[SPEAKER_05]: Hello everyone, welcome to the Delta Flyers journey through the wormhole with quirk decks and their good friends, Tom and Harry.
[SPEAKER_05]: Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek, Deep Space Nine.
[SPEAKER_06]: Your hosts for today are my fellow trek actors, Armin Shimmerman, Robert Duncan McNeill, and myself Garrett Wong, and one more amazing guest host, Chase Masterson.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_05]: We've got some, we don't have some love page.
[SPEAKER_05]: We have some of our patrons.
[SPEAKER_06]: We have also, yeah, we have Lisa Klink, writer Lisa Klink, who worked with DS9 and Voyager as a patron as well.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we're very excited when people came out there.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're so excited to have you here today and what a great episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is so, it's just so very star-track.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's so much in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's so much great story and comedy and drama.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and social issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I like.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and you get to speak a bunch.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, because since we've seen your introduction, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: It was a, that was that one quick sentence.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's only two episodes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, no, we've seen her, this is her third time on DS9 because of the second time before this, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is an exciting episode and I get close to wrong, which is extremely exciting.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now, you know, Garrett and I have not seen this series.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we're in real time experiencing these episodes.
[SPEAKER_05]: For some reason in my mind, I thought you ended up with quirk.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be a nightmare mirror universe episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: I know, that's why I was confused.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, how is that going to happen?
[SPEAKER_05]: But in my mind, that's what I thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: yet, yeah, no, no, I could, I would end up with Ezra before I end up with her.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: The other thing that this episode, I don't know who Ezra is, Chiefs.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think Ezra is the trail replacement, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, more on that in another episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I did, I was surprised, and we'll get into it as we talk about the episode itself.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I was surprised at the best year, the status of your best year relationship.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're dating, but they're not.
[SPEAKER_05]: And you don't ever see it really.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's what's inferred, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: They've been long term dating thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: It seems like they've grown through.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was very surprised.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it all happened off camera.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why, but, you know, there was a lot of storylines to cover.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, whatever.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, just, yeah, it's like we missed some episodes.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's how it felt.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wait, what?
[SPEAKER_06]: What happened?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Excuse me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the episodes were just too hot to handle.
[SPEAKER_01]: We couldn't show them on screen.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure there's a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you can come to Coax and see them in a Hollywood program.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, we've got some birthdays.
[SPEAKER_05]: We do.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's start with Happy Birthday.
[SPEAKER_05]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: So on September 19th, that is Mike Chow's birthday.
[SPEAKER_06]: So happy birthday to Mike.
[SPEAKER_06]: Happy birthday, buddy.
[SPEAKER_06]: Happy birthday, Mike.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday, Mike.
[SPEAKER_00]: You share that birthday with my mother.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh my, lucky you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Happy birthday, Mike.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday, Mike.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for joining us.
[SPEAKER_06]: September 21st is a really important day, because it is Killian traps birthday happy birthday Killian.
[SPEAKER_00]: Killian, you're happy happy birthday the 21st is September.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday Killian trap.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yay.
[SPEAKER_05]: We also have Brianna Claus on September 21st.
[SPEAKER_05]: Happy birthday Brianna.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday Brianna.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday Brianna.
[SPEAKER_06]: Happy birthday, Brianna.
[SPEAKER_06]: Also September 21st.
[SPEAKER_06]: Two days after Armin's Mother's birthday, another September 21st, maybe.
[SPEAKER_06]: Happy birthday Sabrina, you all.
[SPEAKER_06]: Happy birthday Sabrina.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday Sabrina.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday Sabrina.
[SPEAKER_00]: And while you guys are celebrating your birthday, I'll be hiking in Scotland.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, it's very excited for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole Scotland.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, oh, it's got, wow.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, they hide them.
[SPEAKER_05]: Armin and Kitty do these trips where they, they get this plan for hiking.
[SPEAKER_05]: You can explain, you should explain them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we take these trips where we get very sore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our legs get very sore, our torses get very sore, our feet get very sore, and but we see beautiful countryside.
[SPEAKER_05]: And don't you hike from one hotel to the next and they move us?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, a lot of times we did not on this particular hike, but we have, we have, we hike from one hotel to the other, we hire organizations that take our luggage.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank God.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have to, we don't have to, we don't have to lug our luggage.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we have taken, for instance, we walked the in England, we walked 105 miles from
[SPEAKER_00]: And we've taken long hikes in Italy, and long hikes in other areas as well, the Lake District in England.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it is both a strenuous exercise and also mental exercise because we have to know where we're going.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, Armin, I can relate to that because I have to hike from my front door to the mailbox and it's a steep driveway.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then I have to hike all the way back.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I do like you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Bronco, pretty intense.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, thank you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Intense, very intense.
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you use walking sticks to do that as well?
[SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes I do.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes it's smart to do that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think Robbie uses a walker to actually get over there and not even a walker.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have people carry your stuff?
[SPEAKER_01]: Carry your music?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they carry the mail for me.
[SPEAKER_05]: I have a book.
[SPEAKER_05]: There, he organization that will go there, get the mail out, hand it to them, and then they bring it back.
[SPEAKER_05]: And do you ever get lost on your way back to you?
[SPEAKER_05]: I have, it's embarrassing, but yes, I have.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but it's beautiful countryside.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it really is.
[SPEAKER_06]: It really is.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, Armin, I'm very, very impressed.
[SPEAKER_06]: I did not know that you guys hiked those lengths.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because this is, that is, I don't, I could, I probably, I mean, I probably could, but I, I doubt it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I, I don't think I could do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now if you compare, you can do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you prepared.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to train for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you have to take supplies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the first time I did it every time I walked into a town in England I went directly to the pharmacy
[SPEAKER_00]: to get something from my feet, but I've learned how to get around that, how to be prepared for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just a matter of knowing you can do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a performance.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you know you can do it, you can do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And being prepared for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's like rehearsal like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that kitty does this.
[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that kitty is like the most healthy person we know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what an incredible journey she's had in really just strengthening herself after everything she went through.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well everything she went through happened because she was strong because she was already very strong before she had to go through all those procedures and the doctors told her we couldn't do this if you weren't when they opened her up her physician said to me later, her physician said to me later.
[SPEAKER_00]: that I knew exactly where to cut because of the ripples on your stomach or so defined.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow,
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to get a further mailbox.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's why mines down hill.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and up hill.
[SPEAKER_00]: And going downhill, by the way, is much harder than going up.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it actually is.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Chase, are you still in LA?
[SPEAKER_06]: Where are you right now?
[SPEAKER_01]: I am in LA.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, so there you go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe you need a mailbox in San Francisco or something like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's what we're Santa Barbara, how's that?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's yeah, man.
[SPEAKER_06]: And be there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And be gonna work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll go somewhere next.
[SPEAKER_06]: Go to bed.
[SPEAKER_06]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just walk the promenade.
[SPEAKER_06]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_06]: A few circles of that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Robby, how about we start off with your poetry synopsis?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, I'll do a little poetry just to get us in the mood for this episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: Here is my poem for the episode Bar Association.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's Bejuring Cleansing, and Quarque's Empty is Can Be, with Union demands Quarque and Rome disagree.
[SPEAKER_05]: Worse unhappiness begins to spike.
[SPEAKER_05]: The Feringi brothers now have a new reparty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let it soak in.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let that art and poetry just.
[SPEAKER_01]: You should put that to music.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: You should sing it next time, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's what we need.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, Garrett, do you have a high coup?
[SPEAKER_06]: I do, I do.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, so here's my, here's my high coup for a bar association.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ram has ear problems.
[SPEAKER_06]: Quark faced with union problems.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ram finds a new job.
[SPEAKER_06]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I have to give a very theatrical reading of my height.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, yes, give a little.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, good.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Very nice.
[SPEAKER_05]: Orange.
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you have etymology for me?
[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a rather long etymology on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: The word bar is an incredible word.
[SPEAKER_00]: It has over 30 different meanings in the OED.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: As a noun, it has 28 meanings, it's a barrier or a counter over which a drink or food is served out to customers in an in hotel or tavern and sometimes it indicates the entire apartment building or area.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was first used in 1590.
[SPEAKER_00]: There, as a verb, there are, let's see, there are 12 different meanings of bar, including to close or obstruct a way of approach by some barrier, and that, and that first use of the, as a verb was in 1596.
[SPEAKER_00]: The word association is also, has a lot of definitions, it's from the old French.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the action of combining together for a common purpose, first used in 1535.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, that's bar association with bar as a noun and association as a noun, bar association, and immediately we think
[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine something to do with Corx Bar, Bar Association.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, it occurred to me last night just before I went to sleep, that if we think of Bar as a verb, it actually refers to the B-story.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's in the sense that Warf is moving to the defiant and is barring association.
[SPEAKER_00]: with the other people on the stage.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the things I teach when I teach Shakespeare is sometimes people confuse nouns with verbs.
[SPEAKER_00]: They see something that they normally think of as a noun and when Shakespeare's using it as a verb.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why the senses lost because they don't realize it's a verb.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that connection.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's very deep.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love the thing that I love that you bring into this podcast about language is how complicated and complex it is and we sometimes make assumptions off of a word then how we understand it but your intention is different or your understanding of that word is different and I find that in life it happens so often.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I remember this I'm rambling now, but I remember Marvin Rush said to me once when I was directing he said just so you know he said because I'd asked for something and then it wasn't what I asked for so I said Marvin I thought I had asked for this and he said oh I I misunderstood you he said just so you know when you're directing tell me once with one set of words tell me a second time with another set of words and a third time and then maybe I'll understand clearly
[SPEAKER_05]: because just saying something once, we assume that they're hearing what we think we're saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your intention is that you shouldn't, they've got your intention.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just like bar association, like there's an whole nother way to think about that, those words.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, the joy, the joy of studying language is the intricacies of the language, English is a very complicated language, and as in the word bar, there can be dozens of different
[SPEAKER_01]: It could even mean the for Rengie barring the workers from justice.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it's good.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love that apology.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you, Armen, for bringing out a apology to this podcast.
[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a, I have a, I have a Rick.
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_01]: I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm going to play.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it's me, but it
[SPEAKER_01]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: To get quark off his greedy soap box, Rom and Lita and team were in talks.
[SPEAKER_01]: To get justice and fair pay, but then without foreplay, Rom came up and asked me for Ulox.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm glad you included lead it in the Limerick because as I said earlier, there's an enough of lead it in this episode.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_06]: We are not re-gifting.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not a fruit cake.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is definitely something that we are keeping.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's nice to be told.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a fruit cake.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you don't have sense.
[SPEAKER_06]: The one thing that everyone re gifts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Good job.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did it.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Just so everyone knows we did not reach out to Chase and say, please come up with something for us.
[SPEAKER_06]: She just did this on her own.
[SPEAKER_06]: She took the initiative and she joined in and thank you so much for that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we're down with that.
[SPEAKER_06]: You are of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: This episode bar association story by Barbara J. Lee and Jennifer A. Lee and let me just talk about their pitch.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So when this story was originally pitched by the sisters, Barbara J. Lee and Jennifer A. Lee.
[SPEAKER_06]: The producer saw it as a possible B story for either the episode rejoined or the episode crossfire.
[SPEAKER_06]: However, after they began trying to insert it into an existing story, they realized that it was too rich of a subject to be sideline, so they decided to give it an episode of its own.
[SPEAKER_06]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_05]: in Barbara J. Lee and Jennifer A. Lee ever pitcher get a story sold again or is this there?
[SPEAKER_05]: They're only credit on the.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a very good question.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm curious.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Garrett is looking that up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I always assumed that they wrote this episode because they knew I sat on the union board of the Screen Actors Guild.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember many years later, and Sister Noah had had nothing to do with it.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's one of the quotes that somebody had mentioned saying that this is one of our most favorite episodes because of the fact that he sat on the board for Screen Actors Guild.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yet a yetto.
[SPEAKER_06]: So now we know it was had no correlation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Had no correlation whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as a board member, I had the privilege to lead a number of contract negotiations for the Guild.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm fully aware of what labor has to go through it, of negotiations.
[SPEAKER_00]: And although some of the things in the episode didn't occur to me while I was negotiating, some of them did, and it either had to happen to me or to a people around me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: and how wonderful this episode was written by two unknown writers to female writers back in the day when that didn't happen that often, and that it was during an era where, and this is probably being discussed before, where unknown writers could pitch and have their stories heard and even made, and it wasn't such a tight thing in the writers room where only a few people were allowed to get story-criting.
[SPEAKER_00]: To that, and I don't know about Voyager, but I certainly know it was true for Deep Space Nine, Star Trek.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's put it that with franchise.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the only organization in TV anyway that was accepting pitches from people that were not professional writers.
[SPEAKER_00]: and a number of people went on to great careers as an obvious writer who got something sold to deep space nine or to the next generation with the Voyager and they went on to great careers as writers including Ron Moore and Brandon Brauga.
[SPEAKER_01]: They came in on pitches.
[SPEAKER_06]: I do believe that that was probably one of the smartest outside of the box decisions ever made because yeah, creativity is everywhere.
[SPEAKER_06]: And just because someone isn't a professional writer does a mean that they don't have a great idea.
[SPEAKER_06]: So Star Trek was very smart in that regard.
[SPEAKER_06]: Robby I looked it up.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think I don't see any other credits for them for track and but I will say this is unique as far as as long as Robby and I have been doing this with all the void episodes and now up to season four of DS9 episodes We've never come across a sibling writing team
[SPEAKER_06]: with two brothers and brother and sister.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, this is the first time.
[SPEAKER_06]: Two sisters.
[SPEAKER_06]: The amazing.
[SPEAKER_06]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_05]: The other thing I would say about the outside pitches and how wonderful that was.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was rare, but the reason that that was able to happen was because Star Trek did so many episodes every season.
[SPEAKER_05]: When you're doing 24 or 26 episodes sometimes, you need that
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, those fresh ideas out there, yeah, whereas now, you know, the new star tracks they're doing eight episodes, like you don't have any room for outside pitches.
[SPEAKER_05]: You just need to keep it contained.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I do miss those shows that had long seasons where it kind of opened up creatively.
[SPEAKER_05]: to people having opportunities, it's rare now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's all money in the way.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and the short seasons don't allow for any, you know, it's a closed room.
[SPEAKER_05]: It has to be because you're doing so few episodes.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's got to be closed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if I may be political, it is time for the union to step in and change some of that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Armen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's appropriate for this episode.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we've got the story by the two sisters.
[SPEAKER_06]: Teleplay by Iris Steven Bear and Robert Hewitt Wolfe and directed by none other than Lavar Burton.
[SPEAKER_06]: Lavar Burton, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you guys remember Lavar directing this episode?
[SPEAKER_05]: Any memories of it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll let Chase go first because my memories are skimpy, but Chase only had more.
[SPEAKER_01]: have one memory.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean of course it was wonderful to be directed by Levar and he was really open to just talking and ideas.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this one memory was when
[SPEAKER_01]: This group of Buddhist monks came through on the set.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they were visiting for some reason, I don't know why, but Levar stopped everything and talked with them and greeted them and talked with them and was very just open and gracious.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it really struck me how lovely that was because, and I have no idea why they were there, but you know, TV is such a, a time game, of course,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, taking the time out to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I thought was both a confident move like I will catch up and I'm gonna be here now and Great these people what is M thing But I don't know I just remember that Wow, that's very yes time is always pushing it's it's chasing you on a on a TV set so for him to have the confidence to
[SPEAKER_05]: just breathe and take that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's great.
[SPEAKER_06]: Robin, do you use that verb chasing you on purpose because of Chase being, oh, no, that was pretty impressive.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was, thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: And ironically, or conversely, I remember the bar constantly saying to everybody on the set to the crew and to the actors.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd really like to be shooting this now.
[SPEAKER_00]: You said that over and over again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd really like to be shooting this now.
[SPEAKER_06]: That, and do you remember his hat, Armin?
[SPEAKER_06]: He had a hat that's at E racism on it, to a race of racism.
[SPEAKER_06]: He would always be a baseball cap, but that's so true.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'd like to be sure in this people, yeah, that was his little thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he, he, he, he's quite the gentleman, but he has quite the gentleman.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know what the original intent by Wolf and Bear were with this episode, but both,
[SPEAKER_00]: of our and I were on the same page about making it a little bit more serious, serious as the wrong world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Consequential, I think, is a better word.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then it just a funny for Rengue episode that that was meant to be more consequential, and that's what we came up with.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's, you, you name to me, any TV show that deals with
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, not comment, no, no.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I mean, that was the right take to less whimsy, more serious.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, and we see it, and I think it did just us for this episode for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I just want to say that it never occurred to me that this would be a comedic episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just because the Feranghi and Lita were go to sources of comedy or light
[SPEAKER_01]: deeply important subject for the majority of people on the Earth, really, and certainly the majority of people that live in this country, that it just never seemed like it was at all funny or light-hearted.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of the most important episodes I think of DS9, one of the most important subjects because it touches everyone's life and well-being.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is almost never covered.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just as on this level is very rarely approached until a vision or film.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's run through the guest stars, Max Greenenshick is wrong.
[SPEAKER_06]: Chase Masterson is leader, Jason Mars, then as Grimp, Emilio Barrelli, as Frouh and Jeffrey Combs, as Brunt, Armin is every single forenghi first name, one syllable.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty much part.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I can't remember any that are too shilable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm glad, well, one of the episodes he doesn't get credited as a guest star, but he was my stand, and I've talked about him several times.
[SPEAKER_00]: He actually gets mentioned in this beach and David Levinson, whose character's name is Broke.
[SPEAKER_05]: mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you call them out.
[SPEAKER_05]: He doesn't eat as many lines in this one, but you call them out.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is good to keep that.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: A little bit of trivia.
[SPEAKER_06]: When the producers saw the on-screen chemistry between actors Max Griddenschick and Chase Masterson, they decided to make them a couple in the future.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's kind of this episode that kind of push that a little bit and they like that and they wanted to have more of that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Does that imply that they weren't intending this episode to be the beginnings of a romance?
[SPEAKER_05]: They just intended it to be
[SPEAKER_05]: coworkers and you guys brought chemistry.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was hard to tell, except for that one scene in the end, and I know I'm jumping here, but where I kiss him on the head, and I compare him to Julian.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I tell Ram, he's almost as brave as you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's clear that lead is completely enamored
[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't help it, who could help it?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, being paired up with Rom or Max Friedenshake has got to be the biggest honor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, I couldn't help it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I adore him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm bringing it off.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: But do you recall any conversations with writers saying like, oh, hey, this is really, I mean, was there, are they trying to just want, you know, encourage that?
[SPEAKER_05]: Or was that you guys bringing it, I guess, is my question.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I may have told this in a last episode that I did with you guys, but I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there was a time I'm not sure in what season where Ira brought Max aside, and he's come on, let's talk son, and he said, we're going to give Ram Lida and Max said, Oh, thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then I went on and it's because Dr. Bashir is so popular with the ladies that we we want to keep him single and Max said, Thank you and so it was very much that it was a strategic thing on more than one level, but I'm not sure when that started.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, interesting.
[SPEAKER_06]: Good good ramen personation, by the way.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, thank you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, really good.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: uh... all right i'm so rock often does not appear in this episode again i know it's up
[SPEAKER_06]: It's over and over again.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's not getting any residuals.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's getting his pay for his getting an education.
[SPEAKER_06]: He is.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_06]: He was going to school.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Good friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: But still, we'd love to see him.
[SPEAKER_06]: We miss him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's so lovely.
[SPEAKER_06]: He knows.
[SPEAKER_06]: He is.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Robbie, let's jump in.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, we start off on the bridge of the defiant.
[SPEAKER_05]: The defiant is docking back at the station.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're returning from the Gamma Quadrant.
[SPEAKER_05]: comments that you know he's very concerned about the defined it needs some maintenance maybe it's just not performing quite right.
[SPEAKER_05]: DAX accuses him of being in love with his ship.
[SPEAKER_05]: Warf is very thrown, it's very defensive.
[SPEAKER_05]: you exaggerate as usual.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so, so they're starting to play this warfindax romance again, so we're seeing a little tracking of that for giving me for being critical.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if I were the bar, I would have asked Michael Dorn to be more in love with defiant in this scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, I would have liked to have seen that and hindsight is, you know, 100%.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I would have liked to have seen him really utilizing the defined thinking about how can we make a better, she's just great, great ship.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, those lines are there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that we understand more of why he decides to set up his quarters inside the defined.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he was certainly being defiant.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we see, you know, we were just talking about the relationship between leader and rom.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have we've already seen some inklings of the relationship between warfare and DAX, which will come to fruition.
[SPEAKER_06]: But Armin, you're right, because when Dax has that line, Mr. Warf, you're in love with a defiant.
[SPEAKER_06]: It didn't land as well.
[SPEAKER_06]: And if he, if Lavar had directed, if he directed exactly what you said to Michael saying, hey, make it so that in your lines that you love that to find, but also physicality and blocking.
[SPEAKER_06]: the hand could have been touching the bulkhead in a certain way.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, there's little, little, little tiny little things that you could have been added that would have been very subtle that would have made that line land a little more.
[SPEAKER_06]: So that was a very insightful comment.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you, Armour.
[SPEAKER_00]: But to put myself in the varshoes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's difficult enough to come on to a sister's show and direct because all the actors, all the crew know who you are, many of them, and worked with him on next generation for years.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But to come in on another show, where dear friend of yours, Michael Dorn, is...
[SPEAKER_00]: to tell him how to act his character after your Michael has been doing that character for X amount of years uh uh would have been a difficult situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you say Robby as a director, yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh man, I didn't even think about the politics involved there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're what what who was your equal on a prior job is now helping the episode and it is difficult to say, hey, yeah, I guess, you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, would you approach that Robbie just out of curiosity if that was something that you were needing to do the diplomacy of that?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard other directors say this type of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So how would that go?
[SPEAKER_05]: I usually try to, um, I hate to sound so passive or aggressive, but often or manipulative.
[SPEAKER_05]: But often I'll ask a question and I'll say, you know, at the end of the episode, Michael,
[SPEAKER_05]: It feels like that's a real payoff for something, is there a way that we could kind of set that up in this scene and just ask the question rather than telling him how to do that.
[SPEAKER_05]: But just make that connection, you know, is there a way I'm trying to think of a way to really support that payoff in the end?
[SPEAKER_05]: And what do you think?
[SPEAKER_05]: And that way, it's kind of diminishes what you're talking about, Armin, which is, I'm going to tell you how to play your character.
[SPEAKER_05]: and the script, and it gives the actor some authority over those choices rather than saying, you know, yeah, that's so wise and diplomatic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you do have marching orders in the tone meeting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're told by the producers, writers, we want this quality in this scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And who's to say that Lavar was given that thought, again, hindsight is incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: So who's to say that that was part of the tone meeting?
[SPEAKER_05]: And this seemed to me was problematic in a way because, in hindsight, it's problematic, because they're trying to track his love for Daqs that's developing.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the very end of the scene when she says, Mr. Warf, you're in love.
[SPEAKER_05]: And he, he cut to him for a moment.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wait, do you know I'm in love with you when he's playing?
[SPEAKER_05]: And then she goes with the defiant.
[SPEAKER_05]: So was this seen about their relationship or was it about setting up his feeling for the defined itself that pay off later on?
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was a little, it was trying to do kind of conflicting things in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_06]: to your response to Chase's question about how you deal with that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that's smart because when you ask that question, you're almost guiding them towards answering it themselves, the way that you kind of want them to.
[SPEAKER_06]: So then they feel like they've accomplished something like, oh, I have power here.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not being, I'm not just a lackey.
[SPEAKER_06]: I came up with this answer to, it's a collaboration and I'll do it.
[SPEAKER_06]: So a lot of times ego is involved so that you have to get around that.
[SPEAKER_05]: So to me, there's really the top two ways
[SPEAKER_05]: working with actors are either to use a verb, keep it simple, just use a verb, hey can we can we try this more seductive?
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's do a pass that's more seductive.
[SPEAKER_05]: Give a verb.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_05]: Something that's very active and don't explain why don't get into all the, still get into that, let the actor
[SPEAKER_05]: figure that out?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, seductive is not of a verb, it's you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can we seduce?
[SPEAKER_05]: Can we seduce?
[SPEAKER_05]: We, yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was requesting.
[SPEAKER_05]: We can use this in real life, like honey, I wonder how we can get rid of his trash.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's the pass of aggressive part of talking.
[SPEAKER_05]: It can be, but you have to word the questions sincerely.
[SPEAKER_05]: Either a verb or a question.
[SPEAKER_05]: To me, those are the best ways to direct.
[SPEAKER_05]: Everything else starts unpacking opinions.
[SPEAKER_05]: And judgments.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I don't want to ever judge a character, whether it's a good hero or a villain.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to judge the villains.
[SPEAKER_05]: The villains are doing what they think is the right thing to do.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I don't want to pass judgment or opinions about it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I just want to give a verb or ask a question for the actor.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that'll those things to mirror the simplest ways to get an adjustment and a result.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Without getting, you know, other people's work.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'll put this out there as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some actors like myself would love to get direction.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just be told just do it this way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm so excited.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let me know.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes that's the easiest way.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hey guys, this just isn't working.
[SPEAKER_05]: The pace of it isn't working, which is going to go faster.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And when you get to this like be specific.
[SPEAKER_05]: And when we get to this line, let's stop, give it three, five, three or four seconds, so the laugh lands, and then move on.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now, this is the turn in the scene.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like sometimes we need to have every bit of cool explanation.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, being an agreement on how this scene is
[SPEAKER_05]: is structured and kind of built the mechanics of it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's a fair question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and faster.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, sometimes just faster is almost always better.
[SPEAKER_05]: All right, so we leave the divine out.
[SPEAKER_05]: We go over the quarks.
[SPEAKER_05]: Leeda is there.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was so happy to leave.
[SPEAKER_05]: I put exclamation exclamation.
[SPEAKER_05]: Leeda, yay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, she drops a piece of Latin among the floor.
[SPEAKER_05]: What are you thinking, Artman?
[SPEAKER_05]: Well,
[SPEAKER_00]: I loved your dropping and I loved your picking it up and I love the shot of the camera coming up on Miles Bryan and Bashir.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm thinking this cleansing festival has been going on for a while and you've got a tray of Latin them there where did that come from?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like you're doing it, you know, box office business and we're doing and a lot of Latin and Miss being exchanged here, if no one's in the bar, there are some people in the bar, or some creatures anyway in the bar, none of them are Jordan.
[SPEAKER_00]: then I would understand it, but if the business is that bad, where did you get that tray of Latin I didn't think of that exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was more slightly distracted by the way the shot was set up.
[SPEAKER_05]: There was a piece of Latin and preset on the floor.
[SPEAKER_05]: to me, and you have to do it beautifully, but they have the piece of Latin and pre-set so that as you turn, and they put a sound effect in of something falling, it would take them to the feet.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's the shot that Lovar wanted, but I saw that that technique to me felt a little transparent.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was like, oh, that piece of Latin them was already there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's the timing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bar, a piece of Latin among the floors, like a $100 bill on the floor.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be there for very long.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think I had just dropped it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Finding an excuse for the reveal of these outfits.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess that was...
[SPEAKER_05]: Or it could have been any kind of problem.
[SPEAKER_05]: You could have been picking up some napkins and then napkins fell over and you went to pick up and it could have been something less valuable.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's too to armament.
[SPEAKER_01]: And more likely.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: But we do see them in these vak, the Irish and Viking outfits.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're playing Irish only.
[SPEAKER_06]: Irish only.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, they're Irish.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're Irish.
[SPEAKER_05]: But they look sort of Viking like that era.
[SPEAKER_05]: The old.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, I'm the frankly it was that they've reminded me of the wardrobe from the Viking episode We had Where the bail-well fats and shoes may have been.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, probably recycled from the same spot.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was yeah, agreed.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, agreed Yeah, lead a flirts with the Bashir here a little bit gives him a kiss Which I guess was supposed to show us that they're dating, but I didn't get that yet I didn't pick that up
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was to signify that we were together, but it was one of the very few clues.
[SPEAKER_06]: I picked it up from just your line when you said, okay, he says, I feel silly.
[SPEAKER_06]: You say, I like it.
[SPEAKER_06]: It shows off your legs.
[SPEAKER_06]: It shows off your legs to me.
[SPEAKER_06]: There are a couple.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're dating.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, you just don't say that that often, I think, in general passing with someone you're just acquaintance with, you know, not on Star Trek, yeah, yeah, but it was one of the very few clues that we were ever together, even before we broke up.
[SPEAKER_05]: It went over my head that moment, honestly.
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought Leeda was just flirting with him and that they were at the same place we had left them the last time we saw them, which was,
[SPEAKER_05]: flirting, you know, he was interested, she was interested, but it didn't, it didn't, it didn't say to me that their relationship had developed into something more formal, it just, okay, I thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they could have, which would have played up the jealousy, particularly with Dax, and then, or, you know, that kind of thing that she was starting to feel in that first episode and explore.
[SPEAKER_01]: and then maybe her change of, well, maybe now she's interested in war.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's just how life goes and people experiencing all sorts of feelings at the same time that can be confusing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, we do have the kiss and then we learn that Bashir wants to be the king as they walk up to the holiday deck.
[SPEAKER_05]: Why do you get to be?
[SPEAKER_05]: to be King.
[SPEAKER_05]: And O'Brien does mention his family history that he's a direct descendant of King Brian Baroo.
[SPEAKER_05]: So he's bringing up his family line which is going to come back later on.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, he does claim to be descended from Irish King Brian Baroo.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is largely correct because the Irish surname of O'Brien literally means descendant of Brian Baroo.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's what it means.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: So Miles talks about the Battle of Kluntarf being the Irish versus the Vikings.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I literally, because I'm a huge history person like Robbie, I went down the rabbit hole.
[SPEAKER_06]: Battle of Kluntarf.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was
[SPEAKER_06]: Actually, it was the Irishmen of Munster, which is where Brian Baru was part of that, versus the Vikings of Dublin and the Irish of Lennster that were allied together.
[SPEAKER_06]: So there were Irishmen fighting other Irishmen in this one, with that were allied with the Vikings, basically.
[SPEAKER_06]: So that is, that is pretty awesome that O'Brien means descendant of Brian Baru.
[SPEAKER_06]: The other phrase you think is, this battle was so bloody.
[SPEAKER_06]: It started in the morning.
[SPEAKER_06]: and ended at, it started its sunrise and ended its sundown.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we're talking about just 12 hours of straight fighting.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it was like 7,000 versus 6,000 or something like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the losses were incredible.
[SPEAKER_06]: It just absolutely decimated 90% of each army was, you know,
[SPEAKER_06]: I would say 95% of the Viking force allied with the Irish were destroyed, whereas 80% of the Brian Baru's forces were destroyed, including Brian Baru himself, he was killed, his son, heir to his throne, he was killed, his grandson, so his son, son, was also killed.
[SPEAKER_06]: Romney.
[SPEAKER_06]: Obviously, that son son had a son that didn't fight.
[SPEAKER_06]: That wasn't in that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: He was at home.
[SPEAKER_05]: Good.
[SPEAKER_05]: The lesson here is don't go fighting from son rise to son set.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Don't do that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't fight from.
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't even fight.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_06]: Just negotiate.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, the next thing that happens in the scene is, uh, we see that Quark is very depressed, very grumpy.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's zero business going on in here and we learn it's the bajor and time of cleansing, which is a month, I think, you say.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a month.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is a long stretch with no buddy drinking and eating.
[SPEAKER_05]: But not nobody, just pejorans, not all the pejorans are not, but it's pretty, pretty quiet.
[SPEAKER_05]: Rom's got his earache here.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's trying movies home remedy, which looks like Alcasselter and a test tube or something.
[SPEAKER_06]: What is the equivalent of a time of cleansing in modern religion?
[SPEAKER_06]: Is in there some type of... Lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent, lent
[SPEAKER_00]: but also there's obviously all of the Jewish high holiday days they're you know fasting and that type of cleansing focus yeah I'm not sure it's cleansing and it's only uh it can only be for a couple of days so it's not a month but length is 40 days so what a month a couple of days yom kippur is um yom kippur is only one day one day right is that what you're referring to then
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is a wake-up of reflection from Rosh Hashanah to Yunkipurs, but so that's eight days, but that's only Yunkipur that's a fasting day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, we learn the things are super quiet.
[SPEAKER_05]: We learn that Chrome has an earache, and he's going to try Alcasselzer and his ear.
[SPEAKER_05]: Which I was thinking about making up in the mess of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's why he's turned into a sign.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it was all down the side of his face.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's why I'm mopping it off.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: I played it away from camera.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank God.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I always think if there was a tube in there that let's do it again.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like a drainage system we should build out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just, okay, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it doesn't work.
[SPEAKER_05]: Leaders very concerned quarks very mad.
[SPEAKER_05]: We see arombs POV in this scene, which I thought was kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's kind of slowmo, weird stuff going on.
[SPEAKER_05]: Eventually quark wants him to go back to work.
[SPEAKER_05]: He shoves a tray at him or something, but he falls over.
[SPEAKER_05]: and uh... cork has no sympathy you're just your you're not very sympathetic to his well kids he says he's gonna dock his pay yeah that's the only he says yeah to defend to defend my alter ego he's had a bad month or at least a couple of weeks you know it's a very good excuse actually and and you've seen that you've probably seen uh... rom go through this era problem before right
[SPEAKER_00]: And he knows what the area is from.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a line that the surface is low.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yes, there is.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's later though.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not in this scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but, but, yes, you know, and I have a conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because character says, again, I think that's one of my lines.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That might be an excuse.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the excuse is he hasn't, he's been losing money and, you know, he has to, he may not, he may not pay the federation money, but he is paying some salary, otherwise you wouldn't be there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, he's paying everybody.
[SPEAKER_05]: And he's got the supplies and all kinds of things.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm in team for myself.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm still team quarterback.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it's it was a running thing and again part of the tone meeting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why we needed to have more in there because all of this is happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Moreness sitting there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's not allowed to speak.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I've thought really why have him there?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's the point of having more and there if we all of this has happened and he doesn't say a word, or it now it could be there were a number of episodes in the original white pages were more and actually did have language, um, and it may be that it got cut out in the blue pages and the golden run pages, so it's possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then it became a device, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Then it became that he was always a device from the beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: David Livingston loved Mark Shepherd's makeup as more.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he began to put him in every shot that he David was directing in bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it became a thing, yeah, it became a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But here it was like really he's sitting right there is in the foreground.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're literally talking between the two of you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And not not saying anything come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's he's known wrong as long as it's been on the station.
[SPEAKER_06]: So really Well, maybe he could have been animated in terms of his physicality like it's going on.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe that would have helped.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or he's starting to say something.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then it stops.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but to your to your point, Armin, when you said that there is an excuse.
[SPEAKER_06]: We've had no business blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, later in the episode, we find out you don't pay rent.
[SPEAKER_06]: You don't pay power.
[SPEAKER_06]: You don't pay any of the, oh, we never do any business person.
[SPEAKER_06]: We didn't know that.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I kept thinking, wow, how bad could this cleansing be when you're so far ahead from not paying any of those costs?
[SPEAKER_06]: You still have to pay for inventory.
[SPEAKER_00]: You still have to pay for inventory.
[SPEAKER_00]: You still have to pay for wages.
[SPEAKER_00]: You still have to, there are other things, you know, have to be done.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is the conflict between socialism and capitalism.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Federation is a socialistic society and the Ferrangi or a capitalistic society.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there are still things that have to be paid for.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those people coming in, bringing supplies, bringing liquor, bringing whatever else that supplies the bar, all of those things have to be paid for.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I just say though, if everyone were to react in that way, it would be just a terrible world.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we as actors have to pay things even when we're not getting paid.
[SPEAKER_01]: We still pay mortgages and expenses for our lives.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can't just go being in a horrible mood and treating everybody horribly because this is a bad month.
[SPEAKER_01]: We know that this is okay, that it's a bad month because there will also be good months and because there were good months.
[SPEAKER_00]: with all due respect to that chase uh... sit on some of the union negotiations uh... uh... i mean it just doesn't excuse people from being awful no understood it's it's it's it's it's again it's that yes it doesn't excuse people from being awful but it is the difference between capitalism socialism incites people to make more money that's the point of capitalism
[SPEAKER_00]: And the forend gear are steeped in this.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what they, if they don't make a profit, they look bad, not only to themselves, but everybody else who's keeping tabs of what they're doing, which obviously the brunt and the others should do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we're in the infirmary, Bashir is trying to get rid of this infection, which is very far along.
[SPEAKER_06]: To the point that it's been a couple of weeks.
[SPEAKER_06]: If if Ram had waited longer, there's a good chance he may not have even made it to the infirmary.
[SPEAKER_06]: But it does.
[SPEAKER_06]: The Morgan would have been his destination.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, as he's working through that, it's Bashir who sort of brings up this
[SPEAKER_06]: which Rom obviously had never ever thought that this could be something that he could ever do until Bashir starts talking about, you know, you need something to keep your, you guys from being exploited and really that sparks the fire, that's the spark.
[SPEAKER_05]: He talks about Rom reveals that they get no sick days, no vacation, no overtime, so it's all kind of driven by whatever management says and even
[SPEAKER_05]: Because no, our goal isn't to beat management.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's to be management.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like we want to be the exploiters or something.
[SPEAKER_06]: The labor contract is a standard contract that all for a fringy employees will sign.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's normal.
[SPEAKER_06]: The norm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Considering that he almost just died, can you imagine if he died from too much in Knox?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like how did he pass well, excessive in Knox?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, we would have burned his body immediately.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not good, and I don't know if it's for where I ain't no.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Rom almost just died, and is still defending the rights of the Feringi to screw each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's like pretty deep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's the culture.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the culture.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is the culture.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not the rights.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, forgive me, just, I mean, an analogist.
[SPEAKER_00]: The word is the culture, because...
[SPEAKER_00]: there is no right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's what they're steeped in.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the culture that they that there's religion.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's their culture.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's their obligation.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're obligation.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is their tradition.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Since the dawn of time, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're identity.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're identity, yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Good way of explaining.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we go to quarks again.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, there's a work meeting going on.
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, Lita says Lita says the quarks should have let Ram go see Dr. Bashir because he's super dreamy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Again, I guess this is suggesting that they're dating, but I didn't get it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't get it till late in the episode that that is what they were suggesting.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was it was a bit vague like yeah, it was vague.
[SPEAKER_06]: I got it though for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it didn't It just wasn't an intensely they didn't take advantage of all they could have.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes agreed.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah From does reveal that he might have gotten this ear infection from too much umox And which is ear action for those listening that don't remember I just want to make sure you understand it's
[SPEAKER_05]: It's the frame here.
[SPEAKER_00]: The sexual organs are somehow related to their ears, but just put it down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the stimulation of these things, right, lead to ask who the lucky girl is.
[SPEAKER_05]: Ram says, oh, just me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Super awkward moment.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like I had to pause it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Can I read?
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, Robbie, here we go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Roms, reluctant confession of self-administering Oomax is the first illusion to masturbation in any species in all of Star Trek.
[SPEAKER_06]: And this is, I know it's kind of embarrassing whatever, but this is one of the reasons why I love Deep Space Nine is because
[SPEAKER_06]: they talk about real issues, you know, they really do more so than any other track.
[SPEAKER_06]: We never, we've avoided, we never dared go in that direction, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_06]: And again, again, DS9 has avoided a thing because Berman and all the eyes are on our show so that I reckon do whatever the hell we wanted, which was wonderful.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in typical for Indy fashion, there's no stigma to the need and greed for Omox.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just when Lita says, you know, when he says that there was no girl just him and Lita says, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, sorry enough to do something about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he just says it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, hey, you want to, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who would say that in real life in the middle of a bar?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no shame, no shame.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I would say what you read, Garrett, he said, his reluctant confession.
[SPEAKER_05]: He wasn't reluctant.
[SPEAKER_05]: He was happy to share and no shame at all, which I thought was very healthy and surprising, honestly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rinky are often asking for their ears to be rubbed in, you know, or making it's a joke that's right out there on the open.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's absolutely no stigma.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, in little green men, you remember that with the, they had the female, a human doctor like rubbing their ears and then I was just
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No shame at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not puritanical.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're not exact.
[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, Quarca arrives in the middle of this conversation about Umox.
[SPEAKER_05]: He again says business stinks.
[SPEAKER_05]: So he decides everyone is going to get a pay cut.
[SPEAKER_05]: And Ram is very upset about this.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is not fair.
[SPEAKER_05]: Quarca's pretty pretty harsh about all this says he's just an employee.
[SPEAKER_05]: And he does say in this scene that he wishes he was an only child.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's pretty ugly.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was ugly.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other stuff I can get behind, but that's pretty ugly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if I may compliment Levar, there's at the beginning of this seat.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a beautiful shot of Ron leaving the infirmary, crossing the promenade, walking into the bar, and seeing a group there standing there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love that shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just wow, I don't think anyone ever did that, but hmm, well, we'll do it again for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was very, very nice.
[SPEAKER_06]: Good observation.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_05]: We do jump out to the quarter with Dax and War for a minute.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're in their, uh, their workout clothes, which was like the Yin and Yang.
[SPEAKER_05]: Did you notice their, their clothes?
[SPEAKER_05]: She had a white stripe going this way.
[SPEAKER_05]: He had his going that way.
[SPEAKER_05]: So together, they would sort of,
[SPEAKER_02]: make it hard.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, or something.
[SPEAKER_05]: I just thought that was an interesting, like, why are they going different directions?
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, because they, they would fit together.
[SPEAKER_05]: I see very martial arts looking.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, the way.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Very, I don't know, last air bender wardrobe looking to me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they were wearing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the great observation.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, Dex is starting to feel good with the Mech clef, the very small weapon.
[SPEAKER_05]: Warf is very stingy with praise.
[SPEAKER_05]: He doesn't want to give her compliments because, you know, a clean-on warrior doesn't need the praise of his teacher.
[SPEAKER_05]: He says, that's his excuse.
[SPEAKER_05]: But they're sort of flirting with each other.
[SPEAKER_05]: Can feel that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Warf, here's a noise.
[SPEAKER_05]: Up in the ceiling, hits a panel with his batlet, and out falls a thief.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a ground with some a bunch of small items, including his tooth sharpener, which we saw.
[SPEAKER_05]: He really loved that tooth sharpener in an earlier episode.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, yeah, that's what made him grow.
[SPEAKER_06]: We realized that that last shot on Michael Dornner, and he didn't grow, but we had a great image of his teeth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can see how sharp they were if they needed an update.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they needed some sharpening I think yeah my little my little critique on this scene is okay when you hear a funny noise All right, I take I didn't like the fact that they both got into like attack mode with their weapons it's like it's
[SPEAKER_06]: It's just a noise.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_06]: I would have loved for them to, because like, what are you going to do?
[SPEAKER_06]: You're going to chop something, I'm like, come on, just your holding the weapons.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're not on in a way, mission.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're literally walking down the corridor.
[SPEAKER_06]: It'd just be like, you walking to your bathroom and hearing some little creek.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're not going to be like, ugh.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, we got, you know, it's it to me they should have walked with there's the mechlet and the bat looked down by their sides and as they as the as Warf is hearing the noise he just pokes and then the guy falls out.
[SPEAKER_06]: It doesn't have to be like defensive posture We're being invaded by Kardashians.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not happening, you know, so that was weird direction what they were doing there.
[SPEAKER_06]: I did I have a false threat Yeah, it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I just agree with a bar in that
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, we go to the security office.
[SPEAKER_05]: Worf throws this thief on to Odo's desk at the opening shot.
[SPEAKER_05]: Odo sends him off to a holding cell.
[SPEAKER_05]: Worf says, this never happened on the enterprise.
[SPEAKER_05]: Basically saying, enterprise was so much better.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love Odo's Renee smile when he sets that.
[SPEAKER_05]: When Worf goes, this never happened to see Odo's, that's a serenegle.
[SPEAKER_05]: because he already knew, he already knew all this had the evidence.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I think it's more than that, but I agree with you absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think this is a slightly more than that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think all of us on Deep Space Nine were slightly lifted.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: devotion to generation and I think if he could puncture that bubble just a little, I think that's what Renee was smiling about.
[SPEAKER_06]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_06]: So there's more going on there.
[SPEAKER_06]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there for your little darlings.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: He was exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: We still persist frankly.
[SPEAKER_06]: It does, it's still there, but it's like, hey, but there's nothing that we can do about it.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's just the way it's just what show was filmed before what other show is, but well, here's what, oh, there's about it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it goes down a list of all these times things happen on the enterprise that are just like what's happening here.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's the same, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: No better.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're no better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are not the glory days.
[SPEAKER_05]: and warf conceits, you know, yes, of your right.
[SPEAKER_05]: And warf eventually just says, it just makes me mad, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: What's the name of that alien is it doptian is that what that alien was that the steel alien really okay Well that's the same alien that stole Major bear it's Laksana Troy Laksana Troy's hair breep hair Bro sure whatever the anything or broch on her on her clothes.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're thieves They're thieves why are they even allowed on the station?
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean this is come on guys.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean this is a stereo type though
[SPEAKER_06]: But they are not all thieves, maybe not all alone.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, well, maybe it's the same thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's all we've seen.
[SPEAKER_06]: See you over and over again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just one.
[SPEAKER_06]: We need to see if we're a doptian.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we need a nice stop.
[SPEAKER_06]: Doptian.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sure there are.
[SPEAKER_00]: And speaking of stereotypes, thank you for bringing that up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And not all for rank here are the same either.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what this episode is partially about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not all dobbled girls either, not all anybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not all the genres, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Good point.
[SPEAKER_05]: Very star trekky point.
[SPEAKER_05]: We go to Romskorders next.
[SPEAKER_05]: Quarks got all the employees gathered together.
[SPEAKER_05]: Basically this scene is where he forms a union.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I said to myself, who's Grim?
[SPEAKER_05]: Suddenly there's these pharyngey talking all over the place.
[SPEAKER_05]: That supposedly work there that we've never met.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish I would never meet again.
[SPEAKER_05]: I know.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: that that what always bumps me on Star Trek that suddenly people appear that are supposedly on our ship or our station or our bar and they have a lot of lines and then I wish we'd see them before or after.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, our arm and ears.
[SPEAKER_06]: So my question to you is why on God's green earth did they not just use David Levinson as broke in the scene and not gripper for you know just use some
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the prejudice, and it is that, and I may be wrong, so everyone, you know, I wrote it, and writing staff, Berman, and everybody else forgive me for saying this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they, they, they pigeonholeed the background, especially the standings, as background, and God forbid that they should get any bumps.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, they got over that.
[SPEAKER_00]: David and others did get lines at the end of the run.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank goodness.
[SPEAKER_00]: Seven seasons, they did get some lines.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think they're being quarkier if you give them one word that is scripted.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to raise their salary exponentially, exponentially.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's why I think it's a matter of finances that they just now they had to pay somebody they have to pay the two actors that spoke exactly and and it would have made a lot more sense for David as Brooke to set those lines and there were some other of Feringi actors who were background usual of Feringi background they could have spoke
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that would have been a better choice because as much as I appreciate what the two actors who are playing the two speaking roles as Ferengi, if we'd given David or someone else someone who was steeped in deep space in the lens culture, I think we would have gotten slightly different performances.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think these guys were just said, these are what the Ferengi are on TNG, take a look at it, that's how you should play it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we had already matriculated out of that stereotype, both not only for me as Quark, but also to some extent, for Max, for, you know, that we were not just one dimensional characters.
[SPEAKER_00]: And these guys, I'm sure they were doing their very, very best, and I'm sure Lavar gave them what they had to do, but this slightly one-dimensional and sort of, their IQ is sort of like around room temperature.
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah, they weren't part of the gang already.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a total aside, but that's how I got my sag card.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was in a basic non-special extra position and I said to the director, hey, could I have a line because I hear if I have a line I could get my sag card and I hear that's a good thing to have.
[SPEAKER_06]: You said that for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was young.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was in Texas.
[SPEAKER_01]: I knew nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was a theater actor.
[SPEAKER_01]: I knew nothing about film and TV.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said that and they gave me a line.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how I got my card.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, the lesson there is, if you don't speak up, hey, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you never, you'll never know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, for Engie's, what's speak up to you?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, good for you.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I just had a problem with the two actors playing the fringy from, from next generation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they were playing old fringy.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they were playing a dated fringy.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's what it was.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I heard it too.
[SPEAKER_06]: I heard it in their addiction.
[SPEAKER_06]: I heard it in their, their cadence, everything, I was like, wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_06]: That doesn't sound,
[SPEAKER_06]: like it's on the same page.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, agreed.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, Ram decides to form a union, the idea the Bashir gave him, and sick day.
[SPEAKER_05]: He suggests forming a union, and the freeing your shock.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Grimp and Fruld say this is blasphemous that the fringy commerce authority will hear about this.
[SPEAKER_05]: They'll find out and Rom says, basically, look, they're going to find out any way.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're going to find out what's going on here.
[SPEAKER_05]: So why not embrace it?
[SPEAKER_05]: This is an opportunity for us to actually make money.
[SPEAKER_05]: He kind of takes the fringy culture.
[SPEAKER_05]: and puts it from the union perspective, and it actually makes a lot of sense.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: For an guisean opportunity, what do you do?
[SPEAKER_05]: You try to make some money, and we can make money with this union idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things that causes that is he rubbed shoulders with the human.
[SPEAKER_00]: This idea would never have occurred to a friend of you if they all lived on the Rangan arm.
[SPEAKER_00]: On the planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the inter-mixing of cultures, that makes for a more enlightened individual.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is the beauty of cultures mixing together.
[SPEAKER_00]: You learn from each other.
[SPEAKER_05]: Great point, Arman.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you for pointing that out.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a great point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well,
[SPEAKER_05]: The union thing comes up, they kind of debate it, but Lita starts this group chant, they start chanting, union, union.
[SPEAKER_06]: Before she chants that, when Rama is sort of getting them all riled up, that the pacing of the, and the way those lines are written, I thought he was going to go into this rap almost, when he's like, strike a blow against quirk, strike a blow against the FCA, strike a blow against the FCA, I just expected it to turn into like a chant.
[SPEAKER_05]: What does sound like that's very striking groups do?
[SPEAKER_05]: you know group chants and group cheers and you want to get that back and forth with the leader calling response kind of thing that is a classic union move yes go to any any strike and see the line of strikers that is exactly what's happened calling response.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it gets people riled up, gets the people going by riled up.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it's loud enough, it can rile up the management because they have to listen to this through their windows.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's absolutely a labor tactic.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh yeah, yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just feel like I felt like it was about to turn into a musical as well.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was like, this could be a musical right now.
[SPEAKER_06]: This scene.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_06]: I go in fun, Chase.
[SPEAKER_01]: When words aren't enough, and you have to sing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And interestingly, during every single strike that I've seen in recent history in the last couple of decades in LA, that
[SPEAKER_01]: DS9 has been involved and has been like a meme.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you can see this.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now you can put it in front of your body.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, here we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a graphic that someone made and it's a wonderful artist.
[SPEAKER_01]: I should be telling you who right now
[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of which, but it says the boss needs you.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't need them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Labor is entitled to all it creates.
[SPEAKER_01]: And apparently this was also a meme in 1938.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a strike and there was also this was also the type of thing that was used to ratly.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, consolidate the voices that were necessary to rise up against capitalism or to well to rise up against the bosses, the unfair laborers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I want to say something tangential, but slightly different to that, which is, I would have loved for you to have said something during this scene more.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have liked for it to hear your point of view.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jesus.
[SPEAKER_00]: Point of view.
[SPEAKER_00]: And not just have a male explaining to us what the problem was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you because there are a whole additional set of issues that females are subject to.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not just the money and the hours, it's the heal.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the sexualization of
[SPEAKER_01]: workers, waitresses, dog ogrels, the fact that that is expected to be part of the job, which lead to didn't subscribe to, but still the fact that there is that type of pressure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that's certainly an aspect of this that wasn't addressed.
[SPEAKER_05]: I did feel like your performance, Chase, to Arman's point.
[SPEAKER_05]: even though they didn't give you lines to, you know, take a leadership role in this moment because Rome's kind of leading it.
[SPEAKER_05]: But you were, your performance, you were leading that cheer with energy in a way that I, I put you and Rome is almost equal leaders in that moment.
[SPEAKER_05]: And in my experience of that scene, I thought you were great, your energy was great.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_06]: And if not later, be captain in number one, like this, where I just just right there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so your energy was your energy was awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I meant.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you got to give it your all, whether the camera finds that or not, it's another thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is so radically different for Ron and God bless the writers, for saying,
[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't really seen this out of max credentials, is he capable, really they have to think this?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is he capable of doing this?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they gave him a great opportunity to show what he could do, and he was a home run for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: God bless them for trusting him and God bless max credentials for showing them, yeah, I can do this and more.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the range of sensitivity and strength that he has is wrong, and this is such a beautiful showcase for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He always has it in every episode, the depth and the fun and the humor and the reality and the sensitivity I'll go back to.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's amazing, isn't he?
[SPEAKER_06]: his voice quality almost changes in this episode there's it's just almost like he's He's transforming in front of our very eyes, but then there's still little glimpses of old for him like where after he gets kissed he goes back to that little glimpses, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It is it's a it's a fine line that he walked and he was and it's a tribute to his ability that he could do both.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It really is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Ron is a free thinker.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the fact that he was doing all this umox during what was actually this bajoron cleansing ritual when they were allowing themselves to prologue her and he's like, well, make up for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, just it just occurred to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is the bajoron cleansing ritual and you should not have kissed this year.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, well, I clearly wasn't allowed to take part in that anyway, because I was a worker working girl right well, you know, okay, maybe maybe not yeah it's interesting I thought the same thing it's it's the bejorn cleansing month, but lead us working and yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: and all of that.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it reminded me of how people often in their cultures or their faiths, not everybody subscribes to it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Some people are going to practice lent very, you know, very severely severely.
[SPEAKER_05]: And others are going to say, no, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, cleanest more spiritual and less religious.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, yes, less traditional for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're in the infirmary now.
[SPEAKER_06]: Dr. Bershire is now treating O'Brien for not a huge not a broken bone not a upset tummy But a sebaceous cyst which is a deep embedded piece of acne It's disgusting.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm so big.
[SPEAKER_06]: See it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm so glad we didn't get a look at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you Say I would say right this
[SPEAKER_06]: Again, this is more, this is the reason why I love this show, so much as look at the scene.
[SPEAKER_06]: Nobody envoied you're went in to get a zip treated, a sister treated, you don't see this.
[SPEAKER_06]: And who knows, maybe this scene was the influence of a current show called Dr. Pimple Popper.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that's a huge show.
[SPEAKER_06]: People love that show, and maybe they're watching this and say, hey, I have an idea for reality show, and that's what I'm talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, wow.
[SPEAKER_06]: creating other projects, unbeknownst to them.
[SPEAKER_05]: Miles thinks he has two heads.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I like that joke.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just,
[SPEAKER_05]: As he's telling the story, we realized it ended sadly.
[SPEAKER_05]: He was shot and pulled out of the river before it ended, but he was a hero.
[SPEAKER_05]: He died a hero.
[SPEAKER_05]: He was, yeah, but let's a little unsure of this advice at the end.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think what makes it even funnier is just how many times he was shot over 30 times.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that is just adds the intensity of like this is what happens when you try to buck against the system, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: And so yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ram does have a moment of like, am I doing the right thing?
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh god.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he was more than a hero.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a union man.
[SPEAKER_00]: A union man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And look at the change in the O'Brien family, at least from Mauser Bryant.
[SPEAKER_00]: His forefather was Brian Baroo King.
[SPEAKER_00]: This relative worked in the coal mines.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, granted, he was the leader of the strike and more power to him, and I'm sure he did have the biggest funeral at the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But still, before that, he was a coal miner, which were the jobs relegated to immigrants when they came to this country.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, look at the change in the family history, and of course, it all goes on to Miles O'Brien being a huge factor in space
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, immigrants now, you find people who were doctors in their country and now they're driving cabs or waiting tables.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, Ram is changing the history of your family line.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's making a big, taking a whole, breaking new ground, taking a whole new path there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: We go to ops next.
[SPEAKER_05]: We see a Brian under the console.
[SPEAKER_05]: Looks like worstation is breaking or something.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they discussed how the enterprise was so much easier.
[SPEAKER_05]: And O'Brien agrees.
[SPEAKER_05]: He says, yeah, it was a lot easier.
[SPEAKER_05]: But O'Brien's kind of into the fact that the station needs me.
[SPEAKER_05]: What I love about the S9 is there's always something breaking every day, and it's great.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love fixing things.
[SPEAKER_05]: So O'Brien's attitude is kind of a positive spin on it where his work is like, you know, this is a mess.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like he what I'm used to.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so Brian actually disagrees with him.
[SPEAKER_06]: He says it's easier working on the station because he gets to do things.
[SPEAKER_06]: He at is it what he says right because you were saying that he agreed with worth saying it was.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, he agreed that things weren't break broken.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like the enterprise ran great.
[SPEAKER_05]: They both agreed the enterprise was yes, smooth sailing.
[SPEAKER_05]: There was nothing ever wrong.
[SPEAKER_05]: But exactly, Brian loves it here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but a metaphor for DS9 everything's not perfect.
[SPEAKER_05]: Perfect.
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought, by the way, this was another confusing scene to me because worse complaining about the defiance.
[SPEAKER_06]: I thought they were on the defiance as well.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was like, they're on the defiance too.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not on the defiance.
[SPEAKER_05]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, she was confusing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I wish that had been cleared up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Agreed.
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, next thing we go to the promenade where we see quark walking.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is what you're talking about before, Armin.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this is Quark walking through the promenade, so they dressed, they lit the entire promenade, just to bring Quark through there.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we do see the moment of him say he says happy cleansing is all the bejoins are going into the temple.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then we pan the other directions.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is actually a second one of those.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because there was the first one with ROM coming from the firmty into the bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this is the second one.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the second long shot like that where the bar showed us a lot of the Promenade.
[SPEAKER_00]: Showed us just the what's the space.
[SPEAKER_00]: between the temple and quarks bar, which was the actual space, and you can't do that on a lot of shows because everything's broken up into little pods.
[SPEAKER_00]: But on our show, as Chase will second, it was just one huge big set.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was a big set.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's just shocking to me though, Armand, that it took up to till the fourth season for a director to do a shot like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, why didn't anyone else try that season one or two?
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't get it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think they did some shots like that, but it was not common because you'd have to bring in more extras.
[SPEAKER_05]: You'd have to have a lot more time to light it, and it just was not easy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, time.
[SPEAKER_05]: While we go into quarks, Roms got the whole crew gathered shoulders shoulder squared off against quark.
[SPEAKER_05]: They show him their demands, he laughs, thinks it's hysterical.
[SPEAKER_05]: Ram, as you guys said, all right, then we're on strike and they all march out together.
[SPEAKER_05]: I did like that, Ram, he says that they formed the guild of restaurant and casino employees, which the letters of that are grace.
[SPEAKER_05]: So they're the grace union, which I thought was, he doesn't say that, but I probably went a cool realization.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, guild of restaurant and casino employees.
[SPEAKER_05]: Grace union.
[SPEAKER_01]: the greatest.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody should do that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_06]: I really like about the makeup for friendies and you see it when cork is laughing.
[SPEAKER_06]: When cork tilts his head back, the nostrils are not perfectly round like human nostrils or they're literally tear drops.
[SPEAKER_06]: They have a point at the top or in the top or in the top.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they're kind of, they're different shape, which is a small detail, but it just makes things more believable for me, you know, it pulls me out.
[SPEAKER_06]: I want to be pulled into the story and not sitting outside going, wait a minute, that looks just like a human nostril, and it wasn't, it's an alien nostril.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I would have liked for Leeda to have said something in that, in that scene as well, so we're not just getting Romspoint if you.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing is speaking
[SPEAKER_00]: I was particularly taken with the way they let us in this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I see all the wonderful things that my makeup artists would do with my makeup because it's obvious.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've lit in a certain way that everything shows up and I go, oh, that's not good.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in this episode, they used a light and shade in a way that the makeup looked more like skin than it usually did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how they did that, but it was obvious to me that it looks like skin is opposed to prosthetic.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I made it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm talking.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I tracked that and there was one shot, especially with with, uh, rom talking in the, the way the shade hit.
[SPEAKER_06]: I thought, wow.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was looking at a closer closer.
[SPEAKER_06]: This looks like it's real alien skin.
[SPEAKER_06]: It doesn't look like makeup at all.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would they do that, Robbie?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's the same, it's the same, DP.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same, uh, same gaffer, same gaffer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, why would some episodes,
[SPEAKER_00]: It was obvious that it was prosthetics, and this one, it's not.
[SPEAKER_05]: I would say, and this is just a guess, that usually a pharyngeus in a scene with mostly other characters, other human characters or other, you know, make-ups with different colors.
[SPEAKER_05]: So because you were in the minority of the number of actors in that scene, they sort of key off of
[SPEAKER_05]: who is the, the, you know, the majority of the majority, so they make key off of more human skin tones and human, whereas because you were the majority, there were a lot of forengi in this episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: They could sort of key the color to temperatures and the lighting style to the forengi, because there were yet ROM, you had these guest star actors, you had background forengis, you had
[SPEAKER_05]: quark obviously, you get a lot of forengues.
[SPEAKER_05]: So that needs to be your key and everybody else falls into that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_05]: That makes sense.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that'd be a yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a guess.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know for sure, but it did look better.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think we all noticed that.
[SPEAKER_06]: And now that I think of it in hindsight, when they're all standing together in that that mass to confront quark, there are a few non, you know, aliens in that bunch.
[SPEAKER_06]: And their color looked off to me.
[SPEAKER_06]: So if it was tuned for all the Frankie make-ups there was like one very one human gal who kind of look like The gal from Beetlejuice They wouldn't have been human forgive me just about they would have been for Jordan.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, so there was a bajor in there Just as Chase is a bajor in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: She looks very human.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, she is a bajor The skin tone didn't look very good on that one the majority.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Chase you probably
[SPEAKER_05]: Chase, you would have suffered with the lighting in this episode because you were interesting.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they would have not prioritized you guys.
[SPEAKER_05]: They would have prioritized making sure there was a nice continuity with all the frangy.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's so interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Huh, okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, but I thought you look great.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't mind it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I liked watching this, you know, maybe that's the thing that it was 25 years, 30 years ago was
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to say you just you can't be photographed badly chase that's why you that's nice
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, we jump outside of Quarks.
[SPEAKER_05]: The picket line is often running.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're thanking people for not patronizing Quarks.
[SPEAKER_05]: But they're paying them, not you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's paying them.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty backwards.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ladies and gentlemen, that is not with a professional labor union would do.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do not pay people not to go into buildings or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what were we paying them with?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what occurred to me.
[SPEAKER_06]: They were paying them with the strips.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know they were like memory chips or flyers or whatever about the strike, but no, it was Latin.
[SPEAKER_06]: They were giving away.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, there's a conflict in this show because of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cisco tells Quark and in earlier scene you're not being charged because we're we're a socialist society everybody is in all free here we don't we don't we don't exchange money it's the running argument i have with Michael dorn but but here the the strikers are giving out money
[SPEAKER_00]: to people.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what are they going to do with that money?
[SPEAKER_00]: They can't just spend it in quarks.
[SPEAKER_00]: There must be other places where money is taken.
[SPEAKER_00]: In which case, what is the currency on this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it nothing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is everything free?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or does do things cost things?
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't quarks for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if they're giving money to not go and quarks, what are they going to do with that money?
[SPEAKER_00]: And why would Annie Ferringy and his right mind give away money?
[SPEAKER_00]: And he must have given away a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is a grimp or somebody says, I hope we don't run out of Latin.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's one of his lines.
[SPEAKER_05]: This also brings up, I've never thought of this before, but you're right, Armin, if the Federation of Starfleet is socialist and there's no money.
[SPEAKER_05]: Then what does Kira pay with when she comes in?
[SPEAKER_05]: What does, where do they get that money?
[SPEAKER_05]: Because they don't trade in Latin.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the federal agency.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did they get an allowance?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do they, I think I've already said this, but I used to say to Michael Dornwin, he was in the scene with me in the bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would push a patent front of him, and he'd say, what's this for?
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, it's so you pay for your drinks.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, we don't have money.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was running argument Michael and I had.
[SPEAKER_05]: But you do in quarks you've got money.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's, you know, yes, it's a absolute trade full of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Chase was just was carrying a trade full of money.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Latin.
[SPEAKER_05]: It is complicated when you when you clash a socialist group with a capitalist group.
[SPEAKER_05]: How do they
[SPEAKER_05]: trade.
[SPEAKER_05]: How do they kind of trade?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a bit of the prime directive in action, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're not going to change the Feringue way, so we can't not have money in quarks, but we also need to have our own system and credo in ethics.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of trading going on in this station and outside of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: We constantly have lots of episodes where people show up with they have things to sell, things to buy, things to trade, not everybody's a socialistic society, not every society is a capitalist society.
[SPEAKER_00]: So how does your right, Robbie, how does trade go about?
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: How does Starfleet go to some colony of aliens that has dilithium crystals and say, hey, we'd love to get some of your dilithium crew.
[SPEAKER_05]: How do you, they're just going to give it to you?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it doesn't make sense.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you don't have any money, what do you do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it made sense for the original show because they were, they were, I don't think they ever bought anything on the original show.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in subsequent shows, there's a lot of trade going on and how was that done?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anybody ever addressed that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You sound like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: In a way that I felt comfortable with.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, on Voyager Robby, if you recall, a lot of times we would barter with aliens.
[SPEAKER_06]: We'd like, okay, we'll give you these supplies that we have, excess of, you know, amount of these things.
[SPEAKER_06]: We can give that to you, so we did that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if someone could figure out the answer, we'd have a different world in real life, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_05]: What did they have in San Francisco back in the 60s, the free store, where there was food, there was clothes, it was furniture, and everybody just came in, and it was a free.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_05]: I remember.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm free store.
[SPEAKER_00]: We need more of those.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hear Ram saying don't go into quarks and this is the line of up picketers.
[SPEAKER_00]: There.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted all of those people to be saying that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know the reason was they didn't, they didn't want to pay all the background people to say those lines.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they certainly could have given leaders some lines.
[SPEAKER_00]: They could have given, and they did to some extent give some lines to the two guest stars.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I wanted all of them to say it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And here's the difficulty.
[SPEAKER_00]: In a scene like that, where all those people should have been saying something, I wonder the difficulty for the background actors, how to perform without saying a word.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a difficult situation to be in, because the camera is focused on the group.
[SPEAKER_00]: how is it the one of two people are speaking?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's something like that and they're not speaking.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where I think the production was Pennywise and Pound Foolish.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, if you're going to do an episode about a labor strike where there's a very vocal group of strikers, they should have played that part of the story and you didn't really feel that part of the story.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna do a labor union episode as cheap as possible and not pay most of you guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, exactly, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they were all demonstrating, that's the word.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were all demonstrating.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have loved for Odo to go buy and shaking his head because they're making too much noise.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he doesn't wanna.
[SPEAKER_05]: I did like, when we go inside quirks, I did like quirk solution of having holographic replicas of himself working in the bar.
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought that was very funny.
[SPEAKER_06]: Just the way they shot it, you know, it's awesome.
[SPEAKER_06]: You got me up, go, I mean, I take your orders and it's very, very just monotone voice in a way, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is a reality of strikes.
[SPEAKER_00]: that when labor goes out, management tries to take over the occupations to some extent of what their workers have now given up their job.
[SPEAKER_00]: And usually, like in this scene, they fail.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can't do it as well as the workers can, because the workers are trained, and they know their job, management doesn't know how to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they fail, it's not quite the same thing, but for me, it was symbolic of that.
[SPEAKER_05]: because you've got holographic quirks who are just not quite up to the task.
[SPEAKER_05]: And there's a real reality that AI could take over a lot of people's jobs.
[SPEAKER_00]: My eyes could take over our jobs.
[SPEAKER_05]: Take over our jobs.
[SPEAKER_05]: Could take over actor jobs, could take over writer jobs, could take over director jobs.
[SPEAKER_05]: Can't take over this podcast, though, they cannot.
[SPEAKER_05]: AI will never be the delta flyers.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was bad enough when reality TV took over everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember when that was just cheaper to make and there was just an influx of it, and there's still, yeah, but now that they're actually having actors replaced.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep, well, that's what I thought of.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, the waiters are all holographic quarks here.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it doesn't know that the difference in the beginning of the scene and then quark
[SPEAKER_05]: and the the trade crashes to the ground, and then the real court comes over.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a question again to Robbie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: How did they do that?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_00]: I must have done all those extra movements around the bar in order to be the background for my for the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: But how expensive is that to enter cut all of that into into the sequence?
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I think it was a combination of some, it's not cheap.
[SPEAKER_05]: They had to rotoscope and greenscreen, some of those moments with a locked-off camera, probably.
[SPEAKER_05]: But they also probably combined it with some photo doubles in the background that had your makeup on.
[SPEAKER_05]: And were deep background and kind of turned away for the most part.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was probably a combination of those things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there was one moment where three quarks are all in the frame together.
[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, that would have been a split screen and they would have had to wrote a scope, the foreground elements from the background elements and it would have, it would not have been super cheap, but yeah, it would have been like a split screen.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like when an actor has to play the twin of themselves, I've shot those kind of scenes before we have the same actor playing, you know, the evil version of
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you'll get a photo gobbled first.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it can be expensive.
[SPEAKER_05]: You'll split screen some of those shots.
[SPEAKER_05]: You'll use a photo double to shoot over.
[SPEAKER_05]: a photo double to the real actor as if they're talking to themselves and they could have done that for part of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as a footnote to that as an ex-union official, if you play a double of yourself, if you play your twin brother, you've twin sister, you get two salaries.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: So let's say you, as Quark, we're getting paid above scale, you're negotiated right for your main role.
[SPEAKER_05]: But then if let's say you had three other twins of yourself that had a line here and there,
[SPEAKER_00]: that would be paid according to the union i would be i would be paid whatever my agent negotiated probably minimum but it's possible the agent can negotiate a comparable salary for my twin oh oh so it's possible um whatever the agent can get out of management
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never labor can get anime and we're back to our story.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, we're in the, we're in the upper in the promenade upper level.
[SPEAKER_06]: And right off the bat, I thought, man, this scene is just reminded me of Jake and Nog on the upper level doing their little thing talking.
[SPEAKER_06]: And to me, this could have been to easily a Jake and Nog scene, but because Nog is often starfleet Academy.
[SPEAKER_06]: Clearly, this was the writer's way of, you know,
[SPEAKER_06]: We're still going to use that upper level.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're going to use it and we're going to put Chief and we're going to put Doc up there and see how they do.
[SPEAKER_06]: But it's great because they're playing a game.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're playing a game of who is going to enter corpse and who will pass cork, which is again, a game that Jake and Dog would probably play.
[SPEAKER_06]: But it's cute, it's funny.
[SPEAKER_06]: Warf comes up and immediately everyone says someone says a bridesis pass because he never even really steps foot in that place, but he enters and they're shocked.
[SPEAKER_06]: And they rush in to go confront Warf.
[SPEAKER_06]: I love this little quick scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about this later, but I would have loved to have heard Warf's reasons for why he walked in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because as he said, it's absolutely true.
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't say it, but as I think Bashir says, he never goes into quarks anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: So why would he go in now?
[SPEAKER_06]: And we never hear about this.
[SPEAKER_06]: Even later, even when they're in the break, we don't even know why he walked in.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was being defiant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Nice, Chase.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you go, Chase.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so Warf does walk in and important to note that a Brian is triggered by this.
[SPEAKER_05]: And he's like, wait a minute, and I'm going to go talk some sense into him.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: He goes running in Bashir Chase's O'Brien.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we can tell there's going to be,
[SPEAKER_05]: a labor issue discussion, hard cut to the holding area where Cisco comes in very mad and it's the three boys just had a brawl in the bar and they try to explain, I feel like the scene could have been funnier if I'm being honest, there was comedy opportunity in this that it just felt like the energy was a little lower something.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like maybe they shot this at the end of the day.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's a very, very end.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's, you know, the three, the three boys are in trouble.
[SPEAKER_05]: The captain's mad.
[SPEAKER_05]: There could have been some funny, you know, trying to make excuses or it's doing quite get to comedy or light comedy level.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was kind of...
[SPEAKER_06]: middle of the road for me this well yeah yeah the comedy for me was the final line captain can we leave now i'll tell console auto to let you go in the morning so you're still staying there that to me maybe laugh i chuckle i feel like zisco avery's energy was appropriate it was the other three inside the they just in the rig yeah yeah i could have been banter and accusations and you and
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they could have been physical comedy, they could have been, you know, timing of looks and things like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's just could have been some sharpness to the comedy in the scene that I don't think was wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there couldn't, you know, because if we remember back to the first scene when Bashir and O'Brien are going off to their Hall of Sweet program, Bashir doesn't want to be there.
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't, he's not happy about these clothes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not quite sure why he's going with the brine.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now he's in another situation that a Brian has put him into.
[SPEAKER_00]: The comedy I think could have been, I'm a little tired of all of you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just getting me hurt constantly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I sort of wanted to see there as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that there's an arc to what people have been doing in the episode with all the respect
[SPEAKER_00]: to said who's an incredible actor and a wonderful person.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to feel like he was bored throughout this episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I felt about the three of them in the scene.
[SPEAKER_05]: I felt like all three of them were like, why are we doing this scene?
[SPEAKER_06]: Foning it in?
[SPEAKER_06]: A little bit.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're stuck in a holding cell in a scene that's like,
[SPEAKER_05]: And the why for me would have been, hey, this is a great opportunity to have some fun and get some laughs.
[SPEAKER_05]: And let's find, let's be creative, whether it's like your pitching arm and with Sid's with, you know, Bashir's attitude of, I keep getting in trouble.
[SPEAKER_05]: This isn't my fault.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like he's that enough of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And war continued the fight and like almost gotten into it again.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then their anger had dissipated, which I think is the problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Chase.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's even more of the fight in that scene.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So what if this took place in quirks where Cisco showed up, you know, right at the end of the altercation?
[SPEAKER_05]: It could have it was an it wasn't about the place to me was fine.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're in jail.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's the hard cut to they're all in
[SPEAKER_05]: the interest in playing the, you know, the stakes of the scene and the circumstances just didn't seem like anybody was interested in playing that scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Very met scene is what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_06]: Go.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're in the captain's office.
[SPEAKER_05]: Cisco is talking to Quark.
[SPEAKER_05]: Cisco's getting tough here.
[SPEAKER_05]: He wants this settled today.
[SPEAKER_05]: Quark says that it's a fringy violation of their culture to talk to strikers.
[SPEAKER_05]: I can't talk to them, he says.
[SPEAKER_05]: And Cisco now reveals that the Federation has a lease on the place.
[SPEAKER_05]: And he's been getting it for free.
[SPEAKER_05]: The quarks been getting this place for free.
[SPEAKER_05]: He, um, Cisco starts doing a little accounting, starts adding up some of the back costs on his pad.
[SPEAKER_05]: Did you see him typing the pad on the desk, by the way?
[SPEAKER_05]: Nothing was interacting with his fingers.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was like, uh, maybe we should have hidden that pad a little better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Good.
[SPEAKER_05]: But he adds up all these costs.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_05]: Quark realizes, uh,
[SPEAKER_05]: It could be a very costly not to talk to them.
[SPEAKER_05]: So he says he'll talk to his brother.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Love to Avery in the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just loved his integrity, his intensity, his righteous anger, vitriol, toward the injustice.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have to say, I thought Avery was terrific, but I also thought Quark was terrific.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So here's what I want to point, and not that so much, but,
[SPEAKER_00]: When I watch that scene, the fact, this is season four.
[SPEAKER_00]: If they had asked me to play this scene in season one, I would have played it radically different.
[SPEAKER_00]: not as good as I did this time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have played it for whatever humor was in it and not had been as committed to what my problem was as I am in this length of thank God I got to that place over the course of a couple years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank God that the writers had also matriculated and
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was great.
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought, you know, and you're willing this to concede when Cisco brings up all this money, but you frame it as, well, I'll go talk to my brother.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not going to talk to the strikers, because that's against Feringi rules.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I'll talk to my brother because he can't brother.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, it was nice.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was nice.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was very nice.
[SPEAKER_05]: Good scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the rare ones that I have with with with
[SPEAKER_05]: It was great scene.
[SPEAKER_05]: I liked it a lot, except for the pad being revealed when they're able at which they had turned that away because that took them out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if I remember correctly, neither one of us moves.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no locking in this scene, which made it more intense because it's just the two actors bringing energy and commitment to what they're saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is interesting enough that we don't need any
[SPEAKER_06]: the power of seal this on power stillness yes chase yeah we go from one pad scene to another pad scene so here we are with rom working on a pad doing a little bit of accounting work and of course forcas there he's ready to transfer
[SPEAKER_06]: latinum into his private account and roms like well what what what what what what what we talk about slip strips of ours slips corks says rom just makes a little little noise or a look and he then corks changes it to from slips to strips but rom says it doesn't matter even if it was bars I'm I'm not gonna and the strike unless every single demand is met then all the sudden corks brings in family rom we shouldn't be fighting we're brothers
[SPEAKER_06]: No, no, no, no, no, no, you've already made it clear.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're the employer, I'm the employee.
[SPEAKER_06]: Quirk admits he was wrong.
[SPEAKER_06]: rare rare rare rare rare rare rare rare we do not see that but to me that's this that's cork evolving in a way you know what I'm saying he's he's becoming a much more complex of alien and he's also evolving to the point of for the betterment of of himself and of everyone around him he's actually admitting that he's wrong and you know cork is absolutely
[SPEAKER_06]: flipping in a way, but he's trying to come, he's trying to come to an end.
[SPEAKER_06]: He wants to make this strike and his suit as possible.
[SPEAKER_06]: And Ram has that quote, there's only one thing I have to say to you, workers of the world unite.
[SPEAKER_06]: You have nothing to lose, but your chains, which is a reference to, I think that's spoken elsewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mark's is a manifesto.
[SPEAKER_06]: The manifesto itself.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he reads it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Ram reads it.
[SPEAKER_05]: He goes, I have one thing to say to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, Max walked a really wonderful fine line of being both comic and serious at this same time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Amazing work, beautiful.
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought your last line was beautiful too.
[SPEAKER_05]: What's happened to you?
[SPEAKER_05]: It could have been comic.
[SPEAKER_05]: It could have been often, you know, writers will write what we call a blow at the end of the scene, or a button.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, the line is intended to be a period at the end of the scene.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it sounds that way off and after, say, the last line, that line, what's happened to you could have been that, but you made it so much more complex and complicated and interesting.
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you again.
[SPEAKER_00]: My intention with this episode was to make it as serious and real as possible.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was my other life, while I was shooting the show, I was a union representative, I was on the official.
[SPEAKER_01]: And interesting that your button was something that shamed Rob, that as an honest expression from Quark, it also was a shaming type of comment.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that could show that everything else that you said was a tactic instead of real change.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, if I remember correctly, the choice was, yes, it was a tactic.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, there's, there's a, there is a love, at least I always thought there was, between the two brothers, it was just manifested in a bad way, there was sibling problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there is a relationship that's there that grows because Max and I became incredibly in love with each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be a way to put that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, the next scene is in Quark's bar.
[SPEAKER_05]: Quark unlocks the main doors.
[SPEAKER_05]: Heads inside.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we see Jeffrey Combs as Brunt and Danger and Danger.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: D-E-S and Danger as the, uh, the Nosekin, uh, so it gets thugs.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was a definitely danger for us.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could set death absolutely was danger.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's absolutely danger.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be surprised.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think maybe it was Tommy, but I can't be sure of the other one.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, okay, because I, there's a little bit of trivia talking about how they hired professional dark guys.
[SPEAKER_06]: to play the Nosekin really.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, so that's why I was like, I really thought that was danger.
[SPEAKER_06]: I really did get so dangerous.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, which then makes sense because you want guys that can actually hit the other guys later in the face.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, not end up injuring the other person and
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, which would end the whole scene, whoever it was.
[SPEAKER_06]: There was the same build and then in high-stature danger, but yeah, but I'd like to just interject very quickly about talking about identity of who's playing, who honestly, when I looked at brunt, it didn't look like Jeffrey at all in every scene after this when I see him on my god.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, when you first see Brunt as the FCA in the prior episode as a family business, whatever it was, you know it's him.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, oh, yeah, that's Jeff.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know it's him.
[SPEAKER_06]: But in this episode, I kept it, no, I thought they hired someone else.
[SPEAKER_06]: They brought in Jeff because Jeff to do his voice over because he wasn't available to do on camera principle photography.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's what I thought.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh my god, is that what happened?
[SPEAKER_06]: Because it not at one point did I ever think that was Jeffrey Cumm's underneath the makeup.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's funny because I saw it immediately and in the dialogue, when Jeffrey is delivering dialogue, he works the make-up so beautifully in a way that only Jeffrey Holmes can do it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, he did something with his tongue, one of them just incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what his teeth look like on camera and he used that to you.
[SPEAKER_05]: there is something consistent with Jeffrey Combs that's that's his sort of unique brand of physicality that I I saw immediately.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well then I guess my question is this.
[SPEAKER_06]: Did anyone notice that if his make up any different from the prior time that the only time that we've seen before, it looked different to me.
[SPEAKER_06]: That could be there's more darkness added around the eyes, you know, then he had before.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, I got him in it.
[SPEAKER_06]: This doesn't even show up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember who made him up?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, he sure knew how to work.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, he knows how to work the face.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, he does.
[SPEAKER_01]: His tongue, his pronunciation.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a sensuality to his front.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there was a dark scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the fact it was a dark scene because again, it covers up the, maybe that's why it looked a little different to you because it was a lot of shadow in that scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And let very different.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that may have been the reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I love the fact that it was a dark scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me just go back to the, please, a quark, a briving rom.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't call them out naprides, but in labor negotiations, something like this happens on a regular basis, but does happen, or someone is offered, listen, you do this for me, and especially to the attorneys on the union side, or on the management side, I suppose.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say the labor neighbor does it, but perhaps they do, where you just can try to convince the attorney who's guiding the negotiations for the other side to maybe, you know, not guide them as well as, as perhaps they could.
[SPEAKER_00]: We, we had a, everyone's for another time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a feeling that that's happened in real life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't say it from my labor negotiation experience, but I certainly have heard about this in other labor negotiation experiences.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty evident.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I like about this episode, is it does deal with realities of... He gives reality to a strike, to a labor action.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Management action.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it is, it may be a pharyngeal episode, which are usually comic, but there's a lot of really grounded truth in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: always with the Frankie a lot of crowded truth.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I tried to do that.
[SPEAKER_05]: So did you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, brunch is there to end this strike by any means necessary.
[SPEAKER_05]: We go into Rob's quarters next and they're very confident.
[SPEAKER_05]: Ram and Leeda and Frul and Grim, they feel like the strike's working.
[SPEAKER_05]: Ram does share with everybody, they core-tried to bribe him, but he refused it.
[SPEAKER_05]: So that means they must be close to winning.
[SPEAKER_05]: If Quark was gonna pay me something, this must be working.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's him, brunt enters with his nossic and scary bodyguards.
[SPEAKER_05]: He threatens them very hard.
[SPEAKER_05]: threatens they're gonna lose their money, all their accounts.
[SPEAKER_05]: Their families will be targeted.
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll pay the price for this, they'll be thrown from the tower of commerce, if they were back on Feringue, that's what they would do.
[SPEAKER_05]: Fruld drops to his knees, our guest are firing, drops to his knees, he's terrified, says it wasn't him, it was all there.
[SPEAKER_05]: So he's, so the strike seems like it could fall apart here, and Brunt says be back at work tomorrow, or the consequences will be severe, and he leaves, and then Rome doesn't back down.
[SPEAKER_05]: He tells everybody that Sean O'Brien wasn't scared, and neither is he, and they all need
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would have liked to have seen someone.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the two foreign guest stars did it to some extent, but I would have liked the little argument against that, not from Quarx point of view, but simply in negotiations, it isn't just one person speaking, so yes, yes, it's going to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are conversations about every little tiny piece of negotiation about what are the pros and cons of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have liked a little of that, but again, time, we didn't have time for that, maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was more the comedy of him groveling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was the only counterargument this is I give up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which I didn't think was necessary in that scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that to me is old TNG for hanging.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, great.
[SPEAKER_06]: But during this conversation, Brent is kind of laying down the law, but he does look at Leda and he's like, hey, I mean, it's just he's frozen.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's frozen by, oh my lord, he really likes Leda or he's in love with her beauty or something, but it's just he's completely distracted.
[SPEAKER_04]: He hit her a little bit too delicate or something like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, was that that must have been in the script right where he he tracks that way?
[SPEAKER_06]: Or did that just happen?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want that being in the script.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just Jeffrey.
[SPEAKER_05]: Huh.
[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like that might have been just Jeff.
[SPEAKER_05]: I have the feeling it was Jeff too.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, we go out to the promenade next.
[SPEAKER_05]: Ram is giving the crew.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like a general addressing his troops here.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's giving them, you know, look sharp, no slouching, unity, you know, there's unity and strength or strength in you.
[SPEAKER_05]: in unity, there is strength.
[SPEAKER_05]: So be strong.
[SPEAKER_05]: He looks up.
[SPEAKER_05]: He sees a Brian watching and he gives him a thumbs up, which I thought was nice.
[SPEAKER_05]: A Brian the union man, a wrong the union man.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then we cut up stairs, worth apologizes to a Brian about the, the ruckus they had, getting him thrown in the holding cell.
[SPEAKER_05]: And worth admits something about the station just unsettles him.
[SPEAKER_05]: And he decides he's going to move his quarters to the defiant.
[SPEAKER_05]: Moses is like, what?
[SPEAKER_05]: You're going to be all by yourself alone out there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Worfs or spots is, yes, I know.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's very happy about that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it was it was good good reaction shot on Warf before uses.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know he played that quite well.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think it's all a wonder, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_05]: I think pretty much up top, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe the very end they fall into some coverage at the very last moment, but him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, let's, you know, live our trust of the actors and say, okay, let's just do it.
[SPEAKER_05]: This next scene is in the corridor with Ron walking, lead a back to her quarters and she's very impressed with him.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is a really lovely scene.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ron comes such a beautifully long way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a lot of times I've said about Lita and Rom that Lita falls for the guy who was pretty on the inside, but really the truth is he is damn sexy in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he is really so brave and so forthright in his knowledge and action for what is right.
[SPEAKER_01]: The absolutely Lita fell in love with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Lita was just walking through the motions with Bashir after that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I like that, you know, she says, I knew it all along.
[SPEAKER_05]: I knew you were so brave all along.
[SPEAKER_05]: And he goes, really?
[SPEAKER_05]: And she goes, no, no, no, she's honest.
[SPEAKER_05]: I like her on it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like she's kind, but if somebody asks her question, she's going to be honest.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I didn't think it all.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he was the rent brother until now.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is she turning point?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, she says in the scene, you surprised a lot of people including me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Did you can't believe it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, empowering the audience to rise to the occasion and do all they know that they can do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do things greater than they thought they could do, which I think is part of why Ram is such a popular character.
[SPEAKER_00]: And to recognize and first impressions aren't always right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It really is a true heroic journey that he has even in this one episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, she kisses him on the forehead, which is a nice gesture saying good night.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then she goes in her quarters.
[SPEAKER_05]: Quark appears says they need to talk.
[SPEAKER_05]: Rom needs to stop all of this.
[SPEAKER_05]: The FDA's involved.
[SPEAKER_05]: Brunt could take him out and quark's very honest about this.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, he doesn't want his brother to die.
[SPEAKER_00]: and rom says well then you'll be in on the challenge what you always wanted which is calls back to that very ugly comment the court made early in the episode it's a it's a nice seen us a scene that is made better by the affinity and trust that the two actors have with each other
[SPEAKER_05]: this whole scene from the walk-in talk with Lita to through the quark in the end of the scene.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was one of my favorite scenes in the whole episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's really good.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well acted and really well like on point with the writing.
[SPEAKER_05]: They went to the heart of this, the relationships and the story in this episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those were such tender moments all throughout.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also beautiful that Clark didn't need to do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he did.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was, I think, such a beautiful display of genuine care.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was not about the money or the union.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was about his brother, finally.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you've never seen quarks so vulnerable and sharing what he's, you know, we don't know all these things that are going on in quarks head, we know him now, he's always cared about wrong.
[SPEAKER_06]: Always from day one, try to protect him, do all these things and we now get a glimpse of that, which is, yeah, it's great.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well, well, well, executed.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad you said that Garrett, but I, you know, I'm not sure you're always always cared about his brother.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so maybe there was a time when you hated it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there are moments that teach you real life where you have a problem with a sibling or a family member and you still love them, but you're over all.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, for five minutes, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But overall, yeah, overall, I mean, they really, it's quarkin' ramen and noggin' and eventually lead up, but they're all family and they are in a strange land, their strangers in a strange land, and they have to stick together in order to be a unit when everything else around them is different.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's not tied up in a bow, is it even though Quark does have a moment of vulnerability with rom rom still is hurting from when he said he wanted to be an only child in rom has to say that, you know, you don't think you can come back so easily, I'm still.
[SPEAKER_01]: hurt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I love it that he throws it in his face.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: We go back to quarks.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's after hours, brun, and the nozzacans are there.
[SPEAKER_05]: The nozzacans are playing darts and throwing them at each other's ecaptoments just seems not smart.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I'm just going to read the two nozzacans were played by professional dart players, James Lomus and Sean McConnell, specifically for the scene in the episode where the two nozzacans throw
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's possible that earlier scene was danger with Tom Morda, and then this scene, they brought in the dark professionals for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because they're in the background.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a tight shot on them at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're in the background doing them.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can't miss what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I, it's funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for that, because that, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really thought it looked like danger to me.
[SPEAKER_05]: It might have been, it might have been danger.
[SPEAKER_05]: It could have been a bit earlier.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then these guys later, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's possible.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, Quarka says to Brontine needs more time.
[SPEAKER_05]: And basically, Bront decides, you know, we need to make an example of someone.
[SPEAKER_05]: And if Quark thinks it's wrong, no, not wrong.
[SPEAKER_05]: Then he thinks, well, maybe, is it Lita?
[SPEAKER_05]: You want to make an example of it?
[SPEAKER_05]: No, it's not Lita.
[SPEAKER_05]: That wouldn't be smart.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's Quark.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I'm gonna make an example of Quark.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like me.
[SPEAKER_05]: And Bront is,
[SPEAKER_05]: Quarks is me.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm on your side, Brent says ironic, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so easy now.
[SPEAKER_05]: Poor Quark.
[SPEAKER_05]: We cut into the infirmary.
[SPEAKER_05]: They have made an example of Quark.
[SPEAKER_05]: His eye socket is busted.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's almost killed.
[SPEAKER_05]: He looks very beat up.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's got this weird thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Stuck on his head.
[SPEAKER_05]: This medical device to try to heal him and rom comes in.
[SPEAKER_05]: Quarks embed.
[SPEAKER_05]: Ron comes in and says, this isn't going to work.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're not going to fold.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're not going to give in.
[SPEAKER_05]: This labor thing is too important.
[SPEAKER_05]: And Quirk has an idea.
[SPEAKER_05]: He says, dissolve the union, and I'll just give you what you're asking for.
[SPEAKER_05]: In six months or so, we'll quietly give you what you want.
[SPEAKER_05]: And Ron says, no, by the end of the week.
[SPEAKER_05]: and cork has to agree he's he's in a bind here rom has to agree rom has to yes rom has to agree to dissolve the union but cork has to agree to pay us now not six months yet that's right so they both kind of make us acquire it
[SPEAKER_00]: under the table deal, which is the way things are done, which is the leaders, you know, it has to be okay by the labor committee and by the management committee, but the two leaders of the negotiation can come to a resolve and say, this is a perfect answer for what we both want.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have to go back to your people and try to pass it.
[SPEAKER_05]: And there are things, Armin, I'm aware, from the director's guild side effects, that often there are things that are not in the new contract.
[SPEAKER_05]: that the DGA wanted, for example, but their conversations and good faith that these things will be looked at and discussed during the next phase, so that maybe they will be brought up in the next conference.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly right.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I think you've touched on something that's enormously important, the most people don't understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Negotiations are a process and the end of the process is a contract, but that doors are opened.
[SPEAKER_00]: where we all know that in three years time in our contractors three years, in three years time, this can be brought up.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've opened the door.
[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't agreed on anything, but we've opened the door to more discussion on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the final result, each contract is just a stepping stone to the next contract.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's kind of what's happening here with ramen quark.
[SPEAKER_05]: is they're not getting, you know, rums aren't getting everything you wanted and quirks aren't getting everything you wanted, but they're making a deal and an agreement that they're gonna sell this.
[SPEAKER_00]: The definition of a good contract is when both sides think they haven't gotten everything they want.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's where they are in the infirmary here.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're not, but they're finally settling.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're finally moving towards each other.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, so we're on the defiant, Dax's with Wolf, and he's starting to settle in to his new Diggs where he's going to be sleeping and Dax says that initially she was going to bring a house plant sort of like a, you know, a gift, but yes, she decided against that and Wolf says a wise decision that you didn't bring me that plant.
[SPEAKER_06]: She gives him an isoleneer chip and on that chip are all of Dax's favorite cling-on operas and she tells Warf you can play those as loud as you like on the defines that you're the only one there and Warf says that's a thoughtful gift.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then Dax has you know talking about sooner or later you're going to have to adapt to life on the station and Warf says well perhaps in the end it will be all of you who will have to adapt to me is what he says.
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not a fan of this scene because of such a strong scene and this is just again confusing.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not sure of worse.
[SPEAKER_05]: Point of view, or Dax is point of view to be honest, like is he being serious at the end?
[SPEAKER_05]: You're going to all have to adapt to me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Seems.
[SPEAKER_06]: I kind of felt like it didn't land, Robbie, because they should have played more of the flirtation between these two.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, it seemed very...
[SPEAKER_06]: very kind of clinical and just and you're right that line perhaps in the end of what we all of you that will have to adapt to me should have been more whimsical or more comedic as opposed to or they should have just cut a scene when he said oh that's a really thoughtful gift and end of there end of scene okay yeah it got we got muddy at the end for sure yeah there's there wasn't much story in his be story about moving on to the
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, we do have one more scene in quarks.
[SPEAKER_05]: We do the bars back up and running.
[SPEAKER_05]: Here, uh, gets her residual scene here.
[SPEAKER_05]: She shuts up for a drink.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is the only scene I think care is in in this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, yes, she, as she gets her residual scene or, uh, she broke her cleanse, uh, you know, her cleansing fast.
[SPEAKER_05]: Either way, she's in a scene.
[SPEAKER_05]: Ram is there, but he's not in his outfit.
[SPEAKER_05]: Quarks like, why are you dressed like that?
[SPEAKER_05]: You need to get back to work.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's not working here anymore.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's got a new job.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's a repair technician, junior grade, night shift.
[SPEAKER_05]: And when he said the line night shift, I just sent a Rebecca, I'm like, wait a minute, night shift.
[SPEAKER_05]: Is there night?
[SPEAKER_05]: Is there day?
[SPEAKER_05]: Is there night?
[SPEAKER_05]: And then Rebecca's her defense was, well, they're probably on the Bajoran, the planetary Bajoran time clock.
[SPEAKER_05]: If this is a, you know, yeah, the station tied to the Bajoran home world.
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe that's very, walk that they're even though there's no day.
[SPEAKER_05]: That makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's so cute that he's relegated to night shifts.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like he did all of this progress, but he's still not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Night shift.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's still still a beginner.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's starting at the very bottom of the ladder.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: My question is, iteration don't pay wages.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: How's he going to buy?
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, the same way they care as they're buying a drink.
[SPEAKER_05]: I guess he's going to get whatever they
[SPEAKER_05]: however she pays.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's so true.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I understand the matriculation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand him wanting to get out from under that makes perfect sense and getting another job is fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then I ask, again, it's this question of economy and it's never been resolved.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's one of the major, it's like Michael and I had this question in three years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So snail juice.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but I got to say he looks great in a bejorn uniform.
[SPEAKER_06]: He looks really good.
[SPEAKER_06]: I let wow.
[SPEAKER_06]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Big fan of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's less hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm sicker.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, the end of the scene is really nice because Quark is in shock, but he does admit him, he'll miss his brother, and Ram says the same thing, and it's a nice brother moment there at the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's an echo.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a slight echo, but it's an echo of the orphan and Miles O'Brien's scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ram is saying, you know, there'll be things for me to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know you'll need me, and I'll be happy to do those things for you, because it gives me something to do.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, there you go.
[SPEAKER_05]: There we have it.
[SPEAKER_05]: There it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've finished the labor movement episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Woo!
[SPEAKER_00]: And one last thing about the labor movement.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the scene where Cisco talks to Quark and says you'll get this done.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is an analogy.
[SPEAKER_00]: in a labor movement.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes the government steps in and says, I know you guys are at that odds, at loggerheads with each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: You must come to resolve.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the government steps in and says this and that makes all the difference in the negotiation.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I just want to say to Chase, if I was to walk up to you in Cori Allen's workshop that we were in together and say to you like, Hey, years from now, you and I are going to be in a podcast, talking about the same show.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're going to be in a different version of the show.
[SPEAKER_06]: I will be on the show, the version that comes after your version of the show.
[SPEAKER_06]: And we're going to discuss it on a thing called Zoom.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's going to where all of us will be at home.
[SPEAKER_06]: We don't have to be in the same city at all.
[SPEAKER_06]: And we're going to be talking on the using the internet.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like you would be like, what the heck?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like get out.
[SPEAKER_06]: Get out of here crazy guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wrong with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: everything has come such a long way, baby.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, it has, but also, but for two people in the same acting class to be on the same franchise, like, I mean, for Armin for Robbie, I'm pretty sure no one in your acting classes ended up in Star Trek.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: So for a lot of people I worked with in the theater ended up as guest stars, of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a little different because of course theater actors are
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, Star Trek is made for theater actors.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you can have this random class on Lafayanaga also be taught by Cori Allen, which we didn't have any idea.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: That he directed next gen and also other episodes of Star Trek.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Jonathan Delarco was also in this class.
[SPEAKER_06]: He was there too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Three out of the ten people in the class.
[SPEAKER_06]: We came Star Trek characters.
[SPEAKER_01]: In a city of 12 million people.
[SPEAKER_06]: So nuts.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think we need to talk about the theme, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, we need the theme, or the lesson, the moral of this episode starting with Robbie, then Armin, then if Chase wants to throw in her scene.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're seeing that too.
[SPEAKER_06]: Can't wait to hear it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, my theme, moral lesson for this episode, is believe in the impossible and be your own biggest fan.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's the wrong lesson.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's believing yourself.
[SPEAKER_05]: and be open to believing in the impossible.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because to Rome, unions were, as Armen said earlier, didn't exist in their culture.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it was something that was impossible.
[SPEAKER_05]: And Rome believed in it and made it happen.
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe, you know, made a big change.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Amen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mine is slightly similar just in different words.
[SPEAKER_00]: Change can be daunting, but it also is a catalyst for growth and progress.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_06]: Much, much better words.
[SPEAKER_06]: Much more eloquent than robies, but yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, Chase.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stand up for what you know is right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't give up, and you'll go farther than you ever thought you would.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, that's the winner so far.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I made it up.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's quite all right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, so my my lesson is is more high tuition.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's if it's even less words.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is know that you are enough.
[SPEAKER_06]: Great.
[SPEAKER_06]: A lot of people don't realize that, you know, you have everything within yourself to do whatever you want to do and a wrong way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's great.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_06]: Alright, our Patreon poll winner for the theme slash moral slash lesson of this episode as submitted by snazio is rule of acquisition number 286.
[SPEAKER_06]: which is new.
[SPEAKER_06]: Flexibility is the key to long-term success.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think they just made that one up.
[SPEAKER_05]: They just made it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because there's only 250 rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be Jeff Combs's flexibility, as an actor.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot more episodes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, that's it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Congratulations.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because you get to have more Chase, more Armin, and more Robby, and a little bit more of myself in our bonus material section, which we're about to get into for everyone else.
[SPEAKER_06]: See you next time.
[SPEAKER_06]: Bye.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thanks everybody.