[SPEAKER_03]: Hey everybody, Jason here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am trying something new.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because over the years, I've podcasted about a ton of shows, dozens of shows.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're always on, usually on their own, separate podcast, each podcast dedicated to one series.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe like the one you're listening to right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I've noticed that it can be hard to sustain and build an audience that way with all these different podcasts that are unbreak most of the year, especially these days with how long it is between shows.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or I'll just put a lot into a podcast and then the show ends and then it just ends and it feels like not a great way to
[SPEAKER_03]: build an audience.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I've started something different.
[SPEAKER_03]: I started a single podcast where I cover different shows.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there was that, I mean, I always try to pick shows that I'm excited by that I think are top tier that interests me.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the only difference is I'm going to be picking shows like that and putting them all on a single podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's called wax episodic.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's going to be my new main podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: kind of like my podcast home.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so for each one of these series, you know, it'll be me doing the same thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I always do talking in depth about episode by episode about great TV.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm going to be bringing in guest co hosts for each series.
[SPEAKER_03]: People that I think are especially good fit for each show.
[SPEAKER_03]: People that I have fun with because I think this is all, this always should be fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so we're going to kick things off with Alien Earth.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's going to be me Randy of Welcome to the White Lotus and Kara of still slaying above everse podcast to really smart fun interesting people just they make it a pleasure to podcast about the show we we we we did our first episode you're about to hear it if you listen to the rest of this but I've always been into the alien movies but
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm especially excited about this show because it's headed up by Noah Hawley who created Legion and also the Fargo TV series two of my favorite shows and recent years two excellent shows.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Nohali is so talented.
[SPEAKER_03]: His shows are visually stunning.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're thrilling.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're smart and unpredictable.
[SPEAKER_03]: He also has a great talent for taking an existing property and making shows that feel the same, but also add a lot to it and make it deeper.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just think he's a really good writer and also a great filmmaker, great music.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just top notch.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you've left that on your radar yet, I hope you check it out, Alien Earth.
[SPEAKER_03]: After Alien Earth on wax episodic, we're going to be covering Vince Gilligan's upcoming new series, Pluribus, which stars Ray C. Horan, who played Kim on Better Call Saul.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, Vince Gilligan, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: He created Breaking Bad, which is maybe my all-time favorite show.
[SPEAKER_03]: I also think he's just such a great showrunner.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's smart.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's really, really detailed in his plotting, which, you know, I don't always care so much about that as much as I do about like,
[SPEAKER_03]: getting character right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he does both.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it is impressive that he plots out these details that makes so much sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he never leaves any stone on turn.
[SPEAKER_03]: He never leaves any T. Uncrossed or I undotted.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's also his shows are really funny in a dark way, which I love, they're unpredictable.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then once they play out, they seem inevitable.
[SPEAKER_03]: And my favorite thing probably he has a really good understanding of what people are really like.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, some extreme people, but I just think he knows about the human condition.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think actually maybe the most exciting thing about covering that series is that's gonna be me and my long time walking dead cast go host Karen some of you might know her some of you might have listened to us on walking dead cast before it became the cast of us.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is gonna be the first time that Karen and I cover a series together in years and it's gonna be a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm very much looking forward to that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Going that starts in November by the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then going forward on wax episodic, I'm going to be looking for other great shows to cover probably mostly otter driven, smart, unpredictable shows like Pluribus and Alien Earth.
[SPEAKER_03]: We might pick up the really excellent Amazon series fall out that season two comes out in December.
[SPEAKER_03]: I loved that show too.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're looking at Crystal Lake, the upcoming Friday the thirteenth series from A- twenty four.
[SPEAKER_03]: that starts Linda Cardellini as Jason Forty's mom.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have a feeling that's going to be more than just like a slasher flick as a series.
[SPEAKER_03]: A. A. Twenty-four is covering it and I'm getting good vibes off of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we make over that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm also thinking during the breaks between shows since I do want this to be a weekly podcast no matter what that I might go back and cover severance.
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of you have asked for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am
[SPEAKER_03]: I love the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: We just never got it together to podcast about it, so maybe we'll go back and do the earlier seasons and then pick up with the next one when it comes out.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's all just to start.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, if this works, then we'll keep going, keep picking new shows, keep going with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you have
[SPEAKER_03]: Like listening to me and talk about TV, I hope you will check out Wax episodic.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's my main podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm doing the walking dead rewatch on the cast of us.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love doing that.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not planning to stop doing that, but Wax episodic is where
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm covering new shows new non-walking dead shows and to give you a taste right here you're listening you're going to be listening to our first episode covering alien earth talks about the first two episodes of that show since they both came out last Tuesday I think
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope you enjoy the podcast and if you do or if you want to be ready for any of the other shows I mentioned, please go subscribe to wax episodic.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can find it wherever you get podcasts of course and I'll put links in the show notes too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Humanity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your lives were short and filled with fear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then your brains grew.
[SPEAKER_01]: You built tools and used them to conquer nature.
[SPEAKER_01]: You built impossible machines and went to space.
[SPEAKER_01]: You stopped being fooled.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or I should say, you told yourself, you weren't food anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in the animal kingdom, there is always someone bigger, for smaller, who would eat you alive if they had the chance.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it is to be an animal.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're born, you live, you die.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey everybody, welcome to the podcast, I'm Jason.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm Randy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm Kara.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Kara's here.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is wax episodic episode four.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: And this episode we're covering Alien Earth Season One.
[SPEAKER_07]: Episodes One and Two.
[SPEAKER_07]: Neverland and Mr. October.
[SPEAKER_02]: Finally.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Finally.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm waiting for a long time.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they announced this like two years ago or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what did you guys think?
[SPEAKER_07]: It was pretty crappy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a Christian.
[SPEAKER_07]: Let's end it here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks everybody.
[SPEAKER_07]: Have a great night.
[SPEAKER_02]: I I squealed a couple times.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: In voluntarily.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I I really I was pleasantly surprised.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think.
[SPEAKER_07]: agreed.
[SPEAKER_07]: I there were a couple of small details that made me like something in my brain fire rush like, oh, just like the clicky class sound when the the test is coming on and it's exactly like in the originals and I was like, I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So nostalgic, but also brand new, which is amazing to pull off.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's kind of what the buzz has been saying that it captures a lot of the elements of alien on a bunch of different levels of the movies that we love.
[SPEAKER_03]: But also like the suspense, the invasive disgusting body horror, the cool retro tech, some of the themes like working class versus corporate overlords.
[SPEAKER_03]: But also adds a lot of
[SPEAKER_03]: depth and some new things to one and they they fitting well, but they're I mean it was actually less about those you know more than yeah, I thought it was gonna be just one of the things I like that in kind of in the background of all of the movies there's been this incredible advanced technology of like synthetics and cyborgs right
[SPEAKER_07]: I think in like some of the comics it gets explored a little but in the movies and stuff it's always just sort of like yeah there is a character who's a synthetic so I kind of like that that's brought to the forefront of the story and we're exploring that yeah it's a cool part of the universe and it feels very relevant right now
[SPEAKER_03]: It's absolutely, and I'm sure that's, you know, why it's in here, because Noah Hall is freaking out about all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's like, yeah, there's so much here, like, we like sci-fi, where sci-fi geeks, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: I am.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is like, Noah Hall is going, oh, yeah, everybody knows aliens, so let's make a cool sci-fi show.
[SPEAKER_03]: It didn't even need to be alien, but a lot more eyeballs are going to be on it, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, in a sense, like, there's just a lot of cool sci-fi concepts in here that
[SPEAKER_03]: I would have loved to see in any sci-fi show.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it just happens to be alien in a way.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I really liked it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was also just so beautiful to look at and art fully made.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think this is the first time a lot of people are going to
[SPEAKER_03]: see how talented Noahali is as a writer and director because Fargo I think Fargo is a pretty popular show.
[SPEAKER_03]: Legion wasn't that popular even though it was amazing because it's alien it will draw more people to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was pretty stoked with it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, his directing style is very evident in this.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's amazing.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, for that.
[SPEAKER_07]: But then also very slow and yeah, I'm sure we'll get into it.
[SPEAKER_07]: But I was getting a kick out of it for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was really reminding me if you watched Legion.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: It felt a lot like Legion more than anything else.
[SPEAKER_03]: the pacing, the pacing, even just like the group of these young people with talents, you know.
[SPEAKER_07]: And there was quite a clinical environment that they took to be in in Legion.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the camera going down at creepy empty hall, just things like that, or flashes of horror.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it was basically just copy of Legion, very unoriginal.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were multiple shots where I was anxious as hell.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just, it was pretty masterful, honestly.
[SPEAKER_03]: You saying you squealed, I'm sure Noah Hollywood would love to hear that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was having visceral reactions, and I rewatched it at work, so that was not the best thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So before we get more into it, I just want to say if you're just like finding us right now, if you just like looking for an alien podcast, and this is the first time we ever heard anything that we've done, we're part of the podcast again at work.
[SPEAKER_03]: We did an introductory podcast telling what we're all about.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the first one in the feed.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is episode four, so it's just a few episodes back.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like who we are, what we do, why we want a podcast about this show in particular.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just briefly, we're all a long time alien fans.
[SPEAKER_03]: I saw it in the drive-in at nine years old the first movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't seen all the movie since.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have a big no-holi fan as you can probably tell.
[SPEAKER_03]: I loved Fargo and Legion.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you want to know more, I would go back and listen to that introductory episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: We want to focus more on alien.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think this series actually calls for a regular fucked up moment of the week segment.
[SPEAKER_07]: So what comes to mind?
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, I will say I got my wife to watch this with me and she doesn't really like horror or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_07]: And at the beginning, we see the cat.
[SPEAKER_07]: And my wife's like the cat survives, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: And I was like, yeah, genuinely, I was like, yeah, it's kind of like, yeah, it's a running thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a call back.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then we get to the cat.
[SPEAKER_07]: She's like, oh, there's the cat.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I was like, oh, yeah, I wonder, I bet he's like eating an alien or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that
[SPEAKER_07]: I think comes out of its skull and flaps on the floor and my wife was like the cat survives.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's like I'm so sorry.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's like it's still alive, baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was meowing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though it's back legs were dragged behind it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I know a lot of people and I don't blame you or like fuck you for showing that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I I did not enjoy that part by I think mine would have to be the most visceral reaction I had is when in the second episode when Joe kind of enters into the apartment after the xenomorph has
[SPEAKER_02]: slaughtered everyone and you see the owner like his torso crawling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Forward.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like pretty chill for her.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I did make a question if he was a synthetic at first, but I was like, that's a lot of blood.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, like, maybe his heart's still pumping.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was unexpected.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so I'm crawling home.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Rough day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Work.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm standing.
[SPEAKER_03]: For me, I mean, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That stuff was bad, but when you see that little leechy-magity thing crawling in the guy and then he get they get cuffed to the pipe and then it crawls in his helmet and I'm like oh my god, and then bites his neck and then immediately just swells up and then plops off like it's all satisfied you know
[SPEAKER_07]: The fastest tick in the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then I think later terrible when the hybrid kids I guess go enter that room.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's back on the guy like getting some more like in about two seconds and then it plops off again like it was embarrassed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you got me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, not again.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah, it's a girl show now that we're saying it all like that in my mind.
[SPEAKER_07]: It was kind of like it was yeah, it's pretty cerebral and there's a lot of thinking.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah, there was also these very gross parts.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good mix.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and yeah, it's I haven't in the news, but I'll mention no Holly said something about how he wanted because he's famous for Fargo show based on a movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Legion is the show based on existing characters, X-Men characters, now Alien.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he said he wants to try to recapture that feeling that he got when he was first watching this stuff and then give it to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so for Alien, you can't do that by just showing face huggers all the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We used to that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's why there's new creatures doing grow shit like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's I love?
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was surprising.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a nice surprise.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's before we we're gonna like really get into our analysis here.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've come prepared with a bunch of points and things to talk about, but we like to read the plot summaries just to sort of remind everyone of what they just watched.
[SPEAKER_03]: So Kara, would you like to start with the first one?
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, for Neverland, we start in twenty one twenty, where five companies control Earth and the colonized solar system, including the recently founded Prodigy Corporation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the U.S.
[SPEAKER_02]: C.S.S.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it Magano or isn't Magano?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm thinking about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now that I'm thinking about it.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think it may be Magano.
[SPEAKER_02]: Magano?
[SPEAKER_07]: I would say Magano.
[SPEAKER_07]: Magano.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Magano.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: For a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Magano.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: A wail and duetani C class deep space research vessel approaches Earth after a sixty five year expedition to obtain extraterrestrial specimens among them face huggers on Earth at prodigies neverland research island.
[SPEAKER_02]: A terminally ill child named Marcy Hermit becomes the first hybrid having her consciousness transferred to an adult synthetic and renamed herself Wendy.
[SPEAKER_02]: adjusting to our new body with the assistance of synthetic mentor Kirsch, Wendy oversees several other children who undergo the procedure.
[SPEAKER_02]: A malfunction compromises the Majino's navigation, placing it on a collision course with Earth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some specimens get loose and a grown xenomorph kills most of the crew.
[SPEAKER_02]: It crashes into a tower in Projecty City, New Siam, where Wendy's human brother, Joe Hermit, works as a medic and corporate soldier.
[SPEAKER_02]: CEO Boy Cavalier, which is a fantastic name.
[SPEAKER_02]: It asserts the magino's contents now belong to prodigy and deploys Kirch, Wendy and the other hybrids to assist with search and rescue to test their enhanced capabilities.
[SPEAKER_02]: Security Officer Moro, who survived the crash in a reinforced panic room, moves to protect the cargo and detains two prodigy soldiers who are killed by a leech-like specimen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wendy remarks to curse she wants to save her brother from death.
[SPEAKER_03]: It says that the CEO boy Cavalier sent them into test their capabilities, which is, you know, he seemed excited about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then Kirch was directing them to perk her specimens and didn't even care.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, oh, we found her brother.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't care about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think he was doing that on his own initiative?
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably, right, since he's the science guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a little sociopath.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, hard to say.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean,
[SPEAKER_02]: That conversation that he had with, was it utony about how everything in the ship is proprietary?
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought immediately, he was like, okay, this is what I actually am interested in this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he did say that later.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want everything that's there.
[SPEAKER_07]: And that was, he had that thought prior to letting the last boys actually go.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I think that was his thought was like, oh, there's a treasure trove over here.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: He didn't really care what was in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, bro, you're a trillionaire.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't, there can never be enough.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now I know why they have a big leech in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's definitely better.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They just keep sucking till they pop.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: What about the second one?
[SPEAKER_03]: Randy?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: Mr. Oktober.
[SPEAKER_07]: Cavalier tells his colleague, Dame Silvia, that he formed the hybrid project to compete with artificial intelligence, and has granted Wendy additional abilities as he wishes to create a person smarter than him.
[SPEAKER_07]: He declines Waitland Utonis requests to secure the Majino's proprietary contents, warning any incursion on his territory will be considered a hostile act.
[SPEAKER_07]: Hermit is chased by a xenomorph and separated from his colleagues.
[SPEAKER_07]: It tracks him to the higher floors of the tower, killing another soldier and mass occurring in apartment of wealthy residents who refuse to evacuate.
[SPEAKER_07]: He saved by Maro, who tasers him and the xenomorph, but it regains consciousness and escapes after killing numerous other soldiers, sparing Maro.
[SPEAKER_07]: Arriving in prodigy city, hybrids total smee nibs and curly encounter two other dangerous extraterrestrial specimens.
[SPEAKER_07]: Wendy locates her brother with slightly a fellow hybrid, but he doesn't recognize her.
[SPEAKER_07]: Slightly reveals her true identity to a shocked hermit who believed Wendy slash Marcy to have died.
[SPEAKER_07]: The three encounters several xenomorph eggs in are ordered by cursed to contain them until hazmat arrives.
[SPEAKER_07]: Hermit is dragged away by the xenomorph and Wendy chases after.
[SPEAKER_03]: It just occurred to me that I bet you know how he was inspired to give these kids these names because the most famous kid in Alien so far is nicknamed Noot for some reason.
[SPEAKER_03]: So why not call them cute little in the lips and curly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, the other part of that is that those are the names of the lost boys are Peter Pan.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I was all adopted.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but it's perfect.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's the first time I told nibs.
[SPEAKER_07]: I thought somebody called her new.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I was like, oh, that's a weird coincidence.
[SPEAKER_03]: But no, nibs.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of nudes in the future.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like they didn't or something.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: So just these synopsies, I after we watched the two episodes, I tried to write down what the plot was because I was like, I need to remember all of this.
[SPEAKER_07]: So much happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be a long episode every week.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, the first time I tried writing notes, I had to stop us.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's too much happening.
[SPEAKER_07]: I can't have to just focus on this and then come back at the door.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I probably, I watched twice, but I'm sure I missed a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, do you mind if I go first?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, bring it on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: My first one is boy Cavalier corporate overlord.
[SPEAKER_03]: The opening text was really interesting to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: It says in the future, the race for immortality will come in three guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cyberonactically enhanced humans or cyborgs are officially intelligent beings since synthetic beings downloaded with human consciousness hybrids.
[SPEAKER_03]: which technology prevails were determined what corporation rules the universe.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just kind of like that it was a given that one corporation will rule the universe.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's the universe not the galaxy or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that grandiose languages.
[SPEAKER_03]: goes along with sort of today's exaggerated self-important, almost self-mathologizing vibe.
[SPEAKER_07]: Corporations, especially if you like changed corporations to like the masters of the universe, but still fit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I mean, just if I mean to tech, you know, so I watch all these like AI presentations and things and they're talking about how, I mean, they're probably right, but just how things are gonna change
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of scary, but it's just feels big, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you extrapolate out where we are now to one hundred years from now, which is about when this takes place, it doesn't make sense that the world could be controlled by five corporations by then, you know, because corporations want to gas them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you can never tell for sure, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, right now it seems like Google in Facebook or meta.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I bet I feel like OpenAI is having a moment, but
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go with.
[SPEAKER_03]: So much crazy.
[SPEAKER_07]: Whatever company owns tidy scoop, the cat litter.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I'm just, that's going to be my dark horse and just race.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean, a corporation is just a group of people that sells things.
[SPEAKER_03]: good services but if they're successful they can amass a lot of power because money is power and then as we're seeing they can use that to buy off politicians to create laws more favorable to them gaining even more power
[SPEAKER_03]: It really is a metaphor for this leech like they just want more and more that and when we covered alien I mentioned there's this documentary called the corporation from two thousand three that makes the argument that if a modern corporation was a person
[SPEAKER_03]: It would meet the clinical definition of psychopath because it prioritizes profit over everything, safety, ethics, even human life.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're incapable of guilt or empathy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that lined up really well with how wailing you, Tony, and that movie doesn't just want that alien.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's willing to sacrifice the whole crew to get it without a thought.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm only repeating that now because I think it's something to keep in mind as we watch alien earth.
[SPEAKER_03]: It seems like it's really going to be a big part of it.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think with you might go into it, but I think with boy Cavalier, it does start to become even more personalized to his wants as opposed to the wants of a corporation.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's really narrowed down.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think
[SPEAKER_03]: that a lot of these modern corporations feel like extensions of their CEOs, psychology, you know, and countries I feel like are like that too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I just the older I get and the more attention I pay, the more I think that
[SPEAKER_03]: these big moves that big entities take countries or corporations are often just because the leader was pissed off at somebody because they were rude to them or something like that, you know, or just their ego's bruised somehow and then whole mountains are moved because of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you think about how many CEOs are clinical psychopaths?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a percentage.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it, I mean, it, it fits, and it makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you act out of ego right frequently if you're psychopath.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, even if you, like, I don't know, they say absolute power, quote, quote corrupts absolutely, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's a big part of this too.
[SPEAKER_03]: What happens to good people when they get more power?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like they say money can magnify
[SPEAKER_03]: who you really are, but I don't know, it's really, it's really interesting question to wonder what any of us would do with, with a lot more power.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it'd become a trillion air.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's a young man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: He is.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like boy family.
[SPEAKER_07]: I imagine.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, he basically gets to the point where he's manipulating human consciousness just because he wants to have a point of conversation.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's absolutely, like, I do love, you know, the
[SPEAKER_02]: the parallels, especially when they showed the sheep and thinking about, you know, the infamous dolly and the first clone and how everyone, you know, there was this big kind of societal discussion about playing God and, you know, are we crossing a line if we can clone animals if are we crossing a line if we can clone humans and this kind of takes it to
[SPEAKER_02]: an entirely different level.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's, I'm really excited about the, the Maddox that it suggests.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be fascinating.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, if I, I really hoping that Noah Hallie doesn't let us down in that they really push it to the extreme, you know, that this is just a little glimpse of where this is going to go with all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: But so we're talking about a few different things here.
[SPEAKER_03]: One is,
[SPEAKER_03]: the ego of the people at the top.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this guy, boy Cavalier, world's youngest Trillionaire.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure he's a prodigy and he named his company prodigy because he's an narcissist, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a whole narcissist.
[SPEAKER_07]: Or he likes the band.
[SPEAKER_07]: We don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was thinking about that too.
[SPEAKER_03]: The fear, he says, you know, I mean, this one conversation you had with his right-hand person, what's her name, Dame Sylvia.
[SPEAKER_03]: He said, the fear with our official intelligence is that we build a brilliant machine that will build an even smarter machine until so long us.
[SPEAKER_03]: What we're doing here, you and me is exploding human potential, then we'll see what they build before the machines ruin everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's an intelligence race.
[SPEAKER_03]: which is that really reminds me of, well, of Elon Musk.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's talked about that kind of thing a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then he goes, people always think it's about money with trillionaires.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you know what I really want.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to talk to someone smarter than me.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she goes, thanks.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, yeah, it's not about ego, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very, it's all about ego.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's really arrogant.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I loved how she seemed to hate him.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think seem like she's in it for the reasons that she wants to help people.
[SPEAKER_02]: But she had empathy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think so.
[SPEAKER_03]: It seemed like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's it seems like at least more than him, especially when I came to Wendy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: He just I mean does not care.
[SPEAKER_03]: She seemed excited about being a part of
[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody company that discovered something new, but also she cared about the experience of the people that they impacted.
[SPEAKER_03]: As it said in the opening scroll, you know, the race to immortality or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is about tech billionaires wanting to be immortal.
[SPEAKER_03]: His research facilities on Neverland Island, which is, you know, in Peter Pan, the kids fly off there and stay kids forever, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think he probably named himself Boy Cavalier.
[SPEAKER_03]: because he thinks of himself as being capital.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he wants to be a boy, stay young forever.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so maybe he's in a rush to perfect this tech.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he can do it to himself before he gets to all that or no.
[SPEAKER_03]: He said it was said it was the youngest.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's the youngest trilliner.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it made me think of all these people venture capitalist Peter Teele.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's invested in anti-aging research, cryonics.
[SPEAKER_03]: He has a set of longevity startups.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's expressed interested in extending human lifespan.
[SPEAKER_03]: Elon Musk's derelank is neurolinks, sorry, is working on brain computer interfaces that could be a step towards mind uploading.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jeff Bezos is invested in alto labs, which is researching cellular rejuvenation to reverse aging.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sam Altman of OpenAI has invested in companies exploring life extension and also in retro bio sciences aiming to add ten healthy years to the human life lifespan.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it goes on and on there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm thinking no Holly's paying attention to the news and that's why I hold this is in here.
[SPEAKER_03]: And just one more thing I want to say about all this corporation stuff that
[SPEAKER_03]: They're implementing this new technology of transferring a human consciousness into a synthetic body using these kids who have these debilitating diseases, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably terminal.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what companies, they get dispensation to test new risky tech on people with severe ailments.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Neuralink, Elon Musk's company is a great example.
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you guys paid attention to that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Very much.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, not too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I tried to avoid it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they have brain computer interfaces.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would totally understand if people just find it disturbing.
[SPEAKER_03]: But as of last month, July, as I'm recording this, they've been planted them in seven people.
[SPEAKER_03]: And all of them have had serious neurological conditions or paralysis because they have FDA approved early human trial, which is only authorized for that kind of people.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so just like in Alien Earth, they're starting with vulnerable groups to help justify the surgical risks, at least that's why they're doing in the real, I don't know about Alien Earth.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the goal of the neural link thing is to let people control a computer cursor type or interact with devices using only their thoughts.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they have done that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I saw a YouTube video of a guy moving a cursor around on the screen, playing chess, Mario Kart with his just mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I read that one person even used it to edit and post a YouTube video entirely through thought.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, that's
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I know what rabbit hole I'm doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I also think about where it could lead like Musk has hinted like if you look at his comments, he's warned about the dangers of super intelligent AI and says humans quote merging with AI could be the way to keep up and stay relevant.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's almost exactly what Boy Cavalier said.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's also talked about ideas like downloading new skills straight into our brains like the major matrix style communicating thought thought without speaking and even backing up our minds to live on in synthetic bodies.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm sure Musk and Nurel Lake were at least part of the inspiration for all of you in making this show.
[SPEAKER_07]: I did wonder with this synthetic the uplink that happens in the show if it's the same thing that the same theory that comes from the Star Trek transporters or it's like are they being transported or all their cells being broken down that person's dying and they're being rebuilt and a new person is there.
[SPEAKER_07]: So is I think the question we're probably going to be asking as the show goes on is is that Marcy in there or is this just Wendy?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what, what's a human?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's going to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And points.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I was wondering, can you take a human consciousness copy it, put it in one of these synth bodies without having to kill the original human?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then what are the implications of that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it seems like for some reason to me, if
[SPEAKER_03]: It feels more like transferring than the new entity should clearly have more rights.
[SPEAKER_03]: But if it's just a copy, then you
[SPEAKER_03]: for some reason in my mind, you wonder, oh wait, so do they belong to the company now?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, even in the way it's been shown in these first few episodes of Alienly Earth, where it is a transfer, and I don't know if they killed the body, or if it just dies as part of the process or what, but they don't seem to have a lot of rights.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're told they can't go back into their families, they have to live on this island, yes, so I don't know how long it lasts.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's so much darker thinking about, you know, I was stuck throughout and I'll talk more about it later.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the fact that these are children and, you know, in general, when it comes to medical decisions or surgeries and things like that, parents can consent for their children.
[SPEAKER_02]: But with something like this where you're transferring your conscious, you're giving up your, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: You're bodily autonomy, almost to a certain extent.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a huge consent issue to me and a moral and ethical issue that I really hope they touch on and explore further, especially finding out what happens to the actual ill, terminally ill child's body afterwards.
[SPEAKER_02]: And how it seems that they retain
[SPEAKER_02]: all of the memories and everything else.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I just I don't know.
[SPEAKER_07]: They do show the bodies being zipped up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: So we do know that the body of the child died or we assume it's just the body.
[SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, there could be some step in the process we're not seeing because it almost felt like magic because they're just sort of on a glowing table and I was excited.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: With sort of the retro tech that alien goes for, I was waiting for something to get like plugged into the back of their head or something physical.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I do wonder,
[SPEAKER_03]: if they're if they're going to go into depth on that at all and explain about the logic you got it over like yeah yeah which I'm also okay with if they want to go that route and we just discuss that well it might be because they're not ready to reveal the horrors of it you know maybe I don't know because she was sitting next to um one of the kids during the procedure and you would think if there was something
[SPEAKER_03]: horrible that they would want hidden going on that she wouldn't be able to be sure sit there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but you wonder.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, does the procedure kill the child or does it sound so often to say yeah, or do they kill the child as part of the process, you know.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Since we just touched on it that scene where they're doing the mind transfer, uh, this goes into like Noah Holley's directing and whatnot.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's all one shot.
[SPEAKER_07]: And incredible staging because the camera keeps panning around.
[SPEAKER_07]: You'll see two people on the table and then it'll cut over and you'll see like that child in it.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're adult body now standing next to Wendy.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then the camera will move around and it just they kept like putting new people into the shot and
[SPEAKER_07]: All in one go.
[SPEAKER_07]: I didn't catch it the first time.
[SPEAKER_07]: I was like, oh, okay, they're just like, there's something happening.
[SPEAKER_07]: But if you imagine in the background, there's these people just shuffling around, like get into the right spot at the right time.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's incredible.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's like, yeah, puzzle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oneer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I feel like, oneers aren't usually circular.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Usually, you know, you're following characters on a path or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that is, that is extra.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was kind of mesmerizing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The effective.
[SPEAKER_02]: And watching, you know, every time I was like, okay, what's this one gonna look like?
[SPEAKER_02]: What's this adult gonna look like?
[SPEAKER_02]: And those actors just, this is not really one of my points, but I just have to shout out those actors that are portraying the lost boys for how everything like they felt
[SPEAKER_07]: Like children.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they were children.
[SPEAKER_02]: The body language the way they talked and interacted with each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is fantastic.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They do a really good job of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's very immersive.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wendy is played by Sydney Chandler, whose Kyle Chandler's daughter.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was in Coach Taylor on Friday night lights.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's been in Godzilla movies.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, great.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's only been in a few things, most recently at Apple TV series Sugar with Colin Farrell, which I haven't seen, but I thought she was very good and especially good.
[SPEAKER_03]: playing a kid like this, so you're very believable.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remind me of big with Tom Hanks.
[SPEAKER_02]: What did she say?
[SPEAKER_02]: At first, she was just like, target.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was like, and these are weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I moved when I run.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just like, what the hell?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, oh, who like, yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: That makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like very quickly.
[SPEAKER_07]: with no explanation, apparently.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, which also is also terrifying.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, leads into this idea that the boy, I keep calling him just boy and that keeps bringing up the idea of boy from the monsters under the bed, something like that with Tim Curry.
[SPEAKER_07]: But just the idea that
[SPEAKER_07]: he if he's being honest and he just want somebody smarter to talk to the fact that he's like harvesting and basically killing children like literally killing children just to get to this goal is so dark and they're playing him so like kind of whimsical and Peter Panish at this point that you're kind of like
[SPEAKER_07]: Not he's not twirling his mustache and being like, yes, the blood of children.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's what's going to bring me.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's just like, I'm trying to create something amazing and I'm helping them become amazing, but it's all for his own want and needs.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like a dark Peter Pan.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love Peter Pan.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I and baseball.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was really happy with these first two episodes and the Peter Pan aspect of it because he is kind of like this man child to a certain extent who's refusing to grow up and doesn't seem, you know, obviously fighting aging and to a certain extent maturing and
[SPEAKER_02]: you know that's there's that whimsical quality that you talk about but on the inverse he has almost total control over these children once they've been transferred and you know how much they can monitor Wendy how much we can see that they can essentially see what she is seeing at all times and that level of control and he controls their names almost like he controls
[SPEAKER_02]: who they are to a certain extent.
[SPEAKER_02]: He controls where they can go.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just, I'm really excited to see how they kind of extrapolate on that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I got the impression that what he's doing is not like, in with the comparison of like current corporations and how they will test things and they get permission to do it.
[SPEAKER_07]: I kind of get the feeling he's doing this under the table.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's not able to board with this, but he's also powerful enough that he's got his own island and at least the sea.
[SPEAKER_07]: So he's making the rules.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's hard to know, yeah, if whether he just makes laws, it could be to that point because they say that five corporations control the globe.
[SPEAKER_03]: And some have planets and the moon and everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, I was a fun little through and mine.
[SPEAKER_03]: I meant talking about Wendy, you know, I think she's such a great central figure to all of this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Holly probably wanted the participants to be limited to kids.
[SPEAKER_03]: because in this cynical alien world, they want someone that we can root for because they're so innocent, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: And they are.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I do root for them and she immediately wants to go save her brother and she grabs a sword, which it's almost like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ripley energy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: And what's that a sword or was it?
[SPEAKER_07]: I think it was a paper cutter.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then, you know, I worry a little bit about it because, you know, Kersh is talking about humans having been food.
[SPEAKER_03]: And basically saying, you know, you used to be food, but you got smart and changed your reality to control of nature.
[SPEAKER_03]: But now the implication is that
[SPEAKER_03]: with our appetites, we're dooming ourselves by a going out and searching for predators.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And creating predators potentially with these synths and modified humans and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So then you look at what Wendy is now.
[SPEAKER_03]: She says her emotions are quiet you know and it sounds like from the conversation that curse had with Sylvia that you could turn them all the way off if you wanted because she's like should we turn them up and he's like what turn them down like he I that was a great conversation because he's like hey what's wrong with being a synth I'm a synth are you saying that's bad but then a little things like just showing how not human she is anymore or superior to human or whatever
[SPEAKER_03]: Just make you wonder how far away she could go from being human during the hearing test.
[SPEAKER_03]: This was like a little subtle thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think because there was some of the conversation going on, but they're like, raise your hand whenever you hear a tone and then you hear beep and she raises your hand and then she just keeps raising your hand and I'm not hearing anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know about you guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I was sitting there like...
[SPEAKER_02]: Trying to like clean out my ears at that point.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, yeah, this is not good.
[SPEAKER_03]: When she first like, she was on the cliff side and this is my first saw her and I'm like, is this a dream?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like why the hell is she up there?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's dangerous.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then she jumped down and it seemed like a dream, but it was real.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then she says at one point, she misses eating.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, that's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Taking her away from being human.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't eat.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think with the hearing thing, there is also a little line that is hard to hear, but somebody says she's well beyond the human frequencies.
[SPEAKER_07]: So she's hearing beyond what humans can do at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which makes you wonder if she's seeing things beyond right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because we only see a limited spectrum of light.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then she's figuring out how to spy on her brother through the surveillance network.
[SPEAKER_03]: So she's super intelligent.
[SPEAKER_03]: She can manipulate data.
[SPEAKER_03]: She made that robot, tell her, or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Clarke guy, tell her brother.
[SPEAKER_03]: They told each other, which surprised you to the scientists.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, fascinating.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the whole implicate where they're like, did she program for that to like change the code?
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I was, oh, this is going to be good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I hope this is a thread.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm assuming it's clearly going to be one that follows through.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the notion of
[SPEAKER_02]: What did they talk about?
[SPEAKER_02]: Giving, you mentioned the conversation that they had Jason about, you know, with her hormones and emotions like we can turn it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that they can give her synthetic hormones to essentially push her through her adolescence faster and the implications of
[SPEAKER_02]: complete in total control that they have over these people that are a human consciousness is really kind of terrifying.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's when, you know, not to go back to
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it kind of ties into the original and we talked about a lot of the sexual assault metaphors and symbolism that come up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the idea of consent and control and what makes you a human in general stuck with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I've been thinking about it for all day, yesterday and today.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I can't remember the last time a show made me reflect on something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, that line where she says, or when they're having, is her and boy Cavalier having that conversation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he says, you know, if I didn't know any better, I think she was human when she wants to go save her brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she just is almost indignant.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, what are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_03]: right now it seems like she like I was saying she's innocent she's the one we root for she's the heart of the show and maybe she will continue to be that but they're really setting up all the elements for her to maybe change and even this goes into the conversation that we were having before about
[SPEAKER_03]: can absolute power corrupt, like, or could they mess with her and change her into something else?
[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't be surprised if she changes into something more cynical or more gray area at some point.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, Dame Sylvia says, simulating the human experience as critical
[SPEAKER_03]: But Kersh is really saying, oh no, you don't want to be a human right now because humans are about to be food again.
[SPEAKER_03]: You want to be something superior to that like me.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what we're getting from him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I know they're going to play with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would imagine, you know.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I love that.
[SPEAKER_07]: kind of the juxtaposition of it being a child's mind in these incredibly strong durable bodies like almost superheroes because initially my thought was oh well this would be interesting to see characters who aren't afraid of the aliens they don't have any reason to but once they are actually in the situation they do store to revert back to children so there's this weird like back and forth emotionally where you're like they're probably fine because they're incredibly strong but their children in this really
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, like, you keep going back and forth between being worried for them and also thinking like, well, are these invincible characters that like we don't need to be worried about, but it's such a weird balance that they're conflicting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I also think of it like you want, you know, it's like this feeling a lot of parents have with their own kids.
[SPEAKER_03]: You want to preserve that
[SPEAKER_03]: in a sense, but they're going to grow into something else, whether you want it or not, and the best healthiest thing is for you to accept for who they are.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you think you're going to always want to feel a certain way.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have this a lot of times in high school, you have every high school sweetheart.
[SPEAKER_03]: You go off to different colleges and you're like, we're always going to be true to each other and then you go off and you end up
[SPEAKER_03]: looking up with somebody else or whatever you know that happened so weird different place yeah and so just these kind of concepts how have me kind of going back to what I was talking about before about her and and all these hybrids where
[SPEAKER_03]: If you want to try to preserve your humanity or other people around you want that for you, like Dame Sylvia, but here you've got all these powers and abilities and somebody turned down your emotions and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or that movie her, you know, with who was it walking Phoenix and Scarlett Johansson, they had this relationship.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then she grew beyond him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry to spoil that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you should definitely watch it anyway.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a great way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Especially the light daily in Earth.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just like you never know what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Companion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you see Companion?
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't seen that yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to go out.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would recommend that too because it's kind of similar where you're spoiler alert.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ish.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll spoil it very minimally but you you think this is a normal organic relationship between two people and it is not and there's a lot of the same themes of control you know if you can
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you hack the system and do something you're not supposed to and what kind of consequences does that have?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm glad that there's media actually touching on these subjects right now because I feel like we're on the cusp of what could be a very dangerous technological error but also era but also a really fascinating one.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just, I can't wrap my brain even how, like what opinion I have on things moving forward.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just now they moved chat GPT up to number five and a lot of people were like, hey, I was, that was my friend and now their personality is different and I'm really depressed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Stuff like that, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, oh, what it just, oh, yeah, to do is put one of those in a synth body and it would just be alien.
[SPEAKER_07]: one of the things or you're mentioning how the powers can be like changing who the synths are or the hybrids actually and one of the things I picked up on was that boy at night is reading to them from Peter Pan
[SPEAKER_07]: And the part that he's describing is how parents at night would go in and tidy up all of the bad behaviors and the children's minds while they sleep.
[SPEAKER_07]: So that when they wake up in the morning, they don't remember those.
[SPEAKER_07]: And at the same time, we're hearing that story.
[SPEAKER_07]: We see some of the hybrids with their heads in the thing that basically gave them life, which kind of implies that's where they maybe go to sleep and they could be getting
[SPEAKER_07]: rewired or re having their minds tidy up each night so that they don't remember something.
[SPEAKER_07]: And that's I think one of the things with the, um, if you call it an analogy, they're going with with Peter Pan here or just like the references.
[SPEAKER_07]: That the longer you stay in Neverlands, the more you forget things.
[SPEAKER_07]: So you forget your past and your childhood.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I do feel like they're going to be leading towards that where the hybrids are going to start forgetting who they were and what they've wanted and they're going to become something different.
[SPEAKER_07]: And in this they're being manipulated by
[SPEAKER_07]: a Peter Pan like character who wants them to be there with him.
[SPEAKER_07]: He wants more people to not grow up, so he's not alone.
[SPEAKER_07]: But he doesn't want to grow up, so they have to be there with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Instead of freedom and morality seems like it's going to lead to oppression.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, alien is all about you or arrogant enough to think you could handle this thing and then it came back and ate you.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's why I think it's going to be a Westworld situation with these last boys.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm here for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is fine by me.
[SPEAKER_03]: A oppression is just one stop along the way to that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know it's about dominance and Darwinism and who's the strongest right and that's why it's about the alien the xenomorph that has evolved over a million of years to be this perfect organism.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then now we've got us generating our own perfect organisms and Wendy's maybe the going to be the pinnacle of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it'll be two of them against each other.
[SPEAKER_07]: Each ship, usually in the alien series, has a name or a reason behind its name.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I wanted to know what a magna was.
[SPEAKER_07]: The Magino refers to the Magino line, which is a complex of fortifications built by France, along its border with Germany before World War II.
[SPEAKER_07]: But it's also used as a metaphor for a defensive strategy or action that ultimately fails to achieve its goals due to being outmanoeuvre or circumvented by an adaptable adversary, which very much happens to you.
[SPEAKER_07]: adaptable adversary gets free crashes the ship and breaks that first line of defense that Earth basically had, which was their out in space.
[SPEAKER_07]: We're safe on Earth, but that defense has been broken in the aliens have now crashed onto the planet and the defenses are down.
[SPEAKER_03]: But this like I the one thing I was super confused about and maybe I'm just overthinking it, but
[SPEAKER_03]: the cyborg guy, Moro.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they're on the ship.
[SPEAKER_03]: They wake up from hypersleep.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think because they just had eat.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're in the mess hall.
[SPEAKER_03]: And somebody mentions that comms
[SPEAKER_03]: has gone down and that the log files are corrupted or something and you want I'll take a look at it and he goes no no no let security handle that which I found suspicious and then later when he's looking at the computer screen that says the specimens have gotten out and the navigation spin compromised or whatever is on the fritz and he doesn't let the crew person in and I
[SPEAKER_03]: felt like he was sabotaging things, but I don't think that's what they were going for.
[SPEAKER_03]: He kept saying, you know, the specimen are the mission and at all costs preserve them.
[SPEAKER_03]: It seemed like he was being loyal to Whalen Utani, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a little confused about all of this.
[SPEAKER_07]: One thing that I picked up on that I think illuminates to this is that a lot of the crew members are impregnated in their cryo chambers.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I think it's very unlikely that they got a thing on their face and then climbed in there.
[SPEAKER_07]: It kind of leads the idea that there was a sabotage of some sort, like maybe he allowed the face huggers to get into the crowd chambers so that they could birth the aliens.
[SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_07]: I do think he seems, or I think he seems loyal to Wayland.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's doing everything he can potential sabotage.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so he meant to let them out and pregnant the crew members.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then it got out of hand.
[SPEAKER_03]: Potentially.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I don't think he meant to crash into a prodigy hand, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or didn't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like something.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't think that I don't think there was an answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's going to be something that
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, because I was sitting I was like, what is happening?
[SPEAKER_02]: I even rewound a couple of like did I miss something like did I act did I just zone out ADHD a little too hard and I I mean
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if maybe there is some sort of malfunction.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it doesn't, like you said, there's obviously you didn't intend to crash into prodigy, but then I was like, didn't say.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because then you tiny, what calls and wants the stuff back, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: You tiny has presumed ways that you tiny have wailing you tiny, wants the stuff back.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if they intended to crash there, you would think
[SPEAKER_03]: that she would be like calling and wanting the stuff back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, give me my stuff back.
[SPEAKER_07]: Give it back.
[SPEAKER_07]: And it seems like he's mission now is to capture the Xenomorph and bring it with him.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I kind of like working theory is
[SPEAKER_07]: He allowed face huggers to impregnate the people in the cryo chambers.
[SPEAKER_07]: Close the cryo chambers, expecting the alien to also sleep and maybe the cryo chamber didn't work on the alien in a burst out of their chest.
[SPEAKER_07]: First out of the cryo chamber got free and now there's an alien running around the ship ruining his plans.
[SPEAKER_07]: But we also see that clearly somebody
[SPEAKER_07]: had one on their face and they were trying to surgically remove it.
[SPEAKER_07]: So somebody was awake, which could be him.
[SPEAKER_07]: He may have been the one who was doing stuff to like try and get an actual specimen.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's definitely still some mysteries in here.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's also, was it Mr. Ting?
[SPEAKER_07]: It was super creepy when everybody's sleeping in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the creepy guys.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's a sim, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: Because he thinks that's why he was there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I had, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the one thing I guess will one thing, I was sitting there at the beginning of the first episode, like taking notes on everybody's names as they were introduced.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then as soon as he was typing out, crew is dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, dammit, I did all of that.
[SPEAKER_07]: And they're all gone except for him.
[SPEAKER_07]: They did a good job of like introducing each of them.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I was like, I'm starting to like some of these guys.
[SPEAKER_07]: There was the engineer.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's an interesting dynamic.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: One of the mechanics is the guy who played, this will be a big tie around.
[SPEAKER_07]: He played wheels, a character in Simon Pegg and Nick Frost show space.
[SPEAKER_07]: But then that character wheels makes an appearance in Sean of the dead as a zombie.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's just in the crowd.
[SPEAKER_07]: He has a very distinct look.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I was like, oh man, this guy's great.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's funny.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're like setting him up.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's like teaching that kid stuff.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I was like, are you ready to?
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm ready to settle in with this crew and then they're like, no, I can't root for him.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody, I read some of somebody was like, yeah, that whole segment with that crew was like a speedrun version of the first alien.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Which is basically what, like, we got the taste of it and it's like, right, well, here's the new show.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a nice, I really, I thought that was a brilliant way to kind of intro it because it plays on your nostalgia.
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels familiar and it's exciting.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then as soon as, you know, as soon as we got that first reveal of the Xenomorph,
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just like, oh, this is going to be good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as it started using its head as kind of like a battering round.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I'll get into the room.
[SPEAKER_03]: We never see it had so much surface area there that you're like, what is that for?
[SPEAKER_03]: And oh, there's one used for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like that actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like that makes it head body.
[SPEAKER_02]: the way that they shot the attack scene of you know that one surviving crew member and the flashes of light and it just I watched that in the dark with you know my what you might call it my LED lights that were coordinated and
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish I could have had a gummy to watch it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think it would have been very interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was immediately impressed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like this feels cinematic.
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels big.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was it was pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had that's another thing I was a little confused is what the flashes of like before anything happened there were flashes of the alien and horror and I'm like is this like the cyborg guy just imagining what's gonna happen or is this just some foreshadowing that's like an artistic choice I thought it was an artistic choice yeah it felt like I know a holly thing at the first time
[SPEAKER_07]: It occurred to me that's like we're seeing different timelines at the same time as when they mentioned, oh, Mr. Ting watches you while you're in your cryopod.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then they cut to him looking at somebody and the first time I was like, oh, why are there still people in their cryopods?
[SPEAKER_07]: On the second day, we're going to realize that's the same woman.
[SPEAKER_07]: So they mention it and then they just cut a flash right to the past.
[SPEAKER_07]: No light transitions or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I'm curious if it's going to tie into the hybrids and like the way their memories are working or something like that or they're just getting like flashes of things and
[SPEAKER_07]: Maybe that would be very close to the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It did remind me of like a strobe light and a nightclub or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: That attack was amazing.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well,
[SPEAKER_03]: Cara, do you want to like do a point that you prepared or something like that?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to see, I was like, we've touched on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we touched on a lot of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The one thing, I mean, I latched on to Mr. October.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I, you know, whoever, I didn't, I meant to look at this episode and see who wrote it specifically.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the writing credits are?
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Holly wrote and directed them both.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was like somebody's a big baseball fan because the, you know, and the way that they filmed that close up of the Reggie Jackson baseball was, it reminded me of Indiana Jones almost.
[SPEAKER_02]: The way it was presented like this discovery.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, the shining light on the wall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Real quick.
[SPEAKER_02]: But,
[SPEAKER_02]: For those who may not be as obsessive about baseball, Reggie Jackson, of course, played for the Yankees multiple other teams, but he got the nickname, Mr. October, because in Game Six in ninety-nine seven during the World Series, he hit three home runs and was essentially a pivotal part of the Yankees winning the World Series.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hold it out in the end, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like he came in clutch and the way that they kind of use baseball in this episode and the notion of Mr. October, like the idea of seizing critical pivotal moments.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that plays in with Wendy and her character and, you know, using her synth abilities to intercept her brother's resignation and kind of orchestrate their reunion like she kind of came in clutch and is taking advantage of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: you know critical moment and then the nostalgia factor of it of what it means to be human and you see Joe at the very first scene we're introduced him he's got his ear but in he's listening to baseball coverage on the radio and at first I was like oh that's kind of cool like maybe someone's just a baseball fan and they're throwing in
[SPEAKER_02]: that detail, but then seeing him flash to memories of his dad and his dad and him sharing, it looks like a beer, but I'm assuming it was like a soda.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also think it was a beer.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know what the chocolate was like.
[SPEAKER_02]: The future's different.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, all right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That way, but Noah Hall it by the way, he's dad, he's just like, I know how he and Noah Hall is.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not clocked that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: So sweet, that makes me like it even more.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's just, it's like, and the fact that it's also, you know, quote unquote, America's pastime, and you know, it, it kind of symbolizes at least to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think for a lot of people kind of this stability and something that's a constant, I think about after nine eleven, it was, you know, the
[SPEAKER_02]: the Yankees and the Metz and, you know, President Bush throwing out the first pitch and how that kind of symbolized, okay, we're getting back to business.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't really shut us down.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was this kind of really pivotal moment, at least for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I've ever felt more patriotic things have evolved, but... Yeah, I remember that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it just, it was a really interesting thematic note to me, bringing in the nostalgia and this kind of sentimental anchor almost for Joe.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the things that I think alien as an original movie franchise, especially the first two.
[SPEAKER_02]: aliens in particular.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a human connection.
[SPEAKER_02]: You care about the characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not just this cool sci-fi movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like there are human emotional connections to be made.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought it was a great way to set that up in the series.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to be very curious to see
[SPEAKER_02]: If Joe's alive, how that ties into his relationship with his sister, my guess is he will survive because and I'm more confident in that now because of what you're saying because I think
[SPEAKER_03]: He'll be sort of a touch point if Wendy does start changing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he is her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Richie Jackson baseball.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think so?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's true October in this episode as a him or her.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or both.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's her.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's her.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's her.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's also if you're looking at it in a cynical way, it could be boy cavalier kind of seizing on this opportunity.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: See, my first thought it was him just because he survived an encounter with Xenomorph, but
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't really do much.
[SPEAKER_03]: He just kind of got knocked out and laid there.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_07]: I was starting to question if he's a synthetic because each of the times he's run into one of the xenomorphs.
[SPEAKER_07]: It slows down around him, which could be story.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got that plot armor.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, so it had me wondering because I feel like they do react differently to synthetics like they unless they see them as a threat.
[SPEAKER_07]: I feel like they don't always attack them if I remember and correctly, but drops down from that hole when he's standing on the staircase and it's slowly comes down.
[SPEAKER_07]: Then he moves and it jumps after him and then it goes into that room and it tears those people apart in seconds and then just comes out and it's like
[SPEAKER_03]: looking over a shoulder kind of and just a great way to present it to like in the healing movies especially the first one you barely see it and in this movie you got a real good look at it at times but there was also a lot of action where you just see here the screaming and see the shadows you know and you go and see the aftermath but there they like one thing I think when I watch the alien movie especially the first one is
[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if one reason why they're having this all off screen is because it's just this big dopey suit and it's coming if it was moving around, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or at least that helped them make that decision because it was very effective to keep it off screen.
[SPEAKER_03]: But in the second movie, they had a couple of moments where they moved really well.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I thought in Alien Earth.
[SPEAKER_03]: the movement was really cool and they were almost kind of supple cats, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're screen around and they're just like elongating and I just think they handle it really well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I put it looked like a galloping scorpion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's terrifying.
[SPEAKER_02]: When he describes it, like obviously we know they're huge, but when he starts to describe it, he's like eight feet tall as a team.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think if a thing like that came up to me, I would not have clocked it size.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'd probably been like, it was twenty seven feet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like a building.
[SPEAKER_07]: It was a demon.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I might lean slightly the other way with this.
[SPEAKER_07]: I a lot of it looks great and I like seeing how ferocious and fierce it is.
[SPEAKER_07]: But the couple of shots where you kind of just see it like scary array somewhere in the background, I could be in like it feels like somebody let their dog in the room and it's just like in the background in a couple of places.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I think it's partly because
[SPEAKER_07]: It is CGI, most of it.
[SPEAKER_07]: There is some, I think there's some practical little practice.
[SPEAKER_07]: But I was saying with the second in aliens, the way the queen and Ripley are fighting, it's very slow and kind of clunky and it looks a little funky, but it feels real and heavy.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I think when you get to CGI, the impulse is like, make it as fast as it possibly can go.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I think that for me, it loses just a touch.
[SPEAKER_07]: But I did like,
[SPEAKER_07]: seeing how it could massacre like a group of people because that has been sort of mysterious.
[SPEAKER_07]: So seeing it swiping in the fact that it's closer like digging into metal, you're like, okay, those things can kill people.
[SPEAKER_03]: For me, the tradeoff is worth it because
[SPEAKER_03]: We need to be at a point now, because as I keep saying, this is about like Darwinism and this is like the apex predator.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we need to believe, we need to see a little bit of how could do that, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: I do it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, true.
[SPEAKER_07]: I believe.
[SPEAKER_07]: There was just like one or two shots where I think when he's in the room and there's the balcony upstairs and you just see it like scurry by and I was like, yeah, just felt like somebody let their dog out and they're like,
[SPEAKER_02]: That scared the hell out of me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's because of, you know, it's that very effective like typical horror movie shot where there are so many different, the shots so wide.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are so many different places that, you know, a jump scare or something could come from.
[SPEAKER_02]: And for whatever reason, that really worked on me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though I saw it coming, oh, she's like, oh, shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: One thing I loved is just the disgustingness of some of this.
[SPEAKER_03]: We already couldn't have gotten into it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the little tentacle eyeball with multiple pupils, it could spawn more at will, I guess.
[SPEAKER_03]: All these creatures, by the way, while we were covering the first two movies, we wondered.
[SPEAKER_03]: if they'd had much contact with other aliens species.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, this sort of answers that we know they have with some.
[SPEAKER_03]: The whole leechie, maggot thing was the grossest thing I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I mean, there was these hanging pods gripping.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that kind of reminded me of Half Life.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have similar thoughts in the Half Life game.
[SPEAKER_07]: The line was that it presents his flora, but it might be fauna or something.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then when it's little like tentacly flower comes out and it's right next to the the hybrid's face and mouth and I'm like, no, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's going to go down here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Throw what?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's good.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's alien to.
[SPEAKER_03]: Very not good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like hermit or Joe, the brother.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_07]: he goes up to one of the facehugger pods and gets right down and it starts twitching and you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I was curious.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they came in, you know, there's all these soldiers and Joe the medic and they find crew members.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I love that we see one crew member with this chest burst open and we don't need to know anything else.
[SPEAKER_03]: We all know that means.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they said some crew died of toxin and they had blue lips.
[SPEAKER_03]: Was that because they were attacked by other species or is that an alien thing, too?
[SPEAKER_07]: I think it could be other, but I kind of thought it was, they were suffocated from having a Facebook or like, on that word.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's what I assume.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and, but it's hard to say.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think there's only two that we see.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, is that toxic?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what is happening?
[SPEAKER_03]: The drool seems not to be acidic because he drools out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not at least, yeah, definitely not acidic.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was like, by the time, you know, we don't see anyone
[SPEAKER_02]: really long enough to see what kind of effect it does.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess we will with Joe.
[SPEAKER_07]: We see it drip on Maro on his face when he's getting into the escape thing, but he's a cyborg.
[SPEAKER_07]: So who knows that we like Joe, your skin looks great.
[SPEAKER_07]: What if you think that's that's why that's why it's for the skin care products.
[SPEAKER_02]: instead of like, what do they put snail muesin?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like blood, some sort of blood.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The future.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I do love that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Other creatures get pulled in and that they are also just as dangerous.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's not just the xenomorph.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like almost the xenomorph was kind of like, they'll take care of you guys.
[SPEAKER_07]: I've got to get out of here and go do my own thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to know if the Zeno more fought the other specimens and if not, then why not?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because we want to see that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's like we wonder when we're seeing the weird plant thing upside up hanging up.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like how did that get up there?
[SPEAKER_07]: And is that some weird thing that happened between like a Zeno morph and another creature?
[SPEAKER_07]: And that's like the weird egg version and that's like the virus, hugger thing coming out.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: It seems like other stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like how big like how long were they on the ship like how did they have a chance to grow that I mean it reminded me I mean bats obviously it evoked that type of imagery but also you know Venus fly trap.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah for sure and the the eyeball saying
[SPEAKER_02]: awful with that cat.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that almost reminded me of a really distorted, disgusting version of thing, and Adam's family, because it had, I mean, it had a little personality.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I kind of hope that we're not done seeing other specimens.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that is a very rich world to explore.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, there were a bunch of other cages that were, they're like, so like dirty, you can't see what's in them.
[SPEAKER_07]: So it's almost like, they've got those in their back pocket.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're like, we can make anything pop out of there.
[SPEAKER_07]: We haven't promised you anything yet.
[SPEAKER_07]: So those could come up.
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, um, did.
[SPEAKER_07]: Jason, you and I in the past have covered a little show called White Lotus.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I assume you caught the character actor.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, who played.
[SPEAKER_07]: He was a character in White Lotus.
[SPEAKER_07]: He was great.
[SPEAKER_07]: And he was the soldier who gets handcuffed to the pole.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's the second guy who gets the thing on him and kills him.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I was, um, because he just did another big show.
[SPEAKER_07]: I was like, Oh, he's going to be with us for a while.
[SPEAKER_07]: And now he's
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but when I first saw hermit, I was like, oh my gosh, it's that kid from the black mirror episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: That it sent me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I almost had flashbacks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: This will be good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can think of you as something other than this creepy child.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, the fact that this takes place, or appears to have been filmed in Thailand, and then we see the Sino-Evo here, no evil speak, no evil statue, then the actor from White Lotus, I was like, alright, maybe this is gonna be Alien Meets White Lotus, and goes to her as well, and destroys everything later.
[SPEAKER_02]: That statue is interesting too, because it was juxtaposed with that shot of
[SPEAKER_02]: the other, well, I guess other synth faces connected the three.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's just as very interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I need to watch it two more times.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have everything sing in.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me ask you this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's say your in towards the end of your life.
[SPEAKER_03]: Would you want to have your consciousness transferred to a synth body?
[SPEAKER_03]: If you could trust
[SPEAKER_03]: that it wasn't an evil corporation in charge.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll take that out of you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_07]: So we know.
[SPEAKER_07]: So again, it's the tidy scoop corporation.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's not.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're the ethical ones.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think at that point, I might give it a go.
[SPEAKER_07]: It sounds almost as scary as dying.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I guess you could try it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you don't like it, you could just turn your unplug yourself.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for the batteries.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think if I don't know if you would ask me
[SPEAKER_02]: ten years ago, my answer may have been different.
[SPEAKER_02]: But thinking now, you know, I have always been one of those people.
[SPEAKER_02]: It drives me crazy that I'm not going to get to see what becomes up the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that there are so many things that I won't know about, and I will be able to learn about.
[SPEAKER_02]: But someone, you know, has somebody with a chronic illness, the idea of not experiencing pain and being able to
[SPEAKER_02]: You run and jump and still retain my consciousness and be around people that I love is kind of fantastic.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just what if you're the one with immortality.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like a vampire.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like you have immortality.
[SPEAKER_02]: What about your loved ones?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's
[SPEAKER_02]: probably going to be a pretty critical point here is are you human?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like what's the point of a human experience and a human consciousness if you can't go home or you know you can't spend that time with the people you love you can't eat that yeah that would be hard yeah like that's but can't like can they have sex do they experience pleasure in other ways they talk about their synthetic hormones and you know sending them through
[SPEAKER_02]: adolescence quickly, you know, I think I would, I'd be too curious to not.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I bet you know, yeah, because that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't want to be first, but if a few people did it and they're like, yeah, it's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then definitely I would try it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, just I didn't even think about the whole sex thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I bet, you know, it sounds like you can dial up and down hormone.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you can probably just have a little, this is so creepy, but you could have a little mob that just dials up your pleasure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that would not replace sex.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just thinking that way.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, this doesn't sound like it could be the start of the hybrid like addiction, where it's just like, oh no, he's in there.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Give me that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, but honestly, but that's one of the things like let's be real like if this technology were to exist sex.
[SPEAKER_02]: would be commodified somehow very cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like there was like porn is always going to be the first thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, and that's why it really freaks me out that they have control over hormones emotions and there's just
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like you said, if you could trust the corporation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and you can, but like that cyborg, I wonder how under control he is.
[SPEAKER_03]: By way, Tony, you know, I wondered if they just have full control of his mind or something like that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, he doesn't realize it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I do wonder.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I had a thought with if everybody starts being put into these hybrid bodies and they live forever does that mean we stop procreating to it just becomes right.
[SPEAKER_07]: This is the number of beings that exist now.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's what we have.
[SPEAKER_07]: The resources for and it just they live forever or do they continue to make new life in some form.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like do we just die?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like, I don't know for sure whether humans are still evolving, I think we are in some way, but not like we used you because we can prevent ourselves from dying in ways that would normally kill you, which is a good thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: But with this new technology coming in, I feel like there would be some evolution of the species, which I think is kind of the point.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, then inevitably an alien comes in and ruins it all.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to talk about stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's yeah, that's where evolution does happen when there's like a predator like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So whoever can some competition that you have to out of all right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought I like that there were some things right out of the alien franchise like
[SPEAKER_03]: Like an aliens one guy immediately smoking when he wakes up from hyperceasing.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: The creepy synth tang.
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably the creepiest one so far.
[SPEAKER_03]: The soldiers kind of reminded me of
[SPEAKER_03]: aliens, how they're kind of talking smack to each other.
[SPEAKER_03]: One said, I should have called in sick as they were entering this crash site, the building, the other one said, well, don't worry.
[SPEAKER_03]: I brought spare panties in my pack.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was wondering if hybrids were ever a thing, and an alien, and I looked it up, and no, we've had humans, you know, more of hybrids, Ripley, and alien resurrection, but no, that we've had humans with cybernetic augmentation, I guess, in some comics and novels, but no.
[SPEAKER_03]: human consciousness uploaded to a synth.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's for this series.
[SPEAKER_03]: I also was wondering the Nostromo set down on LV-IV-V-IV-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V
[SPEAKER_03]: the what do you call it Matt what did you know when out on a just random specimen collecting thing and happened to bring back the face hugger because maybe they didn't know about it yet they just got a bunch of them and this is how they found out and then they wanted to go get some work as of the face cream yeah and I aging is very important I
[SPEAKER_07]: like that you pointed out that it's two years beforehand.
[SPEAKER_07]: In my mind, I had been thinking this took place two years after.
[SPEAKER_07]: So that timeline works out much better.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think for me, I get the impression that maybe new SIAM is an island.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's going to crash there.
[SPEAKER_07]: We might get, I hope we get a pretty good alien infestation on the island, but I get the feeling it could be contained to the island, which might be how Earth lasts for a little while.
[SPEAKER_06]: That would make sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've got to hope that, you know, they've really thought out how it all fits together.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because
[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't know there was ever a xenomorph unearth and Ripley and her crew didn't know anything about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fifty-seven years later in aliens.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which talk about ever having encountered any unearth.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: So maybe Wayland and or prodigy really covered up really well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think there's only one xenomorph.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think I, well, yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes it feel a little darker, which I like.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there, you'd think that this could be some sort of eye-opening warning almost.
[SPEAKER_02]: And no, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: They make it different.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, good.
[SPEAKER_03]: So do we have any more points or should we go into notes?
[SPEAKER_07]: I do have one point.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think it's the most important point of this.
[SPEAKER_07]: What the heck is the hazmat guy spraying?
[SPEAKER_07]: What is that?
[SPEAKER_07]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: That felt like I know a holly thing to me where you just have something weird happening and it doesn't, it's not dressed.
[SPEAKER_07]: I just, because you got shot to the two.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's what is happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: It took me a second and maybe it was the settings on my TV, but I could not tell it was a suit at first.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was some sort of creature standing there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I was like, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought about the shadows in the first season of Legion.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But maybe it was just like touching up the paint.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's something going on there.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's just very slow at it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gosh, I a little bit about the cast.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I mentioned Sydney Chandler.
[SPEAKER_03]: Alex Lawther is Joe Hermitt the brother and he I remember him from a black mirror episode called Shut Up and Dance where he was blackmailed by hackers into like robbing a bank and then it turned out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, there's a twist at the end, but um
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, then he played carousnemic in season one of Andor he was the rebel with the manifesto that was just spouting off his manifesto great character in that one
[SPEAKER_03]: As he Davis plays Dame Sylvia who's been in all kinds of stuff, but she was the lead character Amelia Vanic in the Babadook.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's one thing I remember her and Samuel Blinken is Boy Cavalier.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this CEO guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's been in a few things here and there.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was Davis McCartel in the black mirror episode lock Henry that last season.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's what we're talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't, I could have just, I am DB did, but I did not know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I got crazy instead.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was Scorpius Malfoy in West End production of Harry Potter and the Curse of Child.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_03]: Babu C. Say who played Maro, the cyborg.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was in a bunch of movie and TV roles.
[SPEAKER_03]: Lieutenant Sephla and Rogue One.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember which character that is, but the main antagonist of Pilgrim in season three of this AMC series into the Badlands.
[SPEAKER_03]: There were a bunch of others, but the big one for me is Timothy Oliphant, who's Kirch, the synthetic chief scientist of prodigy, I feel like probably the most well-known, I don't know, at least for me.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think so.
[SPEAKER_03]: He played Sheriff Seth Bullock in Deadwood, Deputy U.S.
[SPEAKER_03]: Marshall Railing Givens in justified, also from FX, and Joel Hammond in the Santa Clarita diet among others.
[SPEAKER_03]: I liked him in the crazies, but he's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was, yeah, Sheriff Cobb Vanth and Mandalorian.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now, as you said, Timothy, all the fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking back on the episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now I feel like an idiot pronouncing it before the scene where, you know, he's standing there with Marcie looking in on the scorpion in the glass bowl and talking about how the scorpion might feel.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's how the xenomorph might feel that it's been possibly collected.
[SPEAKER_02]: God.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I also thought he might have been talking about himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because that makes sense as the what is he again synthetic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, because I just I just think that he's, you know, there was a scene where the
[SPEAKER_03]: Sylvia, Dame Sylvia was saying, maybe we need to dial up her emotions basically.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he was resistant to that saying, why do you need it?
[SPEAKER_03]: And later he was telling the hybrids.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you don't need to be afraid.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're not animals.
[SPEAKER_03]: Animals are afraid or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so his attitude to me is since our superior.
[SPEAKER_03]: and so the way I read I think you're probably right about the scorpion being the xenomorph but the way I read it he identified with the scorpion and he's he knows he's superior but he's singular right now and so he's sort of being limited by his circumstances but that just sort of another little thing that's set up that there may be some
[SPEAKER_03]: power transfer at some point.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that read too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because he's going to be, I mean, he's going to be fun to watch it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Timothy all of once he was going to be having a fantastic time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Play.
[SPEAKER_07]: It doesn't seem like he's having fun.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: What else?
[SPEAKER_03]: How about Randy, what notes do you have?
[SPEAKER_07]: So the military woman Siberian is wearing a red bandana under her helmet, which is very similar to what that the lasquess is wearing in aliens.
[SPEAKER_07]: In like a direct quote, one of the soldiers is talking about how we like collected cards of different wailing utonyships, I think.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then one of the other soldiers is like, do you think there's a finders fee?
[SPEAKER_07]: like for whatever's on the ship.
[SPEAKER_07]: And the other soldier looks at him and goes, you need to lock that shit down, which is the same thing.
[SPEAKER_07]: The commander says the Hudson when he's like, how do I get off of this bullshit assign?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you better lock that shit down.
[SPEAKER_07]: So that was carried over.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I like that there was sort of an homage to Alien Three in this where you're seeing the Alien's viewpoint as it's like running through the hallways, which is what they did in the third one to give the like dog Xenomorph point of view and they took that in here.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I like that there.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're paying homage to what came before.
[SPEAKER_02]: love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did do a really good job of that, like just evoking the original.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And not like hammering us over the head with it.
[SPEAKER_07]: They did also have the blue lights over the eggs, which they trip and then they start to open.
[SPEAKER_07]: But again, who's setting these blue lights up over the eggs?
[SPEAKER_03]: The eggs must have been because I was like, oh, is there a queen?
[SPEAKER_03]: But I guess the crew picked up the eggs from somewhere, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they must have.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: It assumes.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then put a blue light over them, which somehow prevents them from opening.
[SPEAKER_07]: We had to remember that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: It could be useful.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: How about you guys?
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you got for notes?
[SPEAKER_03]: The look and feel I mentioned it's beautiful, but Holly wanted
[SPEAKER_03]: We said this when we covered alien, but in case people didn't hear that, you know, he said that this series will take into account the first two alien movies and won't incorporate elements from the prequel movies, Prometheus or alien covenant.
[SPEAKER_03]: which retcon the origin of the Xenomorphs.
[SPEAKER_03]: But Hollywood's Xenomorphs to be the products of millions of years of evolution, rather than this bio-weapon created, quote, a half hour ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he likes the retrofuturistic aesthetic of the first two movies, as you can see from this show.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he thought it was weird that in the prequel one's son Lee, they had holograms in the text list, looked way more advanced.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I love the look and feel of this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's
[SPEAKER_03]: Fargo's great legions amazing in that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is probably the best.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, but the retrofusture sick look is beautiful.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I loved even that they had touch screens, but they look retro like the image warps as you poke it touch it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that was really cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the he has Jeff Russo doing the music, which he had in Fargo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's great too.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's a lot of good sound in it as well.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, just like high pitch squealy things like when you're listening to it, you're like, what even is that?
[SPEAKER_07]: And how did somebody think of it here?
[SPEAKER_07]: And it's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: We were just, we're just now in our walking dead rewatch over on my other podcast, the cast of us getting to some of the best episodes of the walking dead season for finale and season five premiere.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was known to sing that, I was, I was kept wanting to say, yeah, the music and this is great, but that's not accurate.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the sound design because there's just sounds that trigger emotions that really complement things well and elevate it, you know, make it creepier and stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: other notes what if a face hugger implanted a synthetic you think that that would work is not biological but I I wonder if we'll have something like that in this series yeah seems like maybe nothing would happen because it I feel like it's eating something in there to grow maybe but it's so adaptable so I think it's gonna totally work yeah it comes out part because we know that there are
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I guess, is that a cyborg?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or is it with the sense that there, it's like white, the white fluid instead of that's the essence?
[SPEAKER_03]: And a couple more notes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I said before, I was kind of surprised that it was less about the Zeno morphs than I thought it would be.
[SPEAKER_03]: Although there was definitely more of it in the second episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I wonder since it's about
[SPEAKER_03]: Darwinian dominance survival that maybe the xenomorph morph will become more central as it proves to be more dominant or something like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and as a multiplies, which is where strength kind of comes from.
[SPEAKER_03]: Could be, but I still do wonder like how are they going to make a whole series out of this will where will the xenomorph be that whole time?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it going to be wandering around the city?
[SPEAKER_03]: Where's it going to be right?
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm just going to wash.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to be like in bars.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to be like in bars.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to be like in bars.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just going to be like in bars.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm just going to be like in bars.
[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody's handing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: What would it?
[SPEAKER_03]: What would it see in a more like a rat or something clown instead of a necklace?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then last my last note, if this goes on for multiple seasons, Tim, all of it is going to have to keep fit because he's going to look like a sin that never he does.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh God.
[SPEAKER_03]: What else?
[SPEAKER_03]: Kara got anything else?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh gosh, the first note that I took was another orange cat except this time it's Malikai.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope it lives.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just saw that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, nope, never mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that thing, so that eyeball.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess what it does is it just burrows into your skull and takes control of your body.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're in places your eyes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because it's like nerve endings for something because it was meowing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the cat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was being able.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: Unearthly sound.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was very unsettling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very cordrecept.
[SPEAKER_03]: See.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I bet it could do the same thing to you, but in that way, we do see that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know if it's like a reveal where you're like, hey, man, like you, I don't know, somebody does something weird and then they turn around and their eye crawls out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, especially because it looks like an eyeball.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, like a human eyeball, which is interesting that it evolves.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't be sad if there was continued Peter Pan imagery throughout the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: That it felt, I mean, it made it feel almost more ominous because Peter Pan is, you know, known for whimsy and the idea of never growing up is seen as something more pure.
[SPEAKER_02]: with Peter Pan, and it is definitely the opposite in this universe.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that, I just, I know they were kind of hitting us over the head with the Peter Pan that I hope it continues.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like in Peter Pan, Wendy is asked to be the lost boys mother in this, the Dame asks her to be their big sister.
[SPEAKER_07]: and they all have the the names as well.
[SPEAKER_07]: But I think Peter Pan has like the original has a darker tone to it.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's something a little more like Peter Pan is sort of taking children as opposed to just have a love version.
[SPEAKER_07]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think that's kind of what's happening.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: very much.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's that control.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, in the fact that they're almost, they're wearing these adult bodies almost as costume.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's just so weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's bizarre.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But in it, it also made me think of, I mean, like you kind of mentioned, I think it was you Jason that said earlier, the
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, experiments being done on a more vulnerable population that's kind of desperately needing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you have chronically ill children, but it made me think of, you know, this is kind of exploitative, especially when they sent them into this rescue mission, even though they're kind of superheroes at the same time, it is
[SPEAKER_02]: like their consciousness, their children.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think about, you know, different countries where you got children forced to work in factories or child soldiers and all the different real world implications that
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this type of commentary has and I just, I'm very excited to see how they go about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that they look like capable adults, they look like they're grownups and they are absolutely not.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be an interesting thing to play with.
[SPEAKER_03]: One thing I like is that it feels like it could go a lot of different ways.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we're not sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lots of potential.
[SPEAKER_07]: As a trillionaire, I'll defend the corporations here to be fair.
[SPEAKER_07]: They didn't know there were xenomorphs.
[SPEAKER_07]: They just thought they were going to rescue a structural issue and it's a search and rescue.
[SPEAKER_07]: So you can you can send kids into that as long as you may not know.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, profit profit profit profit profit.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's get into a little bit of news.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just have some quotes from a couple of interviews with Nohali.
[SPEAKER_03]: The first one is from the Hollywood Reporter.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll read from the article.
[SPEAKER_03]: It says in the first two episodes alone, which debuted Tuesday, August.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Alien Earth introduced a bevy of unique monstrosities, including but not limited to a tentacle eyeball and a nest of extraterrestrial flies.
[SPEAKER_03]: An alien television show featuring nothing more than the Coca-Cola classic Alien could have survived.
[SPEAKER_03]: So why are the extra bells and whistles?
[SPEAKER_03]: Holly offers a simple explanation.
[SPEAKER_03]: He wanted the viewers to feel the same way he did when he watched Ridley Scott's Alien for the very first time and the only way to do that new aliens.
[SPEAKER_03]: My job in reinventing these classic films is to figure out what are the series of feelings that the original makes me feel and then how do I make you feel those same feelings?
[SPEAKER_03]: The reality is I cannot make you feel the life cycle of this creature for the first time again because you know it so well.
[SPEAKER_03]: The evolution that it's really four monsters and one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what it means by that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's a parasite.
[SPEAKER_03]: Every step of the way is worse than the last.
[SPEAKER_03]: The only way to make you feel that terrible discovery is to add new creatures.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't know how they reproduce or what they eat.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you get this dread that comes every time they're on screen when you're like, I know something's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what's going to be.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then when it happens, it's worse than you could have imagined.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think what is saying that the four monsters in one is its evolution cycle would be my guess.
[SPEAKER_07]: That turns I know like that, but yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a chasper.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the next one parades interviewed Noah Holley.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a few more that I thought were interesting here.
[SPEAKER_03]: They said, what was your starting point for an alien show?
[SPEAKER_03]: He says, well, what I latched on to first with the idea of humanity trapped between the monsters of our past, when we were food, and then the monsters that we've created with technology.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's reflected in the first film when Ian Holmes revealed to be a synthetic and Android.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that was a really fascinating theme to tell stories around.
[SPEAKER_03]: If it had just been a monster movie, I don't think there would have been enough to build ten, twenty, fifty hours of story around.
[SPEAKER_03]: But because there is a larger question about humanity and the sort of challenges we face trapped between nature and technology, that seemed like something that I could really sing my teeth into.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's where I started.
[SPEAKER_03]: He said, so much of your work is the way you portray humanity.
[SPEAKER_03]: In this show, you tell the story by centering children.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can you talk about that choice?
[SPEAKER_03]: He said, the request was to make an alien show set on Earth.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so my first thought was, well, what is Earth in whatever period of time we're telling the story, which ended up being about a hundred years into the future?
[SPEAKER_03]: Earth is not an abstract idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a geopolitical entity where the oceans have probably risen, and the planet has heated up.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so what is Earth?
[SPEAKER_03]: How do we place our story in a moment in history that is easy for an audience to understand?
[SPEAKER_03]: And so for whatever reason I thought back to the turn of the century by which I mean, hundreds of America, where we had Tesla, a Westing House, and Edison, these inventors were competing over who would get control of electricity.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I thought, well, if we're telling the story about humanity and technology and we're in this next big war for technology, then let's make that technology in the moment be what is going to extend our life.
[SPEAKER_03]: lives, or be our next step of evolution.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it is a neural link in addition to our biology that will take us to the next step of evolution.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it AI coming to replace us?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or is it transhumanism or human consciousness downloaded into synthetic bodies?
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that was something really rich to explore.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then my mind working the way it works had the next thought of what if adults my adults might as are too fixed and they can't make the journey yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they start with children.
[SPEAKER_03]: That kind of got me into this Peter Pan narrative because I thought, well, if we want to talk about humanity and whether it survives, who's more human than a child that is sort of like concentrated human.
[SPEAKER_03]: They haven't been socialized to hate.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't know how to pretend they're not scared.
[SPEAKER_03]: They seem like the best ambassadors of humanity.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's a good point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Within the show too, because they are children and adult bodies, they sort of allow us to get past some of the cliches of television where we, uh, Joe finds out that's his sister immediately because another kid can't keep us in prison.
[SPEAKER_06]: That was such a joke.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's your sister.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, rather than like, like, well, you weren't telling.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Rather than holding on to it for, like, six episodes or just, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That guy was so funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: First, she's like, yeah, it's a secret, but my brother's down there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the soldier comes up and she's in the guy's like, her brother's down there.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a doctor.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's your sister.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's so cute.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: They said, you have such a brilliant cast on the show, including Sydney Chandler and Timothy Olfant.
[SPEAKER_03]: What did they bring to the show that you were expecting?
[SPEAKER_03]: He was like, me, not much.
[SPEAKER_03]: He said, creating shows a collaboration and he can't be a control freak about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: The biggest part of the job is to cast it right.
[SPEAKER_03]: If he casts Sydney and he casts Tim, then you just have to try to get out of the way and let them do their thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Different actors want different things.
[SPEAKER_03]: Tim doesn't want to have long conversations about the nature of the character.
[SPEAKER_03]: He jokes quite modestly that all he does is save the lines out loud.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sydney, Sydney, on the other hand, really wanted to dive in on Wendy and know as much as she could.
[SPEAKER_03]: She wanted to figure out her backstory and was very anchored in her relationship with Alex Lothor, who plays her brother.
[SPEAKER_03]: What she brought was that she took it seriously.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, unlike Timothy.
[SPEAKER_03]: The mission of being a child in an adult's body, she really dove deep as to the other actors who were playing actors in adult bodies.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they found a different child, which was really, they all found a different child, which was really great.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: They said, is there a piece of the show that hasn't really come up in some of your other interviews so far?
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe something that you would say has gone unnoticed.
[SPEAKER_03]: He said, there was something I was trying to build into the design of the world that didn't really translate overtly.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had this idea that the prodigy corporation had three tiers of humanity.
[SPEAKER_03]: They had, quote, humanity plus, humanity prime, and humanity minus.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was the idea that the higher up you go into the building, the more affluent you become.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the lower you go, the poorer you become.
[SPEAKER_03]: The idea that humanity has been organized literally on people's value.
[SPEAKER_03]: We talked about designing that into the show and we just didn't spend enough time in the city in the way that we normally spent.
[SPEAKER_03]: That idea of class warfare and the individuals placed in the corporate world is very much a part of the first two films between the space truckers and the grunts.
[SPEAKER_03]: So even though we spent a lot of time at headquarters with the actual boss, it was important for me to showcase that there was a class struggle going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: which is a good point like the movies they show more the blue collar and they just the faceless corporation from the most part I mean there's representatives here there but we're really getting into the like the trillion air CEO here and these like aristocrats that got totally destiny by the alien because they think they're invulnerable
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think they also mentioned that building that they go into is sixty stories, but it's forty up twenty down.
[SPEAKER_07]: So twenty underground stories, which sort of implies there are a bunch of people who are being forced to be subterranean, basically.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's wild.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that's it for the news.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get in some list of feedback for anyone new to our podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: We do these list of feedback segments just to, you know, kind of mix it up with you guys see what you're thinking and feeling.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes people just say, hi, I loved it, but sometimes they have all these crazy wild thoughts that make us think about it in a different way and it really adds to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you have some crazy wild thoughts or you just want to say what you think, then yeah, send us a text or a, or a voice message.
[SPEAKER_07]: and they're actually listener transmissions, Jason, because we're covered in alien.
[SPEAKER_07]: So...
[SPEAKER_07]: All right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Randy, would you like to go first?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: You Tony zero zero one zero says I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lisa Moreno said yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so excited.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lots of exclamation points.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's a huge fan.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jason Dilarenta says it's a great show.
[SPEAKER_03]: OMG.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so excited.
[SPEAKER_03]: People are seem excited.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: James Allen Lafferty says, watch the first episode.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's pretty decent.
[SPEAKER_02]: More balanced there.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Laurie Mallory said the first episode was just okay for me, but getting hooked, watching the second episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could see that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, that one had a lot more alien action.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I bet you some people, I don't know if Laurie's like this, but
[SPEAKER_03]: Aren't as into all the cerebral stuff, and they just want the horror thrill.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see you know, so hopefully there's enough.
[SPEAKER_07]: I do said I've had to sort of recalibrate my mind.
[SPEAKER_07]: On the second watch, I really liked it more knowing.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's not necessarily like an alien slasher film.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's the more to do with the people and the synthetics.
[SPEAKER_07]: And on second viewing, having that expectation, I enjoyed it so much more.
[SPEAKER_07]: So maybe give it a second try if you've got some free time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Pretty much the same for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I already liked it, but I think I definitely liked it more on second viewing and it's more fun to podcast about like I just had a blast talking with you guys about all that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you know, totally.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a little bit of nerding out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, the touch.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's what we do.
[SPEAKER_03]: Renee Murray says, why do they keep showing the preview for the conjuring?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm home alone and I'm already scared.
[SPEAKER_03]: What the hell are you?
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a really ultimate to that, too.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, don't worry Renee, because coming this weekend, the conjuring's gonna be on a podcast near you.
[SPEAKER_07]: Coming through your headphones.
[SPEAKER_07]: You can't escape it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Adam Buckley says, just watched the first episode and wow, what a great start.
[SPEAKER_07]: I thought it would be a slow start, but bang.
[SPEAKER_07]: They are there.
[SPEAKER_07]: Off to watch episode two.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh my god, episode two.
[SPEAKER_07]: When the alien went for the brother, I was on the edge of my sea.
[SPEAKER_07]: Ah, can you hear the alien?
[SPEAKER_07]: LOL, the eyeball alien was so freaking cool.
[SPEAKER_07]: So much to talk about in episode two.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Penny Lynick said, I probably shouldn't watch this before the bed.
[SPEAKER_03]: I bet she didn't watch, but maybe she asked by now.
[SPEAKER_03]: How many contraris says, I don't know about the rest of y'all, but I thought this first episode was amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now first, I was not digging the violent flashes of the crew dying, but as the episode continued, I changed my mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was actually really effective and not showing us too much because it amped up the horrific anxious feeling that comes with this franchise.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, totally.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ooh, follow those flashes we're terrifying.
[SPEAKER_03]: So prodigy is another company.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm guessing that they're in competition with the wailing utani.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do y'all think?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's five corporations that rule the universe, that they seem to own the whole Earth, they own it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Wayland owns the Americas, Mars, and Saturn, dynamic owns the moon, and prodigy has the Neverland Island, a new Sam, and then there's two other companies lynching threshold, and I don't think we know what they are.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we don't know much about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't think those are even mentioned in the episodes, but yeah, that they're in some other media or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: She continues.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, so far, this series is off to a fantastic start.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure glad they don't show completely the xenomorph attacks.
[SPEAKER_03]: The aftermath is bad enough.
[SPEAKER_03]: The neverland synth kids are so endearing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they are endearing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they were a good light compliment to the darkness.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got it, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm actually hoping that they get more dark as a good one.
[SPEAKER_03]: When the white hair dude can't remember his name, that's Kersh, said, quit acting like kids.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they are kids mentally.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I love how because of their childlike mentality, they're really scared over what they're finding on that ship.
[SPEAKER_03]: And who else was yelling at the TV when Joe got his face so close to the alienate.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hello, and the kid in the background.
[SPEAKER_03]: They look like eggs.
[SPEAKER_03]: I watch the least twice and I sure am loving it so far.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't wait to hear y'all's thoughts.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like the stranger thing, kids.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's a new element, really.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I guess we had nude, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It feels new.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, new.
[SPEAKER_03]: So here's a call from Archmeister Annie.
[SPEAKER_00]: My first impression is that there is more than the alien franchise at work here.
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems to be that it's as much blade runner as it is alien with this cyborgs, the hybrids and the synthetics.
[SPEAKER_00]: and the thru line that goes through both of these first two episodes of the question of what is human, what is inhuman?
[SPEAKER_00]: The synthetic played by Timothy Olothent, I can't remember his name, the character name, talks about to the, to the lost boys, you're not animals anymore, but is it possible to be a human if you're not an animal,
[SPEAKER_00]: The scientist who works with boy Cavalier talks about that when you doesn't have hormones anymore and they're trying to mimic that process as she grows up to give her a synthetic adolescence because that's an inherently human
[SPEAKER_00]: experience to go through that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So those are all things that come more from the Blade Runner franchise than the Alien franchise, fascinating.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also the Asian city scape, also Blade Runnerish.
[SPEAKER_00]: So interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: But of course, there's also an Alien and all those other aliens as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's Alien A and all the things.
[SPEAKER_00]: The, um, magna is an exact replica of the Nostromo.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so interesting to be back in those familiar haunted corridors.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the thing I'm most intrigued by is that Wendy seems to be able to hear the alien very curious about where they're going with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, we didn't talk about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: What is up with that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it seemed like that's what we don't know for sure, but there was like a buzzing that she heard.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like reminded me of the force or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a presence.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I didn't realize the magic know was an exact replica of the instrument.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think inside, yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's like the the mesh hall that they're the mess hall that they're sitting at and all the white corridors are all very, very similar.
[SPEAKER_07]: If not the exact spot on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I just thought, oh, it has the same aesthetic, but it's apparently the same, like classical or fast produced.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: And about the, so the Blade Runner and stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I totally agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they sort of, they had these synths always, but they didn't really explore it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now they are.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think explored it a little bit more in Alien Covenant with Fast Bender.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Rita Catanella Orrell says, I really like the premise of having synths with child minds.
[SPEAKER_07]: The adult actors are so adorable when they're acting like kids.
[SPEAKER_07]: You develop a real attachment to these characters super fast.
[SPEAKER_07]: I screamed when the aliens started to crawl off the large black sculpture.
[SPEAKER_07]: Is it just me or is this alien particularly vicious?
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm a little confused about how many aliens we're dealing with.
[SPEAKER_07]: Is there more than one adult?
[SPEAKER_07]: How many face huggers are loops?
[SPEAKER_07]: Can anyone tell me where this falls within the timeline of Prometheus and other movies?
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's stop there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's only one xenomorph.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's only one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if any face huggers are loose.
[SPEAKER_03]: We haven't seen for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've only seen
[SPEAKER_03]: The dust is the dead ones.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, which doesn't apply that there could be more aliens that we haven't seen yet could there be a portable dead face auger's right by pretty sure we've only seen one so far.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, in the timeline
[SPEAKER_02]: question, if you're curious, I pulled up the timeline.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just so for me, theus technically first in twenty ninety three, then in twenty one oh four, there's alien covenant, then now in this show in twenty one twenty, that's where we are.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it's alien, alien, romulus, aliens, alien three, and alien resurrection.
[SPEAKER_03]: But as I, I really think Noah Halley is ignoring everything except for the first two movies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems to be, which I'm okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Maybe, maybe Aliens versus Predators.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's probably still including that.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's probably still a monster piece.
[SPEAKER_03]: And also Annie I heard us in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So come on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: But uh, I was actually building up a spaceship hit.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's pretty sad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Pretty sad.
[SPEAKER_03]: But, yeah, I mean, the main reason why is because in Covenant and Prometheus, they gave an origin for the Xenomorphs, and I think they said they were human created, right, or engineer created, engineer created, but they don't want that origin.
[SPEAKER_03]: He wants them to have developed over millions of years.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're a little more organic.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I like that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Read a continues.
[SPEAKER_07]: Overall, I really like the first two episodes.
[SPEAKER_07]: My only complaint is that in the first ten to fifteen minutes, I didn't like the editing style.
[SPEAKER_07]: The quick flash is showing the crew being attacked.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I think it might have been a better start with the Android ceiling himself in that control room.
[SPEAKER_07]: Perhaps because it's a TV show and not a movie, they had to do a little more explaining.
[SPEAKER_07]: Did anyone else think the woman banging on the glass to get into the control room wasn't remotely terrified and not kind of at the point.
[SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't seem pissed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's like come on man.
[SPEAKER_07]: Really unlock the door locked me out again.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's an alien out here.
[SPEAKER_07]: True.
[SPEAKER_07]: I was so excited to see Timothy Oliphant and the manifesto guy from Andor.
[SPEAKER_07]: Wendy is a very endearing character.
[SPEAKER_07]: I already think I'm going to get an action figure for when with her machete on her back.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, that's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: The action figure of this will be amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Matt King said, so there are five corporations fighting for control.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wayland, Utahny, who controlled the Americas, Mars and Saturn.
[SPEAKER_02]: A new corporation, prodigy, led by a young Trillionaire boy Cavalier, who are since and working on creating hybrids, plus three others, not yet revealed.
[SPEAKER_02]: The why you
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and you, Donnie, US CSS, Magino, named after the failed World War II, French defensive line of fortifications is a scientific ship with some scary-looking samples on board.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're mainly human, including a cyborg with attitude.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good way to put it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maro, who, after an alien escape, seals himself off as the ship heads for collision with Earth.
[SPEAKER_02]: They crash on prodigy at News I am, and on prodigy, the first human consciousness is uploaded to a synth body.
[SPEAKER_02]: We later see the former child's body sealed up in a body bag while the new hybrid is super strong in athletic.
[SPEAKER_02]: They kind of creepily do the transfer while watching the animated Peter Pan from Disney.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the first takes the name Wendy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So eventually, Wendy sees on the screen the aftermath of the Majino's crash in prodigy and sees that her brother, a medic is there.
[SPEAKER_02]: He thinks Wendy is dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Wendy per se persuades Cavalier and Timothy Olifon's character to let the hybrids help the surgeon rescue.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they head off to the crash site while the regular search and rescue team have already started.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not realizing there are a series of horrific aliens lying in weight.
[SPEAKER_02]: We find the Cyborg Marl survived and captures two rescuers leaving them tied up.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is not a nice Cyborg at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is not nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: He contacts mother, the ship computer, question mark.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you're correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically the operating system.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like Siri in the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and says most of the samples are fine, but he will hunt down the escapees.
[SPEAKER_02]: Overall, really enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some interesting scenes with the Magino crew before the alien killed them all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Many humans had been lost capturing them, so the corporation could put more crap in their breakfast cereal or words to that effect.
[SPEAKER_02]: surprise to see Adrian Edmondson appear as Cavaliers right hand man more used to seeing him in classic comedy like the young ones and bottom stand out for me was windy with the child's mind in the athletic body she is clearly going to be the star of the series especially as she is looking for her brother guard the omelette let's help the series continues at this stand here very nice yes definitely
[SPEAKER_03]: Doubling about grippy says, very, very rarely do I start watching something and absolutely falling in love with the world building with this I did after about two minutes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even the first time they sit around the table, I could almost see who they were supposed to look like from the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there was a like a tool song in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's in the nineties.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it does make us wonder if like there's a feeling to nostalgia from thirty years ago the same way like alien resurrection was appealing to like thirty years before it
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he did that in, uh, Legion a lot to sticks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Popular songs in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of holly style to try to fit the tone if not the time period.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you have some futuristic rock bands who ever said slow burn doesn't, doesn't appreciate the time it takes to build a world and explore it in detail.
[SPEAKER_03]: and then we've the story in and out and around that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just a little iffy on the idea that the world youngest trillionaire is a character, young, too close to current day things and or too tongue-in-cheek.
[SPEAKER_03]: Seems extremely unoriginal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they might as well give him a facial scar and a cat in his romper like a bonvillin.
[SPEAKER_03]: Needless to say, I hooked, I'm hooked and all in.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the way I see that is he's just thinking about the issues of the day and extrapolating out to how they could
[SPEAKER_03]: go in the extreme and man you think it's a horror movie but it seems fairly realistic to me that
[SPEAKER_03]: if they could do this, they would.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: He goes, I just wonder if it's going to be like Westworld season one where the more episodes you watch, the less you realize they told you earlier on when you thought you knew what to expect.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm not sure what that means, but I think I get what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_07]: We're going to have to get a few more episodes to understand.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I understand.
[SPEAKER_03]: All of it looks a little ridiculous with white hair and white eyebrows.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was gay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now on to episode two, well, I can tell you the worst part, her Wendy's partner.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Wendy's partner.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess the kid that I equate him to need this comic relief.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't keep a secret.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that his name?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it might be.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Kent keep a secret and says dumb stuff out of place character leaves stupid side kicks out of this, especially if they're unable to die.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a kid.
[SPEAKER_07]: Andy might be able to die.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, we don't know yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love how our sword magically sticks to her back.
[SPEAKER_03]: How did it stick to her back?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, must magnetic because I mean, she's able to touch the computer screens and do stuff.
[SPEAKER_07]: So there's gotta be some sort of transfer of energy.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's a magnet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Was anyone else waiting for a super jump?
[SPEAKER_03]: They showed her jumping down six hundred feet in landing perfectly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, why not show her jumping up?
[SPEAKER_03]: She had stairs to climb.
[SPEAKER_03]: I knew that hallway statue would come into play.
[SPEAKER_03]: Love the costume party slaughter.
[SPEAKER_03]: I also very much appreciate that they're showing the gore faces pierced by alien jaws, for example.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just like Ash vs Evil Dead, I want the gore and the creators to have free reign was said gore.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just episode two, and I'm already growing tired of the twentieth century references.
[SPEAKER_03]: Agatha Christie, Reggie Jackson, Madagascar.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope it doesn't turn into a nostalgia fest.
[SPEAKER_03]: La Nina Huxley of Demolition Man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just doesn't belong.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm all in for this show, seems to me like a world and canon with blue sky possibilities, where given the right story, tellers and showrunner anything can happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how I feel.
[SPEAKER_03]: Marvel, cluttered, even Star Wars, I'm waiting for an entry point that has blue sky possibilities.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can say right now, I want to see the Zeno more flourish.
[SPEAKER_03]: and absolutely infested conquer the earth and have that shown pretty please
[SPEAKER_07]: references said, but we want to get anything else.
[SPEAKER_07]: So you kind of have to.
[SPEAKER_07]: So yeah, that's just like that book by Blurx our Grubbins.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: You feel like what does that mean?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Remember that great ball players, our box?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's like grounding.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if you think about a super technologically advanced world, you're going to be looking for little connections.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also I wonder now because we were having more and more years go by with all this
[SPEAKER_03]: culture that's video and digital and audio and saved up.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I wonder if we'll see history differently as we go forward than we did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like when I was a kid, we didn't have as much of that kind of a thing saved up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like people could always watch friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was some, wasn't there some post-apocalyptic?
[SPEAKER_02]: movie or TV show where they popped in a friend's DVD and a bunker or something.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's gonna bug me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know it's something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Works.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got a couple of calls from Steve Brown.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't know our podcast, he will traditionally call in to do what's called the live Steve or he kind of just reacts in the moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he did both episodes.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's his live Steve for episode one.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hello again, Waxxops episodic.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is Steve.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, very nice.
[SPEAKER_04]: The green letters giving us the preamble of the episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ooh, and it's a corporation's race to control the universe.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ooh, very alien one light beginning with the pods opening.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ooh, and they have face huggers.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it looks that they have more than just face huggers.
[SPEAKER_04]: They have other specimens.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the caption just read prodigy, neverland, whatever research island, neverland's the title of the episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: Not really a mic shop, because they haven't said it yet.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ooh, so the ball girl is human, but they're gonna put her consciousness into it synthetic.
[SPEAKER_04]: What?
[SPEAKER_04]: What happens to her human body then?
[SPEAKER_04]: Ooh!
[SPEAKER_04]: She just jumped off that cliff and landed on the sand.
[SPEAKER_04]: You guessed the synthetic body is a little better than human body.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so when she was dying and that's why they put her into this body.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I think he just said never land in this little siloque.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's monologue.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's giving reading out of this book.
[SPEAKER_04]: So there's the title of the episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: My job.
[SPEAKER_04]: Meanwhile, back on the specimen ship, something seems to have gone wrong.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I will read with on the screen that this guy is typing, but it's all very, very alien light, the technology.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, and this guy's got a welding hand.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he just let her give a tax by an alien.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: So now we meet Joe, the medic who apparently is
[SPEAKER_04]: Was Marcy slash Wendy's brother?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't this is I know I'm gonna have to listen to the podcast.
[SPEAKER_04]: You guys explain a lot of this Oh this ship is a wailin utony ship and it's gonna crash in a prodigy research island I guess it's a prodigy city right?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's new slam.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he said secure the dog not killed a dog.
[SPEAKER_04]: It sounded like that in first.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, and our cyborg man emerges from his whoon impact room
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, she wants to go help her brother, and she considers herself human.
[SPEAKER_04]: But this is great.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is exploring this character of what's her windy.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_04]: You just caught that ball that was thrown at her, like Gina Davis and lead her own.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ooh, and she's got weapons.
[SPEAKER_04]: Back on the crash ship, the tactical unit, which looks strangely like the colonial Marines, is doing their thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, what's this con worm that just crawled on this guy?
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll see what it is.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a striker.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's fine for it's there, but they do sit in more specimens than just the pacers.
[SPEAKER_04]: Our cyborg just got the drop on these two guys.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, excuses.
[SPEAKER_04]: But what's he going to do to him?
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, do you your cuff to a pipe?
[SPEAKER_04]: He's not going to let you go.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no survivors in the choir chambers and definitely somebody had something burst out of their chest.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that bug just crawled up his face.
[SPEAKER_04]: Timothy Olivand just looks so strange with that white hair and So Wendy is a is a hybrid does that mean that Timothy Olivand curse?
[SPEAKER_04]: I think is his name from the remote the post captioning says is he's a synth Okay, yeah, that's it for episode one.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll see if I get episode two done before you record
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, was it explicitly said that he was a synth?
[SPEAKER_03]: I just assumed tears.
[SPEAKER_03]: He might be human because the way he's talking about humans, it's as if he's not one.
[SPEAKER_03]: He says humans, they do this, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he's a wannabe synth.
[SPEAKER_07]: That could be our prejudices and our, you know, our, what's the word I'm looking for?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that could be our biases that we're applying to him and we need to be a little more open-minded about sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: I presume he's a synth.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll be shocked if he's not.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, here's Steve on episode two.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, hello again.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is Steven, this is gonna be for, I guess, Alien Earth season one episode two.
[SPEAKER_04]: Guess it's called Mr. October.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ooh, they are finding out a lot of dead bodies in here.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I thought her brother, I thought he was wearing a helmet, and he's not now.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love the, I got the Christie reference, even in a thousand years they still know who I got the Christie is.
[SPEAKER_04]: I guess a hundred years, not a thousand years.
[SPEAKER_04]: This boy, Cavalier, this chilling air.
[SPEAKER_04]: I wanna talk to somebody, smoothing me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ow, winning in her group.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, they're, you know,
[SPEAKER_04]: Their kid minds or kids, like he's in adult bodies, we'll see how it turns out.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, he just, the feeling is behind him and he, oh, whoo, he got the elevator though.
[SPEAKER_04]: Who that thing was fast.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, he's trying to resign talking to that robot and she just was able to manipulate and make it say face to your fury very well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Of course, his request to resign though was denied.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow, she just went through all those screens and found her brother.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, of course, the Tony wants to get into that ship because they need to get that alien out of there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Of course, Cavalier doesn't know it's on the ship, but he wants it anyway.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm assuming the Tony knows about the alien, maybe.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Kersh and his group meet the first alien or an alien.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ooh, that cat does not look normal.
[SPEAKER_04]: Definitely not jump.
[SPEAKER_04]: The eyeballs can be like, okay, covered it with a box.
[SPEAKER_04]: But now what are you gonna do?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, these animals are definitely not like pets.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was a weird interaction with this dinner party that's going on here in this building.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Alien just got bargher filled.
[SPEAKER_04]: And now it's in the dinner party.
[SPEAKER_04]: Somebody just saved him, because that thing was going to kill Herman.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, the cyborg man.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the guy just shocks him to.
[SPEAKER_04]: Huh, and now he's consuming the alien and taking it somewhere.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, he's still holding it down under the cover.
[SPEAKER_04]: So he is in artificial curses in our official person.
[SPEAKER_04]: He just plugged that computer cord into his arm.
[SPEAKER_04]: How can they tell us guys right?
[SPEAKER_04]: From talking to him or hearing his voice and the aliens about to get out of that cocoon.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, this thing is opening up that the one guy's looking at and of course, Maro the alien didn't kill him.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why?
[SPEAKER_04]: It is pretty cool seeing the different alien species that they found and hermit just found a
[SPEAKER_04]: Baseball signed by Red Jackson.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, and Wendy just found her, but he's not gonna recognize you, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: He just said, Nistract over the title of the episode, Mike Drop.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, Kirch wants them to walk down the breed, not let him escape.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, the Indian guys just telling all the secrets about who they are.
[SPEAKER_04]: His name is Lightly, and he just told the secret.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's a lot to take in, Joe.
[SPEAKER_04]: Take your time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, but now he's questioning her and he's, oh, oh, and now we have eggs.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that means there's a queen somewhere laying eggs.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, and she's going after the alien took her brother.
[SPEAKER_07]: All right, and then he said, but yeah, we did not mention what the hat that dinner party was.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's just such a funny thing that they, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It reminded me of the capital in the hunger.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of, you know, pretentious heavily costumed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, if there's a problem, boy Cavalier will call you now ignoring the problems around them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think it's just based to represent the upper crust and the way you feel like they're immune, like I said to everything, but they're not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not to an alien.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, it's me again.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope you enjoyed that.
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