[SPEAKER_00]: T-Boss's nickname of TLC had stuck with the Ilocation naming theme for the whole group.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now here are your hosts, Chris Akinson, Jeremy Scott, and Erin Dyson.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hello everybody, it is episode one hundred and seventy-six of Rekotopia.
[SPEAKER_03]: My name is Chris Akinson, joined by Jeremy Scott.
[SPEAKER_01]: Justice for Blunted.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And also, welcome Aaron Dicer, highly ho-apoccarino's.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And today's big recommend is a Bucklepto.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'd also like to welcome Chad, and who have come out here to watch us talk about movies on a Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_03]: We appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But let's get on to our small recommends.
[SPEAKER_03]: Aaron, what do you got?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's no big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so small and light.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's small.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's tiny.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's petite.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's weak.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our friend Jonathan recently released his favorite movies of all time, and so I added them to my watch list.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I watched one of them called Scarlet Street.
[SPEAKER_00]: Scarlet Street is, I think, in nineteen forty-five film, it is Stars Edward G. Robinson, Joan Bennett, Dan Durya.
[SPEAKER_00]: And basically this is a story of a man who is in a marriage he's not enjoying and who looks upon others who mess around in their marriages in some kind of positive light like, oh, what if I could find a fling and he finds this woman who seems to take an interest in him on the side.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is also a painter.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not going to leave the whole plot away, but I think some of this can be helpful to drawing you in.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a painter and his wife says he's terrible and but he loves doing and he's passionate about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you get a sense through the movie that he is becoming obsessed with this younger woman and she seems amenable to it, but we find out there's maybe more nefarious things at
[SPEAKER_00]: So the movie goes from there and is a really tight, interesting clever thriller that I had never heard of in him glad I watched.
[SPEAKER_00]: It surprisingly feels very modern for a nineteen forty five movie in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_00]: and the way that it deals with these themes and what happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: It goes in places you aren't expecting, which I always think is fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: And ends in a really, let's just say not the most silver linings happy go lucky place.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, this will be an interesting one to check out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's called Scarlet Street.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can check it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I watched it on HBO Max.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also on criterion, I believe.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's out there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had not heard of this for some reason.
[SPEAKER_03]: It has a name that seems like something that I should have heard of, but I have not.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to have to check it out myself.
[SPEAKER_03]: I read over John's list too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I probably kind of kind of glossed over it as I was going over his list, but yeah, that sounds very interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I definitely want to see that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I watched another, I watched a movie on one of the criterion discs that I have.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure you can find it on criterion as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's called May to One.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is a story of coal mining in West Virginia, Chris Cooper, and his film debut, I believe, in this one.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is directed by John Sayles, who's known for eight men out in Lone Star.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it is about this coal mine West Virginia where Chris Cooper is coming in as a, as I guess, under the cover of being just a regular guy looking for work out in this sit in this little town.
[SPEAKER_03]: What he's actually there for is to try to start a union.
[SPEAKER_03]: And back in the nineteen twenties I believe this is where this is set.
[SPEAKER_03]: Trying to create a union with a company that basically owns an entire town that is almost a death warrant.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to do it very carefully.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so he meets up with someone who's going to try to help them organize a guy play a man played by Bob Gootten who you know is the warden in shake shawshank redemption is the guy that helps him and then
[SPEAKER_03]: You have a contingent of black workers led by a guy named Fuclos, the Colin Fuclos, James Earl Jones plays that character.
[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, in trying to form a union, you have to get everybody on board.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't get
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, just a few and call yourself a union.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to like be able to get everybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's one of the struggles of trying to form a union is trying to get a bunch of white people to work with Italians and black people.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's like something that's really hard.
[SPEAKER_03]: to get where like everybody's got the same pay and the same benefits and all that other type of stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is something that is a big struggle.
[SPEAKER_03]: But meanwhile, you also have this company that owns this town, basically, that is definitely going to try everything that they can to make sure that they break up whatever union that we try to do a whole bunch of underhanded things to try to break up this union.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if that fails, then hey, maybe we'll bring out the guns, who knows?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a very interesting look at labor practices in the US.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it actually is based on a true story.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's very close to the true story.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like a hundred percent or anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: but it is one of those movies that's like, it's pretty close to what actually happened in this town back in the twenties.
[SPEAKER_03]: Chris Cooper, of course, is excellent in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: James Earl Jones always a welcome site.
[SPEAKER_03]: David Strithan shows up as the town sheriff in this one.
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of like, a lot of like actors who were like
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know they did stuff before this movie that I first saw them in or whatever like Mary McDonald is in this one as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: But this is a really good movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've had it in my collection for a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just the name of it has always sort of like
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... kept me away from it because it doesn't tell you what this movie is really about and and and i sat there and i i i was i was going through the collection is looking at this and i looked at the back of the the thing i was like oh this sounds really good so much to that day and uh... and so yeah very very good movie if you have not heard of this uh... seek it out i believe you will like it
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, you guys both chose to highly respected obscure older titles.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm recommending Superman.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not quite as obscure or old.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, back in the early hours, Ang Lee made a hole.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he tried to emulate a comic book.
[SPEAKER_01]: by doing panels of the, I don't know how much you guys remember the movie Hulk.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've probably watched it more and most of you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I found it really interesting, but ultimately distracting, and I think most people found it distracting.
[SPEAKER_01]: This Superman from James Gunn is the most feeling like I'm inside of a comic book superhero movie I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think what has put some people off of it is part of what I love about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's all the wild and sane stuff like anti-proton rivers and rifts in the dimensions and Kaiju.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that stuff is all over the comics, not just Superman, even, but
[SPEAKER_01]: particularly Superman, that stuff is really common and all the films prior to this have stripped that kind of stuff away.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think in the process, it made them feel more like movie movies rather than
[SPEAKER_01]: book movies or an insider comic book movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what to tell you other than this movie reached out and grabbed me with a hug and I have been thinking about it ever since David Cornswett is probably the most relatable Superman I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the movie
[SPEAKER_01]: twists a single tiny piece of Superman lore in a way that I think makes Superman more interesting than ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you haven't seen it, I'm not going to spoil it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I might have been in the bag already, just because I knew he had posted about all star Superman, which is a graphic novel that I have, or he fights Kaiju and goes to the sun and all kinds of weird shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also like Nicholas Halt.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he was
[SPEAKER_01]: pure evil in a way that we haven't really seen from Lex Luther before and the dynamic between the two of them more personal than it's been in the movies before.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy loved Superman.
[SPEAKER_01]: I already watched most of it again a second time last night.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Aaron and I might be the only people in the world that don't like this move.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I wouldn't say I didn't like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't say that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I was over the moon about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I have seen a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was a lot of nonsense in this that was just like any other comic book movie and I couldn't get past it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But still, that nonsense that people that I talk about are things that people really truly genuinely enjoy in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so who am I to say that you can't enjoy that or whatever?
[SPEAKER_03]: I wish I could be like you guys are like the like Jeremy and won't love this movie, but so far I have not gotten to that point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Although this has got to be the fastest I've ever seen a big huge blockbuster make it to it's not on HBO Max.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it did you buy it?
[SPEAKER_01]: I paid twenty five dollars on Amazon Prime.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, it's still a short window for a movie like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the shortest I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And his reason for it doesn't make any sense honestly because he said peacemaker ended up coming out season two earlier than he had planned and he wanted people to be able to enjoy a Superman before they go into peacemaker two which
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand how he has the power to push Superman to digital, but not hold piecemaker off for a month.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's so much about streaming that we don't understand.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's almost scary.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's almost scary.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there was an article about highest to lowest and how it, you know, the new Spike Lee movie, how it's
[SPEAKER_03]: getting it's cursory in theaters run so that it can get Oscar consideration but it's going to be on streaming as soon as you know it and I'm like
[SPEAKER_03]: Is this not a movie that you could have made fifty sixty million dollars on at least and and then did that same exact thing I don't know what's what's likely yeah what's what's the what's the harm in that like there seems to be they seem to think that it's like
[SPEAKER_03]: There's something about being in the theatrical window that hurt them and I don't know what it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like, you know, it's really getting silly out there, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's getting silly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Chris and I had similar feelings on this again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't hate it at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, there's a movie in here that I love as much as you do, Jeremy.
[SPEAKER_00]: All the Superman stuff worked like GameBusters for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rachel Bross and Hannah's lowest lane is inspired.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's a great choice.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Nicholas holds the best thing about the movie in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a sniveling venom to his version of this character that is really compelling.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I like the way it handles that relationship.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the stuff around it just seemed to be a little willy nilly silly for my taste and totally disparate enough that I felt shook back and forth.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also think it's a movie that's to be about something but never really takes the time to actually be about something it just kind of waves at a lot of modern issues and says see this is an issue without ever really taking a true point of
[SPEAKER_00]: view on it if that makes sense, at least as I watched it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But man, there are times during this movie where I'm like, yes, this is the Superman movie I want to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I totally get the motion behind it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because man, when it's cooking for me, it was cooking.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Alright, let's get on to our big recommend, and it was Aaron's choice, so Aaron, take it away.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm fine, I'm fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just that you're so big.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good rule, but it's bigger than rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's bigger on the inside.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I noticed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Apocalypse O is a two thousand and six action thriller made by hundreds of extremely talented craftspeople and performers, and directed by nobody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Onto the synopsis.
[SPEAKER_00]: The movie opens with a quote about how societies are destroyed from within a sadly outdated and no longer relevant sentiment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then it's on to a good old-fashioned pig hunt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Groups of tribesmen in the Yucatan are hurting a pig towards check-offs home alone style forest traps and having a great success.
[SPEAKER_00]: The kill gives way to a process of organ donation to those who need them, or those you want to make fun of by making them eat pig balls.
[SPEAKER_00]: It becomes clear every culture has its trolley youth.
[SPEAKER_00]: But afterwards, a more mature elder, Flint Sky, who we later find as the father of one of the youths, tries to help out with a leaf-based topical fertility solution.
[SPEAKER_00]: As the crew continues to cut up together, literally and figuratively, a rustling alerts them to another tribe in the woods.
[SPEAKER_00]: Things get tense as the strangers reveal themselves and want to offer some fish for safe passage through.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are apparently refugees looking for a new start, but with fear in their eyes.
[SPEAKER_00]: After returning back to the village, the father and son have a conversation about how fear can be an infectious disease.
[SPEAKER_00]: And an older woman presses blunted if he picked ball eater from before, to please go sex up her daughter because she wants those grandchildren.
[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, at Jaguar pause place, this is the son of the father, son duo.
[SPEAKER_00]: We see him, his pregnant wife seven, and his young son turtles run, enjoying some playtime before returning to find out that maybe the more mature father elder is not all that mature after all as his leaf suggestion is now burning blunted feathers.
[SPEAKER_00]: FYI, burning blunted feathers was the name of my high school scab and
[SPEAKER_00]: Around the community fires later that night, the tribe hears a story of a man's, excuse me, a story of man's inability to feed their holes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Jaguar paused unborn child dances to the drums in the womb of his mother.
[SPEAKER_00]: The next morning, J.P.
[SPEAKER_00]: O'Wakes from a night mirror inspired by the fear he saw on the traveling tribe.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that fear might be confirmed as a new group of hunters now stealthfully appear on the outskirts of the camp with fire and arrows.
[SPEAKER_00]: The invaders attack and burn the entire camp to the ground while killing and kidnapping the previously peaceful village.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jaguar Paul alerted by a dog's sudden silence, manages to get his family out and starts to lower them into a cave well for safety.
[SPEAKER_00]: He spotted by an invader who tries and then he tries to lower them faster as the attacker runs towards him, but eventually has to drop them to handle his business.
[SPEAKER_00]: The family survives the fall and JP promises them he will be back for them, but he has to go help first.
[SPEAKER_00]: He rushes back into the fray and gets the upper hand on one particularly nasty invader named Midalai, but at the last second, the boss invader, Zero Wolf, stops him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Later when the man he almost killed over hears him apologize to his father, he decides to slit Flint's guys throughout right in front of Jaguar Paul as punishment for almost killing him.
[SPEAKER_00]: He then gives him the nickname almost before knocking him out with a club.
[SPEAKER_00]: The next day as the invaders are packing up to leave with their prisoners, one of them catches Jaguar Paul glancing in the direction of the well and decides to check it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: He suspects something is up, but decides to just cut the rope leading into it and let it be.
[SPEAKER_00]: As they lead the adults out of the ashes of the camp, the children are left to fin for themselves, and we paned down to see seven in Turtles Runs still stuck in the well.
[SPEAKER_00]: During the transport, we see Zero Wolf, do some rocky stylized surgery on his son Cut Rock, middle-eye, shortures the sick and dying prisoners with Glee, and the kids can't follow the adults through a river crossing as a young girl promises to do her best to take care of the little ones.
[SPEAKER_00]: Back at the well, seven stitches up Turtles Runs leg with the capitated bug bites as one does.
[SPEAKER_00]: As the prisoner of Caravan hits a cliff road, Middly decides to toss some dead weight over the edge, which leads to zero wolf, who I'm just now thinking might be the calorie free version of classic wolf, putting Middly in his place by offering a challenge that is not accepted.
[SPEAKER_00]: The journey continues as a giant tree falls in the middle of the road causing zero wolf to say, I'm walking here like he's a dust in Hoffman's dance.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was so amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was so a midnight cowboy reference.
[SPEAKER_03]: Was it not?
[SPEAKER_00]: Even though he never once stops to chat about how underrated the Hoffman's hook performance actually was.
[SPEAKER_00]: A bit down the road, a young disease girl prophesies that day will turn tonight, and it's the Jaguar to be aware of, because apparently the disease she's suffering from is pre-cogitis.
[SPEAKER_00]: Once they finally get back to the city, we see the scope of the Mayan capital, living organism of all different kinds of commerce, chaos, and their economical disparity.
[SPEAKER_00]: The women are led off to be auctioned and the men are painted blue and led through a hallway of wall art depicting how they might die as if they are in the second most depressing attraction queue experience ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next to the expedition Everest ride at Animal Kingdom.
[SPEAKER_00]: As the men finish their assent to the top of the temple, we realize they're here as human sacrifices to the god of the city.
[SPEAKER_00]: We see a couple of people gruesomely sacrifice just in case you forgot that Mel Gibson was directing.
[SPEAKER_00]: before it's now Jaguar Paul's turn, but in about his pure a day-use ex-mocking as day-use ever-mocking at the girl's prophecy comes true as a total solar eclipse happens right before the knife comes down.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it happens it like ten times the speed until it lingers with the full eclipse for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then speeds back up as it exits.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so glad you said this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Me too I got like five notes about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Mayans take this to mean it's time to take a break from their public game of cranial stair bowling and sin Jaguar paw on his remaining blue man group off to be disposed of in a different way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Target practice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Blunted is one of the first to do the Rick on Stark Memorial Run to safety, as he and another tribal friend are shot at with arrows, spears, and slingshots.
[SPEAKER_00]: If they somehow survive this, Cut Rock has been stationed at the end to finish the job mid-Somar style.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next up, Jaguar Paul does what we've all been waiting for someone to do throughout the history of pop culture.
[SPEAKER_00]: He freaking runs zigzags, but even that can't keep zero wool from losing an arrow on target.
[SPEAKER_00]: But just as Cut Rock, who I'm just now thinking could be the stage name of a much buffer Chris Rock,
[SPEAKER_00]: Looks too fish him off.
[SPEAKER_00]: The somehow still alive blunt to distract him long enough for Jaguar to break off the arrowhead sticking out of his body and stab him with it as Wolf looks on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now the father who son was killed by the son who saw his father slaughtered sprints after him to try to keep him from getting away.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Jaguar Paul, who I'm just now thinking could have started a group of tribal warriors called the Paw Patrol, is too fast and too clever, and finds his way back to healing the jungle.
[SPEAKER_00]: He knows so well.
[SPEAKER_00]: As he finds a tree to hide, then we see his blood drip on a passing hunter, and then also find out.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is ended up between a black Panther.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, not that black Panther.
[SPEAKER_00]: And her cup.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's now in a full sprint to escape this beast.
[SPEAKER_00]: But just in the nick of time, the Panthers cut off by one of the baddies, who he quickly makes a meal of, and what may be the grossest moment in the movie, which is saying a lot for, uh, after what we've been through for the last ninety minutes already.
[SPEAKER_00]: The buy-in hunters are freaked out by the moment of the Jaguar, but Zero Wolf tells them to get over it in the pursuit continues.
[SPEAKER_00]: Back at the cave, well, seven is fitting off her own predator and doing a mighty fine job of taking care of her and her family as they wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: As we get back to the Mayan pursuit, a snake takes out another of Zero's crew as Jaguar Paul's deuce continues to mock another heck out of this movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: The hunters are right on top of Jaguar now, but then this guy just does a Peter Pan right off this waterfall right here.
[SPEAKER_00]: He somehow survives and gives a speech taunting them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Zero will says they're going over the falls after him and kills his man that suggests they climb down instead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Another man dies on the jump down and then there were five hunters left.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Jaguar Paul knows it's his jungle now, and he knows where John Rambo hit all the traps, so we all have an inkling of how this is going to end.
[SPEAKER_00]: After a quick sand baptism, he is cleansed of his fear, and one hornet's nest, one poisonous toad, three blowdarks, and one slide move later, fly, which I'm just now thinking would have probably been T-Boss's nickname if TLC had stuck with the Ilocation naming theme for the whole group.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right on cue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right on cue, the rain starts to pour down and now the third act finally has its ticking clock as the well where seven internals run are in is beginning to fill.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jaguar Paul leads zero to a standoff and when an arrow doesn't finish the job on Jaguar zero, dart toward him only to be impaled by the hidden pig spike machine from before.
[SPEAKER_00]: Seven, seven gives underwater birth to their child as Jaguar just has the final two hitches to deal with.
[SPEAKER_00]: They all run to the ocean only to see the arrival of some Spanish conquistadors.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is enough to distract the final two pursuers and Jaguar Paw finds his way back to his nearly submerged family to help them escape.
[SPEAKER_00]: In a final act of wisdom, Jaguar Paul leads his family away from the approaching Spaniards to a new life in the jungle, where his father hunted and he hunted and paused Sunwell Hunt, and maybe even Turtles runs Sunwell Hunt as well, which of course will mean the jungle will have been hunted by all the generations from Paul's paw to the kid who calls paw, paw, paw, paw.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is a poca-lippeda.
[SPEAKER_00]: What did you guys think?
[SPEAKER_02]: This time for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in overtime on this and I just do what happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that if we can get beyond the historical accuracy of this movie and just forgive completely that there's any kind of stuff that you can go check.
[SPEAKER_03]: This movie is very well made and is a great action movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that it needed to be so damn gross.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are so many things that Mel Gibson infuses into his movies where it's clear that right off the bat.
[SPEAKER_03]: This movie is like, how manly are you?
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see how manly you are, because we're talking about hunters.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're talking about a guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can you father children?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you can father children or not.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you a real man?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you are.
[SPEAKER_03]: Eat this pig's balls, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's just, it's like a constant thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the father comes to the sun and is like, I never taught you, I taught you to not have fear in this world like that something that you can really teach.
[SPEAKER_03]: you know like it's it's one of these type of things that like everything is like very manly manly manly and it's like okay Mel Gibson putting his putting his mark on this and again what is his deal with torture he loves torture and almost everything that he does that was a thing that in lethal weapon where it was like a big thing where he's just getting tortured never sit talking and blah blah blah and I know that's not
[SPEAKER_03]: his movie that he directed and everything but that seems like something like I really like that let's do brave heart that way let's do a little this way um so yeah there's a lot of things about this is like this is a manly man picture this is you know you but anyway
[SPEAKER_03]: I can get beyond that the movie is very well made.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love how it starts off as this sort of like, this is a drama of, you know, a tribe and what they're trying to accomplish and how they live together and everything and then just when you think that you're at your happiest or when you're at your most comfortable
[SPEAKER_03]: something happens to upset that and I cannot get, uh, blunded face out of my, out of my head when he is, when they are all tied up together and he's like our lives are over.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Our lives are over.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't get that out of my head.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of the most striking moments of the film, I believe, just watching that and thinking and putting yourself in that person's shoes, what would you, you would sit there and think the same exact thing and it's, there's a moment of just
[SPEAKER_03]: pure despair that I can't shake the next few minutes I the next few I guess forty five minutes are a little too slow for me considering what happens they are what
[SPEAKER_03]: to the you know to this city and and like it's just a slow you know here's how things are where it's it's a it's a weird mad max territory that they're they're running into here we're just everything is just awful and all the citizens are on seem to be on board with how awful it is because they believe this sacrifice is going to help them with their crops and everything and and
[SPEAKER_03]: But it just seems like it takes entirely too long to walk them all the way out here and then up to the to this temple where they're gonna have their heads locked off and all that stuff and whatever but once they are sort of allowed to run and you know and they're avoiding all of the arrows and stuff like that this movie just takes off.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just absolutely brilliant after this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand, maybe I'm talking completely out of my ass here, but I think even really good archers would have a hard time just hitting these people with the accuracy that they do.
[SPEAKER_03]: like you like they're moving and they're in like that first yeah they're doing the permethias thing they're running into the Rickard Stark thing like you said they're doing that thing where it says like come on you know do the serpentine thing which is exactly what they do on the second run
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's their doing that back and forth and this guy just the way it's edited I don't like it at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the guy that shows him he kind of like does this whole like almost Yeah, I almost expected him to stick his finger in his mouth and like and like you know check the wind or something like that and he just shoots it up in the air and it's like they're still sitting there doing this.
[SPEAKER_03]: What did you did you time and like exactly get their geometric you know position to shoot that arrow perfectly at them
[SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, once it gets to that point when it's when it's him running basically back to his home turf.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're on my turf now.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't know what's here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna run you through this place.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a way too much, too much X-Mark and a stuff in this for sure, especially when he's getting chased by the Jaguar.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like, just so happens to coincide with them chasing him and they attack him and everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know, I know the one thing that I read about this, there's criticism about this movie being racist and one of the things that, you know, that it confuses the Mayans for the Aztecs.
[SPEAKER_03]: Aztecs just kind of did the stuff that they're just picked in here.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Mayans didn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: There is one thing I shoot on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not in any position to say one way or the other.
[SPEAKER_03]: that there's one criticism that says the conquistadors at the end are here to save this like that's a criticism someone is that these are of savage people that they're fighting amongst each other in the conquistadors have come in and they're their saviors and I was like well
[SPEAKER_03]: I can see it that way, but at the same time, what we see Jaguar Paul's reaction to this at the end is, these are people who do avoid.
[SPEAKER_03]: These are not people who are here to save anybody or save somebody from themselves.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're all about themselves is what they are.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what I took that to mean at the end.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now I know that you can have any number of interpretations, especially when you know history and things like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: that was something that you'd over I wasn't I wanted to mention it because it is something that's out there but I'm not sure I'm entirely on board with that criticism at all again I mean I don't have the I don't have a historians you know knowledge of what's going on or whatever but it is easy to say that when you know the guy behind the camera and you want to say some things you know about him and everything I don't think that's what's being said here but
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, enjoy this movie immensely, despite the grossness that I think he could have cut out, but, you know, or made a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he couldn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he had to be this vicious.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, you know, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's absolutely a Mel Gibson thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's one thing that will probably keep me from loving any of his movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even the movie he made about a pacifist is really violent, brutal and gross.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not talking about Jesus.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about Andrew Garfield.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say that you made it better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I understand that the conquistadors don't have any business being here at this time in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: From a movie perspective, I find that reveal amazing because he is still trying to escape.
[SPEAKER_01]: Death, and he runs out onto the beach, and there's more death, and it's a scarier death.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think from a story telling standpoint, it's really, really powerful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, if historical inaccuracies are going to pull you out of it, I absolutely get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I love that reveal.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of with Chris on the pacing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the opening up until the battle at the village, or including the battle at the village, and then the ending, are all
[SPEAKER_01]: frenetic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just I'm anxious.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on the edge of my seat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really into all of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the middle is just kind of a lot of walking and that guy being really mean to Jay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was little
[SPEAKER_01]: The cutting back to the wife and the kid in the well.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are times it makes sense to me, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he got injured when due to a rock down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love the insect pinchers as stitches.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's brilliant.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if that's real.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's one scene where it cuts back and she's like singing him to sleep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, where are we just padding the runtime?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like,
[SPEAKER_01]: It might even be more interesting to see what her husband is envisioning might be happening to her rather than, well, she's singing him to sleep.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also wrote, I wrote this scheme of consciousness as the movie is going.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand the panic once it starts raining.
[SPEAKER_01]: His wife and kid can just float up to the top.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if she goes into labor or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: God damn it, she didn't look that pregnant.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really hate
[SPEAKER_01]: what the movie does to blunted.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure who hurt Mel Gibson in his life that he decided to create a character that everyone was just gonna shit on left and right and only his wife, only his wife treats him with any amount of kindness and it just sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the most tragic character in a whole thing for me because it just goes from bad to worse to death for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: One praise I want to give the movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I started watching this on Roku and I got about a minute and a half in and realized, oh, there's not subtitles on you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure this movie has subtitles on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I click and they only have Spanish available.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I went over to Tubi and they had English subtitles, but I think you could watch this movie with no subtitles and still understand about ninety-five percent of what's happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is good filmmaking.
[SPEAKER_01]: And despite
[SPEAKER_01]: What I think of him as a human being, I don't think there's any doubt that Mel Gibson is a good filmmaker.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I almost turned him off.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I don't want to see if I can figure this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't want to come into this and be like, oh, that's why he did that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the movie gives you enough context and facial expressions to know exactly what's happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine how miserable it must have been to make this movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know that they had tons of rains that may cause delays, but somebody in the chat said shooting that river crossing must have been hell, and I'm like, yeah, the whole thing must have been hell, being in a jungle for months on and filming, because, you know, there are snakes and things, poisonous things, you know, they don't clear out when Hollywood comes in to make a movie about the mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I love what you said about him screaming our lives are over.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was a really powerful moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: But most powerful moment for me was when they had to watch the women be sold into slavery.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like fifty feet away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that was crushing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have several notes on the eclipse, including one, you know, the, it was his mother-in-law who nobody wanted.
[SPEAKER_03]: They, you know, they,
[SPEAKER_03]: So they took her and you would think they'd know the market and they wouldn't take someone like that but they did and then now she's here and Now where does she go?
[SPEAKER_03]: Why did you once they just let her go or whatever?
[SPEAKER_03]: What does she do now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go too hard on the eclipse you guys have already covered them That's not how it went
[SPEAKER_03]: I was just, yeah, I was just like, man, that's coming in fast.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not going to be, it's not going to be there very long.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then it just stays.
[SPEAKER_03]: You could lock off so many of these.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be one thing if it was like an effect.
[SPEAKER_00]: where, you know, this was happening over a long period of time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you kind of speed up as it gets there in these.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it literally is showing the time that it's important for the eclipse to happen in real time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it looks like there's no other interpretation except for that, you know, the the earth's rotation around the sun has sped up for a little bit and then slowed down and then it's up again.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's very ex-mocked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ex-mocked an E.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I see all the quality here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed watching it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it needs to be that brutal.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it needs to be that long.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Mel Gibson this of it will probably keep me from like buying this and putting it on my shelf, but I've got watched it and it's really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I like it more than you guys as a movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think everything you've said is correct and understandable and I actually buy into, especially the slower middle act.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's actually a revelation with you guys talking about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad you brought that because it's not something I experience and I don't know if it's just because
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so attached to Jaguar Paul and Blunted that I want to see how this trip goes for them, that I want to, you know, that I'm keen on, you know, zero wolves challenge with middle eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought was really important and interesting, but here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can have the zero wolf middle eye challenge.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can have the prophetic girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can have these moments that add something to the movie,
[SPEAKER_00]: quicker, like you can get through those in a more efficient way, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's a really valid criticism of the movie that I hadn't really thought of.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah, I could have simply enticed that a little bit, you know, and just, you know, the Lord of the Rings did a bit, and then got to these moments that he wants to get to, and I think it would have been fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it feels like it feels like a section that just was falling in love with what you, the work you've done.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to leave it in.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, oh, this work we did at the river with the kids coming up and saying, I'll take care of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so important.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, we worked hard to film that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, and so, you know, I think as a filmmaker sometimes it's hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: They say kill your babies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it's hard to kill your babies.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you can feel that in that section.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought that was good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the cutting to the wife that you mentioned, Jeremy, is probably to avoid the criticism of just a woman in peril, that that's her entire role, trying to give her agency in the escape.
[SPEAKER_00]: We even see her, you know, fashion, a rope, banker, and try to climb out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that's probably what that's about.
[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't mean it works.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just probably the illusion.
[SPEAKER_03]: It would have been awesome if she had been able to get it.
[SPEAKER_03]: going because I understand with the visual that he wants he wants that that birth to happen underwater that it doesn't happen without it but I think I prefer it just how her being able to get to climb up that thing and and you know and survive on her own but you know whatever I guess you gotta you gotta take out one good thing to uh... to and uh... to get another so
[SPEAKER_00]: But you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first and third acts especially are just fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first act is so efficient with its character exposition.
[SPEAKER_00]: We learned so much about these characters just by how they pal around and what they do and we learned about this tribe and who they are and how things work there and it's just it's so efficient and quick and the opening attack is
[SPEAKER_00]: brutal and devastating and exciting and the end is just a series of
[SPEAKER_00]: incredible moments.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the, I call it the dodge ball run for the axe when they're coming at each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just reminds me a dodge ball in gym class where everybody has to run for the ball at the same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that run for the axe is shot so well in so perfectly tension.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that slide is, is just perfect action filmmaking when he gets, he gets hit.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like he doesn't completely miss the blow, but gets under it enough to not, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: be killed by it, and then grabs the axe and comes back.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just I just kind of good about like the sort of how everything happens is that the main batty.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is the last one that gets killed, but it's not some mega battle at the end.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's completely different where he dies and there's still two other people left after that, which, you know, of course they, it gets blunted by the fact that they see the conquistadors later on, but like I like the fact that it didn't turn into this big, you know, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, talking there are biceps.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, impossible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the other moment that I always go back to is the story at the campfire.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think it's really powerful.
[SPEAKER_00]: It sums up the themes of the movie so well and
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a really beautiful moment of community coming together to listen to somebody wise talk about what it means to be human and what the dangers are of being human.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I kind of, I'm with, I think both of you have touched on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I don't necessarily understand the conquisitorial accusation because that doesn't fit the themes of the movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: at all, if they're the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are another, you know, men trying to fill there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that is something that, yeah, they're exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: They've already sort of referenced that these men are going to continue to look for things to make them happy over and over and over again.
[SPEAKER_03]: And nothing is ever going to, going to say it, and they were like, I hope I'm not misrepresenting that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is on the Wikipedia page that I was reading on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It might be, it's probably way more complex than I was giving it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I read over that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, at first, I just kind of chewed over it and I said, yeah, yeah, kind of, I kind of get that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I sort of thought about it some more, and I'm like, but you wouldn't have a character look at those people and go,
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to have anything to do with these people and that's to your main character of the movie so you know there's there's probably a lot to deep dive on the historical inaccuracy and how that misrepresent the people and and how that is racist but
[SPEAKER_03]: I think again, I have trouble with that whole thing when we're talking about movies and it's the same thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're talking about the untouchables and we're talking about these movies where they're taking real people and then they change the story so much that it's like, well, that's not what that person was about, then whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's that same kind of deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do understand the creative license, but when you take creative license, you also
[SPEAKER_03]: Weirdly like misrepresent you do some weird misrepresentation that you know, is that is that bad?
[SPEAKER_00]: It might be bad Yeah, I've heard I've heard the real Jaguar Paul was this was really bad Yeah, I mean so yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: I will finish by saying, I think the reason I still do really have a fawn place in my heart despite all the reasons I would want to dismiss this movie from the director to some of the choices we've talked about, those kind of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: is I really connect to what this movie is saying about the idea of trying to abandon human instinct towards violence.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when Jaguar Paul makes that decision at the end, he's making a peaceful decision, not a violent decision.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I also, this movie holds a mirror up to me in many ways and says,
[SPEAKER_00]: What would you do in this situation, Mr. Passophist?
[SPEAKER_00]: How would you survive this?
[SPEAKER_00]: The answer is, I wouldn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have the privilege of the time that I live in, and the place that I live in, and the privilege of my own upbringing and existence, not to have to deal with those things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, there is a really interesting cognitive conundrum for me to go
[SPEAKER_00]: If I was born in the jungles where it was killer be killed, what kind of person would I be?
[SPEAKER_00]: Where would my beliefs be about violence and pacifism?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think this movie explores that really interestingly through Jaguar Paul, who is raised in a, what appears to be a peaceful village, but then has to confront the wars of conquest and violence.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think the movie means a lot to me for those reasons.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's get on to our Supersecret Double Feature.
[SPEAKER_03]: Be very, very quiet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Be very, very little secret to tell you something I've never told anyone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, all right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, um, I'm gonna go a little left of field, but there's a, there's a tie to both of these movies.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that that I thought was was pretty good.
[SPEAKER_03]: So,
[SPEAKER_03]: I am going to double feature this movie with the original Wicker Man.
[SPEAKER_03]: The the story of the Wicker Man is I don't want to really ruin a lot of things if you've never seen it like so yes there was a remake the very year this apocalyptic movie came out there was a remake Nicholas Cage that is
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably more famous to most of you at this point because of the Nicholas Cage antics that are going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: But please watch the original.
[SPEAKER_03]: The original is so, so good.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the fact is that that is a people that the cop goes to this island and they are having trouble growing crops.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that is sort of, I think most people kind of know where the Wicker man goes.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't want to like completely spoil it, but I think that I think that the connections are there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now action adventures, there's probably a million that I could have come up with as far as action adventure type of movies where, you know,
[SPEAKER_03]: There's not really much action adventure going on in the Wicker Man.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's more of a mystery than anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I thought there's some pretty good ties between those two movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going with theory as a Mad Max saga story, whatever that title is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just saw a lot of parallels in somebody being taken from a peaceful settlement and then having to confront a new environment that's full of weird things you don't understand and violent people who want to do whatever they want to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Clearly the plots aren't the same, but the
[SPEAKER_01]: tonally and thematically.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there are enough similarities there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I almost went with prey, but I thought that was two on the nose and you know how to go on the nose.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I ended up going with theory.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a good choice.
[SPEAKER_00]: The movie that came to my mind is a movie I just saw for the first time recently.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the mission, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just I just seen that recently.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was in my brain and I was just like, oh, this kind of feels like the mission.
[SPEAKER_00]: The mission is, in many ways, the bad example of the white saviorism of these movies usually, and this doesn't have that unless you count the conquistadors.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that was the one that popped in my brain.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you were probably pretty frightened there Jeremy when I, you know, compared this movie to Mad Max very briefly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually said don't smile don't smile don't smile don't smile I did smile internally because it felt like okay at least he's he saw a little bit of what I what I was seeing here so yeah absolutely
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's go on to the homework for next week.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's my turn and I am going to pick a movie that I know for sure Jeremy puts in high regard and I'm not sure about Aaron at all on this movie, but
[SPEAKER_03]: this is next week's homework is going to be broadcast news from nineteen eighty seven James L. Brooks movie starring William hurt Albert Brooks and Holly Hunter this movie was my best picture nominee back in nineteen eighty seven
[SPEAKER_03]: Couldn't beat the last emperor, though.
[SPEAKER_03]: Couldn't beat the, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess it just didn't make enough box office for people to really like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, broadcast news.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know is a favorite of Jeremy's is one of my favorites.
[SPEAKER_03]: Aaron, what do you think about this movie?
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw for the first time within the last couple years, and it is phenomenal.
[SPEAKER_00]: I loved it, and there are many reasons why, and we shall.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go into them all.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably in my top twenty.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen it so many times, I quit counting, and what I love most about it is that the things it is trying to say about integrity, about news, journalism, and even romance,
[SPEAKER_01]: all still play perfectly.
[SPEAKER_01]: None of that is dated.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just the only thing that's dated is the cars and the clothes, but what it's trying to say plays in this culture landscape today as good as it ever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's they're talking about, you know, infotainment, even back in the late eighties and God, even in the seventies with network.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this has always been a problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just that it never became such a pervasive
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it became so pervasive until after the cable news wars or whatever started happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: And God, we have so much of this now, it's so insane.
[SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, looking forward to diving into that one next week.
[SPEAKER_03]: Looks like we have some time for some questions.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's look at the, the list here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am listening.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, this is a good one.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think is your single greatest contribution to cinema sends?
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think is your single greatest contribution to the world?
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you got, guys?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is how I have benefited the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's, ah, that's hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I, I just read this question as what do you think?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, the permeethy school of running away from things is one of the few jokes that we make that I have seen out in the wild used by people that aren't us and that was a phrase that
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe it ever been ordered until we uttered it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it wasn't been in our Prometheus video.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was in a video.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so whenever I see that, I take great pride because I think it's really hard to come up with anything that any part of the culture adopts.
[SPEAKER_01]: As far as my greatest contribution to the world,
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to say being a good husband to my wife is probably the best thing I've done.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will remind you Jeremy that you did answer this question in the email.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, you did answer the question as you wrote it, but there's one other thing and I will go into that one other thing in a minute.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, mine is is probably the apple sin.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nearly I've from the very beginning anyone eating an apple in a movie has been you know has been marked as an asshole and we've done plenty of things that's that sin has evolved into a whole bunch of other different things over the years and everything but
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe Star Trek, the Captain Kirk scene, where he's doing that simulation.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's where the first one was, and I believe it's just, it's amazing how many times you see that in movies where somebody is just being nonchalant or being kind of like aloof or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're like,
[SPEAKER_03]: they must have a bushel of apple somewhere on the side to get from craft services or something and they're like here have this you need you need to be a loop you need to be an asshole you know or whatever and they're like okay and they just you know and so so that's my probably my biggest contribution to the world and this is really honestly the something that both Jeremy and I
[SPEAKER_03]: Our part of is contributing to our local Tennessee Performing Arts Center.
[SPEAKER_03]: We met up with the people who run that run sort of the, I don't know what you would say.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't run T-pack, but they run like,
[SPEAKER_03]: the marketing of it and everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so we have contributed to them over the last five or six years, maybe longer, and everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they are, you know, they're so happy with us and everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I love seeing the smiles that it puts on their faces every time we meet with them once a year or so and catch up.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's probably the biggest thing to the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe there might be more to that actually, but that's one of the biggest things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm, I'm incredibly proud of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We get invited to a lunch in every year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody who donate to TPEC does.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not always able to go, but when we go, the TPEC has programs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nashville in elementary and middle schools to get kids into the arts and into theater and those select kids from that program will come perform like last time I went they did the opening song from the Lion King musical and it wasn't credible and you can just see
[SPEAKER_01]: How good theater inspires people to make art, even if it's not theater.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can trace from rent, straight to Lin Manwell Miranda, straight to everybody who saw Hamilton from the age ten to twenty and is now wanting to be in theater or a songwriter, what have you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that we've been able to
[SPEAKER_01]: contribute in a small way, financially, to that kind of growth and development in our city means a lot to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, that's what we're talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: My greatest contribution to citizens was probably that TLC joke in the synopsis today.
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: The best guy I've ever done.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I put a few things down, but I think I'm going to land on naming the sin counter, sinny.
[SPEAKER_00]: That happened during
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... that happened during a first south park video on tv since and we did a day killed city uh... and so it became city and they just caught on and so now people refer to this encounter a city and that's just uh... a thing that happens this first the world goes uh... one of my favorite things i've taught my kids and i hope it reverberates through
[SPEAKER_00]: Generations or people they come in contact with, but is the importance of character and the idea of an acronym I came up with about finding hope, H-O-P-E, and when you find hope, you do so with a character of humility, optimism, patience, and empathy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And to really install those things is kind of where I see the importance of human nature, like we talked about earlier, fighting the instincts towards anger and violence in those kind of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: to understand our place.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your great contribution was teaching your sons to be manly men who don't have fear.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, not that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know how to do that myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I also think it's valuable to say, as you guys talked about, T-pack very important, those kind of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: The work you've done with cinemas ends
[SPEAKER_00]: is incredibly important to the greater world.
[SPEAKER_00]: The amount of times we get emails or comments about a smile or joy or a laugh that the content brings to somebody who's going through the worst of times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Having the worst of situations and talking about how watching this video or that video helped pull them through, got them through, led them through to a better place, helped them survive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's important not to undersell the value of the work you guys have created.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, I appreciate that and it's my privilege to be a part of it, honestly, it really is and it's, you know, those emails will never start, or will never stop being mind-blowing, you know, that the content we create actually bring somebody through a rough time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, that's a big deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a big deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, well then that got somewhat deep a little bit deep there.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, that's going to do it for this week chat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Once again, thank you so much for coming out.
[SPEAKER_03]: We appreciate you so much for coming out and and giving up some giving some really good opinions to during this movie and
[SPEAKER_03]: And I wish I could address them all because those would be a great larger discussion at some point talking about all the inaccuracies and the potential racist things about like a little but other other things too.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, but thank you guys for coming out anyway and giving that discussion today.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, next week is gonna be broadcast news and that's gonna do it for this week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just reading a document somebody on Reddit put together of all the restaurants that top chef contestants have opened since appearing on the show, and an alarming number of them have closed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, ninety, ninety-some percent have closed.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's wild.
[SPEAKER_01]: the restaurant business is I don't know why anyone goes into that business.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, do we think don't don't we think that most restaurants close rather than stay open for how long would you consider it six six six last five ten years?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know some of these restaurants to just to recoup their costs to they probably have to stay open five ten years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's before you're even really making a profit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, is there is there just such an exorbitant like high side that it's worth it like that the risk reward is worth it or is is the reward just I get to make a halfway decent living like you know like doing what I love because I just so
[SPEAKER_01]: What I think happens and I'm completely speculating.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think most of most restaurants like this are funded by private equity people or people who own the land and they probably pay
[SPEAKER_01]: the celebrity chef, like an up front fee, so they get paid.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the only people who really struggle are everyone who works for the restaurant.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the restaurant closes and the landlord still owns the land.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the chef still got his up front fee and moves on to another thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, because what's happening in Nashville on Broadway and second avenue is
[SPEAKER_01]: And in the last five, ten years, the explosion of celebrity theme bars, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Kib Rocks bar, Justin Timberlick's bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jelly roll has a bar opening.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think those people are just a face and a name and they show up every now and then, but they're paid up front.
[SPEAKER_01]: for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the people who own the land are the ones really make it all alone.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just I'm just guessing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think some Midwesterners vacationing in Nashville see a jelly roll bar and think, Oh, that sounds tasty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do probably do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still struggle with the fact that jelly roll is regularly like people say that and they're not referring to a tasty.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the other thing, too, is the number of shows out there where, you know, it's either Gordon Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares or the, there's the other dude who does that, whose famous for it, he does,
[SPEAKER_03]: bought bar rescue, I think is what it's called, you know, that all of those nearly all of those just don't sustain after they've been fixed.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a quote unquote.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I always, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know these are entertaining to watch because of certain aspects to them, you know, especially the beginning when they're like pulling out drawers and there's mice running around and, you know, and they, they pull out the chicken that's like not, you know, that's been expired for six months and all that other time has to up, but, but like, it's amazing like,
[SPEAKER_03]: how anybody might believe that these restaurants or bars may stay open afterwards because the people involved running them are just
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not business material at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, there'll be a moment where Gordon or the other guy will take the owner aside and they'll say, you know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: You really suck at this and you need to stop doing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, well, I don't think I suck.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think I should keep doing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then like the next scene, they're like, it's almost like the producers come to them as I look.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to change anything about what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is just for the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: Pretend like you're getting it getting along with the program because there's no way these people are there and their minds that are getting are changing for any reason.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then then the whole makeover happens and like, look, we did all this stuff to your bar.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's awesome now.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then like, you know, it's almost always like afterwards.
[SPEAKER_03]: They they lasted over three months after this.
[SPEAKER_03]: He says that these people aren't made to make these things.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not unlike the extreme home makeover.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of those recipients struggled in the wake of the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: both because of a lot of horror stories about like Shawty craftsmanship on the scenes, but also that they make the house so big that your utilities go up so much and can afford to live in your house anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, on your property taxes go up so much too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think TV doesn't eat good for the people, the real people it features.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's virus.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's coming in.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's taking what it wants and it's leaving you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a biggest loser docu series, three episode docu series that just dropped on Netflix.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I will say there's, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: the the biggest loser thing has been well known to have been just kind of a quick weight loss scam, you know, that most most of these people have gained their weight back and, you know, those kind of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's worth exploring, except it's already been explored.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't learn a single thing new in this documentary and the documentary has no point of view.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's just it, it was just a waste of
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and it's three thirty minute episodes.
[SPEAKER_00]: What else you could have done?
[SPEAKER_00]: What else you could have done with three thirty minute episodes?
[SPEAKER_03]: Make a cohesive ninety minute feature like that's the other day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the amount of time that is in this documentary series could have been a documentary.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think the point is that most people look at something as an hour and a half as a commitment.
[SPEAKER_03]: They look at three, thirty minute episodes.
[SPEAKER_03]: They'll watch those all in a row.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not as a commitment.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure there's something to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's frustrating to my wife love stocking matterings.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's gotten to a point now where it's hard to even speak the right language.
[SPEAKER_01]: How many episodes does this point?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is a movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I thought this one had multiple episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that was another one that was about the same topic and that was a series.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's so many freaking darkest series.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's um... What's that one?
[SPEAKER_01]: Nevermind, doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really enjoyed the Paul Rubens one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't watched the Billy Joel one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a Billy Joel one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I don't care enough about Billy Joel's music to get much out of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, that's possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I certainly respect him in the landscape of American music and his accomplishments in talent.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just never been like the biggest, I've never owned a Billy Joel album.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess the doc you see where he goes into, you know, his early career and how he basically stole his best friend's wife.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's there giving interviews about this stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really interesting to me that, you know, how people are becoming more open about just talking about the terrible things in their paths and those kind of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a great WWE documentary that came out recently, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had a bunch of Vince McMahon stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the big stuff on him dropped while they were filming the documentary.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a really kind of interesting, they were at the right place at the right time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have they gotten rid of him yet?
[SPEAKER_01]: They're still involved.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think he is out-out gone gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really follow world wrestling entertainment, but yeah, I think he is gone gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: And at some point, we're also going to get some mass.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have a feeling we're going to get some massive Denzel Washington interview where he's just going to just go off on everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can see the sort of the teams that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ticking time bomb, like I keep seeing all these little clips that come up.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, oh my god, here's a guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: who no longer gives a fuck and he is just you know and he hasn't said anything like personal about anybody else or anything like that but I'm I'm waiting for that one that interview or somebody just I don't know irks him just enough that he starts talking about people and there's nothing better than the aging Hollywood star who's giving a fuck and just starts speaking bluntly that Sharon Stone book oh yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I think Denzel's one of those guys is he certainly got to have stories of he decided to tell him business for the one that I saw over the weekend was it was an SI video where
[SPEAKER_03]: He said something like, is all we all doing out here is sitting around, you know, like people just sitting around who never done anything in their life, like pretending like they know or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he says something about something about throwing hands or something and he's like, you go out and throw hands or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, he's like, oh, and I know how to throw hands too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I'm not just joking when I can go out and I can throw hands if I have to, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not even giving that video any, any, uh, uh, it's do.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so like, like, intense.
[SPEAKER_03]: Watching him talk about this stuff and there's like another one where he's on a red carpet or something and there's somebody who's asking him a question and he keeps saying, just stop, just stop, just stop.
[SPEAKER_03]: He just keeps saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I never want Denzel saying that to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hell no.
[SPEAKER_00]: I interrupted Denzel Washington at his table in the critics choice awards one year.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was sitting there and it has come a practice during commercials to go around and find celebrities you like and tell them how much you love their stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just kind of have that moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was made me like my third year.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I still hadn't kind of perfected what is in isn't, you know, okay or cooler, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just I went up and I just said, you know, you just said, I said, Denzel or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he turned and looked at me and just stared at me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of offered by hand and he grabbed my hand, shook my hand and he turned it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as he shaking my hand, he turns and starts talking to the rest of the table.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he was clear.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, it was clear.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll shake your hand.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was like, it was like, I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Total, that's all me.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm interrupting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I found that experience very terrifying as you remember I don't I did not go talk to anybody except the people who are at our table and and like I just didn't I didn't know how to how to do all that I've talked to celebrities before but there's been different circumstances and like in this one it's like
[SPEAKER_03]: How do I have any right to approach a table and start talking to you?
[SPEAKER_03]: And then it was a point where Bill Pullman is just standing like, right next to me, like, right next, and I'm like sitting there going, oh my god, I want to talk about zero effects so much, but...