[SPEAKER_01]: And welcome to Air Cadence Langshav.
[SPEAKER_01]: Neil Shibley.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are a professional golfer, but you also seem to have a lot of experience with production.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just said sound speeds.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you know what that is?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I did that commercial shoot for paying, well I guess first time I heard it was like with the full swing people during my sit down.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, it's like sound speeds.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like sound so nice and it's kind of
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just a funny little thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then at the ping shoot, you're there all day and like, now it's just, yeah, you just hear all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So just picked up on that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: You also are like, you know, we just finished our video that we shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're listening to podcasts, you haven't seen the video, you gotta go see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: What I guess, what the originally the title was going to be, what is the tour player shoot at a Munich?
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think the title of the video should be?
[SPEAKER_00]: cheese.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think part of it is kind of like, you'll ship me back at his home course.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, you know, where he grew up playing golf.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and a lot of it, too, is like, what's mooney golf first, torque off and what the difference is and how like a tour player was so tuned into the conditions we get week to week from fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, usually the rough isn't crazy long and juicy every week, but when we come out here, they just got off a lot of rain.
[SPEAKER_00]: The rough had been cut in a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's thick.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got softer green, slower green.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a different like style of golf.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you got to adjust to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like, what are the differences for us as a tour pro?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how do we adjust for conditions like this and how it kind of affected my game?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, it almost means we think of like, you know, if you have like a, a form of the one driver, and then put him in like a delivery truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like, how do you, how do we even do that, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no it's I think y'all like that's a great analogy because those guys are so tuned into their cars and how that car works and reacts on turns and even if you're gonna go put them in a BMW like they could probably drive around a track pretty fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but like are they gonna be you know like they're not gonna be the best in the world in that car
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, like, even you'll hire, are you a fan of car racing at all or anything?
[SPEAKER_01]: A little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do enjoy a formula one a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So good, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And you hear him like, even at a micro level, they'll know when one tire is like too hot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they can fit and they can't turn in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, what's interesting is about when, you know, playing here, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is your childhood golf course.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you haven't been here in more than ten years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sounds like, or maybe eight or nine years old.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's been probably like eight or nine years since I've played.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you've become accustomed to just like, you know, a different level of, you know, condition almost.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really like educational for me because I've spent so much time trying to play your courses and it's like uncomfortable for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very much so, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I think it's, yeah, it's, golf is like, I think we got to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's different levels.
[SPEAKER_00]: It can be uncomfortable.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think on the, like, aspect of like, oh, you're going from if you're got a place in Muni or a public course and you go to
[SPEAKER_00]: like an oakmon or an agusta.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you don't really know how to actually feel uncomfortable that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you get on greens that are rolling thirteen's and you don't know how hard to hit it when you need to have hit a ten footer or a twenty footer and you don't really know how to chip anymore because it's a ball bounces and rolls out and all these other things.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, it becomes, you know, you had to make these adjustments and obviously it's an amateur.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you can't, you don't really, you're not good at making adjustments.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you happen to remember the first time you came to Mount Lebanon the the golf the nine-hole golf course.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh gosh I mean it's probably in the junior league when I was like six years old maybe like it's a long time ago back in two thousand five-ish You know I'm wondering like what it's like to come back now.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know I know when I went back to my high school as like an adult I remember it was just this overarching feeling of it's so much smaller than I thought it was
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the hallways that ceiling was lower.
[SPEAKER_01]: The lockers were smaller.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything was small.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed so big then.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm wondering, what does the golf course look like to you now that maybe didn't look that way last time?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think, I mean, a lot of it does feel smaller.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I noticed that too when I came back, you know, I maybe came back when I was like here on when I was like, sixteen or fifteen, because last time I played and, you know, prior to that, it had been a couple of years and over, of course, three years and your teens, you gain thirty, forty yards, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm even longer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's a couple of like t-shirts where it's like, I don't, you know, I don't remember hitting the ball this far down here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also to just like things change like trees have gotten taller like there's a couple trees and like I don't remember that one or like some trees are gone just because you know over time is you know, but I think it's so cool that for so many generations this place has been you know pretty much untouched and almost the same in terms of like I remember like the first green is just like kind of just side sloped.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like that's how it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to be left of that green
[SPEAKER_01]: the decision to become a pro golfer, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like when does that sort of first enter your head that it could be a decision that you might make one day?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think that
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I knew I liked playing competitively when I was younger.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't really know I wanted to maybe play college golf until I got into high school.
[SPEAKER_00]: I played other sports.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was a baseball player.
[SPEAKER_00]: I played some basketball.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I really enjoyed those.
[SPEAKER_00]: I loved golf.
[SPEAKER_00]: I played golf all day in the summer every day.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I started to get really serious in the beginning of high school and, you know, I saw the US open here when I was fifteen years old, twenty sixteen open and I think kind of that was part of what, you know, I saw that stage and I think that
[SPEAKER_00]: me want to get to that stage play at that level and like experience that for myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I definitely had to credit kind of that to me wanting to be a professional.
[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, too, when you're in college and I'm at James Madison, my first three years and I'm not that great of a college player.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe think myself like, I could play pro, but like,
[SPEAKER_00]: probably gonna go get a job and do finance whatever and really wasn't until as at Ohio State starting at a great summer around like I'm a hundred percent like turning pro like that that's like screw going and working out of desk.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna I'm gonna go chase this.
[SPEAKER_00]: What precipitated the transfer?
[SPEAKER_00]: I graduated from James Madison in three years.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as looking at grad programs at JMU and it's very, it's a very undergrad focused college university in general and I have an awesome experience there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, but because they're so undergrad focused, the grad programs are kind of lacking.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I knew I wanted to try and maybe term pro.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I also knew at the same time I wanted to be challenged academically.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, I can't stick around here and just play golf and not be doing something academically.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's benefiting myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what made me transfer and think about transferring.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when I entered the portal, I had a bunch of options in Ohio State was a really good balance for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: somewhere where eyes can be really challenged on the golf course, but there's more than enough programs there that, you know, if I played well in my first year, like I could do kind of a pretty easy program in my fifth year and just get, you get ready to turn pro or but if I was not playing well, wasn't starting, I was going to be able to go ahead and, you know, do another program to act in my resume and you're not playing golf.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the facility for the golf program at Ohio State is it's pretty incredible, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's it's it's pretty stout.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have a great thirty six hole complex there.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Scarlet course is a great test that we have a corn fairy event there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really excited to be back in the fall.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's originally thirty six holes that Alice McKenzie designed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jack, redid, scarlet, gray is largely untouched.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some really cool green complexes out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a fun little short course of gray course.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to drive it kind of well out there, but you can drive a bunch of the greens and the greens are really pure.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had to, you know, back at the range to ourselves and then our indoor facility was just awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's a great indoor golf facility and it was just, you know, I just started all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did a lot of online school.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was just, you know, camping out in the facility just about all day, every day.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, then that
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, the athletic complex that you have on campus for weight rooms and athletic dining, et cetera, is just incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a three-hour drive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really close.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I got to come home when I wanted to, and when I had some opportunities to, you know, play some good courses back home and bring some guys out to good courses, real what to do it really easily.
[SPEAKER_01]: Would you ever, would you go to the game?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been to one, the first one, my fourth year we lost and honestly it's been a tough little go at it for us recently with that one but I mean I love being in the shoe for football gamers not a better environment in college football I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: My mom grew up in Columbus.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have this kind of like entire kind of like I didn't go to college but I don't have a state fan so it's even though I live in Austin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, we'll have kick the crap out of the long horns on the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was a, I mean, we talked about what a football game that was too amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Leave a ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love college football is one of those sports where, you know, you just, it's like anything could happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so fun to watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's cool to, I mean, the transfer portal, it's both good and bad, but it was kind of cool to see when yours, a former Ohio State player going up against his former team.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think as you know, Jack Sory was his roommate freshman year and Zach and him and scoop and score him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's something that we would never have had, you know, twenty years ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You were playing the hockey, you grew up in Pittsburgh.
[SPEAKER_00]: You think a lot of hockey around here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I always played street hockey.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of street hockey.
[SPEAKER_00]: I always love being goalie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like the good all-time goalie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just play goalie for I loved that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was kind of maniac and you think about it getting puck shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is like kind of psychotic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, a bunch of buddies that played night.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did a bunch of ice skating, but I didn't really play.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't get into it early enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to start when you're like a toddler.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: what so the degree the the name the degree you got is in quantitative finance yes and so the short term of that is quant yes quant which means for people to don't know I think I know but I'm probably sure I don't what exactly is that yeah so I guess I mean another a synonym for it would be mathematical finance so I think in general like a finance major might learn
[SPEAKER_00]: like, say the black shoals equation, which is what?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's an equation that you would use to price normal options.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Use pretty frequently now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just be like, it's just a straight formula.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a lot of weird math behind it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we would be the people who are like, we're going to learn about the weird math behind it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll learn how if you have an option that's like some type of financial product that is more exotic than your typical option, like how you can estimate prices, you know, by maybe tweaking things behind the scenes and in the process that you derived that formula in or using like
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's one of my favorite, it's kind of an equation.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a ethoslema is something we used a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a fun, that's like probably my favorite equation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got asked that one last year in the summer and it's like a cool little, it's a cool way that you can figure out sensitivities, I think it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a, it's a, I don't know, and kind of not too fresh on all of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, sure, sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this isn't a quiz, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so is this kind of in the same vein of like I've been reading this book recently called
[SPEAKER_01]: called a fooled by randomness.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know this and he is the same guy that wrote Black Swan.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is kind of in that vein, right, of like you're ultimately trying to predict the future and understanding that not everything is predictable kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think yeah, a lot of what we focused on is maybe in the tales of what like, you know, that non randomness because if you look at this is going to get into the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you look at like financial markets and how often we have these big like like like six six like
[SPEAKER_00]: Six Sigma events like way out in the tails like the tails are really fat.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a I forget the proper academic term for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like light light both something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got golf on your back.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, so we actually try and focus in plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like a lot of what the quanceue for trying to plan for risk management plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay, these events happen more often.
[SPEAKER_00]: How do we plan for these and how do we, you know, how do we like prep for those moments and like the word we kind of like value at risk, your var, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's a big term.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that we spent pretty much half of the semester learning about var and one of my mathematical finance classes, like it's like, you know, it's a kind of a big thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know anything about, even really what we're talking about here is risk, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And what's interesting is like on some level, you know, risk is like an equation and golf has the same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so like how do you do you see and do you ever notice that there's an overlap in kind of what you learned on paper?
[SPEAKER_01]: Regarding dollars to strokes on the golf course totally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so a hundred percent It's definitely different type of math, but you can think about it as if
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we think about financial outcomes that they're on a distribution, you know, like that's like a normal curve and you have two tails in golf.
[SPEAKER_00]: We think more of like a shot dispersion.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the distribution.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that shot dispersion, you know, essentially what we're doing is we have a pin and we have, you know, if we knew around the green what our expected outcome is from those positions, you know, we can figure out an optimal place to aim.
[SPEAKER_00]: so that we're optimizing for the lowest expected score.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, you can generalize a lot of times, you know, like, I wish you five yards off a green if you have a hazard from, you know, fifty yards or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the way I kind of like to go about it, especially my practice rounds is I find the spots for like, hey, that's an easy up and down there.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a medium.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, okay, if we have a pin that's right next to an easy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can pretty much go right at that one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be at maximum one or two yards towards the center of the green from that pin.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if we have a hard one up and down right next to the pin, we're going to gain shots just by hitting it in the middle of the green.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like we can just hit it to the middle of the green.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to gain shots and try to roll on a pot for a birdie.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when you get on to the PGA Torrential, the Shotlink data, and you can actually know what the expected outcome is from that bunker or the rough from long or the rough from right, you can really pinpoint where you want to aim.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of this is, you don't want to be too prescriptive.
[SPEAKER_00]: And how you go about it, because a lot of it's fuel, how am I hitting it this week?
[SPEAKER_00]: If I can't hit a draw, but I can cut it in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I know I'm hitting a cut great that week.
[SPEAKER_01]: where I aim is going to change but you know it's kind of having that knowledge of you know like this is kind of in the general vicinity of where I should be is important I think yeah yeah it's super interesting that you know golf is like there's sort of a part of it that's like I mean honestly I was actually I was actually really thinking about your playoff recently
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I was wondering what the psychology is from a playoff is different than the first twelve of a tournament or the last twelve of a tournament.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it one behind on the seventy-second hole?
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or is it like how aggressive do you get in a playoff?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because does your normal strategy change or go out the window?
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yes and no.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, obviously, you know, I think my recent playoff, the pin was in like a, as a tough to get to spot, but if you missed around it, it wasn't too penal.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can, we're pretty much trying to hit it right at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I could think of a lot of situations, like, um, like a playoff at the players, right, you know, on on, on seventeen.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you just hit the green, like in your first to go, like one, you're putting a ton of pressure on the guys behind you, like I behind you or the go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, even if you just hit it on the green and you're the second to go, you're gaining shots there.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're giving yourself a look at a par.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, like, should you go pin hunting, like, probably not?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, but at the same, you know, so there's, I think, an element, and sometimes it's, you know, just putting pressure on like, I get in your ball and play, that's huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: And at the same time, you know, you're probably going to need to make birdie to win.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you might be optimizing more for how can I make birdie the easiest, instead of how can I, you know, how can I get my average score down the most?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, I think inherently, if you a lot of times in good golf course design, when you are optimizing for making birdie the most often, you're also bringing bogey into play more often.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're overall, like, expected score might actually get worse than what your optimal strategy is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is, it is a little bit of both.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I asked Chad Gbt and it gave me the two he has two side of the answer and I was like, come on.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's not that inaccurate, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It really is like, you want to be like, um, uh, you don't want to bring in a lot of risk in a playoff, I guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, because that's the thing is if you, you know, there's trade-offs.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like in life, you make a decision.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's risk and reward golf is like life in that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you never want to, you know, you never want to be like hitting a shot where if I don't hit this absolutely perfect, I'm making six.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you just lose the playoff, fifty percent of the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the fifty percent of the time you hit the good shot, you're not even guaranteed to make a birdie and win.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so it's, you know, why would you bring in that outcome of losing?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's thousands of quotes about golf out there which one sticks out to you that you identify with it in this part of your life now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, there's a couple good ones.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember if it's Mr. Palmer or Mr. Nicholas that said the one that's like, you know, the more I practice the luckier I get.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's definitely feels like a true one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the more work you put in the better you get.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, ultimately because we're not offline as much, we get a couple better breaks every once in a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a good one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the ones who there's one I'd have to look it up about Mr. Palmer and life in general.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's a lot of great tidbits, especially in some of his books.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a big Mr. Palmer guy, just being from Western Pennsylvania.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is about so many good quotes that he's asked.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't think of one answer on my head.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what's the routine the night before?
[SPEAKER_01]: Wednesday night.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, Wednesday night, gosh, I mean, in general, we get the pins at eight PM every day.
[SPEAKER_00]: So going into my book, we're putting the pins in.
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of mentally go through, okay, this is where I aiming to this one, because in my yardage book, I'll kind of have for corn fairy tour.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have kind of like easy medium hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of how I scale them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, um, figure that out during my practice round.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I kind of mentally, in my head, I'm like, okay, for this pin, we're trying to ball there, trying to hear for this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just kind of game plan a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: If there's anything that's super tricky, I might write something down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then we're just like kind of resting and just hang out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I off the golf course, I just like, I watched a lot of Netflix do a lot of, you know, I don't read a little bit on the rope, and not as much as I'd like.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, what would you read like what was the last thing you read?
[SPEAKER_00]: Last thing I've read.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've gone through a Bob Rotello book right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like the champions mindset.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm just like slowly slowly going through it because I read like on every other plane ride maybe or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I've been watching a lot of movies recently.
[SPEAKER_00]: I recently watched the Conclave because that's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's because that's about to start happening here.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh, really soon.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, maybe not as that movie's not as realistic as what will happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the conclave about?
[SPEAKER_00]: The conclave.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about when they elect a new pope.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like, it's kind of like a mystery thriller about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually pretty, uh, I'll talk about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll do recommend.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love anything thriller.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not that thriller, I guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, more mist.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's like more mystery.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you just lost suspense about like what's going to happen next?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: What golf movie?
[SPEAKER_00]: Favorite golf movie?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it's about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it the greatest game ever played?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that one?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I like that one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the story of Francis we met.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think that's such a cool story.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when I was playing in the open as an amateur kind of inspirational for me is like, let's go, you know, show people to him or just can hang out the pros.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of that underdog mentality.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've always like to have that, you know, that kind of like chip on my shoulder.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, you don't want to give me a reason to like, you know, beat beat you or anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that would be good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What were the next couple of holes like?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you know I knew yeah, well I knew so I that's a well at the gust I knew because I'm as only am to make the cut and Like it was I sitting on my couch Friday one pumped because it's blown a thousand and I'd already posted a number that I was you know pretty happy with And as well inside the cut line and I'm just watching the carnage like
[SPEAKER_00]: like unfold it was as like wow this looks miserable I'm glad not out there um and you know you just like Saturday we played a Patrick can't lay a super fun I mean I I mean I had a great the list I was with Pat can't lay I mean he's great overall players really cool to watch his game I played terrible
[SPEAKER_00]: and then you play Tiger, and I just got to kind of enjoy that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the best thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have to go out there and perform that day.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to enjoy it, kind of soak it all in.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I had the absolute dream week, I got to go stiff for an amateur, like short of winning the tournament as an amateur.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't think it gets much better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that ever happened?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's insane.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's... You thought about it, you're saying?
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to think about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wearing the tournament as an amateur.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you thought about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, imagine like how crazy that would be.
[SPEAKER_00]: One, a gust of love because of the body, Joan stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they are, they love their amateurs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, I think it's such a cool part of the tournament that they still include us.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they used to include like the entire Walker Cup teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think back in the day, I mean, a lot of guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you think too about the guys that you sustain up in the crow's nest.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the people who have done that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you stay up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I stay up there Monday night and that was like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the who's who of golf has played August as an amateur.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to know that you're on the right track already is pretty great.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you find out when do you find out that you're playing with Tyron Sunday?
[SPEAKER_00]: I found out.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we did the math like on it because you can count down the leaderboard and everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we did the math.
[SPEAKER_00]: He finished and other people did the math first and text us like, hey, it looks like like you might get paired with Tyron right next to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, there's no chance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's no way.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we do the math and count off, count it off from like, oh my god, like, yeah, we're like, if nobody plays really bad and gets between us, like, we're like, I'm playing with Techwoods tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's so sick.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we, I kind of kind of knew, call like three, three o'clock or four o'clock in the afternoon.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was pissed because I shot eighty as like putting mad.
[SPEAKER_00]: My buddies kind of me like text me like comes over and he's like, hey, it looks like I can get a pair of tiger.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, there's no chance.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do the math.
[SPEAKER_00]: I walk off.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, we're done practicing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy.
[SPEAKER_00]: We go have dinner and I'm just thinking the entire night is like, just I hope I pray that he's not like hurt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if he's going to be able to go out and play because his body is real issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome seeing you on the range on Sunday as like this is actually happening and you know we didn't early tea time and I woke up pretty early and I was just like not even tired I'm like I'm just excited like I'm pumped so so had you met a prior?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I had not so you walk up to him on the range
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll come to him on the ring.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like my name is Neil.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I say, hey, I've tiger.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Neil.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, hey, tiger birds.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like nice to meet you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm super excited.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got like a big smile on his face.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was lucky.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had met one of Charlie's buddies.
[SPEAKER_00]: I played with Charlie's friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I was, I went to a stadium floor to like a couple of weeks before.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I played with one of Charlie's buddies before.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I, so I got to talk to Charlie about that and get a little connection.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really good with day and tigers great to me and honestly it's just a dream experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you dig a rescue any questions right around?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, bond.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we talked to the tonne.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what questions is the title?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, I mean, we talked a lot about golf in general.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some like golf courses, signs up courses.
[SPEAKER_00]: We both like we we both traded some college stories.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing too too crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So one of the best, I think one of the best interactions was
[SPEAKER_00]: I asked him about like Oakmont and asking if you played it when it had trees.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, yeah, I loved it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Way better when it had trees.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was, you'd be a completely tree-lined.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I responded back like, oh yeah, I don't remember an Oakmont with trees.
[SPEAKER_00]: They cut them down, maybe really two thousand.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was never out there when it had trees.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was a little funny, like tigers, a little older than me, moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: and you had no game between the two of you.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, there's no game going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that discouraged?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'd assume it's discouraged.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't really tell you a lot of the rules out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them are unspoken.
[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's probably something that shouldn't be done.
[SPEAKER_00]: At the same time, I'm at the time, at the time, twenty-three-old amateur, and I'm just nervous enough as it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that would have been pretty balls to be like, hey, Tiger, you're gonna play like a hundred aside or something,
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, like, like, Tony doll on ass all today.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you would work.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have won.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I, when I should have done, we should have been like, hey, Tiger, like, can you, will play for a five dollar bill signed?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'll sign my a five dollar bill and you can have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or if I win, I get a dollar bill that's signed by you.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be epic.
[SPEAKER_00]: What have been hilarious?
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be nuts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I mean, that's just one of those things where, yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you hadn't shot AD on Saturday,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I look back at a lot of what's happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: And one, having a dream week at the U.S.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ambitor at Cherry Hills, I mean, I'm making it to the finals.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, this has happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I don't...
[SPEAKER_00]: have to act right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, a lot of what's come, has become because I play with Tiger Woods as in a feature group.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, a lot of people forget that I was finishing like, fifty-third place at the gusts and like not great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, that then being able to play the U.S.
[SPEAKER_00]: Open and, you know, be on TV a lot there, play well, be low-amitter, you know, first guy since Victor Hoffman to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's all these things that have gone right and I'm taking advantage of some of these opportunities.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think that's what's been, you know, made it such a special run so far.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you mean, uh, first guys is Victor to do low am and both in both.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like me Victor and then before Victor, I want to say like maybe Phil and Koocher or then other two.
[SPEAKER_01]: and then you have like jacknickless uh... can venture uh... a couple of other like two games so what we're kind of getting into now is this idea of uh... you know a lot of you say golf's game of confidence right and so and so how do you build confidence
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a great question because it's hard to have confidence when you haven't done things before, but a lot of times to do things you have to have confidence.
[SPEAKER_00]: At least that's I think a lot of people's you on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I personally think you can generate a lot of confidence just from the work you put into your game.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for me, it's when the work I put in on the practice tea to get ready for a tournament or the work I do Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, like scouting the golf course, doing that type of work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I know of turned over all the stones.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know I'm hitting it good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it just so matter of like going out and doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: and just trusting that practice.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's something you look at Tiger's career.
[SPEAKER_00]: I recently listened to a podcast with us, D.V.
[SPEAKER_00]: Zolkati.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he talked about how Tiger, when he had a major coming up, he would be practicing the shots that he needed to hit.
[SPEAKER_00]: At those golf courses like months before on like on the FBI at the range at the on a polymer invitations and he'd be like well I need to hit that you know practice let's hit that shot on ten right needs like hook a three would and like let's hit that like high cut you know shot into this hole let's hit like the knockdown eight iron for twelve you know you hit the shots on the range but it's
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not tournament of like a lot of guys will do that the week of he's doing that you know months months ahead of time to get prepped like I think that's like the next level that they went into Yeah, and so I think like that's how you can have like the conference like I've practiced this shot been practicing it for months Yeah, I think that's you know a way you can really generate some confidence without you know necessarily having like one a major yet
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's interesting, because I totally agree with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like in terms of being able to rely on the repetition of your practice.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what some of you do about golf is like, you kind of have these like simple actions like, for example, a six foot put, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like that physical of a move.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so like, I'm assuming you're the type of person that would want to feel the nerves.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like is that true?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I always consider myself one of those guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're playing basketball, you want the ball down in the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to take the game when you shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, you're going to miss.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's something that you need to accept.
[SPEAKER_00]: And part of having that confidence accepting that you're going to have those misses.
[SPEAKER_01]: What in terms of other sports, or you talk a little bit about basketball, you talk about what baseball position were you as a pitcher.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I played pitcher.
[SPEAKER_00]: I played my freshman year at high school.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stop for a couple years and then try out my senior year after I committed to play golf for James Madison and somehow made the squad and
[SPEAKER_00]: I had a couple guys on my team.
[SPEAKER_00]: One was pitching at Wake Forest.
[SPEAKER_00]: One was playing some other D-One ball and pitching.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just like me, who was this little golfer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I maybe threw like maybe eighty one, eighty two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I topped out there, but it was just so much fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: The most fun I had playing a sport competitively.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pitching sure there's a lot of similarities to golf.
[SPEAKER_00]: Would you say?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think mentally it does.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to put, you know, bad pitches behind you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, you know, when, like, if you someone like nails a homer off you, like, you've got to go, like, it's like hitting ball out of bounds.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to go, but you've got to go up and you've got to hit the next shot and you've got to, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: you got to go pitch the next guy and I think that's I mean just like having the mental fortitude to put things behind you's huge and not really get too emotional out on the mound or on the golf course yeah yeah I mean baseball such a fascinating sport because you've got this kind of
[SPEAKER_01]: There's like multiple games going on the same time.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's like picture versus batter and then you've got like Everyone on defense, you know, everyone's in the on the on the like on the bench.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like waiting for their player.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just it's there's so many facets to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you do you still watch do you go to games?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I tried to.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's something over the summer time.
[SPEAKER_00]: We go to a lot of cities where you have minor league ball and yeah, if you get the chance, I like to try and do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely like the watch baseball.
[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, my Pirates haven't been too great.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, it's still fun to go watch games and I mean, we got a great ballpark here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So could be one of the best, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think it's the best personally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's great, too, when you get teams, good teams coming to the town, like we get the Yankees or the Matts, or whatever, like the stadium gets filled up, and it has a lot of energy, it's a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially when you get like a skiing pitching, like he's just been unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So much fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's so when you get paired up with people, you know, like, what's your favorite kind of athlete to get to play a pro and with or something, or like a friendly round?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a great question.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've had a couple of players are great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Eric Wood, I've prepared up with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in the same group, I had Junior Bridgemen, the NBA player.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Junior is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just passing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he is an amazing guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's really successful off the basketball court as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's really cool to talk to those two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, most of the time when you get, get paired up with another guy who is a professional athlete, like they just get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, they get what it's like to be, you know, that the man in the arena, you know, do things under pressure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think a lot of sports, there's a lot of
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a lot of the mental stuff is pretty similar.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's, you know, so I think a lot of guys get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're, you're most athletic when you're a reactionary.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think talk, I mean, you read Rotella's books.
[SPEAKER_00]: He talks about that a lot where it's, he's trying to,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's trying to convince you that you need to be reactionary to your target or to like, you know, you don't want to be static or thinking about your swing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to be reacting to the ball.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like shooting a free throw in basketball.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you think that NBA players would be like a hundred percent on their free throws.
[SPEAKER_00]: They get paid millions dollars to be a basketball player.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like there's some guys that can't make free throws.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it and it asks it's the same distance away.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing changes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's like a lot of times because you're just going to react to your target.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, when you start like,
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you watch guys have free throws that are bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have little hitches in their stroke and everything and it's a lot like, you know, some guys like you watch Charles Barkley and how he used to swing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's definitely thinking way too much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of guys think too much on the golf course who are good athletes and I think a lot of everyone would be a better golfer if they could just be an athlete out there and be reactionary and not be thinking too technically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think that's two when you start playing golf swing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's when a lot of guys who are professional golfers like getting trouble say start playing golf swing instead of just playing golf.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, chef was probably a great example.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, like guys, Jack guys, he's just swinging it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at what?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just like, I'm gonna like hit a little peel cut here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think for me, I always like to see the shot and then try to feel it and just hit it and react kind of like that, you know, that shot that I'm envisioning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's one of the things.
[SPEAKER_00]: He does so well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, um, nah, I mean, you look at his swing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, it's a great golf swing, but you wouldn't, it's not the most pretty like Adam Scots is beautiful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, but it's, you know, that's, I think part of it is that mental part of being a athlete and reactionary.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not about what it looks like.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, what does the ball do?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're here at Mount Lebanon in a nine-hole golf course that's been around since nineteen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, eight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, seven.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was year off.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a long time, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe even before the automobile, was that really right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're right around that time where it's, I mean, I think they mentioned earlier, they, there's a train stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: You should be down there.
[SPEAKER_00]: These two buggy people up here from the train stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you could get on the train, hide out here, buggy up, and go down.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, so it's been around for a minute.
[SPEAKER_01]: on the sort of this null, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You got some high points here where you can see all over all over this upper bits of Pittsburgh.
[SPEAKER_01]: You grew up playing here, kind of junior league, you know, talked about coming out here for nine bucks, just playing the ton of golf in a summer.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we were walking up the seventh hole, and you talked about how you said something really casual, we weren't kind of filming it, but you said, I'd love to, you know, have a place like this, and sort of make it a special thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you talked a little bit about growing the game, and, yeah, I mean, you even comment a little bit on how some people don't feel like that's an important thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: the last thing I kind of want to bring to mind is this idea that I don't know the stats but you know you got a couple hundred pro golfers around I have to imagine it's it's more than eighty percent of them grew up in public golf environments right I mean is that number crazy
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm maybe not I mean, it's I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's it's the backgrounds of professional golfers very so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have a guy like Patrick McNeilley who has a lot, but he's a great guy like yeah great dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: You had a no idea when you made a meet him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, we played at the waste management and somebody was like, oh, you know, and I was like, I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you have no idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the guys like twenty feet now who've grew up and had nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's hidden balls into a mattress.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, you know, I think that's one of the cool things about the game is, you know, got the golf ball doesn't care who you are, doesn't care how much money you got.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it doesn't care what your race is, what your sex is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's cares about how you hit it and can you get in the hole.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's one of the best parts about golf.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, you can let your clubs do the talking.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you grow up playing travel sports and it's who's the coaches son, who's, you know, who's the who does a coach like, you know, who's parents does the coach not like because their kids not can on a team.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know, there's politics and I think with golf it's so great that that's not the case even at the highest level.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, you know, not not the case.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you can earn your way onto the PGA tour.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the quorum fairy tours all about and it's not about, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: who's the most popular, you know, if they, you know, I'm probably, you know, I don't want to be pumped for my own tires, but in terms of a media platform and my brand and one of the bigger guys out there on corn fairy tour and if, you know, they wanted me to be on the PGA tour, like they could do that, but that's not what the game's about, which I think is great.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so in terms of the give back that you talked about regarding creating a place, like just like pay me a picture of what that would be, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like ignore your life as a pro golfer, but just talk about what your impact as a person who loves golf would be.
[SPEAKER_01]: What would you create?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would, I want to create a place where, like, all to me, I think that golf and youth in golf is really important.
[SPEAKER_00]: And especially, I think that's where I develop so many friendships and have still some of my closest friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the guy that Cady for me at the Masters, Carter Pickering, he, I've been playing golf with him since he was like,
[SPEAKER_00]: ten and as thirteen and you know you got we got our way all the way to the masters i think that's so cool um but it's a share that with him was amazing and we played i don't even know how many rounds together like we spent all this time together for our entire lives
[SPEAKER_00]: And golf has given me so much in that way from friends, connections.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really lucky that some of my friends that I played growing up with, like, their members at great courses.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I've been able to go travel around the world with them and play these awesome awesome places because, you know, they're dads and members at these beautiful courses.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's giving me a lot of experiences that I never thought I wouldn't get otherwise, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I want other people to experience that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want other people to be able to chase their dreams and have a place to start, a launching pad for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's having good youth golf programs, a good course where kids can come out and play for cheap.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're not going to be
[SPEAKER_00]: It's where I'm looking for.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, places where these kids are welcomed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of country clubs are getting there, which is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's still a lot of places where it's tough for kids to go and go play.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also like meet them at their level.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, I totally feel on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like having a junior golfer at Oakmont, like a mad, like your kid needs to get to a certain level before he can kind of go out there and play, you know, it's tough.
[SPEAKER_00]: Big gorses.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a big golf course.
[SPEAKER_01]: Big bunkers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of Oakmont, you catted there for three years.
[SPEAKER_01]: What did you learn?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like above and beyond, what was the biggest kind of like, Oakmont take away as a caddy?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think interacting with all the members, I think a lot of people have, I think this picture of like these elite clubs and what the memberships like and then their members are like these big wealthy people with tons of money, deep pockets and like are kind of like, you know, think they're a little better than everyone else.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the type of people that they don't want at those types of places.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, Mike doesn't want those people.
[SPEAKER_00]: They want the people that are really good people that don't care how much money the guy next to them has.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that doesn't matter to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about how you treat other people, how you make other people feel.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I think that's so important in life.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it shouldn't matter like how much money I make on the golf course.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about how I make others feel.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's really kind of something that I try to keep in mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and he's really interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: You point out this idea of how each kind of golf club, if it's private, you know, has its own culture, you know, in its own kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're totally right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a lot of these courses that are sort of very well known.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's a, or like a very great court, highly rated golf course or historic or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: They kind of have this internal culture that's, it's very low key.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when you go into the locker room at Cyprus and there's like hiking boots on the ground and then there's all they have is a tuna sandwich and it's like, does that get, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost, you know, it's, it's, it is, you point out something interesting that, that it is probably not what you thought had before you had gone in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a hundred percent, even like a place like Augusta, that membership is like actually pretty low key.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like those people there, they, you know, they want to play for like, you know, ten cents or dollars or maximum bet, isn't there?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard that there's like, you can't bet.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't want a lot of betting ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I mean, like, I'll be honest, like if you're like, if I'm playing with my buddies back here at home, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I could, some of my buddies have some money.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could play him, you know, two hundred a side or something, or you know, a five hundred dollar an ass off.
[SPEAKER_00]: We really wanted to get, you know, super spicy, but do I want to take a thousand dollars off my friend?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of want to.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could just be in the crap out of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, just me enough joy, where I just like, let's play for twenty bucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's that's kind of my thought on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like these big gambling games like when I'm playing with another pro I mean it's a little bit different but we don't we're not getting crazy aggressive like I don't want to I don't want to like you know make anyone no one should be upset yeah about something it's like that happened because they lost some money on the golf course
[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of betting, I heard of a really interesting thing the other day that we were at Royal County down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the caties were telling me that a lot of times they'll have their own game, the caties.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you heard of this, did you do this at Oakmont?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some caties might, I mean, the caties on the tour might do this too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they'll do little side bats with caties as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the caties are degenerates as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well documented.
[SPEAKER_01]: So essentially, the game is, you know, the caddies are betting on their players without the players knowing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which to me is so fascinating, especially if you're at like kind of a real tourist destination.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's like, they have no idea about your getting to.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all they can see is the clubs and maybe the handicap, you know, in the bag.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So going into, and I was just seeing it so funny because, you know, what if your player elects to like pick up?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, as the caddy, like, does this ever happen to you at Oakmont?
[SPEAKER_01]: You never, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never did side betting at Oakmont, like this, but I mean, that just be lost of full, you probably, I mean, that would be tough.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of guys would do, like, under over on bunkers, or if they had a member that, like, is like a notorious, like a guy that, like to have a couple beers, might be a number on what the under over is on that, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll do some side bets with my, you know, my caddy when you play with pro am guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you see, you guys smoking a dart.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, I'm nine holes.
[SPEAKER_00]: How many, how many, how many, six is this guy gonna have?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's your role?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, my caddy will do side bets on the course of us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we don't do a lot on the,
[SPEAKER_00]: on the on our playing partners.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's more just with us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just for fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just to have something else going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just like stay in tune.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I watched this thing the other day where they're like, um, you know, over under, uh, for Phil to hit a T shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, it was like, forty nine seconds.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what, once the two goes in the ground, and then these guys were like on the sideline and like, he stepped off.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they were like, Oh, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's a fifty three seconds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can add a rule.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone says would you take away a rule, but you can add a rule.
[SPEAKER_01]: What would it be?
[SPEAKER_01]: Add a rule.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is so tough because I think I'm, I'll be honest, like everyone's like, oh, divots.
[SPEAKER_00]: I should be able to move out of divot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like that one because it happens, at least on the tour, happens like once every maybe three events, like two events and then you get in the argument of what's, what's a divot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Same thing with back in the day when you couldn't fix anything but a ball mark on the green.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, what's a ball mark?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody knows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you think you should be able to get your ball out of a divot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I leave it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because how do you define a divot?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a tough one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's then you get a move.
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, like, yeah, I mean, yeah, but then, you know, there's ones that are clearly a divot, like, let's be like, that's a divot, but then there's ones that it's like, is that a divot or is that just like kind of a bear piece of grass or bat maintenance or it could be grounded or repair.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it could have should have been.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's like, or is it like, is it how old is the divot?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if there's grass sprouting out of an old diva, but it's, you know, kind of thin or not.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're saying, where's the line folks?
[SPEAKER_01]: At some point, just played as a lies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, and honestly, it comes into play, you know, like I said, once every two or three tournaments and usually doesn't cost a guy shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's, okay, so you're fine with playing out of a diva.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm fine with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great attitude to have on the golf course.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean, just bring it on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's I mean at the end of the day, it's like it's you're going to get a lot of good breaks and you're going to get bad breaks.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's golf kind of even out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think man, I think that's
[SPEAKER_00]: Something about a lateral hazard, you're not able to drop it to club links from it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of feels a little brutal.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish if you had the option, you're on seventeen at sawgrass.
[SPEAKER_00]: For example, you do two hopped over the green.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're so close to hitting being on the surface and then you got to drop a hundred yards away and hit it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: You couldn't do club links because it's yellow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yellow has its back in line because otherwise you'd be basically putting yeah exactly dropping where it went in yeah yeah yeah so you can make it red because if it was red you'd be dropping right there where it went into the house yeah I'd probably played as red for like the yeah for amateur for amps but for pros of yellow and that's why they have the drop zone
[SPEAKER_00]: So you had to hit it back, hit it from the drop zone or you'd have to go back in line like over the lake into oblivion on the other side.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's, I mean, I would just love to see just two club lengths from something like that would be great.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's your thoughts on on course out of bounds?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it depends.
[SPEAKER_00]: I personally think that on course out of bounds shouldn't come into play unless you were purposely hitting it like two different holes.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you have on course out of bounds, that's just like it would be in play in the normal course of playing a hole.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a fan of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think we've had stuff on like happens a good bit on PGA tour Americas in Canada.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could like go to the tea and play it down in another hole, but you're going like you got a big dog leg and you're going like forty five degrees in the wrong direction.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like it's on the you know inside edge of that fairway or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like that's like
[SPEAKER_00]: totally like I want in course out of bounds there because then you're not playing the whole as it's designed but when you got out of bounds like between two fairways and it I'm just kind of like what what the heck yeah any questions for me oh gosh so you don't all these golf trips yeah obviously over the time and
[SPEAKER_00]: I most my golf trips are work trips.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're to go to recommend one place that I should go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like for for for for leisure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: For like say a three or four day trip.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like where we're in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let me ask you a cool questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Neil should be wants to go on a golf trip.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's coming?
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's coming with you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, it's probably gonna be like me and just a couple of my boys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's good to boyship.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: And um, got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm narrowing it down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And um, what's your favorite type of golf?
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have a particular attack.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go golf in general.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go golf.
[SPEAKER_01]: You want, you said you like mountains, but do you want, like, what's the ideal weather?
[SPEAKER_00]: Ideally, like, I'm okay with, like, the link sea, like, little chili, but like, ideally, like, you know, it's not gonna be like, oh my gosh, I don't wanna be outside.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, right, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And these are all good players.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all good players.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, okay, all right, all right, all right, all right, and how many days do you wanna, do you wanna see the world or do you wanna just chill and play great golf and have it be easy?
[SPEAKER_00]: Say like we can go like we got to go to an area and we can travel with in like two hours and play golf.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh hell yeah, okay, and you said you said links is you would like to play some links.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, links is great, but if it's not links, it's okay too.
[SPEAKER_00]: But but then also like off the golf course, you might spend a day off the golf course like there's cool spots around there to that adds to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I would say, it's a couple of options.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think New York City has some of the best golf in the world, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're a well-connected brother.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you could find your way to, like, for US Open courses like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't even like, Shinnacock winged foot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've played a couple.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've played like, made stone out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: That place is sick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Love that golf.
[SPEAKER_00]: Friars head.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's national.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so blessed to have played national.
[SPEAKER_01]: That golf course is just so cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I uh, I played fourteen holes in national lightning.
[SPEAKER_01]: Couldn't didn't get to finish.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but last couple of holes and I'm not pretty good, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you probably want more of like a like a like a distant destination.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's off the radar.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, outside the United States.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Outside the US.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, so you're okay flying.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say Vietnam Vietnam really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Vietnam is like heavily investing in golf as a component of tourism.
[SPEAKER_01]: The golf is like high quality.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's long.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, some of these guys are on some of these are Asian tour events in Denang and outside of Saigon.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's night golf.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's big golf.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like really well maintained.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got, we're talking about agronomists and head pros from all over Europe and America, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like these guys are well trained.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got solid equipment.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're not going to have any like
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think one of the hardest things when you go play golf and like, you know, no offense, but like some country in Europe, you know, we'll set it at least.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like the quality of golf is just a little bit too low.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in Asia, they've got that shit dialed in.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would say Vietnam would be an awesome spot, especially because culturally, you, after the round, you go out and do like stuff you could never do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whether it's like great food or like, you know, night markets or like, you know, all sorts of experience, like you can go to a mall.
[SPEAKER_01]: In Vietnam, it would just be blown away, pick up some fake suitcases, pick watches.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a fun time.
[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't mean it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And your dollar goes a long way there.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, whereas, like, sometimes you go to like, you know, you go to like, also the golf is really well priced.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And probably also the culture of golf there is super crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a catty you play with every day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but over here these all the we in a catty of the nominee was ninja right her face is covered all you can see her eyes You know what I mean and she's like marking your ball lining it up like everything fixing your ball mark giving you a club, you know, just like getting the lumber like I think you would find that very exhilarating because it's just like the most and like
[SPEAKER_01]: They love their golf.
[SPEAKER_01]: They take it very seriously, and it's totally different than any of you experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Vena was my answer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll put it on the list of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you guys, do you get over there very much?
[SPEAKER_00]: Not on the corn fairy tour?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm hoping potentially playing a couple of events over in Asia or Australia later in the year.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then, you know, when the corn fairy season's over.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, there's like a lot of things the hoop set have to need to jump through and things they need to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, I'd love to get out there and play and experience like I said like Australia for me is one that's on the bucket list I really need to get to.
[SPEAKER_01]: My second answer is going to be Melbourne.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just high quality golf all around you like good history even architects that we know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because that's that's really I mean, I need to hit up Australia and Asia and then that's I've been to
[SPEAKER_00]: all the content, except in Artica, I mean... Not a lot of golf there.
[SPEAKER_00]: That'd be interesting video though.
[SPEAKER_00]: You did the one video, did you go all the way?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's that way one way up north and like Norway or something?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Lafoutin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lafoutin?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Alice links course in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that sounds unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was crazy dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, obviously it's crazy because the sun doesn't set.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're team off at one of the morning and it's kind of insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: but also like, I mean, even Tom Doke said, like, the holes are good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the layout is good and, you know, he's an expert and, you know, they've got this greenskeeper who's from Bali, Bunyan.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's like shows up every year and he's like, the course is covered in ice.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like got to fix it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like this whole story, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and then some level, you know, my job, it's kind of like, the harder it is to get to the course, the more we're gonna enjoy it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We actually went last summer to play a nine hole course.
[SPEAKER_01]: and it was the only real nine hole course in the country, Greenland.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh no way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, dude, it was crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, there were more rocks down that golf course.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was barely grass holding on to these rocks.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was barely a golf course.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no soil there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yeah, it's kind of like, we mentioned earlier, well, we're playing that you've been diced and you've been there too and it's kind of like you hit it off the fairway there and you're just saying you're in like lava rocks.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hilarious.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just so different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, we gotta go on an adventure together.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I love traveling, especially for me now that we do all this travel on the corn fairy tour when you go on a vacation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you can't just like pop down to like mortal beach or something and have a weekend.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you got to like go somewhere to make it feel like you're getting away from your life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you gotta get exotic with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are, you said you're girlfriend to sheep like off.
[SPEAKER_00]: She does not play golf, which is a blessing, I think personally.
[SPEAKER_00]: One, I don't think I could, like, I'm really competitive.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's really competitive.
[SPEAKER_00]: If she ever beat me, she'd never let me hear that of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, like, I know like Alex Fitzpatrick, he's dating Rachel Keene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: they, like, she can legitimately beat him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, like, there's just too much competition.
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's nice to kind of like, when I'm playing and practicing and doing all that, like, when I get away, like, I want to get away from golf from off the course.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do do some fly fishing and I like and really enjoy it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like, I mean, I just haven't been able to do it recently, but I'm hoping we have a couple weeks after our event in Boise.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm actually kind of hoping to maybe hop up to Montana and do a little bit of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did a lot when I was at James Madison.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, during the COVID times, you know, it was, it was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as two, wait, wait, wait, they started really doing the fly fishing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as it james Madison, my once he made Walker, Chris, and we just go on Saturdays, but it was like Friday night, we'd be out with each other, you know, like partying would be like, hey, we're going to get up.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to leave at six from go fly fishing and it keep both of us in check.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the book end.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, look, I got to be, I got to be well enough to like make our six o'clock like leave to go out into the mountains and, you know, inevitably six o'clock turn into six thirty or seven, but like it was kind of a really good as a good way of like stopping bad habits by creating a new one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which I think is a really good way of, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of people think about like if I want to start eating better like I need to stop eating like junk food if I want to stop drinking coke like I'd probably shouldn't be drinking coke zero you know I need to just stop but really you could start by like if I want to stop drinking coke let me put a
[SPEAKER_00]: water intake like I need to hit a gallon of water before I could have a coke.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then that time you drink a gallon of water a day, you're like so high, you're like, I need to drink anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not even thirsty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: See, the coke goes out the window.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, dude, Neil, I appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for your time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And thanks for a really fun video that we made together.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're going to like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm super excited to see it come out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And thanks for thinking of me and I hope you guys enjoyed Pittsburgh and your time here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, I've been looking forward to the video for a very long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually, I had the like super lucky moment where I was in Colorado a month before the, the, the, that was the U.S.
[SPEAKER_01]: Am.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was in August.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think M is an August.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So July fourth weekend, I came to Colorado.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, I love to play golf ended up getting on Cherry Hills and Colorado golf club.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it was really even cooler for me to like watch your, you know, round there and having just played it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought Cherry Hills is such a great golf.
[SPEAKER_00]: Such an amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's really stood the test of time and how the members
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they really bind to the history there, which I think is just amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's such a high quality club.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, a perfect place to host at US, USander.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, too, you would have enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a golf course that used to host it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the second golf course the first time they had it there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was called Common Ground.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a public municipal course right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great golf course.
[SPEAKER_00]: I played there like a couple of days before the amateur, because I wanted to get used to the elevation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's a cool place.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's talked about a community and a community that really brings people together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, totally what you were talking about earlier, like their caddy program is like super, you know, it's like, it's like creating opportunities for people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, on a piece of grass.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's, I mean, that's what the game's all about.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, thanks Dale.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fun, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pleasure, guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.