[SPEAKER_00]: The Illuminati is a collection of bloodlines.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is going to follow some people up, but they're genetically engineering these children.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's three main ways to program heart revelation, repetition and trauma, and saying we're going to create intentional trauma.
[SPEAKER_00]: To then create splits in the soul, but then we're going to give those splitting pieces of soul the identities that we've want them to have.
[SPEAKER_00]: Power perverts people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Once you get a taste of power, a mind gets warped and twisted.
[SPEAKER_00]: So some of the crazy stuff that doesn't make sense to the average person starts to make sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: What would you say is like the anti-Christ utopia?
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to ultimately sell people on the idea that, hey, I can do your thinking for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you won't even own your own mind at a certain point.
[SPEAKER_00]: The generation on the earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Today is the scariest generation that has ever walked here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you think, God just doesn't snap his fingers and just let this all go right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to Hollywood Initiated.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is your host, Tay Shawn Jackson in the building.
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[SPEAKER_03]: because when I tell you this brother here that we have on I've watched his I haven't been as fascinated hearing somebody speak like I have here in him in a very very long time so I'm very excited about this interview here this brother has a very hard to introduce him even when I'm trying to find the words because
[SPEAKER_04]: complexity of expertise.
[SPEAKER_03]: His expertise is so complex.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't just limit it to deliverance because he has this incredible expertise of the soul and of psychology.
[SPEAKER_03]: So at best I can, the deep programming expert
[SPEAKER_03]: is here in the building eight time author husband and pastor is here on holiday initiated welcome Dan Duval to the platform what's up with your mother
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[SPEAKER_04]: Man, you know, I found your YouTube channel and then of course one thing led to another.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then I seen a couple of your interviews and I'm like, yo, like, this is some fascinating stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, we were literally just interested because
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, like I told you before the show, we knew to just thing, you know, we knew to our walk and faith and it was just last year, maybe about a year and, you know, three or four months that I even was really introduced to the spiritual world on its own.
[SPEAKER_04]: So now, you know, a little bit more than a year later, I come across your content and I'm like, this thing is deep.
[SPEAKER_04]: is deep so I want you to start us off and if you can give us your most simplest breakdown of the spirit realm how would you go about that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the easiest way to start this conversation is with just personal experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because my interest in the spirit world wasn't just accidental, I had issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: I started with problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I remember being as young as two and seeing demonic entities.
[SPEAKER_00]: walking around with my physical eyes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was problematic.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was actually traumatic.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and whenever I would see one of these things, and they'd be walking around a house, I mean, it'd be my room, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was similar physiological experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd lose my voice.
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't scream.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be terror.
[SPEAKER_00]: You would see them, but what was the thing about the demonic entities was that it was more about the atmosphere that they brought with them, because it contained the contamination, the defilement, and the fear.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was an atmospheric thing even beyond whatever they looked like.
[SPEAKER_00]: and some of them frankly were silly looking.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember there was one time I saw an actual demon and it was like doing it was in my door frame of my room and it has hands up on one side and the feet were like crossed on the bottom of the door and it was looking at me but it looked like this character called Handy Andy which was like a it was a tool store nearby where I lived so it was like their mascot
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what the demon looked like, but it was terrifying because the atmosphere like, you know, I just got out of my bed ran and ran in my parents' room so I ran right through it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this was some of my experience that I saw multiple entities.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember like at a certain point, my parents didn't know what to do about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: My mom knew Jesus.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she said, well, let's pray about it in Jesus' name.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she said, when this happens, you could just say get out in Jesus.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you read the Bible and Jesus will cast in our demons.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the apostles were cast in our demons.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she said, well, that's probably what you're supposed to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: She did her best.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that was when I learned that the name of Jesus had authority in the spirit world.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was actually, it wasn't a philosophy for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, wow, as this whole theme developed in my own life, I realized, well, these things actually respond
[SPEAKER_00]: to the name of Jesus in a way that's in my favor.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I never doubted that Jesus had to be God because of that experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so this is my introduction to the dark part of the spirit world.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a point where that shut down.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think
[SPEAKER_00]: When I kind of, because I had a lot of questions for a long time, you know, like most of the people that come to me, they have a lot of questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can't explain what's happened to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can't explain their life experiences.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of people have life experiences are far more complicated than when I'm describing to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: targeted individuals, people that have, you know, come from different areas of the world with heavy duty, witchcraft, witch doctors.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, you know, even even people that have initiated into cults like the Illuminati, I've sat down with all these people.
[SPEAKER_00]: So stuff that's way beyond what I'm explaining to you, but we all have questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what I came to when I began to process it was that I think I was actually born with my third eye open.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was because of something I would just call generational iniquity.
[SPEAKER_00]: On my father's side, because I'm half Haitian, there was voodoo influences.
[SPEAKER_00]: Before my grandmother got safe, she actually visited voodoo witch doctors.
[SPEAKER_00]: In Haiti, like that was in the bloodline.
[SPEAKER_00]: On my mom's side, there was Centuria, Espiti, Thimo, they called it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they would do witchcraft stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had that coming from both sides and so when I was born it was like there was stuff that was already turned on and so that that was
[SPEAKER_00]: operating, and I was seeing across the veil, but not into anything good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was seeing into what I would call the astral plane.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what other people call the lowest regions of the spirit world, and we'll get into that later.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so as this theme developed though, there was a point where it's shut down, and I stopped seeing the demons with my physical eyes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then it was like something shifted and it was around the age of maybe like twelve or so.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the first time I realized something that shifted, I was in my bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there was a sound.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like a chime.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I heard it in the spirit world.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh no.
[SPEAKER_00]: And somehow I just knew it was like a portal has opened.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it wasn't physical.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there was suddenly an entity coming in and I was in my bed and suddenly sleep paralysis.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can't move.
[SPEAKER_00]: This entity jumped on my body.
[SPEAKER_00]: and wrestled with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm not gonna lie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got beat down.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I was just beat down.
[SPEAKER_00]: This thing beat me up for like an hour.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it wasn't like, I didn't have physical marks on my body.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was my soul.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, my soul was just like a grounded pound.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you felt the pain.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I woke up wiped out, and I was like, oh my gosh, that started a whole different season in my life where this became more repetitive.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be a pattern, sleep paralysis, then a entity would jump on me, and then it would be like a fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'd have to wake myself up.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a certain point where I got so acclimated to this kind of stuff that I learned how to wake myself up out of
[SPEAKER_00]: deep sleep, like I could be in REM state, I could be in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if I was in a dream and I sensed the entities coming in, I could pull myself out of the dream into a waking state to speak the name of Jesus.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would shut it down for the night, but it didn't stop it permanently.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, this went on for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now,
[SPEAKER_00]: Eventually I was able to get everything to shut down like I don't deal with that today anymore like add all like my sleep is wonderful and it's good whether I pray or not yeah right no no I was just curious I was listening to you because you know you pretty much like you say he's born with this third eye open
[SPEAKER_04]: Would you consider, at that time, and I know you had to experience, or your parents had to experience with the Haitian, and you said, like, the sense of real, how the guy really not hype enough, it's like the sense of renaissance.
[SPEAKER_04]: But at that age, with, kind of, you not directly been involved, would you consider that, like, a gift, so to speak, or a curse?
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just kind of, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's just what it is.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, was it the question?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I would say it felt like it cursed to me because it was torment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if I was getting recruited by an occult group,
[SPEAKER_00]: at that age, they would have looked at that and I said, you have a gift and we can help you to develop your gift.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I would have been by these people recruited and put on a path and into going to the deeper occult stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: Makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because of what I had sitting in, and I call this bloodline inequity, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was stuff that I was born with, I inherited through my bloodline.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, but on the other side of it, I look at it like a curse that Jesus wanted to get out.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I could have peace.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I have peace.
[SPEAKER_03]: But now we got to break down a third eye.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So those of you who might be confused.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now now I will call the third eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: Basically it is something that opens on the head.
[SPEAKER_00]: Typically it's pictured as being in the middle of the forehead.
[SPEAKER_00]: It connects to the pineal gland.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, depending on the person, sometimes the third eye, it would actually be situated in different areas of the head, even on like the back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you could show up in different places, but the most common place it's pictured is on the front.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll see many Hindu gods and goddesses with like a third eye also featured on their form.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there are people that will go through like occult initiations to actually open the third eye because they want to be able to see into the astral plane.
[SPEAKER_00]: or to see into the astral plane better.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that that's counterfeit spiritual sight because what that does is it opens you up to lower realms of the spirit world that have no peace, they don't have joy, you might have intel, you might be able to see what's going on, but you're not gonna have like what I have now, which is I would say like spiritual senses that are inclined to look into the higher realms of the spirit world.
[SPEAKER_00]: where Jesus is operating and Zion is and other things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So describe the spirit world.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of how I would break it down in a very simple sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have the physical world that we live in and we operate with our physical body.
[SPEAKER_00]: What engages the world at the front of the physical body, that is a front of consciousness of the physical body, is the soul.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so our soul is not our body, but it's very much engaged in what our body is engaged in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the soul is the part of a person that can astral project.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you talk about something like transcendental meditation, when you talk about astral projection that is done by witches and warlocks or shamans or whatever,
[SPEAKER_00]: What they are doing is taking the soul consciousness, kicking it out of the body, and then having the ability to basically fly around, hover, move through walls, different things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Typically, there'll be some kind of cord that attaches the soul back to the body.
[SPEAKER_00]: We call that a silver cord.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that allows a person to navigate
[SPEAKER_00]: most commonly what I'll call the the lowest regions of the spirit world which is the astral planes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have earth that's physical and then a veil and then it's like right behind a physical world there's a whole other reality but it sits right on top of us on this planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is where demons operate.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is where soul parts of people that are asked for projecting will be operating.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they can be in the astral plane, but look at the physical world and see what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you could have someone that's maybe down to straight, they astral project over here and they can
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, watch a conversation that's happening and then go back to their body.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as they are traveling, they're also going to be aware of the other demonic entities that are involved.
[SPEAKER_00]: They may see grids sitting in the atmosphere.
[SPEAKER_00]: They might see where the portals are that move things around in the spirit world on the lowest plane.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, so on and so forth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, that is just one part of the spirit world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the spirit world extends far beyond that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it extends into other planes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It extends into other dimensions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the best ways to put a piece of language to how this is engaged or experience is as frequency.
[SPEAKER_00]: So different planes sit at different frequencies.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, as a frequency expands, you can ascend into higher realms.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, sometimes people get into, like, astro-projection or whatever, and they're doing stuff at the lower realms, but then they may upgrade and go into higher dimensions.
[SPEAKER_00]: with their astral projection or whatever they're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of these realms, by the way, you can't just go because you want to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them, they need to begin to move into darker stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to come with a sacrifice.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to go to this dimension, then you're going to have to kill a baby and eat it first.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you can go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or you want to go to this dimension where you're going to have to go through four hours of being tortured physically.
[SPEAKER_00]: and then you can go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's that side of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in the quote world, they do some crazy stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you get to some of the higher dimensions, you can get more power.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, one of the ways that they will actually travel dimensions is, I don't know how graphic you want to go ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not only fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they actually use pedophilia to get into some of the higher domain, especially anal rape pedophilia.
[SPEAKER_00]: because there's a way that through the anal rape of a child you're able to like basically launch yourself into
[SPEAKER_00]: higher planes that are evil planes, but higher.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they do that as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's the child for sacrifice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they sacrificed children for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, these are called to that that are, you know, and the thing is power perverts people.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like once you get a taste of power, the mind gets warped and twisted.
[SPEAKER_00]: So some of the crazy stuff that doesn't make sense to the average person starts to make sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: to the practicing occultists that literally have their conscience seared in the pursuit of power or whatever they're getting out of.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, okay, so tell me this, because I know you, you, in the past and currently deal with people who participated in things like that, not saying that people participated in child sacrifice, but they were on the other side of things.
[SPEAKER_04]: Are these people, like, if you were to take a look at these people, are they, they look like they are some, some wild stuff like that, or is it, you know, like these very clean, cut button up type of people, like, what's the, the actual appearance of somebody who is doing these types of things?
[SPEAKER_00]: I have been thinking look like a US president, congressman, or the guy sitting in jail.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just can't even imagine that that's just so wild to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: So and the rabbit hole begins.
[SPEAKER_03]: So when we talk about the heavens and the earth is that is the heavens is that another dimension or another part of it was that all connected to this spiritual realm like is that a different I'm gonna do my best to explain it like
[SPEAKER_03]: And also, I'm sorry, planets.
[SPEAKER_03]: When we start going past the sky into other planets, is that also our spiritual realm here, or is that we start to break into different realms as you move into planets?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to explain it to you the way I understand it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I try to anchor everything to the Bible because that's what I feel like the Bible is our source of truth.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not our complete source of facts because there are many facts that the Bible doesn't talk about at all, but it is a source of truth wherein whatever are some total of available facts are,
[SPEAKER_00]: We should be able to have a framework derived from the Bible that makes room for all available facts.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where I think I branch out from, I think, some of more traditional areas of the Christian body and the Christian faith because we've had to make room for more available facts than I think a lot of other believers have had to work with or have been challenged by.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've been challenged.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've been challenged because most of the stuff that I've had to make room for came from people that came from worlds that I completely did not understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even my limited experience, not in touch it, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But when I say that the framework that I work with is it comes back to a passage in the New Testament where Paul says,
[SPEAKER_00]: I know a man whether in the body or out of the body, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Such a woman was caught up to the third heaven, wearing counter paradise.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I say, look, if there's a third heaven, it's because there's a second heaven and a first heaven.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll start with the third heaven, and I said, well, what's there?
[SPEAKER_00]: Paradise.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would call the third heaven what Christians think of as heaven.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like when you die, where do you go?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: You go in a paradise.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's where God's throne is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would call Mount Zion, where God is seated, the heavenly Jerusalem, all these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's part of that round called the third heaven and paradise.
[SPEAKER_00]: But beneath that, there's a whole other round.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the second heaven.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would describe the second heaven as a place of conflict.
[SPEAKER_00]: where you have evil principalities, and powers, and fallen angels, and hybrids, and all kinds of stuff that's moving, and God's angels on assignment, human, that are moving around, out of body, and I don't believe that's a Christian thing to do, by the way, and then the first heaven would be the three-day world we live in.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's basically Earth's atmosphere.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how I break it down.
[SPEAKER_00]: So getting to your questions, what do we do about outer space?
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, even though I'm very convinced that what we look at when we're looking in the sky, we're looking at an expanding universe.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that there are
[SPEAKER_00]: planets I believe that there are other sons and stars and star systems and and there's activity I do believe in other activity outside of earth atmosphere I don't know if you guys want to go there but I've talked to plenty of people and their experiences and memories and all that reveal that this is the case so so once we cross earth atmosphere though it's like the government changes and whatever governs this
[SPEAKER_00]: First, having that we live on this earth, it goes away.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that may be connected to what the Bible calls the restrainer in second Thessalonians.
[SPEAKER_00]: But whatever it is, there is a shift that I've mapped with all of the testimonies and all of the interviews that I've done with thousands of people over the years.
[SPEAKER_00]: that we're doing deliverance in their healing and deep programming for there's a major shift once you get out of earth atmosphere and so what you don't see walking around in plain day on earth it it'll walk around in plain day
[SPEAKER_00]: out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I've actually worked with people who were taken off planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they talk about, it's like, well, it's like Star Trek or Star Wars up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they are very triggered by some of these films because it's like, well, that's exactly what it was like when we were up there abducted and on these craft and on these other planets.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, there's all these different beings that look like all this.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so with that said that's that's I would put outer space in the second heaven because of the way it's governed even if there's a physical element to it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so real quick so outer space because I'm trying to figure this out too because some people believe hey it's no such thing as aliens, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: But then I think this was like a year ago they had the Mexican the corpse of like these
[SPEAKER_04]: unidentifiable beings and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's like then you watch a lot of the content is put out by, you know, retired military experts and piles that like, you know, no, no, hey, these things exist.
[SPEAKER_04]: I seen it is here.
[SPEAKER_04]: So where in the Bible, that may it explain the existence of these other beings.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's several potential sources.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And really to drill down on this, the easiest one to point out is the Bible clearly describes a hybridization agenda.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the first time you see this mention is in Genesis six, where it says, the sons of God, the vanilla Elohim came in into the daughters of men had children by them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They call these children giants and Nephilim.
[SPEAKER_00]: What that means is these were hybrid beings that were part spirit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Literally angelic fathers with human mothers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which is what Goliath was.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a giant.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a giant and he was born to the giant at Gath.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was multiple giants.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there were giants before Noah's flood and there were giants after Noah's flood.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the reality that there can be hybrids
[SPEAKER_00]: allows us to create a conversation, well, maybe some of these beings have actually been engineered or created through a hybridization agenda over millennia.
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe they've been taken off planet, and they are now being used from different locations.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's one source of answers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I have more sources of answers, but it depends on how far you guys want to go down the rabbit hole.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, that was good.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was good.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was good.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was good.
[SPEAKER_04]: After my first year, he's so silly.
[SPEAKER_04]: After my first year, you know, I remember coming back home, you know, and it was a while weekend.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I remember when I was out there, my first night, we, you know, we leave a place and I look up in this daytime.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's what kind of experience I had over that week.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I came back and, you know, it was the next day where I was sleeping in my bed.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I remember waking up and I was laying on my side and I literally cannot move.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it was dark.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was like very dark.
[SPEAKER_04]: I could tell it was light.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was like light outside, because my blinds were open, but it was very dark.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was like I can see like, it's like when I'm laying down on my side and I can see that it's light.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like my window is open, but it's like very dark above me.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like somebody looking like this.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's very dark.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I remember, I was so crazy.
[SPEAKER_04]: I remember trying to scream, and I'm like, trying my hardest to scream, and I could not say anything.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I remember thinking, I think I'm dying.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, that's what I thought.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought I was dying.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I remember trying to cry, because now I'm realizing I'm thinking I'm dying.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, okay, let me just cry.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, go out, you know.
[SPEAKER_04]: and I'm like trying so hard to cry and that wouldn't work and I don't know how long it was like it was like time just didn't seem like a thing you know so I don't really know how long it was I remember just finally you know I remember getting up like okay I'm not this movement and all I could do was just look and then after sometime I have no idea how much time laughs I walk I like when I woke up but like I could start moving
[SPEAKER_04]: And I was remember, I ran to my roommate's room.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was so scared.
[SPEAKER_04]: Listen, let me tell you, and he was like unbelievable to him.
[SPEAKER_04]: He like dude, you tripping.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I remember telling my mom, and she's just like, you know, you should pray and this type of thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that was a devil who only got back or something like that, and I'm just like, okay, she's crazy.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, so one person will believe me, one person's crazy, I don't think of my mom, and then I just kind of left it out.
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't tell anybody, I just told them to, and I was kind of in the situation.
[SPEAKER_04]: The next year, I went to New Orleans again, same attitude, party crazy, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: And who knows, I feel like every year in college, I'll just happen, love the craziness.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I come back, and I, first time I sleep in my bed, and the same thing happened.
[SPEAKER_04]: And this time, it was even darker, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: It was even darker.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then finally, you know, I get through that experience.
[SPEAKER_04]: And this time, I didn't try to cry anything.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just was like, okay, I guess I'm just in my mind.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just thought, it must in my mind.
[SPEAKER_04]: All you can do is think.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm thinking to my mind, it's like, oh, this is just, you know, I'm just drunk.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's probably the drugs I was using.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's probably just happened to me last year type of thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I was just really terrified after I got up, because I still did not have any idea how long I was there.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I go to the doctor.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, yo, this happened to me twice.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is a situation.
[SPEAKER_04]: And she could not explain what it was.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right?
[SPEAKER_04]: It was no, she was telling me it's like, it's no medical.
[SPEAKER_04]: She knows she knows.
[SPEAKER_04]: She says, hey, it's called sleep paralysis, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Because Chad GPT wasn't even a thing, man, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's called sleep paralysis.
[SPEAKER_04]: This happens is no medical.
[SPEAKER_04]: definition or explanation of how that happened, but you know, drink some water, get some rest, and hopefully it won't happen again.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so even when I tell people that like most people, just generally they don't even understand conceptually like how something like this happened.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm telling people, hey, this is absolutely real.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the reason not to give you that whole story is because when you sit with people,
[SPEAKER_04]: And they tell you things that are beyond what you've even heard before.
[SPEAKER_04]: How do you qualify if this person is being honest or this person is just wants a some level of attention?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, I'll say it's like, eighty, twenty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Most people are being honest.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's the minority that's going to just come and make something up just for the sake of making it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that there is something called discernment and, you know, when you get in touch with Holy Spirit, you get something called a witness.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll be sitting with a person and regardless of how crazy something they're saying is,
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm feeling a witness inside, I'm locked in.
[SPEAKER_00]: And my question is, what can we do about it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if I don't understand the problem, I'm like, but Jesus clearly does and he wants to help you.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted to help me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how I would answer that question.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, you know, I will have a witness and it's funny because, you know, when you really sing,
[SPEAKER_00]: because this is what people need to understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think as we go through this conversation a lot of people that are listening, even if this is a conversation they typically would disengage from, they're not because they realize that there's answers that's a common force.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're going to be like, just like you, like, well, but actually I did have this one thing, or that did happen though, and I never been able to get a question like that answer before.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're opening up that really.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I want to say is, just because you didn't understand that what happened to you to me that Jesus didn't understand it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it certainly doesn't mean that he doesn't want to help you or that person overcome whatever that is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, especially if it's an ongoing problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, for what you're describing to me, I would just say this, I say, you probably
[SPEAKER_00]: open yourself up and and I did something similar someone said you a story when I was in college and drunk you know they go together I mean when I was a college and drunk I I came back to my dorm this happened my freshman year and I knew I mean I was just so hungover so I woke up in the morning and I'm like nah
[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Throbbing headache, just, I need a couple more hours.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's a Sunday, which means I'm skipping church, like, you know, it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when I went to go back to sleep, I just had that inkling.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, oh, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I was already feeling that atmosphere shift.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so,
[SPEAKER_00]: At this point, in my life, it had less than, because it was a point where I was dealing with stuff almost every day, but it had less than that often.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there were things, like if I got totally drunk, then like on this day, I got hammered.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, as the atmosphere shifted, the TV was on, and I kid you not.
[SPEAKER_00]: From my perspective, the TV turned to white noise.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I watched it with my eyes, like turned to white, and I was like,
[SPEAKER_00]: And it just turned a white noise.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then a spirit crawled out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was like the ring.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like the ring.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm there.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is my experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm living the ring.
[SPEAKER_00]: This thing crawls out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's you don't have long hair over her face.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the weirdest kind of entity.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like a black and white and it was like two-dimensional.
[SPEAKER_00]: So strange.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it comes out and I'm like, here it comes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it like didn't pass through space.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would just kind of flash.
[SPEAKER_00]: Should it be here?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it would disappear and appear over here.
[SPEAKER_00]: This appear and appear over here.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was creepy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it jumped on me.
[SPEAKER_00]: beat me down.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I told a beat down and you know, I couldn't talk paralyzed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Finally, after like, I don't know, a twenty-thirty minutes, I was able to mumble the name of Jesus and it stopped.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I had to repent for getting drunk because I was like, well, that's what made me vulnerable to this entity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because people need to, I think understand, is that there are things, drugs, substances that alter consciousness, they have another effect in the spirit world.
[SPEAKER_00]: They drop natural protections that people will have against this kind of affliction.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you use certain substances or consciousness shifting drugs like those walls come down and these entities have a much easier access to that person.
[SPEAKER_03]: One of those walls, by the way, when you say those walls come down, like what is this wall of protection that you have?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good question.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that I have an actual term for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is just a pattern that I've noticed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it the third eye opening?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that what the wall is?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you get more open in that way where you can now be... The way that I would explain it is because I wouldn't isolate it to the third eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm not talking like a scientist, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: The third eye is but one gate.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the human vessel actually has many gates.
[SPEAKER_00]: So some of these are defined in different systems of mysticism and occult.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we could pick on Jewish mysticism for a second because they have something called
[SPEAKER_00]: Kabbalah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Kabbalah is multiple things at the same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a template for the way they understand the universe to be designed.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a creation template in their viewpoint, but it is also a map of the human body simultaneously.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have basically ten or eleven points and they talk about
[SPEAKER_00]: Ketter being a hukma daat and they go around Gavora has said, that's the heart.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have all of these different names for points and they map to the physical body.
[SPEAKER_00]: But all of these points align with natural occurring gates.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in the occult world, when you do rituals or initiations with the system of mysticism, you can open up things, you can cause travel to certain realms, you can bring traffic in and out of a body because you're accessing gates.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's another system of gates that's known as the chakra system.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you find that one in new age.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's about the crown chakra and the heart chakra and the throat chakra.
[SPEAKER_00]: the two different systems but they also reveal other gates and so like gates can be closed or the gates can be opened and and that's how I guess I would answer your question is what are those natural protections will default some of these gates are just going to be closed I mean
[SPEAKER_00]: Eventually, I close the third eye completely and praise Jesus, then I stop seeing torment in the spirit world.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe the third eye should stay closed.
[SPEAKER_00]: But other gates can be opened or closed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, when you have people going into some of these occult systems, they're going to train them to open all the gates.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, when you open all the gates, that's going to heighten your likelihood that you're going to be having encounters with negative and evil spirit beings, even if they want to call that the Enlightenment.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they put it they do it to help with that process drugs because the drugs are opening the gates and so you could do that with or without a system of a mysticism or a cult initiation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, is that like the what was that one everybody take the Ashua?
[SPEAKER_04]: I was but it's really every drug that no authors the way you think in comma e-mote
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, we've got the drums.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, sure, sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we could go all of them.
[SPEAKER_04]: LSD, sure, I watched all those, but you mentioned in those gates, automatically that makes me think of what you said prior about the child pedophilia and sex.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it sounds like sex is also a gate as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: And like in your experience, how has sex impacted people damage somebody's spirituality over the long term or somebody's spirit over the long term?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, how is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: So you got the basic trauma, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is childhood sexual abuse.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that damages people across the board.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no such thing as a man boy love, that's healthy.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not healthy.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a crime.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, I mean, there's a lot of people that have been exploited as children.
[SPEAKER_00]: The problem with that, and we can get into this conversation, you have so much of the population that doesn't remember their exploitation as children because of something called dissociation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that has really tough effects because you could have a person that was, say, sexually exploited as a child over a period of time, but dissociated that entire
[SPEAKER_00]: abuse to what I would call a sole part.
[SPEAKER_00]: It goes into a region of the subconscious lives there behind an amnesia wall with its trauma that has been undressed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then they go to get married
[SPEAKER_00]: But because they have unaddressed childhood sexual trauma, the marriage bed becomes compromised and they don't even want to make love to their husband or wife because there is a trigger on something they don't even know is there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now you're in marriage therapy because my wife doesn't want to have sex with me or my husband doesn't want to have sex with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's dysfunction that enters on the basis of trauma and dissociation around sexuality.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now that's a basic one.
[SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's another layer, though, that people are dealing with, and this comes behind the whole, when people go through sleep paralysis, sometimes that is paired with other activity.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like my, you know, praise God, it was just getting beat up.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's one level.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there are other people that are dealing with what I would call.
[SPEAKER_00]: astral rape and so that that is a whole other level of violation because it's like you know you have people that are going to bed they want to get good night sleep they're having sleep paralysis but then entities that they can't stop or feel powerless against are having sex with them and that is a violation not only the body but of the soul as well
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just as damaging as being physically raped.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what kind of justice or recourse do you have?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you go and get a rape kid at the hospital, take them to court, send them to jail?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, no, you got to figure out a way to handle that kind of trauma with spiritual power.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, like, I have people that have come to me because that has been their experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, I'm getting
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, raped at night, you know, there are terms that have been applied to this kind of activity.
[SPEAKER_00]: They call it incubus and succubus activity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Intraditional Christian thought, you know, and incubus, that's sex with women, succubus, sex with men.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's an oversimplification.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that there are like demonic entities that do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's more of an expanded conversation as well because we could bring into that something called spirit husbands and spirit wives.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now spirit husband can actually be an astral projecting warlock that was
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe a fronting in their natural life as an uncle or a pimpe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it's a warlock.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is an practicing occultist.
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's say someone that's in the life, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They want to get away from their handler.
[SPEAKER_00]: They want to get away from their pimpe.
[SPEAKER_00]: They want to start a new life and they want to walk away from that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they're still going through sea paralysis and having sex with their pimpe.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they can't stop it because he's not physically there.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's happening?
[SPEAKER_00]: They can have a person that astral projects.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as long as they have access, as long as the gate is open to them, because it hasn't been spiritually closed, that person will come in, perpetrate, go back to their body, and a person is like, God, Lee, you know, I can't get away from this next thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the pain and the cycle of confusion might be driving them right back.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it actually gets really complex.
[SPEAKER_00]: And these are the kinds of problems that I have people coming to me with all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the world I live in.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a very complex problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's an extremely complex problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, you don't want to be marrying nobody with that problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm very curious.
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, about so much.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh, I think I lost first of all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me know just so you know as well, because we completely have just stopped advertising everything that we were going to put in.
[SPEAKER_03]: He has a book by the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that's why this book is here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, pummel the devil.
[SPEAKER_03]: Daniel Duval has brought an example here.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll link the descriptions of the book.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's off of eight books, especially here.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if this, because I know some of us here, he has a very unique ministry by the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: People are coming around the world to get the programed and he calls it the programming, not just deliverance because it deals with more than just casting out demons.
[SPEAKER_03]: depending on the again complexity of what your situation might be.
[SPEAKER_03]: So let's go ahead and put that's in the description by the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to transition here back to the occult because you've dealt with
[SPEAKER_03]: Some part of me, I do believe there's an illuminati, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think many of us think is just rich guys making decisions and kind of controlling the world's resources.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you might have a very different understanding of what illuminati is and the function of it here on earth.
[SPEAKER_03]: So break down what the illuminati is and the function from your understanding.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh goodness.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I believe that at its core, the Illuminati is a collection of bloodlines, specifically bloodlines.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in order to really understand the Illuminati, I think you have to understand the concept of bloodline and equity and why that is a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so in the Bible, you actually have a conversation on a few subjects, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You have a conversation on sin, conversation on transgression, and then a conversation on inequity.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there are a little different.
[SPEAKER_00]: And without going through all the theology, I'm just going to give you the answer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like sin is missing the mark.
[SPEAKER_00]: Transgression is more like moving into a place of willful rebellion.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I'm not just going to lie because I'm a backst against the wall.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to lie because I want to lie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to be committed to that lifestyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then in an equity is when a commitment to a lifestyle or a pattern works its way into the actual DNA.
[SPEAKER_00]: actually it actually becomes a defining marker on the genetic code that a person has on their seed and they can begin to pass that trait on to the next generation just because they have kids.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why you have like an alcoholic granddaddy and an alcoholic father and an alcoholic but
[SPEAKER_00]: Alcoholic grandson became an alcoholic after one shot of whiskey when they were thirteen and it was like all their other friends took that same shot of whiskey because they found that whiskey bottle no one else became an alcoholic but the one did because it was actually sitting in their DNA and it just that one taste turns it on
[SPEAKER_00]: So what happens is this is a mystery.
[SPEAKER_00]: The occult world understands it well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so what they do from one generation to the next is they build upon inequity.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like that's why they have what's called satanic ritual abuse, which is they put a person on a schedule.
[SPEAKER_00]: of trauma and abuse and occult rituals, so that they can maximize the usefulness of that person, build on the existing inequity in that bloodline.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they've been moving towards the antichrist kingdom manifested on the earth for a very long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the Illuminati are a collection of bloodlines that really the top ranking generals of the kingdom of darkness work with closely to bring about the world they want.
[SPEAKER_00]: which is the world where we are basically being destroyed and used as slaves.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they run things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So is the Illuminati pro-life and pro-liberty and pro-happiness and joy?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, they literally want to kill us.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this is a selection of bloodlines.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you go back through history, you will find different juncture points where there was like almost a collection of minds that consolidate the plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in seventeenth-seventy-seventy-six you have something called the Bavarian Illuminati.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, their whole plan got exposed because they were courting a letter and something that interrupted that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They found the letter and then they were supposed to be very illuminating.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, that was done between a few gentlemen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was Amshel Rothschild.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jacob Frank was involved.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was another guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: These are some of the most powerful people at the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were very powerful people at the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were basically putting together a plan to usurp all the world religions, consolidate the governments of the world, they wanted to push this one world agenda.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now what we're calling that today is global governance, because they've kind of moved away from the term new world order, because too many Christians were talking about or something who knows.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, the Illuminati predates the Bavarian Illuminati in seventeenth-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy-seventy
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they go back behind Jesus Christ.
[SPEAKER_00]: They a lot of them converge through a character named in Nimrod.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's talked about in the book of Genesis.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he is what I would call a prototype antichrist figure.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as we've worked this out, and I've worked with people that have defected from this, what we found is that these bloodlines go back behind Nimrod.
[SPEAKER_00]: They go all the way back to the pre-flood world and even this is a scariest part into what I would call the the the the pre-ademic world and so
[SPEAKER_00]: What I believe the Illuminati is doing, they're carrying ancient agendas that are coming from beings that rebel against God a very long time ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are the earth arm that is doing the work and they're pushing an antichrist agenda.
[SPEAKER_04]: What are these defectors that you speak about?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, what did they come to you and what kind of things that they're sharing has happened to them?
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm assuming it's from birth that they're getting indoctrinated into different rituals.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you know that's a deep question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about how far you're, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, man, it's almost hard.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you got to think about this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, most of the people I knew grew up without a day.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's no customs and tradition.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the fact that you tell me that it goes, this tradition goes back thousands of years, it's just mind blowing, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: When, you know, most people I don't even have the same last name from generation to generation, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm just very curious, like somebody who was brought, you know, born into that life.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, what is the main reason that they're even coming to you or just escaping that world of general?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a good point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do they get recruited?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, why does this person who's this ancient king of darkness?
[SPEAKER_03]: How does he look and recruit?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, how does he say, I want you to, I want this person to get down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, so on one level, a lot of them, it starts before conception.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the people that are being born in these bloodlines, the plan for their lives, it starts before conception.
[SPEAKER_00]: There will be something called pre-conception rituals.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, in these bloodlines oftentimes, they use things like astrology and other things to even map.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who needs to have a child with who so they can get what they want and they're using a cult science through astrology to even the stars align.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're trying to bring certain things in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or it's completely inorganic.
[SPEAKER_00]: We run into a lot of this as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is going to blow some people up, but they're genetically engineering these children.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was something called the Hitler Project that goes back to the time of World War II.
[SPEAKER_04]: I've worked with Hitler Project people.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we have had to work through the trauma of being an egg in a freezer for decades before implantation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's actually a trauma that sits in the cells of the physical body that causes all kinds of issues later in life.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to go all the way back to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: and work that out with the power of Jesus Christ.
[SPEAKER_00]: But these projects are real.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I've worked with people that we've had to go back into the memories of being in labs where they were actually pulling memories of being in a petri dish while they're combining different genetics to get what they want.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a passage in the Book of Daniel chapter two that talks about how the fifth kingdom, it is clay and iron.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the iron and clay, they mingle.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that in the context of Daniel chapter two, when it's talking about this fifth kingdom, they're actually describing the transhumanism and genetic manipulation agenda that is happening, like right now, they're building that kingdom right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so a lot of the people that I've worked with that have come out of that world, like they weren't just, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: astrology, alignment, only these two people that they may pull genetics from those, but a lot of them also were then modified in a lab.
[SPEAKER_00]: There were pre-conception rituals that were done around that to bring in certain things, powers, entities, et cetera, and then there would be an implantation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes that implantation is to someone specifically just going to be a birth mother because there will be a birth mother slaughtering ritual that happens and then the child will be given to the quote unquote parents that are going to raise it for the occult purposes that it has in that society.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how like life starts.
[SPEAKER_00]: One example.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they get put on the schedule.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that schedule includes programming rituals involvement with different entity groups.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're being raised up in that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then a lot of that is quarantined.
[SPEAKER_00]: because of dissociation to specific soul fragments that hold that knowledge.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so when you meet people that have been part of this background, a lot of them are very dissociated to everything that they have been through and know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you will have
[SPEAKER_00]: front facing presenter personalities that can look like anything from a politician to a movie star.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then behind that you'll have cult loyal parts that may be a witch or a warlock, you may have parts that are military parts, super soldier parts, they will put a lot in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then that person lives a life that is highly manipulated.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they begin to break, I would call it mind control, then they're coming to me and saying, Daniel, I'm being targeted by frequencies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Daniel, everywhere I go, I'm being followed.
[SPEAKER_00]: They send me messages.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whenever I come to my house at a certain time of day, there are three guys who are always wearing red shirts.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm being tracked.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I have these things going on when I try to sleep.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have blackout periods in my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea what happened from fourteen to seventeen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't, I have no memory of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: The alien abduction accounts, like I'm an abduction.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, all of these things are symptoms in addition to
[SPEAKER_00]: depression, anxiety, phobias, that they can't explain.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, marital dysfunction.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, all kinds of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's some very surface things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And usually we start there and it's like, well, okay, let's start working on these.
[SPEAKER_00]: Once we start getting the memories, it opens up the rest of the storyline.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of people then will progress down then and realize, wait a minute, I was part of programming that happened under Disneyland and wait a minute, I was part of this time travel project that was modeled after Project Montalk and wait a minute, I was part of this and then they become conspiracy not enough, they're discarded.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we're moving into a different phase of history.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you guys have me on your show.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is very different.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is, but even the trigger way.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, because the trans humanism, the AI, because these are all like newer things that we're hearing about.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it just mind blowing to think, you know, because it's one thing to be trying to help somebody have a kid when they're unable to have kids.
[SPEAKER_04]: But what people
[SPEAKER_04]: The, you know, these people in power are doing with this technology by the time you hear about it is beyond what you could even imagine.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me ask this real quick, because you can rain this at any time.
[SPEAKER_03]: When we talk, I said again, rain it at any time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, listen, we, we're sliding right on down this rabbit hole.
[SPEAKER_03]: When it comes to this illuminating and their vision,
[SPEAKER_03]: I think people think, you know, them taking over the world is like us all being chained up and, you know, whipped.
[SPEAKER_03]: I actually think they're probably smarter than that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they'll be controlling us in a way where we wouldn't want to rebel.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we're probably porn addicted, you know, where we're, you know, are under control in our pleasures.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we are lavishly indulging in our vices, we're spiritually weak.
[SPEAKER_03]: Our flesh has taken control.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not connected.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're godless culture.
[SPEAKER_03]: God is stripped from educational systems.
[SPEAKER_03]: God is stripped from all the systems of the earth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Music, finances, everything is all godless.
[SPEAKER_03]: And all the vices and pretty much demons get to run free and control.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I imagine, but what would you say is like the anti-Christ utopia that they're actually working and have been working on generations to create here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's got a number of dynamics.
[SPEAKER_00]: So number one, when you see their antichrist, when they produce their antichrist, I believe that that is an absolute apex of hybridization perfection in the occult world.
[SPEAKER_00]: They want basically the perfect hybrid
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bible calls it the Manusin, the Son of Tradition.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is like the perfect conglomeration of all evil that has been embedded in all bloodlines over all eons, like focused on one individual that the dragon will give his power to and it call that the beast.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's going to be like a Messiah.
[SPEAKER_00]: type figure.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like a looser for in, yeah, human form, essentially something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he might look human.
[SPEAKER_00]: He probably probably more, most likely, will look like a Superman, like, like, perfect features.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also with superhuman abilities.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, now, but he's going to, the, the, the, the,
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the cell is going to be Messiah though.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's going to be a cell of like this is the dark prince of darkness and evil and he's going to ruin everyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think the idea is we're going to create an idea like this is the Messiah that is the ideal that that now he's going to bring a world where there's going to be like a technological utopia that allows
[SPEAKER_00]: Every imperfection you've ever struggled with to be corrected for by technology, you won't have to think you won't go bald, you won't have.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this dysfunction, you can have perfect muscle structure, you can have this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they're going to attach that to a technology.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ultimately, that's going to be what the Bible calls the mark of the beast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to, I don't think it's going to be like sold on like
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, now you're going to be recruited to the most evil plan ever developed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to sell us on all of our desires and all of our insecurities and all of our, you know, and in fact, it's even going to sell us on beauty because it'll probably be like, look, this is a technological modification.
[SPEAKER_00]: You won't even have to age anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you won't die.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that BBL is the market of me.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the reasons why I say that is because in another passage in the book of Revelation specifically says that the people that have the mark of the pieces as plague that comes I think it's called like the fifth trumpet or whatever but
[SPEAKER_00]: There are these beasts that comment and they torment men for five months and it says that it specifically they're tormenting those that are part of this society, this kingdom and they will seek death and says those that have taken this thing, this mark of the beast will seek death and death will flee from them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is such an interesting language, and that to me suggests that whatever they've modified in people, it actually takes away elements of what it means to be human, and has replaced that with what we could call almost like God-like characteristics, but God with a little G, like you become your own God, so to speak, and now you can't die, now you can't age death will flee from you, but it doesn't necessarily liberate you from this torment.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that that's part of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're this Messiah thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's built on the Nephilim agenda.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that there was a statement made.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was Claus Schwab that said this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct me if I'm wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: You will own nothing and be happy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that it's like a perfection of socialism that kind of undergirds whatever they want to set up where like you don't actually have property ownership.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think they're going to ultimately sell people on the idea that I can do your thinking for you, so you won't even own your own mind at a certain point.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's the total enslavement of humanity at the same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Present planet.
[SPEAKER_03]: This was sold as pleasure, sold in a way where we would want it and not want to rebel from it in this way.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm I'm just so curious by this man because this is I'm just gonna be a tough question, but why do you think
[SPEAKER_03]: God just doesn't snap his fingers and just let this all go away.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, why do you think he allows all of this to brew over so many generations and this evil to run this rampant?
[SPEAKER_03]: Why do you think so?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that God is working out a very large agenda.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know that I have at this point fully mapped the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there is something that's being worked out and I think that that agenda has to be worked out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think how I can explain this without going like for like an hour on this question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's take a time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take a time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But let me put it this way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to hit it from this angle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, so God loves the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that that love that God has for this world is from the beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that God's love for us pre-existed Adam even being placed in the garden.
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing is though, as a creator, God is righteous.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that means that he has right standing with himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he has to abide by his own rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: He can't make a rule that governs his creation and then violate it for the sake of his preference.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has to be the perfect judge.
[SPEAKER_00]: That means he doesn't break the rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in order to love someone and have them love you back, they have to have to have something called free will.
[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, you have a robot.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have a program.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the only way that a program can love you back if it's not a program.
[SPEAKER_00]: It actually has its own sentence.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what God did was he put sentence in his creation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now the conflict around that is if you can choose to love, you can also choose to rebel to hate, to disobey.
[SPEAKER_00]: That happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now God is working a redemptive process because he loves his creation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, in that, what happens is free will means that decisions can be legitimately made.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you look at the way that God handles things in this world, you have a lot of people that blame God for everything because they say, well, if God's all powerful, then why did He let this happen?
[SPEAKER_00]: and why do you let this happen?
[SPEAKER_00]: God's not my friend, God's my enemy because look at my life, look at the facts of what I've been through, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the facts of what you've been through are only identify the reality that God is not controlling everything that happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he is righteous, he has given free will, and he doesn't break the rules just to stop someone from going through something hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, this evil person has chosen to bully me.
[SPEAKER_00]: God's not going to stop them from making that choice to bully me because if he stopped them, just to stop my pain, he break his own rules governing his creation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, he's not righteous and he can't be the judge.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, what happens is God gives us tools and power and ability to overcome adversity in this world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I'm just kind of like painting a picture here because I'm gonna get to a theme.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, one of the things that happens when you get that is you realize, wait a minute, okay, so if God is actually not controlling everything, then I have what's called personal responsibility.
[SPEAKER_00]: That means that if I ain't nothing but cake and ice cream for a year, I might have pre-diabetes in my body.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's something that I did.
[SPEAKER_00]: God didn't do that to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just didn't join the club and get thirty percent and do fitness.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: We hardly initiate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, so we, beginning in a personal responsibility, but personal responsibility now begins to extend to everything, like, wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we have personal responsibility over our own vessel, what else do we have personal responsibility over it?
[SPEAKER_00]: How much of what's happening in society is happening because we have a lot of Christians that have been trained to take a posture of powerlessness and say, well, if God wants to downhill just do it, so I'll sit back and wait for God.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what happens is with the broken belief system on how God operates or who God even is or who's what God's characters that the devil is neutered the body of Christ and it is where we come back to other statements like well if good men do nothing evil prevails
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the way that God is orchestrating this agenda, he's actually orchestrating a marriage.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: So as you go throughout the themes of the Bible, what you have is, you get to Revelation, and I think this is the way for the Lamb is made or self-ready.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the way for the Lamb.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's his body that's alive on earth at the time of his return.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so what I tell people is, well,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually more like God is waiting on us, not that we are waiting on God.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's certain things that God is trying to work out in His people to bring about the conclusion of this story.
[SPEAKER_00]: And part of arriving at that is arriving at that place of not just personal accountability, but a true understanding of, well, if we serve the superior God,
[SPEAKER_00]: with a superior kingdom and a superior power.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then what are we doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the way that I look at the world, I feel like I was put on this world specifically to give the devil a black eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: To frustrate the antichrist kingdom and to set the captive free in the name of Jesus.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I'm here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And not just to do that, but to raise up an army that will oppose
[SPEAKER_00]: The agendas of the Illuminati, the bloodlines of wickedness, you know, all of these occult agendas at the highest levels.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I believe that there's gonna be a day where we're actually gonna see whole nations break with global governance agendas and ideals because there are people following these, they say no, there's actually resistance that goes right through the end of the story and we are going to see the end of the playout.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the things that I'm talking about in pummel the devil is like, the Bible says, when you pray, say, a father, which I didn't have an holiday, your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
[SPEAKER_00]: What that means is fundamentally as will is not being done.
[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, why would we pray for it?
[SPEAKER_00]: So what happens when we begin to pray the will for the end of the story in?
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is one of the most profound, I'm going to say this, and I'm a pause.
[SPEAKER_00]: But one of the things that I noticed when I was rereading the book of Revelation, you know, you have these trumpet judgments, and they're apocalyptic.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's like a third of the trees burn, and a third of the waters turned to blood, and a third of the third, and I was reading that, and I was like,
[SPEAKER_00]: When that chapter starts, it starts by talking about the prayers of the saints rising as incense.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you see all these judgments, it's one third of the earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I'll bet you that third is the third under the beast kingdom.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll bet you there's a whole lot more going on that we haven't mapped or understood and I'll believe that there's a generation on the earth that I think the generation on the earth today is the scariest generation that has ever walked the earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Damn the scariest to the devil.
[SPEAKER_03]: To the devil.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_03]: See, I'm from the side.
[SPEAKER_03]: We say scary.
[SPEAKER_03]: We mean, like, being for a scared cat.
[SPEAKER_03]: But no, they're bringing fear to the devil.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that because I believe that it's this generation that carries the ability and the scroll to pull this off.
[SPEAKER_03]: Scroll, meaning the information.
[SPEAKER_03]: The wisdom.
[SPEAKER_00]: We could talk about scroll.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to talk about that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Hold on a little bit before.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because first of all, you just answered, they would all a smoke.
[SPEAKER_03]: He really would, every bit of smoke.
[SPEAKER_03]: That we have.
[SPEAKER_03]: You answered one of the hardest questions I've ever, man, I was so beautiful.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember Dr. Miles Monroe said this.
[SPEAKER_03]: He said, free will is so powerful because it's the only thing on earth that even God has absolutely no control over.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's our free will.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you really answered the question in the very first sentence.
[SPEAKER_03]: He loves us.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he gave us free will.
[SPEAKER_03]: And in order for us to express love, we have free will.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we can choose to go against him.
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how he'll broke out.
[SPEAKER_03]: We want to get some.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's really the end of it here.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why that's the greatest explanation of why we're here where we are and he's playing.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's letting all of his laws, natural and spiritual are all playing out.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not interfering.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's letting it go.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's given us everything we need.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you said something even, uh, love that.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's waiting for us more than we're waiting for him to really go ahead and do what we got to do while we're here.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like, man, how long is it going to take us to figure this out?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do we need to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're doing a great work, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Free shake.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're helping a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you don't even realize what God God God came in behind.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like Jehovah sneaky.
[SPEAKER_00]: He took your whole world turned you guys into a global evangelist.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what he really did.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it truly is global.
[SPEAKER_04]: I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's global global global in a way that I have not seen and even I'm still understanding to be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm still when people talk to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm even blown away at how their life has changed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I'm just talking to you, like I'm having a great conversation with Danny DeWall.
[SPEAKER_03]: When somebody is gonna walk up to me in six months, be like, man, that conversation with Gail DeWall!
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: It saved me, bro.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, really?
[SPEAKER_04]: And they might watch it from six months from now, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, it just goes in that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean, this is, you have the unique ability to make the spiritual world practical.
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, man, you like built to speak to almost even an atheist mind, you know, because I had to come to God in a very practical way.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why a lot of people
[SPEAKER_03]: They like, well people like you need a priest to gospel to people go out and tell them that they need the blood of Jesus and Jesus cried down for his city.
[SPEAKER_03]: That didn't work for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: My mind needed to understand God a little bit more differently.
[SPEAKER_03]: I needed to kind of practically understand how this thing worked.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if I would have found you a long time ago, God would have made sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm serious because you have a you kind of break thing this this the even the spiritual realm down and in this very pragmatic way That I think some people just need to understand because you just can't beat a concept or belief into somebody's mind You have to know I come from the world of sales the worst sales person is the person that hits everybody with the same pitch
[SPEAKER_03]: The best salesperson is the person who understands what your problem and pain point is, understands the language at which you understand and I meet and talk to you in the language in which you understand.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the most powerful salesperson.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what every sales psychology book teaches.
[SPEAKER_03]: How to understand how this person understands and reach that point.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm sure I've never read a book on evangelism, but it got to be some close to that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It has to be something connected to not reading the gospel script to everybody the same way.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's one way to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, people really, they rock with the John of Baptiste.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, grab a mic and just start speaking.
[SPEAKER_03]: But there are these different ways that you can connect with some people that that just won't work.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just wanted that's just a huge compliment when I wait to get your explanation.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I have feels like a really heavy compliment.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel a very honored.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, thank you, man, because I am deliberate.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope that somebody that's watching the show right now because we try to do a better job on the three hour shows guys so you know we probably like ninety in right now probably like one thirteen one thirteen oh wow okay so we're gonna man we're covering ground yeah we are this one we are this is good I want to I want to go into this one because this is important we touched a bit on soul fragmentation yeah
[SPEAKER_03]: And help me understand what that is and how our souls can even be fragmented, what that is, and how to recognize it for the some of us that might be struggling with even recognizing if that might be them.
[SPEAKER_03]: So walk me through.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is where it starts.
[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, the Bible describes the nature of man in three parts.
[SPEAKER_00]: First, that slowly ends five, twenty-three is the clearest passage that just breaks it down.
[SPEAKER_00]: May they got of all peace sanctify you completely.
[SPEAKER_00]: I pray your whole spirit, soul and body.
[SPEAKER_00]: Be preserved, blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when we look at the design of man, what I believe is the case is that you have a spirit, a soul and a body.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, when we talk about soul fragmentation, what we're talking about is a specific
[SPEAKER_00]: aspect of our design called soul that is fragmenting.
[SPEAKER_00]: In a broader context, every part of human design is breakable.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're just having one third of the conversation because we could talk about the body, we could talk about the spirit.
[SPEAKER_00]: All of those are actually separate realms and we could talk to all of them, specifically with soul.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bible says Psalm twenty three.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Lord is my shepherd.
[SPEAKER_00]: I shall not want.
[SPEAKER_00]: He makes me to lay down in green pasture.
[SPEAKER_00]: He leaves me besides the waters.
[SPEAKER_00]: He restores my soul.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I say, well, why would God need to restore the soul if the soul didn't need fixing?
[SPEAKER_00]: If the soul couldn't break.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the book of Psalm, chapter seven, it actually talks about the soul being torn in pieces, like if it were to be rent like a lion, like by a lion.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is language in the Bible that not only speaks to what God wants to do to redeem the soul, but also that the soul can actually be
[SPEAKER_00]: horn.
[SPEAKER_00]: It also talks about it in the book of Job.
[SPEAKER_00]: How long will you tear my soul and break me in pieces with your words?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's this idea that the soul does break.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, practically speaking, what does that look like?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think in order to understand this, you have to also bring in some modern psychology words that are going to make sense to people.
[SPEAKER_00]: conscious subconscious.
[SPEAKER_00]: The conscious mind is our presenting thought word.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking to you guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have a great conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have a path of thoughts that are coming through my head.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is what I'm going to say next.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where the conversation was.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm processing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys are processing, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's conscious.
[SPEAKER_00]: But subconscious, that's the thought patterns that sit underneath what we are engaging in life.
[SPEAKER_00]: So those thought patterns might look like
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm unsafe, or I'm insecure, or I'm not good enough for this, or I could do this forever.
[SPEAKER_00]: They sound like statements, but those are programs.
[SPEAKER_00]: We all have them.
[SPEAKER_00]: and they sit in a realm called the subconscious mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so whatever those are, that defines the way that we engage from the conscious.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you have a person that has a bunch of broken things going on in their subconscious, they're not even going to be on this podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be hiding from their calling.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to feel completely disempowered to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't matter, you can give them motivational speech.
[SPEAKER_00]: do this, you can, because I said so, you know, and there's seven reasons why you're able, and they take that book, and like, maybe they read it, but it goes in one ear and out the other, because it's not able to land.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a subconscious that's standing between them and actualizing on something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, this is how parts and consciousness come together, because what it happened for most of us is when we go through traumatic stuff,
[SPEAKER_00]: we will dissociate to some degree or another.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not dissociation as a conversation point is not a bad thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are designed to dissociate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me give you an example.
[SPEAKER_00]: Either you have kids?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, not you.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I'm going to tell you about kids.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to drive you up the wall.
[SPEAKER_00]: You love them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're the cutest thing sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Other times, little tears.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, just, you know, and we all go through that as parents.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, I love my children and I have to steward them well.
[SPEAKER_00]: but they're going to test us in different ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: And some of those ways include waking up in the middle of your sleep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you were sleeping good, you thought it was okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: You went to bed at eleven, it's eleven thirty and now you got to deal with a diaper and they are crying.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you're going to get up and your other kids are fighting.
[SPEAKER_00]: like at five in the morning and now you got to go and deal with that and you know sometimes you have to just not be fully present when certainly like if you're sleep training like you have to dissociate a little bit because you got to get out of that place of frantic intervention mode like fighter fighters I know you know the baby's gonna cry for about ten minutes and then it's gonna fall asleep so I have to disassociate
[SPEAKER_00]: That.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so dissociation is something that we use in many areas of amnown, suggesting that we should dissociate our child upbringing.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I'm saying is it just is a natural thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: When we're in a room and someone's really boring and they keep talking, we will dissociate.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll go somewhere else in our mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what do they say?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, oh man, I checked out like twenty minutes ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: You still talking?
[SPEAKER_00]: You still talking, bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, and so that's natural.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as you have more trauma on something, the more traumatic something is, the more aggressive the dissociation becomes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so one of the things that sits on what I'll call the dissociative continuum is post-traumatic stress disorder.
[SPEAKER_00]: PTSD can happen because you military, your army, and your friend got their arm blown off by a grenade and you watched it happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you're back, you're out of that war environment, but every so often you wake up with massive nightmares because you're right back in that same spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: That arm is being blown off.
[SPEAKER_00]: You feel like you failed them.
[SPEAKER_00]: All of those feelings of fear and terror and helplessness are overtaking and you with screaming and all this post-traumatic stress disorder.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there was a dissociation that happens around that trauma.
[SPEAKER_00]: that causes that.
[SPEAKER_00]: As you move down the dissociative continuum, you actually see other things begin to take place, including voices in the head, and personified pieces of consciousness that can look like children, teenagers, adults, they may look like the person, and they may have other appearances, but they live inside of the mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: And at the far end of that continuum, you have something called dissociative identity disorder.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is where the dissociation has been so overused by so much trauma and abuse that a person has actually developed alternate personalities that live within their body.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they are essentially dissociated or fragmented pieces of soul.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this whole conversation surrounds dissociation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the more trauma a person goes through, the more their soul is being torn.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it looks like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: In childhood, you may have a person as being physically abused in an environment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they're in an orphanage or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, OK, that's how they handle business.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you cry too much, you're just going to get abused.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they cry too much, now the abuser comes in.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be a piece of the mind that says, I'm not sticking around for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: They'll run down a hallway of the mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes, maybe I'll call that the good boy.
[SPEAKER_00]: The good boy does not stick around for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: The bad boy does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bad boy is an identity structure.
[SPEAKER_00]: The bad boy sits there and gets beat for the next ten minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, once the trauma is over, that piece of the soul will go down.
[SPEAKER_00]: They'll actually go somewhere in the subconscious where the belief systems live, go behind a wall or some kind of place.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the other part will come back.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now the good boy is back at the surface, but the bad boy is now living in the subconscious.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now this is what can happen at that point.
[SPEAKER_00]: That person can be, you know, in an environment, everything's cool, but all of a sudden someone comes in that reminds them of the abuser that was at the orphanage.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, unbeknownst to them, they are switching.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that part that was living
[SPEAKER_00]: somewhere in the subconscious rushes to the surface with fear and anxiety and all kinds of depression and this and they're like, I don't know what's happening to me, but I feel like somebody else.
[SPEAKER_00]: For some people, that can put them in a fetal position in a closet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like people will find themselves when certain things get triggered, but there's trauma hidden that was dissociated in all kinds of circumstances.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no better place to get triggered than in a marriage.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when people get married and they have two broken people with traumatic pasts and they start to fight and they start to trigger each other, all kinds of stuff starts to come out and they don't even know what's happening to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: what we are talking about is this is practically what a broken soul looks like in lived experience and it's an interaction with pieces of consciousness that have been torn apart now living in the subconscious but getting triggered at times to the surface and that can be like voices it can be like PTSD
[SPEAKER_00]: And in severe cases, it's complete alternate personalities.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if you really want to understand something like MK Ultra or mind control projects, things that they were developing in World War II under Mangle and all that stuff, like what they are doing is taking this understanding and saying we're going to create intentional trauma.
[SPEAKER_00]: to then create splits in the soul, but then we're going to give those splitting pieces of soul the identities that we want them to have.
[SPEAKER_00]: In other words, we're going to train this one to be a beta sex slave.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to train this one to be a delta super soldier slave.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to train this one to be a school principal.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how you create a mind control slave with through trauma-based mind control.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this one conversation actually explains all of the above.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what Jesus is doing through our ministry, this is where it all comes back, is we are discovering the parts that were dissociated, those broken pieces of soul, where giving them a redemptive encounter and experience, we're reconciling the trauma with truth, we're getting deliverance from any demonic attachment, and ultimately we are
[SPEAKER_00]: integrating with the power of Jesus Christ, the soul back into one core.
[SPEAKER_00]: soul.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now the person does not any longer dissociate their triggers completely go away and they are much more empowered to live life as a whole person and that's not that's not demonic per se that's more so the soul just literally needing almost like surgery right hundred percent so this is where I say you know that there's inner healing and there's deliverance they are different we do both
[SPEAKER_00]: We do both because it's like the soul stuff that I'm talking about, those are not demons.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'll tell you, you know, I remember like I'll say now, here's one example.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say now years ago with a person, a lady, and I met a soul part named Queen B. That was her name.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, what do you do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Torment or husband?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's your job.
[SPEAKER_00]: She spoke to her mom.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but she switched.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is, so that wasn't a demon.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a soul part.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the husband might have thought it was a demon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me tell you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she goes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's all like, OK.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just talking to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, well, you know, it's nice to meet you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm here to be a friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like help me understand what did he do so wrong to you, what you know, and it's why I hate all men.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's OK.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it turned out the way that she tormented him was spending all his money on, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: online shopping.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bunch of them with S.O.P.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.
[SPEAKER_00]: a round men has been dissociated that is now the burden of queen bee, that literally that trauma is powering up this whole belief system that is producing torment in the husband's life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we got to the root trauma.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe there was probably a little bit of deliverance that was necessary, but at the same time, we're replacing lies that lie all men are pathetic slabs, and with truth.
[SPEAKER_00]: God created men, and he created women, and he loves us all.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's redemption in this.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we get past the trauma anchors, and that part ultimately integrated, and guess what behavior's changed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, so you know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: One, for those of you who think this is crazy, because it's like the Lego blocks, while you're talking, it's like the puzzle pieces are all kind of moving and something just kind of a piece is kind of landed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because one, when I'm thinking about that, you weren't even crazy with the MK Ultra, how to use and trauma to control people, but if you think about it, why would a woman
[SPEAKER_03]: who's, you know, getting her behind beat by a guy, stand out relationship, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: How does he control her for a year after year, where she can go, you know, you know, in public, stand with him, and then go home, get her ass whooped, and next thing you know, you know, she still loves him, stays with him, and does all these things.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we think, man, she's so crazy, but it's her trauma.
[SPEAKER_03]: that even he uses as a manipulator and an abuser to leverage the trauma sometimes even intentionally doing things to her to play on those those pieces fragment her soul if you will
[SPEAKER_03]: and to use that to control that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So people who are abusers or manipulators, manipulators, they are people who already practice pretty much this as far as we know.
[SPEAKER_03]: But just saying is actually programs and organizations who are doing this as scale, which just the thought of that is pretty insane.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that actually just kind of landed in my mind to kind of give it a
[SPEAKER_04]: practice a lot, you probably know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and somebody we probably know, but then you went on to say, which is even crazier to me, that there's this difference between inner healing and deliverance.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the way she's talking to you, most people deliverance ministers have described that same experience as speaking to a demon, but you describe that experience as speaking to a fragment of soul.
[SPEAKER_03]: And when you adopt a lie in your life, it does fragment your soul, because even myself, if you believe that man, I used to say this and excuse my language, but it's important thing, I used to say, I used to say, man, I need some pussy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, I need it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe that I truly needed it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe that if I didn't have it, something was going to be wrong with me.
[SPEAKER_03]: If I didn't have it, I couldn't have peace.
[SPEAKER_03]: If I didn't have it, I wouldn't relax.
[SPEAKER_03]: If I didn't have it, I wasn't rewarding myself.
[SPEAKER_03]: If I didn't have it, then I wasn't as successful.
[SPEAKER_03]: If I didn't have it, I wasn't doing good in these different areas of my life.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then if you add on other lies, as in you can't trust women, money over B, you adopt all of these lies and you put them together, you write.
[SPEAKER_03]: When you speak into that touch on, he talked way different.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like hang out with him for a night here, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't roll up a blunder or take some shots.
[SPEAKER_03]: That dude, that's a different dude right there.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, you might feel like you talking to a demon.
[SPEAKER_03]: When you talking to the man who believes, who has taken all of those beliefs and compounded those things?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because when I was selling people it was like yo I reached the guy married and I was said there was like yo like what was it like man over these last few years bro?
[SPEAKER_03]: Especially the people that knew we from college just because it was like tie you was like I Was respected amongst men and hated amongst the ladies
[SPEAKER_03]: But when I tell you, I told him it was a lot of work, but that's what I was doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was deprogramming a lot of my beliefs.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was deprogramming my beliefs around marriage, my beliefs around women, my beliefs around purpose, my beliefs around God.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was deprogramming myself and unloading so much software that have been downloaded since birth and uploading new software.
[SPEAKER_03]: about how marriage was now going to help me actually.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, oh wow, I'm going to be more productive when I'm married.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to be more successful when I'm married.
[SPEAKER_03]: A woman is going to help aid me build this kingdom.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, women actually are beneficial in this area of my life.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not just liabilities in here to take my wealth that I'm looking to build.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, like all of this new software I had to get uploaded.
[SPEAKER_03]: in order to be mentally prepared for this journey.
[SPEAKER_03]: So again, what you're teaching is just complex.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm trying to bring a practical reference.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're doing good.
[SPEAKER_03]: To everything that you're bringing because as wild as it sounds, we've all kind of experienced.
[SPEAKER_03]: Our souls being fragmented, things that are still uploaded in my subconscious right now, that it has no business being there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm telling you, and many of us, we don't know how to give it out.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we crying out to crisis, not enough.
[SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately, I hate to say that.
[SPEAKER_03]: We think, yes, it's powerful, but you have strategies
[SPEAKER_03]: to deprogram yourselves and if you can this probably one of the best ways to help close us out on this because we've had many deliverance ministers up here.
[SPEAKER_03]: We haven't had many people go deep into the deprogramming of these things.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do we achieve that tangibly?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it always the same?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it different based on the experience?
[SPEAKER_00]: How does that work?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it can be different based on the experience, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And there are different modalities that can be used to achieve the same results.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so now what I would say is like over Prime Ministeries and some of the things that we do
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that we have super effective modalities that allow us not only to help like the average Joe, like with really fast breakthrough, but we are able to also help those that have been through the most unbelievable
[SPEAKER_00]: trauma backgrounds on the planet, and it's still, we're still seeing breakthrough and fruit.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, like, you can, and it's what I say.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say there are three main ways to program the heart.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so when I talk about the heart,
[SPEAKER_00]: I say the heart is the subconscious.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the connection that I made that really helped me grow on this out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not only from the local perspective, but from a worldly perspective.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at the Bible and it's revelation on the heart, as a subconscious, it all makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: I say there's three main ways to program the heart revelation, repetition and trauma.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what happens in the Kingdom of Darkness is that they actually use trauma to give people their belief system.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, you know, the more trauma, the more twisted your identity becomes, the more the illogical nature of the cult we are thinking makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they just keep piling on trauma after trauma after trauma after trauma.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was explaining before, these people, you know, they might get started and it's like, well, you can get a little bit of power here or you can sacrifice an animal and get more power here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And but that then is trauma.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then they get their consciousness seared and it's like, well, you know, let's scale this up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why don't we just torture you for two hours and you can get this power over here and it's like, oh, you know, I'm going to sign up for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's trauma.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so as they're going through that trauma, they're also being programmed, and that is going deeper and deeper into their whole inner world and structure.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same thing that happens in the trauma-based mind control.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's trauma trauma trauma trauma trauma, and now we have parts of the soul that do different jobs and have different abilities.
[SPEAKER_00]: But repetition,
[SPEAKER_00]: That's renewing the mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's taking someone and saying, look, we're not going to just put you through a learning experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to give you a coach.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to give you a mentor and we're going to put you through a twelve-step program.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to put a different belief system over you with repetition over a period of time.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to give you, I mean, I had to work indoctrination because there's so many negative connotations of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there is a positive version of putting a new belief system in a person intentionally over time with lots and lots of repetition.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that'll actually do the job.
[SPEAKER_00]: then there's revelation, and I believe that that's where God really moves strongly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Holy Ghost, you have an encounter with God, and he can change our whole belief system on a matter in a moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, these are like what I would say are the three main ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: Revelation, repetition, and trauma.
[SPEAKER_04]: And most people get in a lot of that trauma and the wrong repetition.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then what we will do when we are helping people is we will actually go into the realm of the subconscious, intentionally, and gauge with the soul parts.
[SPEAKER_00]: find out their belief systems, find out their traumas, and then we're ministering into that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So how do you do that?
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you go into the realm of their subconscious?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll sit there with a person, for instance, you know, they say, why I had this and I had this and I had this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there anyone on the inside that is carrying extreme fear?
[SPEAKER_00]: Who on the inside carries the extreme fear of mom?
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk to that person.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's safe.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am inviting you to come.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just beneath the surface.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just talk to him just like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that part will just come right up.
[SPEAKER_00]: They might be four.
[SPEAKER_00]: They might be eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever it is, they present emotions come up.
[SPEAKER_00]: The body may manifest a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: There may be demonic attachments on that thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but that's, that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not like anything weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's literally conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: There'll be an opposite.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, I mean, when I work with people, I mean, we've been deprogramming folks for a decade.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do most of my stuff on Zoom.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, or we use Microsoft Teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's how we're serving people all over the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I don't need them in the room with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just get on a call with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I mean,
[SPEAKER_00]: We plough through stuff, issues, get ready through it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But once we get the parts and we're able to minister that reconciliation, then the belief system automatically changes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like actually operating in the realm of revelation because when that part of them gets that revelation of the truth of a matter or they get a revelation that Jesus Christ
[SPEAKER_00]: is their deliverer and they are getting delivered of a demonic attachment on a trauma or whatever that is, then the transformation happens immediately.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, when I tell you that's, uh, I just completely lost my whole damn aquatic.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we're at a great question.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm just so in, I'm like, my mind is blank.
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't even, we didn't even talk about the body and we didn't talk about the spirit because we're focusing on one third of the conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like,
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a very broad conversation, but go ahead.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, you just got me thinking, and I don't want to conclude the conversation here, because I think we just need to bring them back, because it's, but as you were talking about soul fragmentation and this and the repetition, man, then a lot of guys, and this is so regular now, is there, like the amount of guys that we speak to regularly, that are addicted to porn, it's massive, it's like,
[SPEAKER_04]: almost every thing like if a guy tells me and Tasha, hey Ryan, you know, I want to be a part of a brotherhood, you know, I need help with growth.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, it's something in my life that I miss.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not quite sure.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nine times out of ten, a big poor addition is something to struggle with.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the levels that
[SPEAKER_04]: they're unable to reach, because this part of them is so consumed with porn, and that's something that we're even trying to figure out, because you gotta help, you gotta help these guys, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: But when you were talking about soul fragmentation, it immediately made me think of that, it's like, I think that is something that might be suffering from, is this part of their soul, is suffered this trauma, so the solution is this literally daily, by daily or whatever,
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is why, too, in our community, man, the first thing we do is we implement a new way to renew yourself.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, reps, photosie who not in a community, and want to be in a community, you can also apply right now in the description as well, but reps, and you can do this now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Daily, every single morning, reading, scripture, exercising, prayer, and scrubbing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, journaling every single day because repetition we understand this is one way to massively reprogram yourself and to put new software on your body.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we was talking about this actually recently and Bible study this past week because
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a tough conversation because when you really read what Christ is telling us to do, Christ, like forgiveness.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like yo, you need to get that out of your heart.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, he's calling us to get that software off of your heart and upload this new software of love.
[SPEAKER_03]: You need this new software of forgiveness on here.
[SPEAKER_03]: You need this new software on here to get that lust out of your heart and you need this new software.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I feel like there's also a larger group of Christians who have reduced Christ's message or Christianity to just the belief of the concept.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sentiment.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just believe the deathbar and resurrection and you straight, not necessarily
[SPEAKER_03]: do the work of the programming that crisis calling us to have, which expresses belief.
[SPEAKER_03]: That expresses that that actually takes work though, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it takes work to actually take all that software off.
[SPEAKER_03]: that you've probably had uploaded even before you got here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your mom was probably smoking crack in the womb.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your prop, you have probably been exposed to sin before you hit your first breath of air.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So you already have work to do, but see that takes work.
[SPEAKER_03]: to actually have that software, but many of us are like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: All we gotta do is say, I believe that Christ is this and that and I'm saved and I'm good, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that, man, I feel like that makes you such a weak, a weak believer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you have just reduced everything to just the belief of a concept and I'm good, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just trying to curl up in his ball and not sin, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: versus actually doing that work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so can I talk to this for a second?
[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was addicted to porn.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: I went through that for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in fact, that this was in college.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had a girlfriend and, you know, let me, we were doing what we did.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I broke up with her because it was a highly toxic relationship.
[SPEAKER_00]: And after that, I was like, okay, well now that sex is out of my life, I have an alternative.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that alternative, I woke up one morning and realized it wasn't just an alternative.
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't function.
[SPEAKER_00]: without it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I had never to that point been addicted to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even know what it was like to feel true powerlessness.
[SPEAKER_00]: True powerlessness.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was powerless.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, if I don't engage in porn, I can't even study.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm trying to read the words in my textbook.
[SPEAKER_00]: My brain wouldn't work.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was, I was like, I have to have porn, so I can study.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where I landed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was there for a little while.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm in the same boat, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a lot of guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, actually an increasing number of women.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: An increasing number of women.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not just guys anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's everybody's problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Agreed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're in that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're powerless.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, okay, you know, and one of the things that I think it's really tough is you go to a real powerful preacher.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and they're going to preach the fire gun on you, but the way that it can come out is
[SPEAKER_00]: shame and disqualification because it's like wow you know God died for this and he died so you could be free of this and you need to not do this and God has so much so much better for you and you're like yes he does but I'm still addicted and now I just feel shame and so you know I think
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the things that I don't do is I don't play shame evangelism games like I don't believe that you can shame someone into a better kingdom manifestation Because I work for too many broken people so so is I one thing if you just Outward but when you spend so much time in the inner world of what people are actually going through you do get a different perspective because I know I fully understand
[SPEAKER_00]: what's going on inside the mechanics and how deep these struggles can be.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm having all of the conversations with the people that are injured by certain approaches to ministry or transformation or achieving change and it's like, okay, you know, I have the people who have conversations with me, they're not gonna have anybody else.
[SPEAKER_00]: But coming back to my story, what set me free was grace.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to explain this because no one had ever explained to me what grace was.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had gotten grace as unmarried a favor.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what is that?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is unmarried a favor?
[SPEAKER_00]: Unmarried a favor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't deserve it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, favorite at you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So how do you use that?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great concept, it's good language, but it's like, okay, but what good does that do me right now in my problem, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have this theological concept, and that's what I was, I don't know what grace is, but I know that I have it because I'm saved.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, this is what happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was in prayer, so this is what I would do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would come home from class, sit on my computer, do porn.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I turn on the worship music, get on my face and pray for an hour.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'd go study.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was my cycle.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got this co-fail and pulling a prayer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, so, I'm just being real, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, I started praying about God.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what to do about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was like, this is what you do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want you every time you fail.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you talk to me, you talk to me like,
[SPEAKER_00]: I know you're going to fail.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you are going to fail again.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not fixing this today.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we're on a journey to fix it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, every time you fail, I want you to get on your face, repent and pray for the grace to never want to do it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I understand what grace was.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even understand that instruction.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, pray for grace.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, well, nothing else is working.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I will try.
[SPEAKER_00]: And guess what?
[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Day one.
[SPEAKER_00]: First week still addicted.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ten days still addicted.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I did that every day because I was like, well, what else am I going to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Not do it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm still going to be on porn.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that that just went on.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then there was a day.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a day.
[SPEAKER_00]: I came home from class just like any other day, but something had shifted.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the desire was completely gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: All that was left was the habit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it was no longer an addiction, it was a choice.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I realized I'm like, I can choose.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've gotten power back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could choose to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't choose not to.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I chose at that point, not to.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was my freedom.
[SPEAKER_00]: Later on, when I was in Bible school, I took a course and I learned more about grace.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I realized was grace is more than just unmarried a favor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Grace is also divine influence upon the heart.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the finished work and it's God's ability.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what I realized once I connected the dots was God was teaching me to receive His ability to be free of my problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was strategically praying according to spiritual mechanics that allowed me access to something God had for me that I was not accessing before that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was accessing God's ability to be free.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was accessing divine influence upon the heart.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was opening up my subconscious to a different influence.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was not an automatic just because I was saved.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was going back to church at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to learn how to apply what Jesus has purchased for us to have.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not an automatic.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where a lot of people, they don't understand deliverance, I think what it was all finished at the cross, so you shouldn't even have the problem at all, is like, all right, now that doesn't work.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: But grace for me was the big difference maker.
[SPEAKER_00]: And especially if you understand that grace is something that can be intentionally received and you pair that with some inner healing work from maybe childhood sexual trauma and other things that drive that behavior and addiction, you're going to have a recipe for breakthrough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't let this one breathe, man, because if I got notes right now, you're probably got a page full of notes, a page full of questions, a mind and body full of revelations.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's probably a lot that you got in this conversation, because I absolutely surely did, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is, man, you got an incredible body and knowledge, man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I literally use that.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's how I get my five to six minutes of journal time in.
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