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[SPEAKER_01]: Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls.
[SPEAKER_01]: Baltimore Sports fans of all ages.
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to section three, three, six.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next generation of one of our sports talk.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm your in-gillings-string host Matt Sworkas.
[SPEAKER_01]: Always I'm joined by the button lever Josh Sworkas.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, how are you Matt?
[SPEAKER_00]: How's your day going?
[SPEAKER_00]: A little late.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we've ever recorded the show on a Friday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've moved around.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like the new, like, let's find it afternoon where we can do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: My schedule in the evening's gotten tricky because, you know, education nowadays, a lot of adult students.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now I teach on Monday nights and Wednesday nights.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then Salas has baseball on Tuesdays and Thursday now with wreckballs.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we've got it now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now that I work from home all the time, doing podcasts, and I love just an afternoon recording.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm all good with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'm going with the two.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in my office here.
[SPEAKER_01]: These walls are thin, so my neighbors are looking to talk about sports.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not the time of year where you're frustrated.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to be yelling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the ones you got to do at home.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't do any yelling on this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: someone could knock my door in any moment, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I wanted to start the judge.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was giving you a hard time about something, probably over a year ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you said you did something.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, I don't, I applied in saying it the time, but in the back of my mind, I was judging the heck out of you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure, as that's something else I had for doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, something's emerged in my own life in terms of baseball on my son.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm leaning to doing what you did and what you advised, though I don't have the courage to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I'm embarrassed about how other people will view me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this has to do with little league.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I gave you another hint.
[SPEAKER_01]: This has to do with.
[SPEAKER_01]: So in travel ball, Silas has solidified himself as an outfielder.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to play first.
[SPEAKER_01]: Our first base is so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's never going to play first.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to be an outfielder.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we've been working on fly balls.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is your first base been left handed?
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so he's going to be in the way for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's elite too.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but so whatever, so he's good without feeling.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're working on out for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a, it's a pain that hit those pop flies, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm right where you're going.
[SPEAKER_01]: Josh, I, I was a good baseball player, good and little league played high school ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought for sure, I can get a bucket of balls and hit 75% of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good fly balls right to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Agreed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm lucky Josh, if 30% get to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I used to think the same thing and then I came out and I said, I'm going to get this rocket.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to talk about the rocket and it sounds silly, but I've even seen rockets in major league stadiums.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, it's professionals using it, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I just want to make sure the people around me know that professionals use it, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know if they know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't want them to see me out here with the rocket and fly balls to my son.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, what they'll see is perfectly hit balls to your son.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a difference, like I can throw them pop ups, but it's not the same as kind of coming off the bat.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's coming off the bat, it's coming off the bat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like coming off the bat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it works very well.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's as good as the bat.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're not going to want to press this line drives, but I've hit ground balls with it, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have one?
[SPEAKER_00]: I have one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you use it?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's in those grudges.
[SPEAKER_00]: Would you like to, would you like to borrow it for a while?
[SPEAKER_00]: Next time you come up, if you want to bring it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll stick him down a week back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I'm coming up in a few weeks.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to try that out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's try that out with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or do you know what we'll do?
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll go to a ball field and see who can hit balls better to the silence.
[SPEAKER_00]: You and your baseball bat are me and my racket.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll let Silas decide.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Silas, you see, and understand, he gets mad at me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and understandable.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was not, you had a time like, I'm going to get 50%.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then I don't even get 50%.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they get mad at me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's getting out there waiting for me to hit me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I totally get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need the racket.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, but you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes sense that of course you were going to argue against me and think I'm being stupid because I was doing something smart and you just didn't want to admit it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's that's why But every every personal listen spotcast I would say 90% of them think it's ridiculous to use a rocket to hit flyballs
[SPEAKER_01]: You use a baseball bat.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, people can do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a travel buck coach can do it with 90% accuracy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hit the fly ball, but where it wants to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just can't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't believe I can't do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but the racket gets you the accuracy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It gets it to them harder.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's less effort from you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're getting an order.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need some help.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're stuck with the motor.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that I would.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Camping yards.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw one time they were hitting fly balls off a T.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever tried that?
[SPEAKER_01]: The coaches hit and fly balls off a tee.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have not tried that, it makes sense because I could get under it all better.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think about when you miss it.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you miss the ball, when you're trying to hit pop flies, it's because you're trying to throw with one hand, then grab the bat and swing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which we could all do when we were younger, it just gets a little more difficult.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so, bring your racket.
[SPEAKER_00]: your argument thinking I'm stupid reminds me of a conversation I had with Kelly this week.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, she said it is just feeding into Josh's ego where Josh is going to be proven right about everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, this is about you.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is about you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
[SPEAKER_00]: That she said that you and I should sign up for the amazing race.
[SPEAKER_00]: because we are super competitive, but even more than that, we argue about everything, so we'd be very entertaining, arguing the entire time we're racing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that would work that in television.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I told you, I said, I'll do any competition with you because when we're in a competition, we can speak that, like we don't need to speak, we can cover each other and know how to play well with each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, we're gonna argue and pick for the entire time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we probably would have been more successful 15 years ago on that course, but yeah, point taken.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Rick, we're going to get some baseball or else talk.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, what do we, what do we, what do we start?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the we've got three games left.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can we start with the last game at Cambodian yards?
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, because how come no first of all afternoon game no one texted me.
[SPEAKER_01]: He texted me the ninth.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got to text you about hey Dylan Beaver's just walked it off.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I I turn it on right before the Kobe Mayo home run actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, because I was leaving from work and I just was one on the MLB I bad up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he would time their replying and notice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they're already.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I forgot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I normally text you like the third fourth fifth in and when something happens and then you learn.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I never could keep up the afternoon games.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but Josh, I just want to point out.
[SPEAKER_01]: What an amazing way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this true that Dylan Beaver's first at bat in Camping Yards with a home run and his last up after the season, Camping Yards home run?
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely so.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's that sounds about right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And how fitting that Kobe Mayo had the big home run to tie it and then Dylan Beaver's two kind of young prospects who were counting on as being part of the future, kind of let us in in our last Camping Yards.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was very maybe good moment for for what's coming next year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and don't forget right, Mount Castle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't get one yesterday, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good for Ryan, make this case for next year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a fun way to end the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that they've mixed it up with the Ravens helmet for home run.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love this synergy of the city.
[SPEAKER_00]: We saw it on Monday night football where it looked like half the team went to the game on Monday night.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hopefully we'll have to have time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, of course they did, they got, they got a game the next day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, I was just meaning the performance of the Ravens model.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, um, no, I can totally under it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, I'd leave at half time, too, just to be traffic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Josh, that Ravens game real quick?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't recall.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to think about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The last time another football team just,
[SPEAKER_01]: beat us up and kind of every else dominated our defense usually it's like with the bills like we beat ourselves and that's why we lose we do stupid stuff and there was a little bit of that with the fumble we got no sex and I was trying to think there was only like one or two three and out like who are defense was so bad
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's been a lot and I think it says some of the reasons I also think like I texted you well I think the lions are super ball team like I think there are I think they are I think I think I do I think they are very good and they're just and They're one of those teams where you can tell they're getting better week each week
[SPEAKER_01]: Right everyone's time with the new coordinators clearly they're figuring it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, really quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, totally great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but yeah, so we got excitement with Dylan Beaver's Kobe Mayo Does that mean do you think those guys have kind of secured their spot for next year?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like beaver's obviously mayos been a question mark, but this last month mayos been on fire
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not the real mayo.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the, this is, but this is what makes it so hard for the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we all agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: This year is kind of a blip and we'll be back next year, but you're counting on young players to take the next step.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're counting on the silo to be good next year, but all day continuing to improve.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're counting on beavers to be good.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're counting on and all of these guys have zero track record.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, like even, but even now, I mean, Mayo has 10 home runs played about half the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Been bad for most of the season, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But even a bad still has 10 home runs.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's runs, I don't know, it seems like in a team that kind of lacks a power guy, a middle order guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, you really hope it can work out for me out because he could really fit in need.
[SPEAKER_01]: Both him and the silo feel like, oh, if they can kind of take the next step, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That could really help his offense.
[SPEAKER_00]: It really, it makes it, you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes this all season even trickier.
[SPEAKER_00]: because I can tell, you can roll the same guys out next year.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel comfortable.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's scary.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still thinking we need one out filter.
[SPEAKER_01]: We need one with a big batter in, proven out filter, who can guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because right now, and it's like you got Adley, you got Gunner, and those guys need to step up and be the, they are the leaders of this team.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're the old guys on this team now.
[SPEAKER_00]: But to get a true veteran would be nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I see no spot for them playing the infield with third note and short and stuck in our clearly locked up and I mean I guess you are a little bit of first to be interested to see with Mount Castle and Mario and Bassayo all first base options right I'm okay with wrong with that next year I am too and I'm pretty good at center so.
[SPEAKER_00]: either you keep them that center and get a corner out of it or you get a new center filter and then that's I really think yeah I think it's probably calzer in center bevers moves to the left and then you get a new right filter that's a bigger bat not not um oh yeah I jackson oh I forgot about Jeremiah Jeremiah Jackson had had earned a spot on this team as well
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and I think there's room for Jeremiah Jackson and I'll feel like I think Jeremiah Jackson is, can play everywhere, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He becomes, when I don't get hurt, he's at depth piece and he becomes, you know, he's definitely made a, he's himself to be here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's your material replacement because I think time for an animal material.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's where we'll be a little bit stronger next year in the sense that these young players who are actually now here with the majors provide more depth, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Mayo and Bassayo and like more in terms of, I know they don't play third, you know, may have used to just in terms of like offense, because it seems like when Westburg goes out, the offense sputters.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think we have a more we'll have next year more well-rounded, kind of, especially if we had a woman around filter.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I helped it's always a factor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing about pitching to people staying healthy, yeah, it's always a different part.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's interesting on what players do in the offseason in that regard.
[SPEAKER_00]: We saw what Jackson Holiday make a pretty big step this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there was a lot of talk about his offseason regimen with the protein and ground beef every day where he was barking up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you saw that in his game this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and they, but you were too about there's this is a not exact science of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you know, working out too much and kind of pushing themselves too far.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, and that's where analytics flexible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes made it true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Tyler, and I think needs to just not work out anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tyler and the other needs to go sit in his lazy boy and we'll see you on up in a day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he needs a bubble for his own protection.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's plenty to be excited about this offseason, which is so weird when we're gonna end the season in last place.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was listening to on the way, I was somewhere I had to kind of come back to my office and on the drive, I was listening to the baseball America, podcast, future projections, podcasts, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is really good, really smart, Ben and Carlos are really good and know their baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're talking about the Orils and kind of the future of the Orils.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they both agreed that this kind of a blip year and they'll be back next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they were pointing out starting pitching.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as one does, and they said, there's a gestion was because of the fridge of market for starting pitching is so bad this year, or the top.
[SPEAKER_00]: The entire fridge of market is pretty weak this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so then you look at trades.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they suggested looking at someone like McKinsey Goor for the nationals who could be the top rotation arm.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got two more years left with the nationals.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it doesn't really fit their timeline, because the nationals are still two years away.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what can you give the Nats that will fit their timeline?
[SPEAKER_01]: They say they suggested Samo Bassayo from a Kinzy Gore straight out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I don't like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And their argument was, it's easier to find a middle order bat than it is to find a top rotation arm.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is true, but we're talking two years, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't you say two years are control?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not much.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they've taken eight out.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've taken six more years of a silo, but he's signed the extension.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's like 10 more years of a silo.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think that the contract, I think it's eight years, huh?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's eight more years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, eight years, eight years, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but the contract changes things, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he's so affordable for next year years, he almost becomes someone you can't move just because it's contract is so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, because forget replacing his bat, replacing the bat at that price tag is kind of impossible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially as everyone's prices increase every year no and that's the problem is that means you could trade Adly but Adly's not gonna fit into that two-year window Or further than two-year window for than for the Nats right so then like and then you're looking at it a mayo and a beavers Right even get a little bit too well, but I think mayo would fit in there mayo in a couple prospects
[SPEAKER_00]: maybe if they believe in Mayo and then you got a guy like Gibson down in Norfolk who's pitching out standing so you could move him.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think he might be ready next year too.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's at least ready to get a chance and a look up at the big league.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that might be too early for the dance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I also wanted to if like maybe if they're relying a little bit too much on historical data with the audience for never having starting pitching.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because Josh, I'm
[SPEAKER_01]: Tom Brad off radish as a one two.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a one two that can go up against anyone to in baseball I agree and if you throw Grayson Rodriguez in there There was a projection this week from the MLB network Where they showed like the next 15 pictures to win Siank and they had Grayson Rodriguez as the Siank winner in like 20 30 And I'm like that would be nice that'd be impressive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just want them to get to 10 games
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, no, I would put Trevor Rogers and, and Cobb Rogers have a much better chance as if I knew I was going to win to say it in the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Trevor Rogers is going to get a lot of silent talk going in the next season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, he played.
[SPEAKER_00]: He deserves it now.
[SPEAKER_01]: What have gotten talked about it now?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he should be in the conversation now, but it's, yeah, he won't be because he's with the Orioles and he's, if he played the same number of games, but he did it for the New York Yankees, he would be in the conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so I look at us as having a really strong, and they didn't mention this in the conversation at all, a really excellent in Rogers and Bradish one and two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I get why people would forget about Bradish because he was hurt all year.
[SPEAKER_01]: And people don't associate with Rogers as being a number one writer.
[SPEAKER_01]: But people need to wake up and recognize he had.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so if that's the one to punch, now I've said, and that takes the pressure off, I don't feel like we need a top rotation arm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we need a number three or number four.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Tyler Wells, we've seen him in three games now, and he's got a 291.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a great number three.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're really great.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can move him to four, and then you get some more options, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then you're still, you're leaving off at pretty much everyone that pitched for the Orioles this season.
[SPEAKER_00]: So two out number four and five.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like our rotation, we have options.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know, but I just want next year, Kate Poe, bitch, and Brandon Young,
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the kind of the two kind of friends guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I want them being like our seven and eight or eight and nine starters next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just because of injury and perform with them stuff, you don't want to go in the season with talking about poe vitch and young fighting for the fist spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be there with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you, you, you can lay out a rotation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I feel the same way about the encraner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel like he's a five six.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's that fifth four lines.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't, I'm so tired of signing the, the middle of the road rotation guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not what we've been signed, Josh.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Morton.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Miles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, these are middle of the round guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I need their fifth guys at the end of the career.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Guys who are saying third and in, you know, 10 years ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're saying, sign a guy that would have been our ace this past season, but for the British and Rogers and everyone can better than well.
[SPEAKER_01]: That falls right under Rogers and Braddish.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's also an opportunity where you could bring in two of these guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you could easily move Tyler Wells to the bullpen as our closer because I think closers are a big question mark going into the next season as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's certainly like our bullpen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who in the bullpen, you feel great about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, and maybe ends.
[SPEAKER_01]: Keegan Aiken, he's amazing at a good year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other guys like Strahd, like it's show and intriguing stuff, but I'd rather have guys who've done it before back there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, I see the need of signing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think Chase McDermott's going to be interested in watching his development as a bullpen piece now.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, I still think that you still need two or three
[SPEAKER_01]: legitimate pieces in that bullpen to add what you have.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, but the tell the wells, I was skeptical of bringing him back as a starter this season, like why not just transition to reliever.
[SPEAKER_01]: But now he's pitched a while as a starter.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like you're not an athlete.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, I think that's what they did.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they said, let's see if he can start still.
[SPEAKER_00]: And because they've always told you if he's a bullpin arm, is he a rotation arm?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's done both for work.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's done both.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he does, he looks great in the rotation.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you need him there and you can, it's easier to fill holes in the bullpin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it goes back to we've got parts.
[SPEAKER_00]: This season went bad that doesn't mean blow it all up.
[SPEAKER_00]: and people that say the rebuild didn't work because of the season are just wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, it's just a bad season.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mean a bad rebuild, I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's your number one target for the Oriolesist off season?
[SPEAKER_01]: I said position-wise, I think my number of target would be a veteran outfield good-hitting bat, and then my second priority would be like the guy out of Chicago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know he's had an up and down season, but I think that while that was injury related.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, Cot Tucker would be or Schworber Schworber's had an up and down as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, Schworber out.
[SPEAKER_00]: He would be a perfect fit for that, too, right, veteran and an older guy who could roll into that DH slot as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's a great clubhouse guy, but both of those guys, I mean, the good thing about Schworber,
[SPEAKER_01]: There's not you about Tucker's swore, but you can just give a one or two your deal to because the way is that age wise.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just let me know how to money as opposed to Tucker's going to be a long term deal probably.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, those are the two guys I had marked down to keep an eye out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'd like to see, here's my wish for the Orioles.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know it'll probably be next episode where we do our real season closer, give some awards or whatever we normally do for the end of season.
[SPEAKER_00]: But really the soft season, the Orioles need to make moves fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm tired of this wait until the end of January.
[SPEAKER_00]: And get leftovers.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be the top of everybody's list right right which means you got a jump on him Yeah, so And the world has had proven or has have they've not shown any appetite for being Kind of leading the way in those yeah, have we Contrast I don't think we've talked on here about Michaelis's promotion This was weird news like last week.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure if we'll talk on here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure if I just talk about that
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, it was like, they quietly did it last off season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I promotion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a completely promoted him from GM to president of baseball operations.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that means we've been going almost a year with no GM.
[SPEAKER_00]: Am I right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that correct?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I just assumed it's kind of just a title change, so it can give him a pay raise or something, but still the same responsibilities.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't think we're hiring a GM this off season?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you think it's just a title change?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I guess I'm just, I just Googled it, and I guess, yeah, they are the according to the athletic.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are looking to hire a G-A-G-M.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because we haven't had one for a year.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if we're making personal decisions, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been, it's, that's what I don't understand is, and why you do a promotion quietly like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and they said they did it early, like, you knew this season was going to be a mess, so let's make it a secret.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand the move at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, like he's now executive vice president.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, what's the, what's his title now?
[SPEAKER_01]: President of baseball operations?
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it's president of baseball operations.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, president of baseball operations.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the difference between a GM and a president of baseball operations?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think for many years, yeah, he's the executive vice president and general manager currently currently it says he has very well currently has got both titles, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, I don't understand what that means and and what the difference is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it, I guess, is it more oversight than just your team structure?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I guess general manager implies just four of those baseball personnel decisions, baseball operations.
[SPEAKER_00]: So according to answer about a manager?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, according to the chat, GPT, a GM is in charge of baseball operations.
[SPEAKER_01]: So rock structure, overstealing, gotten a developer and he just need me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and managing budgets, but the executive vice president,
[SPEAKER_00]: is more on the business side and the day-to-day moves responsible for the long-term vision, organization, and culture, and strategic direction of the baseball operations.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it gives him no authority to make a rise, and raise our ticket prices for that have.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so either.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's, it was just a weird move where it's like, wait, this is why we haven't made any moves.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's the EVP, the guy that handles long-term contract extensions versus the GM that handles signing people.
[SPEAKER_00]: And does that mean we need a GM and a manager at this offseason?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's all, like how long is my galious in a contract for?
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know, that's the secret, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's always been a trotter mystery in terms of his contract, is we don't know how much money is making, we don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And usually these things, I don't know, I feel like these things are more well known.
[SPEAKER_01]: But with my glides, it's not.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is just adds to, maybe it's, I don't know, it's his decision, the order's decision, but it's kind of always been secretive with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so let's talk about other order changes this offseason, Coach Tony.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tony Manselo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, Manselino.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lots of end of the season talk about how the players love him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this set me up to be disappointed that he's the return guy that we're not making any moves?
[SPEAKER_01]: The world has played better under him this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't their manager hide this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did.
[SPEAKER_00]: It also felt like with him, they were like the analytics handcuffs came off.
[SPEAKER_00]: where there was no left-right matchups, just how I was playing every day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there was a change in how they did business.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was a little bit of a change you could tell from line-up construction.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to tell with bullpen usage because just the bullpen's so bad, there's really no good options to draw upon.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like the platoon closer was more because we don't have any problems.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, if we add better pieces, it would probably look different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, his press conferences are a little bit hard to listen to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those sometimes are entertaining because some stuff he says, um, I, I think like we're talking about the veteran bat, there's a side of me that will like to bring in a veteran manager, especially working with a young team just coming off a down year, like it sometimes has been through the fire a little bit, someone who players what kind of a
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I kind of like seeing going in different directions.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would, too, I, I, I also think you've lost the fan base.
[SPEAKER_00]: The attendance was down half a million.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't hire manager for the fans.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not bringing back Earl Weaver.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think you could bring back Book Showwater, who knows how to speak to young guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, but, but, but, but it's not my pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: My pick is your pick, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I've been your pick for years now.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you just want to mark the manager's team for the first time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like Buckburton.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Buckburton.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's not my pick anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have changed my mind this office this past couple weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ryan Flattery.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Skip Schumacher.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but this guy is familiar with Ryan Flatterty.
[SPEAKER_00]: This guy currently has the role of special advisor to the GM.
[SPEAKER_00]: for the Orals for the Orals.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know who our special advisor to the GM is?
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, greedy Anderson.
[SPEAKER_00]: There has been a guest instructor at Sprintrain Inn.
[SPEAKER_00]: Adam Jones Adam Jones now look laugh laughing me all you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will laugh as most ridiculous thing I've ever heard my life I know I know it is, but hear me out for a moment Josh you're my office.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't yell at you for being stupid.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not being stupid.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not being stupid.
[SPEAKER_00]: What does this team need?
[SPEAKER_01]: Not Adam Jones.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you know listen to me?
[SPEAKER_00]: What does this team need?
[SPEAKER_00]: I hear says it's serious argument for Adam Jones Managers and baseball do less than ever they don't there's no
[SPEAKER_00]: Managing of your team structure because you have pitching coaches that tell you what pitchers are ready to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have hidden coaches that tell you where people are going.
[SPEAKER_00]: All the manager does, you can create a culture.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's great to culture and keep and the liaison between everyone and relate to people.
[SPEAKER_00]: When Adam Jones went into the Oriental fame about a month ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: He bucked show water came to celebrate with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he talked about his relationship with bucked show water and how he would be able to go to bucked show water and talk about things and give ideas and listen and buck would consider it or not consider it, but listen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Adam Jones could be that type of guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Adam Jones is the type of guy who could create a culture in the clubhouse, bring back the pies, get these young kids excited, and it's someone that all these kids respect already.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I know he's got no manager experience whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you need any experiences a manager of majorly baseball anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think experiences overrated, you are a culture guy, you need to come in here and shift the clubhouse, get people excited, and then rely on your hidden coaches, your pitching coaches, your bench coaches, to give you the best advice.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm talking about for Adam Jones.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want all the listeners to just acknowledge and appreciate,
[SPEAKER_01]: that I let Josh explain one of the dumbest positions.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've ever heard him take on his, this pile.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I gave him a little bit of a lot of broad.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I brought it, it's because I knew you would think it was dumb.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because my whole preface and why I went mentally no out of here is because I want someone who's been there, but I think experience does matter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially for a young team who's just coming off a losing season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I want a guy who's done it before.
[SPEAKER_01]: And from a manager perspective from a day, I want a guy who's like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But see, I don't want that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want a guy who's done it before as a player.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to like, don't Matt and Lee go into the marlins.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want a well, there's respectful to your boy Buck Britain former player, just like Adam Jones.
[SPEAKER_00]: but putting the work in the minors and kind of works the way up the ranks don't you need to expect for the him no I think it's no no pay him whatever pay him he can be the revenge coach and and still be a huge impact on this team okay no I've decided that what this team needs is excitement and a culture shift and the oil way and I think that means looking back a little bit and as much as I'd love to bring
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Michael Ice's ego is too big to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe Baksha Walker's too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Baksha maybe, but Buck was the good thing you were at too.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is, and he's a little anti-analytics.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't done to Kett, but it heads.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I know that Buck was interested in managing the white socks less.
[SPEAKER_00]: that was a rumor last of season.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's probably still in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: He got a huge, both Adam and Buck at huge stand innovations for those banana games.
[SPEAKER_00]: The city loves these guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need a culture shift.
[SPEAKER_00]: Either one of those guys would make a huge impact on these young players.
[SPEAKER_00]: So call me stupid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I'm with you Josh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's have Adam Jones is the manager.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're bringing Nick Mark Kakekis as the Bencote bench coach.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, Nick Mark has his not the coach.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did your hearty at third?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, because no, because here's why you're an idiot, because Adam Jones is a different type of personality.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nick Mark Kakekis is way too quiet to be a manager.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nick Mark and JJ Hardy is more that Ryan Flirty role.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I hear great things about Ryan Flirty as a coach.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am not comfortable.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see it as my manager.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to go,
[SPEAKER_00]: Even older, if you want to bring in an old school guy, bring in Billy Ripkin to teach fundamentals to this team.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where Billy is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Billy is, I am going to see another.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is his brother busy?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's busy making videos about Bible heads and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, if you want to go out of the box that no one's talking about option, I know there's all these experience managers out there and everyone's going to say, Oh, well, this is who the Orioles should go with.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying screw that give me Adam Jones.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when this is also me, the guy who says Adam Jones is an overrated baseball player in Baltimore.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the bottom is the airport to go back to San Diego.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do remember that he did walk that back row.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he has realized where he made his money.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he has been making a lot more trips back to Baltimore lately.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He made one of the coolest moves that makes you love and hate a guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: is the the refusal of the trade, which I would have to fill it up here, which showed a, I love Baltimore so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to leave even to go on a playoff containing teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: To be fair, I would have to drive to fill it up here and that fly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you didn't get to go to BWI.
[SPEAKER_01]: True, true, true.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I made you love them.
[SPEAKER_01]: At the same time, we're like, dude, you're costing me some prospects.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, jerk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Love made.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I also like it's kind of annoying.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's my out of the box.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's put that out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it went something crazy happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: You heard it here first.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, George with his board predictions, the, I am open minded for the new manager.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not as open minded as you are, Josh.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm open minded for the direction we go with new manager.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, hey, last three games of the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know we have some exciting
[SPEAKER_00]: pennant race as we're talking pre-show you talking about Boston and yeah the Detroit and how this all plays out yeah Cleve Boston plays Detroit this weekend Detroit and Cleveland are going back and forth for first place we've got New York and Toronto tied for first place we get three games in New York so we get to make a little bit of an impact if we want but you're looking in the other direction yeah I'm of the opinion Josh I'm not worried about the Yankees division, wild card
[SPEAKER_01]: whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just care about my squad.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can't manage other squad.
[SPEAKER_01]: We get to manage ourselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if the Orals were smart, and I'm looking at this layout against the Yankees, and we're throwing a rodgers and then two days later, Braddish.
[SPEAKER_01]: That feels like a couple wins to me, and I wish, and we might keep the Yankees from the division,
[SPEAKER_01]: But ultimately, I think it's the bad thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: We should shut down Rogers, shut down Braddish, and we should do our best to lose these last three games of the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason I'm saying that, Josh, if you go to tankethon.com forward slash MLB, you'll see the MLB-26 draft lottery simulator.
[SPEAKER_01]: So how it works is right now?
[SPEAKER_01]: We are for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is like the number of balls you get in the lottery or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I don't know how these odds work.
[SPEAKER_01]: But essentially, every time you move up the rankings as in the worst record and baseball, you increase your chances of getting the first wrong pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right now we're at six in the lottery, which gives us a 4.5% chance for the first pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the teams in fifth and the teams in fourth, the athletics and braves have the same exact record as us.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're all 75, and 84.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the difference between fourth place and sixth place is, sixth is, let's see, is about five percentage points.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we would have a 5% greater chance of getting the first pick if we can jump these two teams who were tied with right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're saying it's time to tank.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because the other interesting thing about the lottery this year, or this is the past few years, there's all these rules now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the following teams are not eligible for a lottery pick,
[SPEAKER_01]: the angels.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there, that's the 10th, 11th, 12th pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why are they not eligible?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's terrible because you can't, if you, if you are a, if you receive funds from other teams, you can't draft in the lottery more than two years in a row.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like an anti-tank in types thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can't be a lottery pick more than two years in a row.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then if you if you pay in total, wherever you can't be in their one.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it hurts, big market teams even more,
[SPEAKER_01]: small market teams going draft two years in a row in the lottery since Colorado and the angels draft two years in row and since the national draft of last year, they're all excluded from the lottery this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which means the white socks are in first, we're not catching the white socks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, you're looking at a record, 75 and 84, based on where we're early in the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a terrible record, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: But no, no, it's not where we were projected.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to have some depression fun, the press and fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go on over and look out the Orioles record since June 1st.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you looked at this?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, but I know, but I know where you going with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's that we were a good team.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's to the braves, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: They braves one like nine games in a row before yesterday.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they were like solidly in like the number three spot and now they're dropped to five.
[SPEAKER_00]: We could have 54 and 48 since June 1st.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sure that's more argument for us that this team is.
[SPEAKER_00]: That this team's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: This team's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, but if you look at it, you know, we're tied with a lamp down athletics.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not gonna catch minutes, so it's really these four or five six spots.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if we can lose against the Yankees, we could potentially go from having a 4% chance to get the number one pick in the draft to a 9% chance, to get the number one pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know that even if we don't get the number one pick, it moves up our chances to be number two and number three and number four.
[SPEAKER_00]: What does, I just can't play baseball that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well let me I can't go into any game and try to lose.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well I'm me and Mike Elias are looking for the long-term health judge.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not focused on one game.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're looking for the long-term health of the franchise.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me, there's a, if you want, if you want to lose, it's really the lottery.
[SPEAKER_00]: You would not let Trevor Rogers pitch tonight then.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I want to shut him down.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like to go in a pitch in Saturday.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't, that doesn't, that doesn't
[SPEAKER_00]: And Brad is pitching on Sunday.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm okay with because I still want to see more of him this season as he's bouncing back.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I would have rested Rogers if you wanted to, uh, to not win.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the lottery is weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every team who doesn't make the playoffs has a chance in the lottery to get the first run.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll never want to roll pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, at least at least they do cut it off as you have to not make the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm telling you, every time you can jump, it's like, we have to jump.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's what boys and girls forget about, Josh's, you know, guardians and Boston.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's what you need to watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: A land to place the pirates.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who the athletics play, but we need the land to brave's to win.
[SPEAKER_01]: We need the athletics to win.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we need to lose so we can jump up to number four spot and get about almost 10% out to get that number one pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, on this tankathon website, they do have a sim lottery.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you played with that button?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I hit it like 100 times and the order's never got number one.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, and you never get number one as let's see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have Pittsburgh, Minnesota, Oakland, Minnesota, Atlanta, Minnesota.
[SPEAKER_00]: See, we need to be in that Atlanta spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: White socks, athletics, white socks, Pittsburgh, white socks, Minnesota, white socks,
[SPEAKER_00]: Minnesota, white socks, pitchburg, Minnesota, Baltimore, how many times did I have to press that button?
[SPEAKER_00]: 20 times, 25 times to get Baltimore there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, but if we keep losing Josh, then you only have to hit it about 20 times.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, rest is show up at number one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Think of how many times I said pitchburg and Minnesota.
[SPEAKER_00]: And those are just, and the athletics, like those are just a few games ahead of us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the athletics are in that forest, but that's a definitely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, athletics are tied with us.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can't gain Pittsburgh, Minnesota, Chicago.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can't gain one tour, three in the lottery.
[SPEAKER_01]: So are you with me?
[SPEAKER_01]: Were we're rooting for the Yankees on the division now?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm not with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, because it's way too much fun to take New York down and note them not when the division.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little bit torn.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want you to think somebody else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really good for those.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't root for the English.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm waiting for a sweep in New York.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm rooting for Detroit to sweep Boston.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that I believe will not come out of the wild card.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: And overall when we get in the, when we get in the playoffs, I, my money, my eyeballs are on Milwaukee.
[SPEAKER_00]: Milwaukee is a team that excites
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because Milwaukee is someone that feels like a team that the world's gonna emulate, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It does.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it feels like a team that's like, they're not there all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're a fun storyline.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, how about Josh the, I mean, I hope you're rooting for the Mariners, what the Mariners have made the playoffs, I think like twice in the last 20 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, not twice had the Mariners are up there and Cleveland and Detroit, and either one of those, I can't be mad at those teams.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what about the Padres?
[SPEAKER_01]: They have several memories on there.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even without the front morals?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like Machado.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really don't like Mani Machado.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like Machado.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't like Mani Machado.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like Machado.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like Machado.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not enough to sway my dislike of Machado.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I cannot root for the Padres.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have they not talked much about the disappointment season of the Dodgers?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that everyone said they're going to win 120 games.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they won 90.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and that they're probably going to get knocked out of the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it'd be interesting to see.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think if you look at it, it may be touching to be taken to tell you.
[SPEAKER_01]: In terms of the amount of injuries for a team this year, the world's worth of the top of the list.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the Dodgers blew everybody away.
[SPEAKER_01]: In terms of the numbers of injuries this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think, especially with the start of rotation was decimated.
[SPEAKER_01]: So,
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I think that's kind of a big part of their story is the injury stuff, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, people thought they were kind of... The Houston Astros had the highest estimated war loss to injury at 17.6.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the Baltimore Orioles were number two at 17.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, all right, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that doesn't look good for the Orioles, that I guess it's a depth issue, or the Astros lose 17.6, and they're still in the hunt.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we lose 17, but about, but I wonder, that's war, I don't know, I never thought of looking at it based on war, but that's an interesting stat, and that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, yeah, it also matters the position and then your characters are number third at 15.2.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, followed by the red socks at 14.4.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so not really an excuse for the Orioles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: When three of those teams are playoff contending teams exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they're also all great.
[SPEAKER_01]: big big payroll teams who kind of can kind of afford to have that and I also don't know how to let's wiggle room injuries.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and how much of that also includes what we lost preseason as far as Braddish Wells.
[SPEAKER_00]: Grayson Rodriguez like, do they count Grayson Rodriguez when he never started the game this season?
[SPEAKER_00]: Never made it up, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I have, but, but, but he's the fact of that, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's pitched like two games.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get re-induced.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how that stuff actually is in, but, yeah, all right, I'll see.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're rooting for Tank in this weekend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I'm, that's what I'm, I'm, I won't be, I won't be game with a day, but I'm re-watching all these bad teams to see if the Oros can jump out.
[SPEAKER_01]: to number four is my goal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can we get the fourth spot in the lottery?
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll find out next week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We will find out next week.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anything else before before the baseball season's over?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get in here when the season ends and do some
[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking, we didn't really get an MVO.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about, uh, no MVO.
[SPEAKER_00]: Found the C Trevor Rogers get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish I put a dollar bet on Trevor Rogers to win MVO back in March.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a V.O.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that a edible thing?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you can, but come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there anyone who penciled in Trevor Rogers for MVO?
[SPEAKER_00]: at any point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go back, Josh.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you go back and listen to our bullet predictions, I actually said Trevor Rogers for MBO.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you did not.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you did, I would have had that prepared for you today.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you said Jackson Holiday would be my guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there were probably been about, I don't know, 20 names.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have said, maybe 30 before I got one for others.
[SPEAKER_01]: 26 names.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd go through the entire rotation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, even guys in the miners, like even I can't even get this for beside you to have the MBO before Trevor Rogers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that has definitely been whatever come back, surprise, MBO of the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think hopefully it turns into something,
[SPEAKER_01]: It almost, I don't want to say that it's too bad this thing happened, I mean, he would be the national story if his numbers, his numbers, broke all of Jim Palmer's record for any playoff game.
[SPEAKER_00]: He a better season than Jim Palmer ever had with the Orioles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I just hope he can like pick this up when it matters and continue where he left off next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, when you add a legit ace,
[SPEAKER_01]: to to this team for a full year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's pretty special.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's another reason, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like when did he come back, Josh?
[SPEAKER_01]: He came back in June and you're saying, the record may, May 24th, I believe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's why you look at this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what excites me for next year is if the season started June 1st.
[SPEAKER_01]: When we got it, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's looks so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the problem is, I'm telling you, that's just a elite one-to-punt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and the people don't casual fans or people that don't pay attention to the Orioles.
[SPEAKER_00]: We sound crazy, but that team is good next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, even telling people, you know, we're going to be all right, because Trevor Rodgers and Cobrasch number one and two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Before we get out of here, I should plug.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever seen the movie The Natural?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the classic Facebook I know the movie 1984 and I I've seen highlights of the movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, have have have I ever actually watched I finish I don't I'm glad that you've never watched it because I never had either.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but I'm off the Michael mayor show Robin.
[SPEAKER_00]: I spun off a movie podcast called picks Nick sticks picks.
[SPEAKER_00]: H-I-X, all you had to do is type that into your podcast app and there's nothing else that's to compete with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it'll come up right away.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next pick, where Rob loves old movies.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he brings his favorite movies to me that I've never seen and I watch it for the first time.
[SPEAKER_00]: He watches it for the hundredth time and we discuss it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this week's episode that came out yesterday, we discussed and watched the natural, which I've never seen before.
[SPEAKER_01]: which is an honor for, you know, the past.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was, it was an honor of Robert Redford Passen and the, and you're an out that I've never seen this movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: When as a baseball fan, we all know the app bat, what are the lights, yeah, the lights, sparks come back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, but I was so glad I finally watched it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So people should check out that episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Matt, and this movie is crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, as far as baseball movies go, I know lots of people say it's a favorite movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are things in this movie where I'm like taking notes while I'm watching this movie, and I'm like, what?
[SPEAKER_00]: This just happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: Matt, at one point, this guy comes up and he's on the bench, and the star player is the right fielder.
[SPEAKER_00]: name Bunk Bailey and Roy Hobbes, which is the Robert Refford character, also plays right field.
[SPEAKER_00]: So how do you think they make room so that he can take right field?
[SPEAKER_00]: the guy yeah like make room like you know the start they can't bench him because he's their star player even though he's moving to left field or something how about he's chasing a fly ball and he runs into the wall so hard that he bust through the plywood wall and dies.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling you, this movie is crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how to get this spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then how do they honor him?
[SPEAKER_00]: The next day, as Roy Hobbes gets his first start out in right field, they honor Bump Bailey, their former star player.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the next day, a plane flying over the field and sprinkling his ashes on the field.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's wild.
[SPEAKER_00]: On the stadium.
[SPEAKER_00]: This movie is crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's worth watching.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take a listen and listen to Hicks next six picks.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, good plug, good plug.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I have nothing to plug.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get out of here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Rather than standing with it, Lewis and Reed, they've got children.
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