[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to the lore hounds where your guides to xenomorphically induced terror I'm your host David and this is our coverage of alien earth season one episode one never land
[SPEAKER_04]: Given that we're running multiple shows right now on the lower-hounds, we're going to do Alien Earth Squadron style, and we have assembled a badass international crew of podcasters to join me.
[SPEAKER_04]: John is finishing up foundation with Marilyn, Alicia is starting up peacemaker with Jean and Erin, so each week we're going to have different sets of co-hosts joining me.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Michael hosts today are Alicia and Luke representing the wool shift dust podcast.
[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome, Luke and Alicia.
[SPEAKER_04]: How you guys doing?
[SPEAKER_04]: Hello.
[SPEAKER_04]: Great.
[SPEAKER_04]: So just a little quick.
[SPEAKER_04]: Spoiler warning for all aliens ever.
[SPEAKER_04]: But there's no way we can talk about this show without talking about a lot of other stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: Episode two.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the way we're going to do episode two because it was a one to drop.
[SPEAKER_04]: Luke and Alicia are going to be joining me again for episode two and we're recording these back to back but as separate podcasts so that you know people are watching independently the episodes they can just enjoy one episode at a time without spoilers.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, and Alicia, you and I did a little bit of pre coverage.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you want to talk about that really quick?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we got together and we split that episode into.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the people who don't want spoilers, who just want an idea of what the show is about, yes, you can go in without having seen anything else.
[SPEAKER_02]: We talk about that and then we talked about the trailers that we had not seen the show yet at the time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we did some show set up as well, a little background on Noel Holly, so it was kind of a rich conversation about the context for the show as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, regarding the release, so this is dropping in the United States on Tuesdays because of our scheduling and working with all the different other co-hosts.
[SPEAKER_04]: The Fridays are seeming to be the best recording days.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I know a lot of other podcasts are able to get out their coverage a little sooner.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we're a little bit behind the curve, but I promise we'll do our best to make it worth your while with a little bit of extra detail and digging into some fun production stuff and that kind of
[SPEAKER_02]: So, detail on the lower-hounds?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jason, please.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, let's see.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So with all of that stuff out of the way, let's get right into our hot takes for the episode, Luke, you know what?
[SPEAKER_04]: Luke, I don't even know what's your position towards Alien and the movies?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like you were the first of all of our affiliate friends and podcast neighbors and stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: You were the first one to email me and saying, yo, I'm in on the alien thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: What's going on?
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I first, so Alien is the very rare sci-fi property that I actually watched first time round in the proper order.
[SPEAKER_01]: Starting with Alien working through Alien's Alien-Three Requiem, because usually I'm terrible watching stuff out of order.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I remember watching Alien at the beer about fourteen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have never been more wigged out by a minute.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not before us.
[SPEAKER_01]: They, they, they, the chess burst a scene with John Hunt.
[SPEAKER_01]: I literally literally screamed at that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, I remember, I remember, as a fourteen year old, you got to remember, I remember going to bed the evening after a watch it and leaving the light on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was, that was how we knew I was playing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, to say, there's a great making off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, documentary.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can find it on YouTube.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll try and find the link and put it in the show notes, but it's really Scott talking about watching the check the Texas chainsaw massacre, uh-huh, as like inspiration for Alien, and he says the from the first shot of that film, you are uneasy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of my
[SPEAKER_01]: because I was watching Ali in the other day in preparation, this podcast, and even now even I've watched it dozens of times when the first frame of that film to the last, you are uneasy.
[SPEAKER_04]: And especially when Ripley is even the final shot as we fade into the credits, I'm always uneasy right until the first credit rolls.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, I also like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Because my, my, my idea always for ADN three was you see Ripley and Nute in a shopping center, a mall somewhere, and all of a sudden somebody collapses, and they alien burst out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: The idea of aliens on earth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just find like a really, yes, I want to, I want to, I'm in on that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That actually.
[SPEAKER_04]: So what did you make of episode one?
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_01]: It kind of goes without saying, but it is worth saying, and the thing involved with involving Ridley Scott looks amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the quality of the production design.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the similar, obviously, they've got between the Maserino and the Nostromo set.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was reading an interview with Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott the other day and Ridley Scott, you know, the way they were on a piece of media together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, they weren't on a piece of media.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a written interview.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ray, but it was, yeah, that's interesting.
[SPEAKER_04]: I definitely want to get that because I've not seen anything where I think both of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was, I think it was, I think it was indie wire.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll take a look.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, it's a really short story.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just walked across that one day and went fuck me.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my set.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I don't know whether I'm allowed to swear.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're allowed to swear.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's totally fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, I think I heard that quoted somewhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: I forget where, but like, yeah, yeah, someone was talking about that interview on a YouTube video or something.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I have to check that out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: Any other thoughts?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, really like the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I kind of like this, well, well, obviously talk about it when we get that, but I kind of like this episode more than I like to episode two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have issues with episode two, but um, I really like this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the idea of the hybrid.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's, it's, it's really interesting addition to the law.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am kind of disappointed that they seem to be ignoring, from ethius and covenant, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's a very device to film, but I'm a huge, for me, see a stat.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll get to have one on his podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will die on that particular hill.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm rather... I'm a bit... Yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: They seem to be completely ignoring, for me, see this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Intentionally so Noah Hall you said, you know, he's using them intentionally.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, at least you were saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't say I apologize Luke if you saw my recent rankings on Blue Sky.
[SPEAKER_02]: I acknowledge I'm probably in the minority.
[SPEAKER_02]: I rank resurrection relatively high.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, in that case, then we definitely do disagree.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I'm glad that you are standing for Prometheus because it is an important part of the community.
[SPEAKER_04]: A lot of people are, it's an important film for people.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I, you know, the, the funny thing too about those, I don't have a problem with the world building or the backstory stuff is just, there's some really bad characters and some more bad actors and stupid people doing stupid shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's my stupidity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's more true for Calvin and then for Prometheus.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wait.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll save that for this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Coming in for a meeting is a cage match podcast.
[SPEAKER_04]: Alicia Hot takes for episode one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I leading up to this over the last couple of weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did a total alien rewatch.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I reconfirms that my favorite to is alien the original, which is just like not just the originality of everything at the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, obviously it created the mold, but just the atmosphere and I love the pacing, I love the realism and intimacy and things like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then my second favorite remains alien Romulus.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and because alien Romulus, because of the character and the character relationships and how that's at the core.
[SPEAKER_02]: My biggest complaint with alien Romulus is that it's
[SPEAKER_02]: It leans a little too uncomfortably far into fan service.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the only thing that really takes away from it for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas with the original, sure, it feels maybe slightly dated.
[SPEAKER_02]: So so far, this alien show, it's like the best of both worlds.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I am going to call it best alien to date.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, two episodes and we still have this season to go, but these are the two I get to talk about.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see why you guys like the first one better.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have the same problems with the second.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about that when we get there, but the first one had some real well moments.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited to talk about now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I loved the first couple minutes where it was like really when those pot starts to open, you're like, wait am I watching the original?
[SPEAKER_01]: But did you not think in that when you having watched the trailer, did you not think in that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know you're all dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the ship crashes so I know this crew has been wiped out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, but I mean, yeah, I knew that they were all going to die.
[SPEAKER_02]: But still, you know, I knew that that wasn't the... I do think maybe we'll see more flashbacks that explain more about what happened on the ship.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think we might see more of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I wasn't bothered by the fact that I knew that they were all going to die.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just to say that I felt the homage to Ridley Scott throughout, I thought,
[SPEAKER_02]: It just looks absolutely fantastic that the way that the crash was filmed when Joe is entering the crash.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just the camera movements and the way they show the absolute scale of like you have this hooking smoking spaceship next to you and these tall buildings and the chaos of like the humans are like ants on the ground and you just
[SPEAKER_02]: feel all that and it really is, it feels real, it feels in captivating, but it's, you know, it's devastating, but it's beautiful at the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's, you know, Noah Hawley knows how to keep my eyes and my brain busy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure he'd be glad to hear that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that it raises really interesting questions about what it means to be human.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, that's always been a part of alien with the sensory lines and so I'm really glad to see them expanding upon that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad to see them expanding upon the creatures.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad, I don't know, it is interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you were asking about knowing that they're all going to die when it opened Luke.
[SPEAKER_02]: We also know like we know there's these five corporations and we know which corporation we're going to be hearing about the most in the future and that doesn't take away anything for me because I think it's going to be interesting to watch the journey and also it feels like maybe we only heard about that corporation because they're the ones in charge of the Americas.
[SPEAKER_02]: and so we are always having that perspective.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now this opens up a room to tell more stories from different parts of the world, different perspectives.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although it's interesting that the one set in Asia is still run by white dude, but whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sydney Chandler, as Wendy's as well, obviously we'll catch over her.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, just in general, they got me invested in the characters as a large cast, but I still like I either care about them or hate them very quickly in a single episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really a master level difficulty.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, finally, protect NEMIC at all costs.
[SPEAKER_04]: There enough.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think the FX has got to hit on its hands despite some little things here or there that we could argue with.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I have no doubt that they're going to announce season two for maximal impact, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: They're going to, FX is going to pick their moment and then you're going to say, we greenlit, you know, you guys made a post at whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're going to use, you know, maximum fan engagement to hype for season two.
[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, in our preview, we talked a little bit about what the future plans are.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, Holly has been quoted as saying he doesn't have any plans post season one other than that he has a five story five season arc in his in the back of his mind.
[SPEAKER_04]: The folks at FX have been KG will see how it goes that kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I really think that FX is doing pretty well with prestige television as well because like they're going to be running out show gun now and that's going to be a major property for them along
[SPEAKER_04]: with this and the bear, and all of the other shows that they have, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a whole bunch of other shows at different scales, and so I'm just really glad to see FX.
[SPEAKER_04]: focusing on production and not worrying about streaming.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're like, I don't we don't care where it goes.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, somebody else make the deal.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're just going to make cool television that gets out into the world and I appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, yes, I just say I appreciate that they give their creatives the room to realize their visions and that's why they're show stand out as, you know, a singular and not watered down corporate muck.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they work with the creatives to shape and edit and enhance the show.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, rather than front loading it or cutting it out from underneath them after the fact.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, it feels like a real creative collaboration.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's great.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, boy, a lot of mixed feelings coming into episode one season one.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you know, aliens, eighty six is my movie, but that and I've talked about this a bunch on previous pods hit me at a particular time in my life.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was the perfect movie going back and seeing alien cinematic masterpiece.
[SPEAKER_04]: Everything else we can have conversations about some more fun than the not.
[SPEAKER_04]: But there's a lot of emotion behind coming into this show.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's high stakes, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, Holly.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he had a lot of work to do.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the writers had a lot of work to do to match our expectations.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I think you've both pointed out that vibe of Alien.
[SPEAKER_04]: And a little bit of here and there of Aliens is in this world.
[SPEAKER_04]: Visually, we're seeing it without retraining.
[SPEAKER_04]: But then he's got the difficult challenge of taking two hours, you know, whatever screen length, you know, whatever director cut, you want of a movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's got six more hours of story that he has to frame.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's different.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a different spacing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a different structure.
[SPEAKER_02]: That he gets to frame.
[SPEAKER_04]: He gets to, but I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, I would also, you know, as Luke said that he's a Prometheus defender and I just came out for Covenant, I do think that our elements of these and they're just in the corporation marble palace aspects.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_04]: And even though Noah Holly has said there, he's not using those directly, I think, I think that there is a story stuff in there that he's definitely, you can't, he can't, it's part of the context, it's just part of the, it's in the ingredients of the alien world that can't get away from.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I mean, I think the level of difficulty is super high, high stakes high reward.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think he's, I think he's, I think he met the moment.
[SPEAKER_04]: We can quibble on some things, but I think overall he's met the moment.
[SPEAKER_04]: The editing,
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like he's matching Ridley Scott's Alien, in the cross-desolves and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: But then he's doing stuff on his own, which was very, I was thinking of you Alicia with Legion.
[SPEAKER_04]: These weird transpositions and overlays, and psyched almost quasi-psychedelic
[SPEAKER_04]: you know, mixing of reflections and stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's really, and little flashes and little cuttings, little flashbacks, little flash forwards.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we don't always know where we are in time, especially during the opening.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah, just on the macro scale, I think he's doing everything right, and I'm excited to see where the rest of the season goes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Again,
[SPEAKER_04]: This was, you know, whoever they decided to give the keys to the king, this kingdom to next following Romulus, whoever took that mantle up, whoever took that burden, could have horribly, horribly failed, and this is not a failure.
[SPEAKER_04]: Visually acting, character wise, there's just so much good in here that I just can't wait to see the show really get up and running.
[SPEAKER_04]: Luke, you got some thoughts.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you David after I've seen all that after I've seen all that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also like one thing I would say is I almost felt like the the margin was almost too similar to the Stromo because the Stromo looks that way because it's basically a big truck in space.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas we're led to believe that the match was like a top of the line research research but I don't think it is still like
[SPEAKER_02]: I think researchers today do not get top of the line trucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're making do, especially with with the recent cuts.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think that they this is their fanciest spaceship.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is the fact that it's a copy of the other one.
[SPEAKER_04]: We can have a whole separate podcast nerding out on all the details between the Romulus, Aestation, and the Nostromo, and the Slovako, and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that would be a fun podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not invested in the ship.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm the same in Star Wars.
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys can educate me on that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll just say that to me it makes sense that this would be like they just bought, you know, a ship from Boeing or Airbus, you know, and it's a copy-paste situation for the most part.
[SPEAKER_04]: We are going to, if there's anything else, we will take a quick break and then we're going to do a scene by scene breakdown.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've got a lot to cover this episode because we've got a lot of the world building and actor and character setups and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think episode two is probably going to go a little quicker because it's a little bit more action oriented and there's still a lot of interesting stuff to take on there.
[SPEAKER_04]: But we are so far starting out seen by seeing, I've even got a couple of audio clips.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we will be right back after this quick break.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we're back.
[SPEAKER_04]: So a couple of things to set up for our scene by scene breakdown is that obviously throughout the episodes.
[SPEAKER_04]: So far, one in two, Noah Hall is using a lot of unique editing techniques to set mood and to tell story.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, these soft dissolves, these mini montages, clips that are out of time.
[SPEAKER_04]: And sometimes that can be challenging for us podcasters to recap.
[SPEAKER_04]: So occasionally I'm gonna put some scenes together so that they're slightly out of order.
[SPEAKER_04]: Or, you know, we may not have something in the official description, but we'll have it in our discussion topic.
[SPEAKER_04]: because visually there's just so much going on.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like it's hard to encapsulate at times.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that said, this is episode one, Neverland.
[SPEAKER_04]: Written by Noel Holly, directed by Noel Holly, and it's got about an hour and four minute runtime.
[SPEAKER_04]: We open with the on-screen text setting up the three different kinds of technologies that create the dramatic stakes between the five major companies.
[SPEAKER_04]: There are cyborgs, synths, and now hybrids.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then we move to a montage of the alien typography phasing in, just like in the seventy-nine movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we see scenes of the U.S.
[SPEAKER_04]: C. S. S. Magino, near a ringed planetary body, LV-four, two, six question mark question mark question mark.
[SPEAKER_04]: We get some flashbacks from the original from the, that's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we get some flashback style cut-ins, you know, the body of the xenomorph, the ships, some face hugger stuff, and then we fly into the interior of the ship and then into the computer control room and then to the cargo old.
[SPEAKER_04]: So,
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's start talking about this opening.
[SPEAKER_04]: Luke, what did you think of how Noah Halley styled this and delivered this opening scene of a high-stakes season?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll get to that in a second, but do you guys think there's any beef and meaning in the shit being my marginal?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to explain?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you're the perfect person to talk about this because you're a military historian, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So the machine online is a series of fortified zones that are constructed along the Franco-German border between the first and second world wars.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was meant to make another German invasion of France impossibly bloody.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Germans just decided to attack through Belgium and Holland instead.
[SPEAKER_01]: So essentially, they went round the side of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the French, the French military spent the great part of its budget for twenty years constructing a series of fortifications that were useless essentially.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that's a little on the nose for saying you can't possibly contain all these extremely dangerous species, but I don't know what that is.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well done.
[SPEAKER_04]: It carries on the tradition of naming ships in some of the alien shows.
[SPEAKER_04]: We have the Nostromo which is a Joseph Conrad book and then the Slaco which was in the eighty-six movie and that's a town in a Joseph Conrad.
[SPEAKER_04]: story, and all of the names have extra meanings, and maybe we can talk about that later.
[SPEAKER_04]: I looked up some of that stuff, but I don't have a prepare, but I really do like to fact that not only paid homage to the tradition of naming ship, the way that ships are named in the alien world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I not?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, I can't.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I was just going to say there's something funny I noticed on my rewatch is that at one point when they're going to do, which is named Slightly's brain transfer, she's the, I forget that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, not the male.
[SPEAKER_02]: or sort of like, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was married to Dump Silver.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he, he's like, oh, I need to get started and she said, no, you're going to have to go round.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, the way they phrased it, I was like, that's a marginal line reference.
[SPEAKER_04]: You, that's so true.
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't even think about that.
[SPEAKER_04]: That is absolutely accurate.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's, I noticed that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's, that's really cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: So did you feel alien Luke when we when we open up?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, yeah, obviously you've got the the the crew coming out of the coming out of cryo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is basically beat for, I mean, I'm really glad that actually I watched aiding in like the day before the episode drops.
[SPEAKER_01]: You really do get a sense of how just beat for beats.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That scene is in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in a way it's
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't bother me that it's almost a straight lift from that sink, because it's reoclimatizing you too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, it's treating us visually.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even though you don't spend a lot of time with the crew, you do get a sense of who everybody is, and have this ship works.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, I think Noah Holy, in a really efficient way, tells us what the ship is, where it's gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: what its purpose is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I think the character's called Tang.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, we'll get there.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll get there in a later scene.
[SPEAKER_04]: So hang on to that one yet.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: So Alicia, we get the set up for the story.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's the year, twenty one twenty.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's the United States Commercial Starship, Manjano by Wale and Utani and on a sixty five-year mission that's as we learn about four months out of earth.
[SPEAKER_04]: And what did you make of the setup between the three different types of technology, the cyborgs, the synths and the hybrids?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I'm excited to learn more about them, particularly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we have this moral character who we're told is a hybrid, but we cyborgs, sorry, cyborgs, sorry, cyborgs.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we see like he has some tools in his arm, it seems like.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what does that mean to be a cyborg?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this raises so many questions, and also we see that obviously prodigy is where they are in the midst of inventing the new hybrid model.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they are also, they have Timothy, all the fans characters and synth.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they have synths.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems, you know, is it per corporation, which types of these beings they use or was, for synths just first and everyone has them?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's interesting and the word choice that in the screen overlay prevails and rules the universe, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: These are really loaded words and Holly is really setting up the stakes for the tension between these five companies.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, I think it's a big setting.
[SPEAKER_04]: I did like that when we did fly into the, um, Magino, we kind of flew up an underneath the ship and in, in through the window, which was very nostromo because like, uh, the cockpit was up inside of there.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was, it was all, like, real nice Omar stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_04]: And, and if you'd watched the movies, you're like, oh, yeah, I recognize that without, without complete retread.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah, I thought that that was really cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Before we move in the next scene, just really quick to on the timeline.
[SPEAKER_04]: For at least the time in the movie, we'll leave Alien versus Predator alone because that's just fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: But that's like set in the year, two thousand four.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then Prometheus and Covenant are before these.
[SPEAKER_04]: But then in Alien Earth, this is twenty one twenty.
[SPEAKER_04]: Alien.
[SPEAKER_04]: The first movie is two years after this, Romulus is then twenty-two years after this, and then Aliens is fifty-nine years after this.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we're talking sort of in line just a couple of big jumps, and then Aliens three and resurrection go much further out.
[SPEAKER_04]: Aliens three happens right after Aliens and then resurrections like way, way, way, like three hundred years in the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, I think that the timeline is interesting because it does, it does an interesting bit of raccott because you're never quite sure what she's actually in, whether they do just come across the crash ship by accident.
[SPEAKER_01]: or where they were deliberately sent there because we do know that like ash replaced the science.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's always been sort of open to interpretation.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this now makes it much clearer than the strong mode wasn't on LB wasn't sent to LB-IV-IV-V-IV-V by accident.
[SPEAKER_04]: Agreed.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was another attempt to recover its basement.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the timeline does do something interesting to Alien as a film.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it makes sense this has set two years before Alien, for pouring to another.
[SPEAKER_02]: So obviously going to play big role in the story.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: It said sixteen years after covenant and
[SPEAKER_02]: we don't know how much there's been like whispers you know the alien what is canon in the alien universe has always been a little wonky um it does feel like yeah so let's say yeah so it does feel like maybe they're starting to clamp down on that but
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the idea I had when it came to Prometheus and covenant, the prequel movies, is that Noah Hawley was just kind of ignore them.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the fact that it's only sixteen years after, and for anyone who doesn't know, there's a synth in the prequel movies who basically kind of invents
[SPEAKER_02]: the xenomorphs as we know them, which is a really controversial plot point that's not everyone wants to be kept in universe, but that means they'd be rather, yeah, Luke says.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, this would be a relatively new species.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think it's, I think Holly does a smart job here of
[SPEAKER_04]: not rejecting outright nor crossing over.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's loose enough that he and he's got enough distance that he can go well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, if you want to fit it in in your head, Canon, you can do that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not necessarily going to officially address it, but I'm not necessarily going to officially counteract it either.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's a smart storytelling thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: He just he's like, I want to tell the story that I have in me.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not going to get caught up in the canons of and the what's the way I want to say of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: The the doctrinalness of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And if if I can make it fit, then cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like then it'll be cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then what everybody will be happy.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I have a story that I'm inching to tell and so I'll work it in this way.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's just respectful right on like Tony Gilroy and Andor who was like actively destroyed Star Wars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but you can tell Noah Holly is really a fan, you know, and that's when this one thing I like it like that with Legion too, you know, he's like he comes from he's like, hell, yeah, I'll do an X-Men story and I'm gonna go in deep and get all this X-Men lore and you know, hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, so on the magic now as as Luke was saying before we watch the crew wake from frio and share a meal and then we learn some details about the ship and the way of the world after breakfast some of the crew go back to sleep well it seems like others stay awake and play with their pets so as you said Luke like
[SPEAKER_04]: watching the the pods open the pedals also very alien xenomorph like in some ways we get that soft cross fades in the background music and of course the the breakfast scene right right out of out of alien you started to say something about tang yeah earlier
[SPEAKER_01]: There's one character called Tang, and he, you know, ends.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the way that that has done is really clever because you instantly think, oh, yeah, bud guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, big villain clearly he's going to be the guy that survives and tries to contain aliens.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_01]: right did we see we didn't see his body or anything though right so we saw a lot of the other crew but we did have not seen tanks body that's yeah I can't remember the actors name but clearly now a holy just going direction just sit there and be creepy yeah right and then it breaks a big's a question is he a center not yet I took it that he was
[SPEAKER_04]: Alicia, do you have an opinion on Tang?
[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't we see the, what's this the episode where we saw the faces on the wall?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, the actor and the U plays Tang, I did, I actually put it in the discord, I guess, for this episode, aside by side comparison of his face and a synth face that we see hanging on the wall and I do think that it's the same.
[SPEAKER_04]: because we see that at some point with boy K, there are three since hanging on the wall behind him, which then the next shot is the wise, the three wise monkeys.
[SPEAKER_04]: And with the three since, but yeah, one of the faces you're like, wait, is that tang?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's totally there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, when you look at it side by side, I'm like, the nose, the mouth, I think it's the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So creepy technique is he has sinned or not?
[SPEAKER_04]: But we do get a flashback later on and those weird little blips that holly edits in of tang screaming in pain.
[SPEAKER_04]: And like looking up the cameras above him and he's looking up from these screens.
[SPEAKER_04]: What is that about?
[SPEAKER_04]: Is that, you know, past, you know, out of time.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then there's because we've got
[SPEAKER_04]: pictures of Tang hovering over one of the crew members in their cryo pod, is that past or future?
[SPEAKER_04]: He's really disorienting us.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would imagine that
[SPEAKER_04]: That kind of cryo, two would be disorienting in a way that you wake up for these blips.
[SPEAKER_04]: You socialize and then go back to sleep and you've moved and time has moved on.
[SPEAKER_04]: After a while, a couple of two, three cycles of that.
[SPEAKER_04]: That would be a really, you know, where are you?
[SPEAKER_04]: I could see myself being unmoored a little bit after that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, you would be unlocked.
[SPEAKER_01]: because I was in clear on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why if they're just going straight back into cryo?
[SPEAKER_01]: Were they?
[SPEAKER_01]: Were they woken up because somebody needed to go and look at the specimens?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they were switching ships.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's kind of, I think, on this, when we see them going back to sleep, some of the pods are empty.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you freeze frame, you can see a couple empty pods.
[SPEAKER_04]: And obviously, the doctor stays up later than everybody else to play with her pets.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when they are sitting there and they're talking about ten staring at people, we see him staring at, there is a bank of pods that does still have people in it that are known.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, OK, I missed that.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK.
[SPEAKER_04]: and then I think we we definitely see that alien nineteen seventy nine uh... with the yoff at co-do character and the hery dean stand characters and of course i'm blanking their character names right now because my heads full of other technical details uh...
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Fabulous Parker and Brent, who they're talking about, their bonuses and you know, there's the whole truckers and space, blue collar, corporate control, all of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we have a clearly differentiated class structure here of the two mechanics who are in grubbier clothes and aren't sitting at the table with everybody else.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there is a little confrontation with Moro.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Moro is saying, do I need to post extra security?
[SPEAKER_04]: So already we're uneasy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, how did these specimens get loose?
[SPEAKER_04]: Which ones got loose?
[SPEAKER_04]: And how did that all go down?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I really do think I think was it you, at least you said you wonder if we're going to get more.
[SPEAKER_04]: Imagine a story in the future, I really think we are.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's too many questions there about, and yeah, I think that they introduced all these people and you know, showed these cuts back and forth to before and after, I think they're going to show us the in-between.
[SPEAKER_04]: One of the things that we get to is the set up of the world of the five companies.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I loved that little story telling, that visual flourish that Holly did where he shows us the board room with four.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I afraid who is narrating or talking about the companies.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then they say, oh, but don't forget about the fifth.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then they recut the scene.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then there's five people around the board with boy K with his feet, his dirty feet up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, oh gosh, which is an insult in many parts of the world.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_04]: And especially, I believe in parts of Southeast Asia, that's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, where he's, yeah, he's in Thailand.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I need that story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like why is this white boy in charge of Asia?
[SPEAKER_02]: Although I guess Utahny is at least the Utahny part is from Japan.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, but I think it's perfect storytelling, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like instantly with one shot, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Learn who who boy Cavalier is.
[SPEAKER_04]: Not the name and then we get a visual identification.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Works.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like to.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, boy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we get to speak.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like to come boy asshole or boy boy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Boy.
[SPEAKER_04]: So then we get all this, yeah, exposition dump five companies.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, they lost men getting the specimens.
[SPEAKER_04]: We clearly see that cyborgs are not.
[SPEAKER_04]: liked by maybe other human beings because Moro gets side, oh shit, he's a cyborg, you know, or you know, just sort of dirty little comments directed at people.
[SPEAKER_04]: But that I liked, I wish I had the engineer's name.
[SPEAKER_04]: I forgot to write that one down.
[SPEAKER_04]: I liked how he sort of like make earth healthy again.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, you guys are putting stuff in our food supply and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, okay, this is perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: somebody I follow on blue sky put Michael Smiley who is the guy that plays the the place the engineer is now is the British actor you get now that Ralph Fineson is busy playing galactis.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not seem kind of de-gravly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, right, right, right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he fills that niche for us.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I got it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Alicia, do you want to give us a little bit of background on Wailing Utani and Project Projecty?
[SPEAKER_04]: You were, were you, did you say on the discord that you were a project a user back of the day?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know if people remember this from like the, because we were early adopters with computers because my mom was just really into that stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And before AOL, prodigy, I feel like, I mean, in my little world at least, everyone, prodigy was the thing that anyone who had computers at that time used.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I just,
[SPEAKER_02]: think it's funny that it was a really bright leading start up at the time that no longer exists in like a musical this one.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they're there.
[SPEAKER_04]: I cut their corporate symbol is a little teddy bear thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a star.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a hand drawn star.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you mean the, the, yeah, yeah, yeah, the computer company in real world was in the star.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so I mean, Whalen, Utahni is obviously the most iconic one that we, we know from the, we're gonna call it like the, the Ripley cycle or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll please the Ripley cycle.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like the, the Skywalker saga, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a Ripley cycle.
[SPEAKER_04]: Perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we've been talking about those pre-cools from atheists and covenant.
[SPEAKER_02]: They dive more into wailin' to the wailin' side of it, particularly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So apparently there was going to be a little bit more uthony, but then I forget whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they were going to have Michelle Yoda or even or something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they are the main corporation that we've heard of, but I'm wondering now, like do these other corporations no longer exist as like, as Whalen, Utahny take over the whole earth?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or is it just because we've been hearing stories from primarily the American perspective?
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And from within the Whalen, Utahny corporate verse,
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, because Ripley was a way that Newtonian boyy, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: The Nostroma was way that Newtonian boyy.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, we never really get outside that bubble.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's a really funny view.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So is it because they own everything after this or after the event of the story or is it because we've just been seeing a limited perspective?
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope it's the latter to be honest.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: So in progenies, the newest one and it's, you know,
[SPEAKER_04]: trying to dig up some intel on the companies and what the world is, seems like they're more into Android's.
[SPEAKER_04]: And obviously this question of MRT, we're going to get to the boy K in a while.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they seem to have influence over Asia, Oceana, South Africa, and Iceland, weirdly.
[SPEAKER_02]: about like there has been collecting yeah yeah yeah because also on outlier we're we're the new tani has north central in South America Mars Saturn maybe Japan as well we're not sure I have found you tani's definitely from Japan and I know one of their headquarters is in Tokyo so please okay they have Japan
[SPEAKER_04]: So we, some information I found, and I don't know the veracity of this, so take it as such, but maybe the other three companies are called Lynch dynamic and threshold, and some one of them is over Russia that would be Lynch.
[SPEAKER_04]: and dynamic, Africa, Middle East, the Moon, and threshold, Scandinavia, Greater Europe, some of the Caucasus regions.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm not, like, whether that's canon or that's just, you know, red material.
[SPEAKER_02]: They said a lot of that in the show, like, dynamic on the Moon and stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, God, I missed some of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's interesting that the corporations actually like, Rome,
[SPEAKER_01]: human civilization.
[SPEAKER_01]: I always sort of imagine waiting to you, Tony, is being incredibly powerful, but in a kind of behind the scenes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Machiavellian kind of string poorly, sort of way.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're almost like a, uh, what did you call the, uh, like the British East India Company or something like that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, something like that, but no, the Holy's got a different room entirely.
[SPEAKER_01]: And said, yeah, you know, countries, civilizations, all of that, all of that has been subsumed by corporations, which I think is, is kind of interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like when you said about who controls what, I kind of have this image of the more sitting at a gigantic boardroom table, playing a game of risk to work out who gets what?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I actually had this thought in the back of my mind that I wanted to ask your opinion about this Luke as a historian and specifically military historian.
[SPEAKER_04]: The idea that corporations are these kind of kingdoms now and these founders are kings in their own way.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're just
[SPEAKER_04]: exercising authority through eagle and corporate methods as opposed to force at arms methods.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ultimately, violence has the ultimate arbiter of whether you comply or not, but there's a huge legal, you know, corporations are about lawyers.
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you, I don't know, what do you have?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not, I don't think it's a big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a huge part of the story, but
[SPEAKER_01]: It strikes me as a little bit far-fetched in the sense that if you refer to something like the East India Company, for example, or like the Dutch East India Company, or the various sort of military companies that were selling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, the Dutch East India Company is the original, don't speak of it like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but if you sort of look at those companies, yes, they are.
[SPEAKER_04]: Dragon library.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no book very religious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they are acting as independent access, but they are drawing authority.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are drawing authority from the crowned heads of Europe.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're drawing authority from the state, even if the state is contracting out the actual work of government.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think you would ever get to a stage where a corporation
[SPEAKER_01]: took over from the state, I'm on a key, something like that because I don't think you're ever going to get people who would willingly die for a corporation.
[SPEAKER_04]: But isn't that what Holly is showing us on this, where the security forces are progity forces that is willing to die for his corporate masters?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess that's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not something that's not something that's not something that took away from my enjoyment of the show, but I think I find that a little bit far fetched because, yeah, if you look at the history of, if you look at the history of on commercial companies,
[SPEAKER_01]: They're always very keen to stress an amplifier that relationship with other kinds of authority be the state be the electricity be the church right that whatever they do some sort of legitimizing an additional legitimizing factor there is some kind of other outside fact that this legitimate thing what they did
[SPEAKER_04]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two thoughts about that one is that I'm not sure I can completely agree because I think that if corporations could take power outright if they no longer needed that legitimizing factor because they were just deemed legitimate.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that a lot would.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what we're seeing has happened in this world.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, well, we'll talk about the money thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I made a joke about this being a potential utopia, but I do, I think it's very much a dystopia, but also this has an interesting overlap with murder bot, which is also a situation that explains quite plausibly how the economics and the governments, you know, the economic system and the government gets so tied up that there is the corporation rim is this main power in the galaxy, and then there are these
[SPEAKER_02]: little outliers who have different forms of government living outside the corporation room and how they interact with each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a lot of these two speaking to each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know David you watch the show too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I really enjoyed that aspect that it was an interesting take.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think this is something though that Holly is doing in this world is he's saying, and I'm not disagreeing with you look from the historical thing, but I'm questioning what is Holly saying about what is the next evolution of power and authority among human beings as practiced?
[SPEAKER_04]: Is there an evolution?
[SPEAKER_04]: He's positing that there's an evolution of the form.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, yeah, and the past is not necessarily prologue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, because that's how it was happened before.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mean that that's how it was going to happen again.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like I say, I don't think it's interesting, but I don't think it's a big part of the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it wasn't something I'd like.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's, but it's contextual in the background.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it's very cool though.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's very cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: Alright, so our next scene, Terror on the Magino, we watch as Chibuzo, who is the doctor on the crew, feeds some of her specimens and we tour the ship as the crew rotates into cryos.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sleep, we get more flash forwards of the Xenomorph having some fun running around the ship.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then that's where we see Tang screaming.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a shot of Moro with his fancy pistol, which it seems like there's a xenomorph behind him.
[SPEAKER_04]: So there's people who've been questioning, like, wait, why is he pointing his gun?
[SPEAKER_04]: What that way when the threat is behind him?
[SPEAKER_04]: We do see Chibuzo's broken body in the lab, which is later discovered by a couple of the corporate security guys.
[SPEAKER_04]: And something that I found interesting that no Holly in some articles but also on the official podcast was talking about that the story of the xenomorph is so well known and so told that
[SPEAKER_04]: He can't, you know, like Romulus does to a degree.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, Aliens loose on the ship running around.
[SPEAKER_04]: People are, ah, scared, you know, get away, get behind the bulkhead door or whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've seen that before.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he's saying, well, what can I do?
[SPEAKER_04]: I got to do some different stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: But at the same time, I have to react and let me eat you to this movie and I have to give you the feelings and the vibes.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I thought that the editing, the way that he did this, yeah, we don't need to go through it.
[SPEAKER_04]: We got it.
[SPEAKER_04]: We know it, but he's given us enough to give us that roadmap for
[SPEAKER_04]: How things went down.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: Did that work for either of you guys?
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: But my question for you, Gopoth, is do you think that they gave enough to people who are, this is their first alien thing they're watching?
[SPEAKER_04]: Good point.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not about that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because why haven't you watched the series of stories?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not sure I can answer that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: right in if you if you do have a point of view split because I know a couple of people have asked uh... on the discord instead of which which i watch first and i was saying you don't need to watch anything you can just go into this fresh but you bring up a really good point uh... at least that maybe they don't know that story they don't know the haunted house story of alien right
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know that I think it's a bad thing because I think they are going to explain the whole, because the new characters are going to discover the whole cycle and it will be explained through that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just, as you said earlier, it's a different format so they're not just exposition dumping in the first couple episodes, but it will be revealed over time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think he's laying a lot of little visual things and he's he's craft it.
[SPEAKER_04]: This isn't a mystery box.
[SPEAKER_04]: So right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I don't think he's building us a mystery box.
[SPEAKER_04]: But at the same time, he is putting out some things here and there that he's going to use later on.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like the weird guy in the hallway, but we'll talk about that when we get to it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's take a really quick quick break here.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then when we come back, we'll start talking about our friends back on Earth.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we're back.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so we do a nice fade out of the engines of the magino, and then we transition into the moon and earth.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we come down to prodigies, neverland, or research island, where we meet Marcie Hermit and Kirch bonding over a scorpion.
[SPEAKER_04]: We meet Dom Silvia.
[SPEAKER_04]: Dame Silvia, sorry, pronounced that weirdly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Dame Silvia as Kirch instructs Marcie in the ways of empathy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sylvia and Marcie awalked to the lab where we meet Dr. Arthur, Dame Sylvia's husband and boy Cavalier.
[SPEAKER_04]: Marcie's human consciousness is transferred to Wendy's synthetic body.
[SPEAKER_04]: Alicia, what did you make of this whole introduction of Marcie and the synthetics and some of our main characters here?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, definitely was very interested in the whole time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I find especially a conversation that happens in the second episode, but it has me very, I don't know, thinking a lot about boy cavalier, although I've made it clear, I do not like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he gets me his character and the way his character is portrayed and drawn gets me thinking a lot, which went back and rewatch came back to this episode too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I went down a rabbit hole that I shared on the discord, shall I share it?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jason, please.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, you should.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think it's one of the most lorhoundy things that you could have done.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, so they said that he is the youngest trillionaire yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, okay, trillionaires.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's dig into this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, first of all, I just want to say that I don't think he's the wealthiest person in their world.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just the youngest trillionaire.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess that like Whalen would be the wealthiest person in the world perhaps something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But just to compare the wealthiest people in the world to compare what that looks like with our time.
[SPEAKER_02]: The wealthiest person today is Elon Musk with an estimated net worth, yeah, a four hundred and twenty billion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and then so is like bud.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is ninety five years into our future.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's look ninety five years into our past to make a comparison.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the wealthiest person in nineteen thirty was JD Rockefeller who was worth the time one point five billion.
[SPEAKER_04]: But today that's your one point five.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, but especially it's so today with inflation that would be twenty nine billion versus Elon Musk's for twenty.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, we'll all laugh at the number real quick for twenty.
[SPEAKER_02]: but yeah and so Elon Musk if we took that backwards in inflation to nineteen thirty dollars you know Rockefeller had one point five was the wealthiest person Elon Musk has twenty one point seven billion so it means that the wealthiest person today has a much larger slice of the pie
[SPEAKER_02]: versus ninety five years ago, not to mention the all the inflation in between.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we project that forward to twenty one twenty, JD Rockefeller would have five hundred and sixty billion and Elon Musk would have eight trillion.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if
[SPEAKER_02]: If inflation and the proportion of wealth owned by the wealthiest person follow these same statistics, you know, from twenty twenty five to twenty one twenty then the wealthiest person in twenty one twenty whom I'm guessing is wailand would be worth a hundred and fifteen trillion.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the kind of number that the human brain just can't.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't fit that into my head.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what that means.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, just strike off.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think it's also like if you travel to Hungary or to Japan or something and they have a decent sane amount of zeros on their currency, you know, just like start crossing out the last row.
[SPEAKER_04]: Or I don't know if you've seen those physical demonstrations where one grain of rice is a thousand dollars or something like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And this is how big the pile is.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's the only way I could conceive of what eight trillion would be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, let alone a hundred and sixteen trillion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so yes, so I made the joke that if they only have eight trillion that it's a utopia because then they're not getting a bigger slice of the pie, but this is definitely not a utopia.
[SPEAKER_02]: We saw that when we saw, you know, how his name is not anemic, how we saw how firm it's to be.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, Joe Herman.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm curious Luke and into you, at least as well, the Peter Pan of it all.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, obviously Noah Hawley is not shy about taking thoughts and ideas and themes that he has and just mixing him into the dough of his shows.
[SPEAKER_04]: Luke, where you, I have not read Peter Pan for years and you're like, it's been the furthest thing from my mind.
[SPEAKER_04]: Are you up on any of the Peter Pan lore?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, sorry to disappoint you David, but I'm a Zama's ignorant this year when it comes to... Got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I thought it was an interesting little conceit and absolutely the kind of thing the boy carefully would do.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's absolutely the thing that's super rich.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will do why not name your creations.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's like...
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the punitive, you know, all the stuff that Peter Deal has got that's named after stuff from Lord of the Rings.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Peter Deal uses that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So why wouldn't you use for your parents?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why wouldn't you use for your parents the same way?
[SPEAKER_01]: Alicia, when they were talking about consciously strums from a human into some kind of sense, were you sitting there thinking, did they have to go to a theme park and possibly were some kind of hats?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I wish that they could, well, they hey, in Westworld, they couldn't get it right for adults.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that's a thing that even they even talk about a cognitive plateau.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't mind to two steps.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I make sense, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, children have more plastic lines.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why they can learn languages more easily.
[SPEAKER_02]: But about the Peter Pan thing, I just wanted to point out that it's also, as we saw with that excerpt that he reads to them about, you know, Wendy goes in rearranges, mother rearranges your ideas and your head.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I've got that audio clip later.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cute.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was just going to say that this is particularly pulling from the darker book version of the story, not the Disney cartoon version of the story.
[SPEAKER_04]: right and I think Noah Holly talks about that in the official podcast that just how weird the book is and how dark it is and he's definitely playing with some of those themes obviously children who never age
[SPEAKER_04]: Boy Cavalier as a Peter Pan, you know, this sort of selfish sociopathic, if I can use that word, I don't know if you're using that word correctly, but, you know, he's unable to let go.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's this one childhood wonder, but in horror.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do believe, yes, that Cavalier could be associated with.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then this idea of that he's the stunted identity in immortality, his refusal to grow up.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the point was brought up as well is
[SPEAKER_04]: Boy K has never been a child.
[SPEAKER_04]: If he is a hyperintelligent genius type person and he's saying I just want a really good conversation.
[SPEAKER_04]: Did he ever have that child like wonder and that sense of growing into something or was he always this way?
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think it's an, it just adds another development of podcaster mouth.
[SPEAKER_04]: another element of identity, who are we and what's important about our human development and that's what I thought was interesting, you know, the the trope of a robot teaching a human about what it is to be humans, so cures is instructing some, you know, is giving Marcy some instruction in empathy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like how do you think the scorpion feels being trapped in this cage?
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think all of that is sort of layering in on that question of, you know, Kiers is just a walking L.L.M.
[SPEAKER_04]: versus, you know, Windy versus Moro versus Boy K himself.
[SPEAKER_04]: These questions of identity and becoming
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, being a human being, you know, I'm being something, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm being all that I am.
[SPEAKER_04]: But then if you change the fundamental nature of it, what does that mean?
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think he opens that whole conversation up really quickly here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got to say like, when Kurt went Kirsch walks into the scene and he starts doing that, my instant thought was, what's Roy Batty?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's Roy Batty?
[SPEAKER_01]: The way they designed Kirsch's kindness, he was actually quite distracting for a little while.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is, that is really, if you try, I think it's now an accident.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, if you go on the reddits, there are people who are all up on this time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is an important question is, you know, speaking of the softness of the interwoven lore, there is some real, I mean, specifically laid by Ridley Scott himself and people who followed, there's some real groundwork to claim that Blade Runner is part of this universe, too, we believe that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if they confirm that it's going to be like the biggest square of all of us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone was saying Philip K Dick is rolling over in his grave.
[SPEAKER_04]: I remember when I did a visual breakdowns of the Romulus trailer, there's a scene of an air car flying by over the top and it's like, oh, is that like, you know, the air cars from lead runner, you know, so.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I like the same with predators, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: I think we're going to have a little bit more hard crossover than soft crossover coming up here, but I like
[SPEAKER_04]: I personally enjoy the ambiguity and that wink wink.
[SPEAKER_04]: And let's play with it a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm having fun with that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And in some story, versus we want continuity and we want canon.
[SPEAKER_04]: And in this one, it's just always been the nature of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I'm enjoying the, I love the fact that Reddit is just going wild about the body.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't hate it if it were confirmed.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like literally, he's doing all that speech about empathy and the first time I'm watching it, or I can think of, it's the way it is to be in the truck, the truck, the truck is in the truck, the truck is in the truck, so what?
[SPEAKER_04]: That would be yes, I'm going to be sure.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh God, yes, somebody has to do that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I do think of a one-to-one speech of the Roy Thaddy in the rain speech for his tears from the scorpion.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was also noticing in I think it is in Covenant where one android asks the other, um, do you dream of me and I just have to like do android stream of sleep?
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is the name of the short story that Blade Runner is based on.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I feel like there's a lot of direct call-outs.
[SPEAKER_02]: But okay, can I tell you what I find most ironic about Boy Jackass?
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's played very well by Samuel Blinken.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so this actor was in his late twenties at the time of filming.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's still called Boy Cavalier, but he is becoming a full grown-ass man by this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is an adult.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is almost certainly past the point where he could use his own technology on himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: His brain is no longer plastic.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's kind of, he's already peaked it away in terms of the plasticity of his brain.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yet he's emotionally mature for his age and he likely will never be able to use his technology to save himself.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's really interesting.
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't thought about that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And again, it goes into the question of identity and what are we and if he never had a childhood
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's like, but yet he's a Peter Pan issue character.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's a really interesting.
[SPEAKER_04]: Really interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Frozen in between.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, totally.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and the Peter Pan of it all, right, all the children who, you know, they all take names from the straight out of the book.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, that's no a holly's not shy about
[SPEAKER_04]: telling you what his themes are and then just rolling them straight into the story line.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think it's something he does really well, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: And you don't have to work hard as a viewer to appreciate what he's flashing in your face.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do sometimes get the sort of the, you know, the garrison meringue gate gift, you know, I know writers that you subtext and they're all kept and they're all kept.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like sometimes sometimes no it would be okay to just leave the subtext.
[SPEAKER_04]: Fair enough.
[SPEAKER_04]: Last couple of notes really quick.
[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, we have human moms synthetic data.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, maybe Dame Civilios, you know, a synthetic who knows.
[SPEAKER_04]: But at least at this stage, they're setting up the mom and dad relationship.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've positive that one of the other faces on the wall was hers.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I put a picture and discord compared to maybe maybe that one's not as on, you know, ting I feel certain hers could be.
[SPEAKER_04]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then we had, like I mentioned before, we had the weird
[SPEAKER_04]: Dude in the hallway, spring, something on the walls with this, you know, heavy.
[SPEAKER_04]: And to me, it was like a Harkin' and Death Trooper right out of the David Lynch, in nineteen and even a Dune movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought of you guys, perfect.
[SPEAKER_04]: When we saw it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we see that same character later.
[SPEAKER_04]: I won't say winning it's in the other episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: It happens, so it's not really a spoiler.
[SPEAKER_04]: But there is a, there's something very Jacobian about that weird figure, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: So we'll see them, I'm sure later.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, let's move on.
[SPEAKER_04]: Windy in the lost boys, as Marcy's consciousness begins to transfer, we get flashbacks of her former life with her brother and her father, who is played by Noah Holly.
[SPEAKER_04]: We then time jump to some time in the future with Windy sitting on a cliff, Dame Sylvia calls to her, and she drops several stories down onto the beach, a soft montage, and then we join Windy for a check-in session with Mom and Dad,
[SPEAKER_04]: Memory glands are weird, hormones, mood simulation, the windy learns that she's going to be a big sister.
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... this uh... i just have to call out right off the top uh... the top this song with when he when she's sitting on the cliff is by uh... band called tb on the radio which i had not known them before and this song is called killer crane and it's a song sort of it and remembrance of the death of one of their bandmates jard smith
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's really interesting because if you read the lyrics, like there's a lot of connect, you could see a lot of poetry between windy and the lyrics, but you can also read into it some acceptance of mortality, but yet windy is very much alive here, and they're very much showing us what she's capable of.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it was also a very different kind of use of music from the alien, because you know, obviously we haven't been using popular songs in a lot of the alien stories.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so this brought in a whole different flavor of even the background music.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, did you, either of you, what did you, what did you both make of the scene Luke?
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I like, I like a good jukebox soundtrack.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, I think this is, um, this is Noah Hawley putting, we've talked about how much is, you know, calling back to the original.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I like the fact that Noah Hawley does occasionally throughout both episodes, throw in these little visual cues that definitely hits.
[SPEAKER_01]: It gives it its own flavor.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just hitting all the familiar beats.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think if we were just eating the same pie over and over again, we'd be a little bit bored.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And yet he's able to very craftily weave in new elements and in his personal, which is what we want, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Eight.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, Holly's got a show.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm watching it because the two words in a holly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Alicia, what did you make of this scene with Marcy?
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, Wendy.
[SPEAKER_04]: On the cliff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, I mean, it was, I just think this is the first time we saw her really as, um, you know, we saw the actress as a child inside an adult synth body and the mannerisms and the enthusiasm and the fearlessness and, um, he just all came through so well.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was interesting to hear on the official podcast how they work with the psychologist, a child psychologist too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I can't wait to talk about the last boys in general when we get there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: for sure.
[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, it was a really, because they talked to a Sydney Chandler.
[SPEAKER_04]: And she has a lot of great insights as to Wendy's character.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, so in those flashbacks that we get that is Noah Hawley and that is his real son who is playing the baby in the flashbacks.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think I said I on the discord shot with that as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I want to definitely give them a shout out for catching that as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, I think like as you both said, we sort of get to see Wendy's capability like in this one scene.
[SPEAKER_04]: of her dropping five stories down a cliff for something like that, and then taking off running down the beach.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's trained up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, OK, bye.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's training us, right, to say, hey, this is what this body is capable of.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so he's really efficient with that kind of storytelling.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I come on if you had a synthetic body that would be the kind of thing you would be doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be doing so many backhand springs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I missed doing backhand springs.
[SPEAKER_04]: You'd be staying up all night watching and you'd be scomping into the computers and downloading all the movies and books that I would go full murder bat.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_04]: Did either of you watch the television show, the two seasons show Altered Carbon?
[SPEAKER_02]: I watch the first season and gave up on the first episode of season two.
[SPEAKER_04]: I made it surprisingly longer through season two.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe about two thirds because I really like it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I really wanted Anthony Mackie to do something good in this and it boy season two was a right stinker.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't, I didn't watch it, but my dad had, my dad did watch it, and he had very much the same reaction YouTube did, really enjoying the first season and thinking the second season soaked.
[SPEAKER_04]: downloaded into all kinds of forms and bodies.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so you can be immortal and how all that technology works.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was really interested if you have the money.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, if you have the money and prisons the way that the
[SPEAKER_04]: criminal justice system, you know, quote unquote, worked in the future.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it was really interesting, but it made me think of that with the sense, right, that the fact that you could with if consciousness is portable, then what does that do?
[SPEAKER_04]: What does it say about humanity?
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's where we get this conversation with Wendy when she does a check-in with Mom and Dad about, you know, a serotonin and testosterone, estrogen, and all these different neurochemicals that affect our moods and how a motion plays and how intellect plays and all of that and what that means.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think he's opening that question.
[SPEAKER_04]: We don't really go into it much other than, you know, talking about like, what are, what are, what are, what are, memory glands good for, honest and medic?
[SPEAKER_04]: Right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Because they're biologic, yeah, like, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: To make her look human, yeah, I feel good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did like the, yeah, but she's not human.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's sitting right there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Mom and Dad talking about you all year.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: So.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's start talking about the lost boys.
[SPEAKER_04]: We get a sort of a dream-like sequence where Wendy meets her new siblings and we watch as each one is transferred in turn into their synthetic bodies.
[SPEAKER_04]: We learn that the young minds are flexible enough to be transferred where the older minds are to brittle boy cavalier reads a passage from Peter Pan which serves as an instruction of kinds.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll play that clip here in a little bit when we get to that section when we start talking about that topic.
[SPEAKER_04]: We also get this weird montage of disturbing visuals.
[SPEAKER_04]: That does have the three faces of synthetics.
[SPEAKER_04]: We assume that then ends with the three wise monkeys, which is the also known as the Sino-Evil.
[SPEAKER_04]: Here, no evil, speak no evil thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we get a lot of sort of ominous music, but we get a lot of weird alien coded
[SPEAKER_04]: visuals right here in the drain the needle all this kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: So again, serving to sort of destabilize us.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you want to talk a little bit about the last the lost boys themselves, Alicia?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, I mean, I had a, so there are names after, of course, Peter Pan characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that we're going to, I have a lost boy's death watch list here.
[SPEAKER_02]: think that they're going to roughly die in reverse order of transfer because they do have that that conversation where they can still be crossed like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that Wendy is going to hopefully survive through the season into what we posit maybe a second season.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that the other character who's going to last the longest is the one who's
[SPEAKER_02]: Went second has been getting the second most amount of focus and that's slightly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who is described in the Peter Pam book as being kind of the most conceded and cocky of the boys and we see like he's fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like him a lot, but he is also
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we'll talk about that more in the second episode, I think, where he's a little by the hand sometimes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why wonder if that's going to cause friction?
[SPEAKER_02]: We have sweets, me, who seems to absolutely lovely.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was thirst third.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think he's, we're going to get some emotional death, maybe next season where we lose our heart of the team, perhaps.
[SPEAKER_02]: OK.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got nibs, the red head, who is, she seems the most afraid of death.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm going to say she is very lumbuck coded to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: She is very, really like a cart ride.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: From the original Sony Night movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: She looks a little bit like lumbuck, but also just the.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really not equipped.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think she's going to, oh, she's going to have some horrible death.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to hate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do, I want to skip the next one because I think they're actually going to be the first to die.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the last one who came through, who was, you know, transferred was curly, the other female.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was the one who was in the wheelchair before.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then she, I don't know, she seems like she has a good attitude.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like she just hasn't been getting as much of the focus she was last.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think poor tutels.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tudals barely seen on screen listed as recurring in the credits.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Tudals is a goner maybe even next week.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Check back in.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll have to keep your definitely keep that running in the in the discord.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we'll every every episode we can check in on Alicia's last day's death watch.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Very cool, it's fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, boy, I can't bear the thought of losing me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, I think me is going to be a painful death, maybe in season, not this season, probably.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe some of the survives at the end and we're like, oh, thank God's me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really don't want sweet to be killed off by anything that sounds like a ticking clock.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, maybe that's, I don't know, maybe that's for shadowing, actually, which is, frankly, because it's not only me, yeah, because it is the Crocodile, as well as the clock and Peter Pan, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think you alluded this earlier, Alicia, but on the official podcast, in episode one, Sidney Chandler talks about working
[SPEAKER_04]: with the child psychologist and the group of actors, you know, remembering how to act as children and how to do things.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there was this one great moment where
[SPEAKER_04]: they were doing some activity.
[SPEAKER_04]: And one of the actors just stood up and walked away and then went and sat down somewhere else.
[SPEAKER_04]: And she's recounting how she had this like, well wait a minute, what are you doing?
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, you're supposed to be doing this.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is part of our training.
[SPEAKER_04]: She's thinking very adult like, but then it was like, no, no, no, that's exactly what a eight year old or a five year old might do in the middle of an activity that they no longer want to do is just be impulsive and walk away from something.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so there's a really great insight of seeing it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I love watching slightly and smee like poking each other and sticking their fingers in each other's ears or when later in another scene, smee makes a fart noise.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I'm like, oh yeah, I need this kid, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, and again, great visual storytelling by Noah Hawley, the way that the floating camera circling around, and each time the scene comes around, we get another transfer scene, so it's efficient storytelling, but it's still emotional and meaningful in a lot of ways.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's really, yeah, I just think it's a really smart, he's really built a smart visual language for this show, and it's pretty fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, let's talk a little bit about the clip of Boy Cavalier.
[SPEAKER_04]: Here, let me play it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a little long, but I think it's worthwhile.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mrs. Starling, first who to Peter, when she was tidying up her children's minds, it is the nightly custom of every good mother, after her children are asleep, to rummage in their minds and put things straight.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you wake in the morning,
[SPEAKER_00]: The naughtynesses and evil passions with which you went to bed have been folded up small in place to the bottom of your mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: And on the top, beautifully air, I've spread out your prettier thoughts, ready for you to put on.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the old days, at home, I never landed I was begun to look a little dark and threatening by bedtime.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then unexplored patches arose in it and spread.
[SPEAKER_00]: Black shadows moved about below.
[SPEAKER_00]: The war, the beasts of prey was quite different now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of all.
[SPEAKER_00]: You lost the certainty that you would win.
[SPEAKER_04]: Alicia, that's pretty dark.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like somebody rummaging around in your mind at night and cleaning your thoughts.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's probably literally happening with these.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can we call them kids?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just I think that's probably literally happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just want to shout out the sound and music mixing that really, like it gives me chills.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead, Luke.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does that implied you think the boy cut that this, this isn't just pure consciousness drugs for the boy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cavalier might be leaving stuff in, taking stuff out.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's a good point because later in another scene as in the other episode, it's a blur.
[SPEAKER_04]: Two back to back episodes is like a blur.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I, to get ready for these recordings, man, I had to like cram in a lot into my own brains.
[SPEAKER_04]: I could have used this scomp control.
[SPEAKER_04]: But there's the point of the data is flowing by directionally between the sense and the project, prodigy computers.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then
[SPEAKER_04]: When he does release them to go on the mission, he says, you can follow orders right?
[SPEAKER_04]: So is he activating verbal commands to gain compliance and things like that or is there free will?
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's a whole other interesting question is how much free will does curse have?
[SPEAKER_04]: How much free will do the lost boys have?
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's open for debate, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... there was the scene to uh... uh... at least that you pointed to earlier of windy saying go around uh... that is the moment i need to begin go around that is the moment that i was like uh... if a synth wanted to hurt a flesh and blood human yeah like that's yeah that's danger right that's that's big time danger
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like the end or when one of the security droids grabs Cassian by the neck and lifts him up like, oh my god, how terrifying, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: There's this intelligence that has no empathy and it's physically manhand.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, so this is another good break point.
[SPEAKER_04]: And when we come back, we will pick it up with some more death on the Maginow.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we're back.
[SPEAKER_04]: We return to the Magino on final approach to Earth and shouldn't write.
[SPEAKER_04]: We take a trip through the hallways and further, which further show disturbing scenes of the specimens on the loose.
[SPEAKER_04]: We join Moro.
[SPEAKER_04]: Dr. Murrow, anyone?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that's a reddit theory that's going around.
[SPEAKER_04]: A locked into the computer, a control room signaling about the status of the ship.
[SPEAKER_04]: He goes to use his go-go gadget arm to bury the door.
[SPEAKER_04]: As Zebrai is taken by the Xenomorph, Moro then hides in a special compartment as the Xenomorph breaks through, but then the ship crashes past
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm guessing it's orbital docking station like maybe it's supposed to catch in that ring and then continues on its way to the earth.
[SPEAKER_04]: So this was some good alien or ship fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: Luke, what did you make of Dr. Moro here?
[SPEAKER_04]: Or I wish I'd just say Moro.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, he's not, he's not on an island, but he will be soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is a small thing, but like, they've obviously got the alien, you know, the little room with mother, you know, the mask.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, the computer room, yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't basically ask the typeway on the keyboard to ask you questions and then put information, but later on, he's actually verbally speaking.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not like, why do you have to sit there and type it in?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, also that the crew member banging on the door wanting to get in, I mean, yes, you were, yes, you were, it's not, it's you were, it's not there, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're, you're trapped between this, this feral, eight foot thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this, this cyborg, this is just completely like, doesn't give a damn whether you live or die.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like, is it just me or can you like feel the coat just fingernails stretching and touching at the door?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the... Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... shout out to the semi-autic standard uh... those uh... sim-symbology and i love that the keyboard was symbols and not letters uh... i love when he they type in crew status and then no but before he talks dead he goes over and seals yes yes like he wants to make sure that when he writes dead they have to be a little bit at least what did you make it all this
[SPEAKER_02]: I have questions about Moro's orders and instructions.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he is the one.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's behaving like we have seen the worse since behave in LA movie's prior.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's apparently a cyborg.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is my question.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like how much of him is still human?
[SPEAKER_02]: What are his secret orders from Wayne and Newtani?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because clearly he is the one who has
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's the one in this room who is giving the reports and who gets the crash compartment in the floor.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wonders, like he does seem earnest in trying to recollect particularly that the one, the major, the xenomorph specimen.
[SPEAKER_02]: But part of me wonders if this crash was engineered to land on this island, this prodigy island, to sort of bring down that company from within.
[SPEAKER_02]: with the deadly exotic animals that will cause an infestation.
[SPEAKER_04]: But then why would Utani call and ask, I mean, she would.
[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like they were both posturing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we saw him like immediately go from it's like Christmas to you killed a lot of my people.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we know he's fake AF and I
[SPEAKER_02]: I presume that she is as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, it's been an expensive day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we have, but I think she knew if this is orchestrated in this way that I'm positing, I think that, you know, she knew that there was going to be, they weren't going to just hand this over.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was going to go through all these, all the red tape of courts and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was going to insist up on that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll have to check in to see if your theory pans out.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's my change of oil theory.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Fair enough.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're going to wager some internet points.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You were saying, like, Alicia, how much is left of morrow, you know, how much is he a person, how much is he a machine?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think when you see him get into the little, um, escape pod crash room, whatever you want to call us.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is clearly scared.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's low-key, but he is clearly scared.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he does the same thing that they have Ripley do at the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's kind of humming to himself to the structure himself from the fact that there's this eight-foot monster.
[SPEAKER_05]: Trying to get the floor there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very low-key.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very subtle, but you can tell he is afraid.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there is something human left inside of that.
[SPEAKER_04]: for sure, but that's it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And this is the first time we get to see his, uh, uh, his cyborgness in action and other other, other scenes in future that we see that as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Trying to remember to not spoil episode two.
[SPEAKER_04]: So if anything slipped out here, dear listener, please.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, with my accent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of content.
[SPEAKER_04]: A lot of information that we've crammed into our little brains for the last couple of days.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, the go, the go, go, get your arm with the blow to awesome.
[SPEAKER_04]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: How many attachments are on that?
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's a really good question.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like how adaptable and what is inside there?
[SPEAKER_04]: Where does the fuel for the blowtorch come from?
[SPEAKER_04]: Does he have a little protein tank inside him?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like what the hell?
[SPEAKER_04]: A couple of little details.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love the fact that Noah Hawley on the sets are using the companion way that ladders.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is a really important visual connection to the lineage of aliens world.
[SPEAKER_04]: This came, the use of the ladders between decks came from one of the original movies that Ronald Schusset and, oh God, I'm liking the other guys now.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Dan O'Bannon.
[SPEAKER_04]: that Deo abandoned and she said had pulled up from a nineteen fifty eight movie called it terror from beyond space which is a great fun movie to watch and you could see so much of the original seventy nine construction and in ideas came from that movie but the companion way ladders were a big thing so i'm just like oh that's just really cool of a holly to it's a very minor detail but he includes it and uh... although there was another one too
[SPEAKER_04]: When the doctor, I forget her name now, when she's feeding the rat into the tick bugs to the parasite bugs.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the top.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, the little circular iris thing that closes.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a big visual motif in the seventy-nine as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I remember, I think I might be misrememberless, but when I watch the making of Freyland, there's an astronomer with one set.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's actually like built with all the corridors and all the different rooms.
[SPEAKER_01]: They actually do properly interconnect.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I believe a large part of it does, if that's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's two, yeah, there's I've seen both of the makings of, and they didn't while ago because we did last year with Romulus, we did a crossover with the Ayesha from every sequel sci-fi film, doing the Forty-Fifth anniversary of Alien.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I remember seeing a lot of those.
[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, that's neither here nor there.
[SPEAKER_04]: So let's move on to talking about Hermit and Windy.
[SPEAKER_04]: We meet Hermit as he listens to a baseball game on his way home from work as Windy watches and we learn a little bit about him and we're also introduced to Windy's ability to manipulate some forms of technology and we'll get into that later.
[SPEAKER_04]: We watch as windy watches hermit and we watch memories from their past.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then we also get the first introduction of the idea of Mr. October, which we'll talk about in episode two.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I Sage, who knew that I Sage was now canon to Alienverse.
[SPEAKER_04]: Lots of exposition and big scenes set up here with Wendy explaining to her stuffies, who Joe is and their family situation and all of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I love her line.
[SPEAKER_04]: I miss eating.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that would be hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, give up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Better would.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are either of you fans of Ice Age?
[SPEAKER_01]: My, my, my, my nephew it.
[SPEAKER_01]: My nephew who was almost six.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely is the, the little squirrel thing, chasing the acorn as a big.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is that, is that just a little know how he is, or can you pull anything from your knowledge of Ice Age into the show that's what I do.
[SPEAKER_04]: I went down a lot of rabbit holes and that's what I did now go down.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's just an hour whole years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like to turn to face my feelings.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're very wise.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I wonder if that's just like a personal something that his son or something like.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I guess you could say something about it being the end of the world or looking for
[SPEAKER_02]: a new place to live something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I, you know, I was a lamb before time kid and I feel like it shares some themes with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen the first one and I'm pretty sure I watched the second one because of my friend's kid, but I'm just not of the right age for the series.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's a moody storytelling here, too, with Hermit, transposition with Windy, and then Hermit watching the movie while the kids that ostensibly live in the house that he's renting a room from are on the other side of the curtain thing, so they're watching it in reverse.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's kind of an interesting point.
[SPEAKER_04]: If I remember right, like one room was very sort of blue in color.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: So he's doing a lot of interesting visual stuff there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Whether it's determinative or not, it's still just a lot of vibe coding of the show.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we then move on to the crash landing on Nusa.
[SPEAKER_04]: I am big set piece as we cross fade faces to harm it, hanging out with his unit.
[SPEAKER_04]: We meet Siberian and Rashidi when they could front Hermit about his medical school status.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we're also introduced to the other characters from Hermit's unit.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then we're treated to a front row scene of the Maginou crashing into some buildings in New Saiyam, Hermit and other security forces rushed to the scene.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we get a look at what a spaceship stuck in a building might actually look like.
[SPEAKER_04]: Pretty good, too, visually.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hermit Rashidian Siberian entered the ship, followed by some other squadmates, then they split up to search the ship.
[SPEAKER_04]: Alright, so this is our big set piece to, you know, start to bring the episode into a close look.
[SPEAKER_04]: What did you think of what we got so far here?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think Alicia mentioned the top of the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It really did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I think sometimes with the whole, with the whole alien universe, just how good it looks, kind of gets over, kind of gets, over-looked because, yeah, Ridley Scott, James Cameron, David Finch, you know, these are all directors and now we have to shoot, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Things but, but like, it just looked amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did think it was, I did think it was a bit weird that you have a certain rescue team that is really heavily armed.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have the same notes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: A little wire.
[SPEAKER_04]: What is a star team weapons up as they're going to search for survivors?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't get it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll take that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fair enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it looks amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you get sort of a sense in that scene that they are, you know, that they are they are contractors.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are they are company people.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are, you know, they are.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have signed up for a set amount of time and their job, their role is to get through it with the least amount of pain and danger possible.
[SPEAKER_04]: Great.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Alicia, oh no, the comms are down.
[SPEAKER_04]: Did the lack of communications trope affect you at all or are you fine?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, there's much discussion about this on the report, but like they just said they said they knocked out a tower.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, it's like fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess maybe they should have like satlink comms.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then, you know, and then I'm like, okay, it should have the ship.
[SPEAKER_02]: should have taken down a satellite as it came down.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know, maybe there will be some other explanation, but overall, no, it didn't bother me at all because I don't feel like they didn't change much about the story at this point to help her come down other than just like, I guess it made it a bit harder.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I'm trying to think what's in my episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes it a bit harder to find these people.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, just sort of they have to go off on their own.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're they're a little bit more isolated visually.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I did like, you know, you were talking about dystopia earlier.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I thought it was interesting that as they're entering the ground floor, what's on the ground floor?
[SPEAKER_04]: Retail space.
[SPEAKER_04]: The mannequins, the big video walls showing fancy people in fancy clothes.
[SPEAKER_04]: But then they go down one level, just one level and what's there?
[SPEAKER_04]: Shanty town style housing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's where the dog is and all the people are living.
[SPEAKER_04]: So like that dystopia that you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_04]: And of course, then we go up and then lit up upstairs.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's other things going on as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: But like right here at the street level, you have instantly material differences between standards of living and merchandising and what's available to different classes of people.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, so I thought that that fit very much into that to still be a picture.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're seeing literal strat, it's a strategy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can say this way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you're a monster.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can say it's a stratification of the classes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then it gave a weird aliens vibe as well because you're always looking in the shadows like where's the alien hiding?
[SPEAKER_04]: And if these mannequins, it was like creeping me out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's how Dr. Who referenced with the mannequins that you worry there might be monsters between them or coming in to some themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, sonic screw cast.
[SPEAKER_01]: when they do when they do go down that level.
[SPEAKER_01]: They actually they they do something that they do something that that actually puts one of my face because it's so rare that you see this when you have like a sartine
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, portrayed on TV.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were actually like, they were actually like marking corpses.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, um, for for a piece of tape.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a little bit little piece of tape.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, that is, that is like, it's a nice little detail because that is like standard saw practice.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't just, you don't just, even if there's nothing you can do for a person, even if they are dead, you mark their corpses.
[SPEAKER_04]: for for teams that come in after.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that kind of that kind of balanced out.
[SPEAKER_01]: They heavily armed.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, interesting.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then, you know, with the comms down, it's like, okay, I, you know, radiation from the ship or whatever, knocked out a tower.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, but still, and then you add in like, oh, look, a convenience steel girder.
[SPEAKER_04]: right next to an opening of a ship.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's just like, okay, I like I accepted for the premise of the show.
[SPEAKER_04]: We got to move the story along, but that doesn't expect those aliens, of course.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, but like, look, there's just an opening of the ship.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's go it.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, the girl.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was just two cents.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I have the first thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they don't know that there's going to be aliens in the shadows.
[SPEAKER_04]: But those guys, I'm not, I'm griping, but in a fun way, because you know, the story does have to go on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but no, but I just think it makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I have a question for Luke about the, you have the comments about the, look, the rescue team being armed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't they kind of remind you of the dual of the roles of the jack boots in silo?
[SPEAKER_04]: they did get what the it's the flag jackets on the helmet it's like really should they clearly show up at the same they clearly show up at home and poor this copia are yes one little shout out uh... one of the two guys at the end and i have their names later down here in the
[SPEAKER_04]: They are not, who is one of the two soldiers that enters later, is the same actor who plays Guy Talk from White Lotus season three.
[SPEAKER_04]: I recognize this voice and confirm that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I can out pronounce his name.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to make a mess of it, but anyway, just a fun little shout out, because we covered White Lotus earlier this year.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, it's time for a rescue.
[SPEAKER_04]: A moro.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like we didn't say, is this episode what happens?
[SPEAKER_02]: Where's that coming later?
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, so edited all that out.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're back now because we should figure out what was in what episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: Time for a rescue, Moro bus out of the impact room and sends a message to Wayland Utani headquarters.
[SPEAKER_04]: Meanwhile, Wendy is tested by Arthur.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we get a little set up here, a little Jacobian set up here to learn about her hearing that she can hear high frequencies.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then Wendy sees scenes from the rescue and sees her brother.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mr. NS briefs boy K on the crash.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's boy K's henchmen.
[SPEAKER_04]: Windy pitches the idea of the lost boys helping out at the crash site and boy K isn't intrigued and excited by the idea.
[SPEAKER_04]: Windy grabs her walrus and then a convenient paper cutter blade.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is another one that was like, man, okay, we cut to the scene of the lost boys hanging out and we learn a little bit more about them and their individual back stories.
[SPEAKER_04]: They load up in some vertical takeoff and landing craft.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe they're called wag tails.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's something floating around the internet, but I don't think it's a visual.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then they fly off to go to the rescue seat.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it sounds like the founders day festival.
[SPEAKER_04]: Fortunately, a lot of people were not out and about.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the death toll is not as high.
[SPEAKER_04]: Founder day festival.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought that was a nice little
[SPEAKER_04]: It's very silent.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then we got a triage rescue by income levels.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's again, our dystopian world.
[SPEAKER_04]: What did you make of Wendy's emotional drive to rescue her brother, Alicia?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think, well, we're going to talk about the next episode how it might be complicated.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then, so my thought, she says she wants to rescue him.
[SPEAKER_02]: My thought is that she wants to download him into a body like hers.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's too old though for the current technology.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm wondering, what if she is able to invent the next level of technology?
[SPEAKER_04]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's got the motivation and the supercomputer brain.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hmm, because we've seen her evolve even within the... Oh wait, is that in the next... Well, yeah, you said we saw her manipulate.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we saw her manipulate text, so we'll leave it there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then we get to see the kids be kids and I thought this was really fun or a me I just was hilarious with this little fart is Luke anything from these scenes that caught your eye Well, just to pick up on more on the maybe I'm skipping ahead a little bit, but just to pick up on what Alicia was saying There's the conversation between Wendy and Kosh in the in the the plane where oh, that's coming up
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay, I'll leave that for them, but I think that that conversation can just speak to what you would you would talk about, Alicia.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I've got to say I've got to say hunting Adrian Edmonds and playing boy Cavaliers, but let's slash Majdoma.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a bit weird because I've never seen Adrian Edmonds and play a dramatic role before.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've only ever seen him in combat.
[SPEAKER_04]: I've only ever seen him in combat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't recognize him.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a major at him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's quite, um, he's quite sort of famous in the UK as a sitcom.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: and like as a comedian and normally he plays very very very very broad slapstick interesting so to see him as like playing a dramatic character it was a little bit it was a little bit weird because I like to say I don't know I've never maybe somebody from the UK can correct me but I've never seen Adrian Edmondson play
[SPEAKER_01]: like drama.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have never seen anything that's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is really, it was really, I was like, what is that hatred?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, to like, you know, stay on to the end of the credits to work out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fair enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was strange.
[SPEAKER_04]: The, of course, we've got Wendy saying, I'm human, but then boy K throws a ball at her and so she's got, you know, superhuman reflexes.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, he's pretty excited by this, this idea.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think,
[SPEAKER_04]: the scene of her putting the paper cutter blade, magnetized to her spine is bad ass as hell.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm like, would they really let her do that?
[SPEAKER_04]: And that is a perfectly shaped paper cutter.
[SPEAKER_04]: And like, you know, she even changes uniform and she still has it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Keers never says it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nobody says anything.
[SPEAKER_04]: She walks into boy K's room.
[SPEAKER_04]: with the weapon.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he is his hubris is he thinks that they could never turn on him, but prediction somebody's going to turn on him.
[SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, but I do love to see that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it is badass.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like that it just magnetized to her spine.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like that was cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, back on the Maginot, two red shirts, find the lab, and Moro finds them.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, and a creepy crawly, Moro cuffs them to a pipe and continues a search.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hermiting friends in the cryo chamber, find evidence of the face huggers.
[SPEAKER_04]: I kind of like Moro stalking the hallways like a xenomorph himself.
[SPEAKER_04]: I really like the Moro character.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's intriguing because yeah, what is what is his deal?
[SPEAKER_02]: What is his is he just programmed as he have his own motivations is yeah how human is he I keep asking tell me
[SPEAKER_04]: We hit some nice echoing music with the horns.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know that sort of creepy aliens music.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I loved that because that was obviously it's an homage to the original Jerry Goldsmith's goal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: The original Jerry Goldsmith's goal was itself a homage to patent.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, interesting.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, oh my gosh, do I know my gosh?
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and how he's bringing it forward.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's like the, uh, the Deadpool thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a fourth wall break inside a fourth wall break.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like the, uh, that's like the, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
[SPEAKER_04]: We also learned that it seems like people have been dead for a while, so they died before the crash.
[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, we sort of knew that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we see some movement in the background shadows and things.
[SPEAKER_04]: So very, very creepy building up that tension.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's cocky and style.
[SPEAKER_04]: And lots of face huggers and chest bursts all pointing to the xenomorphic mystery.
[SPEAKER_04]: How did they get out?
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, what happened?
[SPEAKER_04]: People have even been clipping some scenes of like, did they, there was some chest, some face huggers on a table that have been being dissected and people have done some screen grabs and pointing out that there's some sort of little parasite thing that they had in a jar somewhere.
[SPEAKER_04]: So lots of mystery building.
[SPEAKER_04]: building up for the next scenes from the rest of the season.
[SPEAKER_04]: Height and a knot have a bad day.
[SPEAKER_04]: We get some proper horror as Nohali treats us to the character's height, who is the tall gentleman with the mustache and a knot, who is the guy talking in White Lotus III.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're attacked by a blood bug, which... Oh, yes!
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, Ellie, you were right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is what we were talking about earlier that we were right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Which which exanguenates hoit and then attacks a noughts?
[SPEAKER_04]: Would you guys make of this?
[SPEAKER_04]: This is some proper body horror here, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we was it was such a waste of guy talk.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was already I was invested in these two guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh come on let them live.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did that.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it's like the being handcuffed and and having the thing I mean that is proper proper horror.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: but like, you know, I was getting, I was getting proper rest of Kong.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, they are very good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: This thing is going to go in the rear, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: all encouraged with their bad and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, whoa, come on to they will come on to this when we talk about episode two but I think there are there are scenes in this first episode and this is one of where it's walking a very final line between your reaction being and your reaction being you
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's hard to, I mean, if you think about what Holly's doing here, the plate that he is spinning between the philosophical stuff, the sociological stuff, the body horror, the just regular horror horror, it's a lot that he's getting in here.
[SPEAKER_04]: So what do we know about the blood bugs so far?
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what people are calling it, blood bug, or the tick bug, some sort of leach or tick.
[SPEAKER_04]: It seems to attach itself to a vein to draw blood.
[SPEAKER_04]: The victim dies rapidly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe there's some paralytic venom in there to that it uses to aid in its process.
[SPEAKER_04]: Definitely seems to have some intelligence, some sort of ability to ambush, has web spinning capabilities and wall crawling abilities.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we don't know what the hum?
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if it makes silk.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we don't know, but we definitely see it dripping down with some.
[SPEAKER_04]: And is there some sort of what other life cycles we don't know yet?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, what does it do once it's gorge on the flood?
[SPEAKER_04]: So this is the audio clip and the thing that Luke said earlier about Kirish in the aircraft.
[SPEAKER_04]: As the kids play, Kirish reminds Windy of our humble origins, as formerly a member of the food chain.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then we seesaw back and forth to the danger that hermit is in and Windy vows to save him.
[SPEAKER_04]: And here's the clip from Kirish.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's to be food, you know.
[SPEAKER_05]: Me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Humanity.
[SPEAKER_05]: Your lives were short and selfless fear.
[SPEAKER_05]: Then your brains grew.
[SPEAKER_05]: You built tools and used them to conquer nature.
[SPEAKER_05]: You built impossible machines and one to space.
[SPEAKER_05]: You stopped being food.
[SPEAKER_05]: or I should say, you told yourself, you weren't food anymore.
[SPEAKER_05]: But in the animal kingdom, there is always someone bigger or smaller who would eat you alive if they had the chance.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what it is to be an animal.
[SPEAKER_05]: newborn, you live, you die.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got big-time dune references here about what it is to be human versus a stimulus response animal.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you would do think Keir thinks he's more human than the humans in those terms in the terms of dune and the human test.
[SPEAKER_04]: I hadn't thought about it in relation to Keir himself because I kind of think of him as a walking LLM.
[SPEAKER_04]: because boy Cavalier says later, is that in this episode?
[SPEAKER_04]: When he describes, yeah, it must be an episode or something.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna save that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was getting big time David, the Android from Prometheus and Covenant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is, you know, do I want to be human?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that why?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that actually what I'm shooting for Aurora?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or actually other actually better, higher forms of existence.
[SPEAKER_01]: And sort of, you know, who makes
[SPEAKER_01]: who made you humanity at the top of the tree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, Timothy Oliphant in the room.
[SPEAKER_01]: He really knows how to deliver a line.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if he knows about because again, I mean, yeah, we know where they're not really going to explicitly probably connect this with the prequel movies, but would he know about David and the, you know, did they collect this particular specimen of the Xenomorph by accident?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or did they know that it was out there to go get?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, also, there's the bleach blonde hair as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know David was doing that because of like, Lawrence of Arabia.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it seems like the whole Roy Batty, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he looks undeniably like Roy Batty.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's usually when I went to dental.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I really want to know, like, in the same way that, um, with a media clock, is that actually Timothy Olethon's hair?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or is that a wig?
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a good point.
[SPEAKER_04]: It does look like his hair.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would appreciate his act.
[SPEAKER_04]: If his portrayal that if he died his hair for the for that, that would be like all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is the died eyebrows to do it for me?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's a little system roots behind them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it almost looks like three dimensional.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I seem to remember and interview the media caught.
[SPEAKER_01]: The bites we said you have to start wearing the blonde wig because that dye was basically destroying a hair.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I used to die my hair and I had to I used to bleach it and I had to stop because I just broke Yeah, just gets brittle I looked this idea to the the power of human narratives and John has talked about this in prior podcasts in our past that this idea that what is our
[SPEAKER_04]: or narratives drive us and are the mythologies that we have about ourselves.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I like this idea that we just decided to stop considering ourselves food and then that was a state change or a transformation in our appreciation, that it's not the technology that allowed us to doing it, but it gave us the vision to start building machines that could build machines.
[SPEAKER_04]: that it was sort of this, you know, source point of like, okay, we're done being that, we're gonna go do this now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe also it's talking about boy Cavalier, because he is now one of the people at the top of the pile, he forgets that he is himself vulnerable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he never really learned the lesson of his own vulnerable vulnerability.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think, I mean, if one of these children doesn't kill him, then I lose my internet points.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's so pretty.
[SPEAKER_01]: It won't be one of the children.
[SPEAKER_01]: It won't be a xenomorph.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it will be a xenomorph.
[SPEAKER_04]: But that would be what you would expect, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It would.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like the bad guy falling off the side of the building.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there is a reason why bad guys fall off the side of the building.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very satisfying way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it will be satisfying if one of his own creations took him out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, well, I think we're here at the end amazingly.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought we would be longer, but we actually made.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can I just pull on, I see a note that you have here that you didn't mention, the way he's scratching her neck.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he says, have itchy skin.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was just thinking about, because we were just talking about the Android David from the prequels dying, his hair.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we do see in the second movie, the hair has grown out.
[SPEAKER_02]: He ends up cutting it off in the start again.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, this makes me wonder, like, do, I guess, since our, or at least some since are growing hair and what is, like, is this the, what is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, the milk is like, like, excretions of the protein that's powering this, and also just the thought about where Dame Sylvia is saying,
[SPEAKER_02]: In these episodes, she's talking about maintaining the humanity of the hybrids.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and this is why they want to put, she wants to put the hybrids through puberty, even though puberty annoying or emotions are annoying.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, she says, we want to tether them to the humanity.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I could see them possibly indeed having them, you know, have sensors all over their skin.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would make sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: They should be able to feel things.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, that might make them itchy too.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's more humanizing thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: right and then she would have had that experience of being itchy in the past and so maybe that reflexes there even though because sometimes we touch ourselves you know even when we didn't we're not itching right so yeah there's that's true too yeah
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and then later there's another scene where I see where we see Kirish, rub the side of his nose or something like that, and you're like, what, why is an Android doing that?
[SPEAKER_04]: But then Ash in the movie was sleeping in a cryopod and was having breakfast with everybody, but he was masquerading.
[SPEAKER_04]: We didn't know yet that he was, and seeing that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: So there's a lot of biological function that's present.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Ash, yeah, Ash, several points in Alien, Scratches decided his head.
[SPEAKER_01]: Keep straight.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like I said, I watched Alien the other day, and it's a brilliant piece of acting from me in Hong, because it's that scene where he jogs on the spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the moment we think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, so I don't know in what way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think he was a robot, but wait, something is weird here.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is he doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll mind me also of murder about in the books at one point He talks it talks about how it Programs itself to so the people don't notice that it's not like a complete human that it's a programs itself to shift its weight every at random intervals while standing somewhere so people don't see it standing on naturally still
[SPEAKER_04]: rate that would be a total uncanny valley thing if a bipedal you know human form was just standing their rock solid right yeah with no sort of internal sort of moving yeah that would be really creepy
[SPEAKER_04]: get it get it all right so well we we close this out with the determination of windy to save her brother as you said and then we get the raw sounds of Ronnie James Dio singing the nineteen d one black Sabbath song the mob rules
[SPEAKER_04]: And I guess that Noah Holly is going to be using these arena rocks songs at the end of every episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: We have two episodes now.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we got two, two evidences of that.
[SPEAKER_04]: But apparently, he's mentioned that this idea that this kind of really invigorating song elevates the experience of the episode, sort of synthesizes things, and then propels you forward into the next episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it seems like the songs all have some thematic elements.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if either of you are Black Sabbath fans at all in your past.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but that's sort of caught me really off guard, because that's not what you're expecting, Amy, in the TV show to sound like.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think it goes to what you were saying before Luke about the fact that Holly is he's rooted in a world, but he is still himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but for first watch through that, that really did take me quite by surprise.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was what I was expecting at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alicia.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think that it's, um, I like rock music.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, not particularly like black Sabbath.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, another pro, nor anti black Sabbath.
[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought that, uh, just the sort of metalness of it goes very well with the aesthetics and themes of the alien franchise.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then the lyrics to close the city and tell the people that something's coming to call death and darkness are rushing forward to take a bite from the wall.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think they've, I think he's chosen and obviously we won't talk about the episode too song until we get there.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I think he's choosing these very carefully and making sure that there is poetry between the lyrics of the music and themes of the episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: So
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's kind of a cool thing, too, to do something different.
[SPEAKER_02]: Makes me glad I turned off the auto play next episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, so you can hear the whole song.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I think we've made it to the episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: That wasn't too bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was envisioning a much longer conversation, but we did a good job.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot to set up.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, a lot.
[SPEAKER_04]: Alicia and Luke, you are both on the wool shift dust podcast.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you want to talk a little bit, Ray, silo is off air right now, but do you want to talk a little bit about what you got going on and what you do over there?
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So obviously, yeah, we have covered all of what silo, big in twenty three.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Christmas, the Christmas Carol, if we go deep on a Christmas Carol.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like to make some note.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what's we have been working on?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sorry for anyone who's been waiting for the episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been dealing with real-life stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And hey, if you know any jobs in podcasting or entertainment journalism, I'm looking at Alicia at lowerhounds.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so I've been really caught up in dealing with a lot of real life things.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this Monday is the new plan to release the episode that you are actually on David as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So kick off our tune book.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we already have an episode out.
[SPEAKER_02]: People can listen to and the will shift dust about the background on the doom books.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the next one is breaking down the first section of the doom book.
[SPEAKER_04]: Very cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: And what's the word on the street for the next season of silo?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's been filmed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think they're actually starting filming season four shortly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They plan that so that they could do it pretty much back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: It saves a money and all that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm anticipating a similar.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm hoping they hold it till January this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did not appreciate the December beginning of the season.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would like them to just start in January.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we'll say no word on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I would anticipate a winter release again.
[SPEAKER_04]: Great.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we're going to end it here and we're going to take a break and then we're going to come right back to the microphones and get into episode two.
[SPEAKER_04]: So these are going to be two separate episodes so that you can listen to them independently and yeah, I think that's it.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll talk to you in a few minutes on episode two.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thanks, everyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bye.
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