[SPEAKER_02]: You got to listen to this podcast about Valkyrie, they compared it to a Paul Thirteen and Greatest Showman.
[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Rekentopia, a happy home for recommended movies, TV shows, music, video games, foodstuffs, and more from three people you can definitely trust.
[SPEAKER_02]: Trustability varies by region no guarantees implied.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now here are your hosts, Chris Akinson, Jeremy Scott, and Ian Dyson.
[SPEAKER_00]: But only if he's dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you're saying, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: How else are you going to convince people, the SS, and trying to seize power?
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to kill Hitler.
[SPEAKER_05]: Everybody, it is episode one hundred and seventy-four of Rekutopia.
[SPEAKER_05]: My name is Chris Akinson, joined by Aaron Dyson, highly ho, Cooperino's.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's right, and also joining us Jeremy Scott.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hi, everybody.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Today's a big recommend will be Valkyrie.
[SPEAKER_05]: We would like to also welcome chat who have come out here to watch us talk about movies on a Thursday.
[SPEAKER_05]: We had some some shenanigans last week.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're shenanigans.
[SPEAKER_05]: So much shenanigans going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had some bad pizza nannigans.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was.
[SPEAKER_05]: That'll, that'll, that'll get you every time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It got me all the times.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_05]: But yes, thank you, Chad, for coming out.
[SPEAKER_05]: We will get us started with some small recommends.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's no big deal.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's so small and light.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's small.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's tiny.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's petite.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's weak.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'll kick us off with a movie that I am not the biggest martial arts expert guy.
[SPEAKER_05]: I have a ton of movies in my Blu-ray library that I haven't seen, but I have bought over the years that I want to catch up to at some point.
[SPEAKER_05]: But there is a big huge criterion collection of once upon a time in China, which has, I believe, six movies and it's I think it's six or five and then there's one that's called once upon a time in China and America.
[SPEAKER_05]: This movie came out in nineteen ninety one gently i believe had already become a star in asia but this was the one sort of set off a slew of martial arts films in nineties and you got jettley and jackie chan all these you know all these big star started coming out of uh at that point
[SPEAKER_05]: This movie is about, I think it's in the nineteenth century, China is sort of being divided up by all the Western powers of the world you have.
[SPEAKER_05]: The clear villains of Great Britain and the USA in this movie, they have come in and they've just been dividing sections of China and
[SPEAKER_05]: People in China are welcoming this and so they're fighting inside of China itself amongst the Chinese.
[SPEAKER_05]: So basically, with that set up, everything is about like, you know, challenging power and trying to, and trying to,
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: Everything is about challenging power and then getting into fights over it.
[SPEAKER_05]: And big, huge, you know, spectacle fights.
[SPEAKER_05]: And Jetley, there's one scene in here with an umbrella that I love to death and this thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's, it's, it's, it's, I don't know if this is what Jetley was known for, but it was very, it reminded me very much of Jackie Chan type stuff where he'd take a prop.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it would just be the thing all the way through a fight and everything.
[SPEAKER_05]: Again, I'm no expert.
[SPEAKER_05]: Most people know, you know, what the jet leaf fighting style is and what that distinguishes, how that distinguishes them.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, if you just want to see some good old good old fashioned martial arts movie with a really good story to it as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is this is a good one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Once upon a time in China, I'm excited to check it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's it is streaming right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm prime.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think I have this on a desk, so I watched it on that, but it could be streaming on prime.
[SPEAKER_05]: It could be on correct area, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I ran out of time to watch the whole thing, but I did fire it up and watch the first ten, fifteen minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the one thing I noticed right off the bat was the scope.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it feels like there's a really big scope.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there were so many actors like doing martial arts on a beach.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, this, you know, this is, this is going to be a really big movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does it kind of keep that feel throughout and go big with a lot of its, its stuff?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and there's and there's like there's another guy.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not sure of his name.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's another like he was another legend coming into this movie.
[SPEAKER_05]: Then of course the movie is building up to the fight between them.
[SPEAKER_05]: in a big warehouse at the end.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's really, really, it's awesome, too.
[SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, the scale of these movies are always to the point, like they do a really good job of telling you what the geopolitical nature of everything is before leading into, what are just, you know, okay, it's some fun, you know, kung fu fights and things like that that are going on.
[SPEAKER_05]: But they sort of give you a reason for why these things are happening.
[SPEAKER_05]: Whereas, you know, a lot of times I think
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, I think a lot of times action movies, they condense that story to something very simple and whatever, but this one's got a global scale to it.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is your answer?
[SPEAKER_02]: My wife for two years has been trying to get me to watch movie with her.
[SPEAKER_02]: My wife never recommends movies to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is maybe the second time she's ever tried to get me to watch a movie with her.
[SPEAKER_02]: The first time was the last unicorn in that did not go well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure she came across this movie called The Retrieval back in the mid-twenty teens.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we struggled for years to find it even to rent.
[SPEAKER_02]: But finally, a couple of weeks ago, we found it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't even tell you where.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where.
[SPEAKER_02]: We found it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We could run it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We watched it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I had never heard of it before.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never heard of the person that wrote and directed it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It appears to be the last movie he ever made.
[SPEAKER_02]: And actor-wise, the only person I recognized was the character who plays Will.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's Ashden Sanders and he's in Moonlight.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is a civil war story about two
[SPEAKER_02]: slaves will in his uncle Marcus and they are being used by the slave bosses to find and point out and help bring back runaway slaves.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they are marginally treated better than a standard slave, but they are still treated really, really poorly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're
[SPEAKER_02]: boss owner.
[SPEAKER_02]: His name is Brrell and basically he comes to them with a mission.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a man named Nate.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a runaway slave who's up in the north.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have new information about where he might be.
[SPEAKER_02]: He killed someone in the south before he left and there's a bounty on his head and Brrell wants that money.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he sends Will and Marcus to the north to lie to Nate.
[SPEAKER_02]: tell him that his brother in the south is dying and wants to see him and then the three of them travel south where they are intended to be ambushed by berelling his gang.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a quiet
[SPEAKER_02]: confident, powerful movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was blown away.
[SPEAKER_02]: I told my wife immediately to start recommending more movies to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: This has a lot to say about the power of father figures and that relationship, the merciness of moral, right and wrong, how you can have
[SPEAKER_02]: positive relationships with people who have done bad things, redemption.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just can't say enough about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so well-acted, the scores, incredible.
[SPEAKER_02]: Somehow this movie was made, released, got plenty of accolades.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's ninety something I'm running to, man, it was, and I never heard of it ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it comes across
[SPEAKER_02]: My timeline and now I feel like I'm going to be talking about this movie for the rest of my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was really really really blown away.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you are able to find it and watch it, I highly recommend it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's called Retrieval.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, over in chat, they're saying canopy and keynote film, Kina Lorber has been a big huge physical media.
[SPEAKER_05]: Next group that has started doing streaming and much like criterion has been doing.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, it looks like canopy and Kina both have this moving.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I haven't wasn't able to find it, get it, get it watched, but it definitely looks like something that I would enjoy as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, good stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I decided today in light of Chris recommending a nineteen nineties epic martial arts film with geopolitical themes and all this going on and Jeremy recommending this nineteen century father son redemptive journey kind of film that I also wanted to be deep in meaningful so I'm gonna recommend the newly low and stitch.
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought you're about to say the naked gun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Could it done that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Could it done that as well?
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and probably should have.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but I will tell you this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fairly open-minded to these Disney remakes when I feel like they have some sort of purpose to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I feel like they're changing something or doing something a little bit different.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought there were things in the Aladdin remake that were really valuable and important and I really liked.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought there was some stuff in the beauty and the beast remake that I thought was really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then when they're like the Lion King one and it's just exactly the same movie and nothing changes, I just zone out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's pretty to look at and that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I went into this expecting more Lion King than those others and was pleasantly surprised.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, maybe this is because I actually don't really care for the original Lilo and Stitch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, it came a little bit after I was, you know, that age to be super into Disney movies, which is funny for me to say, because I'm still super into Disney movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was one of those things that I just, I watched and I was like, I don't vibe with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not quite following the
[SPEAKER_01]: the you know the ohana means family things seems weird to me when you are not the best caregiver to this child like you are you know like it's one of those things where I just came away from it with with a lot of
[SPEAKER_01]: questions and not enjoying it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this one kind of fixes a lot of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's also really, really fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: The two main actors, Sidney, I'm going to say a goodong who plays Nani, the older sister, and Miyah Kiyola.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say plays Lilo.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are both
[SPEAKER_01]: amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're so well cast.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're so fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: This little girl is a joy to watch on screen.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Stitch character is surprisingly well integrated into the live action.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's still weird that people are saying that this is a dog.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand what kind of mass delusion is going on here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is really, really interestingly rendered.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Billy Magnuson and Zach Gallifonakis as the two aliens that chase them around are so funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I had an entertaining time with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had some fun with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've come to find out, I am way in the minority on the ending, not to spoil things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I loved the change that happens at the end of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that this movie needed that change where I think most fans of the original think it ruins.
[SPEAKER_01]: the movie from what I understand and I am in complete opposition to that without spoiling anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the the change at the end had to happen for this movie to really work.
[SPEAKER_01]: So and makes it work even more for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I had a really good time with Lilo and Stitch and so I thought I'd bring it up.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm really glad that this movie is better than Lilo and Stitch.
[SPEAKER_05]: Stitch has a glitch.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm really glad about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's really exciting for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's important thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's get on to our big recommend.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm fine.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just that you're so big.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good role, but it's bigger than rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's bigger on the inside.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I noticed.
[SPEAKER_05]: Which is Valkyrie.
[SPEAKER_05]: And this was my choice.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so I will start us off.
[SPEAKER_05]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_05]: Valkyrie is a two thousand eight film co-written by Christopher McCquarie and directed by Brian Singer, which is a usual suspects reunion.
[SPEAKER_05]: Nathan Alexander gets a co-writing credit on this, but he doesn't have any other writing credits aside from an episode of TV show called The Code.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I looked at Wikipedia and I was like, why did this guy get on the writing?
[SPEAKER_05]: And it said, Chris McCquarie wanted him to be on the writing of this.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, but why?
[SPEAKER_05]: The movie begins with people shouting, the German loyalty oath to Hitler.
[SPEAKER_05]: Then we see Colonel Kloss von Stoffenberg and boy am I going to mess up names in this.
[SPEAKER_05]: You thought you had some problems with the names in Leelo and Stitch.
[SPEAKER_05]: Aaron, I messed these up quite often.
[SPEAKER_05]: So are you German people out there?
[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_05]: Plane, uh, uh, Colonel Kloss von Stoffenburg, plays played by Tom Cruise, writing a letter in German, which we hear as narration until it John McTernan's into English.
[SPEAKER_05]: Kloss is writing about being driven by more than fighting for his country in the face of the mass extermination of the Jews he's driven by saving lives.
[SPEAKER_05]: And he can't find any generals who have the courage to confront Hitler.
[SPEAKER_05]: he is surrounded by people who haven't quite figured out that this Hitler guy is kind of terrible and is the enemy of not only the free world but of Germany itself.
[SPEAKER_05]: World War II is clearly coming to a close because the allies are advancing quickly and classes visited by a general played by Bernard Hill who gives him clearly feudal battle plans in the North African theater.
[SPEAKER_05]: Cloud tells the general they'll need these soldiers when Berlin is attacked.
[SPEAKER_05]: We can serve Germany or the fewer not both.
[SPEAKER_05]: Clause gives the general aruse about a low water supply to serve as cover for their retreat, which the general accepts.
[SPEAKER_05]: Not too long after that, they are attacked by allied planes, which Clause barely survives.
[SPEAKER_05]: On the German Eastern Front in Russia, Hitler, played by David Bamber, visits his military brass.
[SPEAKER_05]: Major General Henning von Tresco, played by Kenneth Brana, is trying to rig a bottle of quaintro with explosives, or quaintro, or quaintro.
[SPEAKER_05]: He hands it to Colonel Heinz Brant, played by Tom Hollander, who is happy to take it on Hitler's departing plane.
[SPEAKER_05]: They wait for news, but eventually here that it's plain safely landed.
[SPEAKER_05]: He calls Brant to tell him that he gave them the wrong package and he'll be in Berlin shortly to pick it back up in Berlin.
[SPEAKER_05]: He runs into General Friedrich Ulbrick, played by Bill Nyey, who feels like they've been found out because one of their conspirators had been arrested by the Gestapo.
[SPEAKER_05]: After a somewhat tense scene where Brent brings out the quaintro package and asks if Tresco wants to drink, but Tresco manages to talk his way out of it and takes it away.
[SPEAKER_05]: He then asks all Brick to find a replacement for their arrested friend and that it might take, looking outside of Berlin to find that person.
[SPEAKER_05]: Clouse is visited in the hospital by the Red Witch, which will have so many ramifications for season six of Game of Thrones.
[SPEAKER_05]: Nah, it's just as why I played by Carey Sven Halton.
[SPEAKER_05]: Clouse has lost his right hand, fingers on his left hand, and his left eye.
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't see much of her, however, as the movie moves on to his meeting with Ulbrick, who is there to recruit him.
[SPEAKER_05]: Clouse knows that if he accepts his actions would make him a traitor, which he accepts.
[SPEAKER_05]: His worry is for his family if the plot fails.
[SPEAKER_05]: At the conspirator meeting, there is an argument about the best way to confront Hitler after the quaintro bomb didn't work.
[SPEAKER_05]: One of the men seems to think that simply forcing him out of power is the best solution, to which the newbie of the group class asks, what happens once Hitler is removed?
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you got a plan for that?
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you think you'd be able to control the military after Hitler gone?
[SPEAKER_05]: They seem confident that they can, which makes the very skeptical class decide he's not eating.
[SPEAKER_05]: Knowing that the loyalty oath extends beyond Hitler, he discusses the power vacuum with Vantresco, who also seems singularly focused on one goal without truly considering the next steps.
[SPEAKER_05]: But Vantresco asks class to figure something out.
[SPEAKER_05]: At home, with the wife and kids, the kids put on a record of right of the Valkyries, a popular tune from all the apocalypse now stands in nineteen places.
[SPEAKER_05]: This moment is broken up by bombing outside and they go down into a bomb shelter to wait it out.
[SPEAKER_05]: The song still audible from above inspires Claus to bring the conspirators the idea of Operation Valkyries.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hitler's emergency army that is to be deployed if he is cut off or killed.
[SPEAKER_05]: Claus asked the room to think about a situation in which the SS is trying to overthrow Hitler.
[SPEAKER_05]: High command would have no choice but to declare an emergency, which would cause the Reserve Army to attack the SS.
[SPEAKER_05]: While that happens, the conspirators can put a new government in place, but this can only work if Hitler's actually dead.
[SPEAKER_05]: Also, Operation Valkyrie would need to be rewritten so that the SS would be excluded from it, being able to get the new orders out to the people power would also be a difficult task, as the new orders would be evidence of treason, and it would require Hitler's signature.
[SPEAKER_05]: Then, they'd have to turn a career Nazi named General Friedrich From, who's in control of the backup army into a willing stage.
[SPEAKER_05]: With the time running out, they think they can turn him based on his dissatisfaction with his lack of promotions.
[SPEAKER_05]: At this point, you might be quite right that Tom Cruise is somehow hired Brian Singer to direct a new mission impossible without the branding.
[SPEAKER_05]: Klaus and Old Brick and Klaus and Old Brick visit From played by Tom Wilkinson.
[SPEAKER_05]: Everybody's Tom in this, by the way, there's so many Tom's in this movie.
[SPEAKER_05]: From those classes critical of the war, but class counters that he's only critical of indecision, specifically from Germany's leaders.
[SPEAKER_05]: From ask what kind of thing he has in mind to fix the situation, and he says, rash action.
[SPEAKER_05]: When from ask what kind of rash action, class takes a swing for the fences and says, that's up to the supreme military commander, second only to the chancellor.
[SPEAKER_05]: from understands that he's getting at what he's getting at and tells Klaus that if he were such a man, the war would be going differently.
[SPEAKER_05]: We also reminds them of their oath to Hitler before removing what seems to be a bug from his phone.
[SPEAKER_05]: He then tells them that he's going to forget this conversation to never bring it up again in this building.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that as long as Hitler is alive, from intense to stand by his oath, which says a lot without coming out and fully saying it.
[SPEAKER_05]: At a club, Klaus sets up a clandestine meeting in a bathroom with General Eric, Fela, Felgibble, Felgibble.
[SPEAKER_05]: uh, played by Eddie Isard.
[SPEAKER_05]: The general reminds class how close he is to Hitler and how much danger he's in by approaching him in this way, but class doesn't seem phased.
[SPEAKER_05]: When Eric warns him again about contract contacting him, class basically black males him with the very fact that he's already broken his oath by not reporting him in the first place.
[SPEAKER_05]: Class tells Eric that the actions taking place are inevitable and that if he helps, he can potentially avoid the infamy of being on the wrong side when he does.
[SPEAKER_05]: While rewriting Operation Valkyrie Tresco tells Klaus, he has been sent to the front.
[SPEAKER_05]: So now Klaus is in charge of the military operation of the plan.
[SPEAKER_05]: Tresco reminds Klaus that there can be no conflicting orders once Valkyrie begins, which requires cutting off all communication after the operation is underway.
[SPEAKER_05]: Klaus has an idea of who can help preferring us the audience to general Eric, but says it's probably better if he doesn't tell Tresco who it is.
[SPEAKER_05]: In the next scene, Old Rick tells Clouse he's been promoted to the chief of staff of the Reserve Army, which is a job the Reich is giving him without knowing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Of course, about his Operation Valkyrie Plants, although Clouse initially rejects the promotion, Old Rick tells him they need him to do this because it gets him closer to Hitler, which will give them more information that they'll need.
[SPEAKER_05]: He then tells Clouse he has an agitent outside who comes highly recommended, a Lieutenant Werner von Heften, played by Jamie Parker.
[SPEAKER_05]: Klaus, knowing there's no time to fuck around, tells the lieutenant he's engaging in high treason, and Klaus asks if he's on board with that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Luckily, he is.
[SPEAKER_05]: They go to Hitler's private residence to give him a presentation, which Colonel Brant wants to review before they go in, but General Fram puts the cabash on that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Inside the inner sanctum, Hitler praises Klaus for all he sacrificed for the country.
[SPEAKER_05]: Clouse needs Hitler to sign the new Operation Valkyrie documents with the rules that they are here to get a signature for the new operations and Normandy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hitler denies they even need to change anything in Normandy, so he declines.
[SPEAKER_05]: So Clouse, not one to fuck around, ask them if he'll sign off on the new plans for Operation Valkyrie, expecting him not to read it too carefully.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hitler is easily impressed with Clouse's knowledge of Wagner in the new document and signs it without any questions.
[SPEAKER_05]: The next part of the plan is to get a tutorial on how to make explosives from Colonel Murtz von Quinnheim, played by Frischin Berkel.
[SPEAKER_05]: The bomb, the Colonel suggests, is somewhat complicated, and he gives them an estimate of thirty minutes before the bomb goes off.
[SPEAKER_05]: But perhaps, ten to fifteen with all the heat at the Wolf's Lair, giving them a very imprecise amount of time.
[SPEAKER_05]: The Colonel expects the small bomb to work like gangbusters, given the parameters of Hitler's bunker.
[SPEAKER_05]: The way it structured makes explosions more lethal.
[SPEAKER_05]: A plan is made that even if Hitler does survive, Valkyrie will still be initiated.
[SPEAKER_05]: General Eric, the man he met in the bathroom, will cut off the communication once it's underway.
[SPEAKER_05]: That will give them the time they need to overtake the government.
[SPEAKER_05]: Old Brick adds a difficult wrinkle to the plan, though.
[SPEAKER_05]: He wants him to be killed in the blast as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: And only proceed if they can get both him and Hitler.
[SPEAKER_05]: Clouse, suspecting one of the political conspirators added that Rinkle will only agree to this if the decision is unanimous, but only as long as the appoint someone who's not a politician to the board, Clouse indicates Colonel Merch's the bomb guy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Look, the Beck played by Terence Stamp reminds Clouse that this is a military operation and nothing ever goes to plan.
[SPEAKER_05]: That briefs the conspirators about how this is going to go down.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hitler is called a military meeting.
[SPEAKER_05]: Once everyone gets in the meeting, class will begin the operation.
[SPEAKER_05]: After getting authorization, class will set off the bomb and will ask Eric to cut off the communications.
[SPEAKER_05]: They assume from will not go along, so all brick, without from's knowledge, will take over the Reserve Army and initiate Valkyrie, notifying all the district commanders that the SS is trying to pull off a coup.
[SPEAKER_05]: The Reserve Army, with orders in hand, will arrest all SS Gestapo and Nazi officials.
[SPEAKER_05]: By that time, Klaus will be in Berlin to take over the Reserve Army and other conspirators, will insert themselves into top positions, and hopefully negotiate a truce with the Allies.
[SPEAKER_05]: Everyone will carry a yellow slip of paper to identify themselves as a member of the operation, which they will not have access to the parameters without.
[SPEAKER_05]: At the beginning of the operation at the Communications Center, a curious message pops up, saying, all brick is ordering the reserve army to go to all the districts.
[SPEAKER_05]: While this brings up questions that the Nazi outpost, it is considered to be a drill, and it's allowed to go through.
[SPEAKER_05]: Although it's funny, once the order reaches one of the commanders, he's like, this better not be a drill, and with that, the reserve army is mobilized.
[SPEAKER_05]: Onto the wolf's layer, where class and verner make it beyond all the checkpoints and inside and inside with all the military types and the bunker.
[SPEAKER_05]: One of those guys takes class's briefcase as a matter of courtesy and sticks it under a table with a bunch of other briefcase, which means don't be surprised when that briefcase gets taken by mistake.
[SPEAKER_05]: From begins a debr- from begins a debriefing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Verner reminds class that hymler isn't there, which I'm sure he knows, but maybe the audience doesn't.
[SPEAKER_05]: Clouse steps out to call old brick and ask if he can proceed without him or they call back who says no and that end that is related to Clouse.
[SPEAKER_05]: Clouse asks Colonel merch over the phone what he thinks and he says yes, any loophole you can find, I guess.
[SPEAKER_05]: The bomb briefcase is indeed taken by someone else once the meeting moves to another room, but that's just a bit of false tension because one of the Nazis gives Clouse the bag once he finds it.
[SPEAKER_05]: However, the plans derailment due to him or his absence is felt immediately.
[SPEAKER_05]: From gets wind of the reserve army mobilization and calls it off, saying it was a drill.
[SPEAKER_05]: He yells at old brick and clouds for doing it behind his back, saying he nearly lost his commission over it.
[SPEAKER_05]: A whole lot of blaming starts going on at conspirator headquarters.
[SPEAKER_05]: Old brick lament limits that they may not be able to call a truce with the allies if they make it to Berlin before they carry out the plant.
[SPEAKER_05]: Clouse blames the failure on politics with the idea that adding him to the mix has made the operation impossible.
[SPEAKER_05]: This leads to the politician Carl wanting to relieve class of his duties.
[SPEAKER_05]: Backsteps in telling him that the chief of police is issued a warrant for Carl's arrest.
[SPEAKER_05]: He'll have to leave Germany until they can do the operation and make him chancellor.
[SPEAKER_05]: Beck gives class full discretion.
[SPEAKER_05]: Old Rick says he won't be able to mobilize the Reserve Army again unless they follow through this time.
[SPEAKER_05]: On the day of the second attempt, Clouse knicks himself shaving in the blood as visible on his collar.
[SPEAKER_05]: This allows him to ask for a place to change without being suspicious.
[SPEAKER_05]: Clouse thin gets down in the bunker to find out the meeting has been moved up because Hitler is going to have lunch with Mussolini.
[SPEAKER_05]: Clouse asked Eric to notify him of any phone call he gets even if he's in a meeting with Hitler.
[SPEAKER_05]: They then go inside the changing room to assemble the bomb.
[SPEAKER_05]: In the middle of it, they are interrupted by a nosy soldier who is informing them that Hitler is in the briefing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Things start getting rushed.
[SPEAKER_05]: Nonetheless, the bomb is armed.
[SPEAKER_05]: Class asks Werner to go ahead and get the car.
[SPEAKER_05]: Once again, nosy guy picks up the briefcase as they approach the bunker, but Clouse finds out the meeting room has been changed to a place that might not have the proper physics to blow up the way they need it to.
[SPEAKER_05]: This place has open windows and more opportunity for the blast to direct its energy in other places.
[SPEAKER_05]: Clouse requests to be sad as close to Hitler as possible under the rules that his war injuries have left him hard of hearing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Clouse gets the briefcase in positions as close as he can.
[SPEAKER_05]: This meeting is a debrief on heavy losses being sustained.
[SPEAKER_05]: Clouse gets notified on of his phone call.
[SPEAKER_05]: He gets the message he needs leaving the briefcase behind.
[SPEAKER_05]: Colonel Brant moves it to a slightly different place under the table.
[SPEAKER_05]: The bomb explodes and Clouse gets into a vehicle with Werner and a random soldier telling that soldier to drive.
[SPEAKER_05]: The plan is in motion with Eric calling Ulbrick and Merck's and telling them that Hitler is, uh, something.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, he cuts off the communications after that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Old Brick and Merts don't know if Hitler's dead or not, and they also can't call back to confirm.
[SPEAKER_05]: Merts thinks they should start balcony anyway, but Old Brick says they can't go without Fram's orders.
[SPEAKER_05]: Merts tells Old Brick to tell him Hitler's dead or arrest Fram because time is of the essence, but Old Brick freezes.
[SPEAKER_05]: class get stopped at the checkpoint trying to invoke Hitler's or Hitler's orders to get them to open the gate.
[SPEAKER_05]: He is refused.
[SPEAKER_05]: So he goes to a phone to call someone, which, of course, is a ruse.
[SPEAKER_05]: He pretends to get a higher up on the phone and even blust that the checkpoint guy won't check the phone to confirm on the way out.
[SPEAKER_05]: They throw out evidence from the car and a rando and the rando driver dude knows the rup to something.
[SPEAKER_05]: He drives them to a waiting plane and gives them such a sneering.
[SPEAKER_05]: The reserved army gets another standby alert from a rogue merch.
[SPEAKER_05]: The delay causes a problem with clouds and verners get away car and Berlin after the plane lands.
[SPEAKER_05]: Clouds calls Ulbrick and tells them to fuck his own face.
[SPEAKER_05]: Clouds ask him if from is with them, but no one has spoken to from.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now tells Albert if he wants to survive, he will need to initiate Valkyrie under From's name.
[SPEAKER_05]: If he doesn't join them arrest him, Albert then officially starts Valkyrie.
[SPEAKER_05]: The news creates quite the scene in the communications room as all the women receiving messages on their machines raise their hands to get a supervisor to confirm them.
[SPEAKER_05]: The reserve army gets their orders.
[SPEAKER_05]: Back at Fram's office, Fram wants to know if it's confirmed that Hitler is dead.
[SPEAKER_05]: Fram calls the Wolf Lair, and he finds out that he is not.
[SPEAKER_05]: Field Marshal Kidal asks where Klaus is, since he left his hat in the room, and let's face it, probably was responsible for that bomb that went off.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's even got sneering Rando Nazi driver, telling him what he saw.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, class is basically fucked if they find it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Class enters the room and announces Valkyrie's ineffective, and that Olbrick did it pretending to be from.
[SPEAKER_05]: From is given the ultimate them to join them, which he refuses, so they arrest him.
[SPEAKER_05]: Back informs class that the Berlin police will not interfere and gets confirmed confirmation from them in person.
[SPEAKER_05]: Then nearly everyone in on the plan joins in a small room to flash their yellow conspirator cards as a symbol of unity.
[SPEAKER_05]: He tells all of them that in three hours no one from the Nazi government will be in power again.
[SPEAKER_05]: A series of phone calls to various power sections around the districts are made to ensure they are on board with what is going on.
[SPEAKER_05]: While they scramble to get the new government in place of the districts, they still don't quite have Berlin yet.
[SPEAKER_05]: After this, the Communication Center gets conflicting messages.
[SPEAKER_05]: One is from class ordering the arrest of Gables.
[SPEAKER_05]: Another one is from the Wolf's Lair ordering the arrest of class.
[SPEAKER_05]: The decision is made not to interpret the orders, just send them through, so they do.
[SPEAKER_05]: These orders make it to the reserve army commander who decides he needs to figure out who the hell is actually in power before making a move.
[SPEAKER_05]: Gabbles is going to take a cyanide pill before getting arrested, but he holds it in his mouth while he tries to figure things out.
[SPEAKER_05]: He gets a direct call to Hitler when the reserve army major comes into arrest him.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hitler speaks directly to the guy to confirm he's not dead and orders him to take all the traders alive.
[SPEAKER_05]: At the communications place, the order goes out to take only communications from Wolfslayer and to stop any communications from Klaus.
[SPEAKER_05]: Meanwhile, a clueless general walks into the conspirator headquarters demanding what the hell's going on.
[SPEAKER_05]: Klaus tells him all the appropriate lies, but this guy won't do anything unless he hears from General From.
[SPEAKER_05]: Klaus informs him he's under arrest, but General sees the trees and runs out yelling the few who is not dead.
[SPEAKER_05]: He is then arrested and taken to the same room from his being held.
[SPEAKER_05]: From gives a knowing wave to a lieutenant outside in the hallway.
[SPEAKER_05]: Meanwhile, it looks like the good guys are losing the districts that they had one hours ago.
[SPEAKER_05]: The operation has definitely failed.
[SPEAKER_05]: Klaus tries to get a new message about Hitler being dead out, but that of course has no chance in hell.
[SPEAKER_05]: Klaus doesn't understand how the bomb didn't work.
[SPEAKER_05]: He repeats to himself.
[SPEAKER_05]: I saw the blast and I know, Klaus, cinema sends would have totally said Hitler survives this if this were a work of fiction.
[SPEAKER_05]: Shortly after the conspirators realized that their lines have been cut, he can't figure out if his family is safe, it's time to go on the run.
[SPEAKER_05]: Clouds runs into old brick getting arrested.
[SPEAKER_05]: A gun battle occurs in a hallway, not long after that, Clouds is officially arrested.
[SPEAKER_05]: From doesn't impromptu court martial where he sentences the six arrested conspirators to death.
[SPEAKER_05]: Even though the reserve army major tells from this order from Hitler to keep them alive, he gets a duly noted back in response.
[SPEAKER_05]: Back who requests the pistol does the thing that they were going to do to him anyway.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sham trials are conducted for the other people who got caught who got caught later.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hitler gets on the radio to prove to everyone he's still alive.
[SPEAKER_05]: The five remaining people with clouds are taken to a firing squad.
[SPEAKER_05]: We cut the Tresco in the middle of the woods where he pulls the pin of a grenade and puts it directly under his chin.
[SPEAKER_05]: We see a series of people getting executed.
[SPEAKER_05]: Werner walks in, walks in front of clouds just before he's about to get shot to express solidarity, even in the last moments.
[SPEAKER_05]: Also, clouds has to be the last one that gets shot.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's Tom Cruise, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: So that's the way that goes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Class yells, long-lived sacred Germany before he is shot while Fram looks on.
[SPEAKER_05]: The punchline from is executed not too long after.
[SPEAKER_05]: Blurbs at the end at the end tell us that the Valkyrie plot was the last of fifteen known attempts on Hitler's life.
[SPEAKER_05]: He would, of course, die nine months later, we get an update that classes wife and family survived the war and she died in two thousand six.
[SPEAKER_05]: Classbound Stoffenburg is memorialized along with many others on the German resistance memorial in Berlin.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's the movie.
[SPEAKER_05]: Guys, what did you think of Valkyrie?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I've seen this movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is my third time, but it's been a long time, but the thing that stuck out to me this time is how visually scrumptious it is like the colors.
[SPEAKER_02]: just pop like especially when they're going through the forest.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's an average movie would give you a little brown, a little green.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this movie gives you like, fifty two shades.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just the colors just kept jumping out to me and every scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I hesitate to praise anything that Brian Singer may have directly been involved in although IMDB suggests that recorded plenty of ghost directing on this days that Singer was late or not there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, this movie is good.
[SPEAKER_02]: This movie is good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's tense and it starts tense and only gets more tense.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is one of those movies where because it's a real story, even knowing the outcome, you still feel tension.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oddly, I'm going to compare it to Apollo thirteen in that regard in that you know how it works out, but knowing the end doesn't keep you from feeling every moment of tension as you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really like
[SPEAKER_02]: the way that film decided to have everybody speak in their normal accent instead of trying to emulate like a German accent speaking English.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that would have been more distracting to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the way that the film starts out having him read in German and then transition to English, I think sort of just gives you that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nick Tiernan kind of, okay, now we're gonna be in English and it's no big book.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tom Cruise is really good in this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I'm hesitant to keep praise on the Scientologist, but my favorite scene is the one you mentioned Chris, where he gets introduced to his new assistant, tells him to close the door, and then basically says, I am in every waking moment of my life engaged in trees and are you down?
[SPEAKER_02]: And the guy goes, yes, for any.
[SPEAKER_02]: that whole thing ends right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just several moments you mentioned Chris where he just he has he has to do a ballsy thing and hope.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like there's not enough time.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think a lot of times people forget about stuff like that when doing it when you're doing any any kind of thing that you know, but it's going it's
[SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of times people forget that yes, you would be great if you had all these great all this circumstance that we're in your favor, but they don't have the time here because they need to be on the right side when the allies come in and that's happening quickly and that's the reason why they have to work so fast on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that opening scene is really great because you get what you need to know about Cruz's character and that he's not super happy with the way the war's going or even Hitler.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that is interrupted by a surprise attack.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's it's a brief attack scene, but it's still shot really well.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it just kicks off everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's again, you know, Brian seems bad, but this movie is good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really like, I think Tom Cruise with curly hair is weird was my first note.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll just have to get over it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, those are my main thoughts, Aaron.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree with everything that you said about what makes this movie entertaining and fun to watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: The tension specifically was something I really wanted to focus on because there are two or three scenes where there's just expert level tensioning.
[SPEAKER_01]: going on and really great use of informational shots that last just long enough that you know what they mean like the shot of the open windows right like we're in the midst of this change and we know what it means and then there's a shot of open windows doesn't you know have a character saying oh the windows are open that means it's going to just like you know like it's just expertly lets you feel what Tom Cruise's character is going through I also noted the colors I love
[SPEAKER_01]: the vividness of some of the artistic stuff going on here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say when I first rated this movie after seeing it, I gave it one star out of five and I think that's unfair.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I know where it comes from and here's the comparison I'm going to use.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is for me the greatest showman of war movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, what I mean by that is, it is a movie that is expertly done, that is super entertaining.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is, you know, the music in Great of Showman is great, just like the directing is great here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it takes a character from history.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I'm not going to claim to know everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it kind of changes everybody into a hero when it just wasn't that black and white like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there is plenty of evidence as far as I understand it that these assassination attempts weren't about Hitler's immorality.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were about his inadequacy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Much of it was about trying to take him out so somebody else
[SPEAKER_01]: could lead in a way that made more sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now for I'm sure for some people that was the the human devastation element of it was a big part of it, but they're at least in my my reading and my understanding of this situation in particular and especially Tom Cruise is a character who he's representing, you know, is he was not like a good dude as we would say, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like so there is this element of
[SPEAKER_01]: taking a real-life thing that is very meaningful and then putting this gloss on at this scene on at this action movie kind of idea on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That works like it's really fun to watch and really interesting, but it plays on
[SPEAKER_01]: a falsity of motive that just I get's under my skin it just gets under my skin a little bit so that's probably where that came from and again I think that's an unfair rating I think it'd be more fair to take this movie on its own terms and its own fiction and in whatever but
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is really wonderfully made and I really enjoy so much of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just hard to get past the gloss that is that makes these men heroes when I'm not sure it was that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to listen to this podcast about Valkyrie.
[SPEAKER_02]: They compared it to a Paul thirteen and greatest showman.
[SPEAKER_01]: in both I think made sense.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to be as productive about Aaron's opinion as he is of the movie that he compared it to.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like this in the untouchables.
[SPEAKER_05]: You just can't be a different character than you were in real life.
[SPEAKER_05]: Aaron's going to say no, no, no, not real.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's something, I don't know, there's something that's important to me about valorization and what it can do to because then it then you have this this changing of ideas of, you know, what morality looks like in humanity and I think we just need to be more willing to accept.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gray in our in our characters in just valorization is just I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's something about it that yeah, it gets to under my skin.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, we always have this debate right about commerce and art and sure to try to sell this movie as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: They weren't really about getting Hitler out because he was a bad guy.
[SPEAKER_05]: How does that, how do you sell that to the public?
[SPEAKER_05]: Probably can't you can sell it to the local bell court theater in Nashville if you want to.
[SPEAKER_05]: But you can't sell it to regal cinemas or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: So that is a weird thing and I agree it's one of those things that if you do know the real story.
[SPEAKER_05]: that does detract a lot from it if you really just like believe in like let's just tell the story with the works and all and everything like that and so like I totally get that and everything and and and and I think also
[SPEAKER_05]: You're saying, like, let's just not call this, like, let's not call this balcony.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's not call the use the real names and all that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's change everybody's names and say this and doing glorious bastards.
[SPEAKER_05]: Basically, let's just do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just do that.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I can totally see that, too, because the movie still sells based on Tom Cruise.
[SPEAKER_05]: And just all the people who are in it and everything, if you just call it something else and you just say it's based on a real story, but we really changed a lot so that you don't think this is a documentary or something like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I totally understand that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Totally, totally get it.
[SPEAKER_05]: So great to show when it is.
[SPEAKER_05]: It is exactly that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: There are a lot of times that we've been hearing, I've been seeing in the chat and some discussion about
[SPEAKER_05]: the use of people's real accents instead of trying to do a German accent and everything.
[SPEAKER_05]: And this is a I love this philosophy.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love that they did it this way.
[SPEAKER_05]: This was something that was kind of brought up when Chernobyl came out.
[SPEAKER_05]: where all the actors and everything we're told just go with your normal accent it's not like it's not like you're taken out of the the reality of it just because you're not speaking in that weird John mouth of it's Russian accent or whatever and everything and so Chernobyl.
[SPEAKER_05]: took a cue from a movie called CitizenX which hopefully one day I'll have a chance to big recommend CitizenX.
[SPEAKER_05]: The movie that came out on HBO back in nineteen ninety five, Stephen Ray.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's about a serial killer in Russia and they didn't have any kind of, you know, they didn't have the infrastructure to investigate a serial killer and everything.
[SPEAKER_05]: Everybody in that movie decided we're just going to use our real accents and the reason is
[SPEAKER_05]: You get a whole bunch of actors and you tell them, I want you to do a certain such and such accent.
[SPEAKER_05]: Everybody goes wild with them.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's so completely like incongruous to each other and everything that, you know, you start, that becomes the distraction, not that they're using their real voices.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're just, they're just going off on these actory things.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so I appreciate that too, like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: If Tom Cruise tried to pull off a German accent in this, I'm sure he would try.
[SPEAKER_05]: I would have spent a year in Germany with the best German, you know, communicators in the world and everything and it still would have come off weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's for to do an accent well for the entire shoot of a movie, particularly like so so I just wrote on a video for Thunderbolts and I made a crack about Florence Pius, Russian lapsing into American even though he's British.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because there are scenes where her accent is really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then there are scenes where it's not.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they were probably shot five months apart.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a hard thing to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, you agree with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that was the right choice.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, I like this movie, despite Aaron.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I think Aaron likes it too.
[SPEAKER_05]: He just, I do.
[SPEAKER_05]: I do just rather it be presented a different way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's it's a separate I think they're two separate things like you take the movie on its own terms and so this is a good movie like this is a really well done movie and then I think there's another discussion worth having that you kind of talk about as well and you know and maybe there's something there that the movie could have done different but I think you know I think there's a way to separate things I want to ask and they may be no answer to this in my ignorance watching this movie I wondered is this
[SPEAKER_02]: Is this is the fact that the Germans referred to these areas as districts?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that why a hunger game calls them districts?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it trying to evoke that kind of
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't I think that's just the what they came up with.
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't buy the the areas and everything it's just the it's just a common term or whatever.
[SPEAKER_05]: Josh says I miss missed pronounced incongruous.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry that I couldn't say all the words correctly on a live setting Josh.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I was in Congress.
[SPEAKER_05]: Is that good?
[SPEAKER_05]: You don't feel like that enough?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I said.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then it was, you know, called out.
[SPEAKER_05]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_05]: I said it.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_05]: I said it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I knew it.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then it was, it was put out there on chat for everybody to enjoy.
[SPEAKER_05]: And you know, good on you Josh.
[SPEAKER_05]: Does it feel good being superior?
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, let's get on to our super secret double feature.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just kidding Josh of course The very very quiet secret watch a little secret to tell you something I've never told anyone
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go ahead and kick us off.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a, I think a fairly recent movie, two thousand sixteen, but I don't think a lot of people got around to seeing it, but it also deals with the attempted assassination of a war leader during the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is anthropoid.
[SPEAKER_01]: This stars Jamie Dornin and Kelly Murphy as two people of the resistance who are trying to, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: kill this world leader and it just reminded me a lot of of this movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: It kind of is a slow start setting up the exposition setting up who these people are setting up what they're trying to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: But man, the end is as they attempt this assassination is so well done in so tense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I highly recommend it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe it is also based on a true story as well of that attempted.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still recommended this on the previous podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was a movie that made me realize Jamie Dornan was actually a really great actor.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there is a multi story gun battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: in this movie, maybe the climax.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't quite remember it's super well that is astonishing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so yeah, I remember seeing this and liking it and recommending it, so that's a good call definitely.
[SPEAKER_02]: My going, I'm not giving you, but the one that I think would be on the nose, two on the nose for me to actually give you would be the jury dozen, where they actually put together a band of rag tag.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're even prisoners and send them on a mission to try and kill Hitler.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's one movie I kept thinking of and how it made me feel and this movie was making me feel the same way and that's Argo.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's particular when it was from Ben Affleck where
[SPEAKER_02]: There is an operation that few people know about and the tension starts with the opening scene and really never lets up until the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, I would put you through the ring or twice if I were scheduling this double feature.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you leave, you're going to need a nap.
[SPEAKER_05]: The Jeremy Argos not good because it didn't follow the exact story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that guy wasn't actually a good friend.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was terrible.
[SPEAKER_05]: It'd downplayed the Canadian influence and that operations.
[SPEAKER_01]: That guy was a real jerk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was a real jerk.
[SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: There was a good one in the chat.
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't mean to just pick on one because there's several of them.
[SPEAKER_05]: But Flyboy said conspiracy, which is another movie.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you guys haven't seen
[SPEAKER_05]: great movie also has Kenneth Branagh and it but it's it's uh it's about how all these different factions of Germans met together to figure out what they were gonna do about the Jews and everything and so like that's a really really good and stunning movie it's like yeah jaw is gonna drop when you want it's at the first time you've seen it but
[SPEAKER_01]: And is the the second movie in the Kenneth Prana plays a Nazi trilogy, uh, the first being swing kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you got swing kids.
[SPEAKER_05]: That needs to be a triple feature like we want to.
[SPEAKER_05]: We start with swing kids or maybe we end it with swing kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: who knows who knows.
[SPEAKER_05]: That would be amazing.
[SPEAKER_05]: All right, let's go on to what our homework is for next week, which is we're going to be back on Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_05]: Next week, Jeremy, it's believe it's your turn.
[SPEAKER_05]: What are you going to get?
[SPEAKER_05]: What are you presenting for us?
[SPEAKER_02]: I have been since the inception of Rectopia.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have been wanting to big recommend this movie and it has not been available on streaming until
[SPEAKER_02]: like three weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is Danny Boyle's Sunshine.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the sci-fi movie about
[SPEAKER_02]: a Hail Mary of a mission to revive the dying sun and the astronauts encounter a long lost ship with a distress signal and mysterious things happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a stacked cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got Killing Murphy Roseburn, Shelyo Chris Evans, Benedict Wong, Cliff Curtis.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mark Strong.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's one of my favorite movies, and I haven't been able to see it in probably five or six years.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm very excited to get back to it personally.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Garland Ritten.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we know him as a sci-fi director.
[SPEAKER_02]: And well, he's not doing here sci-fi anymore, but he was a sci-fi guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have the early career.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm trying to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, I keep interrupting it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now, Danny Boyle directed it.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's one of those kind of special experiences for me too, because I was in New York when this movie came out.
[SPEAKER_05]: I went to a theater called the sunshine that played this movie and Danny Boyle did a Q&A afterwards.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it was really cool.
[SPEAKER_05]: He didn't stay long, but it was it was still fun.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's for everything.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I'd be good to revisit this.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think I've seen it since it came out.
[SPEAKER_05]: So this will be like watching it again.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, watching it for the first time or whatever.
[SPEAKER_05]: But what, where did you say I was interrupting you as well?
[SPEAKER_02]: Where were you saying that you can find that it's on Hulu and Disney Plus, which I read yesterday, will merge in twenty twenty six and who is going to go away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it'll just have Disney Plus will just have all the content.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we'll have Disney+.
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll have everything that has ever been created on the Earth in probably ten years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they just announced the ESPN dedicated service to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They also like are they merging that into?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, ESPN bought some of the NFL, which to me, there's there's so many like weird conflicts of interest with the ESPN buying the NFL.
[SPEAKER_05]: They have a betting site.
[SPEAKER_05]: They have all these different things that a news organization shouldn't have, but
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a life we live these days, folks.
[SPEAKER_02]: I told my wife, who was going away and it was going to merge with Disney Plaza and she said, well, how much will they jack up the price?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no kidding.
[SPEAKER_05]: No kidding.
[SPEAKER_05]: It looks like we have time for one question.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm listening.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's see here.
[SPEAKER_05]: in light of Freddy versus Jason or the Batman versus alien slash predators comics.
[SPEAKER_05]: What two famous movie characters would you like to see facing off in a crossover film?
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I don't know what kind of scenario you'd put these two in, but share out Sherlock Holmes and Hercules Poro would be an interesting versus to me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe who can solve the same crime faster or maybe one of them themselves commits a murder or something.
[SPEAKER_05]: You take one of your beloved heroes and turn them into a murderer like you did with Phelps and Mission Impossible.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, that time of thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, but I think it would be cool to have them kind of versus and maybe they just sort of, you know, the Hollywood way would be combine them at the end.
[SPEAKER_05]: They combine there their talents together by the end of it and solve the crime.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's who I want to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's cool idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm going to put Jason Bourne and James Bond and a movie together because they go about things in different ways.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, Bond is more swath and fast cars and gadgets and Bourne is like I'm going to punch you in the face until your nose breaks into a thousand pieces.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think they would be kind of an odd couple.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did they originate a couple?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were paired up on a mission together.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that'd be fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking Indiana Jones and Lara Croft.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: My might make for an interesting crossover.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe throw in national treasure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: On the hedgehog.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I'm on as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other one I thought of was like a cooking crossover with Carl Casper from Sheff and Adam Jones, which was the Bradley Cooper, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: What was that one called?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Over in the chat, let's see what we have here.
[SPEAKER_03]: flame flumbly bird.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my brain works.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how my brain works all the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought I saw one.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, um, over in the chat, we have the pink Panther versus Colombo.
[SPEAKER_05]: That'd be fun.
[SPEAKER_05]: That'd be a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm down with that already.
[SPEAKER_05]: Slabs is maybe not characters, but movies mix hunger games with a live.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that's, that's, uh,
[SPEAKER_05]: That would be gross.
[SPEAKER_05]: Tattoo says, Dr. Manhattan and God from the show preacher.
[SPEAKER_05]: J.C.
[SPEAKER_05]: Davis says Indiana Jones versus Laura Croft versus National Treasure versus Uncharted and also Sonic the Hedgehog.
[SPEAKER_05]: You need to put Sonic the Hedgehog in there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Josh's Edward Scissor Hands and Freddy.
[SPEAKER_05]: One's a pass of this, too.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's not, that's not going to last long probably, but I'd pay to watch it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Castro says, Tron and Neo from the Matrix.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then let's see, Jason Stathom and Sam Neale, but my couch wouldn't survive that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what that means.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's going to do it for this week.
[SPEAKER_05]: Once again, chat, thanks for coming out.
[SPEAKER_05]: And watching us today, we appreciate you very much, even when you're criticizing us and taking the piss as Josh said.
[SPEAKER_05]: But appreciate it very much.
[SPEAKER_05]: Next week is sunshine.
[SPEAKER_05]: It is going to be back on the Tuesday regular time.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we will see you then.
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll see you next time.
[SPEAKER_05]: See you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's so easy to get annoyed at computers and technology.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I just start thinking like, there's a tiny little circuit board in there that is doing all of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just I don't under like it's magic.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's not.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's science.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know somebody invented it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody figured out how to make it smaller.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody figured out how to transfer ones and zeros on the smallest level possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: But my brain just hasn't such a hard time figuring out how that box over there does all of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's same.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's wild.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just believe it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why it's easy to live in a simulation because no, we won't ever question.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, there are there are no consequences to our actions.
[SPEAKER_02]: I spent many years as a roommate of Josh and one of his favorite jokes is after
[SPEAKER_02]: lights are out.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're done talking.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's time to sleep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait about fifteen minutes and then he'd go.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want talk about girls?
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait to talk to him about this next time I see him, but he just shot a movie with Kelsey Grammar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I knew he was doing something, but I hadn't heard exactly what he was up to.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he said he was playing Kelsey Grammar's character's best friend.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like a two week shoot.
[SPEAKER_02]: And anyway, I can't wait to see the film eventually, but I mostly can't wait to hear what his story is on because I feel like that could go either way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like he could like Kelsey Grammar could be like a super chill, awesome dude or a total jerk.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you know, I mean, Kelsey Grammar is one of those secret, but not so secret magotypes that
[SPEAKER_05]: that has somehow deflected all of that, maybe it's because he does, I don't know, Dennis Quaid seems to kind of get away with it too.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Where, you know, it seems like people, I guess it depends on your talent level, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Like if you're Dean Kane or Kevin Sorbo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I just the headlines today are Dean Kane just joined ice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, canceled has got to be in quotes because that dude's pulling a salary still.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's really it more seems like if you're Dean Kane or Kevin Sorbo, you have more benefit to be vocal.
[SPEAKER_01]: about your opposition or whatever news you have because that gets you limelight, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the headline today is, you know, something that, you know, we get to remember Dean Cain is someone who is on his conservative tube, but he's not super vocal about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, Vince Vaughn.
[SPEAKER_02]: All I know about ice cube today is that everyone seems to hate that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we wore the world's movie.
[SPEAKER_05]: They do.
[SPEAKER_05]: Apparently it's because it's a big huge Amazon advertisement all the way through it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and apparently it's like that John Joe movie where it's like ninety percent of it is him looking at a computer screen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I saw the trailer and it was pretty bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: We should fast track that sins video.
[SPEAKER_01]: We should just get it into production today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pop it out in a couple weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure Amazon would probably be happy to give it to us to help us get it done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably so, publicity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, zero percent on Rotten Tomatoes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I saw.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't know if I've ever seen a zero.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody will come along.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's his name will come along and give it a positive review.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, counter guy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Vince Vaughn could could completely be totally conservative, but yeah, it goes to the point, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: The more talent you have or the more likable you are, the less likely it is to affect you.
[SPEAKER_05]: when it gets to that point.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, Gina Corrano, case and point, he doesn't seem to get that many mainstream jobs anymore because.
[SPEAKER_05]: So she's always sucked.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's the thing that never understood.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, he has sucked even before we knew what her beliefs were.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I imagine there's there are way more people than we would think that just go about their jobs and don't, you know, say their views, but have their views, you know, with their friends or family or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's probably the country could do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: God, we'd be a happy place again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just talk about the weather, talk about sports.
[SPEAKER_02]: But stick to those top those communal topics, leave your personal opinions at home.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do like having conversations with people I love, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just when it crosses over into like some sort of public yelling, you know, where it's like, you're just yelling into the void.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're yelling at people who believe differently than you or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think there's some real work that can be done in living rooms.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like when you're hanging out with people and just having conversations and be like, hey, what do you think about this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think that's where actual change happens.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's where I keep thinking that like if, you know, if I were able to like go to certain places where my beliefs are not popular, but you know, and I sit there and just talk to them and say, hey, this is what I think in blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, and it's not on.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not that one against twenty.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, my goodness.
[SPEAKER_05]: That, you know, that Jubilee shit, you know, it's not that.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just, you know, you go and you just, hey, I'm a normal dude.
[SPEAKER_05]: You can tell that I'm smart.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not coming up with these thoughts just based on some sort of like, you know, you think I'm getting paid to say it or whatever.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just this is what I think and whatever.
[SPEAKER_05]: And you probably won't do much change, but at least people
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, see eye to eye or something.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, even beyond public face face discourse would be a lot better than public internet discourse, but you know, even for me, it's like the people around us who we have like trust with, you know, that we have difference of opinions on like those are those are some really positive places of communication and change, I think.
[SPEAKER_05]: The biggest thing that pisses me off these days
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, there's way, there's a lot of things, but I think just the one thing that upsets me the most is all these compundits who come on and say New York is dangerous.
[SPEAKER_05]: Chicago is dangerous all these places.
[SPEAKER_05]: I have gone to New York.
[SPEAKER_05]: I've lived in New York.
[SPEAKER_05]: I have, you know, I've done a whole bunch of, I've driven this up way a million times.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's my preferred method of getting around the city.
[SPEAKER_05]: people just come on to a TV and say oh it's the most dangerous ever to get on the subway oh my god you're gonna get stabbed and all that and I'm like
[SPEAKER_05]: I've written the subway at two a.m.
[SPEAKER_05]: before like what are you talking about and there's nobody who pushes back on it it's just oh yeah totally New York subways are dangerous what are you going to do blah blah blind Chicago I've been to Chicago during times that they keep talking about Chicago where you're like apparently going to get gun down in the middle of the street if you're just walking around in Chicago and like never have experience that before
[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, what you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fairness, Chris, you have been treated for multiple stabbing wounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, that's sad.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: This was Professor Frank found the cure for twenty stab wounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Heart Uber driver was telling us about all the murders that had happened within the last cubbies like in somebody got killed right over here he's like giving us like a murder to run away to a hotel and like I don't think that's the murder so I don't think you understand your job sir, but it was yeah, oh my god, Jeremy and I had had a
[SPEAKER_05]: Uber driver or somebody when we were in LA going we were going from Anaheim to LA to the to the Dodger Stadium and
[SPEAKER_05]: This guy about halfway through started just kind of just light racism and I just kind of like, oh my god, man, if this wasn't, if this what we weren't on the freeway of LA, I would like just ask you to please let me out next stuff like those.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a fun day though, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we ate it craft that day.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we went to the Dodgers game or vice versa.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was, that's my one and only Dodgers experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm really glad I had it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a cool park.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that place the craft doesn't exist anymore.
[SPEAKER_05]: But does it not?
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think it's open anymore.
[SPEAKER_05]: Which is sad because that's a great place.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was a great place.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know the New York City one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he closed it a year ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he only gave the staff a week's notice.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that was another big story out of that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's permanently closed this is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we're such a cool place.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then, you know, then it just ends with the whimper and, uh, oh, screw you to the workers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, it's not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, I mean, restaurants, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not a business I would ever want to go into, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we, we had Chris, I remember we had some of, uh, some great food native in, uh, in the, that air, and it was closed within, you know, a year or two or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, I was just like, how?
[SPEAKER_01]: The place was so good.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, how do these great, well, the answer is, of course, real estate and the cost of running a restaurant.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like they, I'm sure in LA, God, no telling how much it takes to get a restaurant up in there, whatever, but that, that has become, that is a happy memory of that place, but it's also a, like one of those where I'm like, oh, I know who Nice Arlington is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I wish I could remember when we met Nice Arlington, right?