[SPEAKER_05]: It's political.
[SPEAKER_11]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_11]: You think it's a part where you are, the politics part.
[SPEAKER_05]: Shotsmith, Pearson, Jodie Helton.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Monday.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Labor Day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you by the way for joining Jody.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I had Jody.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you doing today?
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, meaning with my brother-in-law.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's Israel.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is a need of.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're very glad you are in the bar with us here on Monday.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you are coming to us from WCPT AMA-Twenty Chicago.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she's talking about baseball and grappy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, Jody, this was hilarious.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were talking a little bit of baseball, simply because, you know, it's that time of year.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is a ton of sports going on right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: MLB, WNBA, the NBA Big Three for those people who really like basketball, NASCAR, golf, NFL, and the US Open as well as college volleyball and college football.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're big into sports, I understand you having a coma having a problem because you are not not getting any sleep.
[SPEAKER_02]: I totally understand that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, I'm bummed out because we were talking, you're a giant's fan, Joan.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's hard being a giant's fan and living in New York.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, I mean, they used to live here, but that's before I was traveling.
[SPEAKER_14]: You know, yeah, it was just it was very hard.
[SPEAKER_14]: Um, uh, during COVID that there was a really great giants bar that we used to go to that close, although they just opened.
[SPEAKER_14]: So my daughter and I have been trying to pick a time to go watch a game there because that's always really.
[SPEAKER_14]: So anyway, yeah, it's I miss it.
[SPEAKER_14]: I don't know what I what I do with all the time that I used to spend on and I would go to like forty games a year.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it that the Nats have sucked this year, but I'm very glad because my one of my favorite sports college volleyball is back Nebraska had two games over the weekend and
[SPEAKER_02]: Smoked in both because they're number one.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I just, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, look, I love cheering for great women.
[SPEAKER_02]: I happened to be surrounded in the bar right now by two fantastic women, two brilliant women, which is excellent.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's this ugly subject that is going on everywhere in the country right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, Trump is trying to do this fascist takeover.
[SPEAKER_02]: And thankfully, you got people like Pritzker.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got, uh, government more who's been doing some good stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, you've got Governor Newsome.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got hoaxle.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got a lot of people and a lot of judges, a lot of individual people as well, showing up in all kinds of ways to stop this stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you wrote a good piece that was in the nation and we put it happen to be in the news on tap today.
[SPEAKER_02]: We put it right there about is Trump's DC military deployment, the start of a slow motion civil war.
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe you can elaborate a little bit for the people who maybe haven't read it or maybe missed some of the discussions that you talk about in that piece.
[SPEAKER_14]: Well, yeah, I was just really struck.
[SPEAKER_14]: You know, it wasn't bad enough that he was, you know, taking over control of the DC National Guard, which he can do.
[SPEAKER_14]: I mean, you know, he's using a ridiculous pretext.
[SPEAKER_14]: There's no emergency, but he can do it, right?
[SPEAKER_14]: And then he's inviting other states and they just so happened to be red states.
[SPEAKER_14]: So happened to be
[SPEAKER_14]: old Confederate states like South Carolina, which started the real civil war, right?
[SPEAKER_14]: So it just was kind of hard for me to miss that that rhyming or whatever you want to call it.
[SPEAKER_14]: historical echo and the idea that these, you know, red state governors were enjoying the notion of that they had some control over, you know, our nation's capital, which is also a heavily black city with a black mayor, a lot of black leadership.
[SPEAKER_07]: like my mayor, Mayor Bass, and like the mayor of Chicago, and let's keep going with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you notice of all the cities that he keeps targeting, they happen to be either women or African-American or Asian, like Boston, Michelle Wu.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're all the, and they're all Democrats, many of them are in Democratic states, and yet it's been presented any number of times.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a good notice piece.
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw over the weekend as well that it talks about how, you know, here's all these other red states that are much higher crime.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yet, no, no, no, no, no, he's not targeting any of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not going in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, Diana.
[SPEAKER_02]: Big tie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_14]: Easy.
[SPEAKER_14]: And a little rock, you know.
[SPEAKER_14]: Sarah Huckett Sanders was.
[SPEAKER_14]: It's all right now, you know, a little rock and all of Arkansas.
[SPEAKER_14]: Terrible crime going on there, but but this is we know this is political and this is about control.
[SPEAKER_14]: This is about authoritarianism and getting us in blue cities used to.
[SPEAKER_14]: what it looks like to have military vehicles on the streets.
[SPEAKER_14]: And a lot of it is really just an extension of their immigration actions.
[SPEAKER_14]: That's the main thing there's doing in DC.
[SPEAKER_14]: But I just think that there's something my daughter
[SPEAKER_14]: And son and law live in Columbia Heights.
[SPEAKER_14]: There's been a lot of activism in Columbia Heights, very proud.
[SPEAKER_14]: But you know, it's scary to me as a mother.
[SPEAKER_14]: I'm not, you know, reassure like, oh, it's safer.
[SPEAKER_14]: I think that the, you know, the potential for.
[SPEAKER_14]: just possibly inopportune or accidental conflict and gunfire, it's just also, everybody so inexperienced in doing, you know, you just don't know what to expect and, you know,
[SPEAKER_14]: It's obviously the worst for the immigrants who they're grabbing off the streets.
[SPEAKER_14]: But the whole thing seems, you know, very scary.
[SPEAKER_14]: And also, you know, I listened to him ramble today.
[SPEAKER_14]: I don't know how I, how I stood it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have taken to calling him Grampi.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this isn't an insult necessarily to anybody who has aged under their belt, I believe, is the French translated.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the fact of the matter is, he's got problems.
[SPEAKER_02]: My mom was a nurse.
[SPEAKER_02]: She wanted to be a nurse since the time she was four.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she was a nurse for most of her life.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's retired now.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I asked her about the hands thing, because you know, he, everybody's been a lot of kids.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: And it looks like IV stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's exactly my mom said.
[SPEAKER_02]: My mom said, she said, here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And my mom, when I was little, she did geriatrics.
[SPEAKER_02]: Most of her life, she did the NICU, the nursery, babies, and that kind of thing, labor and delivery, some of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when I was a little kid, she did geriatrics.
[SPEAKER_02]: So obviously, one of the core areas that she focused on.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she says, so here's the thing, people have been pointing out his cancels, his inflated ankles.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then pointing out the pictures where his hands and his wrists are swollen on top of which what they said when they released the little minor medical stuff that they did, and they said that he has a problem with his veins, basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, all of this, when you add all of that up and they're trying to hide if they are actually using IVs, she says all of this does indicate some type of potential heart issues, potential heart failure.
[SPEAKER_07]: And he's talking about whether or not he can get into heaven all of a sudden.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And my mom is not going there by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he's not.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it is one of those things where you look at it in, you know, my mom, like I said, she's medical professional.
[SPEAKER_02]: She says, uh, she says, he's got, he's got worse medical issues than they're letting on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's true.
[SPEAKER_14]: I think that's got to be true.
[SPEAKER_14]: I think it is, too.
[SPEAKER_14]: And they're starting to even let on that there is something going on.
[SPEAKER_14]: So, you know it.
[SPEAKER_14]: You could tell it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could tell it today in his meeting.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, so this is something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Judging, I were talking about as we were open up the bar today.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, in his meeting today with South Korean President Lee.
[SPEAKER_02]: Before the meeting, Grapey Trump decided to claim that there was a purge or a revolution of some kind going on in South Korea.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was before the meeting, which you're like, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: During the meeting, he's doing one of his streams of bragging about crap.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he says, while the president of South Korea is there, he starts bragging about his great relationship with Kim Jong-un, who was the president of North Korea in front of the president of South Korea.
[SPEAKER_14]: I'm not exactly allies, not, not buddies.
[SPEAKER_07]: And wasn't the old president of South Korea impeached within like a minute?
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, it was a great idea.
[SPEAKER_07]: And his wife is now been arrested as well.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, yeah, it was absolutely ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a big clue.
[SPEAKER_02]: We actually, we've got this clip because he mentions that he's not a dictator.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty sure this is the clip where he's, he's mentioned.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's a, he's a, he's a, not without the taker for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: but here's here's the thing um uh he also talks about uh oh the Biden partens this is the one so he was talking about the Biden partens which a lot of people knocked down and said Biden didn't need to do the partens Biden shouldn't have done the partens Trump blasts that and then he says something telling that goes along with what we've been saying about him failing here let me let me give you a listen general put it on the DVR here as partens that he gave
[SPEAKER_00]: to some very bad people, very unpatriotic people, very evil people.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks to me like, those partners are worthless, because number one you shouldn't use an auto-pan, very specifically.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you do, it has to be a very good reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they have to know that the President wanted it, that the President didn't want this.
[SPEAKER_00]: The President didn't know he was alive, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: He never approved any of this stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't for open borders and all the other thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was never for open borders.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've known Biden a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was never very sharp, but he was never in favor of open borders.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I literally saw the look on your face.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: You looked at Joe to give when she heard that clip to Joe.
[SPEAKER_07]: So Joe Biden was never for open borders.
[SPEAKER_07]: Hi, every, hi, Christie, the puppy killer.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm high.
[SPEAKER_07]: Everybody talking about the open borders.
[SPEAKER_07]: Hey, Jake, tap right there.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I know it.
[SPEAKER_07]: And the auto pen, so Donald actually signed sixteen hundred partens?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[SPEAKER_14]: These are the rules.
[SPEAKER_14]: Go ahead.
[SPEAKER_14]: The rules don't apply to him.
[SPEAKER_14]: And logic doesn't apply to him.
[SPEAKER_14]: And, you know, he's not held to the same standards of, you know, normal
[SPEAKER_14]: Oration, um, you know, he was also bragging that there haven't been any murders in the last seven days.
[SPEAKER_14]: DC on multiple times has gone six days, fourteen days without murderers.
[SPEAKER_14]: It's not like there's no.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he keeps changing the number of wars that he stopped.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I did six.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I did ten.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, what are you trying to try to do?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not well.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, so in case you missed it Friday night in the Saturday, did you see that Jodie?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, about all of the Trump stuff people saying Trump was dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: My brain is going like, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say
[SPEAKER_02]: We're back on Labor Day Monday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully you have had a very good Labor Day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully you had something good to drink or you did something like Jody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jody, who did you see over Labor Day weekend?
[SPEAKER_07]: My brother-in-law and my sister-in-law.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and then Friday nights.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just the other way.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I saw house barks and Brian Karam.
[SPEAKER_02]: Excellent.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have both of them here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much by the way for getting this absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, by the way, thank you also to WCPTA MA-Twenty.
[SPEAKER_02]: AM-Nine-Fifty Minneapolis St.
[SPEAKER_02]: Paul, America-One Radio and Atlanta, the Detour Talk and Tennessee, or Progressive Voices Radio, whatever you happen to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, of course, thank you to all of those future people.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are kind of future people right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are recording this so we are taking a day off as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we did have a very good interview with Carlos Alzrocky on August twelfth talking about baseball and Taylor Swift.
[SPEAKER_02]: No kidding.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're both great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_17]: I just got out of the restroom where Lindsey Graham was crying on the stall.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's complaining that they won't let me in, I'd say this won't let me in, I'd say that I wasn't tough enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: You realize what Lindsey Graham's favorite thing, favorite athletic related thing is to do, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Playing for on the red deed.
[SPEAKER_07]: He likes to rack balls.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, he likes to go golfing with Trump.
[SPEAKER_02]: Trump says that Lindsey Graham is his favorite ball washer.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking a little sports in the break.
[SPEAKER_02]: Your giants are not exactly doing the greatest.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, my Nash.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think my national's beat your giants the other day, but two out of three.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which was a shock for me since the the nationals are doing well.
[SPEAKER_17]: Jody's team Dodgers is she that she's just sitting here smiling with the drink and her ring chasers man Dave Roberts could take a month off and I I can go in the dugout and they'd have the same record
[SPEAKER_17]: I just go put the good guy in, take the bad guy out, put the better guy in, put that all started.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're saying, so you're saying, Dave Roberts, the manager of the judge has a very good guy in the league.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very, very good job.
[SPEAKER_02]: Possibly only slightly related to Taylor's boyfriend.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of my thought.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, John's Kelsey.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you saw she's got a new album coming out and she went, she went on the Kelsey Brothers podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: to her album, which I'm like, that's just gotta be it.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you didn't know that Taylor Swift was, I felt she's thirty five.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's not thirty four.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you didn't know that she was thirty five and you said, okay, okay, be president now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh God, that would be great.
[SPEAKER_02]: President Taylor Swift.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you didn't know that that she was her age and you just said, oh my God, so there's this pop princess and she went on her boyfriend's show.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has a little podcast and he's like big in the football team.
[SPEAKER_02]: You would be thinking that they're the same age as your high school age kid Carlos.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's the art that she's playing to.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, she's very young at heart.
[SPEAKER_17]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_17]: She's very she knows how to capture that in a bottle at thirty five and I love it, you know, as opposed to going on Joe Rogan or the Greg Gutfield show.
[SPEAKER_17]: Gutfield.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_17]: Good on her and Travis Kelsey's wife have a very successful or still does have that very.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, she doesn't know what she tells us wife.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's Jason Kelsey's wife has has a good podcast over on serious XM.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's in the top ten of podcasts.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the Kelsey's.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, they seem to be just generally good folks as far as that goes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mama Kelsey seems to have her feet on the ground.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems to be, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have anything against.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some people, they want to know everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would just like Taylor and Travis to be happy, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just, I mean, they seem to be good folks.
[SPEAKER_02]: They seem to be willing to help people out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's standing up to the king, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so yeah, so talking about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which which version of standing up to the king?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to hear about more Carlos?
[SPEAKER_02]: The the folk standing up to Trump with the from DC and LA with the Posse Comitatist stuff or maybe the redistricting wars and people standing up to that jackass Abbott because all I got
[SPEAKER_17]: I do like the redistricting more as you know because he's he's trying to get more seats with Democrats just to do ten more do this not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, you did you hear that we actually we actually have that dumb ass.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was he was on with Jake.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tapper last night and he was talking about well here let me connect the Texas moron talk.
[SPEAKER_12]: Well, to be clear, listen, all those big blue states, they've already jerrymandered.
[SPEAKER_12]: Look at the map of Illinois.
[SPEAKER_12]: Look at the map of California, New York and Massachusetts and so many other blue states.
[SPEAKER_12]: They jerrymandered a long time ago.
[SPEAKER_12]: They got nothing left with regard to what they can do.
[SPEAKER_12]: And know this, if California tries to jerrymander five more districts, listen, Texas has the ability to eliminate ten Democrats in our state.
[SPEAKER_12]: We can play that game more than they can because they have fewer Republican districts in their states.
[SPEAKER_17]: hold, you have to be, if you're in a wheelchair and you're still that evil.
[SPEAKER_17]: You wouldn't have some grace after something like that happened in your life.
[SPEAKER_17]: You wouldn't, you wouldn't.
[SPEAKER_17]: Isn't there an angel that comes to you and go, we're sorry this happened to you, but you can live your life as a calm, beautiful, kind soul.
[SPEAKER_17]: No, I'm still going to be made.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: My wife is handicapped.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've met some people who are disabled and some are very nice, but some people, whether they are disabled or whether they are whatever their thing is, some people are just A holes and Greg Abbott is one of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's also a moron because of the fact that so we've got a piece that's in the news on tap today where you can actually check out the math
[SPEAKER_02]: yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: No joke.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's called more states on both sides consider rejoining the redistricting war launched by Trump counting the possibilities by the numbers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you can add them up.
[SPEAKER_02]: If Democrats like out in California, like in New York, like in Illinois, if Democrats go whole hog and they pick up every seat that they can and Republicans in Florida and Ohio and Texas, they go whole hog and they pick up all the seats they can.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was telling Joe to you this in the first hour.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did the math.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to how many seats each side picks up Carlos?
[SPEAKER_02]: It ends up with a net zero gain.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody gains.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you know this and you know that Greg Abbott has to have people who can add two and two and get four around him.
[SPEAKER_02]: and they're telling him this.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's doing this to try to be the biggest jerk.
[SPEAKER_02]: So then he can go, well, no, I'm bigger and tougher.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you're not.
[SPEAKER_02]: We all can do math, Jack.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yes?
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, I think they're counting on the Democrats not fighting until the end, which is what we are want to do, but this time seems different.
[SPEAKER_17]: There is this.
[SPEAKER_17]: Good Gavin Newsson's in the Pritzkers and in New York, and there is people like Jasmine Crocket that are like, no.
[SPEAKER_17]: We're ready for this.
[SPEAKER_17]: We're going to go toe to toe and make you drag it all the way out till we get to that even number of people.
[SPEAKER_17]: And you will then be able to convince the people that it was a waste of time.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_17]: And they're willing to drag it out on their side because it avoids them talking about the Epstein files.
[SPEAKER_17]: But that's too.
[SPEAKER_17]: I think we're more dog on the bone this year with redistricting and with Epstein.
[SPEAKER_17]: We're not letting go of either.
[SPEAKER_17]: And that's a good sign.
[SPEAKER_07]: Because in your favorite Westmore might do it too.
[SPEAKER_17]: I'm waiting for West West.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's come on and made some videos where he's like because of course Trump denied him FEMA eight after the flooding that they had.
[SPEAKER_17]: Right.
[SPEAKER_17]: I think West is going to jump into the fray and that's important.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know that's a DC area of the bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know that's so I mean I hear you know you get a little bit more coverage from him because he's just up the road on the Maryland side of the of the DC area.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, we have been hearing a lot more of West kind of, you know, banging the stick around the garbage can as it were trying to get their attention.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm glad he is.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this one came out today.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was so happy with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was online literally when this dropped.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was one of the first people to repost it over on Blue Sky.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Zornman Tammy has a new ad out today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to play it because he's hitting Cuomo in multiple different directions.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is, this is hilarious.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here, link play it.
[SPEAKER_18]: Four years ago, Andrew Cuomo resigned in disgrace, and you probably know why.
[SPEAKER_18]: To pay for Cuomo's services, here refuses to say, but what journalists have been able to piece together is trouble.
[SPEAKER_18]: An April Bloomberg revealed that Cuomo advised a cryptocurrency exchange based in the safe shelves as it faced federal investigations.
[SPEAKER_18]: Then in May, political reported that Cuomo failed to disclose two-point-six million dollars in stock options to the New York City Complex of interest.
[SPEAKER_18]: These excuse?
[SPEAKER_18]: The stocks were technically owned by
[SPEAKER_18]: innovation strategies LLC, of which is the sole purpose.
[SPEAKER_18]: Finally, in June, the New York Times uncovered that Cuomo had worked with his long-time friend Andrew Farkis on a luxury marina project in Puerto Rico.
[SPEAKER_18]: Farkis' previous partner on luxury marina's in the Caribbean?
[SPEAKER_18]: Jeffrey Epstein.
[SPEAKER_18]: That's the thing about Andrew Cole.
[SPEAKER_18]: Once you think you found out about all of the scandals, you find out about enough.
[SPEAKER_18]: And then another.
[SPEAKER_18]: And then probably another.
[SPEAKER_18]: But if my friend, the disgraced former governor of the state of New York, feels that's unfair.
[SPEAKER_18]: How do you think release your client list?
[SPEAKER_18]: Four years ago.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, and I love that it's him.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's not a spokesperson.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's him.
[SPEAKER_17]: He's very eloquent.
[SPEAKER_17]: He's very educated.
[SPEAKER_17]: I think he's gonna win unless something nefarious happens like it does in Russia.
[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, second story window, which is to the point, which is where we're getting now.
[SPEAKER_17]: And really, somebody pointed out like, we're ignoring the fact that two Minnesota legislators got shot and killed.
[SPEAKER_17]: And that's just not even a story.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a story for a few days, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_17]: I mean, that is, it is.
[SPEAKER_17]: When you talk about what's his name, Big Balls, or whatever, getting old, car jack, he's probably not letting his hair's a mess.
[SPEAKER_17]: Excuse me.
[SPEAKER_17]: Why didn't you send the State Troopers to Minnesota right after this happened?
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, because they were Democrats and we all know that's why Trump didn't send them.
[SPEAKER_02]: We all know that's why Trump didn't send anybody there.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, but I love it's mom Donnie.
[SPEAKER_17]: Is it my pronounce in that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_17]: Mom Donnie is doing a New York.
[SPEAKER_17]: I love that he seems to be grassroots and people are supporting him.
[SPEAKER_17]: And even Joe Walsh, the former Republican who's he goes, listen, listen, I'm a new Democrat and y'all are just getting way too picky.
[SPEAKER_17]: Cory Booker.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm one of the people who has been, you know, dog and Cory for a long time and saying, dude, I know you can get angry and he doesn't feel like he can.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he actually was it two weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two weeks ago yesterday, I think it was was when he was on the floor in the Senate and just raise and hell about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God, Claire McCaskell went on MSNBC and was like, Oh, I can't believe the Cory was doing that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was so.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, no, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was actually very appropriate because Democrats don't have a whole lot of power in the Senate or the House right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not a whole lot they can do.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what he could do was shake people up with a big huge thing, pissing off some of his own fellow Democratic senators and then doing the thing that I think he should have done originally, which is not voting for any more of Trump's nominees, which I'm like.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm with you that I think Corey could do more and I have I have said such.
[SPEAKER_02]: But but I also am glad that he's doing what he could that the now he's like, you know what we're done.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's that's the kind of thing that you're seeing Democrats all over the place at the local level at the state level.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're seeing go like mom Danny and they're saying enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have had enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I'm glad that's that's what people who vote for Democrats whether the Democrats independence or non Trump Republicans.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what we want.
[SPEAKER_17]: We are our our our elected leaders to stand up and say we've had it with this crap big tent and I kind of like when we've discussed this on to any Miller regarding people to change or even not to some extent
[SPEAKER_17]: Gavin Newsom that there's a little bit of pushback on sort of super left agenda that if you don't agree to this, we won't vote for your support.
[SPEAKER_17]: Well, Pete Buttigieg doesn't care.
[SPEAKER_17]: I want to, I want to have new ones conversation.
[SPEAKER_17]: I want to see what's fair regarding these issues, not something that's strictly agenda based.
[SPEAKER_17]: And when you protest vote after a primary, you get project twenty twenty five.
[SPEAKER_17]: And that's something that the Democratic Party has to drill into.
[SPEAKER_17]: Do not vote for the least.
[SPEAKER_17]: you have to vote for the best chance to stop project twenty-point after the primary for the primary vote Peter Pan who's pro everything that your pro right once we've established who's the nominee is they are mathematically the best chance to stop what's going on now so you go all in as you say you save you save the hive it's pragmatism is not complicity it's that's what they need to draw home so if you don't like moundani because you don't like how he's responding to Israel or whatever
[SPEAKER_17]: suck it up right suck it up because Trump is worse, Trump is giving that in Yahoo as you said the go ahead to just like can you put a gold curse in there for me?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's from property exactly you vote with your heart in the primary you vote right head in the general because that's
[SPEAKER_02]: That's exciting to say that all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Randy Rhodes was right about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's exactly it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But look, we've talked about this kind of thing before.
[SPEAKER_02]: Joe, you and I, especially, that there's some things that knew some has done that we're not exactly thrilled with.
[SPEAKER_07]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: But.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if the choice was Gavin Newsom, or, or, or fans, or fans, oh yeah, hundred percent in a hot minute, I would be voting for Newsom.
[SPEAKER_17]: I remember this, David Aldridge is a former NBA contributor, whatever on Twitter.
[SPEAKER_17]: And when Kamal was running and I was suggesting Westmore, he wrote back to me and said, do you know that if you nominated Westmore over Kamal Harris, how many black women wouldn't vote for him?
[SPEAKER_17]: And I'm like, that's the freaking problem.
[SPEAKER_17]: Everybody has a demand.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's like, that you cannot do that.
[SPEAKER_17]: I do.
[SPEAKER_17]: You have to put, you have to win.
[SPEAKER_17]: You love this, your sports guy, Hermedward.
[SPEAKER_02]: You play to win the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: We agree, I think, Jodi, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: No purity tests?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, those suck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, look, I mean, we can accept all kinds of people here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe you saw him just the other day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did Brian Kerem.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brian Kerem.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had him here in the studio on July fifteen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brian Kerem coming up next on the politics bar.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Jody, when you saw Brian just the other night at House Park show, you said he was kind of geeked up to see your money.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, he was like, you're a musician.
[SPEAKER_07]: I would like to play with you.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then I made him do his broadening danger field stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Too funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but then did Lonnie turn to him and say the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_07]: He did not, unfortunately, I shouldn't have made him do that.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, no, no, it was so amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right now, Brian Carrum here at the politics bar from July, fifteenth.
[SPEAKER_02]: My contention has been for years that there needs to be a set of industry standards and practices that is a minimum set for what's allowed to call itself news.
[SPEAKER_02]: Other nations, other nations have similar things like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't, because look, I don't care if you want to be Fox or if you want to be, you know, one of these right-wing BS podcasters who throw out all the garbage, you want to do that, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just shouldn't be allowed to be called news.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're breaking the first amendment then.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can do, you just can't call it news.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's kind of free speech means free speech.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_10]: And you label it what you want.
[SPEAKER_10]: My concern is more of, I cannot define a journalist.
[SPEAKER_10]: You're acting as a journalist if you're out, you witness an event and they put you on TV and go, what did you speak?
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, I saw this car crash in the guy jumped out and shot him and then this other guy ran and then the tree fell down and then came out.
[SPEAKER_10]: You're acting as a journalist reflecting back to facts.
[SPEAKER_10]: You're an eyewitness.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's an act of journalism.
[SPEAKER_10]: Are you a journalist?
[SPEAKER_10]: Probably not.
[SPEAKER_10]: You're probably a witness.
[SPEAKER_10]: So I can define journalism.
[SPEAKER_10]: I don't want it to find what a journalist is because any one of us at any point in our time can be a journalist.
[SPEAKER_10]: But what I do want to define is I want vetted factual information.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm tired of journalists telling me they're going to tell me the truth.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, there are ten thousand religions on this planet, all of them have their own damn truth.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'll be happy if you can provide me that did factual information, not alternative facts, not what your opinion is about what the facts are, with telling me what to think.
[SPEAKER_10]: If you're going to write an opinion, I label all of my opinions as commentary or opinion.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: And by the way, if you want to be a opinion writer,
[SPEAKER_10]: In least ten years of experience or enough experience that you know what you're talking about, not somebody fresh off the Chu Chu who has no clue what they're doing, offering the feet of opinion about what's going on in the White House.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: I would love it.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think I'd go back to bin back Dickie in as a journalist.
[SPEAKER_10]: And I think this should be he is a former editor at the Washington Post who said at the end of paraphrasing.
[SPEAKER_10]: You said at the end of the day,
[SPEAKER_10]: Your responsibility is not to your boss, it isn't to your editor, it isn't to your friends, it's not even to your career.
[SPEAKER_10]: Your responsibility is to the public.
[SPEAKER_10]: Now, if we would remember that when we're in the White House press briefing room or when we're covering events, I feel much better about reporters.
[SPEAKER_10]: The problem in this country is that we have on the national level, six or seven countries that own and operate everything that about ninety to ninety five percent of us see read.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, we're here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Six or seven companies do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_10]: That you have to break up the medium and opalies.
[SPEAKER_10]: You have to provide slap suit protection and slap or strategic lawsuits against public participation, which is what Donald Trump did to CBS.
[SPEAKER_10]: He threatened Paramount because he knows what that was a BS lawsuit and it would not have settled for Donald Trump.
[SPEAKER_02]: and a whole bear called it last night on air, a bribe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Me took his own company.
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, I've said that.
[SPEAKER_10]: If you, if what went down had gone down in a back alley, you would have called a coercion in a bribe.
[SPEAKER_10]: But it happened in court witnessed by a judge.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: And it's legal.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's still what it is.
[SPEAKER_10]: It was a bribe to Donald Trump.
[SPEAKER_10]: So he would, so Sherry Redstone could sell off, you know, Paramount.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_10]: that you need strategic lawsuits against public participation protection.
[SPEAKER_10]: You need to bust up the media monopolies.
[SPEAKER_10]: And here's something else.
[SPEAKER_10]: There are forty five percent of the county.
[SPEAKER_10]: This is by a study done at the University of Chicago.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think it was a medial school journalism done by Paul Perry, former writer at the Washington Post.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, four to five percent of the counties in the United States do not have local news coverage anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: And any more of those, there is vast news deserts, where there's no community journalism.
[SPEAKER_10]: In those counties, Donald Trump in the last election, one, ninety-one percent of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: And in some cases, by a landslide.
[SPEAKER_10]: We need tax protection for small businesses, tax incentives, you need low interest loans, you need public support.
[SPEAKER_10]: I have testified in legislatures across this country about protecting those small community newspapers by making sure that you have public service notices, public service ads that they've all tried to eliminate and put on government
[SPEAKER_10]: websites.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: And you need them to be provided by a third party source.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's us.
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: So we can go in and hack and change everything.
[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, we know to find you.
[SPEAKER_10]: No, you didn't write you your stuff on online.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're doing this.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're doing the exact same thing with the climate stuff that they are legally requiring to put out now and saying it's supposed to be a. Well, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not going to break the loan.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: You know, and we need newspapers.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm sorry, you know, I love the internet, but newspapers and here's how I've testified in legislatures and imports on that.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'll pick up an eighteen, fifty-five first edition Montgomery County Sentinel and hold it up and you know, I was managing that while it was the executive editor for a small newspaper group for about ten years and I would hold up a copy of that newspaper and go, this
[SPEAKER_10]: has not changed since eighteen fifty five it's right and in a court of law this is final I said I can go online and change anything I published you can hack into it and change the words it's a federal you know it does not pass muster in a court of law right need the printed word
[SPEAKER_10]: And that is important to the value and the viability of a democracy.
[SPEAKER_10]: And we do not support it every president since Ronald Reagan.
[SPEAKER_10]: And he started it, by the way, we got Donald Trump because of Ronald Reagan.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_10]: And he makes sense that Ronald Reagan is a hero as an idiot.
[SPEAKER_10]: Donald Trump is what is at the end of the hill that started when Donald Trump, when Reagan rolled that, brought down the hill.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yes, passed by Donald Trump.
[SPEAKER_10]: So you need to bust up the medium and off-leads.
[SPEAKER_10]: Reinstitute the guidelines that make sure that you limit ownership, so there are more owners, right?
[SPEAKER_10]: And there are diversity of owners, and you need to support local community journalism.
[SPEAKER_10]: And that will help save the democracy, because there are more ons out there who just simply turn into their favorite channel and go, well, I said it there, it must be right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you and I agree far more than we disagree.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's
[SPEAKER_02]: that's one of the reasons it's not just because we agree it's because of the fact that why we agree all the reasons you just said are exactly the reasons why why I firmly believe that it is in the best interest of the news industry to support those kinds of things to support a basic set of standards and practices
[SPEAKER_02]: that would, you know, help those kinds of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't.
[SPEAKER_10]: I can't quantify them though.
[SPEAKER_10]: The problem with that is it's like a bestest spotter said, you know, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_10]: I can't define pornography, but I know what it is when I see it.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's hard to define and quantify journalism.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if it was, if it was easy, it would have already been done.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of it.
[SPEAKER_10]: But I'll give you an example of why it's important though.
[SPEAKER_10]: Here I am in curvil and I'm interviewing a woman who's standing outside of where Donald Trump is appearing.
[SPEAKER_10]: She's got a Donald Trump sign and I walked up to her and I said, so do you think the federal government has done a good job in helping out people in curvil because of the flood?
[SPEAKER_10]: And she goes, no, it's been horrible.
[SPEAKER_10]: My cousin, her daughter, is still missing.
[SPEAKER_10]: Nobody's helped find her and my cousin was on the phone with FEMA and nobody would answer the phone blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_10]: And she's going on about how it sucks.
[SPEAKER_10]: And I go, well,
[SPEAKER_10]: uh... the president says the government has done a great job and uh... he's happy with what the government has done and she looks at me goes well the president knows best uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh
[SPEAKER_02]: look look we we definitely we will get the drink of the day here coming up we will get that that that out to everybody Brian for those people who don't know who have yet to subscribe to your podcast um they should first of all subscribe you get some great guests on there who's your who's your favorite guest that you've had saying the last I don't know two three months that's a good question um my
[SPEAKER_10]: Norm Eisen is good.
[SPEAKER_10]: He was my very first guest the seven years ago and he's always been good on here.
[SPEAKER_10]: Sam Donaldson, one of my mentors, has been my favorite just to sit down and talk with.
[SPEAKER_10]: But Michael Cohen has been good.
[SPEAKER_02]: You wrote a bit with him, right?
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, yeah, and I appreciate his point of view.
[SPEAKER_10]: But I would go with Sam Donaldson because it's always fun to talk to someone who knows how the game is played and knows what we should be doing.
[SPEAKER_10]: And he said something to me long ago that I still carry with me said, Brian, I don't, he said, nobody's lied to me like Trump has, but he said, I do not fault
[SPEAKER_10]: the president or an administration for trying to put their best foot forward.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's their job.
[SPEAKER_10]: My job is to find out what's really going on.
[SPEAKER_10]: I love that and I've carried that with me.
[SPEAKER_10]: The other one I carry from from him is Sam once said, if I can't hold
[SPEAKER_10]: the people I like.
[SPEAKER_10]: If I can't hold their feet to the fire, I shouldn't be in the White House.
[SPEAKER_10]: We'll never know who I voted for because I treat them all the same.
[SPEAKER_10]: And that to me is the mark of a good journalist.
[SPEAKER_02]: Amen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I tend to be of the school of, I would tell people who I voted for and I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I let them know exactly where I am, how far, if you're looking at the left right binary, exactly where I sit on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that they can judge based on their position relative to mine, what they think.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think that the thought process behind it is the same kind of thing, which is whether you don't tell anybody where you're at or whether you tell them exactly where they're at so that they know it's all in the service of trying to get out to people so that they can trust the information that you're giving to them as a member of the news media.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, well, I firmly, you know, the secret ballot, I've never told anybody how I voted.
[SPEAKER_10]: And as Sam said, you may be surprised who I voted for in the past, maybe not.
[SPEAKER_10]: But at the end of the day, it's vetted factual information and holding people's feet to the fire.
[SPEAKER_10]: And if you can't do that, you shouldn't be a member of the crust.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brian Kerem is fantastic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember if you miss any of this, you can always check out our podcast at the politics bar.com or, hey, check out Brian's podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just ask the question, just ask the questions.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: Johnny, who do we have coming up next hour?
[SPEAKER_07]: We have Cliff Shector.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And... There it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Shiner, I believe.
[SPEAKER_07]: There it is.
[SPEAKER_07]: Shiner, I'm my goodness.
[SPEAKER_07]: And Pete Dominic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is a great hour.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a hour.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have a lot of interviews.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be talking about a lot of people laboring in the media.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a Labor Day Monday night.
[SPEAKER_02]: We want to stick around here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_08]: Let it go.
[SPEAKER_08]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_08]: Ready?
[SPEAKER_02]: is a Labor Day Monday night.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are very glad.
[SPEAKER_02]: You are hanging out with us here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Show the Hamilton.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sean Smith Pierce.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, Jody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Quick question for you here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tomorrow is Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is happening tomorrow that we, one hundred percent know is going to happen.
[SPEAKER_07]: Brooklyn, Dad Defiant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, also Congress is coming back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Dad, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Donald May attack Chicago.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, we'll we'll get to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll say some of the other news you may or may not have missed.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, the Trump tariffs were ruled illegal by a federal Pills Court on Friday and a federal judge temporarily locked Trump's expansion of expedited removal immigrants.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, Jody.
[SPEAKER_02]: This hour, it is a big media hour.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have got Pete Dominic.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got Meredith Schiner, and up first we have Cliff Shector.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you heard Cliff's podcasts?
[SPEAKER_02]: Blue Amp.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_02]: People should subscribe.
[SPEAKER_02]: But right now, you can just listen to them as he's here at the politics part.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Cliff Shector.
[SPEAKER_02]: This stuff with the Epstein scandal and Maxwell has as so rattled the Trump base because to them it wasn't it wasn't just about kids.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't just about pedophiles.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although they that's how they pushed it off to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was the fact that that
[SPEAKER_02]: they've been screwed and you've lived in a lot of places you've seen this especially with your work with with democratic politicians with democratic media trying to get people like to try to get good democrats elected where you saw that that
[SPEAKER_02]: people in a lot of places in the country for, you know, since going back to nineteen eighty really feel like they've been left behind feel like they've been screwed by the perfect year by the way, because oh, God, yes, so I argue everywhere, you know, I mean Trump is
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, he's horrific.
[SPEAKER_03]: The whole thing on steroids.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a manifestation of what they created.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that year, you can't get here.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a part of whatever is my favorite thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: One of my favorite things I've ever written just because it was so because it was came so much from my heart, which was about the differences.
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, I've lived in Europe.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been a lot of time there.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it was even more noticeable this time when we were in Italy for ten days.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: How many people were?
[SPEAKER_03]: I saw those last.
[SPEAKER_03]: They were.
[SPEAKER_03]: out, you know, and, and it's just, I mean, everybody here is like, no, you do have to be expecting a go-go draw-in.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're doing some good work over a blamp, and that piece of shit about trying to, you know, having some difficulty coming home, it's, it's understandable, and it's, it is something, it is a commonality, it's being shared across the board.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, look, there are a lot of things that a lot of us, especially on the left have said that we don't have in common with MAGA, but
[SPEAKER_02]: They saw Trump as the guy who was going to punch in the face.
[SPEAKER_02]: The people who they feel have been punching them in the face for fifty years.
[SPEAKER_07]: He went on a Bernie Sanders tirade.
[SPEAKER_07]: Basically, he was he.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, no, no, he don't know when he ran.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: He was all about Bernie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, somebody, he tried, he and his political advisors basically tried to pick off some of the populist ideas.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I, you know, I mean, I hate the establishment, but yeah, but anti mainstream, as what I would say, because the mainstream mainstream, and I call it corporate or monopoly, media, it wasn't working for anybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: mainstream institutions, we're talking more about those.
[SPEAKER_03]: It becomes
[SPEAKER_03]: So corrupt, you know, mainstream, and it comes to mainstream entertainment.
[SPEAKER_03]: You'll so many ways is being, you know, like there's still a lot of great stuff out there, but some of the is just the lowest base garbage, but the problem here is,
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, go back to the nineteen eighty when you revolve your culture around two things how much money you make and how hard you work and those are the things you brag about these kids as I wrote in that piece who I graduated from college with you are like love and investment baker I work a hundred twenty hours a week as if that was fucking cool right unlike I'd like to sleep a hundred twenty hours a week I don't know why you're you know like it's not cool to work a hundred hours
[SPEAKER_03]: What are you doing with your life?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you have a hobby?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you have a girl?
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't have hobbies, but you like to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're right in the sense of those people who, you know, those are the people who they took, they took from, they took from the people in rural
[SPEAKER_03]: America, they took from people in suburban America because if he was because what they do when they did that, you know, they made money.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's how private equity comes about a change.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's also, remember that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Voltage.
[SPEAKER_04]: Voltage or corporate.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had that in my piece on on, you know, I wrote two pieces.
[SPEAKER_03]: One of them is on how we looked a fuck of a lot like Rome, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's fall.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, because that's what they would quote.
[SPEAKER_03]: They quote the greed is good.
[SPEAKER_03]: They loved all of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was just like,
[SPEAKER_03]: If you can't enjoy what we create, if you can enjoy, you know, the leisure time we spend, if you can enjoy standard a nice cafe, a nice day having a cup of coffee with friends, if everything is just about how hard you work and I forgot there's a third component, how much money you make and here's the real one.
[SPEAKER_03]: much you consume, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because that's all we're supposed to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: Go to Walmart and buy every piece of plastic shit that they have to offer that you don't need.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we're our bleep, but it's going to change.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're even in those guys to change the fall of that shit and polluted our culture with it and we've never recovered.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I'm a hundred percent, but here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So all of these people believe that Trump was going to punch the bad guys in the face.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now
[SPEAKER_02]: the key about the the Epstein thing for the manga world is that they feel betrayed and and it was uh... this was a believe yesterday uh... this was rogan on his show and and well here well in a little place of the world versus getting pissed oh well yet here in the play play the sound line in the sand this one line in the sand because this is one where there's a lot of stuff about
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when we thought Trump was going to come in and there a lot of things are going to be resolved.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to drain this swamp.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to figure everything out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when you have this one hardcore line that everybody's been talking about forever, and then they're trying to gaslight you on that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's he's he's pissed.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the last Joe.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he again, there's a couple of those voices.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's more than a couple.
[SPEAKER_03]: Logan reaches the ton of people even though he's he's as fucking nutty as a two dollar bill.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like Alex Jones.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not a professional in media like the rest of us here.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's he's not somebody who has done that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I get his but the key that the key is really that the fact that they see
[SPEAKER_02]: they see Trump and they see the elites that are around Trump and the deal with Trump as a fraud and they realize that they've been had and that is you know it's it's now now they're going to be more open to actually seeing the facts which is a good thing and that's where we got to talk about media stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: We do media regulation real crap.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we just do it's garbage.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And look, your new media venture blue amp has been doing very well on sub stack.
[SPEAKER_02]: You do a lot of live streams.
[SPEAKER_02]: You do a lot of great writing that you do up there as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got a link in the guest section in our news on tap today to your blue amp and people can go there.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's great, but it's one of those things where because you used to work in different corners of the media, and you have done this for so long.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about this outside of the bar before the three of us, and it's come up a lot lately, where a lot of younger people and even some older people are screw the legacy media, screw the establishment media, and I'm like, I get it, but they're like, you know, we need to do, we need to go to creators and influencers.
[SPEAKER_02]: And some people are not about the influencers, but they like the creators.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a semantics to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And my thought is I get it that we need something new, but whether it's a creator or an influencer, Bob Smith on the bus,
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't hold a goddamn bit of any type of value to me as a news consumer, because I don't know who Bob Smith is.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only reason Jim, Jim, Jim Acosta, joy read.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're both on Substack.
[SPEAKER_02]: They both have good shows, Katie Fang, another one.
[SPEAKER_02]: We know them because they were in establishment media first.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were either guests and then they had shows or they were long term journalists or like joy, they were involved in politics and media and then became a host.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've gotten to know these people, so we understand their integrity.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Bob Smith on the bus, I don't freaking know that guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea who that is.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a creator.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what?
[SPEAKER_03]: I would say to you, you have that in a universe of creators.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, again, you played somebody earlier.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, why Joe Rogan on a reason.
[SPEAKER_07]: He was on a news radio show.
[SPEAKER_03]: He wasn't famous actor before, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: But Rogan is popular because he thinks like an average American guy, I hate to say it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the same kind of dumb things, I mean, it's just true, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: The same kinds of things were guy to like, I don't know about those vaccines or like he, you know, he says out loud what a lot of regular not so brilliant and not so well educated.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but I'm just, I don't know how to look at it.
[SPEAKER_03]: People that don't know science that well would say, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But so, but also all of those people don't understand the power and the responsibility.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what I'm saying to you is,
[SPEAKER_03]: We have it in both places because the one thing you can say, and again, mainstream media, legacy media, whatever you want to call, was never perfect.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But never had the fact racist, sexist, it excluded all sorts of people on the past.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But at least in the past, yeah, when, right, at least in the past when crime type or people like that were on there, you knew there were people there.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a guy like this who live next door to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: here sadly passed away who you know when they had a state Cincinnati and choir office in because they used to cover everything right in the middle town the place that J.D.
[SPEAKER_03]: Vance is from the claims as an Appalachian but it's not you know like you need his way up from those local offices to eventually being like the head news guy right in saying choir that's how you made it back then
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: The difference now is, is you can become famous for some completely other reason.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you become a mainstream media star.
[SPEAKER_03]: And as far as I'm concerned, like, you know, what do you know about what does, I mean, I'm sorry, what does Joe Scarborough know about the news business?
[SPEAKER_03]: He went directly there from being cars.
[SPEAKER_03]: You'd argue, okay, you did public policy, maybe, you know, something.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's probably better than some of the other folks would say.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's been trained.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I say about Rogan too is, is Rogan, he was an actor before, and he's done this.
[SPEAKER_07]: And a stand-up comic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't know anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying, always look at who you're listening to, whether it's in mainstream or whether it's creators.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: My issue with mainstream media, such as it is, why I call it corporate or monopoly media, is it's now a different beast?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Six.
[SPEAKER_03]: entities on ninety percent of what you watch see right play also games and they're in everything right and so when you see a place like you see someone like paramount fire steven cobert you say to yourself okay why are they doing that is that is CBS upset with him is Nickelodeon upset with him is is it because of the skydance merger turns out it's probably because of that right
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it because of Lionsgate?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if I see here, I think it's a group of different entities that are under this umbrella.
[SPEAKER_03]: How could you honestly report on anything when virtually everything you say is going to be a conflict of interest?
[SPEAKER_03]: And when you're such a big monopoly that you have that you never have to worry that your consumers are going to walk away because they have no choices.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now they're starting to get them within the enemy, but before you don't have to worry about how you treat your workers, where are they going to go?
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't mean monopolies are essentially the corporate form of communism, which I thought we hated, which is there's no competition.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no worrying about transparency or accountability.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you can do whatever you want.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, Cliff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Corporate media is not the answer, but the independent media is like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like your politics.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our Jody and I hanging out with you on a Labor Day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Monday.
[SPEAKER_07]: This is my baby cat, too.
[SPEAKER_07]: Hello, kitty.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, baby cats and your pups to our bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys can always find us at the politics bar dot com.
[SPEAKER_02]: We will have another drink of the day when we are back live tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Jody took a vacation here a couple weeks ago and we had the wonderful Jared Rizzy filling in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we brought Meredith Shiner, and we're gonna have to bring in Meredith, you will love her when you meet her, Jody.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's great.
[SPEAKER_07]: I can't wait.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, we were talking about baseball, about media, and more Meredith Shiner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Coming up next, you're at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're back here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, Jody, how's your kitty?
[SPEAKER_07]: She's good, she's just purring like a crazy kitty.
[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, I have to ask, hey, Lonnie, how are you?
[SPEAKER_02]: The politics bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lonnie and you have had a good weekend, I hope.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've had a good weekend too.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had a good time with Meredith Schiner when she was in the bar and Jared Rizzy was filling in, talking about baseball and media and more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Meredith Schiner for August, nineteenth here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's an honor to be in the bar as a Chicago resident.
[SPEAKER_13]: We do everything in a bar.
[SPEAKER_13]: We do our political talking.
[SPEAKER_13]: I've purchased a Christmas tree in a bar.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, no, in Chicago, anything in a bar.
[SPEAKER_13]: And our annual neighborhood garden walk.
[SPEAKER_13]: There's one neighborhood bar that's been around for a hundred years and they literally do a petting zoo.
[SPEAKER_02]: And look, great old bars.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is one of one part of the concept of this show is the fact that in Great Old bars you used to be able to pick up a good newspaper.
[SPEAKER_02]: You pick up the national papers.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'd have a local paper.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'd have like an entertainment paper.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you would have all this good information that was sitting there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So of course, one was that one loud mouth at the end of the bar who was
[SPEAKER_02]: Long before cell phones, you could whip out the papers or whip out of stack of magazines and be like, look dude, here's the deal, here's the facts.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, as somebody who is not just a communication strategist, you've been a great journalist, you've been a capital hill journalist.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, honestly, I wish you would have been here for the softball with journalists versus, you know, some of the White House folks, because I would have loved to have seen you just totally beanball BS Barbie, but back to the media.
[SPEAKER_02]: The whole thing is is that you even, you teach public policy, the University of Chicago.
[SPEAKER_02]: You understand media because you've been in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I gotta ask, what do you think?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's so much of the media that is collapsing right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's collapsing with politics.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's collapsing with the arts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you know any more than I do about this?
[SPEAKER_13]: Because I'm, well, I love that you mentioned softball.
[SPEAKER_13]: I feel like you've really like, hung at sixteen inch softball, like, right over the plate for me.
[SPEAKER_13]: Again, another Chicago reference.
[SPEAKER_13]: Jared knows this.
[SPEAKER_13]: And again, Jared, thank you for also helping to invite me into the bar.
[SPEAKER_15]: I'm glad to be here.
[SPEAKER_15]: I'm just wondering whether I'm the loudmouth or the pettings you animal in this scenario.
[SPEAKER_15]: But that's, that's like what I mean.
[SPEAKER_13]: I love that we were trying to create some sort of allegory, and it's not just that we're all a bunch of degenerates with nothing better to do, but to sit around and pull.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, you told me I wasn't supposed to swear.
[SPEAKER_13]: That's okay.
[SPEAKER_13]: Look, I've got to believe.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got to believe you're fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry about it.
[SPEAKER_13]: Don't worry about it.
[SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's done.
[SPEAKER_13]: No.
[SPEAKER_13]: So as Jared knows, I think about these questions with the media all the time.
[SPEAKER_13]: And for your listeners, you know, I write a lot about the media and the intersection of our media and our politics at the new republic where I'm a contributing editor.
[SPEAKER_13]: And I think
[SPEAKER_13]: First and foremost, one of the reasons I think about it all the time is that I still care about it.
[SPEAKER_13]: I think as our discourse has evolved as a website like Twitter where a lot of national reporters still are, even though all of the users are eighty percent bots and a hundred percent Nazis, there is this instinctive defensiveness.
[SPEAKER_13]: that criticism is somehow hate or criticism devalues the role that these reporters and these journalists play in the media.
[SPEAKER_13]: And I actually, I don't mean to sound polyanish, but I come from it from the opposite perspective, which is when when I moved to Washington in
[SPEAKER_13]: I did it because I thought trying to become a political journalist and a congressional correspondent was a way that I could leverage my skills and my interests to be a public servant.
[SPEAKER_13]: I thought that journalism was a public service job and I think that there are still people who view it that way.
[SPEAKER_13]: But we have to talk about the overt attacks and sort of the silent attacks that we're seeing.
[SPEAKER_13]: And you know, recently, you know, one of my
[SPEAKER_13]: Alma Mater is his role call, which is one of the oldest capital hill news papers in Washington.
[SPEAKER_13]: And I was asked to write a reflection on the seventy of the anniversary of the paper.
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw that it was great.
[SPEAKER_13]: And you know, one of the things that I wanted to be was honest about what the experience of being at role call was because it was the best job I'll ever have.
[SPEAKER_13]: And yet it was so eye-opening in terms of the financials of journalism.
[SPEAKER_13]: And I think the thing that has been so devastating is that many people, whether at the time, a role call was owned by the Economist Group, or it's private equity, or it's these billionaires who wanted to present as philanthropists, but in the end really had no values.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, they purchased these institutions and they purchased these operations without a clear understanding of what the role and what their public value was.
[SPEAKER_13]: And by virtue of starving all of these outlets, they consolidated the power and media.
[SPEAKER_13]: So as smaller operations close, or as we see newsrooms across the country that little by little erode their capabilities, first and foremost, they would close Washington bureau.
[SPEAKER_13]: So you wouldn't have reporters dedicated to covering delegations.
[SPEAKER_13]: What that did was concentrate the power to a place like the New York Times or the Washington Post.
[SPEAKER_13]: And so so much of our media coverage, so much of this like basic function of democracy, then fell to the judgment of an even more select few number of people.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: And so that is the overall landscape.
[SPEAKER_13]: within which we entered the second Trump era where I think you're seeing so many other institutions really power and fear or try to understand how to accommodate the rise of authoritarianism and what it's left general people with is just a total mess and a total lack of prioritization.
[SPEAKER_13]: I'll tell you the last thing that I love to tell my students is
[SPEAKER_13]: The thing about a physical newspaper, and I'm not trying to be like, you know, no, I'm not someone's portrait or an old lady or like, you know, back in my day.
[SPEAKER_13]: But the thing about a physical newspaper is that every day the front page was really a reflection of judgment about what the most important things of that day were, and it's holograph to the people who are picking it up.
[SPEAKER_13]: What are the important stories and what do I need to know?
[SPEAKER_13]: And as someone who has a deep understanding of what happens in DC, who cares about what's happening in DC, who loves people still, who live in DC, and share it included.
[SPEAKER_13]: I think that there is not enough understanding about the seriousness of what's happening there by average people.
[SPEAKER_13]: And I don't blame the average people who don't know because the information is not being synthesized to them in a way that they understand.
[SPEAKER_13]: Like I think at the beginning of the Trump administration,
[SPEAKER_13]: They knew the drama around renaming the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America, and they knew about tariffs, the things that sort of rose to the level, but the wholesale gutting of the government, what that meant when we were basically firing and eliminating lifelong public servants when we were gutting our public health infrastructure, when you're getting rid of the Department of Public Education, people didn't really know in practical matter what that meant.
[SPEAKER_13]: And they couldn't understand the scale of it.
[SPEAKER_13]: Because they are immersed in it.
[SPEAKER_13]: Like the people living in DC are.
[SPEAKER_13]: And so I think that there's a certain like
[SPEAKER_13]: nose blindness.
[SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_13]: If we're in DC, this is real.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's happening all the time.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's so serious.
[SPEAKER_13]: Everyone must share in this reality.
[SPEAKER_13]: And right now they're not.
[SPEAKER_13]: And that's deeply problematic.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's, I mean, there's multiple ways that this, that this, that this folds out.
[SPEAKER_02]: First first thing as you were mentioning about the media consolidation.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you heard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next star is buying Tegna two of the greatest, a local TV companies.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't mean great in, you know, sense of great, been sense of biggest.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now you're going to have even fewer local television owners, which is where a lot of people get their news.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you don't have the the number of perspectives out there, whatever it is, whether it's local news, whether it's entertainment news, whether it's sports, whether it's whatever it is, when you don't have the perspectives, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It comes from a smaller group of people.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if somebody wants to have authoritarian tendencies, it's a lot easier to control the smaller group of people than it is a much broader sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's obviously that is a huge part of the problem is the ownership.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're doing it right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: And part they actually came out and said that they're doing it because Brendan Carr, who is Trump's FCC person is like,
[SPEAKER_02]: But the heck, let's open up the ownership things and allow even fewer companies to own even more of this, which is insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then you've got the differing perspectives, both of which are real.
[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about this yesterday, the perspective of you who lives in DC and people who live in DC who are very afraid.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, they should be.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's also the perspective of so much of what is
[SPEAKER_02]: being done in DC and in places like Texas.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's perceived.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not actual.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the threat of true authoritarianism versus the actuality.
[SPEAKER_02]: People aren't
[SPEAKER_02]: There are some that are getting beaten up and taken away.
[SPEAKER_02]: The majority are not.
[SPEAKER_02]: The majority go to hell.
[SPEAKER_02]: These national guard people, most of the national guard people are just standing around going whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Both of these things are true at the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: It takes nuanced to be able to communicate that and so much of our media.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't have the ability of it, and they don't care to have the ability of it, which is insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, you know this, Jared, we get your report every single day.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, and I want to go back to something Meredith said about the way in which we use and consume journalism, because I think there's an analog, and I want to know if you go along with this Meredith, where both journalism and politics
[SPEAKER_15]: are things that people don't really understand how they pay for them.
[SPEAKER_15]: They pay for them whether it's in time or taxes or whatever, but they pay for them and there's a wall between the consumer and the product essentially for lack of a better word.
[SPEAKER_15]: And that opacity creates a disconnect for people where, because they don't pay for it directly, they don't understand the value of it, and they really don't understand how much they're paying for it when it's bad.
[SPEAKER_15]: And I think journalism
[SPEAKER_15]: Canary in the coal mine, bad journalism, and the business model has been bad for a long time.
[SPEAKER_15]: We've seen what that does.
[SPEAKER_15]: And I think this administration and really the Republican project for the last fifty or seventy years has been dedicated to the idea that we could make government even worse.
[SPEAKER_15]: and just stretching that barrier because people don't understand how much more they're paying for a government that's racist and inefficient and a bunch of other things.
[SPEAKER_15]: And so when something like Doge happens and people are promised efficiency, they know that the problem is real, they don't understand why this is such an obvious wrong solution to it.
[SPEAKER_13]: Jared, as you were talking, I created a little rundown for myself to respond to all of the points that you're making because I want to break them apart and address different components separately because I think what you said was so big.
[SPEAKER_13]: Okay, so first of all, in terms of value for what people are paying.
[SPEAKER_13]: I think that that is in part true, but also we saw a prime example recently of how that's not true.
[SPEAKER_13]: I think there was mass resistance to the idea that we should shutter the corporation for public broadcasting.
[SPEAKER_13]: I think people understood that for one dollar a year, people across the country got access to quality programming.
[SPEAKER_13]: I do feel, and you know that I don't want to go down this particular sort of
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, because I will lose my mind over how Democrats handled the corporation for public broadcasting issue that has been, you know, percolating for fifteen years now.
[SPEAKER_13]: But I think there are ways in which people see the value and understand it.
[SPEAKER_13]: And also, it exists within this broader context where they don't fully understand certain things about our journalism and our politics.
[SPEAKER_13]: So that was your opening statement, Jared, that people don't really understand how either of them work.
[SPEAKER_13]: And so I wanted to bring up one of my pet issues, which is the idea of a public editor.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yes, people like Dean McKay made one of the most strategic mistake.
[SPEAKER_13]: The biggest strategic mistake in the history of the New York Times when he said people complaining on Twitter could replace the role of public editor.
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: And this is not to say that there aren't certain people who have been better at the job or worse at the job.
[SPEAKER_13]: But the point of a public editor was to be a reporter on behalf of the public within a newsroom to help demystify how a newsroom works.
[SPEAKER_13]: And I think one of the things that I get to charge people money for in my job as a communications consultant is media training and a huge part of that is demystifying the media to them to make them understand that a reporter isn't a person that they necessarily see in a briefing room or dramatized on house of cards.
[SPEAKER_13]: But there are real people who have different deadlines and interests and pressures and they have editors and the news is actually a product of
[SPEAKER_13]: many, many decisions every day made by a large number of people.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had a voicemail left last night, not the best quality, but Wendy asked us.
[SPEAKER_02]: She said recently we've been talking about the CPB being defunded and she was like, why don't some fact-based media go in and buy up these local NPR stations and some of the native stations that are going to be closing because of this instead of having the right wing propaganda to do it?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's kind of what part of what we've been talking about with this is where the money is or isn't in media.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, I think specifically to that question, you know, I have a very vivid memory, particularly when my almost five-year-old son was exclusively a Sesame Street guy.
[SPEAKER_13]: And we were just, we were flipping through and there was a must have been the
[SPEAKER_13]: Fifty at the anniversary special.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_13]: And they had Joseph Gordon Levitt do the like monologue to like welcome people and one of the things I remember was him saying Sesame Street belongs to all of us.
[SPEAKER_13]: And being really hit by that is at the time, like, it had already been sold to HBO and David Zazzamoda.
[SPEAKER_13]: And so there is this idea of, like, what should a public good be?
[SPEAKER_13]: And I think we should be honest about what the corporation for public broadcasting did.
[SPEAKER_13]: And I think that Democrats had an obligation to educate on what that was when this attack first surfaced again, fifteen years ago, when it became a major point of dialogue in the Obama real elect versus Mitt Romney.
[SPEAKER_13]: Like, at the end of the day in this country, there is not
[SPEAKER_13]: Private enterprise doesn't have the interest in investing capital in places where they don't think there will be a return.
[SPEAKER_13]: It is the reason why we have a U.S.
[SPEAKER_13]: Postal Service that always does the last mile where FX and UPS won.
[SPEAKER_13]: And it is the same reason why we had the corporation for public broadcasting because yes, some of that money did go to programming, although also a lot of the money for children's programming came from the Department of Education and ready to learn grants.
[SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: In many places, the money that was stewarded by the corporation for public broadcasting invested in the infrastructure that put the signals into the sky.
[SPEAKER_13]: So it's not whether or not we want Sesame Street because Sesame Street will find a way to continue and you're right there will be someone who will spend money to buy it or invest in it.
[SPEAKER_13]: The question is who gets access to it and who doesn't?
[SPEAKER_02]: Marius Schiner here at the politics bar with Jodie Hamilton and me on a Labor Day Monday and I, by the way, Jodie Labor Day, big thanks to the unions, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: All of unions, all of the workers, big thank you to all of you out there who support unions and support good workers, big in unions is a great thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Coming up, Pete Dominick, don't go anywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: One more segment here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is Labor Day Monday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nights.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is last call here's politics bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, Jody, who do we have left?
[SPEAKER_02]: Pete Dominick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pete Dominick's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: We should be on Pete's show.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have to get that organized.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pete was talking to us on July twenty ninth about being on CNN and about the importance of media and being on cold air, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Check out the interview.
[SPEAKER_02]: now at the politics park.
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw you was that he was last week on CNN with Brianna Keeler and she's like giddy to have you on.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I laughed about that because I'm like, you know, she's she's an old, she's an old, she's an old radio person, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people don't realize that Brianna's very happy.
[SPEAKER_16]: I think that's she and I had a little bit of a history and a mutual admiration.
[SPEAKER_09]: No way.
[SPEAKER_16]: I used to work at CNN for a while, but right before I think she started there, I left.
[SPEAKER_16]: She came in, but I kept doing appearances there and I was on with her
[SPEAKER_16]: on a segment that a really weird thing happened with the other guests on the panel, who is this crazy Christian nationalist.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's seen a never should have booked him.
[SPEAKER_16]: He shouldn't have been there.
[SPEAKER_16]: And I and Brianna handled it really well.
[SPEAKER_16]: And it went really viral for the moment.
[SPEAKER_16]: And so we kind of like the next time I saw Brianna as at the RNC or something.
[SPEAKER_16]: And we just laughed about it.
[SPEAKER_16]: But I just have a lot of respect for it.
[SPEAKER_16]: I think she says very, very good job.
[SPEAKER_16]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I have given her hell over the years.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is just it.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is so we were talking with Cliff about this too.
[SPEAKER_02]: This has been kind of a bugaboo.
[SPEAKER_02]: The news.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a little bit heavy today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, you know, there is look.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's literally.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, the genocide that's going on.
[SPEAKER_07]: It is by the people getting shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, that's the issue.
[SPEAKER_16]: In or is there a different one?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_07]: We know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Reno.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Atlanta Detroit and Manhattan, uh, mass shootings just yesterday, four of them.
[SPEAKER_16]: Wow, I did not know about anything but New York, but I was not surprising, but yes, it's heavy every day and I talk a lot about
[SPEAKER_16]: dealing with it and understanding it and living in it and not in denial about it.
[SPEAKER_16]: I don't know if you're going somewhere with the question about media, but I think that it's very important that we don't look away from it and that we stay connected to it.
[SPEAKER_16]: And I don't just say that because I'm in media and want people to stay connected, I say it because I think if you look away from it,
[SPEAKER_16]: You're not doing, you're not being responsible mature adult.
[SPEAKER_16]: And I think it's easy.
[SPEAKER_16]: It means you're doing really well and it's easy to do.
[SPEAKER_16]: Or it means you're doing really, really bad.
[SPEAKER_16]: But yeah, I think it's important that people stay connected and don't.
[SPEAKER_16]: I've always fought apathy.
[SPEAKER_16]: My entire career has been about trying to make boring issues important by finding the best guests to talk about them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and you've been, you've done so much in media that, you know, if people, people may know you from your podcast stand up with Pete, or they may know you from your years on Series XM, stand up with Pete Dominick, which is, you know, look, I mean, it's in many ways it's a similar show.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good show.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is you talking to interesting people and people should listen to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I recommend we got a link in in the guest section at the news on tap today.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the other thing about it is that you've worked so much in media in so many different aspects.
[SPEAKER_02]: You especially have a different take, I think, on the Paramount CBS merger because your friends were Steven, how long did you open for him?
[SPEAKER_02]: How long were you?
[SPEAKER_16]: I worked at the Colbert Report for like a thout.
[SPEAKER_16]: I did like a thousand episodes, six years, six years.
[SPEAKER_16]: And I can't wait back and forth because I got hired away from the Colbert Report and Comedy Center by CNN.
[SPEAKER_16]: But John Stewart hired me, Stephen stole me from John.
[SPEAKER_16]: And that was amazing.
[SPEAKER_16]: But then I did both.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like some of the fun, most fun nights of my career were warming up the audiences for the Daily Show.
[SPEAKER_16]: And then literally running to the Colbert Report.
[SPEAKER_16]: Because Daily Show is on, I think, there was one stage in the Daily Show stage.
[SPEAKER_16]: And they were like six blocks away.
[SPEAKER_16]: and I would wrap it the daily show and I would run the Colbert rapport and I would do them both and it was double money.
[SPEAKER_16]: But more importantly, just to be part of those two iconic shows for as long as I was and then I worked that last week with John Oliver for three seasons and I worked with them for the longest.
[SPEAKER_16]: So yeah, been around in political media and comedy for almost twenty years.
[SPEAKER_16]: And look, you're not only a veteran because of
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the fact that you have an open mind, you have an interesting mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: As a friend of mine said, you have an open mind, but not so open, your brain falls out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you get great guests and you ask them interesting questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know if this is as interesting a question, maybe you've been asked this before already, but there is
[SPEAKER_02]: So obviously there's quite frankly it's the issue of bribery paid to play however you want to talk about it with the takeover of Paramount by Skydance and how now obviously they're pushing cold air out.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're looking at John Stewart and the Daily Show basically probably being threatened.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're they're going to put a minor on CBS news.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, what the hell?
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's, and this is one of the big mainstream media outlets, not just CBS news as a new to our satellite, but media as a whole.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is, I mean, from somebody who's, you know, been both inside and outside and knows these people, what do you think about it and what do you think, what do you think how they're going to handle it?
[SPEAKER_16]: Well, I think the most important way to look at this is that it is the most obvious
[SPEAKER_16]: example of cancel culture we've ever seen oh my god yeah
[SPEAKER_16]: And it's really important to say it that way because we have a mob or a society or a group of people can all condemn any number of bad men or anyone doing something bad and co-cancel them and they can't get gigs or they get fired from their job or however people generally see cancel culture.
[SPEAKER_16]: But when it's organic or when it's led by the mob on social media or something like that, that's one thing.
[SPEAKER_16]: But when it's government,
[SPEAKER_16]: doing it, then go.
[SPEAKER_16]: And the right has been canceling words and censoring actual words for years that they couldn't order in congressional reports like the financial crisis inquiry commission, which was the body that looked into what happened in the two thousand what caused the two thousand financial.
[SPEAKER_16]: This will Republicans wouldn't let Democrats.
[SPEAKER_16]: It was bipartisan commission, but they wouldn't let the word deregulation be used.
[SPEAKER_16]: Right.
[SPEAKER_16]: was the reason that was the primary reason to deregulation of the financial industry that caused all of us to lose so much.
[SPEAKER_16]: Some would never gain to back and something like climate change.
[SPEAKER_16]: They're getting rid of words again.
[SPEAKER_16]: This is the government.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're trying to cancel entire people with trans people.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're trying to cancel trans.
[SPEAKER_16]: When the government cancels a TV show, it is the most right.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's an egregious form of cancellation that you could imagine.
[SPEAKER_16]: You should never know conservative, no right-winger.
[SPEAKER_16]: No one should want the government to be canceling television shows and putting their finger on the scale and these mergers this way.
[SPEAKER_16]: So that's how I'll look at it number one.
[SPEAKER_16]: Number two.
[SPEAKER_16]: These things are going to happen that the television industry was trending this way.
[SPEAKER_16]: These shows were all going away within a few years.
[SPEAKER_16]: You already saw.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're talking about late shows in general.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: I mean, networks in general, that kind of programming in in general was was going away in many different ways because of the internet and because of everything else that we're all doing.
[SPEAKER_16]: And so it was going to happen.
[SPEAKER_16]: Anyway, Colbert is never going anywhere.
[SPEAKER_16]: I mean, I've known him forever.
[SPEAKER_16]: I mean, this guy punches up
[SPEAKER_16]: and will whatever he does next will be way better than then what he did here at the late show which was already you know it was CBS's property whose answer new executives he was a show created by David Letterman right
[SPEAKER_16]: venture will be something very, very big and important.
[SPEAKER_16]: I mean, I've said, and I don't, I'm not joking, and I told him directly.
[SPEAKER_16]: I, I send my email with the clip of it, and I just ran back from the yesterday was a kick.
[SPEAKER_16]: I hadn't heard from him in a while, and I said, you should run for president.
[SPEAKER_16]: I think Stephen Colbert should run for president.
[SPEAKER_16]: We are in a cartoon country.
[SPEAKER_16]: with cartoon leaders and they're the cartoon villains and I think Stephen Colbert is a very good and and probably one of the smartest people I've ever met I know a lot of smart people and I think he'd be an amazing president so there I think you're right when my mom did her fiftyth anniversary show we had it they had to edit out somebody okay
[SPEAKER_07]: and so Steve Colbert was so sweet.
[SPEAKER_07]: She flew out burning at Peters was there.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, a bunch of other people.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's just used the theater and I'll play the piano and we'll be good.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, Mr. Colbert is a really nice human.
[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: He takes care of everybody on his staff and always, always did and always will.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think that's the great thing, too, is that to me, it's obvious, it'll look like, you know, you know, you stored for Randy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was going to say, you and I think met when I was working for Randy, the first one.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so when the executives were basically trying to push Randy's show out back in twenty fourteen, Randy made sure to make sure that all of us who were on staff, we all got severance.
[SPEAKER_02]: She didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in fact, because we got severance because she didn't, but she made sure that everybody did the who were for her on staff that we got taken care of.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was just
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's so I totally understand when you say that about Colbert.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm liking the fact that they've got like ten months.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he can build whatever venture he's going to build and then for the other people who say, I don't necessarily want to go with that that he can help them try to find other places so that, you know, they're still able to make a living and you see their kids and
[SPEAKER_16]: I mean, the best example is the writer strike in a pandemic.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_16]: He and his wife like took out of their own pocket and made sure everybody is all right.
[SPEAKER_16]: Another example is I won't name any name because that doesn't really matter.
[SPEAKER_16]: She wouldn't care, but there's there's certain plays that worked on the show like one woman who's husband died and and she and her husband worked on the show.
[SPEAKER_16]: He was a cameraman.
[SPEAKER_16]: So I should be clear about that.
[SPEAKER_16]: But like he's
[SPEAKER_16]: he took care of for the rest of the time like and it's like last year's season last year was Amy died.
[SPEAKER_16]: Amy Cole was assistant for year she died.
[SPEAKER_16]: You know as horrific and like he's suffered law, you know as much loss, you know, he lost his dad in the field as brothers in an airplane crash and he's just filled with empathy and purpose and he's as good as it gets and by the way, I'm saying all this, he fired me.
[SPEAKER_16]: because I wasn't committed enough to the show.
[SPEAKER_16]: I mean, I was gone a lot because I was doing gigs and he called me up and he's like, your career is too good for this.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like, go and do it and don't worry about this.
[SPEAKER_16]: You're going to be fine and he was absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like he pushed me to try something new and because I was so successful and I'll always be grateful to him for that.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's a good Christian.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's a good Catholic.
[SPEAKER_16]: He's a good man.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a good person.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's it's always funny to me that people people who don't know famous people and they they think weird things about them and I'm like sometimes they're just, you know, they don't have weird things.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just average people.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just normal people and some of them were just really good normal people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Steven just happens to have a fantastic brain for comedy for political comedy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I, I, I, he worked with Francis in Angela.
[SPEAKER_07]: Franchal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, he did.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you know that?
[SPEAKER_16]: Pete, uh, years ago at Steve that Steven did?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, he, he directed Francis on a weird
[SPEAKER_07]: I think it's important, you know, as interesting people in talking to me a lot about him because what's happened lately, it's forced me to remember a lot of things, but
[SPEAKER_16]: The thing that that put him on, I don't know what I want to say on the map because he was already, you know, started the Daily Show, then the Cold Bear Force, the Cold Bear Force up and running, but I think he was two thousand six, the, what else corresponded to him when he roasted, he was the host.
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[SPEAKER_16]: destroyed and they spoke truth right to power about bushing man you know attacked him basically with jokes about WMD and it was brilliant and it versioned his image as this rabble rousing truth speaking you know guy who's very inspiring to a lot of people who came after him but at almost every night you guys at the co-bearer poor i would do the warm up at hand in the mic you do Q&A and almost every night somebody from the audience asked
[SPEAKER_16]: question about that, White House correspondent center.
[SPEAKER_16]: And I mean, almost.
[SPEAKER_16]: That was the moment that really put him on a different level.
[SPEAKER_16]: And not on the map, but on a different level as doing what needed to be done, but always needed to be done to George W. Bush's face.
[SPEAKER_16]: And it was a very, very important moment that many of us never forget.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, Jody.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is the end of the Labor Day show here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who do we have tomorrow on the show?
[SPEAKER_07]: We have Brooklyn Dad Defiant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brooklyn Dad Defiant, excellent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who else are we gonna have?
[SPEAKER_07]: Some of our usual Bob and John and Karen Anita.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe somebody else.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, try.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look.
[SPEAKER_02]: Join us here tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on back.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see tomorrow night here at the politics bar.