[SPEAKER_05]: Any Chris in the hand is worth two in the bush.
[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Reketopia, a happy home for Reketited movies, TV shows, music, video games, foodstuffs, and more from three people you can definitely trust.
[SPEAKER_02]: Trustability varies by region no guarantees implied.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now here are your hosts, Chris Akins and Jeremy Scott and Erin Dyson.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you show me four percent?
[SPEAKER_00]: Four percent would result in irreversible damage to your retinas.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hello everyone, it is episode one hundred and seventy five of Rekotopia.
[SPEAKER_03]: My name is Chris Atkinson joined by Jeremy Scott.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hello everybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: and joined by Aaron Dyser, highly host Solar Enos.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And today's big recommend is going to be sunshine from the year two thousand seven Danny Boyle directed.
[SPEAKER_03]: We also would like to welcome chat who've come out here to watch us talk about movies on a Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much, chat for coming out.
[SPEAKER_03]: We appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get on to our small recommends.
[SPEAKER_03]: No big deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so small and light.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's small.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's tiny.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's petite.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's weak.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Jeremy, what do you got for us?
[SPEAKER_03]: We small.
[SPEAKER_02]: A movie that I saw several years ago and then in some kind of conversation with Aaron, I dismissed it to set it in like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember if this was in person or on Slack or on a podcast or what.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Aaron was like, oh, I kind of thought it was charming.
[SPEAKER_02]: If forgot all about it, and then about six, five, six months ago, it happens to be on TV.
[SPEAKER_02]: I watch it again, and this time I find it charming.
[SPEAKER_02]: So much so that I showed it to my wife on Saturday, and she found it charming, and now I'm going to show it to my mother at some point.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's called The Big Year.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's from two thousand eleven.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and this is a bird watching movie with Jack Black Owen Wilson and Steve Martin actually listened to the rest of this cast Rashida Jones and Jessica Houston Jim Parsons, Rosenman Pike, Brian Dennehy, Diane Weast, Anthony Anderson, Tim Blake Nelson, Joel McCail,
[SPEAKER_02]: Corbin birds in Kevin Pollock and John Cleese.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's quite the cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a stacked cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is about three different individuals who all embark on what's called a big year where you try to see as many species of birds in North America as possible within a single calendar year.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is actually based on a true story.
[SPEAKER_02]: They changed the names, they've fancified a few elements, but this is based on three real guys that did this in nineteen ninety-eight, I believe.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just pretty charming.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jack Black's character has no life whatsoever, no direction, but he loves birds, so he decides to do a big year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Steve Martin is a CEO who's made millions, and he's about to retire, and he's got one last chance to do a big year.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Owen Wilson is the best birder in the world who has the record.
[SPEAKER_02]: And everyone keeps running into each other at these locations and denying they're doing a big year.
[SPEAKER_02]: This would be a spiritual double feature with Ben Stillers, Secret Live of Walter Mitty.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it's got people chasing big dreams in far away remote locals with an amazing soundtrack.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: This movie The Big Year is on HBO Max right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: We does not have a great rotting tomatoes score, but I found it charming.
[SPEAKER_02]: My wife really enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my small recommend for this week.
[SPEAKER_05]: So there are two possibilities of what's going on here.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't remember ever seeing this movie.
[SPEAKER_05]: So one possibility is that I saw it, had a conversation with you, and then it completely left my brain.
[SPEAKER_05]: That is a very real possibility.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I don't remember anything about this movie.
[SPEAKER_05]: I haven't logged it on letterboxed.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the other possibility is that it was somebody else.
[SPEAKER_05]: who told you about this movie and that is also real possibility as well, I guess, but it could be, it could be somebody else, but but it sounds great.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll have to watch it and maybe if I watch it, I'll be like, hey, I watched this.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: That happened sometimes, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember this coming out and the reviews turned me away from it so I I just Sort of just Didn't watch it and but it's always the poster was seeing these guys on it have always made me want to see it every time every time it comes up I'm like these guys I like these guys So let's let and maybe I should give that a shot maybe I shouldn't this is the first time I've heard somebody say something good when you
[SPEAKER_03]: hanging out with these guys and movies you're gonna have a decent time watching this yeah yeah and when you were talking about this on snake the other day I can fuse this movie I was not that did not delve into what movie you were talking about I thought you were talking about the Russell Crow movie a good year the Ridley Scott the directed movie that was like two thousand six somewhere around there
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like oh really you kind of you like that movie I haven't seen it since it came out I don't remember that being good or charming or anything but you know So yeah when this popped up I was like oh he meant this he did not mean a good year okay
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you got for us there?
[SPEAKER_05]: I am going to a small recommend a movie that is out on VOD now called the life of Chuck.
[SPEAKER_05]: So this is this is one of those
[SPEAKER_05]: In my opinion, great blind movies, of course, I feel that way about most movies, but this has a really fun, three-act structure that reveals itself in a really interesting way.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I'll try not to spoil too much of it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's safe to say in it's about an accountant named Chuck and what his life is like and what is important in his life.
[SPEAKER_05]: The movie deals in themes of
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, embracing moments, understanding the things people around you are going through, understanding how each of us have this entire world that we're in that other people don't know about with minutia and altitudes and it is beautifully written, it is based on a, I think a story and a Stephen King series of collection of stories.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it is beautifully adapted here.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I was very moved during this movie.
[SPEAKER_05]: I am susceptible to schmalt more than most people I think.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I know for some this may seem a bit saccharine or schmaltsy, but it really, really worked for me.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think the structure is a big part of that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'd recommend checking it out.
[SPEAKER_05]: And again, you may think it's too small.
[SPEAKER_05]: It does have too much narration.
[SPEAKER_05]: I will say that was the one negative for me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Nick Offerman does the narration.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it just feels like he's reading some of the Stephen King story, but there's so much of it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I wouldn't mind if it was like the beginning of each act.
[SPEAKER_05]: He did just did a little narration, but it's just through each act.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, Nick Offerman will come in and tell us what the characters are feeling and thinking.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's just, it's a little much.
[SPEAKER_05]: But it still works for me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, this is the Mike Flanagan adaptation.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's pretty straight up horror, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: He, well, yeah, the TV shows that I've seen, which I also love.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, or more horror movie than this.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is more sci-fi than horror.
[UNKNOWN]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's also, it sounds like he's got kind of a relationship with Stephen King to this point where King is kind of like, you know, giving him his blessings, so to speak, to do a lot of these things.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure how it all works.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure Flanagan just like, I like this Stephen King's story.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna do that one and then he just does it, but maybe Stephen King is kind of
[SPEAKER_03]: It kind of reminds me of the days of like Frank Deribot was doing, you know, Stephen, all these Stephen King adaptations and everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rob Reiner had a had a little run there too for a little bit, but there's a book movie club nearby where they read a book and then they watch the movie based on the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in the fall, they're doing the shining.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Like those are two circumstances.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you look at Stephen King's adaptations that are coming out.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's so many.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's already been, of course, he already has this long body of work where there's just been tons of material generated from it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But look at what's coming out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like just insane amount of things, just mind from his stories and everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: the long walk is a big one that's coming out later on and I don't think it was his first wasn't I don't know I'm not sure about that but that but I could be wrong and somebody's doing a fresh TV show adaptation of that one that everybody always screws up the man in the tower of the tower of the dark tower dark tower
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the man in the tower of darkness You know the last time the last time they tried to do it They're like let's fit everything into one movie for some reason.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's not let's not make that a franchise that you know everybody would have probably had a door to if anybody would got behind it earning things
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he is, if you look up prolific in the dictionary, it's Stephen King's picture next to it.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's insane what he generates.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think a lot of the reason so much of it gets adapted is his attitude towards adaptation is so good.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like he's just like, I wrote my stories, go ahead, you know, adapt it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like he doesn't get precious about it.
[SPEAKER_05]: He gets exact when it's wrong or whatever, but he still lets it go into the world, you know, like, so that's really interesting knowing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, famously, hated the shining because it took away from what the whole story was about and everything, even though if you've never read the shining, you watch the shining, you're like, oh, that's a great movie, but, you know, she just says, Flanagan's also the one doing the dark tower.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, that's the present.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not surprising at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would say so.
[SPEAKER_03]: I went to the theater over the weekend and watch the movie weapons, which I believe was number one domestically over the weekend.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was a shocker to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had no idea that this was on that kind of a track.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I saw a preview of this maybe one time.
[SPEAKER_03]: And when somebody told me they were going to go watch it, I was like,
[SPEAKER_03]: What's that movie?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I decided to do the Aaron Dice or thing, not watch trailer.
[SPEAKER_03]: But this movie is got the premise of basically one morning at two, seventeen, all these kids in this one classroom.
[SPEAKER_03]: all get up from their beds and run out and nobody sees them again.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so the the whole thing is basically so you have one kid who has survived in the classroom and the teacher the teachers played by Julia Garner.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and of course, if something like this happens, of course, everybody's going to blame the teacher.
[SPEAKER_03]: What did you do?
[SPEAKER_03]: Why did did you do something with these kids that made them run out of the house at two, seventeen exactly?
[SPEAKER_03]: And, and so she is dealing with that, dealing with the town.
[SPEAKER_03]: on all of this meanwhile we have a father played by Josh Brolin who is very right just like angry about it and thanks to Julie Garner's behind it and wants to figure it out he's going very deep on his investigation of it and everything basically this movie goes through
[SPEAKER_03]: five or six perspectives of you know it doesn't tell a linear type of story until it finally gets to some sort of apex point and I don't want to tell you too much about this because you kind of want to figure out yourself and that's the marketing of this movie to the marketing of this movie was basically we're not going to tell you anything
[SPEAKER_03]: This is what it's kind of about, do you want to see it or not?
[SPEAKER_03]: Apparently a lot of people did.
[SPEAKER_03]: But this is, this is the same guy who did Barbarian.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I don't know what you guys think of Barbarian.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really liked Barbarian.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that was a, I was a unique perspective on horror movies.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was never anything that you could put your finger on where it was going.
[SPEAKER_03]: and was was quietly hilarious through through moments of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: This movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: is hilarious in so many spots, like you would never expect it to be just laugh out loud funny with the subject matter involved and everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yes, no as little as possible when you go to watch this, although it may be impossible at this point, considering how big a movie it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: But go in there and see it as if you haven't seen it go see it with little as little spots will maybe see it with a with a crowd all the my crowd was very good Did not say a damn word the entire time the wasn't even even crinkling a pop corn bags.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how quiet it was in the in the movie theater So you can define yourself a decent crowd and people who were and you know who are
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, being civil, then you can want this movie is great to watch and theaters right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there you go.
[SPEAKER_05]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_05]: I, what, this is just been a great summer for movies.
[SPEAKER_05]: It had been several that I've really, really liked.
[SPEAKER_05]: And weapons is another one.
[SPEAKER_05]: I, the humor was just completely caught me off guard.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's so good in our, our theater was rolling through this movie at point.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just like,
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not the easiest tone to balance.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, when you're doing a dark story like this and having to be this funny, but just the way he edits some of these responses, some of the visuals, what it does is it creates almost an authenticity to what's going on because it makes it feel like it's existing in a real world where people would be like.
[SPEAKER_05]: What, you know, like instead of because in most horror movies people like, you know, they're always scared and it's always dark and everybody's but but you know, real people with face off some of this stuff would just just, you know, be WTF like it would just be like that would be there their reaction and I think that gives it this kind of
[SPEAKER_05]: bit of authenticity to what goes on in here.
[SPEAKER_05]: Plus it's structured really well.
[SPEAKER_05]: It develops really well.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's the performances are incredible.
[SPEAKER_05]: Austin Abrams who plays a druggy in this movie.
[SPEAKER_05]: My BVMVP for me.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he's so good.
[SPEAKER_05]: You may remember him from Euphoria.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you watch Euphoria, he has a fairly decent role in that.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's always good to see Toby Huss show up.
[SPEAKER_05]: Love that guy.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's good.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's good to Benedict Wong who will talk more about on this episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure he's really good in this too.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, just lots, lots of really good things and just a really great watch.
[SPEAKER_05]: Very entertaining.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Julia Garner is great performance.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then there's, I don't know if I even want to bother telling you who another great performance is in this because it might even tell you even more about what's going on in the movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I will say this.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is this is very vague.
[SPEAKER_03]: There is a very, I'm one day I want to be able to talk about this openly.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's a near fatal plot flaw in this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not nearly enough to make me start going.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not anything like that, but it's something that I think in real life quote unquote this movie probably doesn't happen anyway.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's get on to our big recommend and it's Jeremy's big recommend the movie is sunshine Jeremy
[SPEAKER_03]: Take it away.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just that you're so big.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good role, but it's bigger than growth.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's bigger on the inside.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I noticed.
[SPEAKER_02]: My headphones are making my hair look poofy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love high-concept science fiction movies.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: We open on one of my favorite movie gimmicks, having the opening logo transition into the first shot of the film, or otherwise being manipulated to match the theme of the movie like when Universal logo flooded the whole Earth before Waterworld.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, we open on the Sun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Narration tells us the Sun is dying and humanity faces extinction.
[SPEAKER_02]: Seven years ago, we are told the Ecarus Project was sent on a mission to restart the Sun, but was lost before reaching it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know what happened to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: As we learn this is sort of a captain's log, we find out the second mission.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Icarus II, I really wish they'd chosen a different name other than going with Icarus II because there's so much Icarus Icarus Icarus back and forthing in this movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Icarus II is sixteen months into its attempt to restart the song.
[SPEAKER_02]: We then cut to the observation portal of the ship, where we learn they can change the shading on the window, and that they are only able to look at the sun at about one or two percent of its true brightness.
[SPEAKER_02]: A zero, who's played by Cliff Curtis, bumps that up from two to three percent, and has a semi-religious experience in the sunlight, and this will be important later.
[SPEAKER_02]: He shares that experience with his fellow crew members over a meal.
[SPEAKER_02]: At the same meal, we learn that due to solar winds, they are about to lose the ability to send messages back to Earth.
[SPEAKER_02]: We then see Robert Kappa, played by Killian Murphy, send a message to his parents.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next, we see Michelle Yeau's character, Corazon, which means heart and spanish, or I think interrupting Kaneida's light meditation in the observation room to deliver a report that the ship has plenty of oxygen supply.
[SPEAKER_02]: They muse about the original Icarus project and how it could not have been oxygen that led to their demise.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then everyone has to break up a fight between Chris Evans' mace and Kappa because Kappa took over an hour sending his messages, and now the solar winds are too high for mace to send his own final messages.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like a probably doomed to die mission to restart the sun should have more than one video camera to record messages to send to Earth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mace has a psych session after this with Cyril who is the Ships Psychiatrist.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is sentenced to two hours in the earth room and a haircut.
[SPEAKER_02]: The earth room is basically a Star Trek holiday.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't interact with.
[SPEAKER_02]: He enjoys his time watching waves and then goes and quote unquote apologizes to Capitol.
[SPEAKER_02]: Late at night, Canada watches captains long from the original Icarus and we see Mark Strong's pinbacker, the captain of that vessel, relaying a story about a space miss him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mace while fixing something drops a wrench into super cold water, and Rene reaches in to get the wrench he hurts his arm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then everyone gathers in the observation room to watch Mercury pass across the sun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone is properly awed and mesmerized.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next we see Harvey stick his face into a glowy green laser thing, and then inform the rest of the crew that he heard a message while doing maintenance on the comms equipment, the main strokes that Harvey likes to listen to space music.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems the metal content of Mercury acted as an antenna and boosted a signal, so they listened to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the original Icarus one's distress beacon.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when they plot the course to the signal, it's remarkably close to their own trajectory toward the Sun.
[SPEAKER_02]: They debate a bit, but decide ultimately to adjust course and investigate the Icarus one more to get the unused payload than to save people because two payloads is better than one.
[SPEAKER_02]: The ultimate decision here is made by Kappa.
[SPEAKER_02]: After the captain, Kaneda and others defer to his expertise.
[SPEAKER_02]: As the ship slingshots around Mercury, we see that Sero is still using the extra bright observation room to essentially trip out and get high.
[SPEAKER_02]: That we cannot know for sure if his buns are out while the sun's out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am immediately sorry for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I missed opportunity.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can believe we missed opportunity.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, and the alarm goes off and wakes everyone up as they learn that when the new course was input, trade forgot to also recalibrate the shields.
[SPEAKER_02]: and now the son tray has been a dick wrong, by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now the son has done some damage to their ship, but the sensors are dead, so they have to go out and inspect it manually to find out what's wrong with the pants.
[SPEAKER_02]: The captain volunteers and no one tries to stop him, which is odd, because Star Trek has taught me that the captain can damn well go on any away mission he wants to, but not without someone reminding him that he's the captain and he should stay on the ship.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then inexplicably, Mace volunteers Kappa to be the other man and everyone just accepts it.
[SPEAKER_02]: As they gear up, the two men, to spacewalk, I think it's worth pointing out that Sarah is currently wearing his sunglasses in regular lighting.
[SPEAKER_02]: The ones that he wears to trip sunshine balls in the observation room.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I got to stop here and say, I love the ugly, clunky gold space suits.
[SPEAKER_02]: And apparently, the snout was inspired by Kenny from South Park.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is not a joke.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you learn that, you can't learn to see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I love these suits.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love the spacewalk sequence.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can feel the danger and the claustrophobia, especially with Kappa.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think that Killing Murphy is the standout performance of this movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: And really gives it what weight it does have.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, we hear some scary noises, but Mason warns us that it's just the metal on the shield expanding and contracting after having been moved into a new position relative to the sun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Corazon snips the she already knew that and calls Mason fly bowray and I don't understand this insult.
[SPEAKER_02]: His pilot is piloting the spacecraft not something these scientists respect and realize going like Mason, but he was just trying to call him everybody down.
[SPEAKER_02]: We also get a very cool visual reminder of the sheer power of the sun's heat.
[SPEAKER_02]: As it instantly burns away most of the edge of one of the ship's rotating antennas that is exposed to the sun after the shield realignment.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll stop here to say, anytime anything in this movie goes into the full sunlight and gets poofed, I find it very satisfying, even when it's Harvey.
[SPEAKER_02]: At the first panel, the spacewalkers find the hydraulics are burned out and easily fix it.
[SPEAKER_02]: On the rotating antenna's second pass into the sunlight, somehow sunlight is redirected and hits Icarus II, damaging the garden.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the crew doesn't know it at first.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, once the ship starts venting oxygen and moving because of it, they realize something's wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: They try to override the change in course, but the computer does a hound nine thousand impression and refuses to let them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mace refuses to join Cassie, who is Rose Burn and not sure of mention her yet, and that's weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, he refuses to join her and override in the computer, and ultimately, the spacewalking captain agrees that he and Kappa are expendable.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the ship and its interior cruise, she do everything they can to protect the payload, not save them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cassie is horrified at Mace, but it's only because she's not thinking clearly right now in pretty sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cores own, who raced down to her garden to try and save it, collapses and sobs as the crew flooded with more oxygen to burn it out faster.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kaneda and Kappa keep working on the open panels.
[SPEAKER_02]: They all have to be closed or the mission is screwed.
[SPEAKER_02]: With only one left to repair, Kaneda orders Kappa back to the airlock so at least one of them can be saved.
[SPEAKER_02]: as Canadian floats into the sun's power, Cyril, who now has obvious burn marks on his face, begs him over the radio to tell him what he sees.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's clear, Cyril has become one with us.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's clear, Cyril has it becoming one with the sun addiction.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the rest of the country should lock him in a holding cell.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kappa barely makes it behind the shield before the full sun effects hit the ship.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the wake of the tragedy, Tre is deemed by Cero to be a suicide risk.
[SPEAKER_02]: Though Cero somehow doesn't see a suicide risk when he looks in the mirror.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, Tre is sedated, Harvey, who was second in command assumes control of the ship.
[SPEAKER_02]: We learn this weirdly while Harvey seemingly records a Captain's long, right in front of the rest of the crew, as no one notices Cyril picking charred bits of skin off of his face except for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: The oxygen garden we learn is completely dead, and a bunch of their stores of oxygen burned up in the fire.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't even have enough oxygen to get to their payload delivery point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually wait, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have enough oxygen to get there.
[SPEAKER_02]: If three of the current crew members die really soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: This point is decided there's no option but to intercept Ikaris I for its possible oxygen supplies.
[SPEAKER_02]: They pull up to the Ikaris I and combine the two ships' suns shields, then they detach and move their core ship over beside Ikaris I's core vessel so they can dock and board it.
[SPEAKER_02]: As they step aboard, we, the audience, get Tyler Durden's style, quick, short-frame flashes of scary faces and other disturbing images and quick snapshots.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's weird, and foreboding, and never really comes back in any important way.
[SPEAKER_02]: If this one is full of dust, which several notes is usually made up of eighty-some percent human skin.
[SPEAKER_02]: This could be important later.
[SPEAKER_02]: The crew splits up to cover ground faster.
[SPEAKER_02]: They quickly discover that the Icarus one's oxygen garden is alive and thriving, meaning it's producing oxygen.
[SPEAKER_02]: They find plenty of water and food.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything is just caked and dust, but they don't find the crew.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the oxygen garden, Harvey finds the vegetation lush and too thick to really move through it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just stand a message from Pinbacher, the commander of Vicarus I, springs to life on a screen in the cockpit where mace is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It states that they have abandoned their mission.
[SPEAKER_02]: All Icarus II crew members can hear and see this message by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pinbacher rants about foolish dreams and not challenging God.
[SPEAKER_02]: They determined the message was recorded around the time, Icarus I should have been delivering the payload.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kappa finds the payload and determines it is in fine shape.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, Mace finds the cause of the distress signal, and it's a sabotage bit of cool attack.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we cut to a somehow no longer sedated tray back on Icarus II, and he looks like he's gonna do some shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sir, of course, goes to the observation room.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there, he finds the crew of Icarus one dead, having been burned by the full power of the sun.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is as disturbing as it sounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Suddenly, something breaks free, and the ships are decoupled violently.
[SPEAKER_02]: The damage means they can't dock again, and since all four crew members came over to Icarus one without space suits,
[SPEAKER_02]: That means this time for one of my favorite sci-fi scenes ever, as they tried them in a diaper away for them to use cold shielding blankets from Icarus one to Star Trek into darkness their way back onto Icarus two, hold onto your butt.
[SPEAKER_02]: They find a single space suit, but before they can send back Kappa who is the physicist and the only person capable of delivering the payload, Harvey shows his true colors by insisting he be the person allowed to live.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's at this moment that the IMDB note saying they named this character Harvey after Danny Boyle's negative interactions with Harvey Weinstein on train spotting, finally makes perfect sets.
[SPEAKER_02]: The best line in the movie is when Mace says to Kappa that they'll use the exploding air force of Icarus ones opening airlock to shoot him into the open airlock of Icarus two and then ends his sentence with and so will we and Corazon says without suits when I just think it's really good writing to kind of build the tension up there They realize one of them has to stay behind to manually operate the airlock from the inside and that's the cool wrinkle
[SPEAKER_02]: But I wonder why Kappa can't open the airlock from the inside since he's in the space.
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, it ends up not being anywhere near that easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know only Kappa and Mace make it as Harvey is lost to space, and there's a tiny poof of an explosion as Harvey floats outside the range of the sun shields.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mace, who was only wrapped in space blankets, has a lot of freeze damage on his person, particularly his hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Surrow now alone, boardicker's wand goes to his happy place, the observation room, or he puts on his glasses and allows himself to be obliterated with the rest oficker's wand as the ship enters direct sunlight.
[SPEAKER_02]: The remaining crew on Icarus II discovered that someone had uncoupled the airlock that caused the explosion, and by process of elimination determined that it was tray.
[SPEAKER_02]: Complicating the issue is that there's not only enough oxygen for four crew members to make it to the bombing location, for the sake of the mission, they decide to kill tray with mace, volunteering because fucking courts mace would volunteer to do murder.
[SPEAKER_02]: Khazie is the only holdout, but mace decides to do it anyway, only to discover that tray has already killed himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mace puts the blame for all the deaths squarely on Kappa.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he literally wipes trays blood on Kappa's hand and that's it for Kappa.
[SPEAKER_02]: He snaps and the two men are once again fighting.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this fight ends as quickly as it started as the women to stainfully leave the panting men behind in the hallway reminding them oxygen is low and they should limit exertions, which I guess means no one is getting any tonight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because Kappa, the astronauts are dying.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says he knows that.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just need to live long enough to deliver the payload.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Icarus chillingly replies that Kappa will not live long enough to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just simply isn't enough air.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to be dead in sixteen hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is then revealed by the computer.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are five crew members aboard this ship, even though there should only be full and have you figured it out yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Captain learns the fifth crew member is in the observation room, and when he arrives, it's super freaking bright in there, and there's a figure lying on the ground.
[SPEAKER_02]: The figure asks if Kappa is an angel.
[SPEAKER_02]: If the time has come, he's been waiting so long, he says.
[SPEAKER_02]: The man turns out to be pin-backer, whom Kappa recognizes only for pin-backer to attack at a knife slice.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was pin-backer who boarded Icarus II back when the two ships were docked, and then manually decoupled the airlock, not tread.
[SPEAKER_02]: Caput runs out in Orr's Icarus to go to full sunlight in the observation room to try and kill Pinbacker, but it doesn't work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he is pursued into an airlock where Pinbacker traps him inside by locking it outside.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pinbacker then tries to disable a ship by removing its mainframe computers from their cooling tanks.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the destroyed and flooded oxygen garden, Corazon finds a living plant growing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But is then stabbed suddenly by Pinbacker and kill.
[SPEAKER_02]: Shortly after that, power to the ship shuts down, which wakes up Cassie and concerns Mace, who goes looking for the problem and finds the mainframes out of their coolant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, Cassie is in the hallway and spots pinbacker who attacks and chases her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mace manages to get enough power to speak to Kappa and learn about pinbacker being on board.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then he asked to dunk himself in the hyper-cold water to manually resubmurch the main frames.
[SPEAKER_02]: He partially succeeds in restoring power, giving Cassian of light to see an attack pinbacker before she retreats into the body of the payload.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maze Radio's Kappa and tells him to change the ship's course manually.
[SPEAKER_02]: He then is trapped by one of the main frames crushing his leg and he dies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kappa puts on a space suit and welds a single hole in the interior airlock door and then blows the outer airlock door which in turn blows the inner lock airlock door and it's a super clever bit of science.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kappa is now free but still in a cumbersome space suit.
[SPEAKER_02]: He gets the payload ready to be deployed and starts the countdown.
[SPEAKER_02]: He falls down, it is suit.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then, after screaming, wheels himself back to his feet.
[SPEAKER_02]: He then boards the payload, just as it launches, and the Icarus is destroyed in the sunshine.
[SPEAKER_02]: But on board the payload, the first thing he spots is a bloody handprint.
[SPEAKER_02]: As the payload races toward the sun and Kappa moves forward into a large chamber, he finds Cassie.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then pinbacker shows up in a tax cabin.
[SPEAKER_02]: He holds Kappa out over a ledge until Cassie runs and jumps on Kappa, pulling him down and causing them both to fall and slide as the payroll rules around dancing towards its fate.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cassie tells Kappa to finish it, and apparently this thing won't explode if he doesn't do extra shit here on board to payload to actually arm the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: twice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, he finds his way to the thing, turns the thing, and presses the thing, and then, just before he's obliterated, captain joins a serene moment of awe at the power and beauty of the sun.
[SPEAKER_02]: The deadly life-giving star he'd fought so hard to revive, somehow peaceful as it engulfs him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Back on Earth, tap as family members are building snowman and watching his final video transmission.
[SPEAKER_02]: They then look up on their ray home and see the sun suddenly growing brighter.
[SPEAKER_02]: As we see the Sydney Opera House in the background, indicating this previously frozen tundra is Australia.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is sunshine, gentlemen.
[SPEAKER_02]: What did we think?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's hard to know where to start on this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I like this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: through it's first half and then the second half really brings it down for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember feeling this way when I watched it the first time but when it becomes Mark Strong and you know and he's like a weird entity that's been out there living for seven years and
[SPEAKER_03]: And all of that, that part starts to lose me quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because the very first half of this movie is them solving problems and yes, making mistakes and things like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then solving what to do once the mistake is made.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that is the type of stuff that I just love about really good sci-fi movies.
[SPEAKER_03]: When they are talking about these type of things and trying to solve problems in space, it's that Martian stuff that we love so much.
[SPEAKER_03]: But when it becomes the Mark Strong Show towards the end, Danny Boyle does this thing where it's like, I understand that we need to make this another worldly creature or once was human or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: But there's so much like, cutting to like, not only like, it's like, it's someone at this angle and then they cut
[SPEAKER_03]: like to that same person on a different angle like they just reversed it or whatever and there's all sorts of just weird like close ups and darkness and everything to basically get you know this is a confusing moment in the movie guys we're gonna have to make it just as confusing when we edit it which I never have understood that philosophy at all so I love everything up until the point where mark strong become and I love mark strong don't get me wrong
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's just one of those things where where I feel like the movie starts to lose me a little bit at that point.
[SPEAKER_03]: I watched this movie, you know, first, first, normally, but I had the blue ray and that's two different commentaries on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: One is Danny Boyle and one is a the scientific advisor that's on this on this thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: His name is Dr. Brian Cox.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I take it, I could be completely wrong, but he feels like a UK version of Neil deGrasse Tyson.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's definitely a physicist, but he's more, he kind of explains things and what not.
[SPEAKER_03]: And one of the most fascinating things about this movie isn't in the movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they gave him a, they asked him, okay, so here's the story.
[SPEAKER_03]: This story is said in twenty fifty seven.
[SPEAKER_03]: We cannot, and the sun is dying.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not going off of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So whatever you say about this, you were not going off of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, well, that's weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right off the bat because the sun's got five billion years of life left in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the fact that it would be dying in fifty years is weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I came back with an explanation.
[SPEAKER_03]: He came back with an explanation that is not in the movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wish it was because all it would have taken was like a couple of things.
[SPEAKER_03]: to get it into the movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they start talking about these things called cubals, the literal cue with balls after that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're talking about these these things are floating around in space.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're still in theory.
[SPEAKER_03]: And even in this
[SPEAKER_03]: this commentary which was back in two thousand seven he was like we've we built this thing called sern we're gonna figure out what these cubals are I guarantee it in like three or four years or whatever I don't think they have no I don't think they have figured it out but these cubals apparently have the the ability and theory to float around in space and then go into a star and cause all this gamma radiation to come off of it and the idea was the story that he that he's got in his head is
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe one of these cubals went into the sun and that's why the sun is dying now and so that's why they're going into the sun to blow up this cubal but they never say it they basically just they basically say we're just gonna we're just gonna set off a nuke and the nuke is gonna start the sun back up
[SPEAKER_03]: and that's what you what you get with that so anyway this the commentary on that is fascinating anytime a scientific advisor gets on there and he's talked about all the things that he's like yeah this is wrong I can't you know there's there are some things that are wrong there's some things that I saw in the script that I didn't see and then there's you know but you know they had an early thing with Danny Boyle saying you have to have that balance between
[SPEAKER_03]: two sciencey and then entertaining at one at the same you need to have something that people will want to watch so understood on that it was one of the one of the fun facts in there was when they were talking when they're in the the first Icarus the the fact that they say it's it's negative two seventy three degrees or whatever which is absolute zero apparently the universe itself
[SPEAKER_03]: can't be to negative two seventy three it's negative two seventy they're still enough radiation that there's three degrees warmer than that so the ship itself could not be negative two seventy three and he was going on about that thought that was interesting um the hubris of calling a ship Icarus like
[SPEAKER_03]: Do we want to call any ship Titanic any more or Titan?
[SPEAKER_03]: Any more at this point considering all of what's happened with that Icarus?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that was another interesting thing that Dr. Brian Cox talked about towards the end of this commentary to say the exact thing that I was saying only he liked
[SPEAKER_03]: the idea that they called it Icarus because the story because the story of Icarus is how his father told him not to go too close to the sun and he didn't listen and that's the reason why things didn't work and he's like I think that it works for the story because you know these people are supposed to follow the advice and the science and everything and they still don't you can see you know Cliff Curtis
[SPEAKER_03]: at the very beginning he's enamored with the sun he doesn't care about anything else other than the sun and what it looks like and all that stuff and they don't but his argument falls apart to even even almost to his own admission he doesn't quite say he's like they still follow campus advice and go after that other payload so they do follow the science there and they still met you know the mission still gets you know
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it goes way, it goes irreversibly bad at that point, but anyway, yes, movie is fantastic for the first hour.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think after Mark Strong shows up, I'm a little less engaged.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's that's that's all I got to say.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's fair.
[SPEAKER_05]: I agree, that is fair, also wrong.
[SPEAKER_05]: The entire movie is amazing.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love this movie so much.
[SPEAKER_05]: I actually do see the point Chris is making.
[SPEAKER_05]: However, for me, it adds an element to this movie that is
[SPEAKER_05]: super natural if you will like this this idea that it's not just about the science that it's also about the humanity and the mystery of what it means to be human and those kind of things.
[SPEAKER_05]: I do think I wonder if they shot Mark strong like that because they
[SPEAKER_05]: they wanted to not only give a sense that he is almost becoming demonic in some ways, but also because they're trying to hide some of the practical effects, the skin looks kind of stuff, and it's hard to get that stuff exactly right and have it not look like a B movie sometimes, and so I wonder if some of the editing has to do with that.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I really
[SPEAKER_05]: really like that not only do we have Mark Strong who is who has found this religion almost, you know, aboard his Icarus, but we see that the Cliff Curtis character is going down that same road.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like we get it.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's interesting how the movie does like backstory for Mark Strong through a different character.
[SPEAKER_05]: I just I thought that was really genius and interesting and it was just the idea that
[SPEAKER_02]: The sun madness is a possible thing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: That it's something more than one person could experience.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I, okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: So here's some of the things I love about this movie.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think this cast is just astounding.
[SPEAKER_05]: I just, you look back at two thousand seven versions of all of these amazing actors who we have come to know as like all-time great, you know, Killian Murphy, Michelle Yo, Chris Evans, Benedict Wong, Cliff Curtis, Mark Strong, even Hero Yuki, Sinada.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, doing great work.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like it's just it's just incredible and it's just really impressive to see them.
[SPEAKER_05]: I wanted to pull out a specifically Benedict Wong who I just thought was amazing in this movie and recently watching weapons was like yeah, like
[SPEAKER_05]: Seeing him in the Marvel Universe is fine, you know, it is what it is, but man, he's a great actor and he does such great work and I'm always excited to revisit movies like this where he's doing great work like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's also in the Martian.
[SPEAKER_05]: He is also in the Martian.
[SPEAKER_05]: There are a couple of scenes I wanted to pull out as my favorites.
[SPEAKER_05]: One is the unanimous decision scene.
[SPEAKER_05]: The way it is structured, the way it is written, the way it is shot, all leads to this really incredible tension.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it comes to Rose Burn saying, you're saying, I have to be unanimous and I'm not giving you a yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: And in that moment, we see how shallow that promise was and how destructive and powerful ego is in that it really didn't matter.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was always going to be the way Mace wanted it to be.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I find the Mace character so interesting.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because in many ways, he's buck like in theory.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, in many ways, he's take the emotion out of it.
[SPEAKER_05]: No nonsense.
[SPEAKER_05]: Do what makes most sense for the mission.
[SPEAKER_05]: Our lives are expendable.
[SPEAKER_05]: Their lives are expendable.
[SPEAKER_05]: Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
[SPEAKER_05]: But he's missing the empathy of Spock, which is an interesting thing that human side that finds empathy in sacrifice.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so the fact that he gets a sacrificial death, I think, is meaningful, that he does sacrifice himself for the mission.
[SPEAKER_05]: Means in the final moment, it wasn't just shallow, it wasn't just talk, he really meant it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I do find it weird that it almost froze his hand off, but he was able to swim in it for, you know, so many seconds.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's clearly foreshadowing that the water is cold and can kill you if you spend too much time in it, but yeah, his hand is only in there for like
[SPEAKER_02]: a second and a half, and then later he's fully submerged like three different times for a minute.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, maybe it's just not as cold later on.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's possible.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what happens when you take the super hot conductors out of there.
[SPEAKER_05]: It gets warmer somehow.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right?
[SPEAKER_05]: So also since we're just sitting that scene, why are the manual releases under the water when those are up?
[SPEAKER_05]: Why wouldn't those manual releases be out of the water?
[SPEAKER_05]: That just poor design.
[SPEAKER_05]: Somebody's not thinking ahead.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyways, the other scene I wanted to bring up was the fifth crew member scene that reveal I think is really expertly handled.
[SPEAKER_05]: The audience is going to come to that revelation on their own at different points along that journey and I think they know that but for it to reveal itself in that way to the character we get to live it with that character whether we already know what or not we get to live the experience they're having through the way that it's structured in the way that it's shot.
[SPEAKER_05]: I just think that's that's really really beautiful.
[SPEAKER_05]: I had the same point as you to Chris about naming it at Chris, you know, like it's just why do we do this Titanic type of an Icarus Icarus two.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, yeah, it's just it's it's wild.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and that that on board computer really likes to hold things back until it's plot rovin' and it's done she and it's we don't ever get the sense that she's like a how or anything like that it's just that
[SPEAKER_03]: that's when the voice comes on is like I wonder what's going on and then the computer comes on and says well there's this and you're like what do you mean by this and it's like you know and then they're like oh I've been holding this away from you this whole time sorry and whoopsies I like the relationship between Captain American Oppenheimer I think they are I think it's it's
[SPEAKER_05]: We're drawn to understanding their, their battle between each other, their conflict.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then I think it makes, you know, that moment when they're where he's trapped in, you know, maces trying to, you know, get the coolant, the stuff back into coolant.
[SPEAKER_05]: It makes that even more powerful.
[SPEAKER_05]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was watching the in credit sometimes I'll just kind of let the in credits roll just as I'm kind of thinking and that kind of stuff and it eventually fades out till it's just the distress signal from Icarus one is just the only sound you hear over the credits and it got me thinking something I'd never thought before which was
[SPEAKER_05]: pinbacker purposely sent out a distress signal in case anyone came so that he could destroy them too.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now I'm not saying that's you know textual in the movie but it got me thinking like that's an interesting thought that that distress signal is even being sent because you think pinbacker would be like you know this is our destiny you know we don't need safe but
[SPEAKER_05]: He may purposely want that left on, just in case, you know, another crew comes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, well, maybe he does sense everything he says in this movie is cryptic as hell, but he does say something about are you the one waiting, I'm supposed to be waiting for him to tell me it's time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe the distress signal is like his way of trying to draw that entity to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that there'd be any way for him to know an Icarus two had been sent now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and also there's no way of knowing that they would divert their mission to go look for them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, I mean, you're especially seven years later and everything, but I guess it's worth a shot, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, it was just interesting thought that popped into my head as like why didn't he shut off the distress signal or, you know, why did he purposely send it?
[SPEAKER_05]: And what might of those motivations been,
[SPEAKER_05]: And finally, I think it's worth debating a fun little debate post movie debate if Mace was right, you know, if they just should have
[SPEAKER_05]: carried on with the mission and not let this distraction.
[SPEAKER_05]: If the two payload thing was a, you know, not worth the risk and, you know, because if they do, it, you know, things they could have maybe gotten back to, you know, where they were going.
[SPEAKER_03]: The logic is sound on getting going and diverting the mission so that they can get to bombs.
[SPEAKER_03]: I totally get that logic.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you are also risking the only one you have to go get it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I think ultimately I'm on the side of just continue with the mission.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because yes, while there's no guarantee the one bomb will work.
[SPEAKER_03]: If that's the case then the two bombs are I mean you have the same amount of probability with the two bombs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like so I didn't watch any commentaries read much up on it, but I kind of took it to be a fairly overt like a subsfable kind of like I've got the broken my mouth I see another rock but going for the other rock I lost my first rock like
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe not, maybe that's, I don't think about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fable all the time, so maybe I'm just applying it because I want to.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, see the logic and what you're saying, that may be might have been right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know if I can't remember if in the movie they're talking about possibly bringing other things from that first Icarus over to the second chip like they certainly could use that oxygen if they could find some way to get all the plants.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how they would do that, but
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know that's a whole other movie that we're talking about now where they go over to that ship to pick up more than just the bomb.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then I'm more on board with it if it's like we're not going to have enough oxygen to get to the sun.
[SPEAKER_03]: We need these plants blah blah blah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then it's not just about the bomb at that point.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's why it makes sense after, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Like after they make, after Benedict Wong makes the mistake and they fry all the plants and all that, like then it's well, no brainer, we gotta get over there to see if we can get the oxygen or whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: But the only reason that happened is because they diverted because of the dexter pay load, you know, they say have all their plants if they didn't, you know, do that.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, it's an interesting thought tonight, I think, you know, an Icarus in the hand is worth two in the bush.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go to our super secret double feature Be very very quiet secret watch a little secret to tell you something I've never told anyone
[SPEAKER_03]: And I guess I'll start off with this one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've got a pretty basic one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe I'm hope I'm not taking yours there.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I actually recently saw this movie just last week.
[SPEAKER_03]: I revisited it because they had a four K disc that came out and I was like, I wonder if this movie is bad as I remember.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, the movie was not as bad as I remember.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was actually
[SPEAKER_03]: Fairly decent although still not great, but the double feature I have for this is event horizon from nineteen ninety seven was wondering if somebody was going to pick this movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that one is more about there is there the whole mission is to go to a ship that the disappeared or you know crash or whatever they don't know what happened to it
[SPEAKER_03]: And this crew that's on the ship is especially made to salvage ships, but they also have Sam Neal who built this way to fold space time and to traverse the galaxy or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, they run into
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of marked strong type characters in event horizon because of it and that's what immediately stuck out while was watching this one is that it's kind of got I'd I'd I'd love to see this whatever of full of two hour ten minute version that Paul W. S. Anderson was making at the time they decided not to give him the time because something about tight Titanic
[SPEAKER_03]: back in the day Titanic that Paramount didn't give him enough time because of Titanic but apparently like a few years later when Paramount was like hey this movie's doing gangbusters on home video let's make the two hour and ten let's find all that old footage and it's gone now apparently and then never will find it so the event horizon that we know is the event horizon we will always
[SPEAKER_03]: see until somebody finds film cans in Argentina or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's the one that I'm going with.
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought of that too.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a great choice, great choice.
[SPEAKER_05]: In fact, this is one of those movies where it feels like there's a hundred great double features because there's so many movies about searching for something in space, finding something different, finding a mystery that you weren't expecting.
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought of this isn't my double feature, but I thought of mission to Mars, the Palmas mission to Mars, feels like this in some ways, but I ended up going with the two thousand two version of Solaris.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I love this movie.
[SPEAKER_05]: I really dig this movie, and tonally it feels really on par with sunshine.
[SPEAKER_05]: It also has a sun-based title, which I thought was neat.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so, yeah, but this is the George Clooney version and deals with
[SPEAKER_05]: you know, mystery and clones and all sorts of interesting things and interesting pondering questions once he goes on this journey.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, it's stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you ever seen the three hour Russian nineteen seventies version?
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't.
[SPEAKER_03]: it's excellent but it's not like the sodaberg version is I mean it's a little bit lesser especially in time it's that one's an hour and a half I think but but the the original uh seventy's one is phenomenal that's a great choice I love that choice
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, good ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have chosen Project Hail Mary except it's not out yet, but that is literally about a man going to space because the sun is slowly dying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, show problems once he gets out there.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, I thought I had Astro as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, another one that feels very similar.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's just it's a common story.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is a move on to what our next week's homework will be.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is Aaron's choice.
[SPEAKER_03]: So Aaron, what are we watching next week?
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I tried to tie the movies together as I can.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think Valkyrie was two thousand eight.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sunshine was two thousand seven.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I looked through two thousand six.
[SPEAKER_05]: I figured I'd continue the account back in the years.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I could find from two thousand six that I think that I know I loved and really want to watch again.
[SPEAKER_05]: Even though it's a very tough watch, I'm going to make us watch a pocket lip toe.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is Mel Gibson's two thousand six.
[SPEAKER_05]: It is again a tough watch.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I think one of the most incredible action movies I've ever seen in some of the themes it deals with are really, really powerful.
[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, I'm looking forward to strangely watching this movie again and digging through it.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's a pretty grossly violent.
[SPEAKER_05]: I remember as his Melgans want to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember really liking this movie, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's perfect for this show, I think, because I don't think many people
[SPEAKER_03]: It may have been a decent hit when it came out, but I don't think very many people really talk about it now, especially because Mel Gibson's kind of, correct.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but anyway, yeah, it's perfect.
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't seen it since it came out.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is going to be good.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're a link.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they need to language too, like, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yes, probably.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, why this has never been come like a household title or anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of people are like, I'm not going to watch.
[SPEAKER_03]: people speaking in can whatever this is this is the movie where he came out with a trailer and for like no reason at all there's like a subliminal frame of Mel Gibson with this giant beard looking at the camera and staring at like with this weird look on his face while he's next to one of the extras or whatever in this movie it just won't just a blip
[SPEAKER_03]: comes up.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you ever want to watch the trailer for this, it may still be in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing this again, despite the fact that yes, Mel Gibson is not a creative person.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's going to do it for this week.
[SPEAKER_03]: Chat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Once again, thank you so much for coming out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Appreciate you so much for for tolerating us and listening to us.
[SPEAKER_03]: Very much appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Next week is a pocket lip toe.
[SPEAKER_03]: We will see you next week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I did just pop on and I clicked to another tab because nobody was on and I don't expect everyone to come on two seconds after it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now he's about to pop off.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jeremy Scott was a normal average every day Joe until he went to the Starbucks and went and ran into the alien he loved.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did go to Starbucks this morning.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I ran into the Starbucks employee who I don't love because I know her beyond morning pleasantries Yeah Coming this July from the stars bucks I just realized that I miss it perfect perfect
[SPEAKER_05]: perfect small recommend opportunity because I just watched twenty eight years later, which is, you know, Garland and Boyle, who were doing today.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, so I thought I'd check in here if either of you guys seen twenty eight years later.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is the newest one.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the newest one.
[SPEAKER_05]: No.
[SPEAKER_05]: Man, I loved it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I loved it so much.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I didn't, and I'm not a huge fan of the others, but I just think there's so much heart and beauty in that movie amidst like some of the most grotesque zombie stuff I've ever seen, but it's just like, it's so, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: It really moved me.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was, I was weeping at one point.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't they have two sequels to that?
[SPEAKER_05]: I think they have some planned.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: they've become better filmmakers and since since the days of twenty eight days and twenty eight weeks as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not surprised that twenty eight years later is a little bit you know more palatable I guess because Alex Garland has been
[SPEAKER_03]: towing around with all sorts of big ideas and things like that and I don't know what to think of Danny Boyle at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's serviceable but like I was looking through his filmography.
[SPEAKER_03]: And every time I run across Steve Jobs, I'm like, oh, yeah, he directed Steve Jobs even though that such an Aaron Sorcan movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, so it was like it was pointless to even have him directed almost.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where is I feel like social network is more of a venture movie than it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorcan wasn't he like a replacement for that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't think I feel like he wasn't the original director for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I think he was a replacement, and I can't remember who was initially there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see if the internet has any ideas.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: What say you internet?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, David Fincher was going to direct the film.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so Fincher was going to be on Jet Steve Jobs as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Christian Bale was going to play Steve Jobs.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then he exited due to contractual disputes and Danny Boyle was brought in.
[SPEAKER_02]: with Leonardo DiCaprio and discussions for the rule.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would have been a reunion of the beach.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was looking at there was a thing on discord where somebody was bringing up a nineteen ninety nine movie called Sunshine and I don't I didn't I didn't really like go deep into the what the comment was about or whatever, but
[SPEAKER_03]: I looked that movie up and Mark Strongz in that movie, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's completely different stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not sci-fi at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like, Mark Strongz in that movie, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was wondering what Mark Strongz thought when he signed on for this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Was it called Sunshine at the time?
[SPEAKER_03]: Did it keep called Sunshine afterwards?
[SPEAKER_03]: And he was like, oh, well, I guess I'm in another bloody movie called Sunshine.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a perfect Mark Strongz.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a real impression.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, I wanted to play it a seed, Aaron.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know you used to do some rapping.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did.
[SPEAKER_02]: On my way home, I had one of my, usually I don't tell people about these things.
[SPEAKER_02]: And here I am committing it to permanent record.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just had this notion of a SNL sketch where it's Lin-Man-Wamarando's rewrites Mary Poppins.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so all the songs go away and they're replaced with Hamilton's style.
[SPEAKER_02]: songs and I for some reason started with the lady and the birds and it was like topens topens topens back and then I started making up wraps and you see if that germinate's anything and we we end up on us on Ellen a few years yeah well we'll co-lab on that and and break the internet
[SPEAKER_05]: I had I have you ever had like the perfect parody song idea that only one percent of the population would think was hilarious because I've been playing I've been playing this you know this Disney lorkana card game which is I'm having a ton of fun with it or whatever
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, they are in what's called, again, just explaining this is gonna put people to sleep.
[SPEAKER_05]: But they are in what's called rotation right now, which means the first four sets are rotating out so you can't play those cards anymore.
[SPEAKER_05]: But they're reprinting some cards from those sets because they're important to people's decks, those kinds of things.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is, you know, collectible card game thing that happens.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, one of the cards that's not coming back is this card that so many people love who play those colors, and it's called popsicle.
[SPEAKER_05]: and uh... and it's p a w uh... sickle because it's like uh... it's from zutopia where they have the popsicles or anyways uh... it's called pa sickle i guess and the other day i just started seeing pa sickle
[SPEAKER_05]: POSICAL I want to play my POSICAL and this is this is a genius parody song that nobody nobody will care nobody will get and that's just like and I think there's a bunch that I wrote like when I was a teenager that would if I looked back on it would be like
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, that's that that that that that needs some work Yeah, but yeah, man the the Christian parodies I did when I was in high school like I did it's God's prerogative instead of my friend I Did one called he still lights my fire instead of we didn't start the fire
[SPEAKER_05]: I wrote that whole song, man.
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought you were able to gain forty days of night's of rain.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I can still even remember like, you know, you're I've killed Jeremy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Jeremy is dead.
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, you're talking about these.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're talking about these strategy-based card games and everything, which I don't know anything about.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know that if I ever learned anything about these games, I would definitely want to play them just because I do like strategy stuff and blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I watched a fascinating video, didn't understand anything about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: just it was a magic the gathering thing and it was a guy who won a championship with the worst deck ever basically is what it was and so like it was a bunch of it was like it was like how in the world did he win using this deck and so like they kind of broke down all the things now
[SPEAKER_03]: I still don't even know what the rules of the game are to even know what the hell is going on in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I see people like constantly turning cards to the side and doing all this stuff and I don't even know how you're supposed to draw them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know
[SPEAKER_03]: you know like I don't know the rules of the game but still that video was very fascinating because it's funny to think that someone put in a deck that was just so suboptimal but then they showed the strength of it and the genius of it and everything and I was just like that is amazing I don't know a thing about what happened but great video
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I've had to learn just a little bit about magic just because a lot of the people I play in Larkana also play magic and I never played it.
[SPEAKER_05]: But it sounds like an interesting game and it's been around for forty years or whatever.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so like it is evolved so much more than Larkana has.
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you play this game in person with people?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, play every Wednesday.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Where at the local car shop?
[SPEAKER_05]: They have Larkana.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's usually fifteen to twenty.
[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then like once every three months they have what are called set champs because they release a new set of cards every three months or so and you'll have twenty to thirty people come out for set champs.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was a I used to work at a comic book store.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was a period of time where I had left Hollywood twenty seven went and did another job.
[SPEAKER_03]: had had an argument with one of the bosses of that new job and they gave me an ultimatum.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I chose to leave instead of tolerate their rules, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not about rules.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, anyway, uh, I was working on a comic book store.
[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, I didn't know anything about comic books.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: They had they also so magic and they sold all these other like warhammer things and whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know anything about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I was just there to sell them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't care what what they were or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was a thing, I think it was like every Wednesday night.
[SPEAKER_03]: They'd have magic players come out and they'd pulled out the card tables and they played magic until we closed and sometimes after we closed and I'd had to like come on guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's time to go and magic's gone gathering now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go.