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[SPEAKER_01]: Just baseball, show Jack McMullen and Peter Apple here guiding you through on this beautiful week of baseball where the awards races are starting to heat up a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You fired up for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very fired up for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have races that are just incredible right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so glad we're focusing in because the season is flying by.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got a little over a month left.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to start here with the American League East right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to talk about a division race at the moment, even though there's a five game cushion for the top spot before we get into the individual awards races here, I want to start with the AL East because to me, it's fascinating.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you just had a four game set over the weekend in the Bronx between the Red Sox and the Yankees and the Red Sox.
[SPEAKER_01]: They took three the front four.
[SPEAKER_01]: You already won the series.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yankees got the win on Sunday night baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: They beat up Dustin Mac.
[SPEAKER_01]: As it stands right now, Toronto was second in the American League East, or Boston part in the second the American League East, or five back to the Toronto Blue Jace, where it topped the division.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Yankees are a half game back at the Boston Red Sox.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yankees are one six to the last ten.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were hot before Boston came to town.
[SPEAKER_01]: Boston five and five over the last ten.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to start with Toronto and then get to what happened over the weekend in Yankees Red Sox, because you just got a live look at Toronto in Miami for just baseball day at Londy Pope Park, which was awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for coming out to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are insanely gritty.
[SPEAKER_01]: It really didn't register for me how nauseating it must be to face the Toronto Blue Jays until I just watched them uninterrupted for three games this weekend.
[SPEAKER_00]: really, really deep team.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you got a live look at Shane Bieber, so I'm really excited for us to dive in to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: The addition to that to the rotation because we can even start with the rotation now.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had Gosman, they had burios.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bassett has been struggling and Eric Lauer has been incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they could certainly have used an ace at the top of the rotation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the blue jays were one of the only teams to actually go get an ace caliber pitcher.
[SPEAKER_00]: They really were the only one during this deadline getting Shane Bieber.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there was a risk there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bieber has and how to start since the beginning of twenty twenty four.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think what are you going to get for him?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was April second twenty twenty four was five hundred and seven days between starts.
[SPEAKER_01]: and look what he did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Six innings, one run, nine strikeouts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that Marlon's offense is frisky.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not some easy, easy matchup, especially on the road in Miami.
[SPEAKER_00]: What did you see?
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw a guy that like really didn't skip a beat after missing a year and a half because of Tommy John surgery.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is the vague and overarching way of putting it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The more in-depth way of putting it is secondaries are never that good on the heels of Tommy John surgery.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you see the velocity tick more often than not.
[SPEAKER_01]: You see the velocity tick because you're feeling a little bit more fresh and you feel like your maximum output is a bit higher with a new ligament.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what you are missing is the feel of that previous one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how to describe it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like a
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think golf gloves do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like wearing new work gloves.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, you're so accustomed to the feel of something when you're doing landscaping, then all of a sudden you get new gloves and it's like, oh, I got to adjust the feel here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or you know what it is?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's driving a new car.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what the compass.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I've been driving a jetta for the last eight years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Car got totaled in September of twenty-twenty-two.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I test drove a bunch of different cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got tried a Nissan.
[SPEAKER_01]: I tried a Honda.
[SPEAKER_01]: I tried a Toyota.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it just didn't feel like a Jetta.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then I went back to the VW spot and I was like, I want a Jetta and I just did that because it felt like what it used to feel like.
[SPEAKER_01]: For Shane Bieber, for everybody coming off at Tommy John surgery, you're throwing with a new UCL, the feel of your secondaries, your breaking balls, your change ups, your splits.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just going to be a little different because you're effectively throwing with a new elbow on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he looked like he was throwing with his old UCL.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was throwing with his old elbow and he just happened to be up to three ticks.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was sitting about ninety two ninety three.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was pulsing up to about ninety four.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the slider was disgusting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything that came out of his hand looked perfectly executed.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was as impressive as start coming back from Tommy John surgery as I think there's ever been.
[SPEAKER_00]: And not only is that enormous for the rest of the regular season, but luckily for the blue jays, they already have a five game lead.
[SPEAKER_00]: So even if they never added Shane Bieber, and what I mean by that is if you couldn't make any more starts in the regular season, who is just for the playoffs, they'd be fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: But now every fit day, you're getting an ace caliber pitcher.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when we get to the postseason where starting pitching is as important as ever,
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Gaussman is the two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, burioces the three versus them being the one two.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the jays get really scary not only in the regular season, but even scarier in the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to use your car analogy for the lineup.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Yankees have a Ferrari in Aaron Judge, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But the blue jays have seven BMWs?
[SPEAKER_00]: with Vladimir Gro, Jr.
[SPEAKER_00]: possibly being the Porsche, maybe not quite the Ferrari, but in the same breath, Boba Shet is leading Major League Baseball in hits, Dolan Varsho, since he came back from injury, has put up a one thirty three WRC plus, which means he's thirty three percent better than league average.
[SPEAKER_00]: typically have a solid lineup, but this is the deepest it has ever been.
[SPEAKER_00]: Only at the bottom of the lineup are you seeing two guys in Nathan Lucas and Andreas Hemenas who are below one hundred, which means they are below a league average hitter, but that's okay when, of course, Andreas Hemenas is a platinum glove level defender.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's no real outs in the lineup.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great base running team.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're a good defensive team.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I liked the term you used.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are a nuisance.
[SPEAKER_00]: The floors are a nuisance.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's this brand of baseball that's just overwhelming to other teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a big reason why the blue jays are a top, the American League East.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they got two people fighting for second two people or two teams fighting for American League Wild card spots and the Red Sox and the Yankees.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got a couple of minutes here.
[SPEAKER_01]: What did you think about the weekend as a whole?
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously the Red Sox dominated the weekend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sunday night baseball was the one with the most eyes on it and the Yankees did dominate Dustin May in that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll start like my takeaway was Roman is here and ready for this rivalry.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a fun wrinkle here where you have the next young superstar inserted into this rivalry and he makes an immediate impact.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, the Roman Empire is going to be a problem for the rest of the American League East and the rest of baseball for a very long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Breggman is also just such a perfect hitter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, his swing is just perfectly geared for Fenway Park and, you know, whether he's playing on the road or at home, it doesn't really matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just so sound.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, of course, you have Jared Rand, Carlos Nervias was running through a bit of a, you know, a struggle fest there for a while, but he looked a little bit better.
[SPEAKER_00]: The red socks line up and then they're bullpen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we talk about Chapman with a one zero eight ERA.
[SPEAKER_00]: He refuses to go away, but how about Wysert?
[SPEAKER_00]: How about Wilson?
[SPEAKER_00]: How about Whitlock?
[SPEAKER_00]: All the W's getting it done.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're turning into W's.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when you have Gary Crochet at the top of the rotation, we're going to talk about the American League Saoyang in a bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Another seven inning, one run, eleven strikeout performance against the Yankees.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's now thrown twenty seven innings.
[SPEAKER_00]: or excuse me, twenty seven, what is Gary Crochet stats against the Yankees real quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's got twenty one and a third, twenty seven strikeouts, a two nine five ERA.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when three, when three gives you six inning shuddy,
[SPEAKER_00]: The Yankees are expected to win.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when Brian Bale goes seven shuddy, that's when you get a one zero win from the Red Sox, the lone run driven in by Connor Wong.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a pretty embarrassing series.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now the Yankees dropped to two and eight against the Red Sox this season.
[SPEAKER_00]: On Sun and I baseball was their first nationally televised win against the Red Sox.
[SPEAKER_00]: And against the Blue Jays, they're three and seven.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yankees are seventeen and twenty two against the division if they just went five hundred against both the red socks and the blue jays Yankees might be leading it but they aren't because they're going up against these teams and they're losing
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, they are certainly losing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say testament to the red socks, so I've just been slating on rehab right now with Triple A Worcester.
[SPEAKER_01]: And oh, by the way, it's been over a month since a raul this Chapman allowed his last hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like Chapman's been hurt.
[SPEAKER_01]: A raul this Chapman, the last hit against him was on July, twenty-third in Philadelphia.
[SPEAKER_01]: This guy has gone a month without allowing a base hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's your ALE stock.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got two wild guard teams right behind Toronto.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back on the just baseball show.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we talked about the American League East on the just baseball show here, Jack McMillan, Peter Apple.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we got to talk about the American League MVP because it is getting very, very tight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Calquattro, not Calquattro.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just looked at the jersey in the back of your in the back of your screen.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, congrats on the move to Chicago.
[SPEAKER_00]: The signed Colorado Rockies Quantral jersey.
[SPEAKER_00]: That might be.
[SPEAKER_00]: worth more than my entire Chicago apartment right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look how beautiful it is that could in the year in judge painting from our guy Kyle Taylor, who is just excellent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Cal Raleigh, not Cal Quantrol, the new Braves Ace, Cal Raleigh, just set the record for most homers ever hit by a catcher in a single season.
[SPEAKER_01]: He passed up Salvador Perez.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next stop is fifty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the next stop is sixty for Cal Raleigh, and he's making this thing really darn interesting, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know Judge Miss some time with the UCL issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know he's still de-aching, but man,
[SPEAKER_01]: where are you at right now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because this was a conversation in April, this was a conversation in May, tapered off a little bit, and here at the end of August, we're still having this conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that should send shivers down Yankee fans and judge backers fights.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we're going to have this conversation until the last day of the regular season.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how close it is, both of these players have the same exact fan graphs war at seven point three.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, we can dive further into the numbers, but a couple of cool, more stats about Cal Raleigh, and this comes to us from Peyton, aka Big League analysis on social media.
[SPEAKER_00]: If Cal Raleigh hits one more home run from the right side, he'll become the first switch hitter ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: to have at least twenty homeruns from both sides of the plate.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's also five homeruns away from the all time switch hitter record.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mickey Mannell back in nineteen sixty one with fifty four.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now Mannell did hit thirty nine from the left side.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it wasn't exactly an even distribution by cow.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's no doubt about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cow Raleigh is putting up the most prolific season.
[SPEAKER_00]: slugging wise by a catcher in MLB history.
[SPEAKER_00]: He passed Salvador Perez, who at forty eight homerons back in twenty twenty one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jack.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking at the end of August.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is an, oh, he just passed him.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's so cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cal has so much more to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I wanted to bring up the all-time switch hitter stats.
[SPEAKER_00]: But here's the thing what I keep going back to about this race.
[SPEAKER_00]: The slugging has been unbelievable, right, from Cal Rally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Judges slugging, six, sixty-nine, compared to Cal Rally at five, ninety-three.
[SPEAKER_00]: Judge has about a ninety percent or ninety point lead in batting average.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got nearly a hundred point lead in O BP, hundred fifty point lead in OPS.
[SPEAKER_00]: You look at OPS plus it's not that close.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's tough because clearly the better bat has been Aaron Judge, but here's another wrinkle in this whole thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Aaron Judge, since he heard his elbow, has a seven seventy five OPS.
[SPEAKER_00]: But here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: CalRoll in the second half has a seven seventy one OPS.
[SPEAKER_00]: So both of these guys are having incredible seasons, but as the season unfolds, nobody wants to grab it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: When I look at something like wind probability added, and that's something that I do really factor into an MVP discussion.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure how many people are truly factoring that into an MVP discussion, because it is an advanced metric, and it's kind of a Homer and OPS award.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when I look at wind probability added, showhail, Tony's number one, Freddie Freeman is number two.
[SPEAKER_00]: But here's where you even continue that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just the fact that those two are at the top of the stat that you love.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're in pretty good company.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in really good company.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and I will tell you the bottom for the sake of this one qualified hitters.
[SPEAKER_01]: Matt McLean, Nick Castellanos and Philly Brian Reynolds in Pittsburgh.
[SPEAKER_01]: As the all bees down there as well, Eric Wagonen down there, Yiner Diaz down there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's keep Ryan Hayes.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of pirates are former pirates down there, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Shocker.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but Otani and Freeman are one and two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jose Ramirez and Vlad A. Jr.
[SPEAKER_01]: are five and six.
[SPEAKER_01]: Soto is seven.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tatis is eight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cal Raleigh is number three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Aaron judges number four.
[SPEAKER_01]: So these two are effectively stacked in win probability added.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason I care about that is it kind of gives you the best idea of who factors the most into their team winning baseball games.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think to the naked eye, you would be assuming, oh, the catch, right, the catcher with fifty homers this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Win probability added back sit up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously not by much because Aaron Judge, what he has done is generational offensively.
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, I will make the same case that I made in May on this show.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to reward the best catcher season of all time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And at the end of the day, he is willing his team to a postseason spot as a catcher.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know Brian Wu has been awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know Julio Rodriguez after the break has been one of the best players in Major League Baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the only constant for them, and there are team with legitimate World Series aspirations.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only constant aside from woo going six is Cal Raleigh hidden daggers, and I think that has to matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: You referenced wind probability added, and it certainly is one of the better advanced metrics.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can we simplify it all the way down as well?
[SPEAKER_00]: Could we just look at batting average for a second and now?
[SPEAKER_00]: Before I even start this, I can already.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can already read the comments.
[SPEAKER_00]: How can you go to batting average?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would you say that?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not the end, I'll be all.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could delete your comments.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying this is the answer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: The lowest batting average to ever win an MVP was actually Showhail Tony when he had two fifty seven.
[SPEAKER_00]: He also pitched though, which I think is interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: The lowest batting average for just a position player to ever win MVP was Marty Marion back in nineteen forty four when he hit two sixty seven.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it's a lot harder to hit now.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know that in major league baseball, love it or hate it, three trowel comes our lives.
[SPEAKER_00]: Guys don't care as much about batting average.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the league wide batting average back in nineteen forty four was two sixty two.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Marion was just slightly above that average.
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing is, the leak wide batting average right now in Major League Baseball is two forty-six.
[SPEAKER_00]: CalRollies hitting two forty-seven.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, there are some advanced numbers that would certainly point to CalRollie.
[SPEAKER_00]: But can we really give an MVP to a guy sitting below two fifty?
[SPEAKER_01]: And that I think is the real litmus test to see how much batting average matters anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the same deal with RBI's.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to hit a point where somebody has eighty driven in.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other guy has a hundred and twenty-five driven in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the guy with eighty could be having the better season in more deserving of the MVP.
[SPEAKER_01]: How much do RBI's matter?
[SPEAKER_01]: In a toss-up, we're going to find out if things like batting average matters.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to find out if things like pure home run total matters.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to find out if war matters and right now they're dead even right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Try and put on your blinders and look to the end of October, beginning in November.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's the MVP closing my eyes?
[SPEAKER_00]: Who is the MVP?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm a little bit worried about Aaron Judge Zelba.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not as worried about Carl Raleigh's seven seventy five OPS right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do feel like eventually.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners have a better chance of catching the Astros versus the Yankees catching the Blue Jays or the Red Sox.
[SPEAKER_00]: If the Mariners do catch them, Cal Rally wins MVP.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Cal Rally, and again, I stand by this being the best catcher season of all time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we need to give that its flowers.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a tight race until the very end.
[SPEAKER_01]: It cannot wait to watch it back in a moment on the just baseball show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just baseball, so Jack McMillan, Peter Apple, we want to talk about Paul Schienz.
[SPEAKER_01]: He started the good old Roku game on Sunday morning.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the game that starts at what noon I want to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, Jen Powell had to play.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see the Empire scorecard?
[SPEAKER_01]: Jen Powell was excellent in the mid to high nineties in both balls and strikes.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's been crushing it so far.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really cool to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's been crushing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Paul Schienz did start in a four nothing went for the pirates over the Rockies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Schienz goes seven scoreless.
[SPEAKER_01]: or he hits no walks, seven k's.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was Paul schemes is fiftieth career major league start.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Paul schemes through fiftieth major league starts has a two point O to E R right.
[SPEAKER_01]: The exact numbers through fiftieth career start schemes in two hundred and ninety four innings.
[SPEAKER_01]: has three hundred and fifty one punchouts, a two-o-two we are a and a whip walks it hits per innings pitched of zero point nine for the only guy in the live ball era which began in nineteen twenty with a better earned run average to fifty major league starts to open a career vital blue in the late sixties early seventies vital blue is one of those guys that you can read about in books on books on books and you realize he was as electric as they came
[SPEAKER_01]: But some of the big hitting guys, you think about Fernando Valenzuela, you think about Doc Gooden, you think about these ridiculous starts that we have seen to a career.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only guy by run prevention that has been better through the first fifty major league starts of their career in the live ball era.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the last a hundred and five years is white a blue.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was at two point, oh, one through fifty starts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Paul schemes is at two point, oh, two.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was funny because I was having this conversation with Gabby Sanchez on the Marlins Radio Broadcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I asked him, when did you realize that there was a generational picture here?
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it in his major league debut?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you have to see ten major league starts?
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, honestly, when he was throwing in Omaha in college at LSU.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then that got my brain turning.
[SPEAKER_01]: It got the gears turning in my head.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought, who do I know is going to be awesome in college?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's really not many schemes you had the idea because he was overpowering.
[SPEAKER_01]: People love Chase Burns, who's now in Cincinnati.
[SPEAKER_01]: Burns was not skis.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had to go back to a couple of guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: I went back to Adley Ruchman at Oregon State.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we knew that he was going to be really darn good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you go to, for me, the early to mids, two thousand or twenty ten short stops in Dan's B. Swanson, when it was a Vanderbilt and Alex Breggman at LSU.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those were really the only guys that jumped out to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: All schemes like this is a generational talent.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are seeing the next all-time great pitching career unfold.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we've been fully attentive to the first fifty starts of his major league career.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just amazing to think about, yeah, we knew this was possible in college and we knew this was likely that he was going to be really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no world where we were thinking he was going to be this good this quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love what Gabby said because our eyes immediately tell us how good Paul schemes is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember what he was through, twelve, fifteen starts in his rookie year and you came to the table.
[SPEAKER_00]: It might have even been earlier than that and you said,
[SPEAKER_00]: This guy is already the best pitcher in baseball.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, my brain, who is saying, what about the guys who have been eating innings forever?
[SPEAKER_00]: What about even school bull, just put up that great year or wheeler who is such a damn good pitcher?
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you watch and pitch, how easy it is for him to dominate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your eyes tell you he's the best pitcher in baseball.
[SPEAKER_00]: And since he debuted, the eyes and the numbers are the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has the lowest ERI, you noted it, two out two.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the lowest since he debuted among all current pitchers right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So ever since he stepped foot on the mound in Major League Baseball, this has been the best pitcher when it comes to run prevention and his ability to just pick up certain pitches.
[SPEAKER_00]: and come into the game and use them and have them be a lead offerings.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think about his change up, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: His change up was not very prevalent in college.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know he mixed it in occasionally, but it wasn't the Paul schemes pitch that we were watching.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then last year during his rookie year, those had about a hundred and fifteen times, which equated to about five percent of his usage, opponents had under a hundred against it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then this year he ups that to ten percent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Opponents are hitting under a hundred against it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I could just go through all of those pitches.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's so many stories with all of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: He pinpoints everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's also the bravado on the mound.
[SPEAKER_00]: As soon as he stepped foot, you said, that's a nice, just the way he carries himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like these crazy levers.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not full extension.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks easy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's easy for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like he's playing a different sport.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little crossfire is, actually a lot of crossfire ish, which creates that deception.
[SPEAKER_01]: But at the end of the day, he's six, six, two, fifteen.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's throwing a hundred miles an hour.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, we can say, oh, it's the minute aspects of his delivery and the intricacies there that throw off a hit or enough from the standard characteristics of, you know, a big body and pitcher.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's really cool at all, but like,
[SPEAKER_01]: He throws a hundred and he's got seven pitches now that he can go to and they seem to be spawning at any given time.
[SPEAKER_01]: When we when it's all said and done, is this guy a top ten pitcher of all time?
[SPEAKER_00]: That is such a hard question because there are so many legends in the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there are also so many pictures that throughout history are just going to dwarf him in innings, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is the way that these pictures are handled nowadays.
[SPEAKER_00]: And especially with the guy throwing his heart as he does.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to put him in that same breath,
[SPEAKER_00]: of those guys who have thrown thousands and thousands of innings, like will he ever be able to compile the numbers that Randy Johnson or Roger Clemens were able to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what I think we're going to talk about at the end of Scenes' career is using current data is he has talented as some of those pictures, some of the best of all time.
[SPEAKER_00]: The numbers are the numbers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Best start through fifty starts.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if he was going to start getting compared to those guys, it would make sense to start talking about it after the greatest fifty starts to start a career outside of Ida Blue.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think that's a crazy question to ask because again, our eyes are telling us beyond the numbers.
[SPEAKER_00]: This guy is different.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to answer your question, I don't know if the numbers will be there, but the talent certainly is.
[SPEAKER_00]: hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we'll be back in a moment here on the just baseball show.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we just talked about Paul schemes in his legacy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was the National Enrique of the Year in twenty twenty four.
[SPEAKER_01]: In twenty twenty five.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's much more than two horse race last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were talking about two generational rookies and Paul schemes and Jackson Merrill who put up a five and a half win season for the San Diego Padres.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's wide open right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Isaac Collins of Milwaukee Brewers, Kate Horton at some books just became the odds on favor to the Chicago Cubs, the right-handed pitcher who has been amazing since the All Star Break.
[SPEAKER_01]: Drake Baldwin of the Atlanta Braves.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are more guys in the conversation for the National League rookie the year.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got about ten minutes here to hash this all out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you put together like the case for the three four guys you feel like are actually in this hunt?
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's go over the odds first, just to quantify what the books are telling us.
[SPEAKER_00]: So your right, Kate Horton is now the new favorite on bed MGM at about plus one forty, which means the implied odds of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bed MGM is saying they're giving them about a forty two percent chance of winning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Isaac Collins said about plus one eighty around thirty five percent Drake Baldwin at two to one about thirty three point three percent in a furious why those don't add up to a hundred percent well the books have to make some money it's called the whole that's their profit margin so they're not exactly going to equal one hundred percent but before i make the case can i make a case against
[SPEAKER_00]: because here's my issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kate Horton again is now the new favorite, him being the favorite for nationally rookie of the year, respectfully is a total sham.
[SPEAKER_00]: I say respectfully because I don't want this to come off as if I dislike Kate Horton.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about him plenty of times on the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've praised him relentlessly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's one of the better young pictures in the league with a really bright future.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you look at the rookie landscape in the national league, there's just no way he should be the favorite.
[SPEAKER_00]: What this is reminding me of is Cubs fans running to the sports books to bet Kate Horton.
[SPEAKER_00]: For one, Horton has thrown ninety three innings this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's likely going to make six more starts.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we should be around based on that math, hundred twenty five to a hundred and thirty innings.
[SPEAKER_00]: He'd be the first starter since Dave forgetty in nineteen eighty one to win rookie of the year with less than a hundred and thirty innings.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we're getting his competition were two starters.
[SPEAKER_00]: who threw fewer than eighty innings and Rich Gedman, who put up a seven fifty one OPS over sixty two games.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gedman finished second.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the level of competition.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now schemes won it last year with a hundred and thirty three innings, but he struck out a hundred and seventy batters with a one nine sixty R.A.
[SPEAKER_00]: just on different planets.
[SPEAKER_01]: Respectfully, there is a difference between a one nine and a two eight hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_00]: And just continuing, Collins and Baldwin both play the majority of the season so far, both are at least twenty percent better than the league average hitter by both OPS plus and WRC plus.
[SPEAKER_00]: Collins is a two point eight war compared to Horton at one point zero.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's looking at baseball reference.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not close.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it goes even farther, just among starters, nationally starters, we're rookies, Chad Patrick for Milwaukee has more innings, more strikeouts, a higher war.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, he's got a three six zero ERAC bear to Horton at two eight eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Patrick has the better fit and the only reason I bring him up is his odds aren't even offered on bad MGM because he's been in AAA for the last month and a half and still has more innings.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when we're talking about innings, remember I said he has about six more starts left?
[SPEAKER_00]: One is last shot out outing against the angels, which he was awesome, six shuddy, pulled after seventy four innings.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or seventy four in pitches.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, seventy four pitches.
[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me.
[SPEAKER_00]: He left his last star with a blister.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is something to monitor.
[SPEAKER_00]: And his career high in innings in the minors is eighty eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: His final year at Oklahoma, he threw fifty four.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the cubs, they need a three starter in the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you can say that's tion after boy did and showed him inaga.
[SPEAKER_00]: But based on the town level, you probably wanted to be Horton.
[SPEAKER_00]: So coming off a blister, already at his career high in innings, and they need him for the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I say to get to this threshold of one thirty, but he might not even get there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for me,
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way Kate Horton should be the favorite.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, crazier has happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do love Kate Horton.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cubs fans don't come for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: This has nothing to do with Kate Horton, the talent.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he is going to be, again, one of the better young pictures in baseball for a very long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for right now, this is a two-horse race.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Horton doesn't deserve to be in this category.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now on talent, of course he does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Based on the body of work, now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yet, he is the odds on favor to win national league rookie the year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it reminds me of the quick spike you saw on Jake and Miserowski, and then when he hit the IL, it just kind of went away.
[SPEAKER_01]: My thing with Horton, I'm with you like this is a
[SPEAKER_01]: reduction.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is an output based award, the rookie of the year.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's based on what you did over the course of the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there are very few people that can play fewer than a hundred games or fewer than a hundred and twenty innings that can win this award.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you do that, your production needs to outweigh the counting numbers that you have amassed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think about your Don Alvarez, your Don Alvarez won the rookie of the year.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he only played in what eighty or ninety games at that point.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not over as one the American League Rookie of the Year he played in eighty seven games, but he hit three thirteen with twenty seven homers at a ten sixty seven OPS.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there you go, like the results outweigh the sample, but there needs to be a marriage of results and sample.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Horton has results, he doesn't necessarily have sample.
[SPEAKER_01]: Two guys that have results and sample right now are Isaac Collins of the Milwaukee Brewers in Drake Baldwin of the Atlanta Braves.
[SPEAKER_01]: And before I ask you where you skew, I want to put together the case for Collins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Collins is playing meaningful baseball every single night.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's on the best team in Major League Baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: Collins has played fourteen more games than Drake Baldwin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now Baldwin's a catcher.
[SPEAKER_01]: Collins has a higher OPS at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's a better defender at his position than it seems like Baldwin is at his.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Baldwin's an okay catcher.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a pretty good defensive catcher.
[SPEAKER_01]: Collins is a very good corner outfielder.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the question much like the American League MVP becomes what do you value?
[SPEAKER_01]: The catcher who's been awesome or the corner outfielder who's been probably a bit better.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then voters are human.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why we bring up team success.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whether you agree with that listening or not, the voters are the voters.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the voters are going to look at a guy in Isaac Collins who likely has the higher war, even if Baldwin catches him in OPS, it's going to be very close.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what are they going to say?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Drake Baldwin has been playing for the Braves and look how much of his disaster that season was.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the Brewers are going to finish with the best record of baseball.
[SPEAKER_00]: And doesn't I as a Collins kind of symbolize the Brewers season in a way?
[SPEAKER_00]: Next man up, Guy wouldn't expect to be as good as he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're gonna buy into that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: And because Drake Baldwin, who I think has the better bat, when I'm talking about pure talent, regardless of the results this year, like moving forward, I think Drake Baldwin is the better player.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if we're looking at the numbers this season, we're looking at team success.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're gonna go with Isaac Holmes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I think right now,
[SPEAKER_00]: from my folks who are looking at bed MGM.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Collins is a good bet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love Drake Baldwin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I think he's going to be a better player along term.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for right now, if it's tied, tied, tied goes to the better team.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not even tied.
[SPEAKER_00]: Isaac Collins has a slightly in both.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in my opinion, the way I would slice the odds right now is I would go Collins then Baldwin.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess Horton, but I have a couple others who I think are like Matt Shaw, his teammate has been so much better in the second half.
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, not as many games played.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's other guys who deserve a shout here as well, but I still think it's too horse race, even though the betting odds don't reflect it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm credit to some of the rookies, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Augustiner Miras has eighteen homers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jacob Marcy has been unbelievable, but he won't play the number of games.
[SPEAKER_01]: Need out, like it really doesn't seem like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is just fascinating to look at here, and I love the point you bring up, because you're not rewarding who you think is the best player.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't think anybody is saying, Isaac Collins is gonna be the best guy from this rookie class.
[SPEAKER_01]: Isaac Collins is six years older than Drake Baldwin is.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's six years older than Kate Horton is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a matter of who put together the best twenty twenty five season to win the twenty twenty five nationally group of years.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Collins is your pick and you're not thinking twice about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking twice because of how much I love Drake Baldwin.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm still picking Collins.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, stamping.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely Collins.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just stamping.
[SPEAKER_00]: Say it's definitely not Horton.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then if I were to split hairs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Give me eyes of Collins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's Kate Horton.
[SPEAKER_01]: Isaac Collins and Drake Baldwin, they're the three atop the National League Rookie of the Year Conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: The American League, it's all but wrapped up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nick Kurtz is a superstar blossoming in front of our very eyes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know what, credit to you, Nick Kurtz.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we are going to talk about another American League reward rate or award race in a moment that's the American League Sae Young.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stay with us on the Just Baseball Show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another tight conversation, a top in award race in Major League Baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the just baseball show, Jack McMullen, Peter Apple for this week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Garrett Crochet, Tarrick Schoolball.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is power on power in terms of the American League's Sigh Young Award right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the pricing out of this very moment because you got Crochet and Schoolball going back and forth, back and forth right now?
[SPEAKER_00]: Mike Tyson is a minus one twenty-favorite aka Terriq Scoobl and a vendor holy field is minus one ten aka Garrett Crochet again.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're wondering why both are over fifty percent, God would count for the hold of the sports book, the profit margin is built into those odds.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's real close.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to actually hear your top line prediction because I went through the six starts that both of them have remaining.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think when you look at those six starts, a name starts to rise at the top.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I know the Yankees have a bit of a cakewalk the rest of the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the Red Sox schedule looks like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember, it's not just, it's not just the Red Sox schedule.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like Garrett Crochet's specific starts that he's going to go up against and Eric Scooble's specific starts that he's going to go up against.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so schoolable, just giving you the rundown right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Twenty five starts.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's eleven and three with a two three two ERA, hundred and fifty nine and a third innings.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's punched out two hundred and walked twenty five.
[SPEAKER_01]: Garrett Crochet, meanwhile, he's fourteen and five through twenty six starts with a two three eight ERA and a hundred and sixty six and a thirty's punched out two hundred and seven and walked
[SPEAKER_01]: So Crochet has the edge in innings and strikeouts just by a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Scooble has the slight edge in ERA as it stands right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's any underlying voter bias about not wanting to vote for a guy in back to back years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if Scooble was the best pitcher of the American League, he would win back to back ALS.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's something about the way Crochet is pitching as of late that just feels overwhelmingly dominant.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know that school has been that guy all year long, but it almost feels like Crochet has leveled up to a certain extent.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Crochet, his last time out, seven innings a one run ball, he punched out eleven.
[SPEAKER_01]: Before that, seven innings a one-run ball, he punched out eights.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had that blip in Houston, but before that, seven innings a two-run ball, he stayed eights, and before that six innings a two-run ball, he stayed ten.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's clockwork every single time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like when I look down the line, and I feel like we have this conversation in three months, I think we're talking about a garic crochet siong award to be totally honest with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really going to be difficult to deny Crochet the American League's sowing if he wins the triple crown.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what I mean by that is the R.A.
[SPEAKER_00]: innings and strikeouts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because like I said, both have six starts remaining.
[SPEAKER_00]: Crochet has about a seven inning lead and a seven strikeout lead.
[SPEAKER_01]: Common miss a common mistake you see.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not innings.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's part of the pitching triple crown.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what it is?
[SPEAKER_01]: What is that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Wins.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's got the lead wins?
[SPEAKER_01]: Crochet is living the American League in wins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so you might just win the triple crowd anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, however you want to phrase it, what I think is most important, what I even think the voters are coming to now is innings ERA and strikeouts.
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's go through their six remaining starts and you start to see a path of how tarick school can lower that ERA enough to give them the win here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Crochet is going to go up against the Orioles and his next start.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Guardians, the A's, the Yankees, the Reyes, and then the Tigers.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are some tough starts in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are some easy ones.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that's an average schedule moving forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Terrick Scooble.
[SPEAKER_00]: As we're recording this, he's going up against the A's, then the Royals, then the White Sox, then the Marlins, and then the Guardians twice.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you might say, Guardians are a divisional matchup.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not too bad of an offense.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've seen scooble plenty of times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can they get to them?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, scooble has a nine inning shot at it against them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good play game.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a seven inning shot at against them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So do the real quick math in your head that zero earn runs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Twenty three strikeouts.
[SPEAKER_00]: He owns the Guardians and he gets them twice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, can the Guardians make an adjustment short.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when I look at the remaining schedule, you see a path to scuba, having a decently sized lead in ERA.
[SPEAKER_00]: But with the way crochet is pitching right now, does it matter the competition?
[SPEAKER_00]: The Yankees have the best WRC plus and baseball.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has twenty one endings against them with twenty seven strikeouts on a two nine five year.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that would be the counter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who cares about the schedule moving forward?
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's going to hit crochet?
[SPEAKER_00]: And among those guys that I named right with the Tigers, crush him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's Garrett Crochet.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm starting to lean towards crochet on this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: So my thought is nobody's going to crush anybody and I'm just thinking who's dominant looks more dominant for the rest of the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my working theory on this and I just feel like crochet's dominant is going to look a little bit more dominant than schoolable dominant looks.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why this is such an incredible race is because these two are two of the best in the game at what they do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, post it on Twitter, Mike Tyson versus a Vander Holyfield, Muhammad Ali for storage for Asia.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a slug fest.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a heavyweight fight to of the best at the top just going at each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why in my opinion, I almost think this is a little bit more fascinating than the American League MVP, even though both of those two players are unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but there's something cut and dry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like judge is besting Raleigh by a hundred and fifty OPS points.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is actually what's your flavor tonight chief?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to look a positional value.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to look at all these different things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, with these two guys, it's just two horses running down the track at full speed, who's going to win by zero point zero one seconds.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're both also we talked about judge and Raleigh at the beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Both are not playing all that well right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: But scuba and crochet are at the top of their game right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're becoming the best right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So going down the stretch, we're seeing the best, the best, pitch at the best.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why this is the most fascinating awards race in baseball right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have the path being a touch easier for scuba, but you have the trend being a touch better for crochet.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why who's your pick?
[SPEAKER_00]: I could hear an argument for either of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you like the crochet pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm also maybe a little bit biased.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do have an eleven to one ticket plus eleven hundred from the beginning of the season on crochet to lead the league and strikeouts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason I bet that over him winning the sai young, which is about seven to one at the time was the only way he wins the sai young is if he leaves major league baseball and strikeouts.
[SPEAKER_00]: He might be majorly baseball and strikeouts.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it might actually happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: So crochet again in school, in the very low twos as it stands right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we enter the home stretch.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is neck and neck between those two for the American League sion award.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got a young pitcher that broke out in a big way in Pittsburgh.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about that and wrap up the show when we come back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to talk about Baba Chandler.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy college football week one, everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kade Club Nick will get the start for Clemson against Notre Dame at Clemson this weekend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bubba Chandler could have very well been the starting quarterback for Clemson.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you didn't know, Bubba was an over-slot draft pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was signed away from my Clemson commitment.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a four-star quarterback recruited Davos Sweeney.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was also going to hit and pitch at Clemson.
[SPEAKER_01]: He opts to sign with the pirates.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a two-way player in Singale, and then he became one of the best in maybe the most electric pitching prospect in all the minor league baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: Native Lawrenceville, Georgia, third-round pick of the pirates in twenty twenty-one.
[SPEAKER_01]: He made his major league debut over the weekend.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was at home against the Colorado Rockies, and it was out of the bullpen.
[SPEAKER_01]: He went four innings of two-hit shutout ball, no walks.
[SPEAKER_01]: He punched out three, and he dialed it up to a hundred miles an hour.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think what people knew is that the fastball was really electric from Baba.
[SPEAKER_01]: What I didn't really understand until the first time I saw him live was just how electric it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a hundred and then there's a different looking a hundred and the pirates have two of those guys in Baba Chandler and Jared Jones who's unfortunate on the IEL right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are very few guys around the league that have that electric type of one hundred and I could make the argument that skeens doesn't have that electric type of one hundred because it doesn't carry to the top of the zone the way that Bubba's does or the way that Jared Jones does.
[SPEAKER_01]: Strider the peak of his power Spencer Strider has that, a hundred up top.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jacob Miserowski has that, a hundred up top.
[SPEAKER_01]: With Baba Chandler, you're getting the most electrifying young pitchers in the game here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Working out of the bullpen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did that tick you off a little bit that he's a long reliever right now?
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything about the pirates takes me off.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just laid it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a freak athlete.
[SPEAKER_00]: Could have played quarterback at Clemson, two-way guy starts focusing on pitching and this stuff is just outrageous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I know he's twenty-two years old.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's only they needed to call him up.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when the stuff plays, the stuff plays.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've taken ninety eight point four miles an hour on that fastball in his first start with seventeen inches of induced vertical break.
[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned a lot of starters.
[SPEAKER_00]: We just had Liam Hicks on the show and you were speaking with Liam Hicks with arm as well, talking about how Yuri might have the best fastball in Major League Baseball.
[SPEAKER_00]: You watch that guy throw that heater
[SPEAKER_00]: and your eyebrows perk up.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, whoa, it's like you're watching an explosion live on television.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's ninety seven point eight at about seventeen and a half inches.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very close.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there are times where that fastball could dominate so much where he could go one pitch.
[SPEAKER_00]: He could do a flick of the glove and say, here it comes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now these major league hitters can hit a bullet.
[SPEAKER_00]: So obviously that would be very challenging.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that speaks to how electric this pitch is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he is three other secondaries that he can work off it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now the strike out stuff wasn't quite there in his debut, which was a little bit weird, just because of the rockies.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I expect more.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's already thrown a ton of innings this year as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was his first start.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be a couple of jitters, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: The command wasn't perfect, even though he didn't walk about her, which I thought was really impressive.
[SPEAKER_00]: But to answer your original question, of course it did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything about the pirates, the way they're drafting, the way they're calling up these guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: What they did at the deadline.
[SPEAKER_00]: How was Baba Chandler a swing man?
[SPEAKER_00]: That stuff looks as good as any young pitcher already in baseball.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you got him in a swing man, roll.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's a reason the pirates are where they are.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really understand that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know that the tigers made the move to Jackson Joe last year as a relief option.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's different because the tigers were in the thick of a wildcard push at that point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pirates are not.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have all the time in the world to experiment with this guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to limit his innings,
[SPEAKER_01]: Why not just have him throw innings one through four, especially when he is going to be in the rotation for you moving forward and you hope for the next six years.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was just the weird part of that to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to see Bubba in the big leagues now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a long time coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could have made the argument that he should have broken camp.
[SPEAKER_01]: with the Pittsburgh Pirates.
[SPEAKER_01]: Instead, he was in AAA for five months longer than he probably should have been.
[SPEAKER_01]: But now you start to see the vision of Paul schemes and Bubba Chandler.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got one of the best prospects in all of Major League Baseball and Connor Griffin who just made his AA debut this week within the Pirates organization too.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you see these superstar adjacent talents coming up to compliment Paul schemes and they're still so far off.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for me,
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just excited for the last month of the season to just watch Bubba every fifth, sixth day, whenever he may, you know, come after a piggyback.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it really feels like we're seeing a very bright young career take off right now in Bubba, China.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what I will say real quickly is what the pirates will say.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the reason he's a swing man right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're already auditioning three young pictures, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: With Yolano Vado, Braxton Ashcraft, and Mike Burroughs.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they say, who are we kicking out?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because we're not going to sit, Mitch Keller.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's certainly not going to sit Paul schemes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's five.
[SPEAKER_00]: So who do you take out?
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go to his six-man rotation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we have to see this guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Start gains for the Pittsburgh Pirates.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pirates fans.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't they deserve anything?
[SPEAKER_00]: Bob Nutting, don't they deserve a little bit of happiness?
[SPEAKER_00]: They see probable starters, Bob, a Chandler.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're even gonna sell more tickets.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yet, a swing man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good luck.
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