[SPEAKER_00]: Hey there, this is Chuck from the Cinematic Flashback podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you been living for a dream?
[SPEAKER_00]: Loving for a moment and taking on the world, but just finding out was just not your style.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, look no further as D&Js and dive into Survivor's vital signs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Through broken hearts, lightning from the blue and a few questionable 80s fashion choices, they'll prove once and for all that love and great rock albums were right before our eyes all along.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The gauge lays in gelman.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody welcome back to the Shirley.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't be serious podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I gave you that introduction because well this is the coolest crossover I've ever accidentally come across in my life.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're here today to talk about survivor vital signs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Last week we talked about Chicago and Chicago 17.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pitting these two big albums head to head.
[SPEAKER_01]: And other than the fact that these albums came out very close to the same time, we're both huge hits exactly 40 years ago, and these guys are both Chicago-based bands, I was having little trouble finding some crossover until I found out.
[SPEAKER_01]: that the Bud Light campaign real men of genius.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure a lot of you know, featured the former lead singer of Survivor, Mr. Dave Pickler.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dave Pickler.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was our singer and the music was composed by Chicago.
[SPEAKER_02]: Get out of town.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just wanted to say, for those of you out there, who are searching for your new favorite podcasts.
[SPEAKER_02]: The search is over.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, well we are here today to talk about vital science survivors come back album after being a huge success in the early 80s.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks to a little movie called Rocky 3 and an epic song which I would say made the movie almost as much as the movie made the song.
[SPEAKER_01]: Huge.
[SPEAKER_01]: then they went through a little dip, little down spell, and this was their rise from the ashes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Much like Chicago, 17.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was there, you know, they had had a bit of a comeback on Chicago, 16, and 17 biggest selling Chicago album of all time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, just to give a quick overview of vital signs, it was released in September of 1984, just a few months after Chicago 17.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is their biggest selling album, reach number 16 on the charts.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's their fifth studio album, and I believe they only had one more after this before they broke up before and then.
[SPEAKER_02]: tried the casino thing a few years after that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I found this bit of information.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't really understand it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to put it out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: This album remained commercially available by volcano entertainment.
[SPEAKER_02]: After they took a great deal of their stuff out of print in 2009.
[SPEAKER_01]: that is correct, yes sir.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was a lesser, you know, label than a lot of labels and they did just kind of go defunct.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they lost, yeah, a lot of the catalog just went, just gone, you're not out there anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you can't, you can't quit survivor.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why they're survivor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why physical media is also better because you can't just go poof in the middle of the night.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you've got some finals right back here.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to get rid of them spotify.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you're not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although I do listen to spotify on the regular now.
[SPEAKER_02]: OK, D. So I was going to start in 1978.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if we don't go back further, we're going to miss out on the irides of March.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we are going to miss out on a huge thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll kind of start there.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are two basically two core members of this band.
[SPEAKER_01]: and that is Jim Peternick and Frankie Sullivan.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they are the songwriters behind the band, they are the two members of the band that were there from the beginning until, well, most of the bands career certainly all of their signed success.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you kind of have to start somewhere, and I would say you start with Jim Peternick because
[SPEAKER_01]: He had a career that was more successful before he teamed up with Frankie Sullivan, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is amazing to me is I had no idea that he was with this group called the Iads of March, who had a song and I'll get there in just a second, but this, I mean, we're talking about his teenage years, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He was born in 1950 and that Iads of March were originally called the Shondels.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tony James and the Sean Dells came out and they're like, okay, well, we got to change that name.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so if they were in high school reading Julius Caesar and it said, be where theides of March and he's like, well, that's kind of ominous.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, that's our band name.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was what that's what we got to call ourselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they were theides of March.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in 1970, they released a song now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jim Peternek had a girlfriend, and she was, she's hot, and then they broke up, and he still kind of was interested in her even though She was going to these modeling gigs, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Young teenage girl going to these modeling gigs, and I think he was a little, he was a couple years older than her
[SPEAKER_01]: but so she couldn't drive and so he would give her rides and he kept trying to you know reintroduce the relationship and she kept not really letting him do that and he realized that he was just her vehicle and in 1970 the eyes of March released this song called vehicle hold on to your butts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now the opening line of hey well I'm the friendly stranger in the black sedan won't you hop inside my car it sounds a little ominous yeah they actually got it from a I don't do drugs pamphlet that they that they had at their high school as well it was like
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, don't trust the guy with the car.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna get him to sit down.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're riding with his free.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yes, literally came from a don't-do drugs pamphlets.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they come out with this incredible song, hits number two on the charts, and boom, bang, instant success, instant fame, except not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so when I was reading up on the Iads of March, I had never heard of them, but you played that song and I'm like, I think I've heard this in a basketball game, you know, by the band, you know, so it's such a great horn song.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a perfect song for a school band to be playing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a super horny song.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, speaking of horny, it actually did work out in his favor.
[SPEAKER_01]: The girl did end up getting back with him and they got married and they've been married for more than 50 years now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_01]: How about that?
[SPEAKER_01]: You just got to write a girl at number two chart topping song and all of a sudden she's yours for half a century.
[SPEAKER_02]: This takes a little patience sometimes, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, well, that's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the Isle of March goes until 1973.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're about and it was just, you know, the guys were their high school kids and they decided to do different things and Jim Peter Nick thought that he would be able to do his own thing and it wasn't like they had a falling out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just like I need to go do this thing
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so let me just tell you all I know about the Jim Petternick band.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they had one album that came out in 1976, that album was called Don't Fight the Feeling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And on the inside liner notes of this album, Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: A guy named Jim Charney on the inner liner notes of the album, wrote that Jim Petternick was a survivor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is one inspiration.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the other inspiration.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Jim Peternick played in the band with a couple of guys named Gary Smith and Dennis Keith Johnson.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those two guys would be the original bassist and drummer of Survivor, but the band that he was in with them was called Chase and it was Bill Chase's jazz rock band.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Jim Peternek would do things with this band was definitely involved in them, and one night, August 9th, 1974, he was supposed to go with them for a show that they were doing deck down in Jackson, Minnesota, but something came up.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't go, Gary Smith didn't go, David Keith Johnson didn't go, Bill Chase and the rest of the band went, the plane went down, and they all died.
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_01]: So, that is another reason that these guys could call themselves survivor.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had no idea, that's incredible, great story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I got tons of stuff to talk about, so let's jump into the first song, first track on the album.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lead Single.
[SPEAKER_01]: Van Tastic opening track, here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: The song is called, I can't hold back.
[SPEAKER_03]: By the rush of passions vibe, I can feel your tremble when we touch.
[SPEAKER_03]: When I feel the hand of fate.
[SPEAKER_03]: Bridging out to both the others, I've been holding that for the night I've been searching for a clue
[SPEAKER_03]: So good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, freaking out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do I detect the lovely melody of a 12 string guitar?
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a fantastic song, dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is so freaking good, and we know we were done with Chicago 17 last week.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought we had our ticket out of ballot town, but just when I thought we were out, they pull us right back in, and I'm not complaining.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are going to be slow swaying to the power
[SPEAKER_02]: There's some great ones on this album.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talked-arty with all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, such a good song, such a great opener.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and it's got that slow build, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: This song reached number 13 on the Hot 100.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was released September of 1984, it gets to number 13.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just got a blow through these real quick because there is a murderous role of songs on that chart.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You said this was released in September of 1984.
[SPEAKER_02]: September of 1984.
[SPEAKER_01]: 41 years ago this month.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So here you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: At number 13 you've got, I can't hold back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number 12, you've got better be good to be by Tina Turner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number 11, like a virgin, Madonna.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number 10, we belong by Pat Minitar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number nine, cool it now by New Edition.
[SPEAKER_01]: Holy cow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, Jeff Dave.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Jeff Dave.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number eight, Penny Lover by Lionel Richie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, number seven.
[SPEAKER_02]: See you've love by Honey Drivers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Honey Drivers, sung by Robert Plant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Robert Plant of.
[SPEAKER_02]: Formerly of Led Zeppelin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Led Zeppelin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Led Zeppelin.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number six, no more lonely nights.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember who's saying that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number five, all through the night by Cindy Lopper, off the She's so unusual album.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number four, wild boys by Duran Duran.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ranger.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number three, I feel for you by Shaka Khan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Shaka Khan, Shaka Khan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number two, wake me up before you go go.
[SPEAKER_02]: And number one, out of touch by Holonodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Out of time, my gosh, you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is a murderers' row.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like when was the music better than 1984?
[SPEAKER_01]: answer is never.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe never.
[SPEAKER_01]: Never.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when they were building this song, Frankie Sullivan and Jim Pinternick sat down, their relationship wasn't going that well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I heard Jim Pinternick talk he said, you know, Frankie Sullivan was not a great songwriter.
[SPEAKER_02]: but he was a great editor, he had a great ear for what was commercial.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so sometimes he would try to do something and it would be kind of corny.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Frankie Sullivan would be like, nope, that's not passing.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to hone that in a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he said when they set down, he said, I've got this title that's been going around in my head.
[SPEAKER_02]: The title was I can't hold back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they sat down, they're kind of working on it, and he said, I've got this line, and there's a story in my eyes, and Frankie Sullivan came right back and said, turn the page of desire, and they're both like, there you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And correct me if I wrong, but this is the first single sung by Jimmy Jamison.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will correct you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not the first single.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what is the first single is from the karate kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first single is the moment of truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: The moment of truth came out in June of 84, just a few months before this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, this is the second one saying by Jim Jameson.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we've got a survivor song on a karate kid album.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got a Peter Cateras song on a karate kid album.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's another crossover right there, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now have you seen the music video for this song?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have not.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pause the podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got to watch this video.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to pause.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll pause.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll pause.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll pause.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you've now seen the music video I lied to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have seen that music video.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I I must pick this song and we did our top five of 1984 because I remember that I remember watching that video vividly going oh my gosh check out the booty in those mom jeans coming down from the book ladder at the library
[SPEAKER_01]: Read and book about Elvis who is who they compared Jimmy Jamison immediately to when they met him because he is from Mississippi.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got that southern polite draw.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's and he's got a voice that'll melt you like honey, baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: he's got a great voice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, just to comment on the music video, there's a sort of, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: her name is Lee Ann Marie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then she turns into slutty Sandy, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's got the black skin tight pants on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's also very risky business.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like love on a real train coming to you as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I was going to ask you.
[SPEAKER_02]: The very into the music video that it's on the Ellen Chicago.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's meant to look like
[SPEAKER_01]: risky business.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I read an interview with Missley and Marie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she said that it was one glorious 17 hour day and they started in the bookstore, then they went and did the concert stuff and then they had a private L like on a loop in Chicago just for filming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, any chance you recognize this girl because you've seen her a million times maybe in the background, you probably weren't paying attention to her
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, gosh, I feel like I should know this, but I don't tell me.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, she is one of the dancers and singers, I guess you could say that our backing first viewer on the parade, that's it, yes, oh my gosh, I don't know what you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's she lifts the skirt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I totally do remember that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another Chicago movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now get good job, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miss Leanne Marie.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go into song number two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can't possibly be as good as this one, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's better.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, it's not better.
[SPEAKER_02]: It charted higher.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think it's better.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: This song is called high onion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay so this is another fantastic song.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean it's it's as good if not better than the first one they're coming out with two bangers right out of the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now do you know the potential story behind this one?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I've heard some of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want you to go ahead and tell me.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you tell me what you think the story is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I heard Jim Peternik had this title since 1977, when he was watching and like a CBS Awards show where Sly in the Family Stone, Sly was a rumor to be heavily knocked out on drugs.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when he got up in front of the crowd, he looked good, sounded good, was articulate and said, I just want everybody to know, I'm high on you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so heard Jim Pitternick talk about that and he was like, that's not true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he did, he did have the lyrics, he said he had the lyrics long before that incident ever happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that shoots my story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a fun story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah but it's just great because you know it's there there are all kinds of these stories you know the contingent between the two main guys of this band is strong like they've they are at odds they are oil and water but their blend of what they do gives us some incredible big hits okay i think it's the iron sharpens iron idea
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, they're they're completely different guys like I've listened to interviews with both of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jim Peternick is well spoken and kind of fun and good natured and Frankie Sullivan, I mean, when I started listening to all I could think of was the line from Avengers where he's like, that guy's brain is a bag of cats.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's the way the Frankie Sullivan talks and and death bombs are flying as they may he's a very much a Chicago kid But after just you know after you give him a little time to kind of cool, you know, they let the engine like settle down Just a little bit he does make a lot of sense and he does he calls things untrue when they're untrue But this one for that particular song it was Jim Pitternick that was like yeah, no, that's not how that song happened
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, however it happened, this song reached number eight in 1985.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just to quick run down, ever eight is high on you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number seven, private dancer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number six is love or girl by lady team.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're talking about dinner Marie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tina Marie, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number six, two late for goodbye is by Julie Linnon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number four, the heat is on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bye, going for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number one, one more night, bye.
[SPEAKER_02]: One more.
[SPEAKER_01]: That'd be Genesis.
[SPEAKER_01]: That'd be Phil Collins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, God knows by himself, okay, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number two, material girl.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And number one can't fight this feeling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but this feeling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which I think we're playing on Coveron, are you playing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you playing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you playing?
[SPEAKER_02]: I did hear Jim Peter and I say that this song was written from a jam.
[SPEAKER_02]: Said the best time to write music is during a jam because you all miced up all the sound equipment's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's in a good mood.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's feeling good and so you get up there and just kind of work, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Knock it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great one.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great result.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ready for song number three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Song number three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: After all the songs fade away.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the stage beats to grail, we will remember this first night together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Songs like this would piss me off at school dances.
[SPEAKER_01]: As you would really hear this song come on, you be like, oh, it's so song.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, and you go out there, you're like, you finally get out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're finally like, where do I put my hands and we go?
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, feeling good and flow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Suddenly at 45 seconds in the drums kick in and now it's a fast song, and I've got a I don't know what to do here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah, I know talking about it been there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a bad song But it's song like this would piss me off.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's cool days
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a bad song.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's pretty good song.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the fourth single and all you reach number 53 in the high 100.
[SPEAKER_02]: But still, it's a good song stacking hits as we go, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: What I note on this song is that I haven't heard a song yet where every word was crystal clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're talking about Jim Jameson's voice, like most rock songs.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have some part that you're going to be like, I
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if you've only heard one survivor song in your whole life, you were listening to Dave Vickler saying it because it had to be, I have the tiger, and we've got that story in just a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Jim Petternick doesn't do super well with his solo band, and since the first time you've heard this story before, he decides to do TV jingles.
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah that's right he's not only writing them he is also singing them but we know we talked about with Brian Adams right in TV jingles we know that Brian Johnson just before he is talking with the human vacuum cleaners i mean who was it somebody was it's Cinderella that had a hot dog commercial i mean the all kinds of these guys are doing commercial work before they hit it big right yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: And so he's on his down slump from being a rock star, but he's making a little money writing TV jingles for slits beer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look out for the bull here comes, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said that there was a guy who would routinely be in there singing with him, wearing a parade for some reason, and he said in between takes, the guy'd go sit in the corner and read little science fiction books, and that guy was Dave Bickler.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when he decides, hey, you know, I'm trying to figure out how to put a band back together.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a guy who used to be a roadie kind of road manager for him who is like, you need to go listen to this band play.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got a guitarist that is incredible and that guy is Frankie Sullivan.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the band was called Mariah and it was playing a whole lot different music than what Jim Petternik had been doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: when Franky Sullivan and Jim Petternick meet.
[SPEAKER_01]: They instantaneously write a song.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they have got a song within the first hour and they realize, oh my gosh, this is a match that we cannot pass up.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Jim Petternick has got a guy who is a great guitarist, he's a decent guitarist, he can play several instruments and he was the vocalist for theides of March.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's his voice
[SPEAKER_01]: Which I mean he's I mean if you to ask me the the skin tone of him I would not have guessed it It's only with you, yeah, right, but they're like we need somebody who can sing the high parts right same kind of Chicago story Got guys you can sing low parts guys who can sing the high parts So he calls on his jingle buddy Dave Bickler to come be the guy that sings the high parts and he becomes the guy that really sings the main parts, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And they recruit the guy from the Chase Band, the drummer and the bassist and those guys are with them for the first album.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now first album is called Survivor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, 1979.
[SPEAKER_01]: 1979 and it has a young lady on the cover of it in a little like World War II style military garb.
[SPEAKER_02]: You send me a picture of this and I was like you were like who is this and I was like man that she looks familiar but her face is a little bit hidden I could yeah it's gonna get her hand kind of got a hair hand over her mouth yeah miss biggie veil herself stop the press
[SPEAKER_01]: Who is that?
[SPEAKER_02]: I like Batman.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is, Kim Basinger.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very young, Kim Basinger.
[SPEAKER_01]: Super young, Kim Basinger.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's one, he's one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's one.
[SPEAKER_01]: She needs her, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Incredible.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go on to the third single on the album.
[SPEAKER_02]: This song is called The Searches Over.
[SPEAKER_03]: What you see is real When I just blame you For telling you what you feel I was always reaching You were just a girl I knew I took the granted The friend I was
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, ladies and gentlemen, you have to use my partner, he's leaking liquid joy out of his eyes over here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So good, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I heard like I've heard this a thousand times.
[SPEAKER_01]: Spiking the football man, best song on the album.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so good.
[SPEAKER_03]: with me on
[SPEAKER_02]: So again, and it tells the story that kind of it comes full circle at the very end you get that closure on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's beautiful.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's written about this idea that you're that we're all in a search.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're all in a search for a loved one for somebody to love for a job for whatever we want on a life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that the idea that there's this person in your life and he realizes at the end of the song.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're the person I've been looking for this whole time and you're right before my eyes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jim Pedernick said this is actually about a friend of his that had, you know, he had been searching for the love of his life for his whole life and there was a girl who would, I mean, when they were little kids, they had played together in the sandbox, you know, and had always been this lifelong friend that he could talk to and be with and feel comfortable with and all of a sudden it was just like, oh, you've been here all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: what a shocking revelation that could be right right so it's all i thought this was really interesting this was written by jimpenic while driving
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's one of those deals where it like hits him like a thunderbolt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Luckily, he's got a little taper quarter next to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Dick to phone, they used to call him back in a day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he pops it on and he says he's saying all of it just kind of all the Laude does.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't have the words, but he just kind of sang in and his voice went up and down and he had the melody and he had everything, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he had a title, the search is over, but he didn't have the hook.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when Jim Peternick brought it to the band during rehearsal, he sat down one-on-one with Frankie Sullivan, and they wrote the line together.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I touched your hand, I could hear you whisper, the searches over love was right before my eyes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they both got goosebumps.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's when they knew they had something, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this was the second song that Jimmy Jameson sang while auditioning for Survivor.
[SPEAKER_01]: right so they were in the back of a carpet factory like they said their eyes were watering that the the stench from the the nasty carpet was so bad and yeah Jim Jim Jameson comes in to sing the song.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he said they brought in all kinds of singers.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like some of them were just terrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he got it down to two guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of them was Jimmy Jameson who had been a lead singer for Cobra.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: He sang broken promises, which we'll talk about here in a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did so well on that one that Jim Pinterneck's like, hey, why don't you try this song we've been working on?
[SPEAKER_02]: We feel like it's maybe a hit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he started to work on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he got to the part where it's now I look into your eyes.
[SPEAKER_02]: and it's voice cracked and they looked at each other and like okay we have to bring that down half a step before you know it and Jimmy Jeffers is like dude give a guy have a chance man right and then you step back and then nailed it and they're like this is our guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Frankie Sullivan tells the sequence of events slightly different than Jim does.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said that Jimmy Jamison was the first guy to audition.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like after the after-day Bickler was gone, which he said he was actually relieved and thankful that the day Bickler was gone because I mean the guy in the Borei reading science fiction magazines is not the best front man for the band.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good voice.
[SPEAKER_01]: not a good concert performer, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And you need somebody who can give you full energy through an entire show day after day after day and they've just wasn't that guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously kills it on eye of the tiger.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does.
[SPEAKER_01]: But one and done is not going to be enough for you, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so when probably fortuitus from the band's perspective, Dave Bickler gets nodes on his throat and he has to have an operation to remove the nodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But nodes, there's no way to,
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no way to just push through it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so he's supposed to rest for a year.
[SPEAKER_01]: He rested for two weeks, finished out the concert, but then it was like guys, you know, this is, I gotta take my time around and lose my voice.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that gave them the opportunity to say, okay, we're gonna try to find another singer, which he understood, but that meant he was gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jimmy James is the first guy that comes in and Franky Sullivan hears him saying and he's like, dude, that's our guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: like he's full in it like he plays things both of those songs sings them perfectly like he somehow knew the melody like Jim Jim Peternick was like if you heard this before and he's like no I just have a good ear for picking up the melody and and so they get done and they're like guys Frank Frank he's almost like guys we don't we don't need to see anybody else that's the guy and out the rest of the guys in the banner like oh let's we got other guys let's listen to the other guys he's like
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why we're wasting our time listening to the other guys and they listen to the it so like days go by and he's like we're gonna freaking lose this guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're losing this guy He's gonna go back down to Mississippi.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna find another band.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna lose him and so they him and Hall for a while and he he finally says because they were talking about the other singer He's like, I tell you what if you don't pick Jimmy Jameson go ahead and put a one at out for guitarist too because I'm leaving the band
[SPEAKER_01]: really yeah that's a good and so they're like okay yeah you're right he was the best and he's like I hope we can find him the roadie should come back in the room and they're like we kept him here and they're like you what we're like we knew you guys were gonna pick him and so we put him in the hotel that we're staying in we've been hanging out with him every night drinking having fun he's been here the whole time so he was right there ready to go because the roadie's in
[SPEAKER_02]: that he was right before the rest of the search is over okay i've got an interesting story about this song i don't know if i'm able to pull it off because it requires me to sing a little bit okay and i'm not a singer but i heard Jim Peter Nick talk about how there's a certain part of this song where the melody was a bit more ambitious and there was a part where he said
[SPEAKER_02]: behind me.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the original melody.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Frankie Sullivan's like, now, let's just let's keep it more basic.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's now the Rhodes stretch behind me.
[SPEAKER_02]: A little more down level.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Jimmy Jamison always preferred that little higher jump, little higher peaks.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a little joke between Jimmy Jamison and Jim Peternick.
[SPEAKER_02]: When Jimmy would play the song with his own band and when he would play with Jim
[SPEAKER_02]: he would sing that higher the higher peaks.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that little melody was an inside joke between Jim, Peterneck, and Jim and Jameson.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when Jim Peterneck called Jim and Jameson for the last time before he died before he passed away, he didn't tell him, hey, this is Jim, call me back.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just sang that little higher peak melody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: One more quick thing on the song.
[SPEAKER_02]: The producer of this album was Ron Nevesson, who we talked about when we did heart earlier this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: actually and Wilson heard this album and said we want that guy because he knows how to make hits.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so when Jimmy Jamison laid down the vocals for the searches over, they all said runniffs and it's like stone-cold, motionless, very business-like that he wept.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's impressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: So interesting science story on Ron Neppison.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he had on their first album, very first survivor album.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had come in to replace somebody else or as I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, he had come in to replace him because John Colodner wanted him to come in and fix things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think basically what happened was, again, this kind of goes to, you know, Jim Petternex seems like the nice guy, but he also seems like the guy who's like gonna be like, it's gotta be my way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I guess once they had done the producing side of things and were to the mixing side of things and the engineering side of things, Jim Petternex gave him basically a laundry list of things that he wanted to do and Ron Nevinson just said, I'm done.
[SPEAKER_01]: See ya.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna go.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so what they had to do was they had to take it up to Bruce Fairbaren.
[SPEAKER_01]: and Bob Rock up in Canada and that's how they and it was just it was just Jim Peternick that went and Dave Bickler was like we had a pretty hard hitting Alvin when he left and a pretty soft hitting Alvin when he came back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Bert back or act is of course, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wrote a little note to Jim Peternick just said some of the real short like the searches over what a song.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and Burke backtrack was Jim Peternex hero, like hero songwriter.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's, you know, kill me now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm done.
[SPEAKER_02]: God reached out and said great job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, right for the next song.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next song in the album is a song called Broken Promises.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this one could have been a hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a little more soundtracking, top gun, proud of kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it definitely could have been an soundtrack for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, catch you hook, fun song, I like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was the song that Jimmy Jameson first I auditioned to.
[SPEAKER_01]: So speaking of soundtracks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the first album that they had, not real successful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The second album had a couple of singles that were okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But their company was the Scotty Brothers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we talked about the Scotty Brothers before.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure it's when we talked about John Caffardy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: When we were talking about the Eddie and the Cruiser song.
[SPEAKER_02]: with Travis Leslie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, on our Patreon episode, guys, if you want to hear about those awesome one-hit wonders, go to our Patreon.com slash Shirley Podcast where you can join for free and you can hear all those episodes for as little as five dollars a month.
[SPEAKER_01]: Join the family, join the conversation, and if you want to buy Jason, I cup of coffee every other month, you get all of those episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, Scotty Brothers, or guys who happened to be friends with Sylvester Stallone.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so Vester Stallone is making Rocky 3 as it turns out right and rock and so Vester Stallone is like, well, you know, for this one, I really want a rock song in it, you know, he goes, I love, you know, Bill Conti, a level he does with all his stuff, but I want something that's actually a rock song in it and who does to the Scotty Brothers Tony Scotty is like, we got these guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're really good songwriters.
[SPEAKER_01]: We really think they may be able to do the job for you on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: When they play them a little bit of the other albums, and Chernaffy calls up, and the song that he had initially was another one bites the dust.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he was able to get Queen to agree to let him use that song.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the movie, so they're like, OK, well, can you send us something?
[SPEAKER_01]: He sends him a rough cut of the first
[SPEAKER_01]: 10 minutes of the movie and Frankie Sullivan calls him back and he's like let's mean we're not going to sell this thing on black market here can we watch the whole movies that we get some sort of idea of what's going on here and then Jim Peternick is like okay what so that's just the loan told me was he wanted me to write a song that's going to outlast another one bites the dust better than that than another bites the dust it's going to last for a look and he's like sure no problem sure no
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're watching the, they're watching the montage sequence and he's just, he's just trying to get a fast kind of rhythm.
[SPEAKER_01]: You think about another one bites the dust.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's done, done, done, done and so he basically double times that of that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, he's thinking, because Slai had said something about liking Warman's son.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's thinking about the power cords in Warman's son, and he's like, what if I hit the power cord on each of these punches?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's
[SPEAKER_01]: And literally, like it doesn't make time sequins wise, it doesn't really make a lot of sips, but when you're watching the movie, he's hitting those power cords right at the punches.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're still in my story.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the reason why any cover band who plays I have a tiger, they know that the drum sequence is off.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, James Buckley's probably like, hey, and the crap is the drum sequence off.
[SPEAKER_02]: it's because they were trying to make it hit on the punches, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they do a demo of just a demo of the song for first slide, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, this is great.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to use it like he's excited about it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing he says is you cheated because you use the same last verse as your first verse.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he makes him go change the last thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at the two verses, they're very
[SPEAKER_01]: close but it's like I'm starting and I'm finishing kind of thing but anyway so they go and they change that and then they're like okay well we need a fully produced song and Frankie Sullivan's like guys they're on a deadline he liked the demo given the demo and I like we need a fully produced one if you listen to what's on the rocky soundtrack.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is not the same song if you listen to the single version.
[SPEAKER_01]: The album version is the fully produced version.
[SPEAKER_01]: What you hear in the movie and on the Rocky 3 soundtrack is the demo version.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's still fantastic, of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: That blows my mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's still in a safety deposit box along with that rough cut.
[SPEAKER_01]: Little max L tape that says Rocky 3 slash demo, a Frankie Sullivan has it in a safety deposit box.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now listen, when he told him to write a song that's going to outlast another one by sedust, they accomplished that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Either Tiger is one of the biggest singles of the 80s.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's in the, I mean, it's one of the biggest singles all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got a little nugget for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I turned over some rocks and I came up with this little trivia.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the songs with the most weeks at number one in the 80s.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Before we do this, the songs with the most weeks at number one of all time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be broken this year by a song that we Patriot on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mariah Carey is all I want for Christmas at you has spent 18 weeks at number one total and is guaranteed to hit a number one again this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: My world is on fire.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here are the songs that have the most weeks at number one in the 1980s.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: So at number nine and number eight for six straight weeks,
[SPEAKER_02]: You have like a virgin and I have a tiger six weeks at number one man.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's smoking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: A three way tie at seven weeks at number one.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have Billy Jean one of the best songs of the 80s.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love rock and roll by Joan Jet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the best songs of the 80s.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Ebony and Ivory.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those all came out at the same time, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of those came out at the same time, yeah, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hate that song, by the way, Evan and I were so stupid.
[SPEAKER_01]: You hate all Stevie Wonder things, I think you're biased.
[SPEAKER_01]: Number four, Phil.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no players.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number four and eight weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have every breath you take by the police.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Huge song, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Monsters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number three for nine weeks and number two.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have endless love by Lionel Richie and Diana Ross.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would not have guessed that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you have Betty Davis eyes by Kim Karns of it man.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was saw that was on all the time Yeah, I non consecutive weeks kind of an interesting little note there Yeah, and the the song that spent the most weeks at number one in the 80s Let's get physical Physical are you kidding in weeks?
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, wow Science fans never would have guessed that number one spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow great nugget.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay ready to move on
[SPEAKER_02]: Hit stop when you're taking a player, kick it out, flip it over for side two, and we start off with popular girl.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this a song that young teenage girls were singing to themselves back in the Middle 80s?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a popular girl.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is swinging a miss.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the music's good, but the concept of the song is not there, like you missed it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of like a sea version of these other hits like high onions, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the same ingredients, just done quite pretty together quite as good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what's interesting is they decided to keep this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: They decided not to use a song, not on this album, but a couple of albums earlier.
[SPEAKER_01]: And John Colaternir was talking to Ron Neveson and he's like, oh, that's an interesting song.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, yeah, we're not, we're not going to use that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he meant on that album, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Not forever, probably, or maybe it was, you don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But John Colaternir, who we've talked about before, we talked about him in detail
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, white snake.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he brought back white snake.
[SPEAKER_01]: He brought back aerosmith.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was he was basically the guy behind all of the bands that were making Giffin records That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you don't remember who he is in the dude looks like a lady video He's the guy with a long beard wearing the wedding dress.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's John Klotter.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so John Klotter is like, do you mind if I take this song?
[SPEAKER_01]: for my own personal use right and then a few weeks later they're driving Jim Peter Nick is driving in the car and he hears his song come on the radio being sung by a different group okay before you tell us what the song is and who before the group
[SPEAKER_02]: Jim Peternex said they loved this song like they would encore their concerts with this song they thought it was killer They thought it was going to be like their first big hit on their first album and you know the guys kind of like collardner and neves and we're like No, that's more that's not really your guy's sound is like what are you talking about this song kills the song is rocking into the night by 38 special
[SPEAKER_01]: I love this song and that's it song and I could totally see the early survivor doing this song 100% but I mean did you know who 308 special was before this song came out?
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody did right this was their this was their breakout that's almost one of their signature songs
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, as it turns out, Jim Pedernick gets together with them again, like they're like, hey, you did it for us once, you want to come help us do it again, so Jim Pedernick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, by the way, guys, Jim Pedernick is the author.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the author of the book called Songwriting for Dummies.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me go look it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go look it up, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm ready for Dominique's first line.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jim Peternick, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's a good songwriter, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's doing well, but he gets together with these guys and you know, it's just like you would expect it's guys in the kitchen, you know, having a beer talking about, well, what are we gonna do?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, right ahead, let's do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so one of the, you know, like the bass players, like, I got some ideas for song titles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Think a good one would be like, hold on loosely.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, I can work with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can do something with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we get pulled on loosely.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the next guy is like, I got this, I kind of got this thing that I kind of stole from the cars, this little riff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, I can use that too.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he takes this riff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he comes up with caught up in you, which is like, these are the three biggest 38 special songs that they're all.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was listening to an interview with Jim Pettodek and the guy was like, do you feel guilty like writing hit songs for 38 special and not bringing them back to Survivor?
[SPEAKER_02]: and Jim said no, my conscious is totally clear because he's the one who had the title hold on loosely and I said, don't let go and the other guy had the had the kind of the riff and yeah, we built it together, but that wouldn't have happened with my guys, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's like, no, I'm totally fine with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I will tell you this.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was very mad that Kalodner had stolen that song from him and given it to 38 special without them even knowing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: they first time they discovered it's being played on the radio they're like that's our song yeah and he said that he was kind of presiding on grotto because collander was like his friend
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, like and they thought he was in on the deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, I didn't I didn't give him permission to do this, but then of course once he starts getting hate from the rest of the band then he's like, well, okay, screw you guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll write him some more songs by the way, one little Ted note for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did know Ted note.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: On July 3rd, like basically, for July week in 1982.
[SPEAKER_02]: Either tiger is at number nine on the hot 100.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and caught up in you is number 10.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh song.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Different bands in the top 10.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how often that happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wait.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on to the next song.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next song is called Everlasting.
[SPEAKER_01]: They missed an opportunity by not releasing the song as a single.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the song.
[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of see them as like a working man's bunjovey.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's rock, it's love, it's kind of hard love, you know, passion, and the keys and the guitar and the kind of the power cords.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the song.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fantastic, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really surprised they didn't release it as a single.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a kind of surprise.
[SPEAKER_01]: They put it middle of the side two.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of lost.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this album is front-loaded for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I want to talk to you about the other song.
[SPEAKER_02]: If there's only one song by Survivor that you know, it's either time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: If there's only two songs that you know by Survivor, it's either time or burning hearts.
[SPEAKER_03]: Two must collide, rival nation.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were hoping to do it again with Rocky 4, and Jim Petternick writes a song called, I believe, was called, Unquenchable Fire.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's still known as, like, I like the song, title sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: They changed the title, and that's how you get... I don't know about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did listen to Jim Petternick say that they were on tour, I think with REO Speedwagon, but we're gonna cover later this year if you hadn't caught that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was at the pool, just he said, I just lame by the pool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Trying to get some sun while on tour and Frankie Sullivan says, guess what, got the script for Rocky Four.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, well, let's look at it, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't even get a rough cut on this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just got the script.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they sat down and kind of were dissecting it, but they went back to the hotel and just like banged this out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm picturing, you know, like a wet beach towel over in the corner.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like they're in their swimsuit and flip flops while they're working on this song.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it goes on to be a number two hit in 1986.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're keeping track now, these guys have had a hit song on Rocky 3, a hit song on karate kid, and hit song on Rocky 4.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't even include all of the bangers on the first side of this album.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're on a quite a street right here.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next song in the album is called It's The Singer Not The Song.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like this one too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a great one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, interestingly, we're talking about all these successful songs that these guys have had, but they've had them with two different singers, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And here we go, we've got this, the singer and not the song.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it is, or if it is actually the song, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Have to say.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, what is interesting about what happens with them later on is, obviously, after this album, they are not as successful.
[SPEAKER_01]: They end up breaking up, I think, late 80s, early 90s, ultimately get back together again, on again, often in a few times.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then in the early to mid 2000s, they get back together with both singers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dave Bickler and Jimmy Jamison are both on stage singing together and Frankie Sullivan said this was my idea and it was a bad idea and he said I and the reason it was a bad idea was you put a spotlight on two guys and one guy looks great and the other guy looks terrible in comparison and he said Dave Bickler like he said this said from the beginning he's just not a frontman and so he just
[SPEAKER_01]: He said their harmonies were good, they work good together, but it just really pointed out distinction on how good Jimmy Jameson was as a frontman and how bad Dave Fickler was.
[SPEAKER_02]: That makes me a little bit sad to hear that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jimmy Jameson has got a golden voice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Got a golden voice and he's got movie star good love.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because he's good looking guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, the question is, I mean, obviously we talked about his lack of ability as a frontman, but why Dave Bickler was gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: after the phenomenal success of I have the tiger.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had another album called Caught in the Game, came out in 83 in between I have the tiger and vital signs.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of hardcore survivor fans say this is the best album.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's really good album.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember any songs from it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, four singles released, three in the US, one was caught in the game, one was I never stopped loving you and one was it doesn't have to be this way, but Dave Bickler was talking and he was like, he said that the kind of strife that was going on between Frankie Sullivan and Jim Peternick kind of spilled over into also the marketing team and they were having difficulty getting along with them as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: and you don't want to piss off the guys who are out there marketing your product because they may not do that and then your product doesn't get any traction because nobody knows right and he said that they were literally having dinner with the guys from the record label the guys from the record label were like hey can't wait till the new album comes out when it's supposed to be out and they're like it came out two weeks ago like oh we hadn't heard the record label didn't know that the song that the album had come out
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it does dismaly bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got the vocal nodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got the lack of presence on stage.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how ultimately he's out of the band.
[SPEAKER_02]: Terrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do want to bring up one more song, Post Burning Heart.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a top 10 hit in 87, I think, in January of 1987.
[SPEAKER_02]: That song is called, Is This Love.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, no, I don't really recognize that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Top 10 hit from 1987.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very similar to what you get on vital signs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember staying home for school one time and just listen to this one over and over.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Last song in the album.
[SPEAKER_02]: Last song in the album is called, I see you in everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we led with Ballet Town.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna leave with Ballet Town.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you dance with the girl that brought you, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, that's exactly right.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is an abad song.
[SPEAKER_01]: I enjoy this song.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good one.
[SPEAKER_02]: This sounds like the song in one of Crazy Summer by Honeyman Sweet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, just kind of a similar feel that the keys and the, you know, the rock love, you know, the power cord and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's great song.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's again, Jimmy Jameson's voice is just sort of a little good on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it really this song you really just get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You get a full taste of that voice.
[SPEAKER_02]: When you get a gifted songwriter, like Jim Peterneck, and you get a guy who has a ear for commercial hits like Frankie Sullivan.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you match that up with a voice like Jimmy Jameson.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna have hits.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Why?
[SPEAKER_03]: Why?
[SPEAKER_02]: But they petered out, and they peter next time.
[SPEAKER_01]: They peter it out, yeah, they did.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they just faded away into oblivion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the music scene was changing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if their last hit was 87, then I'm the introduced shit of guns and roses followed by a couple years later, band called Nirvana, and a band called Pearl Jam, and some other Seattle sound that made this sound like something nobody wanted to listen to anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, but people wanted to listen to him back in the back in the early 2000s, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: We wanted to listen to him in the 80s and then we wanted to listen to him again when nostalgia became our thing, tragically when they started doing their tour with both Dave Bickler and Jimmy Jameson, 2014, walk in and they find Jimmy Jameson dead in his hotel room.
[SPEAKER_01]: First reported as a heart attack, next it was determined that it was a cardiovascular issue and artillery or oral scurlerosis, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: The thickening of the veins and a stroke, but also with methamphetamine in the system.
[SPEAKER_01]: which somebody was somebody was like, you know, with these diet pills that they gave them and vitamins in, the way that Frankie was like, just kind of started doing something you shouldn't have been doing, which mean you're in what he was probably in his 60s at that point, not the time to start doing nice, not that there ever is a time, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, all of those factors together and we lost a truly amazing voice.
[SPEAKER_02]: We did.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that brings us to final judgment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, here it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we've just finished with vital signs last week.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did Chicago 17.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go first, okay?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going first because I have had not... We have not had a matchup that's been this close in my mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: Since Bull Durham and Major League.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha.
[SPEAKER_01]: Season one thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I was on the way over here today, and I'm like, I'm listening.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm listening to the Chicago songs, and I'm having to like, I'm like, I'm listening to the first 20 seconds, boom, boom, boom, listen to the first of all the vital signs again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've listened to both these albums multiple times, and I'm going to make a pick today.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it could be not my pick tomorrow, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It could be not my picture.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I really, it's a struggle because there are some incredible, all of them power ballots in this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say, album as a whole, there are more better songs on vital signs, overall, more better songs.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's definitely front-loaded, but I think as a group,
[SPEAKER_01]: All of the songs are great on vital signs.
[SPEAKER_01]: On Chicago 17, you have some great songs and you have some good songs and you have a few kind of clinkers for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: But on Chicago 17, the great songs that you have are so freaking great.
[SPEAKER_01]: And these songs are great too on vital signs, but for me, today, as I'm sitting here at this moment, Chicago 17 just barely edges out vital signs.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm gonna have to pick Chicago 17 as the album,
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I basically 100% agree with everything you just said.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the peaks are higher on Chicago 17.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the songs that don't hit on Chicago 17, you can tell that there's too many chiefs and none of Indians, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But on vital signs, you basically have a more consistent sound across the board with some really incredible slow dance make-out songs, power ballots.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love the power ballad.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, for me, as much as I want to choose vital signs, I got to stick with.
[SPEAKER_02]: My heart tells me that I just love Chicago 17, just a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we want to hear from you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just, I keep going.
[SPEAKER_01]: Before you throw the hate, tomorrow I'll pick vital signs.
[SPEAKER_01]: The next day I'll pick Chicago 17 and I'll just depend on the day and the mood that I'm in.
[SPEAKER_01]: But both fantastic albums loved comparing these two bands love going to ballad town I'm ready to buy house there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's live there together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_01]: What do we got coming up next?
[SPEAKER_02]: Next week, D. I've twisted your arm long enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're finally caving in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: We are doing Pui's big adventure versus Weird House UHF.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've been not just to be fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've been talking about doing UHF for five years now, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we both love Weirdo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have both lived in Tulsa, which is where they filmed it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: We know people who are in the movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've been to the places, but Pui's big adventure is not a big
[SPEAKER_01]: film and my catalog.
[SPEAKER_01]: As a matter of fact, I'm not entirely sure if I've seen it all the way through before.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you twisted my arm hard on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't know who to compare it to.
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about doing it against Elvira, Mrs. of the Dark, and I was like, no, that's just that won't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand the connection, but it just won't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then on the drive home, just a moment of inspiration, I called and I said,
[SPEAKER_01]: that are absolute, cult, fan favorites.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: It can be so fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can't wait.
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