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[SPEAKER_02]: Two guests plus the training thoughts segment this week.
[SPEAKER_02]: The kick things off with Pucks John O'RAND who gives us the lowdown information analysis of the massive ESPN NFL media deal that took place this week.
[SPEAKER_02]: And well, your questions about red zone and NFL network and NFL games that will be bearing on ESPN and
[SPEAKER_02]: NFL Network are answered in the segment with jump.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that kicks things off.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then following John O'Ran, we have Katie Nolan from Sirius XM.
[SPEAKER_02]: Katie has a podcast with Sirius XM called Casuals.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we get into what's going on with her.
[SPEAKER_02]: She tells us
[SPEAKER_02]: What the podcast is all about, we comment on some sports items, Bill Bella checking his girlfriend, which Katie was intertwined with with the Pablo story, Pablo Tory story and all that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we get into the big WNBA phenomenon that's taking place and some stuff about gambling and where Katie stands about sports gambling sort of infiltrating sports television.
[SPEAKER_02]: So a great conversation with her.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, of course, train of thoughts with Salatata to close things out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So make sure you stick around for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Before we get to it, great run of guest recently.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hope you guys have checked them out.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you haven't, Peter Schreger last week was Phenomo.
[SPEAKER_02]: We did about a half an hour on Peter's move from the NFL network to ESPN, which I runically now.
[SPEAKER_02]: who knows if he's back within a felt technically, but he's still an ESPN guy, but it's a ton of interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Peter was on like, again, then we did a half hour in the Billy Joel dock on HBO.
[SPEAKER_02]: So check that out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brian Curtis from the ringer a couple of weeks ago, Scott Hansen again with the big news.
[SPEAKER_02]: He will remain the red zone.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one has to worry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Scott was on a few weeks ago, Dan O'Lawski, Jeremy Schap, recent guests as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, joining me now.
[SPEAKER_02]: As I media podcast, regular had to call him in after the official announcement of ESPN and NFL media, which is very confusing, very complicated on the business side of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what my guess covers.
[SPEAKER_02]: So well, I can handle sort of the fan side of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we call on, of course, John O'Ran from Puck to help us out here.
[SPEAKER_02]: John, how's it going?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's going great before we get into this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: You have, like, it's almost become a meme, or you just, you hate Brian Cashman.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I want to do a defense of Brian Cashman, for a second, as a, as a, if you would like to do that, you cannot, can I, I'll just say one sentence, then you defend it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's been here for a hundred years, he's won one world series.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, go ahead, let me hear your defense.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's been in, the Yankees have been in the postseason
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's seventeen of the last nineteen years.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have a three hundred million dollar payroll.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could be the GM and get them in the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_02]: The goal is to try in the world series, not be in the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_04]: The Orioles went to the postseason two years in a row and it felt great.
[SPEAKER_04]: It just felt great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me go see Brian Cashman be the GM of the pirates.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when you have a three hundred million dollar payroll, what you can do is make mistake after mistake after mistake like he's done Joey Gallo.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll go through it and then cover them up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just keep adding people.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: The anyway, I like him.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like him.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can have them.
[SPEAKER_04]: By the way, I'm not Yankee San, so it's easy for me to say that I like them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, take them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you one thing in this NFL ESPN deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes me one of my first thoughts.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a few first thoughts.
[SPEAKER_02]: One was, if you're baseball, you've got to get back in bed with ESPN.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it just, if you're a sport, you need to be partners with ESPN.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm not a hundred percent certain that's true, but I am among my brethren, you know, Marshan and Alex Sherman and, you know, the likes.
[SPEAKER_04]: I am probably the most optimistic for baseball's media future.
[SPEAKER_04]: And when I see, so I think I want to build off what you're saying, because it's virtually correct.
[SPEAKER_04]: In terms of like baseball is coming up in twenty twenty eight, hopefully four baseball.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's no effort for us.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's fan to the of the game.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, there are no lost games and there's no prolonged strike or anything along those those lines.
[SPEAKER_04]: But these media companies like ESPN,
[SPEAKER_04]: don't have unlimited money like they used to.
[SPEAKER_04]: And when baseball comes up, you know, yes, Pan just, they're spending a lot of money on the WWE, they're spending a lot of money on the NFL, and they're going to continue to spend a lot of money on the NFL.
[SPEAKER_04]: They want to be known as the home of college football.
[SPEAKER_04]: How much money is realistically sort of left out of there?
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, what if the NFL goes really?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yes, ESPN does not need Major League Baseball.
[SPEAKER_02]: Major League Baseball needs ESPN, at least to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to put your Wildcard series on Apple really when the average MLB fan is about five hundred years old.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good luck with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good luck.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you do?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you do?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're already embarrassed enough as a sport that Fox has such little respect for you that they put the ALCS and LCS on FS one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I basically need to have a little respect back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, Kyle.
[SPEAKER_04]: When when the Yankees are on Apple TV plus on a Friday night, do you do subscribe?
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you go and watch or not?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I do not.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't watch the games on Amazon.
[SPEAKER_04]: either.
[SPEAKER_04]: That that that that that present a big problem and and one of the things about these streamers to is that they don't seem to have.
[SPEAKER_04]: much of an interest in getting a full season worth to entice you to go.
[SPEAKER_04]: So like it's easy for you to say no to one Friday night.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: If it was every Friday night, I know it might be a little bit more of a problem.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not here for my eight billion streaming ramp.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's talk about ESPN and NFLM is in this monster deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: I sort of look at it like there's two angles here.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's the business side of the deal which you you cover so thoroughly and then there's the stuff that I think the typical NFL cares about on a Sunday like what happens with red zone who's calling the games, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let me ask you this.
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: From a business standpoint, explain to people because I think there was some confusion about like, okay, ESPN buys the NFL network and some other assets, but then the NFL
[SPEAKER_02]: gets a ten percent stake in ESPN.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell me like what both sides, I know ESPN wants content for the direct consumer app, but like give us an overall summary of like what both sides wanted and are getting out of all this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so what what the NFL let's start with the NFL with the NFL is getting out of this is it.
[SPEAKER_04]: They were overseeing two declining assets in NFL network and NFL red zone.
[SPEAKER_04]: People love NFL red zone, but like the rest of the cable business, it was losing subscribers and the NFL
[SPEAKER_04]: I've covered the NFL now for a couple of decades.
[SPEAKER_04]: They don't like to be associated with anything that's not growing.
[SPEAKER_04]: That doesn't fit the shield, so to speak.
[SPEAKER_04]: So they were eager to find somebody to take that over and timing being everything on this.
[SPEAKER_04]: ESPN is launching a new streaming service.
[SPEAKER_04]: It needs content for the streaming service.
[SPEAKER_04]: And for ESPN, I think people are overstating somewhat the idea of like, oh, well, it'll be great for ESPN to be partners with the NFL because it's going to inoculate them against the rights.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we just
[SPEAKER_04]: went through a period where, you know, the Turner Warner Brothers Discovery operated all of an NBA TV and for a long time, it operated all of NBA digital as well and still like weren't able to to close a deal with the NBA that they wanted to close.
[SPEAKER_04]: So this makes it harder to unwind.
[SPEAKER_04]: It makes it easier for ESPN, but it's not a hundred percent certain that I mean, if ESPN comes, that doesn't pay enough.
[SPEAKER_04]: For Monday Night Football, you could see that going somewhere else.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's likely to stay on the ESPN.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's generally good for ESPN, but I don't think it's a hundred percent lock solid there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm fascinated to hear you say numbers for the red zone have gone down.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems more popular than ever.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a popular programming service, and there is a certain amount of hype to the Red Zone channel.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it didn't mean to pick on Red Zone channel.
[SPEAKER_04]: The numbers for every single cable channel are dropping.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the quote cutting has been going on.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so that's where the NFL Red Zone operates.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so it's just losing subscribers, losing subscribers.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think there's going to be a lot of, and I do, I also thought, because some they take it as priced out so much, more people would go to red zone, but I'm surprised that there's, I think there's going to be a lot of confusion here about red zone.
[SPEAKER_02]: One thing I should have said at the top, I, if people listening who are trying to get information, one thing I should say, nothing is happening right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: This will not really go into effect until next season, if and when government regulators approve everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going on the basis that government regulators approve this, and then it starts for the twenty twenty six season.
[SPEAKER_02]: And red zone will be a linear property of ESPN still owned and run by
[SPEAKER_02]: NFL network.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there are these deranged sociopaths on Twitter who think that Steven A. Smith is getting the host red zone.
[SPEAKER_02]: ESPN is going to put commercials on red zone and ESPN is going to like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to tweet for something that red zone will go rogue as if Scott Hanson's going to talk about Ukraine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything on red zone will be produced by the NFL.
[SPEAKER_02]: ESPN is going to have nothing to do with the presentation of red zone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, where it does get confusing is how you access red zone because the linear is part of it, but the digital is not.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to shed some light on that for us if you can.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_04]: By the way, I've seen that that people people losing their minds over that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I just point to like, like, first of all, Jimmy Petaro is a smart, executive.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he knows what he knows what works and what doesn't work.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the idea that he would spend all this money in time trying to bring over NFL red zone only to have sort of Steven A. Come in like in the corner to roll his eyes every time it gets quarterback throws an interception or whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like that's not going to happen.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like it's up.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you can point
[SPEAKER_04]: There are several examples, like, bringing in the patmac fee.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they stay out of patmac, or they just let him do what he does.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the idea that they're going to try to ESPenify Red Zone, I don't think is accurate.
[SPEAKER_04]: why I don't think will happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And let me just say one thing because I was shocked by the amount of people responding who are worried about ESPN putting commercials on red zone.
[SPEAKER_02]: First of all, they can't.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be again run by the NFL.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was the NFL issue who I think I don't watch red zone because I watch something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Take it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think last year is when they started to put some sponsorships or some ads and it runs out, correct?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they've been sort of going that way a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would be surprised if they didn't try.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_04]: And TV is an advertising medium.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would be surprised if they didn't try to add in some sort of ads, but it would be like a side by side ad.
[SPEAKER_04]: It would, you would still be able to get right there.
[SPEAKER_04]: They wouldn't cut to a two minute break of ads.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's all point of red zone for good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it would be, if they did that, it would be done by the NFL not ESPN.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, I do believe that
[SPEAKER_04]: The part of the reason that the ESPN wanted to do this is for access through through its direct consumer app that's launching in a couple of weeks.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you're not going to be able to get red zone just from that app, but you're going to have access to NFL plus.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then you can sort of upgrade through NFL plus.
[SPEAKER_04]: And all of this is within the walled garden of the ESPN app.
[SPEAKER_04]: So there is going to be
[SPEAKER_04]: There is a part of this play by ESPN was certainly because of its app launching and getting the added content for that app.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that added content doesn't include NFL red zone, even if it doesn't really own the digital right to just own.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just the linear, the TV channel, but what we call like the linear channel instead.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's sort of impossible to talk about the ESPN NFL deal without
[SPEAKER_02]: talking about the direct to consumer app because that's really what this is all about at the end of the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: So from what I know, if you're still a relic like me and have cable,
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything will be relatively easy for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really the chord cutters who might have to go through an extra layer or two for red zone because if you don't have a base subscription, like I pay cable Verizon files, so people have YouTube TV, I guess there's Hulu live, you know, if you don't have one of those things and you just want the thirty dollar a month ESPN direct to Koot Sumerap, you will have access to every ESPN station.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is, you'll end up next year with access to NFL network.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you will not have access digitally to red zone.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to pay a separate for that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think you have to pay.
[SPEAKER_04]: So this interview is kind of funny because it's like we started with Cashman and then talked about baseball like it's always, and that's sort of how this deal is to me.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's sort of like, yeah, we're going to find out a lot.
[SPEAKER_04]: My understanding is that the only way you're going to be able to get the NFL Red Zone through the ESPN app that's launching is through the NFL Plus aspect of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: as opposed to just buying it directly.
[SPEAKER_04]: You have to buy NFL plus.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then you'll get access to it.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I think that's an important point, though, that you made where ESPN is doing the, they're redoing their deals.
[SPEAKER_04]: They did it with charter.
[SPEAKER_04]: They did it with Comcast.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think they've done it with Verizon to where,
[SPEAKER_04]: If you're a subscriber to one of those bundles, you're going to be able to have access for free to this ESPN app.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to help ESPN because they're going to add you in as a subscriber, whether you use the app or not.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's sort of a turbo charge that aspect of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it's also, when they first talked about the idea of this app,
[SPEAKER_04]: And they said, no, we're not going after people like you who are cable subscribers.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're going after the coronavirus.
[SPEAKER_04]: It sounded like BS to me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Of course, you're going after people like Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_04]: And just the fact that you would be able to get this for free as a bundled subscriber.
[SPEAKER_04]: And also the cost, like, thirty dollars a month.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's too prohibitive for you to
[SPEAKER_04]: get out of the bundle to get it.
[SPEAKER_04]: So they are really trying to get the, you know, coordinates or the court cutters had.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I still think cables the best deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm the wrong person to talk to.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think what we'll also add another layer of confusion to all this to is ESPN plus is remaining.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you don't want the thirty dollar
[SPEAKER_02]: direct to consumer app, they're still the eleven ninety nine ESPN app ESPN plus app which is not going away obviously that will have a lot less you don't have access to everything but there's still that option so I guess for someone like me was going to keep cable.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can go like I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so on a Saturday afternoon, there's a random ACC football game that I'm gonna have money on.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not on ESPN or ESPN to a the ACC network.
[SPEAKER_02]: Am I watching it on the thirty dollar app or am I watching it on ESPN plus?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, there's still, I think a little.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's a Verizon subscriber.
[SPEAKER_04]: You'll be able to watch ESPN plus through the ESPN app.
[SPEAKER_04]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_04]: But if you're ESPN plus subscriber, you're going to have to upsell.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're going to have to go.
[SPEAKER_04]: How much is ESPN plus now?
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's like, eleven ninety nine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bundle with ESPN plus school, Lou and Disney plus.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if you watch those, you get like all three for like thirteen, fourteen dollars or something like
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, they have an analysis yet, but it seems obvious to me that there are going to be sun setting ESPN plus eventually.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the only reason that ESPN plus will still exist is due to a couple of contractual rights deals that they have in place like with UFC and a couple of those college conferences that you mentioned.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, we don't know anything about it yet, because like I said, I mean, this just became official on Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're taking Wednesday.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got a way to year basically for this to go through.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how long the government takes, but while ESPN won't have anything really to do with the content of red zone, ESPN will eventually run the NFL network.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think that do you think that all those shows end up going away and there's new shows?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think those shows exist and an AESPN floods the NFL network zone with ESPN talent?
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you think that's going to work out?
[SPEAKER_04]: That's going to be particularly interesting because it's not going to be an ESPN branded show because the ESPN talent goes across every single ESPN channel.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is an NFL network that's out there.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I can see
[SPEAKER_04]: Here's the thing about NFL Network is that they have the morning show that is now sort of produced on a shoestring it seems.
[SPEAKER_04]: It seems like everybody sort of zooming in on those.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then they have like the the Eisen pre game.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't I would bet you that it's just being doesn't do anything with that since Rich Eisen is the the face of
[SPEAKER_04]: of the NFL network.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I would expect that to remain.
[SPEAKER_04]: But there really aren't that many other studio shows.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I can see people that are talking about the ESPNification of the NFL, I can see that in a lot of the studio shows that that happen on NFL network.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because there aren't that many right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think they're just going to have more NFL talk on NFL network.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But will they have that with ESP?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, could you see, Dan Orlovsky doing a, oh, I told you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so I totally couldn't.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And like, why wouldn't they?
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the whole point of bringing them under the ESP and umbrella is to to allow that to happen.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I think that they still do the reason that I.
[SPEAKER_04]: sounded so smart me at the beginning of this is like they still do want to have an NFL network like you know what I would be surprised if you saw eyes and come off come over on the ESPN like I think that they do have one have a couple of faces that are unique to that network got it okay
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's interesting too because you said this earlier, but the NFL, I mean, part of the reason this is happening is they had not been able to make NFL network work in terms of ratings.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think it's just strictly because of chord cutting and it's hard to be a niche.
[SPEAKER_02]: Channel, or do you think it was more than that?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it was all, I'll, I'll chord cutting.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, the NFL network was, it was, you know, hugely popular.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why I want to had a,
[SPEAKER_04]: Every now and then it had a game because they would always put the worst games on the NFL network.
[SPEAKER_04]: But every now and then one of those bad games ended up between two playoff teams and they would get significant viewership for that.
[SPEAKER_04]: So NFL network for a long time, it probably is the most successful of all the league on networks, but which probably isn't surprising because the NFL is the most successful of all the leagues.
[SPEAKER_04]: They've just
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, anybody that reads me, I go off way too often on RSNs, the regional sports networks and the regional sports networks are in a heap of trouble just because they're expensive.
[SPEAKER_04]: And costs are going up and the subscribers are dropping.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's essentially what happened to all these league on networks like the NFL networks.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it has anything to do with how they produce shows or the programming that's on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, another part of this deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's another part of this deal with fantasy where they're going to merge the NFL fantasy game into the ESPN fantasy game.
[SPEAKER_02]: They'll be one fantasy game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't play fantasy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't care.
[SPEAKER_02]: The other part though is this very, very confusing and convoluted deal with.
[SPEAKER_02]: Games going from ESPN to NFL network and back to the NFL, and I'm not even going to try to break it down.
[SPEAKER_02]: What you need to know is the NFL network will still air seven games, which I will be fascinated to see who calls those games.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, ESPN has their B crew of Fowler or Lovsky and Riddick.
[SPEAKER_02]: They could just use them on those games, but if those are international games on Saturday morning, a Sunday morning, excuse me, Chris Fowler can't do them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now who does those games?
[SPEAKER_02]: Eisen was used on those games.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that all is way down the road.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know anything about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I mean, the ESPN went from getting twenty five games a season now, they'll have twenty eight, but the ES the Monday night.
[SPEAKER_02]: staggered start, double headers, those have gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: The biggest offshoot of that is somehow four games in this mix are going to the NFL.
[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously, the NFL is going to sell those games, most likely to streamers and make a lot of money, correct?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, one of the things that the NFL, all the leagues are hearing from the streamers is that they want
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm sorry, this is such a corporate word, but they want to eventize the games.
[SPEAKER_04]: So they want Netflix once the games on Christmas Day, you know, Amazon.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know it has a full season of Thursday night football, but it wants Black Friday.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like what's better than Black Friday on Amazon.
[SPEAKER_04]: So as you take a look at what the NFL is doing, I could see
[SPEAKER_04]: like a, you know, a labor day game or, you know, veterans day game, like, you know, foxes, such as has shown sort of, you know, how to build that out a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: So anything that they can sort of build in a story outside the field or outside the teams playing is something that the streamers have shown that they will actually step up and pay for.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think what's going to be really, really interesting is to see the NFL schedule for the twenty twenty six season because you just hit on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you would have to imagine you might see some new windows as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they started now the Friday night after the opener.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, they're going to continue that.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they have four games to play with, I could see them, you know, I really wish, well, I wish he is pin would have done as an experiment with those Monday games.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have loved to have seen a game at four and then at eight.
[SPEAKER_02]: They never did that.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did seven and ten or seven and eight, fifteen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, maybe, you know, you mentioned Labor Day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe there's a Monday afternoon for a clock game on Netflix that will lead into Monday and I football week.
[SPEAKER_02]: They can do a lot of playing.
[SPEAKER_02]: with the schedule with these four games and obviously you would imagine they're gonna go to streamers without a doubt.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, or like, and I'm just speculating here.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is not reporting.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you could see like an opening week of like we're gonna have NFL games every single day of the week.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, you know, why not put it on Wednesday night, you know, you're not coming off a Sunday game or, or, or, you know, have something on a Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, there are a lot of windows that are out there.
[SPEAKER_04]: that the streamers would be extremely interested in trying to, trying to take advantage of.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think CBS Fox and NBC, you think, well, what do you think their reaction is to this deal?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think they don't care?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think maybe they're, I mean, now the NFL has a ten percent stake in ESPN.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think those networks are?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think they love it.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I don't want to pretend that this doesn't matter at all.
[SPEAKER_04]: But remember, like, when did I first start writing the story about the NFL media being up for sale?
[SPEAKER_04]: And this isn't like something that just came out just two months ago.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the ESPN was like, wow, we're getting it and did it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And did it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Every single one of those networks that you talked about,
[SPEAKER_04]: kick the tires on this, decide whether they wanted to do it or not, and passed on it.
[SPEAKER_04]: ESPN was the only ones that tried to stuck with it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And if ESPN wasn't launching a direct consumer service, there's a big question about whether they would have even done this deal in the first place, because you'd like them as well, doesn't want declining assets.
[SPEAKER_04]: Neither of these media companies either.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're not jumping up and down by saying in joy.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they're also not ripping their hair out over the whole.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen some things here in the two about people concerned about sort of the quote unquote journalism of ESPN with the NFL.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you think CBS, Fox, NBC or ESPN before this deal,
[SPEAKER_02]: where we're covering the NFL down the middle.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got a bridge to sell you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those networks have been partners with the NFL.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how it works.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you know people in this business, there are stories up and down about the NFL.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't say this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't say that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't do that.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I will say this about ESPN is that they do have a roster of people like Don Van Aada.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's Kaelor, Seth Wecker-Shem.
[SPEAKER_04]: I hate when I start naming names.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to leave anybody out.
[SPEAKER_04]: But they have a roster of people who write stories that the NFL doesn't like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And having the NFL now is a part owner.
[SPEAKER_04]: I look, Don Vanada doesn't take his marching orders from, you know, any, any league, but it does create a. So, so this is what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_04]: Somebody at ESPN editorial is going to say, we have never once been.
[SPEAKER_04]: talk to by the NFL.
[SPEAKER_04]: The NFL has never once reached out and asked us to change your story or asked us to.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's going to be true, but they don't have to.
[SPEAKER_04]: The people in charge, they knew if they know who their owners are.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, and it's something that doesn't actually have to happen to have them reach out and talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: One thing I should have mentioned on red zone, because I just saw a tweet, I guess get dealt spoke about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess, well, while he is pinned, does not.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll not be producing or having anything to do with the content you see on red zone.
[SPEAKER_02]: They own sort of like the intellectual property in terms of like they can create other red zone like an MBA red zone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody, nobody's going to care.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's like, you know, what it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's that famous thing?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, all those red zone works.
[SPEAKER_04]: They do all their games at the same time on a Sunday once a week.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I've heard about college football red zone.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it would have to be like an SEC or red zone because they don't have the the the right.
[SPEAKER_02]: to do a big ten red zone or you know a lot of big twelve games are you know so it's going to be hard to to create a red zone that's going to be as um popular as a then absolutely and it before we wrap it anything about the deal you want to say anything in asking that you think some point anything the fans should know about it I think we covered I think what the fans care about the people listening to this podcast care about its red zone who's calling games where can the access game how much they have to pay for games
[SPEAKER_02]: Anything we didn't hit on that you think people should know.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think the only thing for fans is I think that it's a good deal for fans.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that I understand a lot of that angst that's out there.
[SPEAKER_04]: I see the angst that's out there.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm not trying to guess later anything like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: But like I get the sense that they're they're envisioning an NFL network.
[SPEAKER_04]: from a decade ago.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, if you get, I think I was just on NFL Network Jimmy, and I think I was watching the Cowboys Steelers Super Bowl from like, uh, nineteen, seventy-nine, you know, and it's like, you know, which was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: I enjoyed it, but it's not as though they have, you know, really thought provoking studio shows, you know, during the day that, and I, having ESPN,
[SPEAKER_04]: take it over.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe they won't be thought-provoking, but they'll have the original studio shows that are going to cater to people that like the NFL.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think for fans listening, I don't think you have to worry about anything in terms of content.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the only thing that might become a struggle is where you're fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, I don't have cable.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do I get red zone?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I have ESPN plus where do I get this game on NFL?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's gonna be some confusion about where to find things, because there's so many layers here, but in terms of the content watching the games, I don't really think you need to worry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, we're in lockstep on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, John, I appreciate you coming on on short notice and shedding some light on the big deal here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish we had a couple of minutes again to direct a consumer because that's going to be a big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's coming up in a couple of weeks before you go a thirty seconds.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you think that's you think a lot of people will go to the thirty dollar app?
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you think it comes out of the gate?
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't, I think, thirty is expensive.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think the, so here in DC, I have a bunch of friends that subscribe to the mass and app.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mid-Atlantic sports network.
[SPEAKER_04]: The Oreo season has been a total disaster and one hundred percent of the people that subscribe to that app.
[SPEAKER_04]: have canceled their subscriptions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_04]: First, you know, so, so the for for for listening viewers, you know, you go in, you want to watch ESPN during, you know, the NFL or during college football.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, yeah, I'm going to do it in the fall.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then, and then you, you turn out because that's sort of, it's a lot easier to do that in a streaming environment than not.
[SPEAKER_04]: So my, my suspicion is that they're, they're launching,
[SPEAKER_04]: before the college football and NFL season, they're going to see a lot of subscribers there.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're not going to tell us what their subscriber numbers are, but my guess is that come January or come February, you're going to see a pretty big drop off in terms of those subscribers, and it'll come back up again in August.
[SPEAKER_02]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, John Owen from Pock.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am a subscriber to the newsletter.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is worth every penny.
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys do a great job there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So keep it up and thank you for coming on and appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anytime, man, thanks for the call.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, joining me now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Always happy when she comes on the pod, long time friend of the pod.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now with serious XM and casuals, which we will get into, Katie Nolan, Katie, how are you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Jimmy, I'm so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good to see you.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's good to see you.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have so much to talk about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what?
[SPEAKER_02]: But I want to start with something ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So even though I know you and we go way back, I still have to Google you to get some information for research purposes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if you've noticed this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you Googled yourself lately?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, though, so, you know, it gives you the questions people ask.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: My mom did this once, and she screamed, shouted to me that it said, what happened to Katie Nolan?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it made me want to.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is actually much worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a bunch of questions about like, are you engaged?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who's your boyfriend?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you get engaged or who's your, are they still together?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the number one question is, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: What happened to Katie Nolan when she got kidnapped?
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there something I swear on my life?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the number one thing that she got kidnapped.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so like I thought I knew you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought maybe I would know if there was a kidnapping, but do you know who did it when it happened?
[SPEAKER_02]: You have an issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know that my origin story when I was six, I got I got now been taken in a van.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Man turned out to be Jamie Horowitz.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how it all began.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I have no idea what that is.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: The beginning of that sentence hurts my feelings.
[SPEAKER_00]: The end of the question confuses me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't get kidnapped to clear the room.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number one.
[SPEAKER_02]: What was Katie Nolan when she was kidnapped?
[SPEAKER_00]: It used to be Katie Nolan feet.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess I'll take this over that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have a good wiki feet score?
[SPEAKER_00]: It was five.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then recently I saw it dropped down, not sure why.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you drop?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Guess I could I could stand to trim my toenails.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need a few more.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you do it in there?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: What happened to Kenny Lujus?
[SPEAKER_02]: Can I?
[SPEAKER_02]: She's she's located within a couple of days, eventually being found by Kelly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything is fake.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's is that from a tree grows in Brooklyn?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's his eventually being found by Kelly who was highly determined to find her.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was pretty badly beaten up and taking into a hospital as a result.
[SPEAKER_02]: Katie also identified killer as her doctor and we've got anyone to get into.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks like it's Katie Nolan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Chicago fire wiki.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what any of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a character called on Chicago fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know there's a character in a tree grows in Brooklyn, the book named kiddo.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm pretty sure she's a grandma.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think she's getting kidnapped.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's elder abuse, if anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's wild.
[SPEAKER_00]: The internet doesn't feel like it just makes stuff up now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to like quadruple check everything I read.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even doing that is harder than it used to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm losing my mind, Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so I'll tell you story I wasn't going to tell you, but because I look like the asshole, but I'll do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hell yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I googled Katie, no, so when you googled, which you, I guess you can't even google these these days.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all AI.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I googled you and that is what came up in the main page.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then when I googled someone for the podcast, I always hit the news tab to see like what they've been up to.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the first thing that came up when I hit the news tab was an article about you leaving Fox and getting hired by ESPN.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought in my head,
[SPEAKER_02]: when it was the number one story.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought, and it was from ALL.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: ALL.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I literally thought they posted it, making a mistake, because I know ESPN just hired some digital person named Katie.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it said, ESPN hires Katie knowing for digital.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, oh, they must have made a mistake.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's ALL.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: Me all that I look, it's like from twenty sixteen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was the first thing that came up.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the internet is completely,
[SPEAKER_00]: Worked fine for like five years.
[SPEAKER_00]: We hit a sweet spot and then maybe a little longer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'm being rude, but I hate it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now it doesn't work at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like serving me stuff that I'm like, what the hell is this?
[SPEAKER_00]: How could you have thought this is what I was looking for?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's I find it depressing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is so Jimmy I I'm telling you it's like I'm realizing how much I was using it to maintain a connection to the fabric of humanity of seeing and interacting with now I think like fifty percent of the things I'm seeing on most social media is bots.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even think I'm interacting with people like these are bots so it's like a
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really disorienting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like a ship unmoored drifting us out to see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well said, and the thing is, we're in this business.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you imagine the people who aren't in the business who don't understand how all this stuff is fake?
[SPEAKER_02]: And how can I say, I will read you, this, this was one hour ago, Todd Furman, who you shut out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, shut out, gambling expert.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's been on the pot.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he quoted something.
[SPEAKER_02]: His tweet was our country is completely fucked.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I go, okay, why?
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me see what's going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he quoted this thing and said,
[SPEAKER_02]: Thirty-six percent of Americans would choose to get financial advice from social media over traditional financial advisors.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thirty-six percent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Redumed.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's over.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have also, we've just the, the, to compound all of this and then we can put a nice little apocalyptic bow on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have incentivized, yes, people to be, um, untrueful.
[SPEAKER_00]: in pursuit of views and clicks and money.
[SPEAKER_00]: We allowed that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were like, well, got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, they do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what maximizes profit instead of going like, hey, maybe maximizing profit isn't always number.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't always allow that to be the number one goal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we push back on that and go, your number one goal should not be maximizing profit profit is fine, but it's the maximizing is the issue, because that's where you cut out all the things that are supposed to matter more, because all that matters is the money.
[SPEAKER_00]: We do that in every single industry that drive me nuts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know you're not allowed to say this, but how about like some social responsibility, too, like paying people to lie just seems.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can we maybe?
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody cares.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take a mistake right, I guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: How about do you ever come across those TikToks?
[SPEAKER_02]: This infuriates me when you're scrolling and like it'll be like a four minute TikTok and it'll be like it really has like the scary music.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's trying to scare the shit out of you and it'll be like the secret about sign filled that you never knew and you watch the whole four minutes and they never tell it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They never tell it a secret.
[SPEAKER_00]: You watch the whole four minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where we offer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll swipe with my finger to get to know what I'll do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll hit the comments.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we like everything sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything is great and everything sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything is as good as it's ever been and everything is as bad as it could possibly be.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say it's a it's a bad time for everything to suck because you're doing very well with casuals which we have to talk about on serious exam so like it's so you know it's one of these interesting things where it's serious I'm a long time subscriber but now they're in like the podcast business as well as the live radio business people find it very confusing let me just say
[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to ask about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So people think like you're on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they go, what channels is on?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I go, oh, we'll see, it's not on a channel.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can get it wherever you get your podcasts.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they say, can I watch on YouTube?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I go, well, not now, because that's a new thing that we didn't negotiate for in the contract.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know people think that if you're recording video, you just post the video.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't work like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You gotta sync it up with the audio.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you edit the audio, you also have to edit the video.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it would take too long.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's a whole thing we don't have a team for.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't have video.
[SPEAKER_00]: But now that's where everybody's listening to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, serious is in a little bit of a predicament there with the video because it's a pay service.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like I know this from like listening to how it's starting, listening to Chris Russo, like Howard will post two or three minutes clips, Russo doesn't post anything because your goal, you know, series ones people pay for this subscription.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you put everything on YouTube for free, that defeats the point of the prescription.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this subscription.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a kind of tough deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: But
[SPEAKER_02]: You have casuals on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and it's very hard these days to come up with a podcast concept that hasn't been done before, but you did, because the whole theme of your podcast is, is for it's the casual sports fan and the name, casuals.
[SPEAKER_02]: What made you think of that or decide to do that or want to give it to that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I think the last time I spoke to you, I asked why you don't have a pod and you were being very deliberate about doing something you really wanted to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's what look, I think whenever I make anything, it takes me a minute to get it to where I'm like, this is exactly what I want it to be and I don't know if casuals is there yet though I'm enjoying it and having a great time making it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a work in progress, but the concept for it, because this is where I struggle is just taking that first step and starting it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm always like, let me make sure I get it perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'll make it.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is me going like, no, hit the ground running because I took some time off from working.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I needed to get out of my house.
[SPEAKER_00]: The concept of casuals was like in my time off from being in sports, like embedded in sports.
[SPEAKER_00]: but still reconnecting to myself as a fan who watches sports all the time and talking with people about sports.
[SPEAKER_00]: I realize like sometimes, and this isn't everything and I'm not trying to, I feel bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to criticize all sports media.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love sports media.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is a bad sport to me down there.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can be a little insular or like very good at talking to the audience we already have.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just think that at a time when
[SPEAKER_00]: Politics and all of that is in a very scary place, no matter what side of whatever you're on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sports are a place where you can go, this is what people used to always argue, keep the stick to sports.
[SPEAKER_00]: They would always say sports is an escape.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying I agree with those people, but if there was something else you could put your emotions into, or you could distract yourself with, you could just like go and get like a gathering place, is how I see sports.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a barrier of entry to people who aren't already die hard sports fans who don't know the references that we make within sports who don't speak necessarily the language of sports that you speak when you've been in it that close to it for that long.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted to make a space where it was like, hey, even if you don't think you like sports.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not sitting over here breaking down the defense.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about it culturally.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we don't judge you.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you say, I don't know what that is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes sports can be very like you need to know everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Women have been making this job for years, women in sports.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that like in order to get in, we had to pass some sort of a test to prove that we actually liked sports.
[SPEAKER_00]: The point of casual is like, there's no test.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can just come in.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if it turns out you know nothing, we don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're here because you're interested.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're here because you're curious.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're here because you love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're here because the culture around sports.
[SPEAKER_00]: that brings in people from every possible type of different background, cultural, ethnic, political, any of it doesn't matter when you get to sports.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I guess, it was like, four and five minutes, I feel like the whole pod.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the point of casuals was like, it's four everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk to everybody and to really put the entertainment part of it first.
[SPEAKER_00]: so that it is less about knowing and passing some sort of a test and more like understanding how to enjoy sports as much as people who enjoy sports like myself do.
[SPEAKER_02]: So give me an example of like maybe a story or something in sports that happens where you see it and you're like, oh, that would be perfect for casuals.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we were talking about the, okay, that's not really answering your question.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was answering a question.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna say like, when we talked about the finals, and we were trying to set the history of like, I think it was like, what, the Pacers Nick series, so not the finals right before the finals.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were discussing their history and then Malice at the Palace came up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we have a producer on our show, but she's also like the heart of what we do.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, her name is Isabella.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she didn't, not didn't like sports.
[SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't anti sports, but she wasn't a sports fan when we started this podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when we bump into, we brought up Malice at the Palace and Isabella will say, like, what is that?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we get to go, oh my god, watch this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we get to show her the video.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then if you're, I imagine, like, if you're at home,
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going, oh, I don't know about this either.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the existence of Isabella makes you feel included still.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's we're not talking over you.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not making fun of you that you have, you don't know what that is.
[SPEAKER_00]: We just go like, wow, to see this with fresh eyes must be so cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's show it to her.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't really answer your question, but that's like, approach that we that is like is bringing people in.
[SPEAKER_02]: You said that you feel like the pot is not there yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a work in progress.
[SPEAKER_02]: What ultimately do you want to see it as where you would say it's there?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think once we have more segments, like once it's become more, you know, in past podcasts that I've done, we make it and then bump into stuff that we're like, oh, that's a repeatable bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's a repeatable bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: The rhythm of this one is different.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think remote work changed a lot of this kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: My producers that I work the closest with live in, like, North Carolina.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's not as easy, I don't have as much of like a hands-on everybody together team.
[SPEAKER_00]: And figuring out like guest stuff, booking guests is, I'm sure you know, just really not my favorite part of the job.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so involved and complicated.
[SPEAKER_02]: the single worst part of the job.
[SPEAKER_00]: Truly, truly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like you have to work around people's schedules and you don't want to impose and you don't want to ask your friends too often so that they're like, hey, please stop always asking me to be in your podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just all these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you also want the guest to be effective.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want it to do what you want it to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think like we'll after a couple bit a little bit more of like doing this and really finding what we're trying to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think then we'll start to go, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what's Tuesday's show look like and what is Thursday's show look like?
[SPEAKER_00]: What are the differences?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the similarities?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the overarching?
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to do the long-term stuff while you're doing the short-term stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're figuring it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in terms of people I work with that I love, thumbs up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Company that we're working with that's a good partner, thumbs up.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the main important parts of the foundation have been laid and now we just get to build a house.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So do you have a booker?
[SPEAKER_00]: We, I mean, have a producer who does the booking.
[SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like we, you know, we talk, create, we have the meetings about who and what we're looking for.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I don't, I said in the negotiations to me, I said,
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, I know there's a lot to get to.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will not text my friends to ask them to be on this podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: I will not be sending text messages to my friends asking them to be on this podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if I know them, you will go through their people to get them on the podcast because that's what I don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, but don't you, but don't you have some friends who you can go directly?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if there's like a cancellation or if there's like a thing that I'm like, oh my God, we've been texting about this all week.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come do it on the podcast with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't want them to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, after this meeting, can you reach out to Mina and go like Junior?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because then it's like I feel like a transactional friendship.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like protecting my friendships.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got that for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always,
[SPEAKER_02]: I will, you know, I have a couple of go-to's.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when I ask them, I ask that, most of the time when I ask them, it's because it's like, hey, if you want to come on like, oh, this happened and this is funny, like last week for instance, Schrager basically demanded he come on to talk about the Billy Joldock.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like I want to present it as people as if you want to do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you don't, I will not be offended, but I don't think anybody believes you when you say, if you don't want to do this, I won't be offended.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's the problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that is the thing I say all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, just an ask.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I know same.
[SPEAKER_02]: So serious has been good.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have let you do your thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, you know, yeah, you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you do it at the serious studios?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so we were doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had a Bryant Park studio that they got during the pandemic.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was old Stitcher office.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but don't it's okay because now delete it from knowing it because it's that's not happening anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: So while moving to twelve twenty one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's in the next month, I think actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're in the process to be right across the street from there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I miss that area.
[SPEAKER_00]: You do there's no chance you do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you why I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because when we were in that area, I could walk there from Penn Station when I would commute in from Long Island.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then we moved all the way downtown by World Trade.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there was no walking.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why, and I do feel I hated that area downtown in the financial district.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's time to get to.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It sounds off because you have to walk through time square and the rock, the trees over there during Christmas time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Christmas time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a nightmare.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a beautiful nightmare, a beautiful, I did like packed with people who don't know how to walk nightmare.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're in a rush, I tell her it's miss that rock center you are at nightmare.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do feel like a rush.
[SPEAKER_02]: What I liked about it was I felt like from where that office was on fifteenth and seventh, it was easy to get places.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a lot of subways around.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what I liked about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there was a
[SPEAKER_02]: The Delphorsco's right across the street, so that was good too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Still there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love a Delphorsco's.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you, so do you feel like it's important to be in the studio to do this because everyone now podcast from home it seems.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know and this might just be me and I'm happy to in years from now look back at this and go.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's one of those things that I was wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I listen to how I feel and how I feel is like I need to go to win office.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to get up, get dressed.
[SPEAKER_00]: get ready, leave the house, perform the job, come home.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably the product of the way that the last few years of my life event.
[SPEAKER_00]: I spent a lot of time at home and I love being at home.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's my favorite thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I have to go to work because I don't want to infect home.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want it to bleed over too much because then when I'm home, I'll feel like I got to work all of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm at work.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where I do my work and this is where I sit and that's not good for me mentally.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I even though my producers are remote, I go to work to do the work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's Tuesdays and Thursdays.
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw something, I don't want to put you on the spot, but I'll put you on the spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I am a very big, serious exam listener.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I do know that Steven A Smith is going to start there in September on the Magdog channel.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's on from one to three.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the great Adam shine is on that channel from nine to twelve.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love Adam shine.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a great guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: We love a tough week, a couple weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to say love to Adam shine.
[SPEAKER_02]: one of the good guys in this business.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that means there is an opening from twelve to one on that channel.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't say Jimmy, would that interest you in any way shape or form or would live radio five days a week not interest.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to put you in this on the spot at all, but I was saying, would you want to do a live show?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because we've known you as a podcast at garbage time, but like this would be live.
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_02]: Would that appeal to you?
[SPEAKER_00]: So a week or two, three.
[SPEAKER_00]: times a flat circle.
[SPEAKER_00]: A couple weeks ago, we did a live show for that hour on Mad Dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: We called it casuals live.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like an event.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I told our podcast listeners
[SPEAKER_00]: We've been trying to figure out how to do live call ins.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did a podcast called I think it's called we're here to help where they do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you've seen clips where they take live calls.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you would be great with call.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would be right up.
[SPEAKER_00]: that I was like, hey, can we figure out how to do this on the podcast?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it just so happened, we also got asked to do this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, well, radio, if there's one thing it has nailed down is like live colors.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to work through how we do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do it every day.
[SPEAKER_00]: especially sports radio.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, let's do it casuals live.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it'll just be like, hey, mad dog listeners, I know this may be weird for you because there's no way you identify with the word casual.
[SPEAKER_00]: But here's who I am.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what we do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And over the next hour for the next five days, our fans are gonna call in and we're just gonna kind of do our thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was so, I was so worried that it was gonna just be typical sports radio listeners being like, what is this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is this get this out of here?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't so fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was surprised by how much fun I had doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, to I guess answer the question that you said you weren't going to make me answer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm certainly more open to the idea right now than I was a couple weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's still a lot of things that we'd have to figure out if it were to be something I'd want to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I said, I think it's like, yeah, like one hour, you take calls, little bridge between shine and Steven A. I think that's like a cool little.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's not the usual, the other difficult thing I've kind of bumped into while doing casuals.
[SPEAKER_00]: the gravitational pull of covering sports the way it's always been covered is so much stronger than you realize like you start to try to do it and you're like we're just going to talk about it this way and then all of a sudden you wake up and you're like I'm analyzing it the same way that they would on TV like it's a very
[SPEAKER_00]: tempting thing to fall into the routine and the rhythm of covering it that you're used to and I think even with the casuals live radio that we did it did a little bit like we still did the like this is the monologue I guess part and then this is the but I think that there's something to the breaking of form and the inviting of a different type of a listener that I find really intriguing and that I think at least from what I've heard back from how that week went from fans and also from you know
[SPEAKER_00]: people that work around us is that it was a good that they found it at least pretty interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: So who knows?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'll be listening.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me ask you a couple of sports-related, news-related things here.
[SPEAKER_02]: It felt to me as an outsider.
[SPEAKER_02]: You became part of the whole Bellachec poplatory thing because you were sitting there while Pablo's basically saying that the girlfriend is
[SPEAKER_02]: a piece of work, let's just say.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you feel like you were caught up in that, like, were you shrapnel from that whole thing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and then I know there's a whole thing with Pablo and Bill Simmons, and it irritated me that Pablo went on with Bill Simmons, and they acted like he were best friends, but that's a whole other thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, where are the real sports media feuds these days?
[SPEAKER_02]: Every sports media feuds every sports media feuds is like, fuck you, fuck you, okay, I'll go in your pocket.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll go in your pocket, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what was that whole thing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I love Pablo.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will never say a disparaging word about Pablo Torre.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was I think he does great work.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's an investigative journalist in a way that I would be stressed out by.
[SPEAKER_00]: He makes phone calls.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would never make two and shout out.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just cashed in.
[SPEAKER_00]: So congratulations to Pablo and keep continuing to pay that man.
[SPEAKER_00]: um he it was very stressful to have the news be broken to you first for an audience.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was like I was constantly aware of like
[SPEAKER_00]: try to also receive this critically like you would if you were viewing it because the last thing you want is if somebody breaking news to you and you're not being questioning you're just going like wow cool and then somebody is like hey how did you not think of this angle and you're like oh shit I didn't mean to discredit a woman on a sports podcast
[SPEAKER_00]: simply because of who she's date like I so I was it was a constant try to sell that this is a bit like react to what's happening but also the stress of like am I gonna find out something crazy about this woman I never knew he would put the documents in front of us turned over and be like don't touch those till we get to that part like what point is this torture that I'm like can't I know before we go in so I know what I'm gonna
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can see that being the anxiety really best.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's stressful and also listen as a Patriots fan.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know he's not my coach anymore, but like this is the guy whose name was at the top of the, he was the greatest coach of all time for my team, which was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was like a bummer to see it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't want him to be something that makes me uncomfortable.
[SPEAKER_00]: But also if he, if that's what it is, then that's what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you gotta do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when, when you're sitting there,
[SPEAKER_02]: And he finally sort of reveals the documents and gets into the nitty gritty of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you thinking at that point?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be as big as it became because that was like an enormous story for a couple of days.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's tough to say, because I feel like the reaction to it has always been.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of those things where people go, who cares?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why do we care?
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, yeah, okay, but there's seven, a hundred and seventy of you commenting that, which then is like clearly, there's a bit of people are interested in this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's people who are curious about why people aren't interested in this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine it would be a big story.
[SPEAKER_00]: who cares is such a disingenuous reaction because if any eighty-year-old celebrity dates a twenty-year-old there's going to be like there's going to be you do the rounding like that that is crazy it's no and you're not really I guess if we're rounding one up we should round them both up but if an eighty-year-old dated a thirty-year-old I still would be like that like a grown person's difference right that is fifty years different
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, no one thinks like they should go to jail or anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, but there is something called the Court of Public Opinion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So in the Court of Public Opinion, you take out the name Bill Belichick and put in Joe Schmo and he's seventy five and he's dating someone who's twenty five or whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: People are going to be like, well, that's bizarre.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I felt like with this story, like if you said, oh, that's bizarre.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're the bad person.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're a freak.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're engaging in tabloid journalism.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, no, we're just asking like,
[SPEAKER_00]: How did you guys meet?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on here?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is she at all this stuff?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is this?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I also think, you know, I would assume that for all the Patriots fans who were mad,
[SPEAKER_02]: If it was another seventy five-year-old NFL coach dating a twenty five-year-old, they would have been all into this story.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, give me a break.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's where the worst demands was coming from.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where that beef happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: From the podcast, he had not really listened to the entire episode and was just reacting to the clips.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think was getting a little defensive about, you know, great coach.
[SPEAKER_02]: If it was a if it was a different NFL coach who's seventy five dating and twenty five real bill would be making jokes probably yeah, yeah, but I don't know I haven't talked about.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was something else with that Bella check story I will say I don't think I don't like about.
[SPEAKER_02]: the whole thing with him and all that publicity it got is it sort of like like him coaching North Carolina is such a fascinating story this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's just how are they going to do how is he going to be in college like it really is.
[SPEAKER_02]: going to be wild to see that bill ballad check in North Carolina like it's just so bizarre.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand I mean just what's funny is that the number one difference people always discuss between a college coach and a professional coach is that it's the recruiting is like a big part of it and before he started
[SPEAKER_00]: dating a much, much younger woman.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have been like, I can't really picture Bella check talking to a younger person.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then as soon as he started but coaching in college, he's also dating a younger, so it's like you can't even
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, the whole thing is completely antithetical to what I thought about him as a guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know he never really let us in.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, that in itself tells us something and it wasn't this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, I'm just, it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take it sales are doing well though.
[SPEAKER_00]: I heard didn't they like sell out?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really owe it to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And everyone will watch that first game.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited to see what like the opposing teams fans do in regard to it, because college football fans have never been quiet about whatever your discretion is when they're trying to heckle you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you love signs?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was funny when I was I was like, all right, what would like the big sports stories right now if I could maybe like touch on with Katie that would be I mean the biggest sports media stories like this ESPN NFL deal, but I just covered that with John Oren and a separate interview.
[SPEAKER_00]: Give me the three tops because I didn't read about it because I don't understand, but like it's all very hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, next season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, good.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's good at least.
[SPEAKER_02]: And no one has NF the the I think the biggest
[SPEAKER_02]: piece of information in there is that the NFL will still produce, run and control red zone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you a red zone person?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like every one I feel like just, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Penn's going to have nothing to do with red zone except people can access the red zone channel on the new ESPN app that will come out and for now, I feel like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't you feel like eventually they'll know why would they continue to have studios and run things and pay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they're keeping the studios and because, well, like, they just moved right to LA, didn't they?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're still going to have the NFL network that ESPN will be in charge of.
[SPEAKER_02]: ESPN will be in charge of the NFL network.
[SPEAKER_02]: The NFL, the NFL, they clearly didn't want to give up red zone, which makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Consider.
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they shouldn't because my fear is that gambling is going to make its way into red zone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, that's wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Strong, strongly.
[SPEAKER_02]: That won't happen because the NFL is the one who he has been has no creative, no producing, no nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, good.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: But shouldn't gambling be part of reds.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll know the whole reason the channel exists is because of gambling and fame not true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hard to see me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe fantasy is gambling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fantasy is gambling.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, but you'll excuse me because right up until gambling was legal.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were arguing in court that it wasn't and I was making that argument so I could continue playing fantasy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I know now that that's immediately invalidated and they turned around and said we're gambling company.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but
[SPEAKER_00]: It technique, you don't have to put money on fantasy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fantasy, can everyone be?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I do within like a friend group.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're gambling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's not you're degenerate.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not every down what's going to happen with this next play.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like if you turn, if red zone, if they want to make a gambling red zone, that's like fully leans into what it could be, go for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But do not, but keep this one separate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because there are just some people, I think, who want to know all the action that happens without having to have six TVs.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's this weird thing online, where everyone's like, get another screen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, what the fuck?
[SPEAKER_00]: How many, sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, how many screens is a human supposed to be expected to have to follow sports?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be, but I don't want to have to be like checking used to be Twitter, but God knows what I would even do now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to have to feel like I'm missing something and red zone always makes you feel like listen, throw this on, Scott Hanson's not going to let you miss a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: anything that you need to know even if it's a goofy catch that happened or oh look at this somebody did this I think this could be catch the year they'll show you even no matter where it is on the field I know the name is red zone but it's not always just they keep you here's everything happening in all these games that are happening at the same time it's perfect not be on more opposite ends of the spectrum I don't watch red zone
[SPEAKER_02]: I get Sunday ticket and I watch eight games at once.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're at how with your eyes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been doing it for like eight games in a month.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been doing it for almost thirty years.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know how to do it because here's how you do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You you start by focusing on the eight games.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're trying to see which then which games close then when there's a game that's not close you weed it out if later in this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now what if something happens in the game you weed it out?
[SPEAKER_00]: What if somebody?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll see it eventually.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I can't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to see it first.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love that you think red zone doesn't exist strictly for gambling and fantasy.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my favorite.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not that I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that I think it doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying it coming gambling getting its fucking hands on every single little piece of it is starting to annoy me because it's making me feel like I'm missing out on part of sports and I don't ever want to be bullied into gambling.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what give me the anti-gambling stance?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it that?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not anti-gambling, Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm fine with people gambling.
[SPEAKER_00]: When it comes to the actual product being consumed, from sitting down to watch a baseball game, I should not feel like if I don't do this in-game parlay, I'm missing out.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a goal?
[SPEAKER_00]: in a hockey game during the actual call of the goal.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had just mentioned a parlay of some sort and the goal being scored I think would have made that parlay hit and they set it in the official game call of the goal and that to me was like if I didn't gamble that would make me go oh man if I had put my money on that thing will the next thing I see I'll put my money on that and then now I'm gambling
[SPEAKER_00]: And then now I'm interacting with the sport that way and I just feel like that we shouldn't sport shouldn't be a pipeline to sports gambling.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you can keep them separate.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you can be like you can do that in its legal and clearly there's no regulation of how often they can talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like just keep it out of the actual game because that's going to get really muddy really quickly.
[SPEAKER_02]: See, and I want it in the game, but only for the NFL.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if a team is, you know, a four point favorite, and they give up a touchdown, I want the announcer to be like, oh, well, you know, like, out Michael's does it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I need some acknowledgment, but I only really need it in football.
[SPEAKER_00]: And here's the thing I went out Michael's used to do like clearly be annoyed that like of a garbage time touchdown ruined whatever over on that yeah that's funny to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't that it's when there's an on screen graphic that's like this and this and this will pay out this and then at the bottom in the tiniest little print it's like
[SPEAKER_00]: You could call this number if it's bad, but do it and then they have the announcers do the read of the go to fandool.com and you're like Jesus.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get you there because I actually, I mean, I'm into Jennifer and but I always think they used to, they did this on T and T all the time, which is ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like in the middle of the game, they cut to Charles Barkley, any Smith and studio and Charles was like, Oh, I'm going to bet then my
[SPEAKER_00]: And they make it look like analysis.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, okay, what's this?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is blurry.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm confused by this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm an informed viewer with like, I've worked in this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have like media literacy, but like I don't assume that everybody watching a basketball game does.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's just, I don't know, maybe I sound like a, get off my lawn.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's just like gambling immediately took over all of the second to hood.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can't say I'm bummed by it, but I get where you're coming from.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, when gambling your house away, Jimmy, and you come calling to me, I was.
[SPEAKER_02]: I only bet football.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm disciplined.
[SPEAKER_02]: I only bet football.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been clean.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been clean since, like, you know, March.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did bet the whole fame game though.
[SPEAKER_02]: I won't be going to watch it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You had the over.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had the over.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what he said.
[SPEAKER_02]: So while I was looking around for like the top sports stories,
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: The top sports right now is that these poor WMBA players keep having Dildo's for now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew you were gonna say it.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you like?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't listen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you feel like the fact that now we've made a big deal about this?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's gonna happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe this would stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think no one's gonna say anything about a green Dildo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, here's what I'm talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's what I want now.
[SPEAKER_02]: If this is gonna be a thing, like this would be perfect for Pablo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can I get an investigation in the person who does the throwing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, somebody got arrested.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do they have it at home?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are they going to the store that day to buy it?
[SPEAKER_02]: How do they get it in the stadium?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it in the stadium is very funny because if it's a woman, there's a one particular way I could think of.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could sneak it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just know if I try to bring a bottle of like pulling spring into a stadium.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a cold red.
[SPEAKER_02]: They find it right away.
[SPEAKER_02]: No matter where you hide it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Get rid of the water.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not allowed to have the water.
[SPEAKER_00]: But somehow this is a little thick, but so I know some people who could do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we'll put that on.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, I want the, like, and like, when are we going to throw it on the court?
[SPEAKER_02]: How are we going to throw it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we've got, and we don't want to hit anybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's very bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want anybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Third one they did.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: That person should be.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the critical mass of Dildo's is is three or four.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we are reaching the point where it's like, okay, isn't funny anymore?
[SPEAKER_00]: How is it possible that this many projectile objects, let's delete the funny part, how many projectile objects are able to be thrown on the court?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is now a safety issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know that's no fun and I'm ruining the Dildo party.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if we got to six Dildos, it wouldn't still be funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just cutting it off while it's still on.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's time to cut the shit with the dildos.
[SPEAKER_00]: It can't be at every game.
[SPEAKER_00]: This can't be the reason you're coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can't be encouraging people to continue to grow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Reasoning you're coming is pretty bad phrasing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's just like this is a this is a it's how are we allowed this wouldn't fly at any other sport.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't throw things on the field.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they used to throw them on the at the bills games.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was like a one-off.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a one-off.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was like, yeah, once or twice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I do think like these discussions may be encouraging.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, well, maybe we're doing a bad thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know who I blame for it?
[SPEAKER_02]: I blame the cameraman for the first one because he, he's zeroed in on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: If he didn't do that or she didn't do that, then that we, I don't think it would have been.
[SPEAKER_02]: But once that person decided, camera shot, zoom in, I think that's really that lit the fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could see that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could see the argument being made.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: It happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: It builds games and like, then it went away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And why don't we?
[SPEAKER_02]: That was it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why do I have a feeling we're going to be seeing this now all the time?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the WMBA is just right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a real
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yeah, what's the word for when everybody gathers there to like be nuts?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there are obviously the diehard fans and the new fans who love the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's this other group of people on either side of like fiercely defending and fiercely attacking that just, it's like where they go to fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's this like very, you know, it's just, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a pressure cooker.
[SPEAKER_00]: It always feels like it's about to pop off.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's discussions around WMK.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'll have.
[SPEAKER_02]: But people also don't like, there is, like you said, you hit it on the nail and the head, there is like a sort of time limit on the joke.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, like that cold play thing after two hours, I was ready to hang myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, yeah, it went around.
[SPEAKER_00]: It sure did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you can't, like two weeks from now, people still can't be throwing things on the ground.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got to grow up.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's how, how, how we did it next.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next, do the next thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, I would like the thought process of the person doing it examines.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, if we could sit down for an interview, I would certainly listen to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Casuals.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, me or Jimmy, your choice.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you need to talk.
[SPEAKER_00]: You take it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tuesdays and Thursdays on serious XM casuals.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're a dildo thriller.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just, well, if you are the dildo thrower, yeah, come to the interview.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not endorsing you, but we would like to talk to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate you coming on as always.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad you're enjoying casuals, continued success.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good luck with the looking.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know it's a bitch.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just stands.
[SPEAKER_02]: It really does.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, Katie Nolan, Siri Sexam, casuals, Tuesdays and Thursdays, guests, galore.
[SPEAKER_00]: All of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe we'll see you somewhere else too.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Judging me now, as he does every week for our train of thoughts, segment from WFA and Radio in New York, SNYTV in New York.
[SPEAKER_02]: My buddy, Salacada, Sal.
[SPEAKER_02]: How are we doing today?
[SPEAKER_03]: Good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like you and I have talked more recently more often than we have as of late.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it feels like I've been talking me quite a bit, but it's still fun to talk.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: My meltdown is still continuing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, well, one of the things we did not get to discuss and I was less weak.
[SPEAKER_02]: You wanted to get into the Billy Joel dock.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I did a half hour on it with Schreger and I got some tweets from people who found it amusing that you got shut out of the Billy Joel.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we'll talk about it this week.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, people still people are still watching it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um,
[SPEAKER_02]: Before we get to it though, a couple of sports things to get into here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to just relay this story.
[SPEAKER_02]: I went through it with you with my tweet with the Yankees because I have been at the forefront for like five years of Brian Cashman's got to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the responses always, they're in the playoffs every year.
[SPEAKER_02]: They got to the World Series last year.
[SPEAKER_02]: My response is he has a three hundred million dollar
[SPEAKER_02]: payroll.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's easy to cover up all of the mistakes he made.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've never developed a starting pitcher in their lives since they're in the petted basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the New York media is in the tank firm and gives them a free pass because he gives them quotes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bye.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now the tables now and everyone wants Aaron Boone's head on a platter.
[SPEAKER_02]: When Aaron Boone, now I have said, for Aaron Boone's entire tenure that firing him would be useless because it's the computer that runs the Yankees.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think though it's time for him to go because it's enough for him as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's a whole other issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, Cashman acquires these three relievers at the trade deadline.
[SPEAKER_02]: the media of course just i mean going what a job by cashman oh you guys still want cashman fired oh how got how dare you guys batch cashman he preferred the rockies and pirates for two relievers and got the other guy from the giants okay fine the guys who came over beddorn from the pirates and
[SPEAKER_02]: Bird from the Rockies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those two guys have never once pitched in one meaningful Major League Baseball game in their life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those teams have never in player phrases, they never in the postseason, they play in front of six people in Pittsburgh and coming here to start closing games against the red socks in Houston, wild car around.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a whole, that they have never navigated that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So how anyone could sit there and bow at the feet of cashmen, I don't understand.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you've got to wait and see how it plays out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I tweeted all this on Friday the day after the trade deadline.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, of course, people were like, everyone thinks those guys are good relievers.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're no pay attention to baseball.
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I deleted the tweet because I said, I'm not going to sit here on a Friday and go bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, a lot of people agreed it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it took about nine, twelve, about fourteen hours for everything I say to come true because all three guys got lit up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Friday night.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then I was live that I deleted the tweet.
[SPEAKER_02]: But one, one of my followers saved the tweet, sent it back to me and said, this is the greatest tweet of all time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now here we are, it's Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_02]: And one of those guys who catchment acquired got option to the miners.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yet the New York media just eyes closed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it is amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: The free pass Brian Cashman gets it makes me sick.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Boom's got to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: They got to change the way they do everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's my rant as a Yankee fan.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's not all of the New York media.
[SPEAKER_03]: I literally just got off the air after doing four hours.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then if you count yesterday, it's eight hours.
[SPEAKER_03]: My ears are ringing as we speak.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the same.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the same thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like for me, I never gave cash from the flowers for the trade.
[SPEAKER_03]: And matter of fact, people I was fighting with BTs, like, oh, they got good, relieves your under control.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like being under control is the priority as opposed to being good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, guess what?
[SPEAKER_03]: Jake Bird is, okay, you send them down.
[SPEAKER_03]: Great.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got them through twenty twenty eight.
[SPEAKER_03]: So congratulations.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it has nothing to do with being good or bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've never pitched in a meaningful, major league baseball games in their life.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what it has to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then they get put in the pressure cooker.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember last year, I said on this podcast with you, Luke Weaver is going to blow a save in the post season.
[SPEAKER_02]: The first first game, boom, we blew it with relievers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unless you're like Mariano Rivera or Trevor Hoffman or something like that, you have no idea what these guys are going to do when they're in the pressure cooker and then they come from Pittsburgh in Colorado.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, and I will say, it's not just the New York media, it's the national media.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Ken Rosenthal had a tweet that was so cringe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't think it, I shouldn't say Ken Rosenthal had the tweet.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was his, whatever his web show is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Valteratory.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, whatever that is.
[SPEAKER_02]: What Brian Cashman orchestrated at this deadline was a toward a force.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ken, he offered the Rockies and Pirates.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, it's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: All because Cashman gives these guys quote, it's just, it's, it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And what does he order to force?
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, like, what does that even mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: That means like a, like an unbelievable performance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like James Gandolfini was a tour de force in the sopranos would be a way to use that sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Michael Jordan was a tour de force in the NBA finals.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Brian Cashman was not ever a tour de force.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: The tour de force was before Cashman was there when it was Bob Watson and Gene Michael.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were the tour de force.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, and Boons got to go because it's enough now because he was there to manage the clubhouse and the media.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now we can't manage the media.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you might as well make that change.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, but but it's not going to change you like my only counter would be to your earlier point.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not going to change anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he but he he's clearly like it's enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it goes back to the old parts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, was it parcels or Riley you got to change the voice?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was Riley Riley.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hard knocks starts, started Tuesday and you're going to watch it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Buffalo bills.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking forward to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to, now I don't know if I'm going to watch it live, but it's going to be tough to navigate with the baseball games, but yes, I'm, I'm actually, it's like on my to do, I'm making up obviously we take this
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, early here, I'm going to make a point to watch that one of theirs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody watches anything live.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so sad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that just happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was supposed to react then.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if in theory, I know we're doing a podcast that's taped, but like if people don't watch things live, then how are you supposed to react next day?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, oh, y'all get to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whether it's the Billy Joel thing, whether it's the hard, not like, you know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's what was interesting about the Billy Joldok.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like nobody watched it that first weekend.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seemed like it got a lot of pickup after.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, listen, I didn't watch it live either.
[SPEAKER_02]: It aired on two Fridays.
[SPEAKER_02]: I ended up watching them both on the Sundays of each weekend.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the only other thing I wanted to mention from the sports world, well, two things.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that six point two million people watch the Hall of Fame game with the Chargers and the Lions is, do you know that was more people than watch the Met's Dodgers LCS game six last year?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I saw, like, because they're on, they were on what he called, FS one.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the, the stranglehold of the NFL on this country is,
[SPEAKER_02]: at a level that is absolutely insane.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the reason is, and obviously you're more informed to speak on this than I am, I'm just assuming the reason is because there is no sport that dominates nationally.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: The way the NFL does like even in local markets, people care more about the league than they do.
[SPEAKER_03]: the local teams.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like so.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So even in New York, like they've been telling us, you know, for years, I got to do more Justin Johnson.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, guys, Justin times suck like the NFL should be talked about with every team.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the way it's talked about even if everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're in New York, I think, because it's just my pity.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you did something on like who's going to go to the Super Bowl from who will be in the AFC title game?
[SPEAKER_02]: between the bills, the chiefs, the bangles.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that would do just as well as any jet talk.
[SPEAKER_02]: People care about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So just for this is from sportsmediawatch.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do a phenomenal job with the rating stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Six point two million watch Chargers Lions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, the whole thing game is like the most unwatchable game of the season.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, it was interesting last vacuum was someone to drink, because trade lands played a lot for the Chargers, so at least at the name.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, just by comparison, Met's Dodge's NLCS Game Six on FS-I, six point two million, Thunder Nuggets, Game Seven, six point three four million.
[SPEAKER_02]: It outtrue thirty five of the forty three major league baseball postseason games last October and sixty four eighty three NBA playoff games this past spring.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is now again.
[SPEAKER_02]: When everyone talks about this they leave out.
[SPEAKER_02]: the gambling factor.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you don't think a big part of that number comes from gambling, even for the Hall of Fame game, you know, I had the over, started off my season one and
[SPEAKER_03]: You sick bastard the other I had the other so I wanted to mention that they they I think in large part due to fantasy gambling what everyone say they have dominated the national sport landscape where it transcends football fans and their teams that they've moved for it's bigger than that
[SPEAKER_02]: The fantasy stuff is so enormous.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just people don't understand how much of a part that plays.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, it gives everybody into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: Male female kid adult doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody's in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Best decision I ever made was stopping fantasy football.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I wrote this last Friday and I want to reiterate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They NBC did a great job with that whole of fame game because they had Brent Musberger.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did a little interview at Maria Taylor before the game and then he was in the booth.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Maria Taylor did a great job because I had forgotten Brent and Maria Taylor work together on the SEC network at ESPN.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they had a history there and she really was very
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, respectful and and really nice kind of and Brent had nice words to say about her and then she let Brent sort of throw it to commercial and intro the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you saw that clip, I said, you know, with with all these NFL pre game shows like eight billion NFL pre game shows out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no reason why one of them can't hire Brett to do a Brent to voice over either the, like if you're CBS, have them intro the games you have on your slate that day or same thing for Fox or just have Brent come on and read the lines for each game because at the end of that intro, he, you know, he's like, it's coming up, it's the all of a game, it's the Chargers, it's the Lions, and oh yes Detroit favorite by what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like NFL Network, ESPN, like someone needs to get Brent on board just to do like a five minute
[SPEAKER_02]: put him on zoom, put him on tape it during the week, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I had one and when I wrote the column, I got a lot of really good feedback.
[SPEAKER_02]: One person was like, well, I'm concerned about Brent's age and that was someone who didn't read the column because I had I specifically said, I don't want Brent on a pregame show for three hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to do a five minute voiceover either intro the games or do the lines.
[SPEAKER_02]: His voice, he still has the voice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Alright, I think you're getting caught up in the nostalgia though.
[SPEAKER_03]: I also wonder how much that would get in the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like for me, I love Brent, but I would like to see more Chris Furman.
[SPEAKER_03]: But is that still the right answer?
[SPEAKER_03]: I know you're in the same wheelhouse too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if I'm, if I'm ever gonna watch an NFL highlight a recap, I won't Chris Furman and Tom Jackson.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like definitely Chris Furman.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you just, I feel like you just made my put because Berman still does the fastest three minutes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think at least there's at least there's an outlet for him to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So can I get bread and fifth three minutes on somewhere on NFL Network, CBS, Fox, some would put them in, put it, you know, CBS has a pre-game show that our guy Adam Shine hosts, ESPN.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no reason why one of these shows can't do five minutes with Brent every Sunday.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where can I access that Berman post game?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they do, they do in the Monday night game, but is there one that they could, that is available like Sunday night?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they do a full NFL prime time, him and Buggermick Farlin.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's on ESPN Plus.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so if I have ESPN Plus, I could watch that after the four clock games are done.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, like during the four clocks are over.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, see, that may, I know I didn't do it last year and I heard snippets.
[SPEAKER_03]: That may get me to make the plunge and buy ESPN plus just because I want a nice concise recap of the day's action.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't want anybody to give it to me other than Chris Burman.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have Hulu or Disney plus?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is a bundle.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Hulu, Disney plus an ESPN plus.
[SPEAKER_02]: You get the three of them, like, twelve dollars a month.
[SPEAKER_03]: So then I might even have it and I don't know about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you have both?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you have both, then I'm pretty sure you have, if you don't, all you have to do is add it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's whatever you're paying, it doesn't need plus and hulu.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you have ESPN plus, like I pay for all three, but it's one, I think it's twelve, ninety nine, a thirteen, ninety nine, something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually the one good deal that's out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: In terms of pricing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But of course, when in September it looks like,
[SPEAKER_02]: ESPN's going to have their direct to consumer, which will be thirty dollars a month.
[SPEAKER_02]: Huh?
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's, that's, that will be if you don't have cable.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you have, if you don't have any cable or any base package, you can now just get an ESPN.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Subscription for thirty dollars a month.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where the rejoicing show is going to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they just made this deal with NFL media where they bought them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the red zone could be on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's going to be interesting to see how that does.
[SPEAKER_03]: But if I have YouTube TV, I don't have to worry about exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: OK.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, but you have to have ESPN plus.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm saying to watch some of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: OK.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, what else would else put else?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mentioned last week, we didn't have a ton of time that I had gotten my first ever root canal.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I got people waiting me up wanting to hear about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not really much to say, here's what I have to say about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I really just, I don't want to get into a whole thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, it is mind-boggling.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, listen, there are so many issues with this country.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like obviously, like, this country's done.
[SPEAKER_02]: The medical system in this country, like if you have it emergency on a weekend, you are screwed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like does any dentists work on a weekend?
[SPEAKER_02]: I went to an actual dental urgent care who did the X-ray and said I needed the root canal, but they're like, oh, our specialist feels that isn't here.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to wait till Monday.
[SPEAKER_02]: So my issue with the root canal was I was in Massive Pain Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Got the root canal Monday.
[SPEAKER_02]: The root canal is fine, because they know me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the pain before.
[SPEAKER_02]: It really wasn't a big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I was in pain.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got it Monday.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was in pain Monday and Tuesday by Wednesday.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did it give you anything though to alleviate the pain while you had a weight?
[SPEAKER_02]: But I took while I when I went to the urgent case that I took a lead eleven motron yesterday and I would just shake in the head.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, oh, what are you going to do there?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're supposed to take like six max in a day.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to say one tooth can cause like all that pain.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm good now.
[SPEAKER_02]: See what the next thing will be my back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to get a stimulator.
[SPEAKER_02]: If anyone has had any experience with a stimulator, it's like the size of like a matchbook.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that what it's called a matchbook like matches that you light like that size yeah yeah book and matches it's that size it's a stimulator they're going to put it in my back.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if anyone has had that experience let me know because uh there's issues going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um I'm over my issues with the two eyes thirdaries and the other stuff I have to deal with them all right now, but now.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I went to the back doctor Monday and he wants to do this stimuli thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what they do is they do a trial first for week with a stimulator is outside of you back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then if it works and you feel relief, then they give you this is a minor procedure where they put it inside your back.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I said, OK, well, when it's on the outside of my back, like, cannot get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what do I do about showering?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, oh, you can't shower for a week, which I find so repulsive.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not even funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm like, wait a second.
[SPEAKER_02]: That means I can't go in the pool.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to wait till September, and this summer is over, and then I'll deal with this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Plus more.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd rather be laid up during football, because I'm going to be in the chair anyway for Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Thursday, night, whatever night.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that work out better that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: So at least enjoy the last three weeks of the summer, which God, when it was August first, I got so excited.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just the weather down that this weather been perfect for you, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not too hot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, like, yeah, the last three days.
[SPEAKER_02]: Last week, it was a hundred degrees three days.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's now, it's almost like September, whether or not actually this is where it's, if it sits here for a couple of weeks or a month, I take it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was eighty eight degrees yesterday.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not football other.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just get these three weeks over with.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's been going on with you this week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anything we need to know before we talk about Billy's y'all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, there was a apparently so Saturday night.
[SPEAKER_03]: I woke up at two thirty in the morning.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know sometimes like.
[SPEAKER_03]: you you something that happens in your dream is happening in reality and like it wished you up kind of yeah it was a smell like a burning just nasty kind of smell and I woke up at two thirty more like what the hell was this smell in your dreamer in reality
[SPEAKER_03]: It was in reality, but it was in my dream.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then when I woke up, I realized, oh, shit, this is in reality.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I panicked and ran downstairs and made sure like the toaster oven wasn't on or the mic, whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: I went downstairs, checked the other stuff, looking around.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like it didn't smell like fire, but like some kind of off like burning smell.
[SPEAKER_03]: I go outside the smells there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then I'm like, oh, what do we have?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, one of those, you know, the fires from Canada coming in again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was keeping up with the news.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm impressed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, look at online.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't see anything so I call the cops again for the second time.
[SPEAKER_03]: I told you to call the cops.
[SPEAKER_02]: Stop the clock.
[SPEAKER_02]: Time out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got the play.
[SPEAKER_02]: You smelled something and called the cops.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was the whole house.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it's like electrical problems or what, but yes, I smelled, you know, you love calling the cops.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what to do to thirty of the morning.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yes, I had to call the cops for the snake thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to know, I want to know exactly what you said.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, did you call nine one one?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I called my one one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what exactly did you say?
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, there's a smell that's in my entire house and the backyard and I don't know what is going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you gotten into reports of that?
[SPEAKER_03]: They said, no, you know, it's the local police.
[SPEAKER_03]: They said, no, we haven't heard anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, well, I don't know what.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's like, okay, well, we'll send somebody over there.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll send the fire department over there.
[SPEAKER_03]: A cop can't.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he starts sniffing around.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, he's in the house and
[SPEAKER_03]: And after you go in the backyard in the front, I'm like, you don't smell that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, no, don't smell it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then finally he said that it's a scum.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, in the house?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, outside the house.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm, I mean, he's like, oh, it's a smell of a scunk.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, all right, well, so now what?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, what do we do with it?
[SPEAKER_03]: We got it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, he's like, dude, are you from around here?
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't say dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: He said are you from around here?
[SPEAKER_03]: He was very serious and stern.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you must not be, he must not be from around here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, well, I moved here a year ago, but I'm from around.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, you're in the woods, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, is this normal?
[SPEAKER_03]: And he said, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I've never in my life.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to be forty six years old.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never in my life ever heard or had the entire house smelling like it's done.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've driven past it on parkways, plenty of times.
[SPEAKER_03]: Never in my home.
[SPEAKER_03]: So now.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I have so many freaking questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you're like Carmelo at the bear in the backyard.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've now called the cops twice in the last month.
[SPEAKER_02]: Once first snake, and once it first scunk.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did he, but did he, did he see a skunk or did he just go off the smell?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, he's just with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I swear, that's what he's doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Outside, and then he comes down by, let me think inside it's more potent in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he just says, so it's a scum.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now listen, I've driven pest scunks as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the stench is off the charts.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I will say this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So are you you're telling me, if you have a scum, let's say in your backyard, you're going to smell it from your upstairs bedroom.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dude, the whole house.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that was my question.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, yes, this is normal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Basically, like it'll go you just have to live with it and go away.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now I'm thinking is this thing in my house?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it in my house?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I just wanted the basement and then like I had no choice.
[SPEAKER_03]: He laughs and I was like, okay, thanks for your time.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so mad now like I'm in dad.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't go to sleep.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm still smelling it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, where is your wife throughout all this path out?
[SPEAKER_03]: God forbid you're boring in a different room and she's next to now, like, get the hell out of here.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're a pig.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what the scones burning smells burning down the house.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm choking.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's like, you wake me up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got to go back to see what she was.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's not impacted by it all.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the cops stay.
[SPEAKER_02]: She stays in bed.
[SPEAKER_02]: In bed.
[SPEAKER_03]: I woke her up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I woke her up to smell and she was like, yeah, I smell it and turns back around.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, didn't even care at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now so I'm in bed.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's going to sleep and I'm looking up like the cops know what they're talking about as far as it's going because I thought fire department was coming.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I really trust the cop to just walk in and do the sniff test as to what this is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought I don't fire a logical thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: What I don't like about it is, is the skunk in your backyard?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it in your neighbor's backyard?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it in the front?
[SPEAKER_02]: But where is the skunk?
[SPEAKER_03]: Did no, but after reading it, it could be, it could have sprayed.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think what happened is it was in my backyard, sprayed for whatever reason near the HVAC units.
[SPEAKER_03]: and that got it into the house.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the reason why I say that now is because after going to sleep and panicking and thinking like what's going on, and the smell will still there in the morning, but then I open some windows, put the fan on, and it started to dissipate throughout the course of the day.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it took about a half a day to get to go away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And your wife is there.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's looking at me like, like, I'm the one with the problem, like big deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, you don't sell it?
[SPEAKER_03]: The entire house smells like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't smell the scunk?
[SPEAKER_02]: That is unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: True story.
[SPEAKER_02]: What the cop must have thought you were just in bumbling idiot.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've from around here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm new in Jersey, but he's like, you live in the mountains.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just come back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come back to Long Island already.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dude, that's basically the, the summary is like, I dealt with a snake.
[SPEAKER_03]: I dealt with a skunk.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been warned of bears.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm dealing with earthquakes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like none of this shit ever happened normal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Come back to Long Island.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jimmy, burgers, killings, traffic.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure, all that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're also, we're, we went from a little snake to the skunk.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm telling you, it's going to be this apprentice.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have the bear in your backyards.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want no part of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what I would do if that's the case.
[SPEAKER_03]: And me, well, that's what I'm thinking.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm out there at two, three in the morning with Maddox on the leash waiting for the cop to show up.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, shit, this isn't like, this was like bare time right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Two, thirty in the morning.
[SPEAKER_03]: I shouldn't be out here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And your wife's sleeping.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sleeping.
[SPEAKER_03]: All of the smells she detects and gets grossed out by within seconds.
[SPEAKER_03]: This, she's what?
[SPEAKER_02]: What did she say the next morning when you guys wake up and the smell was still there?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it wasn't as bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: She just kind of moved on from it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Open a couple windows in a way we went.
[SPEAKER_03]: She I think she was a little like unaware of like if it was a bit of mean the skunk was in the attic that it mean it was in the house.
[SPEAKER_03]: But once it started to go away then we just realized that that's like it's powerful of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, as we wrap this up, all I have to say is, I can't wait for a full weekend of preseason NFL football and to see what animal South has issues with this week.
[SPEAKER_03]: Unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unbelievable, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I need this, this snake, this gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is going on in South?
[SPEAKER_02]: South.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good luck.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am rooting for the hat trick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get another animal in there this week.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll hear about it next week.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's hope that's not the case.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Take it easy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Talk to you later.
[SPEAKER_02]: My many thanks to John O'Ran, my many thanks to Katie Nolan, my thanks to Salacata, my thanks to you for listening, appreciated as always.
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