[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to another episode of the Girl's Dot Plan podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's your favorite homegirl core yell.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here to encourage you to stop playing with your potential and start working for what you want in life and in love.
[SPEAKER_00]: You already know that I'm bringing you the information and the conversations to help you make the money and get the honey.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can have it all as long as you are willing to work.
[SPEAKER_00]: And baby, if you are not following me on Instagram,
[SPEAKER_00]: You have been missing out on all the goodness, all the news, all the fun, all the excitement.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let me just fill you in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yesterday I had the pleasure of attending my last baby shower because even if I have another baby, I'm not having another baby shower.
[SPEAKER_00]: But child, my baby shower hosts laid it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was an amazing time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was like the best baby shower ever, mainly because I didn't have to worry about anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Me and Kendrick just showed up where, you know, surprised by all of the details, the decor, the games.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we also did our gender reveal.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in case you missed it, go check my Instagram.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to share here because I want you to go see the video.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the sweetest thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the sweetest thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But go check it out to find out the gender of Baby Mallard, which will be here in literally less than sixty days.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am excited to bring another Libra baby into this world.
[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you in advance for all of your well wishes.
[SPEAKER_00]: All of your support, all of the things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we've gotten so many people reaching out about whether or not we have a registry.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll make sure I drop that down below in case you feel led to, say, maybe malware or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's always appreciated for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: But y'all, the other thing that you might have missed if you're not following me on Instagram is a little bit of mess.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if you are not new to this, if you're true to this, if you have been down with girls that plan for, you know, some time now, then you probably remember me talking about betrayal on a previous episode, but I was pretty
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the word?
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't really say who it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't name any names.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just kind of told vaguely share some details about what I had experienced and how I had been betrayed by a bro by this guy who I thought was a really good friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm ready to air it all out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I've been talking about it on social media.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've gotten tons of questions, so many DMs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt like my podcast, my platform.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is my safe space to share my side of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not even my side of things to share the truth.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this episode is me breaking my silence.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's me not doing any more sub-tweeting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Me not sending any more subliminals.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's me naming names.
[SPEAKER_00]: know if it's this baby that's got me like if all it is or what you know what this energy what this spirit is but I'm just ready to air it out and you know finally release all that I've been holding on to that I feel like because I've been holding on to it in in some ways it's been holding me back
[SPEAKER_00]: And so even though I'm the type of person that I will, again, if you follow me on Instagram, you know, I will call out people who are scamming.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say the comfortable things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will, you know, tell the heart truths.
[SPEAKER_00]: When it comes to other people, something about like standing up for myself and sharing, you know, when people do me wrong,
[SPEAKER_00]: Something about that has just felt wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I've been super hesitant.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've talked about this like in real life to people, you know, that I know for real who I have relationships with.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I have not spoken about it publicly and I can't really even tell you why.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't tell you why I didn't want to name any names.
[SPEAKER_00]: Truth is, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I ended up making a post on threads.
[SPEAKER_00]: Monique was coming through my timeline.
[SPEAKER_00]: Monique, the comedian actress, all things, was coming across my timeline sharing as she has been for years about the injustice that she experienced, how she was blackballed and how she was mistreated by these other people in the entertainment industry.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when I saw these posts and I went through the comments, so many of the comments were saying things like,
[SPEAKER_00]: We're tired of hearing about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stop talking about it, Monique.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, is she still talking about this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why are we still hearing about this?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just feel like that's kind of like victim blaming.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like it's very clear or it has been proven at least that she is not lying.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's not making this stuff up.
[SPEAKER_00]: She since coming out publicly years ago, she's gotten some apologies.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so obviously she's not just making all of this stuff up.
[SPEAKER_00]: But people are still like, okay, be quiet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, go cry in the corner.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't want to hear about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I made a post on my threads.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, you know, somebody, one of y'all's favorites did me dirty.
[SPEAKER_00]: The same way Tyler Perry did Monique dirty.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I have not shared my story publicly because y'all love to victim blank.
[SPEAKER_00]: Y'all love to tell people to be quiet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Y'all love to tell people
[SPEAKER_00]: you know that you don't want to hear about this as you continue to support this popular person simply because they're popular and so I could relate so much to her and what she was sharing and how she felt like she was being mistreated because she was you know standing up for herself or holding on to her morals or whatever
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I put, you know, I'm not going to name any names, but I'll just say that social proof and all that it seems to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that clue, social proof, referring to the social proof podcast hosted by David Shans, was enough of a clue for people to come to the comments.
[SPEAKER_00]: And say, oh my gosh, I can't believe this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And some people like, I'm not surprised.
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw this coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see what type of energy he has.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even to the point where people were like, yeah, that's that's how he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how he's been since high school.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had someone literally in my BM's talking about what he's been doing to people since high school.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just up until what two years ago, that had not been my experience with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now since I've had this experience where he played in my face, pretended like we were friends, though my ideas, which I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna lay it all out until you play by play what happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: But since this has happened to me, and I've shared with certain people in real life conversations,
[SPEAKER_00]: So many people have said, you know, I never got a good vibe from him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw the way that he was doing people.
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw the way he was talking to people.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, that had just never been my experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: And aside from it, not being my experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have known David since before Instagram is what it is now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Since before influencers became what they are now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Since before, neither me or him really had a pop in business.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like David and I met
[SPEAKER_00]: ten years ago before I had written my first book we were literally both working on our first books at the same time like we were we had so much in common which is why I think we quickly became friends because we were both grinding hustling, building, trying to figure out how to do business and we were just helping each other so I thought
[SPEAKER_00]: along the way and so I just had a different perception and a different relationship with David then people who met him since he you know has become poppin and popular online.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've known him before I was you know before he had the hats when he was involved with the glasses and you know was just kind of the nerdy person that I knew him to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he was just this good guy and so
[SPEAKER_00]: I really felt some type of way that I had fallen victim to someone who I really thought was a friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one thing to get betrayed by somebody who like, okay, you know, you've been sat on this person, you've been watching them, you've been, you know, kind of
[SPEAKER_00]: expect in them to do you there is one thing to get done dirty by someone who you can kind of see it coming but to have been in so many different situations with somebody to have been you know partners on so many different things over the years to have been supportive of one another in so many different ways over the years I mean we had kids at the same time I've been in his
[SPEAKER_00]: kids birthday parties when his mother passed away I was I had mother's funeral like all of these things that to me felt like genuine friendship for someone like that to play in my face it just hurt that much more than just some acquaintance who you know I have very little expectations of and so needless to say what this boils down to is that my feelings was hurt my feelings were hurt that I had been investing time and effort and energy
[SPEAKER_00]: and goodness, because my intentions have always been good.
[SPEAKER_00]: In any relationship that I'm in, I am not the type of person that connects with people based on what I think I can get from them, based on what I think they can do for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is, that's just not how I roll.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is not how I get down.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I've never, even when I was dating, you know, I was never the type of person that wants to go out with you today.
[SPEAKER_00]: think you got money or I think you can buy me dinner.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm hungry tonight.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to hang out with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just not the type of person that I am.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't build friendships like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But hindsight being twenty twenty.
[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely feel like maybe not from the very beginning and looking me still trying to give him a little bit of grace because it very well may have been from the very beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I really feel like at first we were we were truly friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were getting to know each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were supportive of one another.
[SPEAKER_00]: But at some point it took a turn.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can't even pinpoint what that term was.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when I look back over our relationship over the last ten years, the last probably five have definitely been full of some shady, probably seven, the last seven years, since like, twenty-eighteen, and definitely been full of some shadyness that I just was not aware of did not see coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, how do we get to this point?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I posted that on thread because I posted that on thread.
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody saw the post posted it on Instagram, made a whole video about it on Instagram.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the people in the comments are like, well, we're happy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I have some questions, all of these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm answering the question in the comments.
[SPEAKER_00]: finally laid it all out there in terms of like details of what happened instead of just vaguely providing you know a little bit of the story and that is kind of where it all took off.
[SPEAKER_00]: So here we are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because again, I do feel like it's not messy because I'm not gossiping.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not lying.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is truly the truth.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I can't say that this is messy.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do feel like my pie cast is more of a safe space to have this conversation than me just taking up my Instagram page, you know, talking about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So here we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, David and I have been friends since, twenty-fifteen when we were both single, not successful entrepreneurs.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were just building, like really just trying to figure it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: We met at an auction.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were both being auctioned off at singles.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had a friend in common who was hosting this charity auction and both of us were there to be auctioned off and we met there.
[SPEAKER_00]: We started talking about, you know, what we were working on, what we did, what we were working on, and both of us were working on very similar things.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were both writing books.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were both like hosting vision board parties at the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: We just had a whole lot in common.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was doing it for women and he was doing it for men and women.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we started, you know, conversing from there, we started hosting events together.
[SPEAKER_00]: We just really started to build our friendship and really business relationship because we started partnering on a lot of different things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, you know, he presented himself as being this good guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you see him online on social media, this conversation we're having right now might be shocking to you based on the perception that he puts out there online.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, way back in twenty fifteen, that was how he presented himself offline too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now if you see him, you know, the way that he talks to people, even the, you know, the way that he hosts some of his pie cast,
[SPEAKER_00]: the things that he says to people at his events.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very off-putting.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is very much talking down to people.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is not the David that I knew.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is not who I met in twenty fifteen.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this new persona that he has picked up or maybe it was really hard and underneath.
[SPEAKER_00]: My husband always says, you know, like money exposes who people really are.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe he's just been waiting on an opportunity to talk crazy to people.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's definitely not the person who I, without here, call him bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: for ten years.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we started off just building together, building our own businesses, but then partnering together on a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he would always be very supportive of what I had gone on to the point where he really wanted to know how was I selling so many books, how was I hosting the successful conferences, how was I running this podcast?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I started my podcast back in, you know, twenty-fifteen.
[SPEAKER_00]: So how was I doing all of these things?
[SPEAKER_00]: And me being the friend that I am and I've never been a hater.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like me helping you win is going to make me a loser.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was helping him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was sharing the behind the scenes details.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was talking about how I was putting together these.
[SPEAKER_00]: sold out conferences that I was hosting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was talking about what it took to start and run my podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was sharing all of these things and he was literally just taking notes which was fine to me because I didn't fear competition.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had a different message.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had a different mission and again I was only working with women at the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what it turned into was like a silent competition where he wasn't just being supportive of what I was doing, but he was taking notes on what I was doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was taking notes on what I was doing, and he was trying to duplicate what I was doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I'm still being supportive.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when he wanted to host his first conference, which was the social proof conference,
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what year that was.
[SPEAKER_00]: You all have to go look it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when he wanted to host his first conference, I was supportive of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was giving him suggestions.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was sharing ideas.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hosted a conversation that he had a conversation with Pinkie Cole at the very first social proof conference.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was a part of that event.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was nothing that I wasn't willing to do for my friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so this isn't even a conversation of him.
[SPEAKER_00]: wanting to do what I want to do, and I think I'm the only person who could do this, this ain't that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's using me to try to, you know, get what you can get from me, then later turning it into a completely different scenario and telling people a totally different story.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's laying the foundation.
[SPEAKER_00]: He calls me up.
[SPEAKER_00]: He tells me he wants to start the podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was not a surprise to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: He asked me questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, what should I do about this?
[SPEAKER_00]: How should I do this?
[SPEAKER_00]: on episode like five of the social proof podcast so way back when one of the very first episodes um y'all can go back and watch it check the dates okay check the receipts so no problem you want to start a podcast who cares everybody's starting a podcast and we're friends right I don't care about that more power to you anything I can do to help you I'm willing to help you so that's twenty eighteen fast forward
[SPEAKER_00]: two, twenty, twenty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Both of us get pregnant.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I get pregnant.
[SPEAKER_00]: His wife gets pregnant.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to sit down somewhere because I'm the one, you know, carrying this baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: He can continue on living his good life, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: He don't have to slow down.
[SPEAKER_00]: He don't have to sit down.
[SPEAKER_00]: He don't have to pull over.
[SPEAKER_00]: He don't have to take a pause.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just continuing to press the gas on his podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he might have still been hosting the social proof conference at the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I definitely, and I've talked about this on the podcast before, I definitely feel like having my first baby and then trying to get back up and get into business after, you know, in twenty twenty one after having the baby, it was really a challenge for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it did a, it, it weighed on me heavily in terms of my mental health because as I sat down,
[SPEAKER_00]: my business kind of took a pause and I just wasn't able to work the way that I had previously, you know, before having a baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so when I finally got back up in twenty twenty one, the pie cast industry had totally changed.
[SPEAKER_00]: So by that point, I had taken a break on my pie cast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't recording anymore at that time prior to it was confessions of a work of hallic.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't end up launching girls that playing until twenty twenty two.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I had taken like a year off.
[SPEAKER_00]: from podcasting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in that time, podcasting went from audio only to video.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody has video.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's going into the studio.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's producing these professional podcasts.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it had just the podcasting industry had totally changed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he had kept right up with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he started his podcast on video.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think he ever did audio only.
[SPEAKER_00]: So where he was,
[SPEAKER_00]: in twenty twenty one in terms of with his podcast versus where I was when I wasn't even doing my podcast anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally different places, which again, I'm not a hater.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to hate on anybody for doing well and for being great at what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: To the point where in twenty twenty two when I decided to relaunch or relaunch my pot and start girls that plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was, I invite him to be on the very first episode, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you go back to Girl's Applanet episode one, David is a feature guest on this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he opens up the conversation by talking about unprovoked.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even ask him this.
[SPEAKER_00]: He opens up the conversation, talking about how he just used to sit back and watch the things that I was doing, how I had the blueprint, how, you know, he basically just took my blueprint and ran with it and ran it up basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I'm provoked.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't ask him about that, but it did feel good that he acknowledged the work that I had put in and the creativity that I brought to the industry before everybody was doing all of the things in terms of the podcast, the conference, everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: He modeled, his podcast after my podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: He modeled, his conference after my conference and he was sharing that on my show, episode one.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in my opinion, we're in a good place.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is twenty-twenty-two.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's February, twenty-twenty-two when I launched Girl Stop Plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the summer of twenty-twenty-two, me and David had a meeting.
[SPEAKER_00]: We sat down at some seafood restaurant.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember the name of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to think about it before I hit record.
[SPEAKER_00]: But some seafood restaurant, me and him and his videographer, because he always had the videographer just documenting everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: So me and him and his videographer sat down.
[SPEAKER_00]: I told him I had this, um, event idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wanted to talk to him about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I brought to him an idea of hosting a podcast festival.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it would just be the best thing since vice-pres, you know, I had just gotten back into podcasting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Prior to I had been podcasting for, you know, more than five years.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had a super popular podcast by this point and I just thought based on the fact that we were both podcasting, the fact that he had, you know, started hosting events.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've always been hosting events.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it would be a great way for us to partner again and host this podcast festival together.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's twenty twenty two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well y'all at that time it probably was during this time when I didn't even know it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got pregnant again.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I got pregnant again.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was twenty twenty two summer twenty twenty two.
[SPEAKER_00]: I found out I was pregnant with my second son.
[SPEAKER_00]: By January twenty twenty three.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had reached out to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was hosting this series of podcast workshops and he's I hate this.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know I'm hosting this workshop.
[SPEAKER_00]: do you want to co-host this workshop with me and I'm like well I thought to have this baby and literally the day that he wanted to host the workshop is the day I ended up having my baby so as soon as I had the baby and was you know ready to get back out there I reached out and I'm like yo you know I had the baby if you still want me to co-host a workshop with you I'm available now
[SPEAKER_00]: So we ended up co-hosting this workshop.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say it was in either February or March of twenty twenty three at his event space.
[SPEAKER_00]: We co-host this workshop.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say it was a Monday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hypothetically, it was a Monday.
[SPEAKER_00]: The workshop goes great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Me and him both promoted this workshop.
[SPEAKER_00]: I promoted it to my people.
[SPEAKER_00]: He promoted it to his people.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a joint venture partnership.
[SPEAKER_00]: The very next day.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get an email blast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like everybody else on his email list.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get an email blast announcing the podcast summit that he was hosting in Miami that summer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm looking at my email like, you know, my Scooby-Doo ears went up like, oh, podcast summit.
[SPEAKER_00]: How it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Not only did I not
[SPEAKER_00]: know anything about this podcast summit that my friend is hosting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had just seen him the day before in person in real life.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had conversations.
[SPEAKER_00]: We shooting shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: We talking and he did not mention anything about this podcast summit that he was hosting.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that caught me off guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not only did that caught me off guard, he never
[SPEAKER_00]: once, like from twenty-two and three till two day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Never once mentioned to me about this podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a never came back and was like, hey, I thought that idea you had was great and I decided to do it on my own, or hey, I decided that I'm gonna host this podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a, do you wanna partner with me on it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to co-host it with me?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you wanna be a part of it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you wanna tick it to the event?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he didn't mention it at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which to me,
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the first time that I felt like, okay, this is shady.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because not only did we sit down and have a whole meeting, this wasn't just, like, I sent him a text like, hey, let's have a podcast event and then we never talked about it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we had a whole meeting.
[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about ideas.
[SPEAKER_00]: We connected with event planners, got price quotes for people to help us host this conference, and then the conversation just kind of fizzled out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he decided to pick it back up and do it on his own and never mentioned it to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was, I don't even know if shady is the correct word, but that made me feel some type of way.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was the very first inkling that he's being shady.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if that wasn't bad enough, I start seeing more promo materials come out because the first it was just like a flyer with him on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I start seeing the speakers who are going to be at this event.
[SPEAKER_00]: The, you know, the other people who are being featured, the people who's partner with and some of these people
[SPEAKER_00]: don't even have podcasts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of these people seemed very out of place to be speaking at a podcast event and I'm thinking to myself, this is twenty twenty three.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I had started my podcast eight years ago at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, I'm pretty qualified.
[SPEAKER_00]: to speak at this podcast even that my friend is hosting, but he hasn't even mentioned it to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: That seems kind of odd.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't know if it's the Libra in me or it's just my personality type, but I don't chase, I don't big, like if
[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't want me to be a part of it, if you didn't invite me, I'm not going to show up.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm not coming to the party as a plus one when I know that my presence is in one of there.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is just not how I roll.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was never going to mention it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we was just going, I guess never talk again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were just wasn't going to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But every time I came across my timeline, I was getting annoyed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every time he announced in his speaker, it was pissing me off.
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, I wasn't going to say nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you ain't going to say nothing, good luck to you, this is just what it's going to be, I guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the meantime, his baby has a birthday party.
[SPEAKER_00]: I go to the birthday party and that summer.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, May.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mother's Day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mother's Day, it's twenty twenty three.
[SPEAKER_00]: I randomly get a voice note from David and he's pouring his heart out about how he's so glad we're friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's so happy to
[SPEAKER_00]: have me in his life and y'all y'all y'all all this whining he's doing on his voice note which I don't like whining men anyway so that made me feel a little grossed out because get off of my line with this whining but it felt like he felt a little guilty so I responded back to him and I'm like wow this this message is coming out of the blue like I thought we were beefing and that's when I mentioned the conference it was Mother's Day
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I thought we were beefing, because I see this conference you got going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And did you forget about me?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what happened?
[SPEAKER_00]: How did I not know about this?
[SPEAKER_00]: How did you not tell me about this?
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what opened up the can of worms for me to talk about the conference.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because why are you on my phone talking about you so happy to have me as a friend when you're not acting very friendly?
[SPEAKER_00]: So that pissed him off, that pissed him off and I don't even think that he responded.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even think he responded to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Goes on and hosts the starts hosting these webinars.
[SPEAKER_00]: He started hosting these webinars that were basically promos for the conference.
[SPEAKER_00]: So y'all, while he's promoting this conference and hosting these webinars to people who want to start a podcast and who would potentially about to get to his podcast summit, he uses me as an example of someone whose podcast he helps start.
[SPEAKER_00]: He literally talks about the fact that when we met,
[SPEAKER_00]: which this is true.
[SPEAKER_00]: When we met, I was bartending at Magic City and he presented the story in such a way that made it seem like he helped me become successful and start my business and start my podcast so that I could get out of this bartending job at Magic City.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now that pissed me off for a number of reasons.
[SPEAKER_00]: Number one because it just absolutely was not true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Number two because I started my podcast in twenty fifteen.
[SPEAKER_00]: He started his podcast three days, three years later.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's literally the math aim math and the timeline just does not check out.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way he helped me sign my podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the other reason why I was pissed off is because they nobody get me about a magic city, but my man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, my man came along and was like, no girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me put a deadline on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: for you to get up out of here and you're going to work your business.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not about to be bartending in magic City.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was my man who did that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and David ain't never been my man.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for him to take credit and lie, completely fabricate this story publicly and use my name.
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't just say I helped somebody that was a bartender.
[SPEAKER_00]: He literally said Cory L and there's only one of me.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's only one.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the way that the Lord works, like the way that I even found out about this, the fact that someone came back and shared this with me, it was just crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when I found that out, I went from being indifferent about the situation to being completely pissed off.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's nothing that, well, there's, I don't want to say nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it pisses me off for people to take credit for things that they did not create.
[SPEAKER_00]: and for anybody to say that they put me on or saved me or even help me start absolutely not the case.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's nobody out there that can say that and be truthful.
[SPEAKER_00]: So at this point, I'm like, okay, I'm about to, you already pissed me off every time you come across my timeline.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I find out that you out here lying on me.
[SPEAKER_00]: The very next time I saw a post of his, I just said, this is it and I hit on follow, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm following him on social media.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you all know less than, I don't know, a week later, he's in my DM's asking me if I've unfollowed him on purpose.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I simply write back yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: All caps yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: No further explanation, no long text, no wine invoice note, just yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because at this point,
[SPEAKER_00]: If you do not understand that you can't play with me offline and think that I'm about to pretend with you online, there's nothing else for us to talk about.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that you even noticed that I unfollow you.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that you cared enough to reach out to ask me about unfollowing you, but you didn't care enough to reach out to make it right with this podcast conference that you stole this idea of mine that you stole and ran off into the sense that with
[SPEAKER_00]: But you care so much about me following on Instagram.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that just showed me who he was in such a different light that this is what you care about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you care so much about this online persona that you don't like it completely overshadows how you're treating people offline.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not who with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that led to him going on to his podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never listened to this episode, but my husband came across it somehow and talking about me talking about this friend that he had that I followed him and painting the picture.
[SPEAKER_00]: that he don't have no idea why.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why she unfollowed me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what her problem is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he just completely pretended like I was just mad for no reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: Never took any accountability.
[SPEAKER_00]: Never addressed the fact that he has sat down with me and discussed this idea and decided to do it without me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then didn't include me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like never any accountability about what could have possibly went wrong or led up to this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just painted himself to be a victim of this friend that just unfollowed him for no reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was way back in, in the twenty twenty three.
[SPEAKER_00]: And here we are in twenty twenty five.
[SPEAKER_00]: I finally stopped blaming myself for being stupid, blaming myself for being betrayed, feeling like I should have saw it coming, feeling like, I really be thinking I have good discernment, but sometimes that
[SPEAKER_00]: don't be hit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, clearly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still let these people get a close to me and fake friendships for years.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my adopted auntie who had been on the pot several times, she saw the post bringing y'all back up to speed to this like last week.
[SPEAKER_00]: She saw the post that had gone viral basically at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: on Instagram and she reshared it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she shared it and then she called me up and she's like, I know you're going to share that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you need to share that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to stop suffering in silence.
[SPEAKER_00]: People need to know what he's, you know, really out here doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that just got me to thinking about how many other areas of my life where I've just kind of been quiet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've sat on my feelings, I've let people get away with things because I don't have this type of personality to air you out.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as my good sis, I need to say, and I'm about to start airing these folks out like a blowout.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm about to start really sharing when people do me wrong because as I did decide to share,
[SPEAKER_00]: I was flooded with more messages from people who are like yo I felt the same way or this has happened to me or I have you know been in a situation like this or thank you for telling me I thought something was all thank you for telling me I've been blindly supporting him thank you for telling me I you know started following him through you years ago like so many people reached out that were supportive of me sharing that I really felt like a weight have been lifted and so
[SPEAKER_00]: tired of being a bigger person while other people get to sit around and do you dirty because the same way he's gotten away with doing me dirty he's out here doing other people dirty who don't have platforms don't have podcasts to be able to share their experience or their story and so I say all that to say
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes you can't get closure because you've been keeping quiet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And people continue to get away with their trifling, toxic behavior because you're so busy trying to be the bigger person.
[SPEAKER_00]: But after I'm out to be slim and Trump, maybe I am about to be slim and trim.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not being the bigger person anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you do me wrong, if you play in my face, you will have to pay for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I rest well knowing that Karma always collects.
[SPEAKER_00]: that I don't have to be personally.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to do anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't ever have to say another word to him, but to intentionally betray someone who thought they were your friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: Something's gotta come from that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'ma just be waiting in the wing.
[SPEAKER_00]: watching low-key to see when karma collects.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you have dealt with something similar, if you've been betrayed, if you feel like you're determined, have let you down, or if you just needed this reminder to trust your gut to make sure you are holding people accountable who are playing with you, then hopefully you are feeling encouraged to put your big girl panties on and stop letting people play in your face.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's time to
[SPEAKER_00]: break the silence and stop protecting the people who have been praying on you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Regardless of how paid they are, regardless of how popular they are, regardless of popular opinion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes you just, you can get a little clarity.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can get a little closure by clearing them out, by clearing that closet out.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel better.
[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate y'all for listening and I'll catch you on the next episode.