[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about this plan a year.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's good except it sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let me do the plan and that way it might be really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, welcome to It's More Accepted Songs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm movie by movie, I'm television series by television series, Hurtle through the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
[SPEAKER_02]: This time we're taking a look at Iron Month III, released in April, XIII.
[SPEAKER_02]: When, if you preferred, you could've gone to see Kenloch's launch campaign for the new Leftwing Party Left Unity, whilst it's got Sacy's Streeter Dreams, Dolce and Gabbana Robert, or Jennifer Anderson then worth a miller instead.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Tim Werthington, and here's what I had to say about Iron Monthly when I live tweeted by Marvel Cinematic Universe Overwatch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good, but feels weirdly standalone in the way that the others don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the phase change caused behind the scenes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Harley is a decent twist, though, and a mid-air rescue is thrilling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, I feel sixty-five.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I had to say about it, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd join me to give a thoughts on Iron Man III as podcasts to fill Qatar all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Phil, where can people find you?
[SPEAKER_03]: You can find me on Twitter at Fill Five Thousand, podcasting at Don't Let's Charts, also on Twitter at Don't Let's Charts.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's bad, really?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so before we're getting further, Phil, what happens in Iron Man III?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Following the events of Avengers assemble slash the Avengers, Delete is applicable Tony Stark is suffering from some sort of post-traumatic stress disorder which he's trying to get through by building as many Iron Man suits as he can and improving them over and over again.
[SPEAKER_03]: While this is going on, a terrorist called the Mandarin has appeared, who is blowing things up and generally being terrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's so many plot threads going on at once, I'm trying to work out which order to take everything in here.
[SPEAKER_03]: So while all that's going on, there's also a guy called Aldrich Killian who is trying to get Stark involved in some biologic engineering project, I think is the best way of describing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Pete, not interested in it because it's, well, he's just get pepper involved.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, Stark Industries through Pepper, who is now CEO of Stark Industries,
[SPEAKER_03]: God, I'm really struggling with this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I literally watched this yesterday and I know what happens in it, but put it all in order is complicated.
[SPEAKER_03]: Tony Stark, the class is going to go after the mandarin, the mandarin, then blows up his house.
[SPEAKER_03]: He manages to get in one of his suits and then disappears off somewhere in the Midwest, I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: And pepper is kidnapped by what we assume is the mandarin, but
[SPEAKER_03]: Turns out later to be Killian, because Killian's behind the Mandarin, who isn't really the Mandarin, he is in fact a British actor.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Tim, tell me if this is just me, is this film too many things going on at once?
[SPEAKER_02]: really really is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean you haven't even touched on at least two of the most obvious things then but I think we'll probably save them for when we're talking about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I know I'm really so I know it's nice to get a nice plot summary at the start of this but there's so many plot threads happening at the same time and
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'll be that this point I've wouldn't normally ask.
[SPEAKER_02]: What you knew about Iron Man before seeing this film, but we've already done that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have paid to talk about the first Iron Man film.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when we finish recording that, you said to me very pointedly, I'll come back and do Iron Man three because nobody else will want to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I can't deflate ignore that idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: You would write, it's the one that nobody claimed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had to say what you like to do, because I think it'd be quite funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: To revisit it from that perspective, because it's not a bad film.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's film is very difficult to talk about in less than eighteen thousand sub-courses.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, definitely.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's so many things.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not even talked about the fact that it opens with a flashback to nineteen nineteen nine.
[SPEAKER_03]: which is where your rifle's sixty-five comment in the summary comes from at some party in Switzerland.
[SPEAKER_03]: So to sort of rewind a bit, I do quite like this film.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot in it that I enjoy, but God it feels like a mess.
[SPEAKER_03]: Considering it's two hours and ten minutes long, like half of the cast seemed like push to one side, you know, peppers in it and it's important, but it's really not on screen that much throughout.
[SPEAKER_03]: It happy is laid up in hospital for a significant
[SPEAKER_03]: I came at this from the perspective of, oh, it's got extremism.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's, you know, we talked briefly about the extremist comic arc by Warren Ellison, Adi Granoff, in the last episode I was on, and this
[SPEAKER_03]: Extremists is like in here and there's bits of that in here, but they kind of turned it around and made it kind of a mess.
[SPEAKER_03]: It seemed like Shane Black was more interested in snappy dialogue than he was in something that made sense, frankly.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's a pretty pretty major strans going on the ones and it's such a thing as the loose adaptation the extremist comments.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there's the mandarin who was a long standing antagonist of Iron Man who could feel a whole movie by, well, we say himself, but it's all still quite mysterious who the mandarin actually is in the marble cinematic universe.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's also, I am Patriot, which is how war machines briefly be branded.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I am Patriot was at a ninety's creation, but it was basically a kind of knock-off I am, which was developed by an organization called Hammer, who stood in for shield, but were more zealous and gunker.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think you're more mid-two thousand on that than ninety's.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was when Norman Osborn somehow ended up running.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, first of all, he was running the Thunderbolts, then he ended up president.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think
[SPEAKER_03]: and formed Hammer instead of shield.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hammer didn't stand for anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: He just thought it was funny that it was called Hammer instead of shield because he was basically insane at that point.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm patriot basically just exists.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's if he smacked about by other characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Into the extent if I think I'm patriot was beaten by squirrel girl bonds, which if you don't know squibble girl, that's basically like Walter the Softy beat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now now, now canonically canonically squirrel girl has defeated Thanos.
[SPEAKER_03]: So don't don't don't don't even start.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that more on the lines the fact that I in Patriot was kind of a bit of a joke, but even so that is a third film-filling plot point when you think basically the second one was almost all of our war machine technically.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you've got these three massive things going on and they don't quite sit together.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, they really, I mean they do and they don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: The extremists and mandarin stuff that absolutely goes.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's definitely there, but yeah, as you say, the Iron Patriots stuff sort of barely sits alongside it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of... I'm just also a top of all that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's such a Christmas as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I mean, the only reason you know it's at a Christmas is not because of anything like in the film.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just that occasionally Christmas is mentioned.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like in die hard where it's like, it's a Christmas party.
[SPEAKER_03]: and this Christmas songs on the radio and all this sort of, there is barely any Christmas in this film other than occasionally them telling you that it's Christmas.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've already tracked this suit through the snow like a snake.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, I can't, yeah, okay, fine, I'll give you that, I'll give you that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, they just tell you it's Christmas rather than it being Christmas.
[SPEAKER_02]: on top of even that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything in this dude with the mandarin is really very informed by the whole bin Laden situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think where was the first time I filmed kind of played on the start of all that, you know, the war of Afghanistan and so on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very subtly, as a really effective comment, this goes way too far.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well over the top also what really part of me is the mandarin does a dress is which kind of break into all broadcast media is obviously inspired by the fact that Bin Laden's video takes
[SPEAKER_02]: mail to some sympathetic digital stations and they don't look convincing as a broadcast intrusion.
[SPEAKER_02]: They look like somebody trying to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm hoping most people listening will have seen this and much had through broadcast intrusion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where somebody broke into I think it was firstly it was a baseball game wasn't then Dr. Hill later on with a much had to mask on but that is terrifying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's really low rats as well, which makes it even worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this just isn't the just don't get that riot and that kind of jars for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of those things where TV shows and things someone breaking into all broadcast media is a thing that can happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it really isn't a thing that
[SPEAKER_03]: that like, how would you, how would you even start on that level of complexity?
[SPEAKER_03]: When you find out later on that the person that's doing it is older, killing and played by Guy Pearce, who has no expertise in this area whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who's he hired to do this?
[SPEAKER_03]: How many people has he got doing this?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you need literally thousands of people to do just that broadcast intrusion stuff, never mind anything else, that AIM gets up to.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also going low tech was a way of staying on the radar and the way that he did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, did just be hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to be signal going.
[SPEAKER_02]: Isn't?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, just reminded me of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Trevor Frank Skinner had that song in the mid-thousand way.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was kind of the spoofed George form, be think about the hump of Bin Laden.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was a bit like, if he's doing so well, then you tell me why a video to it, not a DVD.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which you know, in itself is an incredibly dated, but that was the whole thing, was people were going low tech.
[SPEAKER_02]: in a high tech A, and I don't like using the word thriving, but that's what was happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, kind of, you know, it took a significant amount of effort for him to be tracked down and dealt with.
[SPEAKER_03]: Unlike this, we're totally sort of based on the assessment boundary.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's my address, come another fight with me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, who then blows up his house.
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't really work quite how he intended.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, in terms of like taking down the boundary, and it just shows up at his house, it just turns up with no, you know,
[SPEAKER_03]: We're on, we're sort of jumping around all over the place, but the bit where he goes and just turns up at the Mandarin's compound and deals him with a bunch of improvised weapons.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like that because that's doing the two things of Tony start getting over his need to have a suit that's causing him panic attacks and everything and it's also reminding everyone that no, he just, he makes stuff, that's what he does.
[SPEAKER_03]: he makes the things and the things in this case are like a nail gun and a taser so he didn't make those he bought those but you don't mean it's a series of improvised weapons rather than stuff that he built in his garage
[SPEAKER_02]: building in the garage there's the really odd interlude in this I think really works well I should say get stranded in Tennessee but he hides out the garage with a kick called Harley yes who's a bit of a bit of a tacky geek but not a stereotypical one who helps in rebuilding the suits and I think it really works relationship between the really works but it didn't really pay off when he turns up without getting too much weight a key scene and engage yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think the general reaction was because you know that he grows up a bit since then and people say who is that Stuart Lee kid?
[SPEAKER_03]: What's going to say it's been eight years in this he's about what eleven twelve so the difference between someone at twelve and someone at twenty is so massive that I was one of the many people going who's that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Who's that person standing there?
[SPEAKER_03]: This is basically Marvel's Iron Man III.
[SPEAKER_01]: Armor off with Sonic blasting Iron Man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Power up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hasbro's biggest electronic Iron Man with a motorized missile launcher.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sonic blasting Iron Man battery's not included.
[SPEAKER_02]: Armor off.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's kind of full-shadowed.
[SPEAKER_02]: The relationship has to be a piece of park.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the Spider-Man fit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, definitely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this quite a lot of stuff that full-shadows the later films.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the fact, you know, he has his, I checked.
[SPEAKER_03]: which suits are in this film.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the Iron Legion consists of Mark eight through to Mark forty one.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's like thirty suits on screen at one point and they've all got you know different features.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that sort of foreshadows what happens in age of Ultron where he builds a legion of automated robots which goes really badly as basically everything Tony Stark does does in these films.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we'll probably talk in a minute about what extreme is actually involved, but I just want to make a quick point about now Guy Payers, I think as a tremendous act that I don't even enables, he really stood out with some of the who could act rather than just deliver the lines and look pretty at the camera and he's been great in so many things.
[SPEAKER_02]: In this, I feel he is basically just guy payers playing a guy payers villain.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, pretty much not much to the character.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he himself has commented on that that if you more, he's not actually in that much of the film himself.
[SPEAKER_03]: In a way, that's by design because you're not supposed to think of him as the villain until he's properly revealed as the villain.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's something up with him and you think he's working for the Mandarin and then it's flipped around to be, you know, he found a drunkard on his up as actor.
[SPEAKER_03]: called Trevor Slattery played excellently by Ben Kingsley, and then just got him to act to the part of the Mandarin, which I think it's very generous when at some point someone describes his voice as being like a southern preacher.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, no, it doesn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: It sounds like a British person doing a bad American accent.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Ben Kingsley's great, but his American accent in this is terrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it sounds like Russell Brown to be honest.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's really not good at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it's still an excellent performance, especially when
[SPEAKER_03]: He's being traversed later rather than being the man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so extremists is a, it's a process rather than like a drug or anything like that that grants people the ability to heal lost limbs and most injuries in general.
[SPEAKER_03]: and ridiculous speed and strength, the ability to breathe fire, but with the risk that you might explode, if you cannot properly regulate your temperature.
[SPEAKER_03]: Temperature, temper, that's the word.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, but allowed quite a few, a likely-henge people to be used, it kind of a reworked form, and characters that wouldn't have gotten it normally, I think, is Eric Sappin, who's the main kind of second-tier bugger.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: the comics he was cold blood okay basically kind of like a prototype booky bombs I love obviously bookies about to appear in the films they would not have used you know a guy with a cybernetic arm but they can use him kind of cyberneticized in the sense yeah okay
[SPEAKER_02]: There's also Jack Taket who was firepower, who obviously is the one that blasts off me, the fire out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think at some point he had the kind of Iron Manish suit in the company.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, you've already got Iron Man and Iron Patriot, stroke war machine in this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there wouldn't have been brewing for him otherwise.
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, they've used that as a route to get him in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they've also got Alan Brandt who, with thing, was an antagonist of Mam thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: who half a face was burnt off.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: They kind of represent that in this, but she appears, she's the one in that really, really cool fight scene in the box.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, no, that's good, that one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can we jump a bit over to the extreme of storytelling in the comic now that we're talking about extremists itself?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it's sort of the same but also sort of not.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's worth sort of looking at what the differences are a bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: So in the comic, it's still my handsome who's in the film who kind of created it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Old Rich Killian is someone that was hurt boss on this project who is in one page of the comic and shoots himself in the head at the end of that page.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is barely in the story at all, and he is no-poddy.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's weird that they picked that name up to use it for this, because he genuinely knocked it at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it streams kind of does the same sort of thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it rewires the brain's repair center.
[SPEAKER_03]: The idea is that your brain has a blueprint of what your body is supposed to be like in it, so that if you get a cut, it heals the cut.
[SPEAKER_03]: if you, you know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this likes overclock, sit and also gives a slightly different blueprints.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you get extra organs to do things like heel faster, superhuman strength and speed and breathing fire.
[SPEAKER_03]: It does not have anything whatsoever that causes you to explode.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are no downsides to extremists at all in the comic.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is just a thing that makes superhuman.
[SPEAKER_03]: The main thrust of the comic is that what Tony Stark has been doing has been building better and better and faster and faster suits.
[SPEAKER_03]: He can't beat this.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a person that doesn't have to control anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: They literally just punch him harder than he can deal with and move faster than he can fly the suit around and all that sort of stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he ends up modifying extreme is taking it himself so he can integrate more with his suit.
[SPEAKER_03]: and then kills the domestic terrorist that's been injected with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it later turns out that my handsome was the one that gave it to the terrorist as like a field trial for extremists because her funding had been cut.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it's still everyone's a bad guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting that they played this as this is someone making a power play for like America in general in the comic.
[SPEAKER_03]: The bad guy is a white supremacist.
[SPEAKER_03]: terrorist who has got hold of it so that someone can prove a point rather than for any sort of idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got an ideological reason.
[SPEAKER_03]: My aunt did not have an idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, she did.
[SPEAKER_03]: She wanted the funding so that she could use it to do something better.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it was very ends justify the mean sort of stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: The comic is a bit more talking about what technology is like, you know, how do we progress forward from just building better machines?
[SPEAKER_03]: The film is not like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is very much
[SPEAKER_03]: It's entirely about Tony Stark's.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to say road to redemption because he still messes everything up again after this, but it's fixing himself after becoming terrified of everything following the, is it the, do they refer to it as the battle for New York in the Marvel Cinematic Universe?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's the events of Avengers isn't it?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's him dealing with that, which you know, fair enough.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a playboy scientist and he nearly died throwing a nuclear weapon through a space portal.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, okay, you're you're allowed to take some time to address that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you are, but then really just there's too much going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think a lot goes on in the first Guardians of the Galaxy film, but it's basically that all being asked to get one of the infinity stones for different reasons.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And run up against it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Something like, oh, you know, the first Spider-Man film is somebody is selling
[SPEAKER_02]: modified weapons made with alien tech and inspired the mantra has to stop but this is just so many things at once and I think the so much irony in Joan Rivers has a cameo yeah I am Patriot and says they've called it I am Patriot just in case you thought the paint was too subtle I was like have you seen this film yeah this is when I think of Shane Black I think of Predator and unfortunately now the Predator no don't
[SPEAKER_03]: That I try not to.
[SPEAKER_03]: Was the last boy scout one of his?
[UNKNOWN]: It was.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Monster Squad, which I completely forgot.
[SPEAKER_02]: The whole weapon I think as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's some bits like towards the end where Tony and Rodi have no suits.
[SPEAKER_03]: They've got one gun each and one magazine each.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the back and forth between them is I'm sure some of it was improvised because it's Robert Downey Jr.
[SPEAKER_03]: But
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very very shame black that whole section of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is all back and forth and banter and bounding off each other and being obnoxious to each other while clearly being good friends and that's where there's some very very very shame black stuff in this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I like it, but it doesn't necessarily sit with all the other stuff in film.
[SPEAKER_02]: them in the Ironman costume and it's thrilling even though you know he's gonna get them all it really is actually the seat still yeah and he's making jokes throughout it and then after he's dropped them all safely into the water he's immediately hit by a train and for a second just for a second you think
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you find that was actually controlling one of the suits by the remote control.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that whole sequence.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so well done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the timing of that shock is absolutely no perfect.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of good timing in the action he bits certainly.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's the bit where he's trying to fight Killian without a suit on then sort of runs away from him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we first of all, he puts the suit on Killian and then detonates it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a good bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: But there's always that first
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't even remember the sequence of this because there's so many things having there's a bit where he's running away from him and he's shouting at Jarvis to give him a suit and every time he's about to get one it gets knocked out the way or it gets blown up just as it gets to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of stuff like that guy gone and there's a bit back to the Shane Blackisms where he's tied up in the Mandarin's layer and he's waiting for like his suit to arrive and he thinks he's calculated the flight time properly and he just keeps going and now and now well the two gods are like yeah now I'm really concerned
[SPEAKER_03]: There's so many people in this.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's so many sort of like really good characters in this that we've not even got to yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've got William Sadler as the president.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know he's been the president before.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know to make most people his death from Bill and Ted's bogus journey or the guy in die hard to whose name I've forgotten because no one could remember anyone's name in die hard to.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've got Miguel Ferret and one of his last
[SPEAKER_03]: film roles as the voice president who's evil double-crosser.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a cast of news anchors playing themselves and bloody bill more of all people who can get in the bin.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry if you're a fan of bill more.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whoever you are.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah there's loads of people in this that are really good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Stan Lee's cameo is very brief but still entertaining.
[SPEAKER_02]: who we barely even touched, but deals with the climax of the Hill so well, which is Grindelwald Paltrow, because Pappers basically basically had the not treated very well for the whole film.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it kind of looks so, she's about to be rescued from an old school Hollywood damsel in distress thing, because Killian's basically, in effect, because he can't have her who's going to kill her.
[SPEAKER_02]: She basically thinks, I'm not having this, having been affected by the extremists herself, basically your beats into
[SPEAKER_03]: pretty much I mean to be like let's be fair you think she's dead at one point because she falls two hundred feet into some fire and then she just shows up again and starts hitting him with a with a stick if I'm
[SPEAKER_03]: It's quite a big and heavy salute, but yeah, and then it was kind of disappointing that Tony's like, yeah, no, no, we'll cure you with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, yeah, cure of being amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good work, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know later, of course, she becomes a rascal, but they don't really tell anyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: They want them to show something they can gain from snicking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, you've got that brief hint where it's like, ah, making a pursuit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you've forgotten that three hours later, that's fair, that's fair.
[SPEAKER_03]: This has to be fair to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: This has one of my favorite post-credit scenes from Marvel film.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it doesn't lead into anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: It literally just turns out that Tony's been telling this story to Bruce Banner, who fell asleep at the start of it, and that's it, that's all it is.
[UNKNOWN]: This is one thing you won't do during this film.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's for the sleep.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just going up and so many other directions at the same time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's so much going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: His little speech at the end is good as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's fairly sort of character defining.
[SPEAKER_02]: because they knew they weren't going to do any more Hulk solo films and thought, hang on, before the next Avengers film would be better in buying people the excess.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, what's the time deal?
[SPEAKER_03]: What else was that?
[SPEAKER_03]: So you had Avengers then you had this?
[SPEAKER_03]: Thor the Dark World.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was before Age of Ultron.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, I think that man was after me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's also Captain America, the Winter Soldier as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course there is.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Hulk isn't in.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, we're just going to forgotten who the Hulk is.
[SPEAKER_02]: My next adventure.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, but they might have forgotten that it's marked roughly.
[SPEAKER_03]: They might have forgotten that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But also putting this at the very end of the film two years before it probably not the best way of people people are inviting to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, it maybe this is supposed to be like when they're working on the old tron stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's when this is this story telling is supposed to be happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, somewhere out there, somebody has done a massive timeline of everything that happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not looking common all day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Literally the extent of those three episodes of Daredevil go there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and then although it's on the later guardians of the galaxy, then the next episode of Daredevil.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: somewhere that post credits scene will be in it, but I don't push, I can't
[SPEAKER_03]: Wait does that mean that it'll have like the bit from civil war where it's the hologram of Tony talking to his parents in the hologram kitchen?
[SPEAKER_03]: They're gonna go, well that happened here when Tony was out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh goodness sake.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's to that extent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no need.
[SPEAKER_03]: No need.
[SPEAKER_02]: Separates the Jessica Jones episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want your cray cray, which I think is set in the late nineties.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is... I'm not a board of this.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's like I once wondered if they would ever do a DVD release of last where they put it into chronological order.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would show the bit of that episode of the horror of Fang Rock that was disrupted by Max Andrew.
[UNKNOWN]: To what end?
[SPEAKER_03]: Just because I could.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't say fair with him that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Feel, thank you, and excellency.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you very much.
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