[SPEAKER_00]: Gensu for fifty k. He's claiming that I didn't have permission to react to his public videos on TikTok and YouTube.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess it's just trying to scare me with the money of like the lot students like remain silent for us my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fifty k is scared a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_00]: They capitalize on your emotions, your weakness, your desperation, your situation, and also your ignorance.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what that profit is saying, does not align up with the word of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's coming from the devil.
[SPEAKER_00]: Using the Bible out of context to really benefit for themselves and not rather for the church.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're actually called to be servants.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not supposed to come out here and just become millionaires while we have poor people in church.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is there a solution to that?
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't be at the top in Hollywood, and serve God, impossible because it's right-of-passed.
[SPEAKER_00]: God did not create us to just force himself upon us.
[SPEAKER_00]: He created us to choose him, but which is the more looks they don't want you to choose.
[SPEAKER_00]: They want you to be controlled.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does that mean everyone has a demon?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but I believe you cannot serve two masters.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I believe in your joints for turning his, you had a battle of something to get something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to Hardly Initiated.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is your host, Ty Sean Jackson in the building with my co-host Ryan Catches.
[SPEAKER_01]: I listen, and I hear it in your voice, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: You ready for this one?
[SPEAKER_01]: Me too, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's me too already for this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is that season, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me tell you, if you don't already know, you need to go ahead and copy the renewing of my journal.
[SPEAKER_01]: The biggest thing is people don't know what to do when they wake up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we have put together a rock solid routine, which of course includes scribe aka journal aka get your renewed of my journal.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can reflect and then you can acknowledge all of the blessings and gratefulness and, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: that you just want to record.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really keeping up with your life pretty much.
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we got three daily prompts in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to help you structure a morning routine.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got a lot of cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you've never journal before, this is a great start of journal.
[SPEAKER_03]: And even if you got some momentum, we've got free writing for you every single day.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you can have some prompts and get your thoughts off.
[SPEAKER_03]: So go ahead.
[SPEAKER_03]: The link is in the description.
[SPEAKER_03]: But now let's get to this brother here because this is probably going to be the first
[SPEAKER_03]: ever interview you've ever seen of this brother and you noticed got here I can tell you he's probably been overexposed in your favorite pastor all right yeah favorite pastor's favorite pastor absolutely I've become a fan of his brothers here his work
[SPEAKER_03]: His boldness.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got a six-time offer here.
[SPEAKER_03]: X professional basketball player, a husband and a profit.
[SPEAKER_03]: In the building here, we got a better go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Lufella.
[SPEAKER_03]: He can't hit the roll.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was practicing that all before the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's tough.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's tough.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't get the hang of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I did better because they said word on the street is actually they car hit call in my brother a bad Negro.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is that call from a bad Negro?
[SPEAKER_00]: It just when I was a kid in middle school honestly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're saying back then.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know what I mean.
[SPEAKER_03]: The African names was getting a girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: All the African brothers was getting it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never used to go over my first name as a kid.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just call me Benny when I was a kid.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's used to butcher all the time growing up.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how you make a cool Benny.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to talk about a hospital conversation, man, because you got to, you know, it's a big deal going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got a whole campaign.
[SPEAKER_01]: You getting sued.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the situation?
[SPEAKER_00]: Getting sued for fifty K from this Nigerian pastor in South Africa.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fifty thousand dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of money, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, why was somebody going to sue you for fifty thousand?
[SPEAKER_01]: I could imagine why, but I, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to silence you, you know, one hundred set of silence you, because it's a copyright infringement lawsuit, which means basically he's claiming that I didn't have permission to react to his public videos on TikTok and YouTube.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess he's just trying to scare me with the money of like the lawsuit and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I remain silent for us in my life.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fifty KS care a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell you that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fifty K sounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's intimidating.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what's crazy?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we got sued to, you know, last year, we had a war ready series, which was super dope.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, it's kind of like a round-up one year anniversary that right now anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we had, we had to, for... This round I get sued again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, we had to.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had the first episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first episode of the series was supposed to be like this Napoleon Hill, you know, we have the devil.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we like, okay, we're going out with the witch.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're gonna have a witch, a celebrity witch come onto the platform.
[SPEAKER_03]: Tell our evil secrets.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tell all the evil secrets.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a long story short that didn't, that went kind of crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was getting a bunch of views, but it was, we was catching massive amounts of heat.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it was a bad interview.
[SPEAKER_03]: Bad interview.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was because she came up glorified to them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she was trying to like actually make witchcraft kind of not that bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, we end up having Tiffany Montgomery on and, um, I think, pass the Kevin Yuen next episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you are, you know, they went slap hand like they just rebuked every.
[SPEAKER_01]: First half, the first half, the first half, the first, the first that she breathes on every figure print.
[SPEAKER_01]: They rebuked their whole existence.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and we end up getting sued.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was when I realized what was really going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, man, people really don't want you to share your thoughts about the destructive things as they're going on behind a scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: One hundred percent exactly what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the Bible tells us to do, you know, contrary to what they're trying to make us do.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're trying to make us silent.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the Bible tells us to cry a lot of despair not, you know, expose the unfruful deeds of darkness, speech at the five or so eleven.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, if we're not doing that and we're just saying silent, we're not doing the work of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I believe that we need it more.
[SPEAKER_00]: We need it more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, with the wisdom, but if we remain silent, we'll just keep allowing the deception of pull through.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, let me ask you this, because at that point, when we initially got so, you know, we call, you know, people that we trust to get some perspective, and one of those people was Tiffany Montgomery.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, her thoughts on it was love.
[SPEAKER_01]: no witch, sell, sell, prosper, you know what I mean, like, listen, I don't care what she wants, we gonna fight this, you know, this is situation, and that was the situation, that actually made me feel very comfortable with what she do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now of course, you know, she offered her assistance.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, me and I, we, we, we grown.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: So we like, hey, we gonna take care of this on our own.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we begin to take care of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a amount I wanted to say she was asking like how much was like ten thousand or something like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That first was hot.
[SPEAKER_01]: First is way hotter.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we, we, we, we, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but we hotter and the attorney got a return of this this ten thousand amount.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was tricky because we didn't really want to kind of deal with the situation because it's very task and, you know, you got these follow-ups, then you got to keep and the lawyer to fight this thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what is your plan to handle this situation?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because obviously, I know you don't want to stop talking about, you know, exposing people for what it is, but, you know, it's hassle.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's issues that comes along.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's your plan for this?
[SPEAKER_00]: For this specific situation, I did have a plan, my lawyer wanted to see, you know, what could be done and what not.
[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously there's really nothing that could be done except fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever option I take, the other party, it's all about balancing me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all about money, it's about science and me, that's all it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't really have an option, an option is just a fight, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't have a desire to keep like doing a specific video on this guy, because I've done four videos in my whole lifetime of him, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like a personal thing, but I guess because my influence, my credibility, you just want to, wants to silence me for good, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't really have a choice except to fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Period.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we raised him, we raised him, fifty-k?
[SPEAKER_00]: Raising fifty k at we're out like right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think like twenty six twenty seven k and we got that with them like I think thirty days So that's been a huge blessing like it's been a big blessing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we get listen.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to support the fight because the link is in a description for anybody That wants to support is going to be in the description for this entire episode So you can go right down below the video and you can go ahead and support our brother as well because my fifty that's not like you got a family to take care of and a family to feed a hundred percent definitely not like
[SPEAKER_01]: Got to support the creative suit, man, because I just think it's whack when people try to take that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you put out the content.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is public content at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: People can do whatever they want to.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just think it's whack that people do that in the general.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, just, you know, you wanted to bolder spaces of YouTube and creators with you actually wanting to pretty much expose people in darkness.
[SPEAKER_03]: What even inspired you to get into space in the first place?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I used to be a victim.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like to say, you know, your best teachers, really outside of the Holy Spirit, your best teacher is experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I used to be extremely deceived by false prophets, you know, money manipulation.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they see to get this miracle.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I came from a family where we didn't have a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: So we just, we are always told if you give your money to the church, you won't get this much money back, double portion.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you keep giving, giving, giving, giving, giving and getting nothing back.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you now become, man now becomes your God.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, no longer relying on the Lord and working hard, you're just trying to give money to get money.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not biblical, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: So after being deceived for a while, that is when I decided to start to sound the alarm and then I started making it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I started on TikTok and then I started trending on TikTok like crazy and just spread through all the platforms and then we're here today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what was the situation like the deception?
[SPEAKER_01]: What did that stem from?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the first time I remember when I went to this church, my sister introduced my family to this church in Toronto.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this guy was accurate.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he could tell you everything about your life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And let's say the future, but like, I wore a green shirt yesterday.
[SPEAKER_00]: This happened with your sister yesterday.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have this addiction, you're struggling with this.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what you did last night.
[SPEAKER_00]: He could reveal things unto you that are accurate.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't know anything about divination or false prophets back then.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I actually thought he was a man of God and how old were you by the way?
[SPEAKER_00]: I was at that time was twenty eighteen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe like twenty four, maybe twenty four.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then right now I'm thirty one.
[SPEAKER_00]: So at that time, I'm thinking like this guy is like, he's legit because he's so accurate.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as time progressed, he started teaching weird things like Jesus is not the light.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then one service he told me, after this is asked my mom dying, he's like yo, he called my family, he's like yo, like my condolences of what happened to your mom, she died of cancer, was sorry, you know, but he was the one that was actually praying for my mother in prophesying that everything's okay, this is just the beginning God's gonna deliver and have died, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And he calls us, he's like my condolences, but I have a warning, you know, we need to come to you, you need to, we need to come to the church ASAP, like you've got to come right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we went to the next Sunday, me and my brother, Mishak,
[SPEAKER_00]: And we get there and like the church starts praying for us and whatnot and we start crying and then like he brings us to the front and he starts prophesying death on my dad.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said in eighty three days your dad's gonna die and there's nothing we can do about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's just this pause.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, but we can pray, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sitting there, I'm like, oh my gosh, and he tells me my mom's standing there and like waving and whatnot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't really understand the scriptures back then.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't understand that this guy was straight up lying to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the Bible says to be absent from the body to be present with the Lord.
[SPEAKER_00]: And mom's not there dancing and whatnot should just die.
[SPEAKER_00]: And at that point in time, I lived in fear.
[SPEAKER_00]: My wife came down when we were just dating, and she would give her ten percent income to this guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: He would touch her belly button, and then she'd fall into the floor, and then he would be like, okay, she's fully delivered.
[SPEAKER_00]: But after that, my wife started having a lot of health issues, a lot of health issues, and things were going crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: After that prayer, she would back to America, lots of job.
[SPEAKER_00]: So everything started going downhill, you know what I mean.
[SPEAKER_00]: And after we found out the true through deliverance, brain, certain people, through deliverance, my wife, through deliverance, and also my sister through deliverance, that's what opened my eyes and then, again, to the place of prayer and fasting and then he ended up blocking me and we stayed disconnected.
[SPEAKER_00]: But now that I know the word, a lot of the things I was teaching was witchcraft, manipulation.
[SPEAKER_00]: teaching against the vinity of Jesus, focusing more on man and man's ability, man's power, and you can be like me if you do this and that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So that sort of really came from, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: If they took advantage of people who were desperate, my mom and cancer, people who didn't know the word of God took advantage over us.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're giving your money, seven hundred dollars, God's going to listen to this and that foolishness.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I really started from.
[SPEAKER_01]: So okay, so I guess I got a bunch of later questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the first thing that I'm thinking when you said That pastor that church he prophesized death over your family and then touching your wife's belly button Both of those things just seem highly inappropriate to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm like first don't don't don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, okay And then you got this part of like it to me is instant
[SPEAKER_01]: If I got an instant issue, you say somebody in my family gonna die.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, is that, had you heard of anything now that you, you know, more experience, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you got more knowledge, like, is that, should purpose be doing that, proper time, death, like, is that typical, what's the situation?
[SPEAKER_00]: They take a scripture out of context in the Old Testament, but in the New Testament, it's possible, but there's always room for repentance, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You can say, okay, I deserve this if it's truly coming from God, if you don't repent, this can be your fate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even death because the Bible says in the book of Luke, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It says that repent or all of you would likewise perish.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it says in the book of Luke.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it's truly coming from the Lord, that's the Lord, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: The Lord wants you to repent because the Bible says God does not take pleasure in the perishing of the wicked, but anyone just that says you'll die.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not coming from God.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if there's room for repentance and something is conditional and it's truly coming from God, it can be said if it's truly coming from God.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, Jonah actually also did go and tell the people that they were going to perish as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't change.
[SPEAKER_00]: It can come from God, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the heart of God is not to destroy people, it's to bring people into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the Bible says that God is not slack and certainly is promise as some understand slackness, but he's long suffering so that all will come into repentance.
[SPEAKER_00]: But unfortunately not everyone comes.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bible says that God gave just about time to repent because he didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: disorder, cast it onto a sick bed, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But see, you know, I guess there is some, you know, like we kind of grew up, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: The, I guess the, the board more common prophecy you heard from like the OGs in the school when they see you, you know, doing dope as you skip a class.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, look, this guy, you either gonna be dead on jail.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you keep this going, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of one of the more common prophecies.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you want to call it, I guess, a prophecy.
[SPEAKER_03]: But more just whizz them or common sense, that this is where you're headed.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what it wrote in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of these two.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now a man who's absolutely just healthy or just living life and they walk up to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's my thing too, because I told you this, you know, even before, I've naturally been a skeptic.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the way I grew up, when I see people in the church,
[SPEAKER_03]: touch, you're getting touched, and they just fall and out.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, I grew up in the era two on cable, we're right after like Tempium.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got the brother on their selling, the prayer blanket.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to just call one a hundred.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I've always just been a natural skeptic.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what is the person's mindset?
[SPEAKER_03]: Who's hearing these prophecies, who's seeing this?
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're actually like, you know what, I need to believe this man of God.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's the mindset that comes with that?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the thing about false prophets is that they capitalize on your emotions, your weakness, your desperation, your situation, right, and also your ignorance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the Bible says, my people pair with a lack of knowledge.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when I was in that scenario, my mindset was like, I'm willing to do everything and anything to avoid this happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it has to do with money if it has to do keep coming to this church because one of the conditions for me was you need to keep coming back here Every week you got to keep coming back here make this thing your home church Right, so I kept doing those things kept doing those things right in fear So in your mind when you don't know the scriptures the prophet to you was like the mouthpiece of God and he tells you everything and you just believe it because you're ignorant of the scriptures right right if what the prophet said the so-called prophet says if it's contrary
[SPEAKER_00]: to the words of Jesus, it's coming from the devil, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the Bible tells us that we should not be listening to anyone that teaches them contrary to sound doctrine, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So if what that prophet is saying, there's not a line up with the word of God, it's coming from the devil, one hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was deceived by the devil, made my family for years, so and so and so and so and so and and never breaking out of poverty, financial setback, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Until we came to the knowledge of the truth.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I always thought it was weird that your motive for giving is for, it's like the church is like a venom machine, I'm putting in, I'm putting in ten dollars here and I'm hitting A one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm expecting to get this thing right back out of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: If your heart is ever giving so you know God can so back into your life,
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that wrong?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or should you expect to see some kind of financial blessing back into your life when you give into the church?
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe giving in a way is like worship unto God.
[SPEAKER_00]: We shouldn't give for a miracle back, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bible says that each one should give as they have decided in their own heart, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Not for a long time, not under pressure for God loves a cheerful giver.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you can give cheerfully if you give a hundred dollars and want ten million back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe the majority of people in the church today are given for the place of greed because the prophet promises them you're going to get double back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and I feel like that's why a lot of people don't give to the poor because they don't feel like they're gonna get anything back.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't get a blessing from the poor.
[SPEAKER_00]: The poor can't pray for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: The poor can't prophesy to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: The poor can't do anything for you, but scripture does say that he that gives to the poor, lends it to God and God will repay him.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's not being taught in the church because the church wants the money.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, so I don't believe you can have a proper heart posture when you give if it's just you expecting money back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: What about does anything might happen to the homeless because Ryan can't stand homeless people.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me tell you.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: If a homeless person walked up, you just see Ryan instantly get pissed.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, sir, no, we don't have anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to join my meal here, sir.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know what people are going to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not my judgment.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just find it inappropriate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if I'm doing something, I find it like just disrupting up my peace.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now maybe that's wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do have that, I do, because I've heard that before, especially from Tasha.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, but this is not a personal document on how I feel about people asking for money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay?
[SPEAKER_03]: Not a personal document.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is more so about, you know, should you even be concerned about that?
[SPEAKER_01]: How somebody goes, like, given to the homeless, like, how they go about spending the money after?
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, or what they might do with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: She'd only be for this cause that you know is going to exactly what they say as opposed to going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think this should be a love of concern and like questioning because I feel like there are some people, first of all, on the street that they're faking it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And number two, there are some people that are on there that they are there by more cigarettes, more drugs to get high again to jab and needle on their arm again.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that, you know, sometimes people just buy people food, buy the homeless food.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've done that before and I've had, I've had a homeless guy reject me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, it'd be upset for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go walk straight to the trash can right by the food that you yeah, and I gave I bought them a sub and he threw it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want money.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's when I knew it was like just got wants money for the wrong reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's that's real.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's one percent real.
[SPEAKER_01]: You remember this kind of we can't get into story mode that you remember one time me and Tasha was on an edge with
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a homeless guy that asked for like, it was like fifty bucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the fifty bucks was for him to enter into a chest tournament at Pmont Park.
[SPEAKER_01]: You remember that?
[SPEAKER_03]: I do remember that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Tashão was like, yeah, he was like, of course, like listen, but this is the deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tashão said, I will give you fifty dollars right now as long as tomorrow I can meet you at the chest tournament.
[SPEAKER_01]: and if you win, I think the prize is like five hundred bucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, if you win, you've got to split the win this with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, that homeless dude rejected that deal so fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was so fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was absolutely not.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a fan of you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I'm investing in you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I started going, I'm investing in you.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was absolutely not.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was so pissed off.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had to walk it away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Random random.
[SPEAKER_01]: Random story.
[SPEAKER_03]: Random story.
[SPEAKER_01]: No more to that story.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's what I want to ask you here because obviously you do a lot of research of people in the space and people in ministry put on messages.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who are you most concerned about right now?
[SPEAKER_03]: Whether who are you concerned?
[SPEAKER_03]: Just who are you concerned about right now?
[SPEAKER_03]: As far as the ministry and it don't even necessarily have the most concerned but just who just generally do you have concern about what they're doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think it's pretty obvious.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say like, you know, first of all, my biggest concern is the body of Christ, the sheep, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not concerned for what they're doing, but rather what they're receiving and who they're receiving.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the Bible says, while men slept, their enemy came in so tears among the wheat.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that just really means like while people are ignorant, not reading their Bible is not praying, not alert.
[SPEAKER_00]: False prophets come, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they take over.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would say my biggest concern right now, especially in North America, to be the lovies, the passion javas, people like that, that are just using the Bible out of context to really benefit and
[SPEAKER_00]: and benefit for themselves when not rather for the church.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the church is supposed to benefit.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're actually called to be servants.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not supposed to come out here and just become millionaires while we have poor people in the church.
[SPEAKER_00]: People are struggling.
[SPEAKER_00]: People who would just need help.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're just getting all this money promising.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this seed, so that seed and this is going to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Much of foolishness.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But unfortunately, this is happening all across the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just low Indian passenger java.
[SPEAKER_00]: But rather, it's all throughout the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a system, not a people thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a system.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bible calls it doctrines of demons, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of these people are capitalizing on that doctrine, that system that has been actually happening since Old Testament time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all about exchange.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bible talks about the Canaanites, how they would sacrifice their own children
[SPEAKER_00]: for power, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They were sacrificed on children to mole like.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that system is still operating today.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the whole test mode was more so children dying, people dying, and almost sacrificed.
[SPEAKER_00]: New Testament now is like money.
[SPEAKER_00]: It exchange for this that same system.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so check this out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you got those two guys, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you got other people that we've known and just people in the world that are accused of using the Bible in this perverted or distorted fashion, right to support whatever it is their causes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we had like the two gay pastors on.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've had, you know, like I told you mentioned a witch and just other people who used the Bible to support whatever it is they mission is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you mentioned that those two guys are the prophet, loving and pastor
[SPEAKER_00]: Prash and Jeeva.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, those who guys about taking the scripture out of context, but who determines the context?
[SPEAKER_00]: When you study the Bible, you understand context.
[SPEAKER_00]: The issue with a lot of people is that they read a verse.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like for instance, people say the Bible says, do not judge.
[SPEAKER_00]: They only say that because they read Matthew chapter seven verse one.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you continue to read verse by verse, it's actually of rebuking people that judge from doing the exact same things.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bible says, first take the plank out of your own eye, then you can help your brother.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the Bible's actually condemning hip-hop greasy, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think if people study the Bible in context,
[SPEAKER_00]: They will understand that certain things in the Old Testament are not applicable in the New Testament for instance, and the Old Testament says an I for an I to a for a tooth, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But Jesus says, turn the other cheek.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jesus even calls the book of Exodus and says, and that past time was an I for an I for an I for an I for a tooth and the other cheek.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've read two for two, but today I tell you, turn the other cheek to not even even evil.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there are certain things in the Old Testament that no longer apply in the New Testament, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: For instance, animal sacrifice.
[SPEAKER_00]: New Testament, Jesus is the last sacrifice.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if we study scripture in context, we will understand what is applicable and not as applicable and who is abusing scripture and who is it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, see, I guess, but I still think Ryan's question is valid in a way where there's so many people studying.
[SPEAKER_03]: And because it isn't that related to why we have so many people having different philosophies, different nomination.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because so many people are having their own understanding out within the same book essentially.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is there a solution to that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, is there a real solution to the fact that you got people all over the world from different walks of life reading this book and having these different, I guess conclusions, if you will, how do we combat if you can or correct that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I think what we're even seeing now is it's a lot of fighting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even now, with Christian, it's not even different religions fighting.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's us reading the same book fighting each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: I personally think there's a difference between, let's say, for instance, a Tiffany Montgomery and a Jackie O'Perry having a little dispute regarding scripture versus like a false prophet and like someone like myself, because a false prophet's agenda is to prefer the scriptures in lead you away.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's as a agenda.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jackie Hill Perry will just have a difference in theology, maybe when it comes to spiritual warfare and deliverance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tiffany Montgomery, woman of God, Jackie O'Perry, woman of God, but there's a massive difference between that and them.
[SPEAKER_00]: versus someone that is a wolf that's using the Bible to cause a great falling away.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the Bible says in the last days, many will depart from the faith, give you heat to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons.
[SPEAKER_00]: That means someone is in the body of Christ, teaching the Word of God purposely to mislead people.
[SPEAKER_00]: They know the truth, but they're using it and twisting it to turn people away from Jesus.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why Jesus says, beware of false prophets.
[SPEAKER_00]: inwardly, they are ravenous wolves.
[SPEAKER_00]: They come to you with shoes and wolves clothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So these people aren't intentionally taking scripture on a context, intentionally studying it to mislead people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now here's the thing you're saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: You brought up Jackie, Hilperi, and Tiffany Montgomery.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now what people are saying in the space is that that's the accusation.
[SPEAKER_03]: You said it's a little dispute, but I think the accusation from one side is that you're a false prophet.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you see, I'm saying, we are supposed to be on the same side, but you got one person saying, no, no, no, no, no, that person is a false prophet.
[SPEAKER_03]: So see, that's kind of what's happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's really concerning to me being that we all should have the same jersey on.
[SPEAKER_03]: And when it's sold, helping people, you know, I'm saying transform people's lives and lead them in this way where the people that's leading are now saying nah, I'm not rocking with how you lead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that makes sense?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it makes perfect sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even because I think about like this, the Bible says you'll know them by their fruit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I tell us a lot of people when I see Tiffany, I don't see a witch.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see anyone practicing witchcraft.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see someone that exposes witches.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see someone that contended against the witch that came on here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see any witch behavior in Tiffany.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now when I heard them call Tiffany a false prophet, the way I look at it is not her calling her like a witch or not a Christian or rather that she's not called into the office.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the way I interpret it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But if they're thinking that she's a witch, not a Christian, they don't have anything to show for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a very wady statement, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: To say someone is a witch or not a Christian.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a wady statement.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very wady.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's no evidence of any witch-capping time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: What about on the other end of false profit aspect of things?
[SPEAKER_01]: How can you prove that somebody?
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you definitively prove that somebody is a false profit?
[SPEAKER_00]: How can I say the deliberate habitual continuation of the manipulation of Scripture?
[SPEAKER_00]: One hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bible makes a very clear and Matthew chapter six or thirty three.
[SPEAKER_00]: Seeky first the kingdom of God and his righteousness.
[SPEAKER_00]: And all these things shall be added to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: False prophets don't teach that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They say, give to me, so to me, and all these things will happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, the scripture says, see God's kingdom.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bible tells us in James that the four verse three, you asked what you do not receive because you asked with the wrong motives to spend what you get on your pleasures.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if a false prophet is telling you, so seeds and you'll get all these pleasures, that's not biblical, because your motives are wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the Bible says, God's not hearing your prayers.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you begin to study the word of God to understand the ways of God and the mind of God,
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll be able to discern that this is a false prophet because it's contrary to the words of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: The red letters that God does say at the Lord, it's different.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's very easy to discern a false prophet from a true one because a false prophet does not repent.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does not change his doctrine.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not corrected.
[SPEAKER_00]: He will not change no matter the scandal.
[SPEAKER_00]: No matter what happens, he will keep going.
[SPEAKER_00]: He will never take sabbatical and will never sit down.
[SPEAKER_00]: He will never stop what he's doing because he was never with us in the beginning.
[SPEAKER_03]: You said you made a statement where you said they actually are not, you didn't pick it up as they actually think that one person is a false prophet.
[SPEAKER_03]: You think more so it's about call to office.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's interesting right there because what do you mean by call to office by the way?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they don't, there's certain people that might not believe for myself, even that amateur prophet or this person's like a true prophet that you say Christian that believes their prophet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they say that one more time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to make sure I get understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just a Christian that thinks they are in the office of a prophet, like they're functioning as a prophet, but they're not really a prophet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just a Christian.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that is what they're accusing Tiffany of on that side.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why when I heard I'm like, you know, but the whole witch thing is so, it's so crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I understand someone saying even to myself or other people, you're not a prophet cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: As long as you believe I'm a Christian, I'm a brother in Christ, I'm okay with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm a two big on the title stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's not disrespect to be like, hey, listen, I think you're a good Christian, but you ain't a prophet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think it's disrespect for you know why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because we have a lot of people that come from different walks of life when it comes to the faith, denominations, back to his Calvinists, they don't believe it gets for a today, they don't believe in prophets today, but they're saved, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So we can't get upset because someone was taught that the gifts have ceased for the today or the prophets have ceased for a today.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so can't get upset by that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and you know, recently we had touch calls on and she spoke about Pastor William Murphy being a big part of her life, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: My brother, did you catch his head?
[SPEAKER_01]: I caught him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty much, you know, him having been instrumental, you know, and some love of guidance and spiritual development, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I know you have some issue with the fraternal and a sorority organizations, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So my question for you is, is it some issues like, you're right, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But why is it a big deal that you suggest people not join these fraternities and organizations and also renounce or denounce their letters?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of people should run now because there's Christians that go in ignorantly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe there are people who are in fraternities that are real Christians.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were brothers and sisters and Christ.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you can also be in ignorant Christian and an uneducated Christian, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because when you go into these fraternities, you have to understand fraternities are all rooted in free-masonry, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Whether people believe it or not, the people that start at them are free-masons.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and a lot of the rituals that take place, they're rooted in Freemasonry.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's rooted in African spirituality.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's rooted in taking the Bible verse and taking this word out and putting manoeuvre in it or this deity and whatnot.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you cannot serve God and serve a deity.
[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot serve God and pledge and have these hosts.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bible says, let your S.B.S.
[SPEAKER_00]: and you'll know we know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, but I know a lot of people are joined them because of networking, because of connections, because of how this can help you advance in life career.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was offered it when I was in university and I was going to school in Tennessee.
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew a lot of people that are in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was friends with some of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't look at them as demons or horrible people.
[SPEAKER_00]: But once I begin to study it and understand it, I'm like, I can't be joined into this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when I used to go to the parties too, I used to go to the flat parties and everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I was in playing division one, I was in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's a pastor son.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was living a double life at that time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was I was in there so I could see what's really going on behind the scenes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when I say someone's in the fraternity and sorority, I'm like, yo, they ain't no way.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, so I get that because I pledge, uh, fret, um, in two thousand seven and I was a young man in college and it, you know, it's hazing on, you know, it is a lot of sin and going on, a lot of lust.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of shady stuff going on, especially when you think about
[SPEAKER_01]: Seventeen to twenty two-year-olds where alcohol and drugs is involved.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's just crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: But now I'm thirty-six and it's almost twenty years later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I did join the fraternity in two thousand seven, but I don't have no association.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a couple of who guys I consider friends that happen to have I also met them through the fraternity.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still consider my friends, but
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I even feel like even, just to just associate, it's not, it's not there, it's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, should you be, you know, upset with people because they join a fraternity for already twenty years ago?
[SPEAKER_01]: and now is not even something that they associate themselves with.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, because that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or is it the people who are like more so actively steal?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like in the culture.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm rocking my paraphernalia.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing the strolls.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actively involved.
[SPEAKER_00]: You will never know someone's in the fraternity unless they throw it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't see how someone can be upset at someone that doesn't throw it out because they don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, when I see Jamal Bryan throwing it up, pulling Murphy's throwing it up, that just shows people who are currently minded.
[SPEAKER_00]: People who are more worldly fleshly in the Bible tell us to come up from among them.
[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot be unequally young.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was just what, well, fellowship is light with darkness, well, fellowship is Christ with belly, belly, eyes of demon, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I believe everything rooted in fraternities and fortities is sin, idolatry, has nothing to do with God, has absolutely nothing to do with God.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even like your past association, like I've talked in a certain people that were used to be in fraternities and fortities, like the initiation rituals, the rituals books are demonic.
[SPEAKER_00]: the anti-Christ.
[SPEAKER_00]: So someone can be no longer associated, but I still believe they can be connected spiritually.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you pledge with your life, you pledge with, you said that prayer that seals you until this time, till the afterlife or whatever, demonic stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: But a lot of people don't remember, so they don't read nouns.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I believe a lot of people need to renounce anything Lord that I have made brought into my life, through this Greek mythology, through all these things, these spiritual prayers and hymns or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: I break off my life in Jesus' name.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because there was someone that actually did that and they went through deliverance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does that mean everyone has a demon?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I believe you cannot serve two masters.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I believe when you join these fraternities, you have to bow to something to get something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm, because that just, you know, not has me thinking, I'm thinking back to high school and thinking about the male influences that you have in high school.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nine times out of ten, it was in the fraternity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, especially when we grew up like, why grew up my whole, um, all the assistant principles, many of our school system, the cab, the cab county school system, but by the way, big shout out to cab county school system.
[SPEAKER_03]: They, um, a lot of the brothers who, like, went to college and crossed, they go back to the school system and they work in a school system.
[SPEAKER_03]: So a lot of year, just natural football coaches, your leaders, your mentors, that's that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, um, also, even while a lot of the guys that I knew and college that crossed, I, I was one of the only few guys in my friend group that did not cross.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, just because I'm, I'm knucklehead, I'm not listening to you guys, but just in general,
[SPEAKER_03]: those guys though, they cross because they have reverence for the fraternities for how they grew up because those were the guys in a school system actually pouring into them and being the father figures that they did not have.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jamal's Bryant Church, New Birth, was within about a, maybe about four or five miles of distance from where I grew up.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think probably his church is very fraternity friendly.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like that entire area, like, like, it's just a lot of just black fraternal, so rural activity going on in that decab county area.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's just kind of what, even the kids see, even at high school, I remember doing homecoming week.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a, they have the, they got the, the different,
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I was thinking about high school.
[SPEAKER_03]: They had a day where all the teachers were where their colors and school represent.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like you in high school, you kind of grew up like, oh man, like you was this and you was the lead level of blackness.
[SPEAKER_03]: It did represent like this, this almost, that's what it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: This kind of elite levels that you can kind of reach to as a kid.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, to write a passage, just what I believe is.
[SPEAKER_00]: A write a passage.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is exactly what Satan offered Jesus.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, I'll give you all the kingdoms of this world if you bow down before me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Jesus could not get that without going through Satan, Jesus denied.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's all it is, write a passage.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you're going into this door, it's sin compromise, idolatry, because the reason you do it, because the promise you can think
[SPEAKER_00]: the networking look at this guy and I've never seen a preacher that is a sorority or for in a fraternity that's like still you know showing it out what not that stands on business when it comes to sin and exposing wickedness never seen it right right you know what what think about this too because yeah the young man crossing
[SPEAKER_03]: because all my home, the young man crossing.
[SPEAKER_03]: The young man who's ambitious, they think about what his ambitions are.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's sex.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's, it's opportunity money.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's all of those things.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even one of the most historic days, the day you cross.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You think about all of the massive amount, like the women, they pretty much are like, they pretty much just doll themselves.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like massive sex, group sex.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is a part of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the bigger part is that you have a lot of these young men, they grown up in five of those homes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of them, not all of them have the opportunity to have been athletes and have that fraternal nature of being on the athletic level.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're looking for this camaraderie, they're looking for this community.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a better game.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a better game.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a better game of affiliation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get money together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's have fun together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do guy right and serve us together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's achieve together.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like the
[SPEAKER_01]: That is the draw, I think, but when you, it was should be the draw.
[SPEAKER_01]: Should but what happens is you got these young men, like I said, a group in these five of his homes and you got these other influences around these principalities around drugs, alcohol, all of this stuff, and it gets perverted, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because this, the leadership, the thing about the leaders are twenty-one, twenty-two-year-old men and things kind of get a little out of control
[SPEAKER_01]: And also just people growing up differently now, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to think about the initial members of a lot of these attorneys, they were the first black people on white teams.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were the first black people to graduate from specific schools.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were the first black people to integrate a lot of the campus organizations at the campus at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a lot of historically great things that have for people that have came and really laid the foundations for what it means to be a successful black person in today's society.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think initially it was there, but I understand what you're saying, this spiritual
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hurdle that you just cannot you can't look over it because it's like Yeah, you can have good works even free-masons have good works Satanists can have good works, but they're but their their fruit spiritually is demonic it's evil and it's like all the good stuff they do it just blinds you from what's really happening behind the scenes because you're ignorant
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and I believe even with the black kids that will join the fraternities because, you know, they're fatherless and they just want to be a part of a community.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that's a bait in the way, because the way Satan operates is that he will come to you with your appetite.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever your weakness is, he'll tempt you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever your appetite is, wherever you're desiring, he'll offer it to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, Eve desired the apple for wisdom.
[SPEAKER_00]: She hated, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: She just desired bread.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was hungry when he was fasting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Satan came with bread.
[SPEAKER_00]: So whatever these fraternities and sororities can pull you in with wherever they say we'll offer you this that you will do it especially if you're ignorant to the scriptures that at age I didn't know the Bible.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was one of the artists all these parties.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know the Bible.
[SPEAKER_00]: So can you be a Christian in the fraternity?
[SPEAKER_00]: Ignorantly, yeah, but I believe when you come to the knowledge of the truth, I believe that you need to renounce through prayer and
[SPEAKER_00]: cut ties at some point because what you're tied to is rooted in the occult, which is free-mason.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's rooted in the occult, whether you're actively operating or not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy man.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so many things like just customarily that you see in the church because I mean, I'm sure a lot of those churches that the pastors are representative of their fraternity.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have a lot of members that are also in these fraternities and sororities.
[SPEAKER_01]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just kind of crazy that that's like this thing that separates us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this this thing, but I get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Molly concerned, my biggest concern is like what's the alternative for these young men?
[SPEAKER_00]: Pray for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, tell them the truth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pray for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't hate on you loving them because I got a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got friends weren't or not believers and not in the same box as me, especially me coming from a professional background sports background or university playing ball up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not this guy that's like religious and just cast stones on people, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But I said, be pray for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: You let them know the truth and we love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We love them on their walk, but just keep it real with them.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think even more so, we have to go back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, the fraternity is an infrastructure for them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's something for them to be a part of, a way for them to commune, a way for them to gather.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you are not, if you just mad that it's a bunch of these men that are in fraternity sororities in the school system, then you need to get in the school system.
[SPEAKER_03]: like you need to find a way to touch the young men and the young women.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're just wagging all the fingers at the people who are doing it, but you at home, you just watching YouTube and living your own life, then you really can't offer them any other option.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't have many other options.
[SPEAKER_03]: So even now, I've been really
[SPEAKER_03]: motivated to like go back to my old high school and you know want to speak and be being engaged with those young men.
[SPEAKER_03]: I spoke.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've done it twice now within the past few weeks and I'm hungry for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I actually just just text my coach and I'm like, yo, when can I get back?
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's put some care they got some a character.
[SPEAKER_03]: We know those character A classes and leadership classes we launched in like how do I get involved with that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because we have to because if not, then you you either let the culture and the world that you are condemning
[SPEAKER_03]: get a hold of the youth or you build something for them.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's literally it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the only options we have.
[SPEAKER_01]: I grew that, I grew that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing is, you know, me, I don't really have a problem like you're in a fraternity, you're not a fraternity, I'm not pressed about it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm still looking at your character kind of, you know, your fruits and those types of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, but I understand both sides of, I just, you know, for the people who are like, hey, I don't think you should practice this, I think you should pronounce or pronounce this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you can have that opinion, but also not forcing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not forcing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, look, the person is not automatically this bad devil worship person because they're in it for eternity.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't want to.
[SPEAKER_03]: One, I think, too, we just have to be careful what we cause division in.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because we already have so many things dividing us.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's, you know, good to educate people on the origins of these.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you need to know the origins of where these came from a thousand percent, but we got to just be, we can't really be being divided on the microbes.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and here's what I mean when I say microbes.
[SPEAKER_03]: If somebody say, I don't believe Jesus the light, that's a big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: You on that side, I don't wanna say that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, like we don't, we don't two different things.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, if I don't want you in my life anymore, because like we both agree that, you know, the Jesus the Light, we both agree on these major things, but you were in a sorority a long time ago, you, you know, celebrate Christmas, you know, or you, it's like so many of these different things, you, I see you, I see you with them eggs on Easter.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't say like it's some we have so many reasons to now battle and hate one another and I think we really look forward to those now and I think we almost look at that as some kind of elitism in Christianity like I'm a better Christian than you right because I've checked all of these boxes for say and I even see that's almost
[SPEAKER_03]: the most attracted thing even as a creator on YouTube like now that's you see a lot of creators now using this bait like all of those different things to creating these conversations these very divisive conversations to you know grow their channels and their audience and viewership so I think some of it we just have to be very careful that we're not majoring in the miners you know in the things that we're addressing
[SPEAKER_03]: to really make sure we just focus on what's important.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because people got the costume on.
[SPEAKER_01]: People got the costume on.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy because like I was thinking about like comma kind of like you imagine like or like of these fantasy events like you showing up.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got your full hair potter year on and then they bust out into a conversation about you know the second book and you just like.
[SPEAKER_01]: They gonna look at you like, yo, are you really a fan?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you just wouldn't be there to defend it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but I got the outfit on.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I got my glasses on, I got this on.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you're not actually partaking in the meat of what's going on, which is in our case description.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like of all the things that you use to separate yourself, you use all of these customary things versus what actually is most important, which is you growing and developing your relationship with God through scripture.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think your situation is not as big as we can say, like say, his situation is micro, but like the other people that see and know the truth and they see and people, you know, stop practicing, not necessarily denounce, not necessarily just cut associations, but they stop practicing because of what they learned.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a bigger issue and someone's a pastor and they're still actively thrown up the signs.
[SPEAKER_00]: wearing the jersey in the church and they see all this exposure of what's what it's really rooted in Greek mythology and others demonic and like and you still jump and no, no, I'm gonna be on a William Murphy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why?
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I was playing a dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm really no, William Murphy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to talk to you about this brother.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's let's bring I was listening to this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll initiate is probably one of the safest spaces you go ahead and talk because I also am like
[SPEAKER_03]: What is the motivation?
[SPEAKER_03]: At this point in your life, spiritual leadership, you know, like what was the pool for them to, you know, because I see what I get in eighteen and nineteen euros.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you could kind of see how somebody eighteen nineteen will kind of keep it, you know, going the representation up through the years, but then to join
[SPEAKER_03]: later in life after you already, you know, a proven success in, you know, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you have to face, you
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to ask, man, when people talk about my mind goes blank, because I'm trying to be present.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I write it down sometimes.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I know you're very vocal on just these occult practices in general, because it's in different places.
[SPEAKER_03]: I even saw you recently spoke about the episode we had with Tashira.
[SPEAKER_03]: She talked about DMX's ex-wife.
[SPEAKER_03]: because she spoke about some of the things that was happening in Hollywood and things that she kind of got wrapped up in and how she believed X lost his soul in the process and Hollywood in general
[SPEAKER_03]: It's tricky because it's a lot of that kind of layered and sprinkled all throughout it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You made it, I think you made a pretty bold statement that it doesn't matter who anybody is.
[SPEAKER_03]: They can't be in Hollywood.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's her got period.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they just cannot, no matter where.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you stand on it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I stand on that when I, I think I specifically said like you can't be at the top in Hollywood with, with, and serve God in possible because it's right at passage.
[SPEAKER_00]: There has to be, so there's gate, P. Diddy's a gatekeeper, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And to get past P. Diddy, you got to do, there's compromise.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're hearing all the testimonies and whatnot.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it goes back to,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know it goes back to Jesus and Satan the beginning right of passage if you want to if you want to get this you're to get through me and what was the condition bow down before me you feel me so Hollywood is all right of passage I remember I had a celebrity reach out to me once I'm not gonna say her name she's a lesbian very well known
[SPEAKER_00]: She's talking to me about all the food and witchcraft that's happening in Hollywood and she was like reaching out to me for help and she thought I was just like a root worker that can help her and whatnot and I preached the gospel to her and she wasn't willing to let go of that homosexual relationship
[SPEAKER_00]: She ended up giving her life to Christ that prayed for and she started manifesting demons like crazy Wow, she has millions of love for the phone.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, this is this is my zoom And then her mom calls me after and is like hey can you help me and I'm like the only way is Jesus and then she didn't want to talk me after that They're willing to pay me a lot of money to help their daughter with that was in a psych war But I'm like the only ways Jesus I'm not gonna take your money and because the condition was Jesus then I was talking me again
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, they would have rather just paid you fifty, fifty racks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because they saw me on TikTok and they saw me doing deliverance and stuff like that and they contacted me not knowing that was a man of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know that means so they try to come a different way and she was telling me she used to do the whole terror card and all this stuff and she was afraid of she was afraid because she's having obviously paralysis and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there'd be folk in Hollywood that is successful, got money, but they're being tormented by demons.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why a lot of them get involved into like African spirituality for protection, stuff like that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Just Hollywood demonic in itself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's a place of compromise.
[SPEAKER_00]: Other genuine people and great people in there, yeah, but the system is rooted in idolatry sin.
[SPEAKER_00]: The love of money has nothing to do with God.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's so crazy because I remember, um, Manawala, go, I see, I used to, man, I'm not called a lot of you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I used to have a thing for those women that were like the universe girls, you know, like they were always like the sensualists, you know, I'm sorry, like they did just got that energy, they're like, um, very natural seductress.
[SPEAKER_03]: And one of them was like a full-out witch.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she would talk about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was very interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember her describing that.
[SPEAKER_03]: She said that you do need protection because I think it was one of the God's very popular.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was probably like, oh, go on.
[SPEAKER_03]: One of the very popular guys they talked to.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, go on.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was in particular.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's more so related to war and warfare.
[SPEAKER_03]: They, they like would talk to him when things are going down like to go after enemies or certain things.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the, the weird thing is she said, and this is kind of like strange thing about the space, your enemy can also be talking to a girl to come out to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what she also, what she stayed in this from her, she was like, um, these gods, little geez, they don't have loyalty.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like the same person you're praying to to go after one person they literally can be praying to that same person to come after you the double cross Yeah, and a lot of in that in that whole spiritualist which community they be for a lot too in there So there's a lot of beef's going where a lot of these witches cast and spails on other witches and for for whatever reason like envy jealousy all the basic things that pop up nothing you want to design
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're they're spail casting on each other like like straight like awesome Harry Potter's bail casting beef and and that's the thing about those Those guys like that they're there are more compasses are just set to whatever it is
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because the Bible calls the witchcraft, the work of the flesh.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even that does witchcraft.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all based upon material, it's materialistic gain, or to gain something someone else has, or to destroy something someone else has.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all based upon envy, jealousy, covetedness, and just wanting to think for yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why the Bible calls it the work of the flesh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it promises you things of the flesh, or to destroy someone else's resources.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why there's no loyalty in it, because people are jealous, people are envious, and you can use demons for that, but you can't use the Holy Spirit for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, random, this is just for Monument.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see that this recent happened like a few days ago?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a viral clip that was put out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the couple.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was from New Orleans.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say, but it was going live.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that they were arguing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you had the guy who accused his wife, somebody in her family who don't root work on him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then she talked about, she mentioned something about love spells.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, in the tragic
[SPEAKER_01]: murder suicide.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you do you do you want to face the one of Facebook did you kind of see the clips stuff from that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What was it like just what did you see?
[SPEAKER_01]: What did you discern spiritually?
[SPEAKER_01]: I might have been going on there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it is the two black people?
[SPEAKER_01]: The two black people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can see that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You remember that?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: And give me some, do you have an actual thorough backstory to it?
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, you might have a deeper backstory.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just saw a few clips on the internet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: A gentleman, he went live, a black guy, he went live, and he started to expose his wife accused his wife of cheating.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's live, she's in the kitchen behind them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was like cooking lasagna or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's behind them.
[SPEAKER_01]: They arguing back and forth.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's saying, hey, I did not cheat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I only called the guy that you accusing me of cheating on to tell him that you were cheating with his wife.
[SPEAKER_01]: and it was a back-of-forth argument.
[SPEAKER_01]: She gets on her live.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's trying to tell her story.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's on his live.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's telling the history.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in between him telling the stories, he's basically accusing somebody to her family of being after him and doing some root work on him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you see the comments and things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: People saying like, hey, I know this person, you know, she does love spells, this type of thing like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was a bunch of accusations flowing around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now he then, this is all along live, which is nuts, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's all on live.
[SPEAKER_01]: He then grabs a knife and he's like, listen, you keep talking all that nonsense.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not gonna walk out of here alive, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, hey, y'all heard that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like he finished that me.
[SPEAKER_01]: All that's all this is on live.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then he later, she later gets on her live again.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she mentions, um, he, he threatens to actually kill her.
[SPEAKER_01]: He actually threatens to kill her if she keeps going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then she mentions, she says the name Ode, which is sound, it seemed like it was like a male.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was discussing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And those accusations of sleeping with this male named Ode.
[SPEAKER_01]: And um, literally,
[SPEAKER_01]: After that you see like the phone kind of gets thrown around something has happened and yeah, he ends up shooting her killing her a lot of no Would now I don't know if the killing part was online.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but that right shortly after that incident She kills he kills the the woman and then he's found later when the police are looking for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had killed herself as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh Yeah, tragic
[SPEAKER_01]: But the reason I even brought that up because a lot of the conversation, you know, and of course they later hours later you got these reaction videos about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of the conversation was about what happens when witchcraft enters a relationship.
[SPEAKER_01]: and just even the acknowledged men from both of them that some even accusing each other and family members of bringing witchcraft into their relationship might have had a tremendous impact on the actual in consequence which was both of them losing their life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because a lot of people think love spells is actually a thing that will cause someone to just it just it being benefit in your life and cause someone to
[SPEAKER_00]: Love you and whatnot.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not the case can someone be bewitched through a love spell and you're with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but those spirits come to collect they come to Bible says the enemy comes to steal kill and destroy So when you're seeing things like that happen in that marriage It was only a matter of time messing with the devil only a matter of time
[SPEAKER_00]: Because when you mess with the delby, also messes with your mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: You also are having those voices and you know, it's called intrusive thoughts.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of them are demons, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you have a history of living in sin, and you want that wants to curse you, it will work.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bible says in Proverbs chapter twenty six verse two, a curse that is causeless.
[SPEAKER_00]: When that land on its intended victim.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you're living a life of adultery, fornication, whatever it is, without repentance,
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyone that wants to do anything to you spiritually, it will work.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why the Bible says in the New Testament, if you reach out to Fortress twenty-seven, give no place to the devil, which reveals what you can give place.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the issue with dumb is that they gave place to the devil, thinking that if they bring the love spells and the witchcraft and all that stuff in their marriage, it will benefit them, but rather end it in destruction.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just shows you how the devil is not in your side.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just shows you that you can do nothing with the devil to benefit you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, question for you, because just like we had the witch I'll tell you about, that was so honest.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we had people joke, if I think about mom and it's just people I thought they would joke like, you better be careful with that witch probably put some spells on you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would laugh because like I'm like,
[SPEAKER_01]: whatever she got going on over there and nothing to do with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my thought behind it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then I would have people tell me like, hey, you know, those things are real.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, people can do these things and whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not faced by that, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm curious because I think those same people would say if I was superstitious, that would be wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like what's the difference between like being superstitious?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, hey, let's not split this poll.
[SPEAKER_01]: not being superstitious and also, um, or believing in, um, that somebody can curse you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it, because in that the same thing, if I believe somebody could curse me, it not just like me being superstitious.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not in a way, it's just a spiritual reality.
[SPEAKER_00]: Someone can't just curse you.
[SPEAKER_00]: There has to be a cause.
[SPEAKER_00]: No one has the power to do anything to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why even Satan had to go as Joe for permission to, Satan had to ask, go ask God for permission to touch Joe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Satan doesn't have that power, he's not that dominion.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was never given the dominion in earth to do things to man.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why he had to tempt Adam and Eve because he couldn't use power in the earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was not given that jurisdiction.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in order for Satan to actually work against your life, he will begin to tempt you, to lead you away from the fear of God, lead you away from abiding of the shadow of the mighty, then he can mess with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why he's called the accuser of the brethren.
[SPEAKER_00]: He brings accusation in your life so he can begin to afflict you.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's all about.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never fear which.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never fear well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like people will mention me and be like, oh, stop talking about this guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: He got power.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a little wizard.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm standing till today and I've been doing this for years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ain't nobody been able to touch me.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I stand on God.
[SPEAKER_00]: I stand in the fear God.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not living in a willful, habitual, unrepentant sin.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a difference between falling short.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then continuing on a lifestyle and you're just like, I don't get any difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: The grace of God is to love upon us.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you just think that devil has so much power, you'll give in that power over your life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you'll live in fear.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the Bible says, I did not give you a speed of fear, but a power of an assignment.
[SPEAKER_00]: And say in front of the truly operating your life or a witch, they'll bring you into the realm of fear.
[SPEAKER_00]: They'll take away your understanding of Christ, your authority and Christ.
[SPEAKER_00]: right so you accept that spirit and you become fearful of it, then you open it up yourself, to parent all my activity, because you know that I got faith in God, but you're rather your fearful of demons, but you shouldn't fear at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know this, this is what I want to, I'm just curious about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to just throw a tough question at you because I know we typically are, you talked about how Satan can, you know, tempt us in this way.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I want to get a difference between what is good and bad temptation, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because for example, right after Christ was baptized, the Spirit led them to the wilderness to be tempted.
[SPEAKER_03]: So in that case, that was, I assume it was a healthy temptation, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like his spirit was being tempted.
[SPEAKER_03]: almost like he kind of went through this process of being tried and true if you will.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that temptation was good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even Dr. Serita, she came on here and she said one of the things that a lot of the single women say is they say, man, they cry out to God, God, if I'm a single and I'm not called to have sex, take this desire away from me.
[SPEAKER_03]: But she said, no, how can you lay down and prove to God that you love him if you don't put your desires to the side every single day?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So there is an aspect of you conquering this temptation.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is healthy and obviously that I think God wants to see from us.
[SPEAKER_03]: He wants us to conquer temptation.
[SPEAKER_03]: So is the temptation from Satan always like this bad thing or is it something that God almost wants for us to prove our love to him to beat that temptation?
[SPEAKER_03]: Isn't that a mandatory part of us in this experience to be tempted into conquer it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, one hundred percent, but I think there's a difference between being tempted by your own desires versus Satan actually tempting you, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the Bible calls Satan the tempting, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: If you live a life of, if you're today, you have a temptation to go eat food.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not a bad temptation that just comes from your own desire.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you're a gluttony issue, you love food, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just a normal temptation.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a temptation now that comes from the devil to draw you away from the will of God, to draw you away from the Lord.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what the Lord wants for us to do in that moment, it's too resist.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bible says, submit to God, resist the devil, and he will flee.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing about the devil, he doesn't just flee the first time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: He came back to Jesus three times, attempt attempt attempt.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I believe that temptation in itself, when it comes to the answer to the devil, is demonic, full-stop, fully demonic.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what happened in the wilderness, it was demonic temptation, but Jesus needed to undergo it to truly crucify his flesh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the things that Satan tempted Jesus with was of the flesh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So Jesus had to bring his whole body to surrender so that when he does ministry, he will never fall to the flesh.
[SPEAKER_00]: He even prayed a prayer where the flesh almost arose and he said, Father, if there's any other way for this cup to pass from me, that was the will of his flesh because he was afraid of the pain of the cross and he said, not my will, your will be done.
[SPEAKER_00]: But because he conquered the flesh and the wilderness, he was never subject to it in the most crucial times.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I believe when it was a wilderness, it was him conquering the flesh and Satan's objective in the wilderness, whereas for him to be a victim of the flesh, less of the eyes, the pride of life, and the less of the flesh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those three realms he tempted him by the flesh, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So Jesus conquered that so he could truly walk in the ministry walked in.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that mandatory for all of us though, will we all have that same demonic temptation in order for us to be able to prove that we can crucify our flesh as well?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because the devil's tempting everyone and we have to prove our loyalty to God.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bible says each one should learn to control their own bodies in a way that is holy and honorable and not like the pagans that don't know God.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's in first desolonians.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we do have to prove our loyalty to God that we truly love Him and live for Him and we can't do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bible calls us to be a living sacrifice and Romans chapter twelve this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: holy and pleasing on the God.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a conduct that's holy, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a conduct that is pleasing and we prove that through what resisting.
[SPEAKER_00]: We will never be, we'll never, we'll never stop being tempted, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But our job is to resist temptation by having the full armor of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bible says put on the full armor of God so you can stand against the strategies of the devil because it's never about the power of Satan, it's the strategies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because his strategies is the pull you out of the hedge.
[SPEAKER_00]: And his pull you out of the protection of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why it says, be strong in the Lord.
[SPEAKER_00]: The power of his mind put on the form of God so you can stand.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're ignorant to the form of God, you will not be able to stand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the devil operates through strategies, not necessarily power.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's strategies then power.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, this is, and that's a, I'm actually really happy you answer that question regarding temptation in that way because I had a really good conversation with my buddy about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just, um, he was just asking me, you know, about the purpose of life, like kind of why will God do this, like, like asking hard questions, you know, like why will God put us in a situation where we have all these temptations and all of these different things here.
[SPEAKER_03]: And just kind of even playing with that same mindset in that thought process.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think God was thinking that he wants to put us in this flesh suit to put us here to ultimately test us?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like is this like a major training ground of our character and of our spirit and of our loyalty to God?
[SPEAKER_03]: This experience here that we have here on Earth is
[SPEAKER_03]: could that be, if you're just even, and I know this is a hard question here, but just from your best level of understanding, do you think that could be one of God's motivations of putting us here?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what I believe is everything, actually, what is true is that everything that is here and now is a result of the fall of man.
[SPEAKER_00]: The level of the temptation or evil desires and everything like that has come from the fall of man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, in the beginning of time, we see Eve, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: There was no sin.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was no evil desires.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was nothing that was crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: God didn't put Eve there to be tempted by the devil.
[SPEAKER_00]: God didn't put Eve there to create Adam to fight the flesh and whatnot.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all result of the fall of man.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what God did is that God created free will and he wanted Adam and Eve to serve him by their will.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he put the garden there and God was like, you know, don't eat that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So then proving unto God that they truly love him and honor him was by being obedient.
[SPEAKER_00]: But was by resisting what was appealing because I don't believe God wants people.
[SPEAKER_00]: God did not create us to just force himself upon us, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: He created us to choose him.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bible says, and do the wrongly thirty verse nineteen up before your life and death blessings and curses choose life.
[SPEAKER_00]: so that you and your children may live.
[SPEAKER_00]: So God will always tell you there's two paths, but you'll tell you to choose the right thing, but it's up to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because true love, it's not control.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what witchcraft witchcraft love spells is not true love.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's be witch men.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's control.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when it comes to God, it's all about free will.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wants you to choose them, but witches and warlocks they don't want you to choose.
[SPEAKER_00]: They want you to be controlled.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, man, interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me ask you this, too, because, you know, you've seen a lot of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's this level of performance culture that's coming along with the Christian church, you know, in the way that the instruction is provided.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the visuals are
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[SPEAKER_01]: get into the music even more with the light production away kind of.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little dim when you walk in.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it gets me in the mood, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: The speakers are speaking in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: They got some rounds out of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just love and love that I like, but you know, it does seem to begin amped up.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're going from having the podium and the Bible and a highlighter to having the tech white chalkboard, you know what I mean to now.
[SPEAKER_01]: having, you know, basketball, you know, at transformation church, you got, I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: I saw as a white church that had a bad name, he was hoping to work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen a, I've recently seen Marcus Rogers, so he had brought the water gun as out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm literally seeing that he posted it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm stuck.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he was not a terrorist, so he gave it to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, so it's, it's levels to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's on all levels.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just happening to brain this element.
[SPEAKER_01]: of like a deeper learning.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a visual learning aspect, but is there a such thing that taking it too far?
[SPEAKER_01]: And is it some, could it potentially have some negative ramifications to what's happened right now?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely there are negative ramifications and it's taking, it's been taken too far because now the focal point is more so on the theatrics and the gimmicks and the presentation and not the word.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, can people still be edified by the presentation?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but I feel like a lot of people are getting distracted and now people are coming up with different ways to entertain the church through whatever the gimmicks and the theatrics rather than
[SPEAKER_00]: causing the fear of God to be in the church to make disciples, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that what's happening right now is entertainment is taking it is replacing reverence.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I believe.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it's what people when it comes to making disciples it's just filling up church views, but not rather making disciples.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, because making disciples is all about self-denial.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right now, it's more so about constitutes church.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's great, they're a great community, and give your ties and offering, and that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the things we're seeing right now in America, it's going way too far, especially the way people dress.
[SPEAKER_00]: It matters why, because it's a distraction.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to get another viral clip, and another viral clip.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you notice that you're causing people to stumble, and people are no longer focusing on the measures, because of how you're dressing, I believe you're in sync.
[SPEAKER_03]: First of all, let me tell you something, no, I agree with that, because let me tell you, I'm not going to say his church, but I went to somebody church and I'm talking about, I've seen women in an eye count and probably about six BBAs.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, and then not even just that, tight pants.
[SPEAKER_03]: For you to have on tight pants, with your shirt, you're not even trying to have your shirt flow under that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like you you stopping it at the top of your belt buckle the BBL's going crazy, but but I'm confused what you think something about the sermon attracted when would be be it?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, I'm not saying all I'm saying is just the culture it's just a culture of dress because if we ain't here trying to battle saying yeah, all right, like that's what we here doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't have them be here.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're coming in here looking all thick.
[SPEAKER_03]: You already know we in Atlanta
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: We in Atlanta, you know what's going down here.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: What?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, everybody repenting from.
[SPEAKER_01]: But is that the thing here right now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the church's responsibility to?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the church was a man to strip them on a church.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the culture.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whatever the culture is is the church.
[SPEAKER_03]: And see, I'm not mad at the come as you are.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I think you, you know, you don't necessarily have to have on a three-piece who to go to church.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think
[SPEAKER_03]: Some cultures can allow a level of sexual tension to be very comfortable.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you can create a space for that to just be comfortable in a way where another church, just in the culture of it,
[SPEAKER_03]: you will feel uncomfortable here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's certain places, you know, if even if you're lady, especially women, women know when they go in places, what was the dress code?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to be overdressed.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want this, I don't want that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if a woman is very comfortable looking a certain way, every year's Sunday, that's a culture thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: If she's in there, she's like, oh, that much, I shouldn't have did this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, she kind of feel it like, oh, look.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, that's called I think that's culture that creates that, you know, it went out necessarily, you know, her gen G check on stage by the pastor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's just weird to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's very honest.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to be honest.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like that either.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's uncomfortable to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Think women at church, pretty much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, it's not, it's not the thickness.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like, be a tire.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the tire.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know your body tight.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the tire.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so this thing because I get, I get with both of y'all saying, but I'm curious because, you know, the end of the day, the leaders, the pastors, especially, you know, in the church, they are content creators, like literally they're responsible for the months, year, week curriculum for what's going on and how to best deliver the message to not only
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, provide transformation hopefully, but also grow the volume.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a number of ways you can do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got the performative culture.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the mega churches.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got other pastors who may not be as performative with the visuals, but they make it very polarizing statements to go on an attention.
[SPEAKER_01]: You also got the more celebrity type pastors like Pastor Jamal Rye for example.
[SPEAKER_01]: He called him Cam New Legs Pretty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Passed him all, Brian is a genius at Garner and attention.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he knows what he's doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's growing these churches and it's people, a part of all of these various congregations that they're like, hey, we are getting transformation and these churches are growing that continue to grow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, is there a thin line?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, should you not be trying to grow?
[SPEAKER_01]: Should you not be trying to find your niche?
[SPEAKER_01]: For example, to be able to present, they'll content in a way that's going to bring more people to your church for you to have the opportunity to get their transformation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe you need to do all those gimmicks and theatrics to bring people to your church as the Holy Spirit is there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's an annoying thing upon your life and you're a pretty good vocabulary.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe if it's God's will, that church will grow.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't believe it's God's will for the churches that have grown based upon theatrics and gimmicks, based upon controversial statements.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe the spirit of God is hovering over, is upon Jamal Branch Church.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe that any way you should perform.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's extremely controversial for all the wrong reasons, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't believe that the spirit of God is there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe a lot of people can claim they've been transformed about what feels good, what makes them feel good, but is there spirit being transformed that they grow spiritually?
[SPEAKER_00]: rather than becoming spiritually stronger, because it's not necessarily our bodies and what we may feel, but it's our spirit being fed with meat, because the Bible talks about, there's milk in scripture, and there's the meat of scripture.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I believe a lot of churches, because they're so performative, because it's so much gimmicks and theatrics, they're given milk over and over again, milk, milk, milk, but not meat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not to become a strong believer, because the Bible talks about a strong believer, right in Korea, it'd be strong in the Lord.
[SPEAKER_00]: How to become strong in the Lord?
[SPEAKER_00]: praying, teaching more prayer, teaching more fasting, teaching about holiness, teaching about denying self, teaching about seeking first the kingdom and his righteousness and putting everything else a secondary.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if that's not being taught in the church, if that's not the core message, then what's happening is that our flesh is being transformed, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But not our spirit.
[SPEAKER_03]: let's talk about that because how do we how do we measure that because you said your spirit is not becoming strong if you're there your flesh is what does it look like for your flesh like more practically how do I know if my flesh is being my spirit is becoming stronger is it that I'm fighting lust more like like what what are like the metrics to this for me to actually be able to see what that looks like in my life
[SPEAKER_00]: When you see yourself now engaging into more spiritual things at ease, without falling asleep, without feeling like a burden, without feeling like a task, that's when you know you are spiritually strong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because when Jesus was praying in the garden of Gethsemani, he became weak.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the Bible says that after Jesus said, Father, not my will, your will be done.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bible says that an angel
[SPEAKER_00]: came and strengthened him, and now he had the ability to pray more earnestly, and he began to sweat blood.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Jesus became stronger after the impartation from the angel.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you are spiritually strong, you will be able to pray more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Prayer will become your lifestyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now when you're spiritually weak, you're not going to be doing spiritual things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Going to church is not a spiritual thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's culture.
[SPEAKER_00]: It can become a tradition.
[SPEAKER_00]: People go to church on Sunday, and do nothing Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday Friday, because of Carnal.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the Bible tells us that the Spirit is at war, the flesh, and the flesh is at war, the Spirit.
[SPEAKER_00]: When your flesh is surrendered to the Spirit, when your flesh uses the Spirit, you'll do more spiritual things.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the Bible says.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Luke chapter eighteen verse one that men should always pray and faint not.
[SPEAKER_00]: The reason people don't like the pray is because prayer is a spiritual practice.
[SPEAKER_00]: It takes your body, it uses energy, it takes your body to submit to the will of God to continue to pray.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why a lot of people don't have prayer lives, why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they're spiritually weak.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bible says those that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they shall mount up with wings like Ego, so no one is waiting on the Lord, which means prayer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why they're not strong.
[SPEAKER_00]: God wants to renew you, who wants to give you strength so you can continue in the spiritual things, not only resist lusts, because you can be spiritually weak and still resist lusts.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can still be spiritually weak and resist lusts.
[SPEAKER_00]: What makes you spiritually strong is when you begin to go into the secret place and get those downloads and when the presence of God comes upon you, that's how you become strong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the word renewing your mind with the word of God so you can change because if your mind doesn't change the renewal of the word of God you will never be able to do anything because it all sorts in the mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: So stop having sex is you actually which is ain't renewing your the flesh.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the flesh.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just the flesh resistant.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't it isn't empower your spirit.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the flesh resistant.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so prayer is a good example of how you can measure whether or not your actual spirit is strengthening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if your prayer life is growing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because of your communion with the spirit, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Your communion with the spirit of Paul's Paul, even said in the first Corinthians, he said, when I pray in the tongue, my spirit prays.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a revelation that your spirit does receive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your spirit does pray.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You just got to strengthen to continue to pray.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a spiritual thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a physical thing because his body was sorrowful.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you just received the strength in his spirit to continue to pray even though he was sorrowful and weak.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_01]: One way you know your super super spirituals when no matter what's happening in your life you remain with God daily You know, it's tricky for me too because you know a lot of the people that I've seen you talk about we've actually had on the the program and I've personally spoke to people even a couple of them like I've been a new birth church like new I'll from like don't you so a new birth church is it I mean it's like a like a staple in a lot on you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a community huge impact on community.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean it's people that literally
[SPEAKER_01]: don't be on the streets because they get to play basketball at new birth you know what I'm saying
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've been there and received a revelation and instruction.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just a few different places, like I said, a few different people that we've had on the platform.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of tricky for me when you say something like, hey, God isn't there, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think even when we have these variety of Christian leadership on the platform, you get these different comments that come along with, it's like people who really truly despise some of the people that we have had on the platform.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you got another in this people that absolutely adore and cherish and love these people and say, hey, these people change my life.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you know, it's me trying to kind of
[SPEAKER_00]: discern what does it really mean when somebody says like his no is no God and how do you know that because my my think I believe it's based upon when you look at the food is someone's ministry not by testimony okay but just like the things that they focus on right but tomorrow Brian's more so focused on like matters in the world a lot like the black matter and stuff like that he's really really
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't give meat to Scripture.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not really big on sin.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not really big on the things that matters to people's soul.
[SPEAKER_00]: He can encourage you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, you can benefit from something that a preacher preached, because it's coming from the Bible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything from the Bible can benefit you.
[SPEAKER_00]: A false prophet can identify you if he opens up the Bible.
[SPEAKER_00]: He can manipulate you too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not the fact that whether Jamal Bryan can identify you or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the fact that is he is his church rooted in, you know, sound doctrine and making disciples, you know, in a biblical way, leading the flock in the biblical way, right, leading people to continue the charge that Jesus, you know, laid before us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or is it just this milky church that's just all about me and my future, my benefits, my emotions, my marriage,
[SPEAKER_00]: Black Lives Matter and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's a true church.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I get what you saying, but this is my concern now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you got up here because a church can only do so much, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, let's say you have passed the Philip Anthony Mitchell and people will talk about his ministry because he's got the ministry that speaks so strongly against sin.
[SPEAKER_01]: And let's say you got, you know, Dr. Brian, who he says, hey, he's into the political space, he's into these different spaces.
[SPEAKER_01]: But historically, you have to black church, like, without the black church, how does silver rights even transpire, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So you had the specific churches or groups that say, hey, we're taking the mantle and the responsibility for this black issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you got other churches who say, we're responsible for this issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, can you as one body, one church, can you really cross the spectrum of all these different things that we experienced or is it okay to say, hey, you know, this is kind of our lane and what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're in the area or I guess part of your life or this is most important to you right now, come rock with us this, where we're going.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it something wrong with that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the Bible says we have one doctrine, but we have many gifts, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: As a pastor, you're supposed to be teaching the full council of God, not just on this political, that's how a biblical church.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how you can't even find the Bible.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's on the book of Acts.
[SPEAKER_00]: The book of Acts is like the full council of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyone that says, I'm focusing more on here, that can be great.
[SPEAKER_00]: God can use someone in that space, we can't call church.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's not following the full council of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no church recorded in history.
[SPEAKER_00]: that was just dedicated to political issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're so dedicated on worldly matters, that just proves my point and the spirit of God's out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the Bible says that all things will pass away, vanity, and vanity, politics will pass away.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're more focused on the things that will one day pass away and not more concerned about the souls of the people in your church, them living in the fear of God so they can hear the kingdom of God, it's a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I'm not saying that what he's not doing in the political states is not beneficial.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It has good in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I cannot see God in there when it comes to, when I look at the Bible and I look like how a pastor is supposed to operating.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you can be edified.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can be blessed by what Joel Olstein says.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that guy is not having a biblical Rudy church when it comes to the full council of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he's preaching up.
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't preach on the most important things for a believer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because more so blessed me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bless all things that will pass away.
[SPEAKER_00]: All things that will disappear one day and the only thing that will stay the bottle says is the word of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: Period.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so do you think because it's a lot of church to big organization?
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of different many organizations that happen in that church.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that the church stands on what the pastor prejudiced about most?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because like you said, Joel Osteen, I don't know, I've been to actually Joel Osteen church as well and I went to Houston.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what's going on outside of what I experienced and being in the the the sermon right
[SPEAKER_01]: But who knows, he could have this crazy, successful, discipleship oriented Bible study going on where he built in a thousand disciples behind the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: So is it about what the church does as a whole or is it just about what's most publicized a church is on?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's both, but I think more, more publicly, because the Bible says not many of you should be teachers because there will be more of a strict judgment.
[SPEAKER_00]: right because the amount of the people that God has entrusted unto you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're doing all these mega great Bible studies behind the scenes, but not public with the millions of people you have.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a problem there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It must be because you're making a lot of money for the message that you're preaching, the secret friendly message.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I believe Joel needs message, the secret friendly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does that mean that what he's saying is necessarily bad?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but it's milky and it's not truly going to help anyone to be strong in the Lord.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's going to really help anyone to truly overcome addiction and break it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe it's going to help someone to truly just walk in the fear of God, but it can help people to understand about the promises of God, the blessings of God, you know, heaven and you know, God doesn't want you this, not, yeah, cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a biblical truth.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're not giving everyone the full truth, you're giving them nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: because you're dying spiritually.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can even benefit someone psychologically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fleshly, but are you benefiting their spirit?
[SPEAKER_00]: Am I saying Jamal Brandt's a false prophet?
[SPEAKER_00]: Am I saying the guys are witches and warlords?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when I look at the structure, the foundation of their ministry, I don't see it being rooted in like the axe church.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does that mean they had the castle demons and stuff like that?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but I'm saying I don't see balance in their doctrine when it comes to the fullness of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I believe a lot of it is, I believe when you're in a fraternity and active with it, it's hard to really be bold really in a way that's really biblical.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to be reserved a little bit, especially when you're out here at the owner's signs and when they're sure and whatnot.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to say certain things because the return to his end is rooted in darkness.
[SPEAKER_00]: His friends that he calls Brotherhood are going to hell.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pastor Philip Anthony, but was a Murphy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to talk on sin.
[SPEAKER_00]: He forced him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bring in those, I think it was two ladies married to each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he, uh, what do you do?
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, these two were my forget it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did a reaction on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was these like, to like, these two married woman that any, I think they're married to each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're married to each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he blessed them, blessed a child.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he, after he went on a podcast with both of them, she's like, this is my pastie.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you see, the reason why that, that lady is,
[SPEAKER_00]: Comfortable is because of the culture that's built up in that church like he was talking about You got to look down on that time.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's crazy curious about that joint there.
[SPEAKER_01]: He baptized the baby of the
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's be in couple.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a ledge because I don't, we got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you got to give us a four detail.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, so here's the thing, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's trying to say the baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I'm not against, I'm not against blessing the baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm telling you, like he said, you want to be able to be comfortable coming to me because, you know, I'm bold with like true.
[SPEAKER_00]: See, because you can be trying to deliver them first.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, hey, get that baby in the back real quick.
[SPEAKER_01]: We need to take care of y'all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely pray for the baby in that moment, but I'd also still preach to truth unto them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't get on a podcast with them because that's me affirming their lifestyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if I'm on that podcast preaching the truth, then I'm affirming it, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it actually did happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I reacted to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's just so crazy because you said the secret is for seekers and it is a lot of secret ministries out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing is, but we hear so many, and I give you something about the testimony.
[SPEAKER_01]: We just hear so many testimonies and you hear people say, hey, look, I used to be at this church, loved it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm over here because with this person talking about
[SPEAKER_01]: and any and any and enough of me.
[SPEAKER_01]: He ain't crashing out enough of me on seeing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm over here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing is, they wouldn't have got to their second home and be able to grow in the Vellows, spiritually.
[SPEAKER_01]: If they did not have the first home, which was secret friendly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, if there's nothing for the seekers, because, and I remember, you see, it's funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: When I went to Joe Austin, I was definitely seeking out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, I was trying to figure out what was going on with the Quran.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, man, Joe, Austin say every Friday, every day like a Friday.
[SPEAKER_01]: God, God, all these blesses for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I needed to cheer me for God.
[SPEAKER_01]: I needed somebody to really be, unfortunately, that's the point of my life to be selling God to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, hey, you know what, and you know, God, God, these blessings over here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I was able to kind of hop around a little bit until I finally came over to, you know what, hey, y'all always doing a love on two motivations with inspirational.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me get something that gonna give me deeper into some scripture, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Some real understanding.
[SPEAKER_01]: But maybe I would not even got here if not for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So is there not a place for those ministries to have some success at least introducing people
[SPEAKER_01]: to God for them to be able to later move on to other areas.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, but I don't believe people have to move on if the church is rooted in the full Council of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I believe people move on because the church is not teaching the full Council of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe in this church as level one in this church as level ten.
[SPEAKER_00]: It should not be like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got that kind of garden.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because of conviction, because of lukewarm warmness, because of fraternities, because of the money's good, because you know we're on television.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some people are going to be more reserved.
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But because of that, it's like you're putting your connections and your resources and what you get out of it over the people in the church.
[SPEAKER_00]: over like the full console of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: So sure you can be blessed at Joel Olstein's Church.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't believe it's stage one, stage two, stage three.
[SPEAKER_00]: It should be where all on stage ten.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not the reality right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I believe that if we just strive to preach everything that's in the Bible in context, we wouldn't have to church hop all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this was a good for me in this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had to go to the next thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I believe you can benefit from a lot of different churches, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That are truly rooted in God.
[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't mean the next one is better than the next one.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's necessarily, but it means what can truly help me with my soul as a person to be more like Jesus, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: To be more like Jesus.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's not just about sin, but it's just become a more like Jesus, what truly matters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because all the stuff we have right now won't matter on judgment day.
[SPEAKER_00]: And another moment, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So the only thing that will be judged for is how we live that life.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it, period.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you know, I actually, it, it does make sense that like if you're a church,
[SPEAKER_03]: But like, if you're not a fighting sin, it's not like a core aspect of the message.
[SPEAKER_03]: It does make sense because like, I keep and see how to do it, who really trying to get money, just to have sex with women, or like, you have like these perverted ambitions.
[SPEAKER_03]: You really rock with that message.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you like, it's just about like, I'm trying to get this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm trying to grind.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to grind.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm about these blessings.
[SPEAKER_03]: We gotta get this guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want me to reach, you know, the best tool is shit from prosperity in my life, but you know, I still have sex.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because I like it Jim Rowe actually is funny because like the Jim Rowe's of the world I put like the Jim Rowe's in the Joel O's scenes.
[SPEAKER_03]: They kind of in the same category.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's for both.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know like this is what I'm trying to do when I'm trying to get blessings.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know like if I'm if I'm feeling
[SPEAKER_03]: If I'm feeling down and now if I'm feeling like I like if I'm worried about money or I won't want some six like like money monetary personal development I'm gonna throw one of those guys on a logical healing and motivation
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I never really, first of all, I don't like Joe's host.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like a convicted past anyway.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just too slow for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I never like to deliver y'all together.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I can see why that is, you know, just definitely couldn't, should not be considered necessarily church motivation.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's definitely a big difference in that.
[SPEAKER_03]: My, my question is this though.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because now my timeline is bringing up all of the Christian YouTube brains now, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's coming and giving a perspective on all of these individuals.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think
[SPEAKER_03]: to some degree, people just try to polarize, about even come for the legends.
[SPEAKER_03]: I even find like, yeah, y'all love this person.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, this person was a false person.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes I'm gonna be like, come on now, because one of the people that Loki evangelized me to Christianity was Dr. Miles Monroe.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, like his body of knowledge to me, because I wasn't ready for the Bible.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I started with the purpose of power with me, purpose of power prayer, purpose of power marriage, purpose of power women, purpose of power Holy Spirit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I kind of started there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm kind of lifting my weights on a little light books.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm reading books from pastors first.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will read the Bible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me just kind of see how they broke it down for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Watch these sermons and that's kind of my level of getting here now actually in the word.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I see a lot of people coming at him.
[SPEAKER_03]: as well, like he had a false theology of false doctrine as a pastor.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's kind of coined as a kingdom theology because his theology was more so around, honestly, by the way, it's the same.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jesus Christ, that's not different.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's more so like God sent us here for us to bring heaven here on earth to colonize the earth and to bring heaven here on earth not for us to be so focused on leaving and getting to heaven.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, more so not saying we don't want to get to heaven.
[SPEAKER_03]: What he was saying was, he said many churches can have an over addiction with not doing the work here on earth and just only solely focus on being in heaven in the afterlife.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not bringing heaven here on earth, which is the actual work.
[SPEAKER_01]: And let you have to put in people, it's pretty much accused of him of being like against religion.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and to be honest, a lot of his messages were like, Jesus Christ didn't bring religion here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, did that wasn't Jesus Christ message?
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is you're too religious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: And like that spirit of religion that's stronghold on you kind of these different things.
[SPEAKER_03]: But long story short, I don't know how much you know about him, but just in general, is there, is there validity?
[SPEAKER_03]: To that, to to to.
[SPEAKER_00]: To some of what he's saying, yes, because the Bible talks about, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it says when I, if I cast out demons with a spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what a Bible says.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I cast out demons by the spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the kingdom of God is supposed to be expressed in the earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when a lot of people get to religious, they're not expressing the kingdom of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not doing those good words for the poor.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not loving that neighbor as you love that self.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not praying for the sick.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not, you know, shepherding the flock, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the kingdom coming to the earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why Jesus died in the cross.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why Jesus came to the earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if we're not expressing that, then we're now in the religion.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just waiting for Jesus to come.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not helping the one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jesus didn't come here just to wait to die, but he came here and he did work.
[SPEAKER_00]: cast out demons he healed the sick he preached the gospel he helped the poor he redirected the the rich unto the poor right he rebuked people of their sin so I believe that people be so religious and not actually expressed the kingdom so I grew it from that
[SPEAKER_03]: So, but from what you understand of him, you're not pretty privy to any false doctrine that he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm aware of him, but I don't think the issue is necessarily people regarding false doctrine because we're going to disagree and there can be more minor errors, but I think there's the difference between minor errors and then just
[SPEAKER_00]: huge just salvation issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe you was preaching salvation issues like but like you were saying the culture of YouTube right now is like if anyone has any flower air in the doctor and their false prophet, that's not true, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can there be a theological commentary as you were like, okay, this is not a big little cool, because that's gonna have a free turner because there's so many denominations.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the issue is that people are just labeling people as false because they believe in deliverance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lating people as witches because they believe in tongues.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are secondary issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I believe because it's trendy and it's monetized and it can bring views.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's easy to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think our focal point should be just sound doctrine without using false profit or which unless like you got the receipts.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I come with receipts, I'll come with ten videos, I'll come with receipts and everything, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the culture of YouTube is kind of like dishonest.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's based upon like denomination rather than like you test in the spirit and actually having the proof to show that this person to actually a witch or world.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a lot of lots of spiritual gangbangs are going on right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
[SPEAKER_03]: My set, my belief, my theology.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just people that think, I'm not Christian, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I believe in deliverance, or I believe in speaking in tongues.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's people on internet that exposed me that I'm not Christian because of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all over the internet.
[SPEAKER_03]: A bad Negro.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good question right here, because what do you think about us?
[SPEAKER_03]: just in jail are hardly initiated because I know just a lot of people have their opinions just in general about you know podcast title this one delano is hardly initiated demonic just what was your general perspective on us because I know you've watched us and been aware of us for a while in in the space was your thoughts about all initially I think the number one thing I like about hardly initiatives like you as a not biased and it's an open and safe place for people to speak
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you can get a little dangerous when you're just very open.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you brought the wits here.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a little different.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think you guys have a great platform that's growing and a lot of people are being edified by not only who you bring on, but you guys are not biased, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And you guys are very respectful.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you guys also give your feedback.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like even if I say something, you may not agree with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got feedback.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it sounds super authentic.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys are very authentic and very raw.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I love you guys doing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, I'll come out here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Close the jit.
[SPEAKER_03]: First, hey, hey, interview.
[SPEAKER_00]: Back.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's, let's, let's all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me get you, get you one more guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Sasha and I you probably get ready to cut a sign of minute, but you, um, being that you've been known to call out, you know, some of the biggest names in the industry for, you know, doing things the wrong way.
[SPEAKER_01]: you had a bit of a change of heart with one of the guys that we've had on the show, EJ Newt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So tell me how did you go from calling out EJ Newt to now, you know, really been in the place where you got, you know, breaking bread together.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just remember last summer, I just got a message on Instagram.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, this got a stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the end, this where it draws a line.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, this guy's messing with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we started talking a little bit and he gave me his number.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he was like, please, I need prayer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need prayer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Help me, please, help me, please.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was talking to my wife.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I'm not about to do this guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: This guy's connected to all the wrong people trying to set me up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not trying to get that warfare heck.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: God could be using you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like,
[SPEAKER_00]: do it, do it, do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, nah, I just look, I better than to go do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I ended up doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he just started talking to me about a lot of things, ended up praying for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we just got super close from there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we just started confronting, you know, evil or air together, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And we've been tied ever since.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just think about it today, how it just so creates it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he told me he used to be in church and talk about me and call me a small boy and laugh at me and whatnot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: To see now that we're actually brothers and we're tight it just really exposes my heart posture that I'm not out here to get people but rather I'm out here to help people and then reconnect with them because he's a perfect example of someone I used to go after that did not like me and now I'll say he's one of my closest friends
[SPEAKER_00]: How did you know that he was coming from an authentic place?
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: My wife just told me to take the chance.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not always going to know, but I was like, what if he was authentic and true?
[SPEAKER_00]: I really needed help and I just ignored him because of my own reservations, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, Lord, if this is you,
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what you want me to do, I'll do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was shook on the phone, I was talking on the phone, I was shaking a little bit, because I was like, I don't know what the guy's trying to do, but not in charge of your witchcrafts and me or something, that was my thought process.
[SPEAKER_00]: But once that fear left for me, then I was able to pray for him and I was just beautiful from there and he was like, then we had a podcast that didn't use, he was crying and it was beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you guys somebody like E.J.
[SPEAKER_01]: Newton who has really dedicated a lot of his time to expose in the ministry that he came from.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you speak to him, what is your personal counsel?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there a point where you like, hey, maybe you should just chill and just walk away from this all together?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or do you say, hey, keep going at it until you bring it down?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's you ask me that because the other day I talked to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, you know, I had a dream and a Bible verse came to me into a phoenix at the four of his twenty sixty twenty seven and it says,
[SPEAKER_00]: be angry and do not sin, do not allow, be angry but do not sin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do not allow the sun to go down in your anger.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll just speak in Tim about like, in his emotions, don't allow this to get you off track.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't allow this because the enemy can use this situation even though he's bald and speaking truth, the enemy can turn it against him and affect him psychologically mentally and maybe provoke him even into sin or depression and whatnot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he's going to sleep with, you know, because it would happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's justified for him to be angry and being bold.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's justified.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the enemy can use that against him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what that was, that's what I was giving unto him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, guard yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because no matter what you're going through, the enemy will come against you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I had to guard myself even with my lawsuit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the enemy said it coming against me in different ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I really rooted myself in Christ, you know, the Lord started bringing provision and on my piece now, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: But if I were to allow my emotions to take over the devil had placed in my life, and I'd probably be abusing my wife, yelling up my wife, you know, just bashing this guy, having said a word about him really publicly at all, every sense of lawsuit, because I never want to make it personal, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I never want to make it fleshly, but I still speak truth without allowing my carnality to get in the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there you have it folks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Big shout out to property.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know it took some some real humility to reach out to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's always respected, you know, when you can showcase that, you know, even at the levels, you know, that, you know, you're at.
[SPEAKER_03]: And especially how people perceived him, that that took some real strength to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So big shout out to him and big shout out to you as well man and you know everybody It's a it's a push right now, man, because it's a real war going on right now and what we want to do is we want to support our brother in the midst of this here So again, he's in the midst of raising money right now in the middle of this lawsuit So we have that link in the description here and
[SPEAKER_03]: He's also got a powerful YouTube presence in channel.
[SPEAKER_03]: If y'all are not familiar, y'all can go ahead and follow that.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll also link that in the description as well so you can go ahead and follow this brother moving forward and listen man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to just thank you as well for coming all the way out here to ATL and having this show here with us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Atlanta is definitely going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Walked in the airport down as an African.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why are you bringing it?
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