[SPEAKER_02]: Will hello white socks fans and welcome to another edition of the future socks podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: My name is Ian that's going to be as always Mr. James Fox.
[SPEAKER_02]: How are you James?
[SPEAKER_00]: Good man.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's up?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we got our like show program.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm already here.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like in the in the comment section.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: No doubt.
[SPEAKER_02]: Holy cow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, so we had the trade deadline come up this last week and I know I speak for
[SPEAKER_02]: probably most white socks fans when you say that it was underwhelming your thoughts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just kind of thought they do a little bit more obviously.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think there's reasons for like no mic talkman.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we can get into that if you want, there's reasons for no Louis Robert.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, some of the other guys, like the relievers, if there was any interest at all, I think, you know, like I understand that your Steven Wilson's and Brandon Isherts and these guys like have control, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you really want him on next year's team necessarily you know what I mean I guess just not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Something where it's like that that huge of a deal like if you could get two guys you like in the low levels and trade one of those guys and then call up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Peyton Palette or Wickham and Gonzalez instead or one of these, I mean, oh, and lights up right now and they've added like four relievers this week to Charlotte's roster and like obviously like none of those guys are as interesting as
[SPEAKER_00]: some of the guys that we've been kind of wanting to see all year.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, the guy understand like if there's literally nothing coming in return for Michael E. Taylor and you want to just keep them like that's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I think that we can get into talking in a minute, but in Robert for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's the Robert thing is very controversial.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like I've kind of gone back and forth on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I can clarify my stance now, you know, in a minute, but
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, this is hard for people to understand, especially old baseball writers.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the deals that did happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Before the deadline, the white socks traded Austin Slater for gauge zeal, who I saw in person last night in Winston Salem.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get into that a minute, but then the other one, which was like,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and the fact that this is the only other one is it's kind of kind of, you know, obviously we're going to get into the individuals here in a moment, but Adrian Houser got traded to the race for Curtis Meade, David, and people's two relievers who are in Charlotte now.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they just brought Curtis Meade up because Miguel Vargas went to the I.L.
[SPEAKER_02]: and with what was that oblique?
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, they pitched an inning each yesterday.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did not get a chance to, you know, go through and watch it because I, you know, again, I am in North Carolina and the whole streaming and highlights thing is kind of taking a little bit of a backseat to actually going to games, which, you know, shocking.
[SPEAKER_02]: But your thoughts on the,
[SPEAKER_02]: would start with the Austin Slayer trade, what were your thoughts on that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I mean, I liked both of those deals, which is like one of the reasons why I kind of wanted to see them make another one, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think like gets is made some bad trades.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we can say underwhelming trades, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you and I are both kind of drew Thorpe guys, but the rest of that package, like, doesn't look very good, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And the bummer one wasn't great, but like,
[SPEAKER_00]: the ones that they've made recently with their basically full front office right with like they didn't have all these guys in place before right you didn't ever I am fuller you didn't have you know David Keller whose technically the international director but not really he's like one of the top lieutenant right so like I think they've done interesting stuff this year
[SPEAKER_00]: which is why I kind of thought we'd see Steven Wilson for something or Brandon, I heard for something or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the two trades that they made were fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if gauge deals ever gonna pitch in the big leagues, but you traded Austin Slater.
[SPEAKER_00]: You traded a one million dollar short side platoon outfield or who's really good in that role, by the way, for a guy that's gonna be in the top twenty five year system and you can get more into that specific player, obviously.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, yeah, like you got something useful for a guy that like wasn't going to be here next year.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Adrian, how's her part of it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to know what else was on the table.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like supposedly they were working with the Cubs.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had heard from somebody pretty solid that like one of the names being talked about from the Cubs is Jordan Wicks and the Cubs declined to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that was like a deal breaker for the socks and they preferred Curtis meat or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of like
[SPEAKER_00]: that trade right because like if you can't get a top prospect and like your options are a couple of guys from Abel or you know or like top like former top fifty prospect who failed who has less than four hundred bets in the big leagues like I think I'd rather go for that right I've always kind of like Curtis made and we'll see right I think he needs runway I think
[SPEAKER_00]: you know similar to Miguel Vargas where he was on the Dodgers meet was on the race playing first playing second playing third playing short being not that important right where you're just kind of
[SPEAKER_00]: filling in in a bunch of different spots.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he probably needs some more runway than that.
[SPEAKER_00]: He underwent a swing change.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been pretty good since June.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope we see him here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I liked that one.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other two pictures aren't prospects, but, you know, I mean, it's a pitching org, like I wouldn't be surprised if we see Ben Peoples at some point in the big leagues, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, that doesn't mean that he needs to be a top-thirty guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are just two guys who they think and help them at Charlotte and you add them to
[SPEAKER_00]: the pile of, I guess, relief pitching depth, because even the other guy, David, is, I don't know if they're going to start him or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: He started in the past.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to bring this up that Uncle Ted brings up here, says that the Yankees have the best pitching lab around.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if they have the best one, but they use Eric Cressy, who also worked with Tana McDougal, which if you had noticed, Tana McDougal has been absolutely shoving here.
[SPEAKER_02]: this year and that comes, you know, after working with Cressy and, you know, I watch Gage Seal yesterday kind of reminded me of Riley Gowans, who came from the bummer trade and basically the only thing that's still here, you know, that's worth actually, I guess he is literally the only thing that's still here from that Aaron bummer trade, just the VLO's a little bit lower than
[SPEAKER_02]: Then goans, you know, but the, you know, the movement on the pitch is looks nice and everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there is that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the Yankees always have prospects to trade.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they take a ton of college pitching and they usually make those guys better.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they trade them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have a bunch of rule five guys every year because of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They also always have catchers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like one of their focuses on the international market is they just sign up on your catchers and they're usually pretty good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they use one who was like a pop up prospect this year who's going to probably be a top one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hunter guy, Flores.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was the main return for Bednar to Pittsburgh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, they traded like four prospects or four catchers, I think, and I'll hold a bunch of, you know, pictures like similarly ranked to Zeal, and they basically remade their entire bullpen doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I, you know, moving to the the Curtis meat trade, I mean, I mean,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, since he got traded over to the white socks, he's four for seven with like a fifteen hundred OPS.
[SPEAKER_02]: So clearly they traded for J. Brooks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so here's the issue I have.
[SPEAKER_00]: The one issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think he has to play second base.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like does that mean Colson has to play third base in my draft has to play short like do you just kind of put them all at a bunch of different spots and figure it out like I don't really know you know I feel like the socks aren't in a position where they can turn down potential upside so like it is what it is right but it's still
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of weird that I don't like I don't think he can play third like as a regular because his arms like not that great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tampa was playing at first.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to have a power play first base so that but I think but so his best opportunity to be a regular.
[SPEAKER_00]: is second.
[SPEAKER_00]: But so is my draw.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so is, you know, maybe a prospect that, you know, is in double a killing it right now that we're going to put maybe talk about later.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they just have all these second base.
[SPEAKER_00]: But so, you know, here's another one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's weird, you know, we went from complaining that the white socks didn't have any up the middle talent.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now we have log jam in the system.
[SPEAKER_02]: And on the Major League roster with all this middle of the field talent, you know, I don't really know what to what to make of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And eventually, you know, end up having to, you know, get rid of some of these guys, but I don't know, you obviously don't want to get rid of them from nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think what do you go?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, you can't lose him for now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, it's it's pretty crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, remember when like they tried to fill second base or somebody knew every year and the stat went around that they did, they didn't have like a positive war, second baseman, like since like a Gucci or so it was like a Gucci until one younger Sanchez year where he was like one and a half war because of Defa.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but he still is like
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like a one and a half or season, right, but that was like their best second bases and since like that he'd do a Gucci.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I think my draft will be I haven't looked, but my draft's got to be like a positive, you know, like two war players, something on the season, but yeah, now they got a whole bunch of advice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, my draft's out right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's not a DL, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so maybe that's your team.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of feel like they would have the album already, but it is the white socks and they do weird stuff with the injured list.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like they're on the west coast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously Vargas is on the IL and it's an oblique.
[SPEAKER_00]: So who knows when we're going to see him again.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they chose to go with Curtis to meet over Tim Alco.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you could have given Tim Alco for space every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: We just got put on a rehab assignment though two days ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, but he's been on the IL for twenty two days.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's I think right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's technically could return.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if they felt like he was like ready.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess so you want to hammer out like some we have some stuff to do, but not a ton like we could we had a lot of questions in here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know you want to get into like what he didn't do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess we kind of didn't talk about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Louise Robert.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, the one guy that everybody thought that for sure would bring back something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: At least, I mean, I guess I would think that how is it would bring back something as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, Robert doesn't get traded.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we've heard stories about
[SPEAKER_02]: GM's looking at him as a short term rental and the white socks valiant valuing him as a, you know, a couple of years.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, obligation right use.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I they don't end up making a deal with anybody don't find any any suitors that.
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, valued him the same way and he's still here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So your thoughts on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think what happened makes a lot of sense to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just like, I'm like, if you go look at my Twitter about like Luis Robert, like, I'm like, was all over the place for like a week, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because like I have tweets that say like trade this guy for whatever you can get, like whatever, but there was like a huge piece of like context of like I didn't have.
[SPEAKER_00]: like I just like didn't think it was even in option to pick up the option, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So if that's like on the table and your Chris gets like we would have killed him if they took a sadric moments return.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the the Orioles traded sadric moments to the mats for three minor league relief pitchers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if that was the Robert trade, like we're fine with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we are.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a lot of people like, oh, get rid of him and get one of, like, is twenty million too much?
[SPEAKER_00]: You probably, but is it too much for you?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like the their only commitment is Andrew Ben in tenty, seventeen million dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you pick up Robert your payrolls at thirty seven million with two players.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody else's arbor pre-art.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jeff Passen was on six, seventy with any park in the other day when he did the radio thong thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so Passen explained it away as like, look, it's a two million dollar buy out anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: He thinks that Robert unencumbered on the open market when it got a one year deal for fifteen million.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if it's twenty, who cares?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like in your the white socks, like in the position they're in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now look, I don't know what the white socks are planning because he's definitely not going to be on the twenty twenty eight Chicago white socks, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So is this you hope he keeps doing what he's doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: You pick up the option and then you try to trade him this winter.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they think these garbage offers that they were getting right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: They could just do that at next year's deadline.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know like when Chris gets says like oh, they really value him and like that's true, but he's also like not going to be here the next time they're really good, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is still like, hey, we can't trade him for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're like not going to the thing that I found not like immediately is guys like Bob night and Gale and Bruce Levine who are like, oh, that was stupid because you can't pick up the option and it's like
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they're very clearly picking up the option.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, Chris gets like basically said it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, yes, we're planning on him being here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and if we weren't, like, maybe we would have acted differently.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, that's code for like, if you had to trade him, they would have dumped him for, you know, kind of what I was expecting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, not very much, but they clearly didn't have to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they don't want to.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm kind of glad they didn't if they don't have to.
[SPEAKER_02]: My favorite tweet.
[SPEAKER_02]: from the last couple of days, pretty much all of Twitter, but the one made by you that said, if Chris gets, if the white socks do not pick up the option, Chris gets, should be fired.
[SPEAKER_02]: He should be.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not disagreeing with you, but the responses that that we got, you know, like I got,
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, about probably about an hour or so last night.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I've heard, so this is what I've heard, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard people say like, oh, well, you get to the end of the year and you figure it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: That decision had to be made Thursday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you picking it up?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes or no?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you pick it up?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you willing to pick it up?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: If that answers yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then don't trade him.
[SPEAKER_00]: If that answers no, then you have to trade him for whatever your crappy offer is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So once they decided to not do that, borrowing like him getting hit by a bus or like some sort of like long term injury that's going to hurt twenty six, like you got to pick that thing up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they don't have a choice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're picking it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that was pretty much, you know, I
[SPEAKER_02]: saw your opinion and understood it immediately that you know if they just are going to lose him for nothing despite despite you know what how he finishes the season it really doesn't matter because you pretty much you know tied your wagon to him because you didn't trade him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, could you imagine now, it's like, oh, yeah, we'll just decline it and get nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, the three relievers that the Met's got for, or that the Orioles got for centric moans are better than nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, yeah, not particularly good, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And my guess is after seeing those trades, that's like what he was being valued at.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm sorry, like, but like, I understand, I know Robert shortcomings.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we know them better than any, like, you know, not us two, but like, us as like the White Talks fan, like, collective.
[SPEAKER_00]: like enjoy Harrison Bader.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's not Louis Robert.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Louis Robert could win you a playoff series, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Harrison Bader's fine, you know, good defense, you know, whatever, but like, you know, Louis Robert as the fifth best player in the Philly's lineup, I think could have been awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: But one of the things you said, like the big sticking point with this whole thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: teams that wanted him were treating him as like a rental like half year rental and the whites are trying to trade him like a guy with two and a half years of control and it was it was just never going to line up and in hindsight all the reports are pretty funny about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're agreed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to think if there's a
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there anything else that we want to go to about this about the trade deadline?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so I think, so I think, talkman isn't so you could probably kind of trade a Mike talkman, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: What could you have gotten?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like something in between, maybe like a Curtis Mead and a gauge seal for Mike talkman, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing that Chris gets said that made the most sense to me is like, since he's arm eligible, you just don't have to make the decision right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So at the end of the year, right, five days after the World Series, you have to pick up Louis Roberts' option.
[SPEAKER_00]: with my talk when you don't have to do any.
[SPEAKER_00]: The tender deadlines like in like late November, mid to late November.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even then you can trade him before the tender deadline to like say Houston loves him, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You can trade him to Houston and then they can tender him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you just you have time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've also heard like just that my talkman didn't want to go anywhere and one of the reasons why he didn't want to go anywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: And people have said that he has like a sick kid.
[SPEAKER_00]: His kid is
[SPEAKER_00]: fine from what I understand but like she was born and he's talked about this I think now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um to have like a cleft palate so there's like all sorts of like medical stuff and they know like the doctors here and he's from Palatine this family so he just said like hey like I'd rather not go right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look like if Chris gets there's been an offer to top one hundred prospect for my talkman like I think he's still what it's right even though my talkman wants to stay here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, Mike, I got to do what I got to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, if it's a couple of guys that later on this week, you and I are trying to fit in like the back end of a top three list like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you can probably get that in the off season.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, my thoughts is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they like, and they like his leadership and the stuff that he's like provided this year to.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You get a professional at bat.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, his legs have kind of have left him at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: The speed's not very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't move that well in the outfield.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, as you saw with that Colson Montgomery play at third base that could have saved the game the other night, he hit his cut-off man, which, you know, seems to be like a plague in Major League baseball guys that just don't make the
[SPEAKER_02]: correct baseball play when they're supposed to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They try and play hero ball and end up throwing the ball all over the place, you know, so it's nice to see a professional baseball player and the fact that he's highly regarded just as a human being in the clubhouse and the younger guys tend to gravitate toward him.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's great, you know, like that's just icing on the kick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know what's like one thing that's like super lame that I've always hated because I'm like a nerd.
[SPEAKER_00]: I used to love waver trades.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that was like the coolest.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this guy's on waivers and clear now he can be to or like, hey, this team claimed him like you have two days to make like I thought those things were awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was usually like you would never get anything that great return.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just more like, hey, this is awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the you can make like I think
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, like you garbage was like one of the best waiver trades ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, or like one of the biggest adding for lander was to the first time he got traded like from Detroit.
[SPEAKER_00]: The socks have a lot of guys right now that they could like errands of all he right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, you could trade him a week from now, but you're not allowed to.
[SPEAKER_00]: He looks awesome right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know if that's like the cat's lab, but like his curve was disgusting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, and it kind of stinks that you can't deal him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he's just going to kind of be wasting away on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why it's not seem, and I know they need innings or whatever, and maybe try to bring him back or who knows, right, but
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a guy that you wish you could have moved, but it just seemed like they needed a couple more weeks to like turn him into like his fully formed version here, basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alex Rios.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, so he, so what happened with Alex Rios, they could still do actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Alex Rios was like put on waivers and the socks claimed him and the blue days and the blue days were like, okay, yeah, take the contract.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like in theory, that could still happen, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you went and you found like your equivalent guy, like, you know, like say like Carlos Carrillo, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he just went to Houston, like if the twins were to put Carlos Carrillo on waivers and somebody claimed him, like they could have him for nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you just, you just can't make a trade anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, speaking of Savali, you know, like as far as this curveball, one thing I was worried about is because the, uh, the, not this start, but the last start,
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a weird start time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And half of the field was in shadow and the other half of the field was not because of the weird starting time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was wondering if his curve ball looking so good and getting so many whiffs was because of that, but because you see him again, and that wasn't an issue at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was still good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm good.
[SPEAKER_02]: He looks pretty decent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can't complain.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was, so there was another, we can wrap up her Robert, like, so there was, yeah, oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we need to talk about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that needs to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there was a question from baseball tossed about Robert asking about qualifying offer.
[SPEAKER_00]: So here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think that's going to happen because of how much it would be.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, like, essentially, the white socks could decline Robert's option for two million dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then offer him a qualifying offer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if he declines it and signs elsewhere, the socks would get a pick after the comp be round for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is if he accepts it, I think the qualifying offers twenty three million dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you'd be paying him effectively twenty five million dollars next year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which I don't think they'll do.
[SPEAKER_02]: My draft played second today.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking he was he was injured for a few days.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, already.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had hit on the hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what was.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was mentioned here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can we DFA Josh Rojas please?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, where do you so where do you stand on that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I know that one of the things that they really do like about Josh Rojas is the clubhouse leadership.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I now I'm not saying that it wouldn't necessarily be
[SPEAKER_02]: reasons I have him around and just not play him, but at that point, like, do you just get rid of him?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: My guess is they want to play him a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then put him on waivers and see if anybody will like pick up the rest of the contract like before you would defa basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you defa, like I think you're you're you can't trade him right so.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're basically like on the hook for the contract, but if somebody wants him like maybe somebody bad, I don't think anybody's gonna.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he shouldn't play anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like whether he's on the team or not, I think is a different story.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I don't think he needs to be like starting ever, but they've played him pretty consistently, like against right hand at pitching.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you have mead up here and my draw, you know, and Vargas come back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so Vargas is being out for a little bit like that might have like helped draw a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but I mean, even like, look, if they want to bring Elco back,
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what are your options there?
[SPEAKER_00]: Your options are going to be either send Curtis Mead back down probably or DFA Joshua loss.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it might come to a head here at some point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's kind of that about that time period, you know, usually after the trade deadline, the guys that you don't want are usually the first guys to go and then you start bringing up your young guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: So
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's some pictures too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I know like Tyler Alexander is like done good work for them, but like I don't need to see that guy again.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, right, like there's just like no reason for like he's a veteran free agent at the end of the year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you can make the argument with Stephen Wilson and Brandon Isher and some of these other guys like they have years of control.
[SPEAKER_00]: The socks are gonna tender them contracts.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, even like Tyler Gilbert and Cam Booster, those guys
[SPEAKER_00]: Like in theory, we'll be back on the forty man next year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tyler Alexander and I know like Alta Villa just went on the IL, but both of those two guys and he and Altaville has been fine, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just would rather see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what, you know, like it just he's not going to be on next year's socks to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like what are what are we doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: You can make the same Michael Taylor argument.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not like they're, you know, they have a, they he's not blocking anybody, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like I don't, like I don't need to see Michael Taylor like playing that off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as far as like Michael Taylor, the person goes, I'd like him a lot seems like a great dude and the guy's in the clubhouse love him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like that's the thing is I think that they've done a much better job this time around of
[SPEAKER_02]: picking up guys that are good for a clubhouse culture as opposed to the guys that we've seen in the past where it seems like we they amassed you know like four or five guys that other teams had deemed a problem in the clubhouse and brought them all together and put them in the same place.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you what do you make of like this?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's just been described as like Mike talkman had a team meeting before like the Pittsburgh series and was basically like, you know, we've preached patients and that's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like we've we've taken too many fastballs swing at fastballs and they're what a eleven and five cents or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're just like murdering the baseball.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean,
[SPEAKER_02]: This, I mean, this is just another thing, you know, is that and I know that, you know, venable is supposedly also one of those guys that said that, you know, we need to be hitting fast balls more and I mean, I don't know why this needs to be said that when somebody throws something that's more or less straight at you, you hit it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I mean, I don't know why they were hunting
[SPEAKER_02]: for sliders or whatever the heck they were doing beforehand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, supposedly, like they were like top five in the league and swing decisions.
[SPEAKER_00]: But had a terrible offense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like something happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and it, and it could be as simple as like, there's a bunch of kids on this team that like weren't on last year's team.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't care what happened last year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is like not a cloud hanging over them because they don't know that they're supposed to be terrible, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So some of it's that, but it was, and some of it is look like you played Pittsburgh and teams keep starting lefties against you for some reason, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that, that's, that's aided part of it, but they were, I mean, they will completely different.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, the team just looks way more locked in and it looks like they're not grasping it straws all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they're kind of going up there with a purpose.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, in our chat that we have, you know, we're talking about Ryan Fuller, you know, helping Colson Montgomery and his time in Arizona comes back here and he's got what seven home runs.
[SPEAKER_02]: eight home runs seven home runs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, seven with today's yeah, and and there's there's some stuff there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Colson's OB piece three or five, right, but you know, one thirty WRC plus because isolated powers like something insane, right, and his babbits like two sixty or two seventies.
[SPEAKER_00]: So
[SPEAKER_00]: Who do you think it's fuller or like somebody in his department or like a big league hitting coach that you know that brings up the torpedo bad idea like how does that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it makes sense like now that you're getting completely jammed inside use this bat, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but then it like it's worked so far.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I kind of
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and they did it with Jacob Gonzalez as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, he doesn't have as long a leverage though, but I mean, you know, he doesn't, but he, but if you, if you look at his, his, you know, body wise, his arms and his legs are long and his torso's not really all that big.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, look, I get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just kind of one of those things.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's, that's why these guys in, you know, when they brought it up, when it was a new thing at the beginning of the year this year,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it was guys talking about the fact that they couldn't get to the pitch on the inside as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they were getting busted in on the on the label.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they moved the sweet spot down towards the label and it helped them hit a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, if that's, so if that's what's going to help him do what he needs to do until they finally just decide to stop pitching him in all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you know, that's like that thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I kind of
[SPEAKER_02]: Speaking on this, you know, it kind of makes me wonder, you know, like Jose Brayue for, you know, like, there was just a period of time where pictures were like, you know, what we can't put it anywhere middle or out against Jose Brayue because he's going to murder us.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they started jamming him in all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this one answer, like, you know, months of the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he'd finally make an adjustment that he'd start hitting again after his, you know, one flunk slumber, whatever it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wonder what would have happened if he was around for the torpedo bat, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I bet there's a lot of guys like, you know, I mean, how do you think Dan please act feels like looking at like the money that some of these like terrible relievers are making.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, it's the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, why didn't I play that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is this size?
[SPEAKER_01]: Something here I wanted to bring up.
[SPEAKER_01]: What does it look like?
[SPEAKER_02]: Baseball says it doesn't need to see jokes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that was just, you know, like they wanted a like venable likes righty lefty matchups.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like I think he wanted a a slater report.
[SPEAKER_00]: They got a lot of left handed hitting out filters.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that was mostly just, you know, if a lefty starts like you might see jokes or, you know, there's just certain situations where
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like talkman and then, like all these guys, they just like don't want them facing lefties necessarily and venables job is to win baseball game.
[SPEAKER_02]: It says the monster monster.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That one's bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you think of the big smooth?
[SPEAKER_00]: Fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that one's that one's the the angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they're they're played by play team.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I thought that was a funny one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the big smooth is interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to hire some Wayne Randas.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the play by play guy for the angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's from here.
[SPEAKER_00]: What sucks guy?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was wondering why they let him walk.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, do you think John Schryffin and Steve Stone are ever going to work together again?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it seems kind of weird right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just kind of strange.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to tell you, I'd like to have him please act.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's like, you know, like, you get some name pronunciation that are wrong every once in a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: He gets the players that are wrong every once in a while, but that guy, he makes me laugh and he's got life and experience, which is nice as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's been weird because like if stone is there, it's been like Connor.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if it's, you know, like, but it's been please act or Gordon with with Schrift.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's not harmonious up there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe maybe Shriff and Stone had a fight over one of the rolling chairs like the guys in the Detroit play by Playbooth did years ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Vince Rand has the was with the Metson radio and then he got the full-time Angel TV job to answer this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Thorp hasn't started throwing yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's rehabbing, yeah, just stop back in Chicago for the weekend to say hello, and that's why he was here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does he still have the incredible mustache?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I still think your Thorpe's gonna be good, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, you know that change, his change up is disgusting.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I don't know, we'll see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kevin doesn't like damn police act.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, you can't please everybody, I guess, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm not saying it was the last one Kevin.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think chatter is strong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there he said is there chatter that's stone and shrimp and are getting along?
[SPEAKER_00]: Not from anyone I would deemed credible, but yes, just a thought, you know, I mean, if you notice.
[SPEAKER_02]: how this stuff is lining up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes sense that maybe there's an issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: None of the, none of the white socks burner Twitter food accounts have said anything yet, but there's some, there's some stuff out there that they've had some issue, like we'll see, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of thought they'd move on and hire like a real play by play broadcaster when they were good, like anyway, like quietly, like, oh, this guy's here now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely easier to deal with when the team's better.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, no doubt.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so to answer that question, Jamie, I mean, there's probably about.
[SPEAKER_02]: nine or ten guys that are coming back next year.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, we're not talking all major league guys, but like we're talking, you know, throughout the throughout all levels that are going to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you're going to have four been Mason Adams and Kai Bush, like in the big league mix of some sort at some point.
[SPEAKER_00]: One Correll is out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then on the minor league side, like, yeah, Blake Larson's the big one.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'd like to see him get back.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was other, like, Aldrin Batista's supposed to return this year because he had, yeah, he had like a fractured elbow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which I think sometimes ends up being Tommy John and then you miss more time, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Connor McCulloch came back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was good too.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's looked good.
[SPEAKER_02]: He looks like exactly like what Connor McCulloch looked like before.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's that's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of like we suspected on Schulton.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you see that today?
[SPEAKER_00]: So the socks we have did basically kept paying him the whole time.
[SPEAKER_00]: He must be a great dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they took him off the sixty man and and what optioned him because he had options.
[SPEAKER_00]: But today
[SPEAKER_00]: They made two wave systems from the brewers and they deified Charlton's my guess is he clears and just goes to Charlotte, but.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, who knows.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my guess as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's been, you know, he's had some some rough ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: in the last couple of weeks.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what are your thoughts on adding four pictures to the night?
[SPEAKER_00]: And so two of them are prospecti, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: The two guys from the race trade.
[SPEAKER_00]: People says good stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other guys kind of a, like, sinker baller soft toss or type guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then two wave of claims on the brewers are super interesting Brian Hudson, like those guys were in the brewers, Boban last year in a contenders, Boban, and they were good in this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've been kind of bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our guy Dylan like made a good point in our in our group chat just that, um, what is it, Hudson, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Hudson through twenty five percent coders last year and was pretty nasty and he hasn't thrown any this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that's a Walker McKinven not being there change potentially But we'll see an Ian obviously We'll be watching the night's play here again at some point and like we'll see how many colors he throws Yeah, I'm curious.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really want to go on see what see what their pitch mix looks like and see what's going on here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean I will say like I love that
[SPEAKER_02]: Baseball savant is available for AAA, but man not having it in the levels below is super frustrating.
[SPEAKER_02]: Almost the scripting is having different baseballs and those.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there are some guys right now that the socks have that I would love to see that data on like you saw Christian opera in person Yeah, and look anybody can watch that kid and be like this guy's disgusting right like it it like it is but still like having the like what?
[SPEAKER_00]: Matthias like home is doing or even having like this data on on McDougall right now, you know, like
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, it's really important for like, guys at like, Yolbul Rodriguez, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's getting people out in the DSL, but we've heard he's throwing like ninety or ninety one, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's like kind of like Louise Reyes, um, is another, you know, is another guy in the low minors where just, you know, having data would be interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to bring some line up here, uh, that baseball brings up here, said why did the Kaden Connor promo go so under the radar?
[SPEAKER_02]: So they've been doing a thing here and they've done it mostly with catchers and you'll notice you'll see West and Beverly go here.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll see one Gonzalez go here.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll see Colby smelly go here.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll see like you've seen these guys move all around and they've done it a little bit with first base and corner out filters just a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that that's what they're doing with Caden because Caden actually got promoted like two weeks ago to AAA and then he went back and now he's back.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's probably why it went under the radar this time because it happened a couple of weeks ago just briefly for like two days and then he was back.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's why.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Kevin, Kevin had a question just like top twenty prospects who we might see.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I assume that we'd see some bullpen guys, but I don't know that their nest is like, you can see Peyton Palette whenever eerie art day hasn't been very good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, Wickleman we've seen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the best answer is probably still Tanner McDougall.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're going to see him at some point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it in a starting role?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But just with him being real five eligible.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's a big Brian Bannister component of what he does to like get these guys like some work late.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know what the innings limit is on Tanner McDougall, but whatever it is like the last.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fifteen or you know, whatever can be in the big leagues, I would imagine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm convinced.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that'll be fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that'll be fun, man, because we like, even coming into this year, like Ian's watch Tanner McDougle forever, I loved him as a prospect.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we've talked about like shortcomings as strong because he came back from Tommy John and, you know, he'd he'd walked you many guys, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But his stuff was disgusting.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the fact that he's like knocking on the door of the big leagues,
[SPEAKER_00]: is awesome because I think like, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Keith La was the only guy this offseason who, like, basically had him, like, seventh or eighth in the system.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, Keith La listed like six dudes and then was like, oh, the guy most got to talk about Santa McDougall and it was kind of like, just this offhand thing and then McDougall shopped all year.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if they need to see him in Charlotte.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, whatever because some guys they seem to want to do that and some guys they don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, no, he's I think he's definitely the most interesting of the guys that you might see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that sounds about right to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I don't think there's anybody else that I would
[SPEAKER_02]: probably put above him in the guy to make a run this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't see why they would want to see him in Charlotte.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, when you make guys look that dumb in AA, you know, I don't really see really much see a point in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So well, it's only like, if you, I mean, we had Jim Caleson, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Baseball and the automatic strike ball strikes system, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, if he's going to come up this year, he's not going to see that in the big leagues either.
[SPEAKER_00]: So who cares, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So to me, I bring him up straight from AA, let him throw fuzz out of the bullpen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's in the mix for a rotation job in the big leagues, auto spring training next year.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then if he has to start in Charlotte, fine, like that's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's part of your big league team in some capacity at some point in twenty twenty six.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is this is the
[SPEAKER_02]: ultimate question what do you do with all this pitching can never have enough never have enough but at some point you know like you would think that they would like we said this two years ago and then last year
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you end up, you know, leaving into this year, you end up having, you know, a dozen guys go down with with TJ.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, but they've been good at going to find guys who can get you through a minor league season though, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You have your hails Sims.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have all these dudes that they just, and those guys aren't necessarily going to be white socks, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like if prospects go down, like you can find pictures.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look at Birmingham again, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Birmingham is going to try to win another title.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're not loaded with prospects like not by any means, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think one of the like the socks have dialed back.
[SPEAKER_00]: These last two drafts.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not pounding college starters where you don't have places or these guys to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think like, you know, after we're done with our ranking and I hope we're, you know, I'm hoping to have just missed out Monday, August eleven followed by the top thirty we're working on it now.
[SPEAKER_00]: After that, I might try to do like something for myself, which is just like a projection for next year type of thing, just to kind of see the log jam and guys are going to be coming back, but.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, they've taken a lot more hitters.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like, you know, you have five college starters that insert in the Canapolis rotation and guys that aren't ready for wins.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it'll, I think it'll probably work itself out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm guys are going to have to go to the bullpen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we've talked about, like it's just they, they take some of these guys who they think like have a chance to start.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like Seth Keener is a good example, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Seth Keener has struggled.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that guy just converts to relief.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got a lot of arms, but
[SPEAKER_00]: It's better than not having enough arms.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Vince has got one that I want to talk about later.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to talk about that later after we get through the white side.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to do probably the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can do like take away from the trade deadline type thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's three things I want to talk about.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of them here is one that Grimtile brings up.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what happened to Martin Perez?
[SPEAKER_03]: He's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just made a appearance yesterday in Charlotte pitched two point two innings gave up two runs.
[SPEAKER_02]: But for the most part, he looked pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the change up still looks good.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he said he was throwing like, eighty seven.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is ramp up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we went through the throws anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they didn't look any different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do anything different like back to my point then on waiver trades.
[SPEAKER_00]: How would you love to have Aaron Savali and Martin Perez right now to just like send to a content like you don't think there's a contender that would like take one of those guys just to like give their other guys like arrest like those guys are super liable and you can't trade them for anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I don't know why nobody would want something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: to eat their innings as they're, you know, like a top playoff team, like I just don't know why they didn't want to use.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I do think at some point here, it's like Burke, it's going to be like three, four earnings starts here.
[SPEAKER_00]: like these guys are getting close to their limit like you're going to be using like they might do the like Burke was pretty good today right I didn't like I didn't watch today's game.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like they used him as an opener a couple of times now you know so Shane Smith kind of bounce back so you know they do have a five man rotation right now without Paris.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So also this mentioned here and said, yeah, Noah's undergrad got released today.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't look all that good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, not that that should be really all that surprising, but yeah, he got lit up pretty good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's no way that they're going to like they have five starters, plus Perez, plus some other kids, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's no scenario where the center guard was going to be pitching for you outside of trading civilly, trading house or shutting down, you know, like another guy getting hurt like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like eighth or ninth in the chamber here and you're just you're not going to need
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know if he was even that eye.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like unless he came back is like, you know, first three years of his career, no one's in regards, you know, it's pretty much worthless because after that he was injured not any good.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I don't see any, I don't see any.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was has to be the end, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you would think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see any scenario whatsoever that he was a meaningful part of the rotation at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's about Dupino.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just going to bring that up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm talking to seven thrond or out of Rhode Island.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I talked to a couple of guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: I talked to the guys in Winston, canapolis over the last couple of days and
[SPEAKER_02]: Really, they don't know where anybody's going at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: They will find out over the next two days.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We know about what kind of low D's is like the one that we heard rumors about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so apparently cow low D's might be going to Winston.
[SPEAKER_00]: I checked in with a couple guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the, you know, the late round hitters told me he didn't know, but they're ready to go to an affiliate and they only know of like one guy go ahead and out right now, which my guess is loaties.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, look, it, look, it takes a lot of shuffling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, go look at the canapolis and Winston Salem rosters, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to add
[SPEAKER_00]: seven position players.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like somebody has to get released, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not super easy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like a Monday activity, most likely.
[SPEAKER_00]: And hopefully, you know, hopefully we'll hear.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we'll see.
[SPEAKER_02]: So before we get to other teams, let's talk about the draft lottery.
[SPEAKER_02]: And where the white socks are?
[SPEAKER_02]: And they are still in the spot, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was how they're playing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's possible they could get bypassed by at least a couple of teams that are close to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like to me, it's like how many games, like how many games are they realistically gonna win, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know like you're not at home right now, so you can't really share.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like if anybody wants to go to tankathom.com and click on MLB and just look at the position that like the white.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the whites like they're forty two and seventy with a three seventy five win percentage.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the odds then at the number one like the odds would be like basically twenty six percent to land the number one pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Atlanta's right behind them at forty seven and sixty three right so the socks still have seven more losses.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then the brave's do Pittsburgh's forty eight and sixty four the athletics are forty nine and sixty five and then Baltimore's fifty one and like I think like Minnesota.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who so they're fifty two and fifty nine and they're probably going to like crater so Minnesota probably gets up into like the top.
[SPEAKER_00]: five, I just don't know that the socks can fall much further than like three, honestly, because even, but even if the socks go five hundred the rest of the way, you're talking about sixty seven wins.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I would take that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anything that's not a hundred losses, I would take as a move in the right direction and
[SPEAKER_02]: still keep us in our standing, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: But I know that we, like, they were, well, they're, I can't even remember now.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were like, they're like, eleven and four, ten and five, something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And five, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, can they go, they can't go to twenty five and twenty five.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were still the way can they?
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, I guess, maybe they've been playing pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's not really, I mean, their schedule is supposedly when, when the all-star break flipped, they were supposed to have like the third hardest, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: schedule.
[SPEAKER_00]: But how many twins is that?
[SPEAKER_02]: But then after the trade deadline, they reevaluated that whole thing and they went down to twelve.
[SPEAKER_00]: Twelve.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's entirely possible.
[SPEAKER_02]: They could rattle off like, you know, like a bunch of series ones and if they do that, they're just going to stack it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think Arizona and Minnesota are probably the two teams that all
[SPEAKER_00]: like rise up in the, you know, the thing here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oakland, I think is is playing kind of well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Miami's like good kind of, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And the braves, the braves have the braves have nothing to play for.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Alex and Pablo is smart.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they'll probably be terrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's your competition is likely the braves.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the pirates, the hot rumor around baseball is that Ben Cherington's are going to get fired any day now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know how that affects like the pirates on field necessarily.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but that's and then Colorado Washington and who am I missing the angels, none of them really factor in at all because they're, they can't pick him a lottery.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say I don't I just don't really think anybody should be that worried because it's like even if they have the worst record like they could pick six or seven right I would try as best as we can and this is coming for me people are gonna be like stunned right I would just like enjoy your young fun team and like
[SPEAKER_00]: If they win, you know, like, I'm not going to be upset like when they lose, but like being upset when they win is kind of ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_00]: If like these guys are, yeah, no, yeah, if these guys are all like your dudes that are kind of matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, if they've rattled off and got like, seventy wins, I would.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, enjoy it because that means that they're playing well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, obviously, that would be less an ideal for the pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they could still get a top three pick because this thing is crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this lottery's nuts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like happy to share.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, the fact that you can get the seventh pick when being in the worst position, you know, in the best position to get first and still be considered winning in the lottery is ridiculous, but I don't want to get them to that again.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you just in HBO is a sleeper agent.
[SPEAKER_00]: like he ended like his first role like he ended the twins like him not buying the twins just ended the twins.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the funny things I saw like we're gonna get into the trade line a second and then get off here but was like people were complaining and blaming the twins general manager for this the Derek Falvie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Derek Falvie didn't do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like there's always other codement was like dump everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll do what I can, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like imagine being, did you see the prospect return for Carlos Carrera?
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is a picture named, I think, Mike McCollsky, who has six plus ERA as a reliever in Abel, who was released already this year in return.
[SPEAKER_00]: Imagine being a kid, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Who likes the dream is dying, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And like you're probably considering pretty much every week, like whether it's worth still doing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you get traded for Carlos Correa straight up.
[SPEAKER_00]: pretty slick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like that's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's kind of interesting that the, you know, the issue is not getting, you know, refusing to buy the twins and then just watch them kind of torpedoing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we talked about this in our chat that, you know, I mean, just how crazy it is for the, for the Johnson's and first Steve Cohen,
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, watching Carlos Carrilloville last couple of years after they declined it on medicals.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now he gets traded for a, you know, like a twenty six year old pitcher with a sixty or a or whatever enable.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, uh, that's quite something.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So moving to other teams for the trade deadline, James, not sox related, uh, Vince asks, what do you think of Preller again?
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Massive balls takes risks just
[SPEAKER_02]: draft and sign more international studs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think the league needs more AJ Prollers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, so I will say like, it kind of reminded me of like the Addison Russell thing, not that like, you know, like nobody could foreshadow like any of like the offield stuff with Russell right, but like, like I think that
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, Devries is probably ranked a little bit too high.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he's probably a second basement.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's gonna hit, but yeah, I mean, like, it's not short stuff, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So like, is he a top twenty five prospecting baseball?
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is he a top five prospecting baseball?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, hmm, probably not, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Not as I mean, you should try them for a closer.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's absolutely insane.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I still like it, because like, when you're in prelears position, like he doesn't care, because the way he thinks is like, we have another draft and another international period.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll just sign a bunch of dudes because he's great at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: AJ Preller.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is mean.
[SPEAKER_00]: But AJ Preller is like the dude that Ken Williams thought that he was.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like because AJ Preller is like one of the best scouts like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they draft high school kids every year and like they're awesome and they sign the best international guy and they're awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they have like issues developing these guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they can scout.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they don't develop all that great.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they put they can just use these guys and trade cuts because they have like a bunch of talent in their system.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, man, like the guys that made the trades.
[SPEAKER_00]: Preller, depoto, dumpowski, shocker, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like these are the guys that like make moves all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, AJ Prellers awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you were the GM and your team like you just be fat like for what the purposes of what we do like it's just like, okay, they just like they literally traded the entire system like other than their recent draft picks and the catcher.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I find it very, it seems to me like Preller is like the king of finding and scouting guys that other scouts and talent evaluators are going to think are the best players that are available on the market that never develop anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it seems like most of the guys that he trades away, I mean, I granted the trade to the, to the, to the nets with
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, but you got one soda, but yes, yeah, fair enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I mean, like a lot of the time, like most of these guys don't develop anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this is the only guy in the league that would do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Jed Hoyer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so like the cubs are trying to win a world serious theoretically, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And look, the moves they made, I think are helpful.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like Mike Soroka.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really like Willie Castro.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, I don't understand the Moiseus ballasteros thing, you know, like, and maybe it's not true, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, Owen Casey might be fine, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And if Owen Casey were like a white socks prospect, I'd be like, yeah, that's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cause like, they have like, but like, Owen Casey's not gonna help the cubs any time soon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, even if Tucker left, Owen Casey can't be your right field.
[SPEAKER_00]: So these strikes up thirty percent of the time, and I will.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Moise's balistero is a five foot six like catcher.
[SPEAKER_00]: He rakes, but like they're not going to let him catch and he can't play first base because he's five six.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like he's a DH like you're not going to train a DH for and look none of those guys none of those pitchers were moved, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what Jen Hoyer said.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, none of those guys were moved.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well maybe maybe you should offer more and more of a might event, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be like if I were a Cubs fan, I would be upset because they just like they didn't
[SPEAKER_00]: do enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like look, they could get in and they can win the world series because anybody can get in the world series, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But like you could like enhance your chances a little bit by going out and doing whatever everybody kind of thought they were going to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And instead they prospect hogged triple a hitters with a team full of like like the cups have a veteran team of really good players.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they have a bunch of prospects who are never going to play for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that are blocked.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they can't, they can't bring them up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, unless the guy that's up there, uh, turns into a really bad baseball player.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Them and Boston are very similar.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, like, what are you doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, then there's this and this is the last thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope so.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be, yes, so somebody asked about, it's like Moona Keta Murakami, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: So I know like maybe Dylan and Elijah could get into this like because Dylan had some of the data just on his like I guess frightening with rates like in Japan I guess over really apparently but he hits freaking tanks and I love him and he's yeah he would be fun like so there's a Japanese guy coming over big time lefty power hitter he's twenty five so he's like not subject to bonus pool so
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it would it would be like a just like a regular big league signing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I hope they're in the mix.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's a corner guy, but, you know, the, the, the lefty power looks fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, indeed.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, uh, you go with me walking a cell.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have, I don't have my outro, uh, my outro read this time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, not so.
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