anyway because Donald Trump told him to.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_10]: When somebody is this goes along with the Fstein stuff, it really does.
[SPEAKER_10]: Because right now, we talked about an hour one how there, it's, it's a really strange coalition of different people Thomas Massey and Marjor Taylor Green and Lauren Bobert are hanging around with most of the Democrats right now and trying to get this discharge petition through because everybody's like fine.
[SPEAKER_10]: Let's get the Epstein files, everything on the table.
[SPEAKER_10]: Let's find out and make a whole accountable whoever is accountable, and then we can go past it.
[SPEAKER_10]: We can go on, we can do other things.
[SPEAKER_10]: Fine, great, wonderful, let's do that.
[SPEAKER_10]: But here's the thing is that that's that is a logical frame of thought.
[SPEAKER_10]: But the way to do that, an illogical frame of thought is vaccines are awful and they kill people and illogical frame of thought is if we stick our head in the sand or up our butts or everyone is stick your head and we ignore this gigantic thing, the Epstein files, which Donald Trump campaigned on.
[SPEAKER_10]: So did a lot of mega Republicans and they say, well, if we ignore it long enough, it'll go away.
[SPEAKER_10]: No, no, it did not work for Tiny Johnson and also here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_10]: It doesn't work in diseases either.
[SPEAKER_10]: If you catch polio, you can't just go, I'm going to ignore it.
[SPEAKER_10]: It'll go away.
[SPEAKER_13]: You catch me as soon as I'm ready for you.
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, you know, God, these things don't go away.
[SPEAKER_10]: You have to deal with the problems that are in front of you, whether that happens to be an empty mug.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yes, we'll get you.
[SPEAKER_10]: It is the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_10]: Whether it is an empty mug or whether it happens to be a, you know, a worldwide pandemic virus, you got to deal with the problems that are set in front of you.
[SPEAKER_10]: And you want to have experts who understand how to handle each of these things.
[SPEAKER_10]: And I, I, I do understand.
[SPEAKER_10]: I am glad though.
[SPEAKER_10]: Remember we talked about this.
[SPEAKER_10]: You said that that the the west coast was actually a little bit further ahead of them than the east coast states on this and you're right.
[SPEAKER_10]: We've got that in the news on tap of day two.
[SPEAKER_10]: Looks like California Oregon and Washington have announced plans to coordinate on vaccines.
[SPEAKER_10]: Basically giving the finger to RFK, which good.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, look, it'll be safe.
[SPEAKER_10]: I know that in Maryland, you can get a vaccine.
[SPEAKER_10]: You don't have to have a doctor's note.
[SPEAKER_10]: So that is where I will be getting my vaccine for COVID.
[SPEAKER_13]: I'm gonna try to get one this weekend.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, drive up, drive up to Bob's area of the woods.
[SPEAKER_10]: News on immigration fronts, the conservative Fifth Circuit Federal Appeals Court has rejected Trump's deportations under the Alien Animes Act.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yes, this goes along with the other stuff we were just saying.
[SPEAKER_10]: You can be awful.
[SPEAKER_10]: And the Fifth Circuit Court is so bad.
[SPEAKER_10]: They're about a half step to the left of Herman Gehring.
[SPEAKER_10]: No, I'm not using Hitler.
[SPEAKER_10]: But I am, but I'm not.
[SPEAKER_10]: But they are extremely right wing nuts.
[SPEAKER_10]: And even they are like, no, Donnie, the law does not say what you wish it said, you cannot do that no matter how much you want to.
[SPEAKER_10]: You cannot do that.
[SPEAKER_10]: Which of course is pissing him off.
[SPEAKER_10]: But, you know, also, remember, you said yesterday on the alligator alcatraz, you said that they were gonna move them somewhere else.
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, I know right now they've moved them to a prison, I think, in northern Florida, in the Florida Panhandle.
[SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: I believe you're correct.
[SPEAKER_10]: However, the Trump regime announced that they are expanding ice detention into Louisiana's notoriously horrific and goal of prison.
[SPEAKER_10]: Remember, it's a prison for like murderers, child molesters, rapists, the kind of place that Jelaine Maxwell should be, but you know, right.
[SPEAKER_10]: And that's where they're going to send immigrants who's only quote unquote crime, even though it's not actually a crime, it's just a civil action, is that they came here to get away from whatever they were getting away from to work here.
[SPEAKER_13]: Paperwork, I mean, it's, you know,
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, that, not having your current paperwork by God.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's something that deserves you being sent to Angle.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, there's no.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm like, I'm like, look, if that's the case, I want to see some of the people in Park Avenue thrown in Angola for not having their paperwork for certain things, because you can bet your ass some of the wealthiest people, some of the people in Malibu, not the good people, but some of the people there are same problem.
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, I don't have my paperwork.
[SPEAKER_10]: And three in Angola.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, that's what we're talking about folks.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's, yeah, it's ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_10]: If that's any who, the government shutdown watches on Congress has now 13, actually, depending on when you're listening to this, because at midnight tonight, Wednesday, it goes down to 12.
[SPEAKER_10]: So 12, the 13 legislative days to stop a government shutdown.
[SPEAKER_10]: And they still haven't done squat about it.
[SPEAKER_10]: What do you what do you want to bet that they're going to do a a continuing resolution CR they have to That's yeah, we're going to be able to get away with exactly hey look who's in the bar look who just came in It's you are in the bar.
[SPEAKER_10]: How are you doing tonight, Bob?
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm doing great But much better than Congress who we were just talking about they are 12 the 13 days depending on when the The other folks in the bar listening to this from a government shutdown
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, wonderful.
[SPEAKER_04]: The federal government's shugging along as usual.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, how much you want to bet that they're going to do a continuing resolution?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, they'll do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: They'll do it.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just like watching a reality show.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're like, oh my god, this is going to be a crisis.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they're all going to walk off the show.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be the end of the show.
[SPEAKER_04]: How are they going to recover from this?
[SPEAKER_04]: And they always do.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: The thing is, is that Democrats really need to do.
[SPEAKER_10]: They need to make sure that they don't do what Chuck Schumer had Democrats do in the spring.
[SPEAKER_10]: Which is to say, look, if you're going to do anything,
[SPEAKER_10]: You absolutely at the very minimum must say no decisions are allowed.
[SPEAKER_10]: Because otherwise, otherwise, it's just Trump and Maca Republicans, pancing Democrats all over again.
[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, you have to say, look, we're agreeing to a budget for the entire term of the budget.
[SPEAKER_10]: Whatever that CR is, maybe they do a CR through the end of 2026 past the elections, past the congressional elections.
[SPEAKER_10]: fine, but say no resisions because this is what we're agreeing to, you don't get to go back and change it after the fact.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the question after that is if they demand no resisions does Donald go ahead and Russ bought and all the rest of them just go ahead and do the resisions anyway.
[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, I mean, they will probably try to do it anyway, but then they'll end up in court and then they'll like so many of the things this this past week where even like we were just talking about this Bob the fifth circuit who as as I said to Jody the fifth circuit is so far right there have stepped to the left of Herman Gehring, which you know, I'm not exactly there they're extremely and even they said that Donnie's deportations under the Alien enemies act was a bunch of BS
[SPEAKER_10]: And that's the thing is that they will look at these pocket resisions because literally there are multiple government agencies that have said you cannot do pocket resisions It's illegal because ding-ding-ding-ding-ding-ding.
[SPEAKER_10]: So let's say the rust spot goes ahead and tries to do it anyway and then they'll go
[SPEAKER_04]: what did we tell you jackass right at some point it seems like a judge or two is going to start demanding that obviously not Donald but some of these others get arrested for contempt
[SPEAKER_10]: Vase I did for a contem.
[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, especially with some of the immigration actions.
[SPEAKER_10]: Um, they Bozburg was in the and the judge was at Zinnis this last weekend when they were they were trying to shuffle the kids off in the middle of the night.
[SPEAKER_10]: And she was woken up on a Sunday holiday at 2 a.m.
[SPEAKER_10]: because they were going to, you know, shuttle these kids off.
[SPEAKER_10]: They're on the plane.
[SPEAKER_10]: They're on the runway and she's like, I don't freaking think so.
[SPEAKER_10]: She stayed up, I guess, like, 24 hours.
[SPEAKER_10]: And then, you know, she's pissed at the DOJ lawyer, which I understand.
[SPEAKER_10]: I would have been, if it were me, a lot of those manga lawyers already would be in jail.
[SPEAKER_10]: But she's clearly, and I, I, I, I, 100% agree with you, Bob.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think that at some point fairly soon,
[SPEAKER_10]: The lawyers who were left at the Trump DOJ, they're going to try and do Donald's bidding and some judges are going to say, I had enough of your crap.
[SPEAKER_10]: You're in the clank.
[SPEAKER_10]: You're done.
[SPEAKER_10]: And then they'll be like, oh, we're not messing around anymore.
[SPEAKER_10]: Like, no, the law is the law, the rules of the rules and we ain't playing Calvin Ball.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_10]: We are so glad to have you here.
[SPEAKER_10]: Bob, it is a Wednesday night.
[SPEAKER_10]: We got Bob SESCA.
[SPEAKER_10]: Bob, look, I've got Bob SESCA's in the house.
[SPEAKER_10]: Hello.
[SPEAKER_10]: Hi.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm here.
[SPEAKER_10]: He is.
[SPEAKER_05]: He is the one and only idea of a Bob, like, whoa.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's what we say when you come here.
[SPEAKER_10]: So, look, Bob is here.
[SPEAKER_10]: He will be here for, we'll talk about all kinds of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_10]: So we were talking to the break about some of Donnie's fascism and now he's, you know, threat name going Chicago.
[SPEAKER_10]: And did you hear today by the way, Bob?
[SPEAKER_10]: Uh, Johnny and I were talking about this early.
[SPEAKER_10]: He threatened to go to New Orleans now.
[SPEAKER_04]: New Orleans.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: All the more there.
[SPEAKER_04]: The state attorney general won't go after him because it's the attorney general in Louisiana is a Republican.
[SPEAKER_10]: So is the governor down there right, but that's that's something actually that I notice that was kind of interesting is that Donnie said that today that he said that they might go to New Orleans at the request of Republican governor Landry.
[SPEAKER_10]: at the request.
[SPEAKER_10]: That means it exposes the lie.
[SPEAKER_10]: That means that he knows that he needs the governor's approval to send troops.
[SPEAKER_10]: He knows it.
[SPEAKER_10]: He just is trying to do what he does where he does all this puffery and oh I'm I'm more excited about we had that we had the piece in the news on tap yesterday and we were talking about Jared Rizney.
[SPEAKER_10]: Jared's going to be here tomorrow along with John Fuegel saying which is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Excellent.
[SPEAKER_10]: Um, Jared lives in diesel.
[SPEAKER_10]: So you live in the Maryland part of the DC metro area, Bob.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_10]: I live in the Virginia part.
[SPEAKER_10]: Um, Jared lives in the DC part, like actually in DC.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, good.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we formed the full DMV.
[SPEAKER_10]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_10]: The three of us combine or like some type of a Voltron.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's just a Voltron of the metro area.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_10]: DC Metro Voltron anyway, but but he's he's been he's been big in this you can tell me about it before some of the other major media road up about this so what a lot of the neighborhoods are doing like they have their neighborhood watch they have their their neighborhood people Everybody's got a freaking phone everybody's got a phone
[SPEAKER_10]: so they are they they basically take shifts and they have especially if they've seen like the the ice monsters roaming around their neighborhood or whatever and everybody's watching these people and if these people do so much as you know kick over a flower or a fart in the wrong place their asses are on camera yep yeah
[SPEAKER_10]: And they are telling the people in Chicago, you'll be ready and do the same thing.
[SPEAKER_10]: And everybody is referring back to the DAG and Philly, Crasner, who we mentioned, well, you were gone last year, but yeah, we mentioned Crasner because Crasner's idea, Crasner put out this thing and he said, look, if any of these, if they send them to Philly and they break any Philly laws, they break any Pennsylvania laws, we're going to come down on them like a ton of bricks.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm watching the polling really closely on the militarization of these cities and what's happening with whether it's DC or Los Angeles, Chicago, New Orleans, et cetera, because it needs to remain immensely unpopular.
[SPEAKER_04]: It has to be, and I'll tell you exactly why, because I think part of the strategy is to
[SPEAKER_04]: So that this way, it can become, if it gets more popular and people start to realize, oh, having soldiers patrolling our cities, wow, that's cutting down on crime.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm in favor of that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then some of the evil of our cities are occupied by the federal government and the military.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that is essentially the end of democracy.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're talking about obviously democracy is an endangered species right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: But if Donald were to do this, deploy military, deploy national guard to all cities because people start to demand it.
[SPEAKER_04]: People start to get used to it.
[SPEAKER_04]: People like the idea, oh, there's no crime.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, what are you selling?
[SPEAKER_04]: What are you selling out for?
[SPEAKER_04]: low crime.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're selling out democracy.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're selling out American values.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're turning soldiers into police.
[SPEAKER_04]: And what we know is when you when you turn soldiers into police, suddenly the people become the enemies of the state.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that is immensely bad news.
[SPEAKER_04]: We can never, ever, ever accept this because we don't want to live in a police state.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's exactly what Donald Trump is trying to do.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's, he's, he's trying to soften the ground to make this a more permanent objective.
[SPEAKER_04]: And just waiting for people to go, okay, well, here we go again.
[SPEAKER_04]: And suddenly, every city is occupied by national guard or worse.
[SPEAKER_10]: One of the reasons why I think it's honestly a good thing, and I think it would be a good thing.
[SPEAKER_10]: if he sends the ice monsters or he sends national guard or whoever and they break the laws that they follow through like with what Krasner said and since everybody and everybody should be filming their asses on camera have it all on camera this particular person broke you know that the law like in Chicago now because you know Mayor Johnson said look if you're going to be here you have to have your mass soft you have to have a bad John you have to have your name
[SPEAKER_10]: And if they're like screw you and I don't have to do that and anything and then they grab somebody who is not an immigrant perfectly legal status and they rough them up or whatever.
[SPEAKER_10]: I want to see them grab that ice monster and throw them in prison and then somebody says to John so they go, well you through you through a member of the National Guard or you remember ice in jail and he goes, yeah, he broke the law.
[SPEAKER_10]: In our town, we have accountability.
[SPEAKER_10]: We have accountability for what goes on and it doesn't matter if you are a member of ICE or the National Guard or the President of the United States.
[SPEAKER_10]: You break law on our town.
[SPEAKER_10]: We're going to hold you accountable.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I see that happen.
[SPEAKER_10]: I would love to.
[SPEAKER_10]: And I know we talked to John Fugo saying last week and John was like, you know, that might be kind of, you know, a bad thing.
[SPEAKER_10]: I honestly, I thought about it.
[SPEAKER_10]: I don't think it would be a bad thing.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think it would be a good thing, kind of like with the Epstein files.
[SPEAKER_10]: The whole thing, look, all of the people are wanting is accountability.
[SPEAKER_10]: We were talking about this did you did you see that this morning on the steps of the capital Bob?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_04]: And including the deliberate military flyover that was a flyover that Donald ordered.
[SPEAKER_10]: Multiple.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: During the middle of it, that was like, that was just ridiculous trying to keep the mission.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Childish absolutely, Jody.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the thing that I kept thinking about too is, thank goodness we didn't have a mishapp in the process.
[SPEAKER_04]: as we have seen in the past, certainly in the DC area, where near Mrs. occur at Reagan National and so on, and so there was a possibility, Donald exploiting the military to disrupt a presentation like this, to disrupt a rally, is one thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: but then to do it and it ending up in some form of death or destruction, because that military vehicle has collided with something else.
[SPEAKER_04]: That would have been just beyond anything we could possibly imagine.
[SPEAKER_04]: So
[SPEAKER_04]: thank goodness it didn't happen that way but it could very easily have happened that's why you don't mess around with this and that's why Donald is so reckless in his exploitation of the military for not only on the ground but obviously now in the sky.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I mean, because he's so selfish, he thinks all of it belongs to him.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's like, dude, it doesn't belong to you.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm not exactly sure of what, but one of the reforms that we actually, we had one of our, one of our listeners, one of the members here in the bar.
[SPEAKER_10]: Let me see if I can scroll up in my notes here and find it because he's a constant.
[SPEAKER_13]: How much did that cost us?
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, it's expensive as hell to have those planes do that.
[SPEAKER_10]: But Tom was talking about, he left some messages on Facebook and says there are things that we need to do a list of things that we need to do when Democrats, when sane people get back in charge again.
[SPEAKER_10]: One of the things that I really think that we need to do is to make it extremely clear to all of America.
[SPEAKER_10]: The President of the United States is not a king.
[SPEAKER_10]: The President of the United States is not supposed to be the figure.
[SPEAKER_10]: The chief paper shuffler of the United States.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's the job of the person who is the presiding officer of the United States.
[SPEAKER_10]: Call him a PO, call him whatever you want.
[SPEAKER_10]: But they're the presiding officer.
[SPEAKER_10]: you're not a king.
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, like I said, maybe make the name presiding officer as opposed to president, something that is harder for people to say, harder for people to gloss over, harder for people to insert in their daily language in the same place that they would insert king or zar because if it's presiding officer, people go presiding officer, God, that sounds boring.
[SPEAKER_10]: Sounds like some jackass is just shuffling paper.
[SPEAKER_10]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's exactly the job whoever sits in that chair.
[SPEAKER_10]: Shuffle paper and make sure that everybody gets the stuff that they need.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's your job.
[SPEAKER_10]: Your job is not king.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, if we get a chance, and this would require almost a complete rewrite of some articles of the Constitution.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I think a switch over to a parliamentary system would be so much better for democracy because that is right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've seen this happen before where we export the presidential system to developing nations.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we do that mistakenly because what happens is it's so easy for a president to turn into a dictator.
[SPEAKER_10]: And then they go, you know what, we think the parliamentary system would do better in the shift, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, look how we establish the Iraqi government after the Iraq War.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a parliamentary system.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a prime minister who's not a president because we know even the most conservative constitutional scholars understand that a presidential system can very easily become bastardized.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we need to, I mean, I hope we get a chance based on the disaster of the Trump era.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I, I would really love to see that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's a huge ask given our grappling to the existing constitution.
[SPEAKER_10]: big heavy lift it would require but if we don't try it we won't know and I think I think I think at the very least we should do things this these are here are some of the other suggestions that Tom had from Facebook when he sent us to Jody and I he said we should change it so no convicted felons should allow to be put us and you you had some you had some alterations on that you said not everybody not every felon i mean because there's some felonies it should have never been felonies you got to decide what kind of felonies we're talking about here
[SPEAKER_13]: You know what Donald has done, fraud, you know, sexual assault, murder, you know, things that we know that these people for sure did, no, but not everybody that's a felon should be barred from running for any offense.
[SPEAKER_10]: But like certain high level felon and felonies absolutely bar those overturned citizens united that's another one the top suggested uh... here's another one uh... expand the house and he also said the senate which i'm like okay but he said expand the house and senate for better representation and we can expand the house the only way to expand the senate is to take uh... dc and all the other territories and make them states or at least offer them the ability to be states which i'm fine with that
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I have no problem with that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I also would like to see.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think this is absolutely doable.
[SPEAKER_04]: It would be even better with a constitutional amendment.
[SPEAKER_04]: But a complete and total ban on executive orders.
[SPEAKER_04]: And what we need, what we need in order to do that is a president who is prepared to sign that legislation, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Or a president who is prepared to back and campaign for a constitutional amendment.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because as we have seen, I mean, one of the bastardizations of the presidency that we have seen in the last four years,
[SPEAKER_04]: not the last four years.
[SPEAKER_04]: The last nine months.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, certainly.
[SPEAKER_04]: And going back to this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, is the absolute abuse of the executive order process.
[SPEAKER_04]: And obviously Republicans will say, well, Barack Obama and Joe Biden are using executive order.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, it's because we exist in an era where executive orders are legal, but what Donald Trump has done is he is attempting to legislate using executive orders, whether it's a year in prison, if you burn a flag or anything like that, which is not going to hold up to anything judicial scrutiny, absolutely not, but the fact is that what we have seen here is.
[SPEAKER_04]: how executive orders can empower a dictator, right, power a tyrant, and so coming out of this dark ride, coming out of this crisis, we need to do things like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: There needs to be a series of laws, if not straight-up constitutional amendments, to to to real in the powers of the presidents.
[SPEAKER_04]: and as I said in order to do that, you need a president of goodwill who is willing to real in their own powers.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I really do think that we need to do a whole wholesale reform of the government in in a whole lot of ways.
[SPEAKER_10]: I wouldn't necessarily get rid of executive orders, but I would definitely limit them.
[SPEAKER_10]: One of one of Tom's other suggestions was to get rid of the Electoral College.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think we all agree with that.
[SPEAKER_10]: Joe, he's like, yes, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: right and then you know what that's actually in the offing i talk about this quite a bit but we're pretty damn close to eliminating the electoral college as a functional aspect of our national elections right there's the national interstate uh... compact national popular road interstate complex right parable name for the thing
[SPEAKER_04]: I think they're up to 206 electoral votes, states have passed this law with the equivalent of 206 electoral votes, when they get to 270, the law kicks into effect, and all of those states that have passed this law allocate their electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so that's kind of happening under the radar for now.
[SPEAKER_04]: And every time I mention it, I go, ah, maybe I shouldn't be mentioning it because I'm watching it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want the eye of Sauron to suddenly shine.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's spotlight directly on the thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: But we're so damn close.
[SPEAKER_04]: So there's still some blue states and all the states.
[SPEAKER_10]: Even if you get that, I still think we should go back and fix some of the other laws, you know?
[SPEAKER_10]: And literally strike down the artificial college.
[SPEAKER_10]: Be like, you know,
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, we've got to work on the government.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's a constant requirement.
[SPEAKER_13]: That's harder than what we're trying to do.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: A tough, tough climb.
[SPEAKER_04]: But also to pass this at the state level, I think is a lot easier.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: I also am very much in favor of expanding the Supreme Court.
[SPEAKER_10]: I've mentioned this to you guys before.
[SPEAKER_10]: I I prefer rule of 18.
[SPEAKER_10]: I don't think it should be 13.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think it should be 18.
[SPEAKER_10]: So we don't have to worry about expanding the court for another hundred years And then make it six each left right in center and every case is heard by a random three from each of those categories.
[SPEAKER_10]: So yes, each case is heard by nine
[SPEAKER_10]: but whoever's bringing the cases they have absolutely no idea who's going to be hearing it which does make justice blind the way that we want to be so that people are actually paying attention to the law as opposed to going well we got a leader when we got scaly and we got robberts in our pocket we'll get a couple of others and man we'll just run this thing through which is what they do now so
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[SPEAKER_10]: Sure, that's all right.
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[SPEAKER_10]: We will talk about his piece that he did in the banter here this last week.
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[SPEAKER_10]: We talk about all kinds of fun stuff including trek politics You told us last week that it's coming back and I saw a little post.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think it was on blue sky That said that there's an episode in the pattern buffer
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mary, Mary Trump and I recorded our first episode on Monday this week and I think that episode is going to officially drop this coming up weekend.
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to say possibly Sunday, but because we're just now relaunching the show, it's we're still in a kind of a state of flux getting into a rhythm with rolling them out and so forth.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're getting into a schedule.
[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, the first episode is absolutely in the can we talked about the latest episode of strange new worlds, or one of the newer episodes of strange new worlds, which is an episode called What is Starfleet?
[SPEAKER_04]: And it raised an interesting question certainly in the wheelhouse of track politics, which is Starfleet and the Federation of Colonizing Power.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I tend to spoiler warning, I tend to say,
[SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely not.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's in no way, it's not a purely imperialistic at all.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's more like NATO or the United Nations, and so we talked all about that is very more on the other side of that sheet.
[SPEAKER_04]: Or is she just kind of she know.
[SPEAKER_04]: She absolutely great.
[SPEAKER_04]: We disagreed in terms of the overall episode, what we thought of the episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: I kind of liked the episode, she wasn't as into it as I was, but then we also talked about the politics of Star Trek as a franchise, and how the Skydance merger may affect the values, the woke values of Star Trek.
[SPEAKER_04]: I hope not.
[SPEAKER_10]: I really hope not because I mean, and I also look at it and say, it's almost like, I think of it in terms of you really couldn't.
[SPEAKER_10]: There are some, there are some, some things like that.
[SPEAKER_10]: Did you really just can't mess with?
[SPEAKER_10]: Because if you go in, you stick to finger, and it's going to mess the whole thing up.
[SPEAKER_10]: And then you, then you, you spent millions of dollars getting certain, you know, skydance buying paramount.
[SPEAKER_10]: And yes, we want, you know, this franchise, and that franchise, and the other franchise,
[SPEAKER_10]: And it's worth, you know, a bajillion dollars or whatever.
[SPEAKER_10]: And they do that and it's like gutting the franchise.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's like destroying the franchise.
[SPEAKER_10]: So it'd be like taking a billion dollars and throwing it out the window.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's like New Coke.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Joe news, right.
[SPEAKER_04]: The progressive values of Star Trek are as intrinsic to Star Trek as Volkens and Klingons and the Enterprise.
[SPEAKER_04]: And just it's so woven into the fabric of the show.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I could understand and the movies as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I can understand how they would want in an era of diversified media where our attention is being dragged in all kinds of different directions to have something that was more action-oriented or, you know, in some way, pulse pounding.
[SPEAKER_04]: and attention grabbing, and maybe long cerebral conversations about diversity and infinite combinations, and so forth, IDIC, the Vulcan philosophy may not satisfy that, and we've seen it work.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've seen that approach work with the JJ Abrams 2009 Star Trek reboot.
[SPEAKER_04]: Which by the way, you know, I thought did a fine job in terms of explaining how things are different in that universe, but it didn't really hit some of the traditional or that traditional, but the some of the Star Trek values that we had come to know and on the other side of that section 31, which wasn't really about Star Trek values.
[SPEAKER_04]: In fact, it was more of a sinister approach and more action oriented approach to Star Trek and that didn't do very well at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: It depends on what they're looking at, and it also depends quite a bit on uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, and also on the upside, Chris Parnell, who's taking over a senior vice president of originals at Paramount Plus, is a huge Star Trek fan, and who is also friends with one of the greatest Star Trek minds of our time, Mark Altman, who was also responsible for the Trek politics panels that I've sat in on, and Mary has, too, over the last couple of years.
[SPEAKER_04]: So with that endorsement from Mark Altman for Chris Parnell, who, as I said, taking over
[SPEAKER_04]: paramount plus.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's exceptionally good news.
[SPEAKER_04]: So on that front, I'm hopeful that Star Trek values will continue on even despite the rise of anti-woq politics in this country and so on.
[SPEAKER_10]: I still think that I am not as worried.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's not to say that I'm not worried about the fascism and the ridiculousness of Trump and Maga and all of that.
[SPEAKER_10]: But I continue to be less worried because of that diversity.
[SPEAKER_10]: Because there are so, I mean, we're a nation of basically 350 million people.
[SPEAKER_10]: We know.
[SPEAKER_10]: We're also a bunch of weirdos.
[SPEAKER_10]: uh... my dad who used to do trade with china when he was alive he did that was one of the things he did some business some business trade assisted on some some trade issues um... and he he talked with some of his his chinese partners about this type of stuff and he said you know uh... god this was nineteen this was the nineties so this was yeah uh... nineties early two thousand and and was like you know all republican say oh you know chinese want to take over the world and his chinese partners would laugh at that
[SPEAKER_10]: And they're like, no, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_10]: We do not want to take you people over.
[SPEAKER_10]: We have a more, our government has a difficult enough time controlling us, you people are crazy.
[SPEAKER_10]: And the whole world thinks Americans are nuts.
[SPEAKER_10]: So we already helped.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_10]: And they're like, we already have a difficult enough time controlling our people you people are wacko We have no desire But the the analogy that his is business friend said is it's kind of like in cycling.
[SPEAKER_10]: He said we want to Try don't want's to draft behind the US
[SPEAKER_04]: Now you're talking to my language, man.
[SPEAKER_10]: We want, we want you guys to get hit in the face with all the bugs and all the crap.
[SPEAKER_10]: So we can ride in behind you and have it easier.
[SPEAKER_10]: But you guys, you do the stupid crap and from what I've been seeing, reading some international newspapers and international news organizations and stuff, China is now being expected in a lot of these third world nations to pick up the slack that the US has dropped.
[SPEAKER_10]: and they're having a lot of difficulty because China doesn't necessarily want, China doesn't want to be in the lead.
[SPEAKER_10]: They want the U.S.
[SPEAKER_10]: to be in lead, so we handle that crap, and they can come in kind of on the side, but not necessarily be, and it's interesting to watch that that conflict, but it goes along with the whole thing here of, like we're saying earlier with Jared and the folks in DC watching all of the ice monsters and the national guards people,
[SPEAKER_10]: because we're all different and yet when we find our community, our local community, our neighborhood community, whatever, and we all focus on a goal, we are so much more powerful when we are united because of our differences, when we use our differences, this person is you know, great at staying up until four in the morning, great.
[SPEAKER_10]: You film at that time, Joe, he's going to be asleep.
[SPEAKER_13]: Show, show, we'll leave you with all the up at three.
[SPEAKER_13]: So, okay,
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you make great points, Sean, and one of the things I wanted to add just to temper that is the fact that I'm concerned about people who look like the three of us.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm concerned about, Amen.
[SPEAKER_04]: White people who are afraid of, and obviously, wrongfully so, they're afraid of their country being taken away from them, and are therefore embracing fascist authoritarianism, as we have seen, especially people who specifically look like me and Sean.
[SPEAKER_04]: White males are a big issue.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we are a diverse nation.
[SPEAKER_04]: I still believe that our culture is quite liberal.
[SPEAKER_04]: The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of people with broken BS detectors who think that well, you know what democracy is a failure.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's try this other thing and that's the thing that keeps me up at night.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, no, I'm with the on that one and all that that that's the whole thing with the whole a party in China this week was she and Putin and Boyfriends He got man he did he did you see that today.
[SPEAKER_10]: He got man he overlaps.
[SPEAKER_10]: He's there with the Polish president and he's like, you know, basically kind of you know trash talk.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's like
[SPEAKER_10]: what a jackass you are.
[SPEAKER_10]: He was saying they that that she did it all for him.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm like let me get to straight literally you think that she's the old man and he it wasn't the I mean that's that's that's what that's what he said I didn't I didn't pull the pull the clip but he he said that they did the whole parade for him.
[SPEAKER_10]: for those of you who don't have the ability to see, Jody just gave Donald Trump the salute, and I'm not talking the one off the top.
[SPEAKER_10]: Donald, you are, in fact, number one.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yes, that one.
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, seriously, he's, first up, Donald is boring to me.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yes, he's tall and he's a child, and he needs to go buy.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_10]: Look, look, J.V.
[SPEAKER_10]: Vance is, you know, I'm sorry he would not be an improvement.
[SPEAKER_10]: We guarantee we know that's, you know.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, but he doesn't have the charisma that Donald does.
[SPEAKER_10]: And that's one of the reasons that he would be an improvement because you can even see with with the the the members of the Republican caucus who were standing there on the steps today with the Epstein survivors.
[SPEAKER_10]: The Republican caucus is not nearly as united as they have been and when it's not a rumor anymore when Donald does die.
[SPEAKER_10]: They are going to fracture and faction into all kinds of pieces.
[SPEAKER_10]: There's going to be six, eight, ten different groups of them.
[SPEAKER_10]: They won't be able to get a damn thing done, which is fine because everything that they've done sucks.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's no one else with that kind of charisma.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not saying that to compliment Donald in any way should be performed.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just saying.
[SPEAKER_04]: for that magnetism, he's a magnet for morons, and JD Vance doesn't have that same hole.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I kind of bristle at this notion that somehow JD Vance is going to be worse than Donald Trump, nothing could be worse than Donald Trump.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I wouldn't say that.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a boring, that's a funny thing.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, after tonight, you'll have to go outside the bar and you'll spend around three times and spit and say the thing I'm high at what I'm
[SPEAKER_10]: I guess that where Putin would be worse than Donald Trump.
[SPEAKER_10]: Exactly, but the idea is I, I guess what you're saying is it would be hard and yet, I, I would definitely, I, I wouldn't shed a tear if if if if the rumors became true, I would not shed it here.
[SPEAKER_13]: Very few people would.
[SPEAKER_10]: No, I think I'd have a party.
[SPEAKER_04]: I've already said when it happens not not if it happens when it happens Because we haven't got a huge party Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be a good deal.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's going to be a good deal.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's going to be upset.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: No, I think his children would be upset at all as long as they got their money next Friday They would not care at all.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I honestly don't think that there it's only the sick of fans that might be a little bit upset But honestly most people don't like him
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I've always said there there are going to be lines of people waiting to pee on his grave.
[SPEAKER_10]: Actually a friend of mine said something and she said that that would that would be something that she would like to see is that people actually you know did did line of it because I'm going to like.
[SPEAKER_10]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's going to have to put like some sort of security gate around where he's better.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, like a giant diaper.
[SPEAKER_13]: The star and Hollywood Boulevard keeps
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's the truth.
[SPEAKER_10]: Because, you know, I'm sorry that there are not going to be monuments to Donald when this is all said and done.
[SPEAKER_13]: What I thought he was going to be on Mount Rushmore.
[SPEAKER_10]: No, maybe Mount Trashmore for those of you who know what I'm talking about there.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: Bob it is always fantastic to have you in the bar which we love doing every Wednesday night of course People can always listen to you on the Bob Cesca show.
[SPEAKER_10]: They can find you on your Patreon page They can find you with a banter everywhere that good things are that's where Bob Cesca is and
[SPEAKER_10]: We're very glad that you come.
[SPEAKER_10]: We'll see you next week.
[SPEAKER_10]: Thank you both.
[SPEAKER_10]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'll be here.
[SPEAKER_10]: Excellent.
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