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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Kyle Meredith, and as I mentioned, so we had a lot of the cast from Alien Earth on here just a couple weeks back.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we didn't have one on that interview.
[SPEAKER_02]: Luckily, we get to catch up now with David Rizdoll.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just one of those actors who quietly sneaks into your brain and refuses to leave.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's carved out a career specializing in the offbeat and the unsettling, which explains why you've seen him.
[SPEAKER_02]: in the likes of Fargo and Black Mirror.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's also popped up in films like Oppenheimer and Alien Earth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is what we got to talk about.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's his second collaboration with creator Noah Holly after the two did Fargo together.
[SPEAKER_02]: David digs in to how the show goes beyond the franchise's trademark monsters to explore AI and mortality, climate catastrophe, and humanity's place in the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: He also is going to reflect on playing Arthur the conscience in the series.
[SPEAKER_02]: How his role parallels, he is far-go character Wayne and why he feels like he's portraying a piece of Noah Holly himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: This conversation is also going to touch on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking alien earth out now on FX.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Kyle Meredith with David Rizzdahl.
[SPEAKER_03]: background, I'm sure everyone always comments on it, but like going on in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's I've got to make it look more interesting than this right here.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, that's the one that's the one rule of acting is always remember you're enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I sure am when I've got to Pesh mode and David Bowie over my shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know, I know, y'all, you know, I'll feel that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alien Earth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cheese.
[SPEAKER_02]: What a thing here, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: What a thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so I watched, they gave us the first six episodes, which is, you know, just enough to be dangerous, not enough to be too useful.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it, but it's, this has been such a show that has, that has stuck with me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's a lot of it's very precious or relevant with
[SPEAKER_03]: the race to become immortal, severe inequity.
[SPEAKER_03]: The question like should humans survive, humans fuck each other over for a percentage, the corporation is taking over the earth.
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of it's stuff that I think we're
[SPEAKER_03]: we're dealing with in our normal lives.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that's exactly it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that was surprising too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, when you go into a series, if you get to go to a series completely blind, you know, and when you have something that's got that much history behind it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we know this is part of the franchise.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, there's a monster.
[SPEAKER_02]: The monster?
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, but the show's not about the monster.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what's so cool about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I went back up before we get into that part there too because this finds you working with Noel again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, coming off of Fargo.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's, I mean, that's got to be a nice situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's, what's that relationship with you to like, like, how did you be the one, how are you the one that got to move ahead?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm always asking myself, same with you, like, you're enough.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I finished up the last day of shooting and I know I sent me an email.
[SPEAKER_03]: You want to come to Thailand and I was like,
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I do.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Noah is such a huge brain and is obviously a great writer, but the center of it all is a man who loves his family, loves humans, and has a huge heart.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like in both shows, I got to play that version of Noah Hawley.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, Wayne Lyon is that for his family and for that season.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Arthur
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that an alien?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the conscience and the heart of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that ever a conversation that you all had?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you ever feel like... I said that Arthur's a foil to Wayne, you know, that there's similar arcs that happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they're both idealists that have their world shaken and their faith and their kind of wives.
[SPEAKER_03]: questioned and yeah, so there's like a similar parallel universe that they exist in.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get and I'm thinking more of like of Noah too because you know when you said that I was reminded like
[SPEAKER_02]: George Costanza, Larry David style.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's like, am I playing you?
[SPEAKER_03]: I did ask him that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I think early on with Wayne, especially, I said, you know, Wayne loves his wife and he's not a joke.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like, no, he's not a joke.
[SPEAKER_03]: He really loves his wife the way I love my wife.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, and I do feel like I'm playing a part of Noah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we're all, whenever you work with a
[SPEAKER_03]: a writer like that, you're playing a part of it, no matter where we are in the cast.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're in the main cast, you're playing a part of the creator, and that helps you have a North Star.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I see Noah through an Arthur and Wayne lens, actually.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you write too, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: I do write, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so you would know if that's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes a character will come up that you're writing, and you're like,
[SPEAKER_03]: You're like two years in, and you realize, oh my god, that's what I'm dealing with.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what this show is about.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's the thing that I've been internally percolating on for years, and these characters surprise you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we have an actor come in and see it in a way, and you're like, that's the character, and that's, wow, what a
[SPEAKER_03]: Revelation, an interim revelation of who I am.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that's the thing about filmmaking and art.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a exploration of self.
[SPEAKER_03]: It sounds, you know, it's not nail-gazing in that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: But there's like a sense of that you're exploring your own psyche through it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think Noah is exploring how he's viewing this world.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like seeing the scaring us that's coming, and do we trust humans?
[SPEAKER_03]: How are we taking care of the planet that we deserve to live?
[SPEAKER_03]: are we the monster?
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's shift our focus to the insect, the first pilot, and from their point of view, we're the monster.
[SPEAKER_03]: From a lot of species on earth, we're the monster.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a question as we move into this next stage of climate change and technology.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do we owe the earth and owe each other as we step forward?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think Noah's asking those big questions internally and gets the right to show about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then we all as actors get to portray those fears.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll be right back right after this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Kyle Marineth with David Rizdall.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a very comfortable question to ultimately ask ourselves, what you just said, do we deserve to live?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if you get rid of us, like everything else is fine, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like everything continues.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's what the thing is like, we've been, it's been fine before us.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we think we're the pinnacle of something, but it'll be fine after.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what's,
[SPEAKER_03]: humbling and to approach the world with that humility is part of the answer.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think part of the question the show has, you know, I think Arthur comes in with a little bit of blind trust and pride and then realizes that he's way over his head.
[SPEAKER_03]: So is the whole corporation and has to question all these ideals he started to show with.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he's like,
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, we're not going to get into the plot points here, but this is a good guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, totally.
[SPEAKER_02]: And and and with every character and I think you know that going into it, even if you just see the trailer, like, you know, what you're faced with is almost almost every character.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's questionable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do they think they're the good person or are they the bad person?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do they know that some of them do?
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of them are wrong, but you've got this guy here that you get to play it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, this is without knowing how this season ends or whatever, but this guy, he really feels like this is maybe the most pure person there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, I was thinking a lot about the people working on the Oppenheimer Manhattan Project.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those are scientists that loved the work.
[SPEAKER_03]: love the science believed in the purity of science, and that's what Arthur is.
[SPEAKER_03]: He loves the technology, knows that we're in the race for morality, immortality, and that's going to happen anyway.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why not do it in an ethical way?
[SPEAKER_03]: These children are sick, and I'm going to give it too much swallows, but there's like,
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a man who lets his wife and the kind of the corporation do the ethical thinking and he's like, I love this science and the science is good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's keep going forward.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the last people are working for these AI companies right now and there's a lot of promise for these AI companies.
[SPEAKER_03]: But if you take the blinder, just put those blinders on,
[SPEAKER_03]: then you could end up missing a lot of signals and a lot of warning signs.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's for me what Arthur is.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's important for me to be a purest, a full human.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to grow that beard out and be like this shaggy man in a midst of these beautiful hybrids and since and be a person who believed in it and then had his faith questioned.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I got to, you know, I was asking Tim and Alex the same question.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, when you go into a show like this, like, we're all in that moment because we're in that, hey, I'm moment too, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's funny because everything you were saying about it happening is like, I'm sorry, are you talking about now or the show?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it is like, do you, do you even notice like when you go through this whole experience on this show and this script?
[SPEAKER_02]: Does it affect how you felt about it one way or the other?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I was reading so much transhumanism.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was reading Ray Kurtzwell.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was I was full in I write a lot about this guy is so right about so many things.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, he is and so did it.
[SPEAKER_03]: didn't give me answers no, but it allowed me to put my fears and my questions into a role and really think about it for months.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm still thinking about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's deepened my questions and allowed me to meditate on the warnings.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I hope that's what the show does too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think artists get in trouble when we tell give too many answers.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think our job is to actually ask the questions and then have other people take that and
[SPEAKER_03]: and have a big discussion about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I hope this show, it's fun, it's an alien show, but I hope this show also sparks a lot of discussions around four people.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know has in my own life about where we're going and how we should proceed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's what sticks with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Afterwards, even without knowing how this is.
[SPEAKER_02]: because you know that's also the fun thing is we're having this conversation right now you know and we're talking about Arthur and and being such a good guy does like but still anybody can go any way in this show you know that's that's the fun part and we'll be right back right after this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back it's Kyle Mianath with David Rizdahl.
[SPEAKER_02]: Were you familiar with the franchise?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that even important when you're going into it to know the lore?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it is important.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some people maybe don't think that way, but I think that this lore belongs to the people.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you're going to come in and play with it, you owe a certain kind of respect to the lore and to the fans.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I luckily was a fan, especially of the first
[SPEAKER_03]: few movies.
[SPEAKER_03]: I saw Alien in my cousin's basement when I was like, fourteen, and I didn't sleep.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I couldn't tell my parents because they wouldn't have been happy at that phone.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had a moment that I watched it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that fear also I didn't understand the, at that point when I first watched it was fourteen, it was all about the Alien.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then when you re-watch it, you realize the corporation, you realize the greed.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a movie that you can go back to and see different
[SPEAKER_03]: monsters inside of it and different perspectives.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then as I was prepping for this role, I just watched those first two movies, especially over and over again, for the acting kind of naturalism and this like the movement, the seventies aesthetic.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I started to have more and more appreciation for aliens the second one.
[SPEAKER_03]: The first one was my, it's still my favorite, but the second one.
[SPEAKER_03]: And just how you take a franchise and you add more horror elements, you can take some action, you can play within
[SPEAKER_03]: the sandbox you've already created.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I was a fan to answer your question, but I, and I do think it's important to know the lore, and to know the, and I think, know as a huge fan and is really taking the feeling and the themes of it and built a show out of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because going back to you and doing this in Fargo, because that's twice now that you're part of something that someone else created,
[SPEAKER_02]: and to have to expand on that universe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's, we've seen that fail more times than succeed, and here you all have done it twice.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's very nerve-wracking to go into, you know, the fans rightly are like, okay, let's see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And because Noah's track record with Fargo, it gave me a lot more confidence.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I were hearing about Fargo and until I was in fourteen, I think, and I was like,
[SPEAKER_03]: What are they doing?
[SPEAKER_03]: No bad idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you watch that for a season and you're like, oh, wow, amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so if anyone could do it, no, I can do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so it gave me a lot more confidence coming into Alien knowing that we're in good hands.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then it allows you to take risks as an actor because
[SPEAKER_03]: The worst thing for an actor is to feel nervous about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: The thing about that stuff too much is going to make you have a less risky performance and not take those swings.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then put your, put your trust in the editors and your performance is there, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: You also have all of these.
[SPEAKER_03]: practical, you have puppeteers, you have actors and costumes, you have these practical effects happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you're living in it and you can put your trust in that, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're not acting with a tennis ball in front of a green screen.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it, which is the much, which is more difficult.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they're giving you the performance.
[SPEAKER_03]: All you gotta do is be present and act like how you would in those given circumstances because they're something's flying at you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there a trick because, you know, we think about Wendy and the others, and for them, I mean, because that's an interesting acting, tight rope too, because there are adults with the minds of children, but they're also superhuman and all of this stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're acting opposite of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, is there a trick for you as well?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because, you know, if it were a kid, you know, there is that, how you would talk, I guess.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we talked a lot about the backstory of SE Samuel and I about how this came to be, like the dead ends that we came up with.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're also selling this to the, we're going to sell this to the rich so that has to be a sense that you can maintain yourself in these hybrids.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I believe that they are
[SPEAKER_03]: themselves.
[SPEAKER_03]: If we're going to sell us through people, they don't want to think that they're going to die.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then there's consciousness coming out.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're real selves are uploaded.
[SPEAKER_03]: So Arthur believes that Arthur believes these are children.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we want them to develop naturally.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was all a process, because we want people to feel like they're experiencing life in a real way.
[SPEAKER_03]: So all that back story allowed me to have a foundation to treat these as real children.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just super intelligent smart.
[SPEAKER_03]: and gifted children, but they needed a strong hand.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I, you know, as I said, and I don't want to get to my spoilers, but you started to question that system and you were like, what was I?
[SPEAKER_03]: I was playing God in a way.
[SPEAKER_03]: And what are we doing?
[SPEAKER_03]: And you kind of feel silly for a way out of your depth in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's also fatherhood, which I have not experienced yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: But for me, the season's also a metaphor about fatherhood.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have these children that become more than you.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you think that you understand them and you can help guide them, but they're living in a vastly different world.
[SPEAKER_03]: than you do.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's another metaphor or an angle through which to see the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because you see that happening very quickly like you all becoming very parental to them and getting cold out on that pretty quickly too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, especially when you're up against sense, you know, these these sense characters that just they don't have that emotion there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love I love seeing that interplay because
[SPEAKER_02]: because you know, Baboon, and you know, he's got this humanity, but at the same time, you know, it's the questioning, but you've got this others that don't, like seriously, the way the story was written, that's what I'm getting to because it's so well done about these, this clash, that personality, it is personality, but you know, it's like the stuff behind that personality.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love seeing you all play with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I felt, that's,
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that Arthur had to be the most human, that of the shit for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was seeing everybody, you know, I know it has these elaborate screen tests.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know if they and the other actors talk about that, but they're really like the first days of shooting.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not just standing for our camera and feel yourself in character, they're mapped out tabloes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so you're seeing the show before you start shooting it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I started seeing what Bob was doing and what Tim was doing and
[SPEAKER_03]: has like, oh, aren't there needs like a big, you know, we have a strike happened, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So then we, so I had a time to grow this beard out.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, because I was like, he needs to be the guy in the exit, so I would sandwich and having a dropping because he's a heart, he's all, and that's his viewpoint in the world in there, because that, I agree, that's the strong point of the show is different viewpoints on what it means to be human, what it means to be alive and living in an ecosystem together.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love how much thought you put into that beard.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, it's like similar to your background.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've got a big beard, the acting takes care of itself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Does it right there?
[SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, I'll quickly point out to the soundtrack because you get a score through it and then every episode ends.
[SPEAKER_02]: everything, it's like the most perfect song right then.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if the episode was already great, you know, because we know music elevates sure, you know, cliches, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, but there's something about when tools, deep fifth hits and Metallica hits.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, you get Nina there at the beginning and that's really funny because of the music to come and everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's popular to Fargo, a member when John Hamm's walking, and it has that toxic vibration.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know as known for that, and Jeff Russo, they're just, he loves playing with tone in that way too, and kind of hitting it, you don't think it's the right song, and it's the perfect song.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like almost surprises you without perfect it is, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was so unexpected every time, even as I got used to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, man, I love that stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Seriously, the work you all put into it, it's beautiful in the creation and the acting in the way it looks.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I've got nothing but congrats.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm seeing the reviews, pour out on this thing, and I'm pretty sure that's the consensus at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, well done, y'all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm a small part, and there's so many people who are working behind it, the scenes that have done amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: All these amazing artists from all over the world, which is that part of the cool part of show too.
[SPEAKER_03]: It feels like it's
[SPEAKER_03]: a hundred years from now because it's like, you know, the casting crew is from every continent and like, get you different countries.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's wild.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's beautiful.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks so much for taking the time to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Kyle.
[SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate you having me.
[SPEAKER_02]: My thanks to David, Alien Earth out now on FX.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Listen on your smart speaker, live stream from our website at WFPK.org from Louisville Public Media.