WEBVTT 00:00.271 --> 00:04.396 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the jockel underground podcast number 183 sitting here with echo trials. 00:04.416 --> 00:12.384 [SPEAKER_00]: We've got some questions from you troopers and we are going to provide some courses of actions and recommendations on how you can handle these scenarios. 00:12.985 --> 00:13.565 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get into it. 00:14.982 --> 00:24.009 [SPEAKER_01]: Before that, this idea of, and this is something to keep in mind, sounds obvious, but I think a lot of times we forget it, where if you have a course of action, you can get to a better place. 00:24.370 --> 00:25.530 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 00:25.611 --> 00:28.613 [SPEAKER_01]: Just knowing that, you already got the already better off. 00:28.793 --> 00:29.093 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 00:29.514 --> 00:31.355 [SPEAKER_00]: And just to expand on that point a little bit. 00:33.005 --> 00:49.472 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the, I would say, very nice blessings that I've had in my life is that I always got a decent amount of gratification knowing that I was just making steps towards being where I wanted to be. 00:50.013 --> 00:58.977 [SPEAKER_00]: So, for instance, when I lived in a 934 square foot house with my wife and three children, but I knew that I 01:00.137 --> 01:04.899 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to own that house one day and I would be able to build a little bit of an addition on it. 01:05.840 --> 01:06.640 [SPEAKER_00]: I was okay with that. 01:07.341 --> 01:27.150 [SPEAKER_00]: You know like so it was I was suffering currently but I knew that I was going in the right direction and so that seemed to make things very good for me because I never minded I was very good at suffering tactical pressure because I knew my strategic goal would be achieved. 01:27.911 --> 01:41.505 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why oftentimes when we answer questions here, I'll say, oh, if that's what's happening, you need to start to put together a long-term strategy and maybe I need to make this more clear when I answer these questions. 01:42.245 --> 01:46.530 [SPEAKER_00]: You need to plot out the course to escape the scenario that you're in. 01:47.491 --> 01:48.292 [SPEAKER_00]: And for me, 01:49.733 --> 01:53.236 [SPEAKER_00]: If I'm in prison, it's like Shawshank or Dimension, right? 01:53.756 --> 01:54.416 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm in prison. 01:54.837 --> 01:58.699 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll get gratification every day that I've whittled away just a little bit of that wall. 01:59.420 --> 02:01.942 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and just that's, and I'm okay with that. 02:02.022 --> 02:04.063 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I know at the end of this, I'm going to get out of here. 02:04.543 --> 02:16.212 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, if you ask a question of what you want is an immediate answer that now your problem that took you three years, five years, eight years to get into, 02:18.435 --> 02:28.064 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be solved overnight, and you've got to take some level of gratification over the fact that, okay, at least now I'm moving in the right direction, so yes, courses of action. 02:28.084 --> 02:28.725 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah. 02:29.519 --> 02:41.326 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that the end of this idea of past president in the future, it's weird how we overindex so much on the past and the present and have some for a lot of people in it and not on the future. 02:41.826 --> 02:55.174 [SPEAKER_01]: So like you could probably remember freaking elementary school junior high high school if you want to call a time remember those years and blah, blah, blah, I remember this happy you remember so much about it and you, you know, you can think about it you whatever and then we 02:56.254 --> 02:58.556 [SPEAKER_01]: Think about how we're feeling right now and on. 02:58.616 --> 03:08.081 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm miserable about this or I hate this that this is going this and then but we don't sometimes we don't Expand that same energy for the future for steps into the future. 03:08.321 --> 03:12.304 [SPEAKER_01]: Right like if you were to consent you know how they say into the old school What's your five-year plan? 03:12.324 --> 03:18.928 [SPEAKER_01]: What's your 10-year plan right like long-term and short-term like goals or whatever Brown I think 03:21.167 --> 03:28.894 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I'm lit thing about myself, but I never really indexed on those a lot of the time, you know, and then the moment where I realized how important that was, it's like 03:29.169 --> 03:35.671 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, that's where I always say I got very lucky during the military because when you join the military It's like, oh, you already have a 20-year plan. 03:35.951 --> 03:36.671 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 03:36.772 --> 03:41.173 [SPEAKER_00]: Or a 25 or a 30-year plan, but for me I was like, oh, well, now I'm doing, know what I'm doing for at least the next 20 years. 03:42.073 --> 03:44.654 [SPEAKER_00]: And for me it was like, I'm probably going to be in this gig for 30 years. 03:44.914 --> 03:47.335 [SPEAKER_00]: So here, you know, follow this path. 03:47.995 --> 03:52.597 [SPEAKER_00]: And, and then you pick up little things which are kind of the normalized situation, which is, oh, 03:53.597 --> 03:56.138 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're gonna live in here in San Diego. 03:56.158 --> 03:56.918 [SPEAKER_00]: You need to get a house here. 03:56.938 --> 03:58.919 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's just a normal, cool, good house. 03:59.179 --> 04:01.880 [SPEAKER_00]: And then for some reason, I'd be like, oh, maybe I could get two of them or three of them. 04:01.920 --> 04:08.242 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean to make these little things, you kind of grasp on, and for me, it wasn't so much like, hey, 04:09.783 --> 04:11.964 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's my five year 10 year plan. 04:12.164 --> 04:13.965 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, hey, this makes sense to do. 04:13.985 --> 04:25.950 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think about how it played out in the future, but I knew that right now, if I make these moves, these investments in health, in, you know, 04:26.870 --> 04:30.034 [SPEAKER_00]: real estate in, you know, relationships. 04:30.134 --> 04:32.938 [SPEAKER_00]: I knew that if I did that now, I knew it paid off in the future. 04:33.439 --> 04:43.031 [SPEAKER_00]: So I had, I didn't have like, hey, I'm gonna write this down, but I knew that these investments these long, that the moves that I'm making are long term good moves. 04:44.012 --> 04:45.073 [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of always had that. 04:45.874 --> 04:54.378 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that fundamentally, especially if that drives you like makes you take these actual because there's a difference between, oh yeah, I know that, but I don't do it, you know. 04:54.578 --> 05:07.904 [SPEAKER_00]: I did have a commanding officer literally tell me, you should buy a house and then I had a friend when I came to San Diego, back to San Diego from Virginia Beach and I was looking for a rental property and I saw him. 05:08.344 --> 05:09.705 [SPEAKER_00]: And he goes, why are you renting by something? 05:09.785 --> 05:12.205 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, well, I don't know, you know, he's like, you'll buy something. 05:12.425 --> 05:18.888 [SPEAKER_00]: And then those two guys combined, one guy was telling me buy a house wherever you get stationed by a house immediately. 05:19.468 --> 05:22.169 [SPEAKER_00]: And then my buddy that said, why are you renting a house by a house? 05:22.549 --> 05:24.030 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, yeah, long term. 05:24.070 --> 05:24.970 [SPEAKER_00]: That makes more sense, cool. 05:25.330 --> 05:29.771 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, man, just thinking about the future. 05:29.912 --> 05:32.893 [SPEAKER_01]: Just thinking about it, you know, just consider these things. 05:32.913 --> 05:33.573 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's coming. 05:35.090 --> 05:39.016 [SPEAKER_01]: Where will you be and what will you have done up until that point? 05:39.216 --> 05:40.137 [SPEAKER_00]: The future is coming. 05:41.539 --> 05:42.180 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, first question. 05:42.220 --> 05:42.561 [SPEAKER_01]: Good morning. 05:42.781 --> 05:46.226 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been training from my first marathon October since June. 05:46.887 --> 05:51.153 [SPEAKER_01]: I've done several halves half marathon before and lots of distances below that. 05:51.553 --> 05:57.317 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd love running for many years on my life and I'm happy I found it and helped me tremendously in my weight-clustering. 05:57.637 --> 05:59.859 [SPEAKER_01]: However, I despise marathon training. 06:00.179 --> 06:03.402 [SPEAKER_01]: I truly do not think running this type of distance is for me. 06:04.122 --> 06:14.269 [SPEAKER_01]: I realized this back in July, but I thought I just needed to push through and it was because of fatigue, but now it's impacting me more and more. 06:14.630 --> 06:17.432 [SPEAKER_01]: I stopped lifting weights because I no longer have time or energy. 06:21.735 --> 06:24.456 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gaining not muscle but I'm gaining weight. 06:24.997 --> 06:30.160 [SPEAKER_01]: My long runs take 3 to 4 hours and then I can't do anything for the rest of the day because I'm so tired. 06:30.520 --> 06:33.382 [SPEAKER_01]: My question is, is it even worth doing this marathon? 06:34.363 --> 06:43.748 [SPEAKER_01]: The only reason I haven't quit is that my cousin runs marathon and is doing the race with me and I don't want to disappoint him that I don't love the marathon like he does. 06:44.729 --> 06:45.890 [SPEAKER_01]: Any advice would be great thanks. 06:47.929 --> 06:56.834 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, have a certain point specializing in something makes you good at that one thing and not good at a lot of other things and that's true. 06:56.874 --> 06:59.636 [SPEAKER_00]: Some people make that choice, you know, that's called professional athletes, right? 06:59.896 --> 07:01.617 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and that's fine. 07:01.957 --> 07:07.380 [SPEAKER_00]: I've always leaned kind of towards, I guess the term is general physical preparedness, right? 07:10.101 --> 07:12.203 [SPEAKER_00]: GPP, which means you can run. 07:13.203 --> 07:20.769 [SPEAKER_00]: not going to win the race, but you can run the race, you can lift, you're not going to lift the most, but you can lift some in counts that next, you can move like all those things. 07:20.789 --> 07:24.031 [SPEAKER_00]: You're your good functional physical unit, right? 07:25.612 --> 07:25.833 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 07:26.193 --> 07:27.134 [SPEAKER_00]: So I hear you. 07:27.474 --> 07:29.115 [SPEAKER_00]: And clearly, I think that's where you're headed. 07:29.535 --> 07:31.037 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's good. 07:31.237 --> 07:37.261 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're headed back in that direction where, you know, maybe you'll run a little bit, but you'll, you know, start working, lifting again and all that stuff. 07:37.581 --> 07:42.105 [SPEAKER_00]: But the actual question is, you say, is it even worth doing this marathon? 07:44.606 --> 07:48.972 [SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of where I'm at. 07:48.992 --> 07:51.015 [SPEAKER_00]: And you may disagree with me on this one, echo troughs. 07:51.275 --> 07:51.555 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not 100% sure. 07:51.575 --> 07:51.735 [SPEAKER_00]: I think. 07:56.060 --> 07:59.001 [SPEAKER_00]: If you've been training since June, right? 08:00.221 --> 08:08.462 [SPEAKER_00]: And now it's whatever, September, June, July, August, September. 08:08.742 --> 08:10.563 [SPEAKER_00]: You've been training three and a half months for this thing. 08:10.583 --> 08:12.523 [SPEAKER_00]: You probably already paid for the freaking thing. 08:14.064 --> 08:15.104 [SPEAKER_00]: You've sacrificed for it. 08:16.504 --> 08:21.105 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's one of those things that many people see as like a bucket list scenario. 08:23.083 --> 08:34.406 [SPEAKER_00]: an achievement, a bucket list achievement, so I think a good compromise would be to back off the back off all the crazy running. 08:35.467 --> 08:47.230 [SPEAKER_00]: Normalize your life at some level, start lifting again, clean up your diet, and see how you feel and come up, go around the freaking, you know, go out and walk the marathon. 08:48.010 --> 08:49.271 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, go on, just get it done. 08:51.452 --> 08:52.653 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't need to set any records. 08:52.833 --> 08:54.314 [SPEAKER_00]: Just whatever record you don't want it. 08:54.334 --> 08:58.457 [SPEAKER_00]: You were trying to do a sub four, a sub three, a sub four, three and a half, a sub five. 08:58.497 --> 09:00.778 [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever your thing was, just forget about it. 09:02.019 --> 09:03.200 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't let you go get involved. 09:03.320 --> 09:04.060 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't get injured. 09:04.100 --> 09:11.324 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, if like you get 12 miles in or 18 miles in and you are going to injure yourself. 09:11.385 --> 09:11.885 [SPEAKER_00]: Not hurt. 09:12.365 --> 09:13.266 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, not like you're hurt. 09:13.286 --> 09:14.086 [SPEAKER_00]: You got some blisters. 09:17.228 --> 09:21.254 [SPEAKER_00]: And then don't complete the thing, don't be stomp, don't wreck your life. 09:22.636 --> 09:23.938 [SPEAKER_00]: But go out there and give it a shot. 09:23.958 --> 09:24.900 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't push hard. 09:26.242 --> 09:27.764 [SPEAKER_00]: You've been training, you probably get it done. 09:27.985 --> 09:31.450 [SPEAKER_00]: If you've been, if you're this deep into it, you probably be able to get it done. 09:31.900 --> 09:35.841 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you can, you know, celebrate at the end, and you never have to do another marathon. 09:36.241 --> 09:38.842 [SPEAKER_00]: That's, that, that, and you can get back to your normal activities. 09:39.342 --> 09:40.302 [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of what I'm at. 09:41.183 --> 09:52.986 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, this is a little bit, I'm assuming that you're, that your complaints about like being tired, 09:54.306 --> 09:56.990 [SPEAKER_00]: is like, yeah, you're, you're not like exhausted level. 09:57.371 --> 09:58.632 [SPEAKER_00]: And that you're gaining some weight. 09:59.213 --> 10:02.618 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, like, you're not ridiculous. 10:02.798 --> 10:06.343 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're losing some muscle, like you're not completely withering. 10:06.443 --> 10:09.568 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm, I'm taking your complaints to be moderate complaints. 10:10.489 --> 10:13.612 [SPEAKER_00]: Because if you're obviously, if you're screwing up your health and don't, don't, don't, stop. 10:14.072 --> 10:15.253 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're screwing up your health, stop doing it. 10:15.834 --> 10:26.683 [SPEAKER_00]: But if your body is, you know, not optimum for what you want, but you're still kind of, you still can keep going, then I'd kind of look at doing it. 10:26.783 --> 10:27.043 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 10:27.063 --> 10:27.864 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think I'm wrong? 10:28.164 --> 10:29.365 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're correct. 10:29.646 --> 10:29.886 [SPEAKER_00]: Really. 10:30.126 --> 10:33.209 [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of thought you might think that I was wrong on this one. 10:33.409 --> 10:34.690 [SPEAKER_01]: What would you think that I would think? 10:35.063 --> 10:50.357 [SPEAKER_00]: like oh dude don't do it like you get you know you're losing weight you're gaining fat you losing muscle gain in fat you're tired your energies low like you know those are all red flags in the in the echoed Charles book of rest in recovery that is true but those are all separate issues though so 10:51.478 --> 11:06.105 [SPEAKER_01]: Right in the marathon, okay, first off, yeah, you're you're not wrong because I would never be in a position to run the marathon I don't see that as any type of bucket list scenario, which you know That's that's but that's a preference thing, you know, so let's say it was something and I was like Fuck no hell yeah, I'm down for this. 11:06.145 --> 11:08.066 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to have done it and you know bucket list scenario 11:09.527 --> 11:10.928 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you. 11:11.208 --> 11:15.931 [SPEAKER_01]: I think if the if training like this is a problem then solve that problem. 11:16.072 --> 11:17.933 [SPEAKER_01]: If you gaining weight because you shouldn't be gaining weight. 11:18.313 --> 11:19.734 [SPEAKER_01]: Not you should not be gaining fat. 11:20.735 --> 11:21.075 [SPEAKER_01]: From there. 11:21.095 --> 11:22.676 [SPEAKER_01]: So then solve that problem. 11:22.716 --> 11:25.398 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's a diet problem that you just need to solve. 11:25.418 --> 11:25.978 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not that hard. 11:25.998 --> 11:27.199 [SPEAKER_01]: You can actually just look it up. 11:27.840 --> 11:29.060 [SPEAKER_01]: Be like, hey, I weigh this much. 11:29.961 --> 11:56.475 [SPEAKER_01]: freaking I run this much I'm gaining fat what up what should I be eating some guidelines not hard so if you just treat each of these little issues as individual issues and you solve I think you're absolutely right but you're gonna run it you'll be absolutely fine you don't even have to train this much I mean don't want concern as he's got a weight lost journey written in there so I don't know if he's one of these dudes that you know used to be 500 pounds and now he's you know 380 or something yeah you know that 11:57.636 --> 12:02.579 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, if his weight loss journey was he was 250 and now he's 190, like that's that's a lot. 12:02.719 --> 12:03.440 [SPEAKER_00]: That's no factor. 12:03.620 --> 12:14.527 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and if if just like I said, if he's risking like legitimately risking his health or, yeah, do the injury or something like this, and yeah, I personally don't think it's worth off. 12:14.848 --> 12:17.409 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, it's not, it's not worth it. 12:17.429 --> 12:23.814 [SPEAKER_01]: So if that's the case, but, um, but yeah, all things being good to go on on my side from these things, yeah, no. 12:24.354 --> 12:28.838 [SPEAKER_00]: Do it if you have to freaking jog and then kind of walk the thing. 12:28.918 --> 12:33.081 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Yeah, so I don't see the marathon is being the problem. 12:33.361 --> 12:33.781 [SPEAKER_00]: I see these. 12:34.102 --> 12:45.050 [SPEAKER_00]: They also like eating a lot of carbs and sugar for fuel Like at what point you ever had that thing where you got like open mat tomorrow And you're like, well, it's you know Saturday night at open mat tomorrow. 12:45.170 --> 12:46.751 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, we're gonna be getting after it 12:47.892 --> 12:58.703 [SPEAKER_00]: I've got to clear it out of that thing looking over you don't mean so now if you're running all and you're feeling that's another thing It's like you're feeling tired, but your diet is junk and that ain't good. 12:59.264 --> 13:03.648 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I had a freaking 13:04.549 --> 13:08.673 [SPEAKER_00]: Cookie like a big Trock, not a mocha cookie. 13:09.014 --> 13:27.613 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but a big ass freaking for breakfast like For breakfast bro Yeah, yeah, my it is one of my kids brought by like the you know those places that just make like sick cookies So one of my kids brought one of those things by 13:28.173 --> 13:36.598 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I call you got to have this guy since I was like cool, you know, I was like training you know as I had no no factor, but I ate a cookie bomb and apparently these cookies have like 1,000 to count. 13:36.618 --> 13:38.039 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I know what you're doing. 13:39.419 --> 13:40.100 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that. 13:41.400 --> 13:43.201 [SPEAKER_00]: And also, you know, like a discipline and freedom, right? 13:43.242 --> 13:44.182 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, here's some freedom, right? 13:44.482 --> 13:45.503 [SPEAKER_00]: Got broke out the milk. 13:45.523 --> 13:46.283 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's real. 13:46.303 --> 13:46.944 [SPEAKER_00]: Great. 13:46.984 --> 13:49.285 [SPEAKER_00]: This big ass chocolate chip cookie broken. 13:49.525 --> 13:50.746 [SPEAKER_00]: I felt like I got. 13:51.406 --> 13:53.787 [SPEAKER_00]: Hit upside the head with like a baseball bat. 13:54.247 --> 14:15.293 [SPEAKER_00]: I just got tired and part of it's because I don't you know That's not normal for me to just gut bomb a thousand calories worth of sugar But dude, I was like you was gnarly and I felt like fell asleep, you know like set down on the couch for a little while because I got I got done working out ran took a shower gut bomb 14:17.054 --> 14:37.747 [SPEAKER_00]: Sugar bomb and like I was sitting there and it was you know it's on a weekend and I was like Wow, and I just was like fell asleep just insulin bomb So if So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocco underground podcast so if you want to continue to listen 14:39.636 --> 15:07.255 [SPEAKER_00]: go to jockelunderground.com and subscribe and we're doing this we're doing this to mitigate our reliance on external platforms so we are not subject to their control and we are doing this so that we can support the jockel podcast which will remain as is free for all as long as we can give it that way but we are doing this so we don't have to be under the control of sponsors 15:08.316 --> 15:15.839 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're doing it so we can give you more control, more interaction, more direct connections, better communications with us. 15:17.280 --> 15:27.303 [SPEAKER_00]: And to do that, we are building a website right now, where we'll build the utilize to strengthen this legion of troopers that are in the game with us. 15:27.684 --> 15:30.405 [SPEAKER_00]: So thank you, it's jockelunderground.com. 15:30.745 --> 15:33.686 [SPEAKER_00]: It costs $8 and $18 a month. 15:33.826 --> 15:35.687 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you can't afford to support us, 15:37.261 --> 15:49.404 [SPEAKER_00]: We can still support you, just email assistance at jockelonderground.com and we'll get you taken care of until then we will see you mobilized underground.