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[SPEAKER_09]: I chatted with Jody a little bit over social media and text and she says have fun.
[SPEAKER_09]: She's going to be flying soon somewhere so we wish her well.
[SPEAKER_09]: Hopefully the Secretary of Road rules is made sure that her plane is working fine.
[SPEAKER_09]: Look, we will talk about all kinds of janky government, including Trump and his authoritarian cosplay in DC.
[SPEAKER_09]: The redistricting wars are heating up in Texas in California and elsewhere.
[SPEAKER_09]: And yeah, there's some economic news out there.
[SPEAKER_09]: We are going to talk about all of that and more.
[SPEAKER_09]: It is a Wednesday night here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_09]: We're very thankful that you are joining us from wherever you happen to be.
[SPEAKER_09]: By the way, Charlie Pierce is going to be joining us in the semifinal as well.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_09]: It will be a little bit of a boy's club, but look, we will try not to be too gruth shall we say.
[SPEAKER_10]: Look, I think there's a lot of diversity.
[SPEAKER_10]: We have two of the possible spellings of peers on the show today.
[SPEAKER_10]: This is true.
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[SPEAKER_09]: If we get an EA peers, then we'll be totally fine.
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[SPEAKER_09]: We have plenty of great women here in the bar with us, including Julie, who is listening online.
[SPEAKER_09]: And she got a cup back on clap back on Substack.
[SPEAKER_09]: She said, Sean, you forgot about it.
[SPEAKER_09]: My governor was content.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's why I was thinking of yesterday.
[SPEAKER_09]: Tony Evers.
[SPEAKER_09]: He is the one who stepped back and said, you know what, I could do really well, but I'm going to let some other great people run.
[SPEAKER_09]: So thank you very much, Julie.
[SPEAKER_09]: Julie was right.
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[SPEAKER_09]: All right, Jared, where do you want to start?
[SPEAKER_09]: Cause we've got so much of this stuff.
[SPEAKER_09]: We should probably start with you because you are in the districts and we can get the daily report from Jared about it.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's me.
[SPEAKER_09]: Hi, I'm the problem.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_09]: See, you are definitely not the problem.
[SPEAKER_09]: But the problem among other things is the Trump regime and their lying and their full of crap.
[SPEAKER_09]: So they keep bringing in national guard members to your neighborhood and other neighborhoods.
[SPEAKER_09]: Your neighborhood doesn't have a problem with crime, doesn't.
[SPEAKER_10]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_10]: In fact, in the ten, a lot of years that I've lived in this neighborhood and in the fifteen years I've lived in the district.
[SPEAKER_10]: This is the safest it's ever been.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: And I am, I actually think we got to something in the news on tap that I thought was really good as a Jamal Bowie over the New York Times writing about how the pretext
[SPEAKER_10]: We do not need, and by a wider lesson for when you're debating with people who are in the cult and thinking that this is a good idea, whatever Trump's doing, we do not need to give people the benefit of the doubt when they're using obvious BS pretexts for things.
[SPEAKER_10]: like when Trump says crime is the reason he's going into Washington DC sending the National Guard making sure ice is on every corner.
[SPEAKER_10]: We're wrapping up vendors.
[SPEAKER_10]: Columbia Heights, who should people over at farmers market?
[SPEAKER_09]: You ask the residents of DC.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's another thing that we have in the news on tap today.
[SPEAKER_09]: There's a poll.
[SPEAKER_09]: Most DC residents oppose this.
[SPEAKER_09]: They know his actions are not making things safer.
[SPEAKER_09]: You ask somebody who is in South East DC.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's the area of DC that has the most crime.
[SPEAKER_09]: And there are people there.
[SPEAKER_09]: You I'm sure you've seen him here on the local news and stuff where they've done interviews and they're like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_09]: Trump was actually carried about crime.
[SPEAKER_09]: He brings something to the National Guard peoples here in my neighborhood by Insano.
[SPEAKER_09]: I ain't going to see him.
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, and here here's the thing that again, but we who is it was very good on social media.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's just a great writer in general.
[SPEAKER_10]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_10]: Brilliant.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: Brilliant and could not say enough positive about, but just also pretty a servant with the wit when he wants to be.
[SPEAKER_10]: And one of the things he pointed out was that a lot of the articles, and we've seen them pop up the Atlantic, Washington Post, democracy dies in broad daylight apparently.
[SPEAKER_10]: who are defending the Trump administration in these moments are usually talking about areas that have higher crime and instead of interviewing those people and having a conversation with them or whatever, they are essentially creating their own little sock puppets.
[SPEAKER_10]: They are imagining people who live in these neighborhoods and then explaining reasons
[SPEAKER_10]: And Boey, who's, you know, among other things, brilliant, you know, black, right, talk about the history of racism in this country, like the number of voices.
[SPEAKER_10]: So he knows small towns and big cities, right.
[SPEAKER_10]: But can talk about it with the level of sincerity and authenticity that few people can match.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's like, it's really curious that these mostly white authors are taking the time to essentially, I think he said, ventriloquize these voices and
[SPEAKER_09]: It's like, well, the piece is great.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's a gift link that we've got that you can view.
[SPEAKER_09]: So, you know, if you don't happen to have a subscription to York Times, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's free.
[SPEAKER_09]: Don't walk it up.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's in government.
[SPEAKER_10]: We don't want puppets when we're trying to imagine what people might say.
[SPEAKER_10]: Actually, talk to the people here in the district.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: And then go from there.
[SPEAKER_09]: And even even when you read the articles you need to be discerning about this because look okay, so that the troops are there they're sticking to the tourist areas and the safe areas and then here's the big thing
[SPEAKER_09]: So the DC U.S.
[SPEAKER_09]: attorney, Janine box of wine, Piro, has said that her office will not be pursuing felony gun charges for anyone carrying rifles or shotguns in DC.
[SPEAKER_09]: Correct me if I'm wrong.
[SPEAKER_09]: But they said they're worried about crime and they're worried about guns.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, one of the, one of the, the blue sky, uh, skates.
[SPEAKER_09]: Uh, you've, uh, then I saw a post because I know what the other meaning of that word is.
[SPEAKER_10]: And I'm sure sure, right, right, you know, I mean, it's fine.
[SPEAKER_10]: Uh, we can, we can be adults here.
[SPEAKER_10]: One of the posts I saw about this, I think, is great.
[SPEAKER_10]: It looks like they said, kind of gun, least likely owned black people, rifles and shotguns.
[SPEAKER_10]: Okay, good.
[SPEAKER_10]: Those.
[SPEAKER_10]: And a little bit steep, but it's too serious.
[SPEAKER_10]: Let's be clear.
[SPEAKER_10]: Hero is doing what Trump has done in the past, which is essentially
[SPEAKER_10]: Bill board for any of the white nationalist who want to come in here and cause a ruckus say hey, by the way, if you get caught with one of these long guns with one of these rifles, one of these shot you whatever, right, you're going to be just on.
[SPEAKER_09]: He's doing, she's doing.
[SPEAKER_09]: He's the joint.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, she isn't she isn't that the weirdest thing.
[SPEAKER_09]: Um, when we talked to Glenn Kirchner, uh, I think it was Glenn Kirchner who said, you know, Piro is a lot of people don't necessarily personally like her, but she is a, she was a judge.
[SPEAKER_09]: She, you know, she, her, in other words, professionally, she is not nearly as incompetent.
[SPEAKER_09]: She is,
[SPEAKER_09]: She is not judged by the Trump scale, probably a middleing average competence, which judged by the Trump scale means that she's extremely competent when it comes to being involved in the Trump regime.
[SPEAKER_09]: So look, she got the the note from her boss that says we're not going to do this.
[SPEAKER_09]: She comes out to find whatever that's what's going to be.
[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, I get it.
[SPEAKER_09]: But then you have to add in the color of what's going on.
[SPEAKER_09]: This is the color of what's going on.
[SPEAKER_09]: This is in Columbia Heights.
[SPEAKER_09]: This is how far from your house is just a two mile.
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, this is, it's so close.
[SPEAKER_10]: It is one two metro stops.
[SPEAKER_10]: This is, and by the way, a place that I go very often, I take my kid there because there's an indoor playground on rainy days.
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[SPEAKER_10]: They chased these guys.
[SPEAKER_10]: I want to point out something about this.
[SPEAKER_10]: These were it was forty fifty sixty people.
[SPEAKER_10]: I saw people in Bonnet's hair nets house slippers.
[SPEAKER_10]: People clearly got notified by their neighbors get out here and help us get these people out of our neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_10]: That is what happened.
[SPEAKER_10]: It was organic.
[SPEAKER_10]: It was real.
[SPEAKER_09]: And those officers left.
[SPEAKER_09]: I've seen multiple postings like this, not just in DC, but in other areas around the country where these ice monsters are going up.
[SPEAKER_09]: And that's exactly what happens is people call up their neighbors.
[SPEAKER_09]: They say, hey, they're coming and they go out in whatever they happen to be.
[SPEAKER_09]: And they start yelling at these guys and with their phones, filming them and saying, get the hell out of my neighborhood, man.
[SPEAKER_09]: There are people who are saying, I am my own, you know, I am part of our neighborhood watch.
[SPEAKER_09]: And we need to know who you are because we are part of the neighborhood watch.
[SPEAKER_09]: Who the hell do you think you are?
[SPEAKER_09]: And it's interesting because the ice guys are like, well, um, but, um, oh, um, oh, you're, you're kind of protection too.
[SPEAKER_09]: And you're like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: Who the hell are you?
[SPEAKER_09]: What are you doing to my neighborhood?
[SPEAKER_10]: So you and I were talking yesterday about whether you have a plan whether you have is it just are we just being afraid or we actually moving forward with something we can do right for people who are hearing us right now and thinking about how can I get involved make sure that you know who your neighbors are make sure that you are out there in person physically as much as you can.
[SPEAKER_09]: I and get to know one of the things the community so that you can defend it right one of the things that the right always says is that you know you folks and cities don't know each other which is you know that's we really do by the way yeah a lot of times we do but look people where you're at no matter where you're at whether in the city whether you're in the countryside a lot of people these days they find it easier to get on their stupid ass phones
[SPEAKER_09]: And they live their life online.
[SPEAKER_09]: And yes, to some degree, I do because of the business that I'm in, you are, too.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's, there's those who are in media, we do that somewhat.
[SPEAKER_09]: But even I, we have a sickness.
[SPEAKER_09]: One thing is, most of the people in my neighborhood know who I am.
[SPEAKER_09]: part in part because my dog who is kind of considered the neighborhood mayor.
[SPEAKER_09]: Everybody knows Kiwi.
[SPEAKER_09]: They see Kiwi coming.
[SPEAKER_09]: My wife will go out walking Kiwi and and it should be people will go, hey Kiwi.
[SPEAKER_09]: She has no idea who they are.
[SPEAKER_09]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_09]: Everybody's Kiwi.
[SPEAKER_09]: So everybody knows my dog which is fine.
[SPEAKER_09]: But Jared is right on this.
[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, if you don't know your neighbors, get to know them a little bit in as much as at least you know who they are if they have kids or pets.
[SPEAKER_09]: Look, if there's a fire.
[SPEAKER_09]: You want to be able to help.
[SPEAKER_09]: If there's an emergency, you want to be able, and you want them to be able to help, you don't have to give them every detail of your life.
[SPEAKER_09]: No.
[SPEAKER_09]: But part of of being ready for anything, I don't care whether it's a tornado, hurricane, fires, floods, and this is, I want to take a special moment, and this is a message down for the white people.
[SPEAKER_10]: Because I do think, if you're in a position of any privilege in this country,
[SPEAKER_10]: This is part of your obligation.
[SPEAKER_10]: This is advanced citizenship.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: You've got to do it because you being out there is going to make it easier for people who are more vulnerable to do what they need to do to live their lives in safety.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_10]: What we know is that this is a government who wants to make things harder day-to-day life harder.
[SPEAKER_09]: And they don't just want to go out for for liberals folks, they don't they don't like conservatives.
[SPEAKER_09]: They don't even like rich people.
[SPEAKER_09]: We'll be talking about all that later.
[SPEAKER_09]: But if you think if you think that you were protected by being rich and corporate, let me explain the number of ways, the week, we won't.
[SPEAKER_09]: In fact, we'll go through that in the in the news on tap a little bit later because we will all be in the good luck next to each other.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and so so there ain't nothing there ain't no protection.
[SPEAKER_09]: The only protection that there is is being Donald Trump, which first of all, God, I would never want to be that ugly for that stupid.
[SPEAKER_09]: But second of we are all we have we are all we need.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, look, Obama said we had the tools we needed then we still have the tools we need.
[SPEAKER_09]: and it ain't wrong.
[SPEAKER_09]: So, look, we will talk about all of that.
[SPEAKER_09]: We got all kinds of stuff coming up.
[SPEAKER_09]: More of the news on tap.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_09]: We have so many news we're talking about too.
[SPEAKER_09]: Besides Jared and I, we have the one, the only Charlie Pierce from Esquire coming in.
[SPEAKER_09]: He's got some great pieces.
[SPEAKER_09]: We have those in the guest section of the news on tap.
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[SPEAKER_09]: All right, we are talking a little bit more about Trump's authoritarian cosplay in DC.
[SPEAKER_09]: It is, it's just so stupid what's going on.
[SPEAKER_09]: And then today, oh my god.
[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, it isn't enough to station national guard troops in all the areas of town that don't really need them or say, yeah, you can bring your shotguns and your rifles, whatever.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, we're fine with that.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_09]: Then you had J.V.
[SPEAKER_09]: Van, J.V.
[SPEAKER_09]: Van's pardon me.
[SPEAKER_09]: I get a little hung up on him sometimes because I always remember his hometown is Davenport.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh no, wait, that's just his girlfriend anyway.
[SPEAKER_09]: Sorry, sorry, but he Vance and Kegbreath and the roaming pile of turd that is Steven Miller all decided to use their way over to Union Station, the classic train station in DC.
[SPEAKER_09]: And Steven Miller decided he was going to go off on those damn white hippies.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm not getting here.
[SPEAKER_09]: This one I have on the DVR here.
[SPEAKER_08]: ninety-nine percent of this city has been terrorized by one percent of the city and the voices that you hear out there those crazy communists they have no roots they have no connections to the city they have no families they're raising the city they have no one that they're sending to school in the city they have no jobs in the city they have no connections to the community at all
[SPEAKER_08]: But they're the ones who've been advocating for the one percent, the criminals, the killers, the rapists, the drug dealers.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I'm glad they're here today.
[SPEAKER_08]: Because me, Pete and the Vice President are all going to leave here and inspired by them, we're going to add thousands more resources to this city to get the criminals and the gang members out of here.
[SPEAKER_08]: We're going to dismantle those networks.
[SPEAKER_08]: And we're going to prove that a city can serve for the law-abiding citizens who live there.
[SPEAKER_08]: We are not going to let the Communists
[SPEAKER_08]: destroy a great American city.
[SPEAKER_08]: Let alone the nation's capital.
[SPEAKER_10]: No, you're going to destroy it for them moron.
[SPEAKER_10]: I love this guy coming in here.
[SPEAKER_10]: You know, Santa Monica zone.
[SPEAKER_10]: If they with a one million dollar condo that his parents helped him buy talking about how people who don't who aren't from here and don't belong here.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: But here, let me let me paint one other aspect of this picture.
[SPEAKER_10]: In addition to the people that he mentioned, the secretary of defense, he's standing there by the way, the picture simple.
[SPEAKER_09]: So he's standing in there, they all three of them are standing one of these more darkened areas of union stations.
[SPEAKER_09]: So it cannot get a lighting through.
[SPEAKER_09]: right right and and you and you've got this balding uh... monster of a man who's actually kind of tiny standing next to peat keg breath who was standing next to jv vance and it looks like they're standing in front of like some out of no twenty dollar table they picked up at target which we'll talk about that later but
[SPEAKER_09]: It's like, what the hell is wrong?
[SPEAKER_10]: Here's the most concerning part of this.
[SPEAKER_10]: And this is something that they do much better in other countries.
[SPEAKER_10]: And we have really, in a Trump era, have fallen off this.
[SPEAKER_10]: And we've forgotten how dangerous it is, Sean, which is he also has uniform members of the military standing behind him while he's making an explicitly political argument.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: Now, which we can kill ten years ago, up until ten years ago,
[SPEAKER_10]: You really didn't see Trump of the many things that he has eroded in terms of our national norms.
[SPEAKER_10]: Really eroding his willingness to stand in front of troops and just do his political rally, having these people behind him in other countries and in other times
[SPEAKER_10]: It would be very unusual, even scandalous to have members of the military in uniform, while people are having an explicitly political conversation.
[SPEAKER_10]: I know these things don't shock us as much as they used to, but we still need to keep calling it out because when we do a reconstruction, when we do rebuild and fix how much has been broken, this has to be one of them.
[SPEAKER_10]: We cannot have the military beholden to these political messages.
[SPEAKER_09]: I can't, I cannot earn it because I've seen multiple different people quoting on this, but they've also the same thing, which is basically, your police are designed to take care of crime and quote unquote enemies of the state that are within the country.
[SPEAKER_09]: The military is designed to do that for people who are outside of the country.
[SPEAKER_09]: And when you turn the military inside the country,
[SPEAKER_09]: that is a precursor to war and has been for most of history.
[SPEAKER_10]: and another thing from the news on tap, which is a really disconcerting article, is that they are training now national guard members, people who were, the national guard many different types of mission, usually not trained in small hand, this is something outside of their normal operations, are going to be trained and carrying pistols here in the capital district.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, good.
[SPEAKER_09]: It is Morisa Cabas.
[SPEAKER_09]: The tops off that segment there.
[SPEAKER_09]: And yeah, that's the, for those of you who have not been in the service, you haven't been in, you know, Army Navy, Marines, whatever.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, there are, you carry different guns in different areas.
[SPEAKER_09]: You always have to check them in and check them out.
[SPEAKER_09]: And National Guard members doing patrolling duty in general, if they are doing, unless they are doing something that requires it, usually overseas,
[SPEAKER_09]: Domestically, you almost never see National Guard members carrying active weapons.
[SPEAKER_09]: You just don't.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's not done.
[SPEAKER_10]: The reporting that we have, and this is a Mersecabus over at the hand basket, and this included a detail, again, as a as a person who look, frankly, I'm exactly what Stephen Miller is talking about.
[SPEAKER_10]: I have long hair now.
[SPEAKER_10]: You know, I'm sure he would hate me mostly because of how bald he is, but that's fine.
[SPEAKER_10]: She talks about Merissa does in the piece.
[SPEAKER_10]: She talks about M-Seventeen, the military variant of this pistol, controversial firearm has been banned by multiple law enforcement agencies, including ICE, reportedly firing without a trigger pulled.
[SPEAKER_10]: Now, again, as someone who has seen federal agents,
[SPEAKER_10]: On the path that I will be taking my kid to walk to school next week, right?
[SPEAKER_10]: This makes me, it makes my blood boil, but it also makes me really scared.
[SPEAKER_10]: Which is, I've got a five and a half year old that's going to be walking.
[SPEAKER_09]: This is, this is cool.
[SPEAKER_09]: This is one of these guys.
[SPEAKER_09]: But this is the goal.
[SPEAKER_09]: This is, and that, that is, I think, one of the, the key pieces also that, that in Jamel's piece that he points out.
[SPEAKER_09]: The real reason for occupying DC is not to fight crime.
[SPEAKER_09]: It is to scare city dwellers and liberals.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's a strong man action, but it's actually extremely weak, but he's trying to intimidate people and say, Oh, yeah, we'll live if you don't do what I want.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to come to your city and do the same thing.
[SPEAKER_09]: And as we noted earlier, as you know, in that little clip from Dave Ziron from the people in his neighborhood, as you noted about the people you've seen as I've seen.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm sure you guys some of you folks in the bar have seen it too.
[SPEAKER_09]: The thing that the thing that stops bullies like this, the thing that stops
[SPEAKER_09]: autocratic bullies like Trump is when you and your neighbors and everybody in the neighborhood stand up stand up to the ice monsters and say get the hell out which brings us to another segment of the news on tap today.
[SPEAKER_09]: I wish some of my friends in Nebraska had done this and some of them had started to you can see there's a clip and under the immigration war section of the news on tap.
[SPEAKER_09]: So Nebraska's Republican Puts of a Governor, Pillon, Pigpillin.
[SPEAKER_09]: We jokingly call him because that's how he made his money with pigs.
[SPEAKER_09]: But Pigpillin has embraced the corn husker clink.
[SPEAKER_09]: That is officially what ICE is calling it.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's what DHS is calling it.
[SPEAKER_09]: As the next, I prefer calling you to corn husk or concentration camp because that tends to be a little more.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's in the far western part of the state.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's in McCook, which if you look at the state in Nebraska, it is in the area kind of closest to Colorado.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's not the Panhandle six out the lower part there.
[SPEAKER_09]: But here's the, here's the bigger thing for those of you who may have forgotten.
[SPEAKER_09]: McCook is basically the biggest town in that area.
[SPEAKER_09]: And there was a clinic, a medical clinic that just said here last month that they had to close because when Republicans and Trump pushed through the big ugly bill, and they're going to take away a lot of the cuts.
[SPEAKER_09]: They're going to take away some of the Medicaid and the Medicare and the ACA and this clinic said with the way that those things are going to be going, we cannot afford to do this.
[SPEAKER_09]: So what does Pillon do?
[SPEAKER_09]: Pillances, hey, you know what?
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm just going to take the prisoners who are in that state prison facility in McCook.
[SPEAKER_09]: We're going to ship them to another prison in Nebraska.
[SPEAKER_09]: And now conveniently, we have this nice big prison facility that we can just give to ICE.
[SPEAKER_09]: And we could say, see, isn't this great?
[SPEAKER_09]: We have a concentration camp ready for you to go.
[SPEAKER_09]: They're willing to spend money.
[SPEAKER_09]: Look, this is, I have said this before.
[SPEAKER_09]: Joe Biden used to say this all the time.
[SPEAKER_09]: If you show me a budget, I will tell you what your priorities are.
[SPEAKER_09]: Don't tell me what your priorities are.
[SPEAKER_09]: I can see them in your budget.
[SPEAKER_09]: We also, it was in the Big Ugly Bill.
[SPEAKER_09]: The Big Ugly Bill had the greatest increase for ICE and DHS.
[SPEAKER_09]: There's more money going than there is going to any of the rest of the military.
[SPEAKER_09]: So if you know somebody who was stationed in the military, somewhere around the world and they're not getting what they should be, hey, you know if they were here working for ICE, maybe they're going to be.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and at the same time, they don't care that you lose your health care, but they're definitely willing to take Jose, your neighbor down the street, who you've known for twenty years, who yes, he came in when he was a kid, because his parents dragged him in here and he hasn't gotten the citizenship, but he's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_09]: And they're going to grab his ass up and ship him off to McCook to the Cornersker concentration camp.
[SPEAKER_09]: They're willing to stay.
[SPEAKER_10]: By the way, if you look, if you look close enough to that, you're going to go to.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: And you might be there for three weeks or three months before they figure out that you, they have been going in people from all over the place.
[SPEAKER_09]: They've been pulling in people from Canada from New Zealand.
[SPEAKER_09]: I don't care if you're white.
[SPEAKER_09]: They're pulling you into and it doesn't matter if you had your kid with you, they will take that do.
[SPEAKER_10]: Sean, you know, yesterday you accused me of adding depth in nuance.
[SPEAKER_10]: Just have a totally superficial reaction to this story.
[SPEAKER_10]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_10]: that the corn husker clank or whatever the heck they're called.
[SPEAKER_10]: I just want to point out that when Hillary Clinton said basket of deplorables, when people have accused people who support this movement of being cruel, you know, when people say things like Adam Cerber, the cruelty is the point.
[SPEAKER_10]: I have seen people walking around the district with alligator alcatraz shirts.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm sure that in three months, I'll be seeing cornhuster clink shirts unfortunately.
[SPEAKER_10]: If you are buying merch and wearing it proudly for a concentration camp,
[SPEAKER_10]: You are so deep into degeneracy that there is no saving you.
[SPEAKER_09]: I don't believe I would simply say this for those people who are doing that kind of thing wearing the alligator alcatraz or corn husker clink merchandise.
[SPEAKER_09]: If you think pedophiles are bad, you're worse.
[SPEAKER_09]: You are.
[SPEAKER_09]: I just, I just can't, I'm what's you, Jared.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm a hundred percent with you.
[SPEAKER_10]: Um, because I see this and I see people just just ecstatic with how evil they are.
[SPEAKER_09]: And they don't think that any of it's going to come back on them.
[SPEAKER_09]: Jody and I've talked about this a lot of times about how the the so assuming that the country stays together.
[SPEAKER_09]: You've got lengths of time in which you can be sentenced for crimes.
[SPEAKER_09]: And folks, a lot of things that these ice monsters are doing go way beyond four years where they can be sentenced.
[SPEAKER_09]: And I'm sitting here saying, for those people who think that they'll be able to get out of this, I have news for you.
[SPEAKER_09]: Do you understand that some of the Nazis literally went to South America and in their eighties and nineties were dragged their ass back, went to trial and were thrown in prison.
[SPEAKER_09]: The Nuremberg defense didn't work the first time.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it ain't going to work this thing again.
[SPEAKER_11]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, so, so, you know, the people who think that that kind of stuff is okay, it's not.
[SPEAKER_09]: And along the lines of the, you know, the cruelty is the point.
[SPEAKER_09]: Steve Bennett has a great piece we have in the news on tap.
[SPEAKER_09]: So Donald Trump and Christy Elm, they want to put black paints on the barrier borders on the south.
[SPEAKER_09]: We all tried that during his first regime.
[SPEAKER_10]: We're gonna find out that there's some like, you know, most, you know, black paint company that Trump invests because everything of course goes back to this personal enrichment.
[SPEAKER_10]: We're going to find out that he's got some subsidiary of Trump ink is like, you know, the black ink corporation.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, except the black ink corporation.
[SPEAKER_09]: If they would be going, oh, well, we have a brand new government contract.
[SPEAKER_09]: And then when they look at the money, they get from Trump.
[SPEAKER_09]: They will be disappointed.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, boy.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, there are some serious realities that folks need to be looking at, including some economic realities that are out there.
[SPEAKER_09]: So here's the economic realities.
[SPEAKER_09]: The economy is doing worse and worse and we know it is, but there's some numbers that are going with this.
[SPEAKER_09]: There's a piece today that is from the Guardian talks about Trump's tariffs and Republicans green energy rollbacks have already pushed household electricity bills up ten percent this year.
[SPEAKER_10]: I've seen this, and I bet you have two in your house.
[SPEAKER_10]: And you know, as we were talking about that, yeah, one of the mildest summers we've ever had in DC.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's been humid, but it's been a lot cooler.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's kind of nice.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, actually surprising.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: And yet my electric bill is pink.
[SPEAKER_09]: Uh huh and that's that is the case whether you are in California or Maine we have heard from both so that is yeah folks no joke that's how that goes look we've got more than news on tap the world it's all going to fund AI I'm sure it's gonna be fine
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, talk about more of that with Jared.
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[SPEAKER_09]: So the drink of the day today has to do with mosquitoes.
[SPEAKER_09]: skaters.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, I'm not talking about the, you know, folks who wear the red magica cap and, you know, have a family tree that looks like a telephone pole.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm talking about actual mosquitoes because if you didn't know, today August, twenty, is world mosquito day.
[SPEAKER_09]: And we can thank the Brits for that.
[SPEAKER_10]: You know, as I was I was looking at the drink of the day and Jody so kindly left this one for us.
[SPEAKER_10]: I was the way the way she writes about it.
[SPEAKER_10]: The world's deadliest killers the mosquito and I briefly thought, oh, this is our chance Sean, we can finally do the true crime podcast that we've always talked about for years and years.
[SPEAKER_10]: The world's deadliest killers.
[SPEAKER_10]: You mean deadliest killers or mosquito?
[SPEAKER_10]: Jodi didn't know it, but she was surrounded by ten thousand of the world's deadliest killers, and she can't.
[SPEAKER_10]: Only thing protecting her was the cocktail in her hand.
[SPEAKER_10]: She had a high ball glass with some ice.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_09]: Two ounces.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_09]: And the garnish.
[SPEAKER_09]: So yeah, that is that the drink of the day is the gin and tonic and it's it look look the the Brett celebrated they actually have at the London School of hygiene and tropical medicine They have annual mosquito day celebrations parties and drinks including gin and tonic which is the drink of the day
[SPEAKER_09]: All right, you were correct.
[SPEAKER_09]: You got the high ball glass.
[SPEAKER_09]: High ball glass.
[SPEAKER_09]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_09]: You got to have ice.
[SPEAKER_09]: Ice too out.
[SPEAKER_09]: But not the kind we've been upset about right exactly the good the good the good the good eyes.
[SPEAKER_09]: Cold ice.
[SPEAKER_09]: Uh, you hear exactly.
[SPEAKER_09]: Two ounces of gin and tonic friendly gin.
[SPEAKER_09]: Now, there's a lot of gyns out there.
[SPEAKER_09]: Look, my personal favorites are Hendrix or an aviation gin.
[SPEAKER_09]: You may have differences, but I would say if you're going to do a gin and tonic, there are certain gins that you don't want to do some of the really flavorless.
[SPEAKER_09]: You don't want to go to floral.
[SPEAKER_10]: If you come to Washington DC and you've managed to avoid all the crime, Ivy City, a lot of distilleries we make are on gin here.
[SPEAKER_10]: We've been doing it for a long time.
[SPEAKER_10]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_09]: The two answers are gin and tonic friendly gin.
[SPEAKER_09]: Hendrix or aviation, like I said, are my favorites.
[SPEAKER_09]: You got to get some tonic water and then you want a lime or lemon wedge or a wheel.
[SPEAKER_09]: Here's how you put them all together.
[SPEAKER_09]: So you take your highball glass, you put the ice in it, then you add the gin and then you top it with a tonic water.
[SPEAKER_09]: You want about a two to one ratio.
[SPEAKER_09]: Some people prefer a little bit more gin than tonic.
[SPEAKER_09]: Some people still want just a breath.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm going at that point.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's not really gin and tonic.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's more like gin and tea.
[SPEAKER_09]: But, you know, I don't have the whole tonic.
[SPEAKER_09]: There's just anyway.
[SPEAKER_09]: But if you put a ton of columns, get your simple syrup and put it there for exactly.
[SPEAKER_09]: Genontonic.
[SPEAKER_09]: Genontopotonic water, two to one ratio, throw in the garnish of the lemon alignment, bam.
[SPEAKER_09]: And by the way, F off to those pesky mosquitoes.
[SPEAKER_09]: They are as annoying and potentially as deadly as Steven Miller.
[SPEAKER_09]: So, there you go.
[SPEAKER_10]: Cody was safe because she had protected herself.
[SPEAKER_09]: She had protected herself with F off.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, that's a go upside.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's office different.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's anyway.
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[SPEAKER_09]: All right, we are back to the news on tap for the day.
[SPEAKER_09]: Look, the economic news, it's going to get worse before it gets better.
[SPEAKER_09]: And I usually hate it when people say that, but that is the way that tariffs work.
[SPEAKER_09]: The tariffs are starting to bite.
[SPEAKER_09]: Hundreds more items got more expensive to import into the U.S.
[SPEAKER_09]: this week because of some of the stuff that Trump has done.
[SPEAKER_09]: You've got full details in the news on tap.
[SPEAKER_09]: And not only that, so
[SPEAKER_09]: There are other things that are affecting the prices of stuff.
[SPEAKER_09]: For example, Target is going to have to pay out a bunch of money in a golden parachute because their CEO has been forced to step down because of something good.
[SPEAKER_09]: A lot of people have been part of the target boycott.
[SPEAKER_09]: When Target decided to stop getting involved with their diversity, equity, and inclusion programs,
[SPEAKER_09]: And they were in the corporate world, they had one of the better diversity equity and inclusion programs.
[SPEAKER_09]: And I try to usually say the words because when you just use the acronym, people go, I don't know what to do.
[SPEAKER_09]: You guys diversity equity inclusion.
[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: And for those white people who are saying, well, there's too many black people.
[SPEAKER_09]: You know what you're demanding?
[SPEAKER_09]: You're demanding equity jackass.
[SPEAKER_09]: So if you're against a DEI, but you say there's too many black people and too many women, you are literally shooting yourself in the head.
[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, metaphorically, shooting yourself in the, you're not literally, please don't do that.
[SPEAKER_09]: But the fact is you're being really stupid about it because you're your demanding equity and then you're saying that you want these companies to get rid of equity programs.
[SPEAKER_10]: And by the way, most of the Trump folks have been saying DEIA and they're including diversity equity inclusion and accessibility.
[SPEAKER_10]: True.
[SPEAKER_10]: And one of the more adults has some kind of disability, one and four.
[SPEAKER_10]: And if you don't have one now and you have the privilege of getting older,
[SPEAKER_10]: you're going to get yeah we we're all going we all enter this world needing some help most of us leave this world needing help and if you don't think it applies to you you are fooling yourself right you're absolutely wrong but we got a million we've got a lot of millioners i can't remember who i said who i saw who said this said one of the biggest problems we have
[SPEAKER_09]: is a generation or two of people who are too damn rich and too damn stupid and indenial about the fact that someday they're all going to die.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's that.
[SPEAKER_10]: And they will say, you got a bunch of people like RFK junior who are trying to push your people sooner.
[SPEAKER_10]: Because they genuinely have a personal and political revolution to the idea of any kind of difference in the human experience.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_10]: It is political.
[SPEAKER_10]: It is identical to what we saw a hundred years ago, eighty years ago.
[SPEAKER_10]: from other, from the ultimate party.
[SPEAKER_09]: Look, no, we can say it, but look, here's, here's the thing, there are some solutions.
[SPEAKER_09]: Boycotting target has worked.
[SPEAKER_09]: It worked because I thought if we went, woke, we went, nope, went.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, well, no, no, it's not when you go, when you go woke, you actually make money.
[SPEAKER_09]: They have done studies on that.
[SPEAKER_09]: And here's the thing, going woke isn't, it's just being considered.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's considering the fact that
[SPEAKER_09]: If you're against, for example, this is, let me do a little simple logic for folks here.
[SPEAKER_09]: If you're gay, the percentage of people who are gay, they cannot biologically have children who have money, they have in general more money than the the straits do.
[SPEAKER_09]: And there's a very simple reason.
[SPEAKER_09]: They don't have as many kids.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's someone with a child I can affirm that this is an expensive proposition.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_09]: So here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_09]: Here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_09]: Why would you as a business owner?
[SPEAKER_09]: You draw a circle around a group of people and say, these people have a bunch more expendable money, but F them because they have green hair or because they have whatever.
[SPEAKER_09]: F them.
[SPEAKER_09]: They have a bunch of extra money.
[SPEAKER_09]: We absolutely by not being A holes could simply say, hey, come on in.
[SPEAKER_09]: We could take your money and they'd spend more of it because they have more to spend.
[SPEAKER_09]: But instead, I'm going to give them the bird and say, I don't want your money.
[SPEAKER_09]: I want the money from other people that don't have as much to spend.
[SPEAKER_09]: How stupid do you have to be to think that way?
[SPEAKER_10]: I also just think that if you've looked at any of these boycotts, whether it's Bud Light or John Deere, or anything that people have performed regularly burned in their fire in their driveway.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: The far right doesn't buy things.
[SPEAKER_10]: They don't have a voting block that also is a purchasing block.
[SPEAKER_10]: They're not going to rush and buy your book or your CD or they don't know anybody by CD, but like your beer or whatever.
[SPEAKER_10]: because they don't do it.
[SPEAKER_10]: I have to do this.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to bring to people who don't buy you stuff.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, I have to disagree with you on this.
[SPEAKER_09]: They do and they don't.
[SPEAKER_09]: This is why this is why the media likes Fox and this is why the media is is constantly going after the the Fox demographic.
[SPEAKER_09]: Because the Fox demographic is older and wider.
[SPEAKER_09]: And they constantly pump them, you know, buy this stupid thing that won't help you and buy this other stupid thing.
[SPEAKER_09]: Only they never say it won't help you.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's it is old fashioned infomercials basically stuck in the middle stuck between, you know, boo, boo, boo, boo, black people are scary.
[SPEAKER_09]: Boo, boo, boo, boo, boo liberal is scary.
[SPEAKER_09]: This is, this is what Fox does for those of you who don't watch it.
[SPEAKER_09]: And these older people sit there.
[SPEAKER_09]: They've been given phones by their kids because they want to keep in touch with them.
[SPEAKER_09]: And they, oh, I can order that.
[SPEAKER_09]: I can order that.
[SPEAKER_09]: And what the executives at places like CNN, MSNBC, I don't want to care what you call it, MSNBC.
[SPEAKER_09]: And New York Times and Washington Post, they look at the numbers.
[SPEAKER_09]: And they go, my God, they have this huge group of people.
[SPEAKER_09]: Who will buy anything?
[SPEAKER_09]: We could sell them a polished turd on Fox and they'll buy it because they said this polished turd was polished to look just like Donald Trump and they'll go, oh, I must buy it.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's what the executives are looking to do a lot of work on.
[SPEAKER_10]: You wouldn't need to do a lot of work on it.
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, it's not a long art project, it's what I'm talking about.
[SPEAKER_09]: I just had to talk about this.
[SPEAKER_09]: It depends on what I had the night before.
[SPEAKER_09]: But the point is, the idea is, well, that's what they actually are after.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's why they all want to go after.
[SPEAKER_09]: But here's the other thing.
[SPEAKER_09]: The people who watch Fox, they hate CNN.
[SPEAKER_09]: They hate MSNBC.
[SPEAKER_09]: They hate the New York Times.
[SPEAKER_09]: They hate the Washington Post.
[SPEAKER_09]: They will never in a million, billion years
[SPEAKER_09]: buy the stuff and have that same attitude and you can you could beat this into the head of the executives at those corporations you could tape it on the end of a baseball bat and try to beat it into their school and it still wouldn't get in there because they're too stupid to understand they would not understand that simple fact all they do is they look at the money and they go oh I want some of that you can't have it
[SPEAKER_09]: You can't have it, but I do know something the rest of us can have.
[SPEAKER_09]: We can tax your ass and make things work.
[SPEAKER_09]: There's a story in the news on Tap today.
[SPEAKER_09]: Massachusetts, thank you, Senator Warren, and thank you to people who think like her like Mayor Wu in Boston.
[SPEAKER_09]: Taxing the rich works and Massachusetts is just proven it.
[SPEAKER_09]: They collected two billion dollars more in tax revenue than expected.
[SPEAKER_09]: Why?
[SPEAKER_09]: Because they tax the people that actually have the money.
[SPEAKER_09]: They taxed it the billionaires.
[SPEAKER_10]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_10]: Where aggressive taxes.
[SPEAKER_10]: These are taxes where above a certain amount is tax that are higher rate.
[SPEAKER_10]: Below a certain amount is taxed at a lower rate, which means if you make fifty thousand dollars, you're going to be taxed at a lower rate.
[SPEAKER_10]: If you make a hundred thousand dollars, that second block of money is going to be taxed at a slightly higher amount.
[SPEAKER_10]: If you make ten million dollars, everything above, you know, a hundred thousand is going to be taxed at a higher rate.
[SPEAKER_10]: And then, two hundred fifty.
[SPEAKER_09]: You know, these are the graduations.
[SPEAKER_09]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_09]: And you can look at at all kinds of different polls and things that say Boston is a really great place to live these days.
[SPEAKER_09]: Because among other things, they have invested in their public goods.
[SPEAKER_09]: And their mayor, Mayor Wu, Mayor Michelle Wu is fantastic.
[SPEAKER_09]: Because among other things, she is also standing up for all Bostonites.
[SPEAKER_09]: I saw this.
[SPEAKER_09]: I can't remember where it was.
[SPEAKER_09]: Maybe it was CNN here.
[SPEAKER_09]: I got the clip.
[SPEAKER_09]: Let me put it up in the DVR.
[SPEAKER_00]: Under the Trump administration, groceries are less affordable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Housing is harder to build.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cures for cancer are farther away and good news on our economy has been as hard to find as the Epstein list.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as always,
[SPEAKER_00]: As always, cities are doing everything we can to protect our residents and keep moving forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: Under the Trump administration.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, thank you, Mayor Wu.
[SPEAKER_09]: She's good.
[SPEAKER_09]: She's very good.
[SPEAKER_09]: Boston is a very good place.
[SPEAKER_09]: And Mayor Wu is a very good mayor.
[SPEAKER_09]: Look, we are going to be talking to somebody from Boston.
[SPEAKER_09]: We can talk with him about this.
[SPEAKER_09]: The one the only Charlie Pierce is coming into the bar shortly here.
[SPEAKER_09]: Look, we've got to do a little bit of cleanup.
[SPEAKER_09]: We've got more news on tap.
[SPEAKER_09]: We will talk about some of the other things that are in the news as well.
[SPEAKER_09]: And then Charlie will come in and join us.
[SPEAKER_09]: And we can talk more about some of these other subjects.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's Wednesday night.
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[SPEAKER_09]: All right, so plenty more news on tap to talk about.
[SPEAKER_09]: Of course, there has been the redistricting wars and they are heating up obviously the Texas House voting on that plan.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's it.
[SPEAKER_09]: Look, it was going to go through.
[SPEAKER_09]: It was going to go through.
[SPEAKER_09]: We knew it because the Democrats didn't have the numbers.
[SPEAKER_09]: That said, um, some of the Democrats still fought.
[SPEAKER_09]: In fact, it was, it was more than just, so it had been not last night, the night before.
[SPEAKER_09]: It was State Senator Nicole Collier.
[SPEAKER_09]: She was the one that that there's there.
[SPEAKER_09]: She's actually, um, suing the state of Texas now or suing that I think the Texas House Republicans for forcing her to stay.
[SPEAKER_09]: But then several other people, several other members of the Democratic caucus ripped up their notices to the House Republicans in Texas.
[SPEAKER_09]: And they said, fine, you want to make us stay, we will stay with her, which was pretty damn amazing.
[SPEAKER_09]: I was, I was, you know, that's, that's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_10]: And then a little bit of solidarity.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, hell yeah, that's, look, I think that's, if every one of the House Democrats in Texas, the state House Democrats had done that to begin with,
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: Look, it's every single moment.
[SPEAKER_09]: These bastards are going to be trying to get us.
[SPEAKER_09]: So we all got to be aware of that.
[SPEAKER_09]: But they also had, so, uh, a state center, Texas state center in Nicole Collier didn't just have backup from her other state Democrats last night.
[SPEAKER_09]: She got a backup phone call.
[SPEAKER_09]: And this one was pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you know this voice in a moment in the history of our country where it is so lacking in those who should have it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you really are inspiring so many people.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just want you to know that you are among those who history will reveal to have been heroes of this moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you just stay strong and do what you are doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have the right instinct.
[SPEAKER_03]: You are talented and you are principled.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, ma'am.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't tell you how much this means to me and the community that represent that you care you took the time to pay attention to the people and that matters.
[SPEAKER_02]: It really matters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: You just be strong, okay?
[SPEAKER_03]: And just know even though I know you're in there by yourself, you're taking a stand by yourself.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think some of your colleagues have joined you.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you just remember when you're in those rooms and it feels like you're the only one there, we are all in that room with you.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so any moment where you feel alone, you do not feel alone.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've got to know we are all there with you, okay?
[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, ma'am.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's just just point out that's what we lost.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's one of the things that we lost when some asked some some dumbasses didn't come out and vote just saying.
[SPEAKER_10]: also worth mentioning that in the context of the California response to this, we've all seen that President Obama has chimed in and said, you know, this is actually a good idea.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, endorsing it.
[SPEAKER_10]: So you're seeing the tide on national Democrats.
[SPEAKER_10]: So I look, we're not going to bring a knife to this gunfight.
[SPEAKER_10]: If Republicans are going to, Jerry Mander, we have to respond.
[SPEAKER_10]: We cannot let this go on answered.
[SPEAKER_09]: And look, Gavin Newsom doesn't only have President Obama support and President Biden support on this.
[SPEAKER_09]: According to the polls, California redistricting vote begins with overwhelming support.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's twenty two points or more in favor of this.
[SPEAKER_09]: Californians are and they know that there is a trigger in this.
[SPEAKER_09]: California voters know that there is a trigger.
[SPEAKER_09]: You're listening to California and I know we got a lot of you here in the bar who are from the California end of the bar.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm very glad for that because it seems like most California voters know.
[SPEAKER_09]: This isn't a, this isn't a gimmie.
[SPEAKER_09]: This isn't a thing where California voters are saying that the Democrats in the state can redistrict willingly forever.
[SPEAKER_09]: It is triggered by actions like those of the Texas Republicans.
[SPEAKER_09]: And it says if Texas pulls the trigger, then we gon' pull the trigger too.
[SPEAKER_09]: You won't go for August.
[SPEAKER_09]: You won't go less jump.
[SPEAKER_09]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_09]: And I honestly think that that's exactly how it should be.
[SPEAKER_09]: And it also, it has a sunset.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's a twenty thirty sunset.
[SPEAKER_09]: They could re-up it again if they needed to.
[SPEAKER_09]: But it's the idea if if Republican lead states are going to screw things up.
[SPEAKER_09]: Um, you know what?
[SPEAKER_09]: Democrats absolutely should be firing back with everything they have.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's just unusual to the point of being.
[SPEAKER_10]: I don't remember this story.
[SPEAKER_10]: This kind of a story happening regularly in the last thirty years of dance politics.
[SPEAKER_10]: It hasn't to do a mid decade census redo and basically say the things that the Republican governor signed off on five years ago are no longer advantageous enough.
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, it's for the Republican majority.
[SPEAKER_09]: Now, among other things, they used to think that before the current illegitimate Supreme Court decided that jerrymandering for political reasons was okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: It was previously thought of as not okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: And nobody wanted to be dumb enough to risk it going to the Supreme Court because among other things, they could have lost.
[SPEAKER_09]: They could have spent all that money.
[SPEAKER_09]: They didn't want to go there.
[SPEAKER_09]: But there was also a sense of knowing that if you fire that bullet, the rest of the war is going to come.
[SPEAKER_09]: And that's, that's what a lot of Republicans don't seem to understand is that Democrats are not just going to sit here and take it.
[SPEAKER_09]: Independence, sure, is hell ain't gonna take it.
[SPEAKER_09]: There are a ton of people.
[SPEAKER_09]: The idiot mainstream media keeps saying, oh, well, you know, Democratic Party has problems and more people are not registering his Democrats.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, but if you look at the people, regardless of registration,
[SPEAKER_09]: more people vote democratic than they do Republican.
[SPEAKER_09]: And that includes independence that includes people who are registered in the working families party and in the green party.
[SPEAKER_09]: They still vote democratic because all of those people know the current Republican party is a bunch of fascists.
[SPEAKER_09]: They're a bunch of fascists.
[SPEAKER_09]: They support Naziism in many cases, looking to choose Steven Miller.
[SPEAKER_09]: And the only other option is to it's sport Democrats.
[SPEAKER_09]: I know that's not, that doesn't mean that the Democratic Party gets off it.
[SPEAKER_09]: Look, I am literally wearing a shirt right now that says, what if we didn't suck?
[SPEAKER_09]: Democratic Party should be better.
[SPEAKER_09]: We should find the best candidates we could get and put them forward and help them to do the best things.
[SPEAKER_09]: This is what we should do.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's also worth having a conversation a bigger kind of blue sky conversation about not not blue sky the social media, but blue skies as in like, you know, just wide open about what we replace this with because it is something we need to think about.
[SPEAKER_10]: We have seen
[SPEAKER_10]: that single member districts aren't great for democracy.
[SPEAKER_10]: We have seen that gerrymandering is almost impossible to avoid in the system we currently have.
[SPEAKER_10]: People are always going to do it.
[SPEAKER_10]: That gun, whether it's triggered by one state or another is always on the table and eventually someone's going to fire it.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: How do we get past that?
[SPEAKER_10]: Multi-member district, drastically increasing the size of the house.
[SPEAKER_10]: Having systems in place, what we saw in New York, and we've seen in other places, like Maine, for example, where you have, you know, the right choice choice voting.
[SPEAKER_10]: These are things that get us out of political ideas that are hundreds of years old and don't work for us right now.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: They work for the current majorities a little bit
[SPEAKER_10]: But they're, they're not great and they don't increase democracy, small D democracy in a way.
[SPEAKER_10]: So we need to be creative.
[SPEAKER_10]: But again, if we all get through this and based on the first Trump administration, not all of us are going to get through it alive, but if we, those of us who are still here after this is all over need to be aware that where there's the responsibility to build something better.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, there's a responsibility, that's not to be afraid, either, Jared.
[SPEAKER_09]: There's a responsibility of those people, those Democrats and it dependence, who we elect.
[SPEAKER_09]: to say, you know what, we're going to try something different because what we've been doing?
[SPEAKER_09]: hasn't worked.
[SPEAKER_09]: That doesn't mean that that doesn't mean that and this this goes along with what you and I were talking about a little bit yesterday with the the stupid ass poll that they do where they say um uh right track Ron track oh god yes right track Ron track drives me absolutely nuts because right track Ron track assumes that there is one railroad track and you can only go one direction or the other and I'm like have you ever seen a really hard jackass
[SPEAKER_10]: You know, so a little bit, I've been murdering people on this trolley problem for you.
[SPEAKER_09]: Why won't they get up off the track, right?
[SPEAKER_09]: But the whole thing is there are plenty of other directions you can go.
[SPEAKER_09]: And a lot of the people who are mad at the Democratic Party, even there are a lot of people who are mad at the Democratic Party and still vote for Democrats.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yes, those are called Democrats.
[SPEAKER_10]: Actually, if you're a Democratic party, and you vote for them anyway, that's called being a Democrat.
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: And if you vote for the Democrat and you're not mad at Democratic party, you're probably an independent or a non-Trump Republican.
[SPEAKER_09]: And you know what?
[SPEAKER_09]: That's okay.
[SPEAKER_10]: Or you're going to state that has legal legal marijuana.
[SPEAKER_10]: And then you're just not as mad.
[SPEAKER_10]: And you're just like whatever.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's all good.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's fine.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's, it's actually, you know, it's tolerable.
[SPEAKER_09]: But that's the point is that that Democrats can do better.
[SPEAKER_09]: I don't think Republicans in the current sense.
[SPEAKER_09]: There are plenty of them out there.
[SPEAKER_09]: Adam Kinzinger is one.
[SPEAKER_09]: Hell, Joe Walsh used to be Republican and he's one.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, our friend who was running in Florida, the current Democratic nominee for the state of what do you know that is?
[SPEAKER_10]: I, you have to actually tell me what, what, what, what, what, what race you're talking about?
[SPEAKER_09]: It governs race in Florida.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, who's the demo?
[SPEAKER_09]: Who's the do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do
[SPEAKER_09]: we have to just move.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, we will we will change directions because, you know, Charlie Pierce is coming into the bar here fairly soon, which, you know, we are very glad about here.
[SPEAKER_09]: Um, and we will, yes, David Jolly.
[SPEAKER_09]: See, I knew if I jogged your memory enough.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, my gosh, David.
[SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: Look, I had a few.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_09]: You have to.
[SPEAKER_09]: But look, David Jolly is great.
[SPEAKER_09]: But he is, he is one of those people who, um,
[SPEAKER_09]: says that the Democratic Party could go and it can't go where the Republican Party can't go anywhere because of Donald Trump right now.
[SPEAKER_10]: And there's also this benefit of the Republicans who have seen Trump and have had the scales fall from their eyes.
[SPEAKER_10]: They've had this psychic break and they understand that the world that they came up in doesn't exist anymore, right?
[SPEAKER_10]: Need more Democrats to realize that
[SPEAKER_09]: The Trump folks, so in their war on government, they have just revoked the security clearances of thirty seven current and former U.S.
[SPEAKER_09]: government officials, including I believe some who were working for Trump in the first term.
[SPEAKER_10]: They literally do this story every couple of months.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think some of these guys have had their security clearance quote unquote revoked by the administration like four or five.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, like truly.
[SPEAKER_10]: They've they've given interviews about they're like, well, it's happening again.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: My clearance, which hasn't been active since, you know, twenty seventeen and the big revoked again and the big thing, of course, is the fact that, you know, now Trump is saying that he's not just going to go after Smithsonian, he's going to go after all of them.
[SPEAKER_09]: So that that all the museums everywhere.
[SPEAKER_10]: All of them here in the United States.
[SPEAKER_10]: What about the big ball of twine?
[SPEAKER_09]: Is that too woke for you Donald Trump?
[SPEAKER_09]: We will absolutely have to talk with Charlie Pierce about that because he's got a great new piece of at S. Y. We have that linked at the get in the guess section of the news on tap at the politics bar dot com.
[SPEAKER_09]: So look, we got to uh, cleaning a couple of things up Charlie is coming in next.
[SPEAKER_09]: So you should stick around and you'll be able to hear our conversation with Charlie about his great new pieces and about how this idea that they can erase history is even more stupid now than it ever has been and it's been pretty dumb before.
[SPEAKER_09]: So look, get yourself your drink, freshen it up, maybe you're going to make yourself a gin and tonic.
[SPEAKER_09]: That was the drink of the day.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it really was.
[SPEAKER_09]: If you missed it, it's there.
[SPEAKER_09]: Look, get your drink freshened up.
[SPEAKER_09]: Come on back.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's Wednesday night.
[SPEAKER_09]: You got Jared, you got me, and Charlie Pierce coming in next here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_09]: It is Wednesday night here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_09]: You got main shots with Pierce.
[SPEAKER_09]: You got Jared who's in for Jody and you have the one and only Charlie Pierce of Esquire.
[SPEAKER_09]: Charlie, how you doing tonight man?
[SPEAKER_09]: How's your evening politics bar people?
[SPEAKER_09]: How are you?
[SPEAKER_09]: We are very very glad to have you in the bar tonight because oh man.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's one of those days where you said there you look at the news and you're just like what the living F is going on about the by the way, you have a hell of a mayor and mayor woo up there.
[SPEAKER_09]: She's free.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, she's she's really she's really standing in my daughter my daughter worked for the city for a while and is very very very high on her and
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, she's the Molly knows.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's not going to, she's not going to, she's running for reelection.
[SPEAKER_07]: She doesn't care.
[SPEAKER_09]: She's, she's, she's, she's, we have this, we have this clip of her, uh, standing up and basically saying that, you know, under the Trump administration, groceries are less affordable, housing is harder to build.
[SPEAKER_09]: Cures for cancer far the way and good news in our economy has been as hard to find as the Epstein list.
[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, that's the kind of thing that woo drops.
[SPEAKER_09]: And then we got another note.
[SPEAKER_09]: We have a piece that you can read.
[SPEAKER_09]: If you want to, it's in the news on tap the politics bar dot com.
[SPEAKER_09]: It talks about how in Massachusetts, they tax the billionaires.
[SPEAKER_09]: And now they got like, what is it to two billion dollars more in tax revenue?
[SPEAKER_07]: Because yeah, that, that, that, that, that, I mean, thank God, the great, the great thing about Massachusetts politics and that regardless, we have no Republicans.
[SPEAKER_07]: So we put the money in that sense.
[SPEAKER_07]: We put them well now.
[SPEAKER_07]: We put them all in cold storage and, you know,
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, and they're doing fine.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're all, the suspended animation is working perfectly.
[SPEAKER_07]: And we allow two or three of them every now and then to come sit in a legislature.
[SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, we, by the way, our, our, our politics are untrubbled by Republicans.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, push that way.
[SPEAKER_09]: Look, look, DC DC is mostly democratic.
[SPEAKER_09]: There is some issues with that.
[SPEAKER_09]: And of course Trump, you wrote a piece, Trump's wacko team of attorneys will try to prove DC officials faked crime data.
[SPEAKER_07]: They didn't.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, no, but they're, you know, they're going to say they did.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I'm sure there's a, you know, at some place, it's someplace in the volumes of data.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's a, you know, a glitch somewhere.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: Somebody didn't pass it on that.
[SPEAKER_09]: They carry the one or whatever.
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: You're exactly right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Somebody, somebody failed to carry the one and, you know, so then we'll hear, you know,
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, tales of trouble and well from, you know, the same people that we are, you know, troubles and well from about to labor statistics.
[SPEAKER_10]: We feel like there's going to be this period where every time anyone sites of federal or government statistic, there's going to be an asterisk for maybe just three or four years, maybe quite a while where we're like, and we think this is what's right, but they were really screwing it up for a while because they fired all the people who knew that what they were talking about.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, that's, I mean, that may be the point of it.
[SPEAKER_07]: to get people not to trust anything government says.
[SPEAKER_07]: That way, that way your billionaire donor class can run a mock.
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, because when Republicans say that government doesn't work, that's not a description.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's a promise.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's a game plan.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, it's absolutely absolutely drives us nuts.
[SPEAKER_09]: And we were talking about that.
[SPEAKER_09]: We had Meredith Schiner in the bar yesterday.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, good.
[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: As you know, she's brilliant.
[SPEAKER_09]: She's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_09]: And we were talking about the fact that none of this would be possible in a lot of other places.
[SPEAKER_09]: But because DC is not a state that they can go in there and they can just muck stuff up all the way.
[SPEAKER_09]: Because DC doesn't have any ability to fight back.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: And, and, and, and Eleanor Holmes, Norton, God love her.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, she's fought the good fight for many years, but too many years at this point.
[SPEAKER_07]: And what she don't know?
[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, you know, I understand Methuselah asked her out to that dance and high school, and that's fine.
[SPEAKER_09]: But the fact of the matter is that there's a time to retire, and I think she's kind of, you know, passed.
[SPEAKER_07]: And why, why, why Democrats don't understand that is beyond me.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, I mean, nope, no Democratic politician understands that.
[SPEAKER_10]: We had, we had, and so many of the issues we've faced from the last ten years have been, you know, high level Democrats.
[SPEAKER_10]: And I'll include Ruth Bader Ginsburg on this list, even though I honestly, people who just didn't understand what the time was didn't pass on.
[SPEAKER_10]: And now we are stuck living in the consequences of their pride.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and for some reason, you know, the fact that the president of United States is a is is a, you know, an eight year old adult.
[SPEAKER_09]: Donnering the boob.
[SPEAKER_09]: Because you can say that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, doesn't bother anyone.
[SPEAKER_07]: But the Democrats, you know, they just, you know, my God, and and and Roosberg in the program, of course, is the test case.
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's a harsh thing to have to say.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, look, she was like, but she was so great.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but she hung on too long and she hung on long.
[SPEAKER_07]: She hung on long enough to know what was going to happen.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, if she retired at the beginning of Obama's term,
[SPEAKER_07]: right.
[SPEAKER_07]: You would have gotten a decent replacement throw.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_07]: But she retired so late that, you know, McConnell was able to run his scam.
[SPEAKER_09]: When we were talking with Meredith yesterday, and I couldn't remember his name in Julie, one of our people here in the bar, mentioned V. S. Ubstak, she says, heard the guy who I was thinking of as Tony Evers.
[SPEAKER_09]: In Wisconsin, he's doing just that.
[SPEAKER_09]: Evers is saying, I could stick around for a third term and the numbers all say that if he did, he'd win, but you know what, he's taking a step back and he's saying, there are plenty of other good Democrats on the bench.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and let's give them their chance.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I didn't Tony never aspire to be anything but governor of Wisconsin.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: you know, so he achieved his goal.
[SPEAKER_07]: He did good service while he was there.
[SPEAKER_07]: And now it's time to go, you know, fish for muskies for the rest of his life.
[SPEAKER_09]: And then I do hope that idea for me.
[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, that'd be a hell of a retirement, you know.
[SPEAKER_10]: I do hope that there's some tether between this effort to, you know, deemphasize and de incentivize
[SPEAKER_10]: using your political office for personal gain.
[SPEAKER_10]: We're going to see a lot of that in the post Trump era if any of us survive it to to that point.
[SPEAKER_10]: But I do think that there's going to be this sense of like, hey, maybe political office isn't the cash cow that we've had it be and people shouldn't be.
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, frankly, it shouldn't be public service, but we're so far removed from that.
[SPEAKER_10]: Trump is the opposite of everything we've said is the ideal for so long.
[SPEAKER_10]: And so I hope that when the pendulum swings the other way, we'll say, look, we've just got to get rid of this.
[SPEAKER_10]: We've got to de incentivize, and that means that it's less cool and remunerative for you to stay in there until you kill over.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, well, the thing that makes me nervous about that scenario is that it could just very, it could very easily just turn out to be a lot of incredibly rich people doing politics as a side gig.
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: They're not, they're not actually caring about what's going on.
[SPEAKER_09]: They're like, how can I use this to, you know, my advantage to make more money?
[SPEAKER_09]: Which, I mean, we kind of have some of that now.
[SPEAKER_09]: But.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_09]: We've got to get back.
[SPEAKER_09]: We've definitely got to get away from that.
[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, here's, here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_09]: You would think this is not the first time in life that we have been in this particular place.
[SPEAKER_09]: We have history.
[SPEAKER_09]: We have museums that actually talk about this kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_09]: And in fact,
[SPEAKER_09]: That was the other piece you wrote about.
[SPEAKER_09]: The Trump thinks American history is too woke and now he wants to reduce focus on slavery and museums.
[SPEAKER_09]: He wants to get rid of any of the history that he doesn't like.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I'm like, you know, our museums, especially this Smithsonian, are all well with darkness and stuff.
[SPEAKER_07]: Now the air and space museum is like the most popular museum in probably.
[SPEAKER_07]: I, I don't know, vis-a-vis that museum of African-American history is museum at the Holocaust Museum now.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: It was by far the most popular museum in that stretch.
[SPEAKER_07]: And there's nothing in there but hope.
[SPEAKER_07]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think Johnny things.
[SPEAKER_07]: I have had to orient myself because I have to plug in my palm.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, nothing wrong with kind of, we're getting kind of a bunker look here.
[SPEAKER_09]: Look, look, it's why we have, we have power plugs here at the bar.
[SPEAKER_09]: There's nothing wrong with that.
[SPEAKER_09]: If you got to plug your phone into the bar, that's one of the nice things.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, actually.
[SPEAKER_07]: Of course, I've got to have, you know, I'm coming to you from the, the recline or blog.
[SPEAKER_07]: So,
[SPEAKER_07]: Which is a good people when people say you just blog from the recliner in your pajamas.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're not lying But you could you could say that's the kind of honesty that I'm glad that you bring to the profession There's also I like I like to get out as you know as much as I can and report But you know travel budgets are just a mess right now
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, there's some of some of some of the other stuff in the news on tap is talking about how I mean, look, the lots more items are getting more expensive because of crap that Trump did this week with Trump's tariffs.
[SPEAKER_09]: And then you've got the green energy rollbacks that the Republicans had as part of the big ugly bill along with Trump's tariffs electricity house will electricity up ten percent.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I saw that that's got to that has got to
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, that's got a land on somebody's head very hard.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's going to be one of those really stupid things, which is actually because and one of the things that I thought was interesting.
[SPEAKER_09]: So I saw a piece.
[SPEAKER_09]: We included in the news on tap today, but I saw it earlier this week about how so
[SPEAKER_09]: of all the things that the Republicans in the big ugly bill cut.
[SPEAKER_09]: They could have a lot of the stuff that Biden had put in there.
[SPEAKER_09]: But what they didn't cut was the battery subsidies, not all of them.
[SPEAKER_09]: And they, because you see the batteries are going to be made in red state areas and in their districts.
[SPEAKER_09]: So they kept that.
[SPEAKER_09]: The big problem is they're going to be, they want these battery companies to be making batteries, but they cut a lot of the things that the batteries would go into.
[SPEAKER_10]: So if you were, if you were mad about the bridge to nowhere, the battery for nothing is going to be a bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad memories for nothing in your kickster freak.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but between the two of you, you guys nailed that one, because that is what it is.
[SPEAKER_09]: That is absolutely, and I'm sitting there going, how dumb do you cut, but they're, they're house Republican.
[SPEAKER_09]: So I think, you know, when, when you're saying how dumb, it to them, they think of it.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's, that's, to me, one of the most remarkable things about the last twenty years is,
[SPEAKER_07]: how a succession of Republican majorities in the house got crazier and dumber.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I know we're the climber.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, look, if I try to go and buy it, does it go and buy it?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, that's good.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: At least they're coming for you, Charlie.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_07]: The, the, the, the, the chubbies in the master coming for me.
[SPEAKER_10]: Just throw a sandwich at them.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm sure that's funny.
[SPEAKER_10]: I know we do here in DC.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh man.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, yes, you and remember remember what you said Jared, you know, if you're going to attack somebody in ice closed with a sandwich you just yell at them.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's a club sandwich.
[SPEAKER_09]: Use a club.
[SPEAKER_09]: But you're right, Charlie, in the sense that, I mean, you know, I didn't think any of us thought that things could get dirty.
[SPEAKER_07]: You need a lot of entertainment.
[SPEAKER_07]: You could throw it out and say, Hey, it's a grinder and then I'll get on your phone and erase their accounts.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, Sean, how dare you go back to the news on tab.
[SPEAKER_10]: Charlie's got five more sub-submarine sandwich.
[SPEAKER_09]: So wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_09]: So you're saying, you know, he's got as many as a whole.
[SPEAKER_09]: He says, this big, this is how many he's got.
[SPEAKER_09]: This is this.
[SPEAKER_09]: They lay it on, like salami and cheese.
[SPEAKER_09]: You know, sorry.
[SPEAKER_09]: But it is mind-boggling to me that they're not understanding now that some of these things are starting to have consequences that are going to be coming for them.
[SPEAKER_09]: And it also is mind-boggling to me that they don't understand that just because you have some of the power in a government, like one of my personal bugabus is Russ Fought.
[SPEAKER_09]: I hate Russ Fought.
[SPEAKER_09]: I have said this before.
[SPEAKER_07]: You are not alone.
[SPEAKER_07]: I tell you.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, look, if Russ bought an eye, we're walking for some ungodly reason together at the same time downtown DC, and I saw that a bus was coming and he was busy on his phone, I would not stop him.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm, and I'm that honest about it because that's how much I dislike the man.
[SPEAKER_07]: I wouldn't do it if I would have, but I would have tremendous faith in the bus driver to stop because I wouldn't intervene.
[SPEAKER_10]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, because the bus driver, unlike Russ vote, is a public servant.
[SPEAKER_09]: There he go.
[SPEAKER_09]: But Russ is pissed because the courts forced the OMB forced him and the OMB to restore the public spending database that tells people what their spending money on and how they're trying to claw back, bunny, and how they're trying to prevent money from being spent.
[SPEAKER_09]: Because he thought he could do all of his dirty work in the shadows.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like a lot of Republicans because he's because he's, you know, veteran of American corporations.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's the way they do business.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, funny.
[SPEAKER_09]: Doesn't always work that way.
[SPEAKER_10]: This is where I don't understand how you're so confused.
[SPEAKER_10]: Republicans letting someone else pay the bill for their policies is not exactly a new phenomenon.
[SPEAKER_07]: This is absolutely not.
[SPEAKER_07]: We learned that in the Reagan years.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_09]: I thought we did.
[SPEAKER_09]: We obviously haven't learned those lessons, though.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, the Republicans have.
[SPEAKER_07]: They now know a lot of do it.
[SPEAKER_07]: more sneakily.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I suppose that's true.
[SPEAKER_09]: I suppose that's true.
[SPEAKER_09]: I do.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, say, like, watergate, what lesson did the Republicans learn from watergate?
[SPEAKER_07]: How to cover up, never.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yes, how to make sure that the next guy can do it clean.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, be honest when they didn't learn how to be, you know, more ethical and office, they learned that, you know, they're getting certain that.
[SPEAKER_07]: I learned the range of control media.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, I, I advise everyone of the certain age.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I started my first glimpse of national politics as a professional was at the Boston Phoenix.
[SPEAKER_07]: I was covering the nineteen eighty Republican presidential primaries.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_07]: Anderson Bush Reagan okay and and they loved adding me there because the Phoenix's demographic was one to die for what I mean oh it's what I mean we were loaded with twenty five to fifty four oh nice so people have money and money so if I wanted to talk to Jim Baker on the phone I would call the office and say it's it's Charlie Pierce I'm from the Boston Phoenix I'd be on the phone with him in forty minutes
[SPEAKER_07]: man, that was because they really, I mean, they always treated me.
[SPEAKER_07]: First of all, the Republicans know how to romance the press anyway.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, they absolutely, they absolutely treated me, you know, it was really, but I watched them, I watched the Reagan philosophy as it was building.
[SPEAKER_07]: And one of them, and one of the things was that you do your business in the economy and you don't worry about paying for it.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_10]: Amazing.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'll lessen the Donald Trump certainly has taken to heart.
[SPEAKER_07]: And the other thing they learned, which you can really see, taking to extremes in this administration, is if you do not want a department of government to function, hire an idiot to lead it.
[SPEAKER_09]: We will talk about some more of those idiots you hang around with us for last call, Charlie?
[SPEAKER_09]: I saw, I always been around for last call.
[SPEAKER_09]: Charlie Pierce from squire.com is here in the politics bar with us.
[SPEAKER_09]: We are very glad you are as well.
[SPEAKER_09]: We got last call coming up fresh in up your drink, Charlie, Jared, and I will be right back with you.
[SPEAKER_09]: Hang on.
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[SPEAKER_09]: We were talking a little bit in the break about great American museums, great American tourists.
[SPEAKER_09]: Chris Lavoy you were saying is the best American tourist in the world.
[SPEAKER_07]: anywhere within twenty miles of where he is he will drive and have his picture taken front and he knows he knows what a runs is which I was like yes, yeah, and he thinks the best zoo in the country is the Henry D'Orley Zoo in Omaha and Chris LaVoy on that is right just saying there you go, but in any event no and that's what worries me about this you know, I'm gonna send out my extortionists
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, to make your own films are conform to my idea of history, which is kind of weird because there's not any ideas about history, but the
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, and all these little, the little museums to depend on like two bucks and five bucks that you put in the, the, the plexiglass box at the end of the end before you leave the building.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: And all the, you know, seven, eight year old volunteers have been working there for years.
[SPEAKER_07]: Now they're going to get like the full weight of the magnet called on them.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right, because if you can do it to Harvard University, if they give a bunch of people to descend on you for being a transgender athlete in a state that, you know, the one in your state, they can make your life miserable no matter what.
[SPEAKER_10]: And you were talking about this earlier, Charlie, you were like, oh, you know, the African American history museum on the National Mall is all about hope for people haven't been
[SPEAKER_10]: the experience of walking through slavery, you know, the post Civil War era Jim Crow, and then you come out and it's Oprah's studio and Barack Obama.
[SPEAKER_10]: This museum does talk about slavery, but the message is hopeful.
[SPEAKER_10]: We just have a bunch of mega people who don't like the idea of
[SPEAKER_10]: you know, my kid is getting any, you know, excitement or joy or seeing the himself in these people who happened to be black and going to that museum.
[SPEAKER_10]: They don't want a white kid to find anybody inspirational.
[SPEAKER_10]: They don't want Arthur Ash to be inspirational to my kid.
[SPEAKER_07]: They don't want that talking about.
[SPEAKER_07]: You're absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_07]: And they certainly don't want, you know, they're, they're a little white kid to grow up to be Barack Obama, whether it means president or not.
[SPEAKER_07]: But, you know, you look at those museums, the Holocaust Museum, the African American History Museum.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know if it's going to even go to open now that new women's Native American and Indigenous people museums, which I'm really looking forward to that.
[SPEAKER_07]: But, you know, and it's not
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's not a bad thing to have your kids learn this stuff.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, I had to learn it all the time because we weren't taught it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah, a lot of a lot of people were in for all this, but we were taught this stuff.
[SPEAKER_10]: And well, you got the core message in Perokiel school, which was be ashamed of your body, because it's disgusting.
[SPEAKER_09]: I happen to have, I think I was I was lucky enough to have landed in a specific place in a specific time where
[SPEAKER_09]: I had a lot of the stuff that a lot of people have said that they weren't taught in high school.
[SPEAKER_09]: For example, I had a great history teacher, Mr. Baker.
[SPEAKER_09]: Baker was not only an active journalist, but Baker was an active journalist in Vietnam at one time.
[SPEAKER_09]: And Baker had a fantastic way of teaching history.
[SPEAKER_09]: At one point, he had an AP history course.
[SPEAKER_09]: It was what was it?
[SPEAKER_09]: Like, nineteen hundred to the modern age, only he was going to teach it backwards.
[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, you know, like that.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, one of my other teachers that I had Ed Campbell Ed Campbell was fantastic.
[SPEAKER_09]: He would he would take literally his own time, but in his in his high school classroom, and he would on the blackboard take all of these colors of chalk and draw these fantastic pieces of artwork.
[SPEAKER_09]: So you knew the man wasn't just about just, you know, the straight facts of history.
[SPEAKER_09]: And in fact, he would teach the curriculum, he would teach it well, and then at every, at the end of every segment, he always had a segment that was called, and now for the losers.
[SPEAKER_09]: Because history as we know was written by the winners.
[SPEAKER_09]: So then he just said, OK, all that crap, I just taught you over the last week or two weeks or whatever it was.
[SPEAKER_09]: Here's how it was viewed from the people who history views as the quote unquote losers.
[SPEAKER_09]: And so then you would go, oh, oh, I had some fantastic teachers who taught me these things.
[SPEAKER_09]: You are very lucky.
[SPEAKER_09]: I got extremely successful.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, actually, you know, I'm sure Charlie, you know, Ted Genoese, fantastic journalist.
[SPEAKER_09]: He's got a book out about the history of of Tequila, Ted and I went to high school.
[SPEAKER_09]: You know, honorary cocks?
[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, uh, she just went to a high school that was across the across town there.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, he was volleyball player.
[SPEAKER_09]: Uh, she was well, she was honorary Cox who we definitely want to get to the bar here.
[SPEAKER_09]: honorary Cox I was introduced to her by a guy who is one of the best session musicians in the country's name is Jonathan Hishki.
[SPEAKER_09]: And I saw her coming up over a hill and I was like, wow, that is in very attractive red-haired girl and she was writing at the time.
[SPEAKER_09]: So she had her thinking face on and she turned to look at me and I realized I was pretty much of looks could kill.
[SPEAKER_09]: I would have been dead because I was interrupting her.
[SPEAKER_09]: But she's freaking brilliant.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's one of my favorite people in the world.
[SPEAKER_07]: And we're coming up now where we sit and we watch T.C.
[SPEAKER_07]: football together.
[SPEAKER_10]: She's great because she's a big, you know, I want to get invited to that party right here.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh yeah, that'd be great.
[SPEAKER_09]: But these are these are the people that I went to high school with.
[SPEAKER_07]: So when people were like, oh my God, I knew he had done time.
[SPEAKER_07]: I knew he had done time in Nebraska, but I didn't know it was high school.
[SPEAKER_07]: I thought it was time.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, actually, there are people who are doing time in Nebraska.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm sure you heard about the new Corn Husker concentration camp, Charlie.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, someone win a win the competition.
[SPEAKER_09]: Governor, Governor Pig Pillon has decided that he's going to go ahead and have the the Corn Husker clink is what Christie the gnome decided to to label it at DHS.
[SPEAKER_09]: So yeah, so what they did is they took the state prison that was out in the cook.
[SPEAKER_09]: By the way, if you remember, they had a little clinic that was out there that last month decided to close because the Republicans cut the money that was in Medicaid, Medicare, and the ACI for that clinic, right.
[SPEAKER_09]: So anyway, same same neighborhood, they have a state prison there.
[SPEAKER_09]: And the governor, Governor Pillin, as I jokingly call him Pillin, because that's like made his money.
[SPEAKER_09]: Um, he decided to take the inmates who were at that prison and move them elsewhere in the state.
[SPEAKER_09]: So then he could say to Christie the gnome, look, we have this prison and you can use this for the Cornerskir concentration camp.
[SPEAKER_09]: And she said, I think Cornerskir clink is a better name.
[SPEAKER_09]: And he says, OK, yes, ma'am.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: We are in the hands of the madman.
[SPEAKER_10]: You know, instead of instead of refurbishing that Albert Pike statue, the Confederate statue, that used to be like a block away from the Department of Justice here in DC, we should just put up a statue to pillion.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think that's that would be, and that way when we tear it down, it's at least somebody who's alive right now, and then he can watch him be upset about it.
[SPEAKER_10]: That'd be great.
[SPEAKER_10]: And then we don't have to spend millions of dollars refurbishing a statue to a KKK member.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, I won't necessarily say that Pillon is a KKK member, but I don't necessarily think that he's all in favor of racial justice either.
[SPEAKER_10]: But the history is probably solid about Albert Pike.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like it's like Chris Rock says it was routine.
[SPEAKER_07]: He may not be a racist, but I understand.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_09]: That feeling is that what that would fit.
[SPEAKER_09]: I just, yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm sitting there and then, and then did you see the piece from Steve Venon?
[SPEAKER_09]: We had that the news on tapioid too.
[SPEAKER_09]: Trump and Nome are repeating the same dumbass idea that he did in his first term.
[SPEAKER_09]: Let's paint all the border wall black.
[SPEAKER_09]: because that lasted like all of a year and three months or something before the paint like flaked off and everything because it's on the freaking border and it's hot and it's not gonna last.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, and I think they're building more wall or not.
[SPEAKER_09]: I don't think I've heard that they're building more yet, but I think they're trying to get back to putting up some of the stuff that he claimed that he was going to do in his first one and then didn't hit you.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: So yeah, I'm just I'm saying they're going that the stuff that they're doing is because I haven't heard him.
[SPEAKER_07]: I haven't heard him mention the beautiful wall.
[SPEAKER_10]: respect him to be growing about it if he was actually doing that.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't think I've mentioned it since the campaign.
[SPEAKER_07]: All you want to talk about is, you know, you know, the disgusting fat boys that are running them great.
[SPEAKER_10]: It does remind me though, why they want to, you know, basically got these these museums all across the country, especially the ones in DC, because they know how they're going to look if those museums still exists.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_10]: And they know how this is the first draft of history that we're writing right now.
[SPEAKER_10]: The second and third and fourth drafts are not going to be kinder.
[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, hell no.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: And gutting the museum is exactly the right word, by the way.
[SPEAKER_07]: Congratulations.
[SPEAKER_09]: The interesting thing is, I told Jody this here, I don't know, two, three weeks ago when we were talking off air that, you know, because I have people
[SPEAKER_09]: I live in the DC Metro, you know, Jared lives in the DC Metro, although he's actually in the DC part of it.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm just in the northern Virginia part of it, but I mean, we both have a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_07]: I can tell from the I can tell from the battle scars walking through it walking through the nation's elbow.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, well, you know, sometimes, but you know, I love it.
[SPEAKER_07]: People are putting up their beautiful neighborhoods on Facebook going, here we are in the hell hall.
[SPEAKER_10]: My hydrangeas are doing really well right now.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_07]: They, you know, my had your engines whisper to me that they feel much safer.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's the way this thing, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, uh, Pam Bondi and, uh, and, uh, what's your name, uh, Caroline with the query?
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, okay, Caroline.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they're both all people come up and whisper to us.
[SPEAKER_06]: I feel so much better.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, I feel so much better.
[SPEAKER_09]: I know people, I know people in my neighborhood who work in a lot, I mean, I have a lot of people in my neighborhood who work for the feds and some who work at some of the museums.
[SPEAKER_09]: And I was telling Jody before that it was public knowledge.
[SPEAKER_09]: I said some of this stuff is gone disappear.
[SPEAKER_09]: And she was really, and I said,
[SPEAKER_09]: I said it is both scary and disgusting that some of these people and and wonderful in a small way.
[SPEAKER_09]: I am glad that we have such good people that will take things like Harriet Tubman's diary and put it somewhere safe so that you know monsters like Stephen Miller can't find it and burn it.
[SPEAKER_09]: So I'm very glad that we have there are still some good people in a lot of these places and whatever little good that they are able to do they are doing it.
[SPEAKER_09]: I did wish we didn't have to
[SPEAKER_09]: I wish we didn't have to do that.
[SPEAKER_09]: Look at the, you know, Harry Tubman's, no, him, no.
[SPEAKER_09]: It should be out there.
[SPEAKER_09]: All of this stuff should be out there.
[SPEAKER_09]: The history should be out there so that everybody can learn from it.
[SPEAKER_09]: We shouldn't have to be running from it.
[SPEAKER_10]: So I, by the way, if you grew up in the United States and learned anything about slavery, you didn't learn two percent of how awful it actually is.
[SPEAKER_07]: And that's the real, there's no question.
[SPEAKER_07]: And you didn't learn, and you didn't, and you, you know, your, your lessons on the causes of the Civil War were,
[SPEAKER_07]: pretty limited Trump.
[SPEAKER_07]: And shall we say.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Look, some, some.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, you know, here in Massachusetts, we're now, we're coming to the end of our two hundred and fifty of the anniversary relevance.
[SPEAKER_07]: Because, you know, all, all those bot like shifts to Philadelphia in the next.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: They've been at Greece the polls then because you know how they celebrate there.
[SPEAKER_07]: I remember that wonderful, uh, uh, uh, uh, even so what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_07]: The, the, the trouble thing of Benchman Franklin and Robert C. Payne Lightning is going on fire.
[SPEAKER_07]: Charlie, we love having to get rid of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Charlie, we love having to get rid of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Charlie, we love having to get rid of it.
[UNKNOWN]: Charlie, we love having to get rid of it.
[SPEAKER_09]: Charlie, we love having to get rid of it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Charlie, we love
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_07]: Coming in here.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, we'll tell you.
[SPEAKER_09]: Say hello, Charlie.
[SPEAKER_04]: People say to be here tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_07]: We're gonna come in the door.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's going with us.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's going with the front.
[SPEAKER_09]: Probably this end.
[SPEAKER_09]: We'll see you guys tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_09]: Here.
[SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[SPEAKER_09]: Bye.