[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if we just wanted to continue the Taylor Swift red related pun theme for the title of the episode, I've got a whole list of them here.
[SPEAKER_01]: The bun, the last great American pastry, that was not very good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Diancee, Midnight grain.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I also came up with Midnight grain.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the first time that we have you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So rice school, Clara Doe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: About two, well, ten minute version.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How about the starter?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You need to calm down with the K. You belong with three and bake it off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, bake it off.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about a whole grain problems?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ready for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a little bit played out though, because obviously they just did that on the podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we could transition in and maybe like more of like a chiefs theme.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got a hall of twenty two.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of more generic.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all sunny.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one kingdom.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Reds going offense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Red Reds going offense.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had Chris bones.
[SPEAKER_01]: Genon Taylor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are good.
[SPEAKER_01]: To the H.A.
[SPEAKER_01]: Field at Apple Grid Stadium.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's bread.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Big bread.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's an easy one.
[SPEAKER_03]: But of course, we also have to fold in our favorite show.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's always sunny.
[SPEAKER_03]: From Ham.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Power.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you are for Charlie, instead of flowers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or you could call him Barley Kelly.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got all kinds of good options here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like, I think the one I like the most is bread kingdom.
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome into.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always sunny in choosing them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Austin by me on X at real bird lawyer bird law expert on blue sky here with me as always.
[SPEAKER_01]: My co host Taylor with at Taylor underscore wit on Twitter, uh, second most famous podcasting Taylor of the week.
[SPEAKER_01]: I a sick on sky.
[SPEAKER_01]: I a S I C K. What's going on, buddy?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the Taylor episode, of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, that was that was pretty fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: I and fired up.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have a lot of good chiefs content.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good good stuff going on this week.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's football's right around the corner.
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, three weeks from tonight is the NFL opening night kickoff and that's that's close.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's like here basically.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So good stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: a quick little housekeeping bit just in case anyone wanted to reach out to us as we mentioned last week.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have an email address also other than our Twitter accounts.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't DM us and he'll never hear it, but you could DM me on Twitter and Taylor and her score would or you could send me an email to it's always sunny in chiefs kingdom at gmail.com.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can also in that email or in a DM you could ask to join our Discord server.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have a lot of good
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got a great episode for you guys today.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got news news news.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot of news cover.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got preseason game one recap and yeah, I get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, we mailed in the preview a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: How can you really preview a preseason game?
[SPEAKER_01]: But the takeaways from this game are really interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait to discuss that with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we've got another, you know, phone and preview.
[SPEAKER_01]: Chiefs, it's the hoax preseason week two.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: But first, let's kick it off with.
[SPEAKER_01]: Christian Fulton returns in entry news the day after I spoke into existence on Monday's spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted him to play in the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: I knew it wasn't going to play in the game, but I said if I say I want to see him play in the game on Saturday, maybe he will at least come back to practice in the very next day.
[SPEAKER_01]: There he was.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is back.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's working his way to form unclear yet whether he's going to be ready for week one, but I mean, we've got three weeks to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: He certainly has some time to work his way back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of working his way back, Hollywood Brown, obviously with that ankle injury that he's suffered during camp.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's working his way back from that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously has had ankle injuries in his career.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to play this week against Seattle, but he is getting some work in.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's back out on the practice field and at least running and doing all the little workout stuff that he's going to do, but he's not going to play in Seattle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Karim Hunt has a quad contusion.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like he will also miss tomorrow night's game in Seattle.
[SPEAKER_01]: But overall,
[SPEAKER_03]: the history news is fairly positive I would say yeah it's fine it's certainly not devastating at any position or any you know I mean a lot of teams around the NFL are already looking around and saying oh my god it's fairly weak to the preseason we've already lost x y and z you know we can talk about the triggers and race on slater I mean held the
[SPEAKER_03]: Eagles in land, Dickerson, he got hurt.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I believe there was another pretty significant line in Jerry Gables.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I haven't heard what happened with him.
[SPEAKER_03]: I saw he went off in the cart today in Broncos practice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, there's some asthma.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's going to be fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ah, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, but, um, you know, it's already kind of been the NFL and there have already kind of been some, you know, some injuries and some, some,
[SPEAKER_03]: guys that are expected to do big things that are hurt now.
[SPEAKER_03]: So for the chiefs, I was very excited to see Fulton because that also, you know, is a good indicator that he'll be ready, you know, basically by the start of the year, because he's already practicing and stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I wasn't really sure if he was kind of, you know, what is status to be for week one, but he's certainly trending trending in the right direction.
[SPEAKER_03]: Guy, that's not trending in the right direction.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's Hollywood Brown.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean that in the picture and a small picture.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is this guy ever going to play football?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's just, it sucks for him.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, he's a great talent and he's fast and he's on a team that should be able to utilize his talents and I just feel bad for him.
[SPEAKER_03]: He just can't seem to get himself in the football shape very often.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he's a guy too that, you know, with wire severs, you want to cash in on your big payday and you want to have a great season going in a free agency.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the only reason he's back with the chiefs is because he got hurt last year and he didn't put out a full season to tape and he didn't have the opportunity to go off like we hoped he would.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we hope he still will this year, a boy, he's going to have to get that ankle right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would imagine he's not going to play this week.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm certain that he will not play in preseason game three either.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I receive him in week one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another player that we might be seeing in week one, after all, is Rishi Rice.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's who I receive or will meet with NFL disciplinary officers on September, thirty.
[SPEAKER_01]: And no suspension is expected to be imposed before then now.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is if the, if she follows the normal disciplinary process and waits for the NFL to come to him with their punishment and just pronounce sentence.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the way the NFL's disciplinary process works is a little bit odd.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Rishi could go to them before September, thirty of and they could work out some sort of deal like essentially like a plea deal where he's going to be descended for X number of games.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to appeal and then he'll be able to start serving his suspension right away.
[SPEAKER_01]: I suspect given
[SPEAKER_01]: this news leaking and the timing of this meeting taking place on September, third year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I suspect that that is not going to happen with her she and I suspect that this is a deliberate attempt by Rashid and the chiefs front office to force all Rashid Rice's suspension until a later date.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now,
[SPEAKER_01]: The first four games of the season, which would be the games that we're going to play before September, thirty at at Chargers in Brazil, a divisional game.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got the Eagles at home in week two.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got at the Giants and then you've got the Ravens at home in week four.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are all except for the Giants.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hard and important games.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but we got to push back against the conspiracy talk here because
[SPEAKER_01]: If he goes to the NFL office on September thirty eight and says hit me with a suspension on start serving in a week five.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's no soft spots in the schedule right like week five is is a is a give me, but then after that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, our jacks you think that's give me.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a real feisty.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a road game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a road game in Jacksonville in September or late September, beginning of October.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the fourth.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is the one of the easiest games on the schedule.
[SPEAKER_01]: But right after that, why is Raiders Commander's bills?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the Raiders might be good, but they might be.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then yeah, sure, right after that, Broncos colds cowboys Texans.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Broncos colds cowboys Texans, that's probably the softest four game stretch in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've got to be really games, including at the Broncos.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to have the best AFC playoff teams in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Texan's Broncos and then the Colts were not that great, but you got the, you know, the Cowboys would, when Dak is healthy, they're pretty good on Thanksgiving.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's, I mean, that's, that's their Super Bowl literally.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: The, the last four games are really soft, but like there's almost no way it's going to get
[SPEAKER_03]: that's where games have three divisional opponents.
[SPEAKER_03]: This supposed to be the best division of football.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_03]: Chargers, Titans, Broncos Raiders.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, look, you're right.
[SPEAKER_03]: There is no break.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's nowhere I said today on Twitter, you can close your eyes and throw a dart at the chief schedule and hit, oh my God, I can't believe he's going to be available for those games.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's a great, you know, there's a conspiracy wrote itself before the season even started because that's all these people want to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: But there's also the fact that
[SPEAKER_03]: The arbiter that their arbitrator or arbiter, which what's the arbitrator, arbitrator, I believe.
[SPEAKER_03]: Arbiter is like a slightly different.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like a unit in Starcraft.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's supposed to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but the the a word person is.
[SPEAKER_03]: like a, they're a judge outside of the NFL.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're a third party independent, you know, person.
[SPEAKER_03]: The same woman who did the Deshawn Watson case.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, she already has a schedule.
[SPEAKER_03]: She can't just push everything aside to see where she writes.
[SPEAKER_03]: The reason that it's been kicked out to September, thirty if is because she needs to make time and her schedule to see him.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I didn't know that until I was reading that today.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's one of the reasons why this timing is what it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not up to the NFL.
[SPEAKER_03]: Roger didn't say, let's kick it to late September.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure everyone will love that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's because that's how it happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, field stabilized.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the album.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love the album.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, the artist is a fun unit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Produced our crap one.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, listen, it's it's
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think that the timing of this is like he could be making a more concerted effort to get this done faster.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think if he was going to New York tomorrow to just hammer something out, we probably would have heard about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it seems like maybe his intention is to wait until September, third year.
[SPEAKER_01]: And those games are important.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, those games are important.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, from the chief's perspective, while the Eagles is obviously huge game,
[SPEAKER_01]: from an emotional standpoint.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that important in the sand, it's not that important in the sandings.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know how important to choose consider AFC games and divisional games relative to the NFC.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's the Eagles, Andy has history there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some signs pointing towards it, maybe being a plan, a design on the part of the chiefs, on the other hand, you can certainly make arguments to the contrary.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other interesting wrinkle that this puts into the chiefs is the roster.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we were operating in last week when we were making our roster predictions under the assumption that the Rishi Rice would be suspended in a week one.
[SPEAKER_01]: which would theoretically open up another spot for, you know, a wider seaver at the back end of the roster, whoever makes it after Rashid Hollywood, assuming Hollywood's healthy, not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a better idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, after that, the sixth guy, there were going to be two spots.
[SPEAKER_03]: And no, Ramejo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nijo, Ramejo.
[SPEAKER_01]: The type one, Thornton, you know, you got Jason Brownley.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jason Brownley.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you got
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, for sure, at least three guys competing for maybe one spot and talented guys that we know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we know Dave told loves knee-hoded me here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We know that tech one importance for getting a lot of buzz in camp.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jason Brownley popped and is playing time would suggest that
[SPEAKER_01]: He's somebody that chiefs are maybe interested considering yeah exactly we'll we'll talk about him more in a minute.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be really interesting if she is on the roster and we want which it certainly looks like he will be at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be it's going to be a much more interesting battle than it was when we thought he might be spending completely agreed and I think that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, you know, those those fringy, wide receiver guys, um, you know, a lot of those are like your return specialist type of players, especially when you hear, I'm thinking over me, you know, first and foremost.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think his, but also, Gordon, but also thought I those those are the two guys that I think have the inside track for wide receiver six right now and
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, if rice wasn't there, I think there's a pretty good chance that both of them would have made the opening day roster.
[SPEAKER_03]: And unless they are Hollywood, which, you know, we'll see, then it's probably down to which one of those two looks better on offense.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, or sorry, not on offense because we need the returner because if rice was out, what I was trying to say is if rice was out, you need their contribution on offense a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you probably would lean to the guy that, you know, you could actually put in the game and feel good about both rice in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your, your receivers are deep enough now that you probably are looking at the best return guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's probably where me here.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think type one thorton is probably going to go the way of a lot of the other past.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kind of camp darling wide receivers that probably isn't going to end up making the fifty three maybe goes and catches on to the other rosters.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know we'll see if there's still a couple couple interesting games to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, well.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to talk about the podcasting event of the millennium.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is podcasts out of the universe.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the greatest podcasting event of all time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course Taylor Swift joining Travis and Jason on new heights for at last, last I checked.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this was a couple of hours ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was up to thirteen million views, one point three million current live viewers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going shattered and ready.
[SPEAKER_01]: podcasting, yeah, exactly, numerology, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to shatter every podcasting record of the books, and it was an incredibly interesting and funny interview.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you are a person that listens to this podcast, and somehow still is not into the whole Taylor Swift thing, I would very strongly encourage you to go and listen or watch to that podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, the first thing, I just want to
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to discuss this with you on the air.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've spoken about it a little bit off the air.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were texting during that leg and length, but you know, I mean, I think the thing that is most striking about it is how
[SPEAKER_01]: normal, uh, two people who are amongst the most famous people in their respective professions and in Taylor's case, in any profession, uh, sitting down to have a conversation with Jason Kelsey who's also very famous in his own right, um, in part because he's connected to Travis Taylor obviously, but, uh, and if you try to fill Hall of Fame or TV, yes, and how
[SPEAKER_01]: uh, normal, uh, their conversation was and how I came away from that thinking that like, if I ran into Taylor Swift on the street and she wasn't surrounded by security or whatever, I could just have a normal conversation with her or whatever, shoot the shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, it was a, it was a really remarkable interview in so many ways, but I want to hear your biggest takeaway from it.
[SPEAKER_01]: What, what, what struck you about it?
[SPEAKER_01]: What, what, what, what, what, what, what gripped you?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I do want to just kind of address the first thing you said about if you're not either a fan of her or interested in her or have anything to do, you know, if you're not just
[SPEAKER_03]: part of that world yet and and you've been resisting it or you whatever the point is this podcast specifically the new heights interview was a great just a tear down of all the other extra bullshit take it away take a take away all the glitz and glam and hype and fame and all that stuff and just here
[SPEAKER_03]: who she is as a person.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just hear a conversation, a length of full length conversation about things that are important to her and about her life experiences and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just think that if you're a normal person, if you have empathy towards others and if you kind of are able to socialize, you can see that exactly what you said, she's just a normal person.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's actually pretty remarkable that she's a normal person.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's a it's it's such a
[SPEAKER_03]: feature not a bug of her for it to be for how relatable she is.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's one of the reasons that she is the most famous person in the world or up there is because when, you know, her, her music fans or her, you know, anybody who kind of observes her, you kind of just get a sense of who she is.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it seems like a very genuinely great person.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, my biggest takeaway
[SPEAKER_03]: as someone that I got into the Taylor Swift game, you know, fairly late, but before the chiefs actually, which is a little surprise among, you know, a lot of other people, kind of started watching her concert videos and listening to her music about the summer, or this all went down kind of around the same time that, uh, Travis went to the airs tour.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, what I, you know, find most fascinating about her is
[SPEAKER_03]: that she has felt I guess maybe not fascinating.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of sad that she has felt such a microscope on her wife and her social life and the way that she does her business that she's been shy or afraid or whatever you want to say to do long form relaxed sit down interviews like this because it's just it has always invites a ton of criticism and she is never really with a team or people that
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, ask her the right like make her feel comfortable and all that's up.
[SPEAKER_03]: So so all that's to say that the majority comment that I saw on YouTube after this from people that are obsessed way way way more than you and I are is about how this is the type of thing that this is like the greatest gift they could have got was just a.
[SPEAKER_03]: long-form conversation with her because they haven't had that in forever and that's really cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so my, yeah, I thought it was great of new heights.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought they handled her and her fame and the what Jason's question asking was brilliant.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought he was very, very good at what he does, which we know that, which he's a media guy and he's done the podcast and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was great.
[SPEAKER_03]: They did a really good job and Travis and Taylor, anyone who thinks that that is just a media play or
[SPEAKER_03]: a setup or whatever all the stupid conspiracies are about their fake relationship.
[SPEAKER_03]: All you gotta do is watch this two hours and they're perfect for each other.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was really cool to see her embrace the football fandom.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, obviously she she was very excited when the chiefs drafted Xavier were the she learned a lot about the game of football in a very short period of time and she's obviously
[SPEAKER_01]: an extremely smart person and interested in learning about the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: I made this observation on Twitter, but I think it's worth making on the podcast as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's Travis.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that people, the criticism of Travis from...
[SPEAKER_01]: Both Swifties, although not as much anymore, and certainly certain sub factions, is that Travis is just, you know, he's a dumb, dumb football guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like Travis is bad at reading, but like Travis is a smart guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Travis is more than that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's an intellectually curious guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that came across in the podcast in a big way.
[SPEAKER_01]: in and maybe in a surprising way to a lot of people that like, you know, um, it just cracked me up when he, you know, shoots going through the song titles and he kept asking Jason, like, do you know, go about the date of affiliate, do you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a bit of a telly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know about Opalite?
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, that's just a guy that has had those facts shared with him by his girlfriend and he's excited to share those facts with other people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that is the most relatable Travis Kelsey has ever been to me personally.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was really an incredible interview.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so many ways.
[SPEAKER_03]: She brings it out in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's the intellectual curiosity is something that if he were, you know, not as head over heels just completely enamored with her, that I don't know if he would be as comfortable or at least as open with some of these aspects of his life, he certainly wouldn't be singing pop star or songs that a girl sings on, you know, like that kind of just freedom that he has to just express his
[SPEAKER_03]: feelings for her in such a true and honest way.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just really nice to see them both so relaxed and happy and it's really cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: And anybody that's out there trying to hate or trying to make it something that it's not, you just gotta give it up, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: You gotta give it up like you gotta give it up the refs are in for on the chiefs.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've gotta just let go because it's not what you think is.
[SPEAKER_01]: We probably should save a discussion of the album and the nature of what it's going to be until.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to say until the show range series on here to discuss it with us.
[SPEAKER_01]: We could be around like probably.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it will be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it would be about a month before it comes out to three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Randy's going to be on before week one.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll we'll speculate a little bit with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: That may happen off the air.
[SPEAKER_01]: It may be included in the podcast, who knows.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in any case, it will be fun if you haven't watched it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do watch it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if you're just a fan of Travis and Jason, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a shame or regard, which should be obviously they were hilarious.
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole podcast was very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the idea of Travis wanting to adopt an honor that he rescues from danger.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, just very specific weird shit that they're both into.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just strange people that are incredibly brilliant and great at what they do in a totally comfortable natural environment, just talking for two hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was something else, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was very cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about preseason week one transitioning to something that doesn't matter at all, from something that matters a great deal to a great number of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: But of course these games don't count the standings, but they do count in terms of what we're going to see in week one.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: The cheese jumped out to nearly fourteen to three leading this one before surrendering to touchdowns in the last three eighteen before the first afternoon to Kobe reset.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they traded field goals in the second half for a seventeen to twenty loss to the Cardinals in Arizona.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you had an opportunity to watch this game live.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was it was RPG night for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I did not watch the live.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was able to catch up on that later on.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I know you watched the live.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you complained about the length of the game as it was dragging the second half.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I I wanted to get your thoughts someone who's in market soaking it up as it was happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the complaint that I put on Twitter was I cannot believe this game is not already eight hours longer whatever when it was when there was five minutes left in the second quarter and that just felt the the pace of of a preseason game is just so much like the last time I was watching the chiefs play it was as we all remember it was a lot different of stakes and scenario and everything was amplified and every play matter and every you know
[SPEAKER_03]: all the stuff that goes with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: This just felt, I mean, I know it was the first preseason game, but I think one of the reasons that I felt the short and kind of, or the attention span being so weird was that the first team offense got two steps.
[SPEAKER_03]: And because of that, you do kind of feel like right away, it started off as backups and right away that kind of taps, pulls some of the air out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, it was funny for the chiefs to start off with a turnover on the very first play this season.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, the special teams when they Chris roll walls recovered a fumble on the kickoff.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they're at the thirteen yard line thirteen thirteen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, it's just, this is everywhere these days.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, Chris Cadetca, Athenia.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, you know, they, they start off and and Pacheco takes a hand off and he gets down to the five right away.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that was a really nice
[SPEAKER_03]: Nice sign for a guy that I personally am kind of down on just from hype.
[SPEAKER_03]: I obviously is a cool dude and I'm rooting for him, but like I don't really expect a lot out out of Isaiah, but check out this here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so if he does it, if he if he looks like a starting NFL running back, I will be thrilled, but I just don't really think that's gonna happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he takes it down to the five yard line and then booms sees Thornton in the end zone, but he gets
[SPEAKER_03]: raped all over him by the defender.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so they get a pastor appearance down to the one yard light on the second play.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the play of the game for sure, or it certainly on offense was Jason Brownlee on a one yard fade ball from the homes on first and gold the one and just absolutely stretching as far as as Brownley can stretch and pulling it in and getting the chiefs on the board on paths first official pass of the game, a one yard touchdown pass.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was obviously fired up at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, okay, I actually was saying that because the drive was so short, a thirteen year drive that I was like, oh, there's pretty good chance that when the second drive starts, your offense is going to stay out there.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was one of my plays.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it didn't really feel like that was something that if they're going to play in the game, you would think they would want to see more than two plays out of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I guess that was like perfect for Andy because.
[SPEAKER_03]: after the chart or the cardinals drove down the field.
[SPEAKER_03]: They did good.
[SPEAKER_03]: They worked it down to the seventeen yard line.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then Tyler threw in absolutely awful ball that I mean, I guess the play by play said it was intended for Marvin Harrison.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't even see anyone other than Jayden Hicks in the area.
[SPEAKER_03]: He just looked like he passed into it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I actually thought that maybe he got the jersey swapped and thought his guy was running free and just threw it to him.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then
[SPEAKER_03]: So Hicks takes over there, and I'm all like, okay, so we'll see the offense one more time, and then I can disengage with this game more.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Garderman chew comes out, and then the second string, and then I was just kind of like, well, okay, we got two plays after all the weight from all year, and now we're already in the backups.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, that was kind of the, that was my mindset.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was just kind of disappointment that we only got two plays out of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, from there on out, it's kind of like watching a practice.
[SPEAKER_03]: I watched it.
[SPEAKER_03]: you can't really take a lot away from after the first string other than like individual guys being like oh they like this guy because they're playing him at this point which we'll talk about but the performance of the game the fact that the chiefs lost or the fact that guys whatever numbers you saw to the game or whatever none of that matters in the preseason at all playing time matters and the first string matters those two things matter I would like to see the first string perform well and I would like
[SPEAKER_03]: guys that I want to see play on the team to have good playing time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Other than that, yeah, it was a game.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a slow, slow moving game.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hate that field.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad nobody got hurt on that field.
[SPEAKER_03]: But we also want to Super Bowl on that field.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that was nice to kind of relive that as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those are my thoughts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about playing time because Anthony Reinhard at Reinhard NFL or EIN, H-A-R-D NFL on X.
[SPEAKER_01]: put out this incredible infographic and you guys need to go check it out just because I mean we're going to use it but it's like the most perfectly conceived beautiful infographic I've ever seen for the exact purpose that we needed for which is talking about a preseason NFL game so this is sort of visualized
[SPEAKER_01]: both snap counts and when the players entered the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to use that information to sort of discuss some of the surprises that came out of this game in terms of playing time and performance.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, the first guy that sticks out to me is Jason Brownley.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who was?
[SPEAKER_01]: in on the second snap of the game for the offense and caught the touchdown, and then didn't play it all on the second drive of the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: He comes back in for the third and fourth drives, and that he doesn't see any playing time at all after half time, which is a little bit surprising, because Nico, all right, Nico, excuse me, Nico, Jeremy,
[SPEAKER_01]: and some of these other guys that we talked about at the bottom end of the roster, uh, they all played in the second half.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Marquis or Hollywood didn't play at all in this game, where she rice didn't play at all in this game, jujube played two snaps, Xavier worthy play four snaps.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, most of the first half after that first drive was to take one toward Jason Brownley and Jalen Royals and another player who should remain nameless.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Brownley being in on the second play of the game, being the
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like maybe who the play was signed for.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a phase.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're usually not reading the defense on a fade.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're just throwing it to that guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then making the play for the touchdown.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then not playing in the second half.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are all suggestive of a player who has like a very real chance to make the roster.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the first time that I feel like we've said Jason Brownlee's name on this podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: Certainly.
[SPEAKER_03]: First time I remember.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jason Brownley, former undrafted free agent with the jets, spent a little bit of time with them last year caught a few passes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he has maybe one NFL touchdown from Mike Whites, or whoever was playing quarterback for the jets last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Southern Mississippi came out two years ago as he was rocking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think that part was with broadgers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was after they've been to broadgers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Such that I was late in the year.
[SPEAKER_01]: The guy has a relative athletic score of eight point nine two, which makes him an eighty-nine percentile, wider seabird.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of that is explosion.
[SPEAKER_01]: His vertical and his broad are both elite at ninety-fourth percentile vertical and a ninety-seventh percentile rounding up, broad jump.
[SPEAKER_01]: on full display on the touchdown.
[SPEAKER_01]: As you said, I mean, going up full extension.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great body control exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so this is a guy that has good size and credible explosion, not incredible straight line speed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he ran a almost a four, six, forty, which is not incredible, but his, his tenure in his twenty yard splits were both well above average.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a idiot percentile for his tenure at split so that short area quickness.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_01]: All of the, all of his best traits is three best traits, vertical broad, ten yards, but all on display on that play.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the playing time again, just was very surprising to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Completely agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was, it was as out of the blue of a roster decision that I can remember in the last couple years, not to say that, I mean, I haven't been watching everything, you know, at camp and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, as closely as other people reporters and stuff have, I just thought that
[SPEAKER_03]: I knew about how the wide receiver rotation would go.
[SPEAKER_03]: I kind of had an idea in my brain about, you know, oh, it'll probably be this guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then it'll probably be this guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then when he threw it, I was like, oh, who caught that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Jason Brownlee on the second pass to game.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah, it was it was certainly surprising.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would like to indulge my ADD for one second about Jason Brownlee's one career touchdown.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was in twenty twenty three.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, okay, last year, the year before it was on the jets.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was during the year that Rogers was hurt.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was by a player that's a former starting quarterback.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I was going to say, I know who this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember who it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Tim Boyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not Tim Boyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love Tim Boyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not Tim Boyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not Tim Boyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: We should have gone in the Tim Boyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tim Boyle did play for the Jets that year, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe I think everyone played for the Jets that year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tim Boyle was obviously very famously lampooned on like the third episode of this podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Back then.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we spent probably ten to twelve minutes, absolutely crushing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Prussian Boyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of the worst college careers of all time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyone should just go Google Tim Boyle.
[SPEAKER_03]: There were four starting quarterbacks for the Jets that you
[SPEAKER_03]: Started with Aaron Rogers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: Remember how that went.
[SPEAKER_03]: Four snaps into the game.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Zack Wilson came in for him and he went four and seven and he was trying his best, but it didn't work out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then they brought in Tim Boyle for two starts.
[SPEAKER_03]: He went on to.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you were right on there.
[SPEAKER_03]: You knew who except the guy to finish the year was former Broncos starting quarterback.
[SPEAKER_01]: Trevor Simmons.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, there you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to give you a little clues.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was going to say slightly taller than Jason Brownley.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cause he is six three, but we have been in Craig blue.
[SPEAKER_01]: I definitely would have got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I didn't know who it was, that would have been the one that tipped it over correct.
[SPEAKER_03]: So Trevor, send me in through Jason Brownley and eight yard touchdown in twenty twenty six or sorry, twenty twenty three Christmas Eve, so late in the year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyways, that was that was ADD.
[SPEAKER_03]: But we're going to go back to just the roster surprises and concept Jason Bradley.
[SPEAKER_03]: The concept of Jason Bradley is really cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like it's the same concept.
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly that we've had for some other guys that haven't worked out.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's similar to the de Andre Hopkins concept or the
[SPEAKER_03]: Justin Ross concept as in an extracever the chiefs need a freaking extracever and Rice isn't it and worthy isn't it and Brown isn't it and due to isn't it and and they need a guy that could jump ball they need a jump ball guy they just have always need and Sammy was great at that I mean that was a cool feature of Sammy was he was an extracever
[SPEAKER_03]: And he was an outside threat and you could throw him a go ball and you could he could jump up and get it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's just an element that the Chiefs haven't had.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so when you try and fit the puzzle pieces and you try and just say, well, who's the tallest guy that we have on the roster right now?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's Jason Brownley at six two as far as receivers.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, right, probably any other receiver profiles higher than him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Certainly not any of the guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know off the top of my head how tall Mac Delane and Jimmy Holiday and those guys are, but I can't imagine anyone were taller than six two.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the chiefs just kind of said, let's, uh, we're on the goal line on the second.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if Jason Bradley would have gotten in if the second play wasn't at the one yard line.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they said we're going to, you know, because he gets in there for worthy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I think they just decided like, well, let's run this, run this, this job ball play and see how it goes.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if he does make the roster, he kind of doesn't seem like a player that would make the roster just to sit there on the end of the bench.
[SPEAKER_03]: He seems like a guy that they would want to get in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: They put him in.
[SPEAKER_01]: for a red zone play from the one yard line on the second play of the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like with the first team offense and with their team offense, exactly like they there was there clearly was, I mean, they clearly talked about that before the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that was clearly, they do very limited game planning for these games, but they obviously, they want to put players as much as they can in in the kinds of game situations that they would expect them to be used in if they're going to make the team certain.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is, it certainly seems significant that he is in the game on the second play of the game when they're at the one-yard line.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he potentially carries a skill set that's different from any other wide receiver on the roster.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be really interesting to see what we see from him in Preseason Game II, if I'm sure we will see him in Preseason Game II.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it will be interesting to see what we see from him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another thing that surprised me from this game, sticking on the offensive side of the ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: the fifth running back out of six to enter this game and not until the second half was pretty sure it's met and I I feel like an idiot because here I was just last week predicting that he was like a lock to make the roster and
[SPEAKER_01]: A guy that's locked to make the roster does not enter the game as RB-five in the second half.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he did play into the fourth quarter.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't play that well either when he was out here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm a little bit surprised because he had one target.
[SPEAKER_01]: It got blown up.
[SPEAKER_01]: He tried to make something happen with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He ended up with a six-yard loss and his still target.
[SPEAKER_01]: Four carries for ten yards.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like
[SPEAKER_01]: The vision that we have all seen in training camp is a guy that, you know, is a former web receiver that is going to be used in a jerk McKinnor role, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's a jerk McKinnor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, that's his path to making the roster.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how he potentially excels.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen a lot of, I mean, national film guys that are very high or were very high in Prochard's fit in this offense.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we just didn't see it at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: And not only did we not see it at all,
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that she's put him in his RB five.
[SPEAKER_01]: He came in after Carson's deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we talked about the running back situation last week, Pacheco is a lock.
[SPEAKER_01]: And beyond that, Green Hunt, Elijah Mitchell, Carson's deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that many of those guys are necessarily locks.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have different levels of emotional and draft capital investment and all those guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: For short, Smith was a seven-round pick, but he is a guy you drafted.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he is a guy who has flashed in training camp.
[SPEAKER_01]: So just sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very surprised by his performance.
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree, I do think it's maybe a little notable that they did get, they got work out of Elijah Mitchell.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, I was kind of wondering between his history and just kind of how careful they would want to be with him, not necessarily that he could play.
[SPEAKER_03]: I figured he, you know, if they wanted to suit him up, they could.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I figured the chiefs would maybe be using some kid gloves with him a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they got him out there.
[SPEAKER_03]: He also, you know, he had three carries for ten yards as opposed to Brashard Smith's four.
[SPEAKER_03]: So just the box score numbers on the ground wasn't great.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I did think that a couple of the times I saw him run, I was kind of like, okay, like, you know, he's, he looks fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: He looks, he looks like a guy that you could at least give a NFL carry to.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, they went to Carson steal as a feature back as a lead back instead of him getting in there as a full back.
[SPEAKER_03]: And some of that's just because they had to rotate these guys through or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, I, you know, designed for Carson steel.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it means that much that he was a half back in his carries instead of a full battery.
[SPEAKER_03]: But what does matter is that he got a shot before for Sean Smith.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's interesting to me because I thought Carson steel was just kind of a relic of last year when it was kind of
[SPEAKER_03]: a cool story, but then he fumble all the time, and then I kind of just thought that like, oh, well, he's a bit alligator.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, he seems like a cool dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just not I didn't think he was like a actual roster much of a threat to make the roster basically is how I've been viewing him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if he's the the fourth running back before Brashard Smith, you know, that doesn't really vote super well, although
[SPEAKER_03]: You do have to remember when Smith was in the second half.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're also dealing with second half offensive line, second half quarterbacks.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the quarterback play we'll talk about, but was certainly below, below standard out of the chiefs there.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, I guess we'll give Richard Smith an incomplete so far for this game, but it is it's a little concerning from the skill position perspective.
[SPEAKER_03]: We talked about Brownley, which was really a cool story and surprising in a positive way.
[SPEAKER_03]: and then Brashard Smith, who was not, I mean, not good and certainly surprising in a negative.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, surprising in a bad way for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Flipping over the defensive side, there weren't as many surprises.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel like on the defensive side of the ball, but one that stuck out to me a little bit
[SPEAKER_01]: was, if you look Sanityka Yuzama, F-A-U, who came in as the edge five, behind Ashton Jalada.
[SPEAKER_01]: He came in a little series after Jalada Jalada came in on the second series, F-A-U didn't get in until the third series.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then F-A-U was playing deep, I mean, he played into, I mean, almost the second to last series on defense in the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, most of the second half
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, he had the most snaps of any edge player in this game, thirty six snaps in this game.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he actually had more snaps than any player on the defense in this game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a player not good when you are playing in a preseason game.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're playing a lot of snaps, that's because
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't know what they have in you and where they know what they have in you and they don't think you're going to make the roster and you're out there to take hits and you know, just grind minutes and showcase them for a potential trade.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is a guy that was a first round pick two years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's disappointing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Jelody obviously guy that people are excited about that's had some some camp buzz, but you know, I think you've got a little bit of pop in camp too.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it feels like watch out for that camp pop buddy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it certainly is not
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, he's obviously a wild bus at this point for where he was drafted.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they're definitely had been, I mean, even when they drafted him and even knowing that, you know, local kid, drafts and Kansas City, whatever, that he was a very young player for a first round pick and might need some time to develop.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well,
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, now it's your three and yeah, you know, he he needs to be developed at this point, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he needs to be developed and the playing time and his his spot in the pecking order would suggest that he's not where he needs to be.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, he's not and and I think it's about I mean, you know, I know there's a lot of sport for him, not only from
[SPEAKER_03]: The case date chiefs fans, but just in general, you don't want your first round picked to become a guy that you're wondering if he's going to make the roster in two years.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's a, that's a steep drop off.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's the reality.
[SPEAKER_03]: The reality is that Felix has not developed the way that the chiefs hoped he would.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, edges in important position.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not really one that you can slow play.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not really one that you can baby a guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: If he's not getting the job done, and especially at his young
[SPEAKER_03]: physical peak of the, you know, athletically, if you're not getting the job done when you're twenty three as an adressure, like you're probably not going to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's probably probably not going to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't really late bloom as an adressure, at least not often.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so yeah, I, I'm concerned, I wouldn't, I guess at this point is
[SPEAKER_03]: wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't make it or at least if he's so down on the depth chart that you know that he gets traded or that next year then he wouldn't make it because this year he's the fringe fifty whatever guy on the roster I mean he's he's not long for for this this roster and maybe this league which is I he's still young I hate to say that but like he just hasn't they hasn't shown it so I hope he does soon
[SPEAKER_01]: One more guy on the defense that kind of stood out to me a guy that we talked about last week is certainly a potential to make the roster.
[SPEAKER_01]: Winebacker room is pretty crowded, but Jeffrey Bassa entered this game as linebacker seven.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which was surprising.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did know we had seven on the roster.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he came in behind behind Cochrane, Cam Jones and Cole Christianson.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the head of only Brandon George.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I will point out that even though we had seven now, I could say why I'm back or seven, that's counting Drew Trankwell who didn't play.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: five linebackers who came out of the game ahead of him in this game and tranquil didn't play because he's he's been a little banged up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he doesn't need the reps and yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: But behind Cochrane Jones and Christianson is a little bit surprising, I will note that he, that all of those guys came out of the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cochrane actually came in on the first drive, but those are the two guys, Jones and Christianson, along with Bassett came in on the second series for the defense.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they got into the game around the same time, but then Jeffrey Bassaf finished the game and this is a really weird I mean like when you're looking at this chart and the dots and everything and if you've watched enough NFL preseason football as we both have
[SPEAKER_01]: These, this visualization is bizarre.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very strange.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of those other guys played like a handful of snaps right after half.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Jeffrey Bass played all the way through the fourth quarter.
[SPEAKER_01]: He played every snap on the last three series of the game for the defense, which
[SPEAKER_01]: which is weird like it just I don't you know he's coming in on the second series which is great and then he's finishing the game which is bad like I just don't know where he stands and you know the couple of plays that I noticed him out there you know he looked like he showed some ability you know he showed some speed and some hitting ability but like I don't know that's the weird one I will say that
[SPEAKER_03]: If there's ever going to be a player profile of someone that you do want to see extended look at during a game, rookie is a great first check mark.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if there's a rookie, you know, you've seen him in camp, but you really haven't seen him hit and guys very often.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so giving an extended look to a guy that you've literally never seen play professional football makes sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's different than FAU.
[SPEAKER_03]: FAU they've seen for a long time and he shouldn't be playing all the time, but like Bassa getting a lot of run here.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I mean, it's maybe it was a conditioning thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he said, hey, I've been, you know, I want to, I want to see if I can push myself through three quarters of a game.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I want to see how how that feels and how that, you know, I mean, that it could have been his request to get a lot of playing time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who knows, I don't know how the politics work about that, but I do think that, you know, that he was a fifth round pick, which is kind of that, like, it's not laid enough to be an easy scratch.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if it's a seventh round pick, or even a sixth round pick, and they don't make the roster, nobody really, nobody really bats night.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of like, well, he's a, he was a late round guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like if you're a fourth round or above, it's like, oh my God, I can't believe he couldn't even make the roster.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was a, he was a, you know, top, top four round guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fifth round is kind of like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, like if he doesn't make it, are you really that surprised or whatever?
[SPEAKER_03]: So I do think he's kind of in that realm of like,
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, his job could be online when they on cut down day.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: It feels like the way they've talked about him and everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they traded back with the Eagles and got a free pick and then picked Jeffrey Basso with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I would feel like for them to just not let him make the fifty three after that would be a little wasteful.
[SPEAKER_03]: But we'll see how I do think though that this is the first game and if we see the same patterns continue.
[SPEAKER_03]: in these next couple games will be able to learn a lot more than what we know so far.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you make an interesting point about the kind of player that he is and to add to the fact that he's a rookie, he's also a linebacker and actually
[SPEAKER_01]: It would make a lot of sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying this is how the cheese feel because I have a talk to anybody in the organization about this, but it would make a lot of sense if their organizational philosophy was, I mean, rookie linebacker, we want him to, we want to see as many live reps against a team that is not ours and that he doesn't know what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as possible in the previous season because when you're in camp, I mean, I know obviously they structure, you know, practices differently, but a lot of times the defense has some idea of what the offense is going to do in vice versa.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the hardest thing for a rookie linebacker in the NFL to do is
[SPEAKER_01]: diagnose what's happening with play and play fast and everything in the modern NFL is geared towards tricking linebackers and so in a way even though the preseason is obviously the playbooks are very dumb down he's playing in the fourth quarter against
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, guys that aren't super likely to make the roster, it makes sense that you would want to get some tape with him, you know, just firing live rounds in a game where he doesn't know at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have any inkling what the opposing offense is going to be doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I don't know, that could be part of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: linebackers in the quarterback of the defense, you know, and so if you had a rookie quarterback that you were curious about, I mean, you would probably want to see a lot of reps from him in the preseason.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so linebacker that does kind of makes some sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: They've got the calls.
[SPEAKER_03]: They've got to figure out even if they're dumb, like it's almost better that they're dumb in the preseason because it's like, OK, let's give them the one on one of being an NFL linebacker and see how he does.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then we can ramp up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Full of them once and then he won't get fooled again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk very briefly since we have not mentioned his name yet on this podcast about Josh Simmons.
[SPEAKER_01]: played exactly the snaps that we expected to play.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was in on the first drive.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was in on the second drive and then he was out of the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: He played ten snaps.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was in with Kingsley Suamata EF for all of those snaps and Creed Humphrey and Tracy Smith through us starting offensive line.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joanne Taylor actually got two snaps there and then was replaced by Jaila Moore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Josh Simitz, he got a, I think it was a sixty-five grade from DFF, depending on who you asked, he either played incredibly well or, you know, average.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anybody was saying that he necessarily played badly, but just, you know, we, we obviously both picked him as a guy that we were very excited to watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I don't have a lot to say about his performance other than
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess that's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: He certainly didn't get beat a lot, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So, here we are.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, still early on in the process, still coming back from an injury.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know he's played.
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't miss a single snap during camp and that's all great.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think you really do have to kind of get some live reps just to get hit and just to kind of go against a person that's not George Crow office or Chris Jones or someone on
[SPEAKER_03]: the chiefs and so you know the chiefs haven't had joint practice so which is great.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that also means that this is the first guys they've any of a lot of these young guys have gone against other than chiefs so great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't I don't take a ton away from PFF in general and certainly the grade here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd be pretty fired up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess if they gave him like a ninety eight or whatever, but seeing this they got a sixty five man, you know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's just he's looks just getting his feet wet.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see.
[SPEAKER_03]: really won't matter until Brazil.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and PFF, you know, what I find to be really frustrating and difficult, I guess that the core PFF grades is that the neutral grade, and a sixty-five is kind of like a neutralish grade, even though on a hundred points scale, that's obviously, I mean, that would be a D, that's not very good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Passing grade, but barely.
[SPEAKER_01]: A sixty-five is sort of like an average performance, but a lot of that
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, they they interject degree of difficulty into these plays and if you're doing normal stuff that everybody's supposed to be able to do and you're doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: perfectly adequately, like that means you're an average player and you're going to get an average grade.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so there wasn't really anything in this game that he did badly.
[SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't anything that he did that was necessarily exceptional, but he did what he needed to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And frankly, if that's what he does all year, that will be the best laugh tackle to chase.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does sound amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, it'll be interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Andy Reed was asked about him after the game said, I wasn't screaming at him, so I figured he did okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: He looked like he had a solid day, especially for his first game.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's smoking his tail off.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I mean, Andy's fine with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fine with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would have been cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's sort of like the, you know, in the Matrix where, you know, Leo's gonna make the jump and they're like, nobody ever makes it the first jump and then the link, okay, yeah, but what if he does?
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, then he didn't, he didn't like fall, you know, he didn't crash.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a perfect analogy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Point is he didn't go out and pancake guy on every plate, but he also didn't give up any pressures and didn't, you know, let the quarterback get touched.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, it's very good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, it's certainly possible for your first free season games rookie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do really quickly awards because I want us to get back into the habit of doing awards.
[SPEAKER_01]: For those of you who are joining us for the first time, welcome Swifties.
[SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate you.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're releasing this on Friday, we're recording on Thursday, so we do not compete at all with the podcast event of our lifemes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Until the next time she's on the podcast, cause I should probably be back.
[SPEAKER_01]: For those of you who are unfamiliar with our format, we have three types of awards.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have our five star men.
[SPEAKER_01]: self-explanatory.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very good players.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have our trashman.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the trashman.
[SPEAKER_01]: I come out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I throw trash all over it all over the ring.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I start eating garbage.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're eating garbage all over the field and we have our wild cards.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're players who are capable of anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we do not have to say a lot about each of these guys, but again, I want to get back in the habit.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's preseason for us too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll kick us off for our five star men.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to pick Jake and Hicks, obviously a second year player for the chiefs excited to see his development.
[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned the play, Kyler Murray threw it straight to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if he did anything to fool Kyler Murray or Kyler Murray just fooled himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, when he was out there, he brought a lot of energy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously the chiefs are,
[SPEAKER_01]: They are going through transition in their secondary with Justin Reed leaving.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, the chiefs have had veteran leaders at safe the pretty much for the entire C-spegmal era.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had Tyramathu, you went straight from Tyramathu to Justin Reed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now they are turning it over to Jaden Hicks and Brian Cook and
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a use movement and it's good to see those guys bring the energy and have a good game, which we did.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if I've started five star man for JD next.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, completely agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: He led the team in interceptions last year as a rookie.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was only three, but the you know, the chiefs didn't pick off the ball.
[SPEAKER_03]: A ton and he showed ball skills and this one, this one was a lot easier than a lot of
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably the easiest pick you'll ever have in his life.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was literally just thrown right to him, but you know, good to see him come down with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree with you for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to keep it easy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Keep it simple.
[SPEAKER_03]: One for one.
[SPEAKER_03]: One yard one touchdown Patrick homes.
[SPEAKER_03]: He played football again.
[SPEAKER_03]: And anytime you place football, that's a important day in my life.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this was no different.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was fun to watch, fifteen, get out there and lead a quick and efficient, thirteen yard offensive touchdown drive in three plays and that was cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, shout out to Pat, five star man first of the season and certainly will be the last.
[SPEAKER_01]: For Trashman wanting you, give me yours first and all circle background.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we've already mentioned this player and this is something that it's more about
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I mean, he was the guy that I was excited to see play in this game that we, I named as as a player that I was really looking forward to watching and, and that's for Shard Smith.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's just more about opportunity lost or opportunity not really captured, uh, four carries for ten yards, one catch for the minus six yards.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he didn't do anything productive in the box score.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I know that's not everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I know that in this preseason game, um, you know, it's, it's more than just if you break off one nice run or something, but he just,
[SPEAKER_03]: He just didn't quite look like a guy that I was thinking could help the chief's offense in twenty twenty five the way that I had been envisioning him all throughout camp and all throughout kind of as soon as they picked him up and it was like oh receiving back converted white receiver.
[SPEAKER_03]: Pat's hitting him on streaks down the down the same as nothing like you know like there was there was some sexiness to research myth on the offense and anytime that type of.
[SPEAKER_03]: type of player is promised or not promised, but potential.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you want to see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You want to see it happen in the preseason.
[SPEAKER_03]: You want to see it happen
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's completely fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: All award my trash band to a player that I wasn't excited to see and probably will not make the roster.
[SPEAKER_01]: He may be, you know, the the taxi squad, you know, backup backup quarterback.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's Bayley's happy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I get that he's QB three behind Pat and Menshu.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the guy has started nine NFL games that he's four and five, by the way, with like a bad Patriots team and a bad Brown team that he picked those wins up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's playing against guys that have not had that kind of experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he looked terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, two exceptions, four yards per attempt.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't driving the ball down the field and he wasn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: keeping the ball safe.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're not driving the ball down the field and you're not keeping the ball safe, what are you doing?
[SPEAKER_03]: What would you say you do here?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Trashman for Bailey's Appie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll turn around and give us the wall card and then I'll let you close this out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just browning.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, again, for a guy to make his first mention on our podcast,
[SPEAKER_01]: when he catches a touchdown on the third play of, free season, the first free season game, and he specifically brought in for Goldmine play, and he's the target, and there was a hell of a catch.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a hell of a catch, and I mean, this is also, I mean, to be clear, you know, the guys that are competing with, I mean, he was an undrafted free agent two years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: The guys around him in terms of playing time and potential to make the roster, uh, tech one, important was the second round pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jalen Rolls was fourth round pick and probably should have been taken higher than that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But two, I mean, another guy that was taken the pick after tech one, Thornton or two picks after tech one, Thornton who we have decided
[SPEAKER_01]: for comedic purposes, not to name ever again on the podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a second round pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nihah or Mija was also an undrafted free agent, but I mean, like these are the guys that he's competing with.
[SPEAKER_01]: And guys is pretty high draft capital and pedigree.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's Jason Brownlee on, you know, the first goal line target of this new, twenty, twenty, five season that's earning the target and making a whole play for touchdown.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is, that's real wild card behavior.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes the wild card is up and down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes it literally is just
[SPEAKER_01]: somebody coming out of nowhere and cutting the brakes, which is what Jason Bradley did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Completely agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Jason Bradley is the wildcard there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go with a guy that was responsible for two takeaways on defense and that's Chris Roy Wallace.
[SPEAKER_03]: I recovered the opening kick for the fumble recovery and then later on had an interception and you know, he wasn't out there.
[SPEAKER_03]: A ton, but, you know, I mean, I remember the first time I was kind of made aware of Chris Roland Wallace's presence.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you remember what game it was?
[SPEAKER_03]: That I was like, oh, he's like a dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: At San Francisco.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You went to San Francisco and he picked off Rock Party and I was just like, oh, no, it was a really nice play.
[SPEAKER_03]: I forgot we had this guy in the secondary.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was kind of a, I mean, I think they were dealing with maybe some some corner injury situations and stuff, but anyways, he
[SPEAKER_03]: is interesting, and he's a guy that, you know, he's not really talked about as anybody that anybody is expecting to do, you know, carry a lot of weight for the chief's defense, but, you know, he's probably going to make the fifty-three-man roster.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's certainly one of the conversations for a DB back into the DB room, and he's, he's nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: He had a nice day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see if he can keep stacking them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's talk briefly about the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Chiefs are going to play tomorrow night, Friday night in Seattle at the Seahawks.
[SPEAKER_01]: This would normally be the regular season dress rehearsal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, when there were four preseason games, the Chiefs had a very well established policy under any read that they were going to play the starters into the second half in the third preseason game.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then everyone that was a lock for the roster that could sit would sit in the fourth preseason game.
[SPEAKER_01]: They dropped it down to three games.
[SPEAKER_01]: Game two became that game for the chiefs where they were going to get some extended run from the starters, but Andy Reed says there's good chance Patrick Holmes is not going to play at all in this game, which is frankly a little bit shocking to me, just because this is Andy Reed, we're talking about this is not a new coach who's new to the NFL.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably, I mean, he, at this point, he has, he is the longest tenured, the longest tenured active coach in the NFL, not a bell check isn't coaching.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he certainly is one of the longest tenured coaches with a single team.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he is always done things the same way every year, every time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Patrick Holmes is always played in the regular season dress rehearsal.
[SPEAKER_01]: at least into the second quarter, you know, he'll always say they'll play some in the second half and sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, but they're always getting, they're always playing the game and they're getting some reps out there for him to decide and he was worried about it unless I missed it, like he didn't say why.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't say, oh, I decided to do things differently this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just said he's probably not going to play.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, all right, well, that's
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how you, it's different from how you've been doing it for twenty four years.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the little bit odd.
[SPEAKER_03]: What else, what other surprises they're going to spring on us like are any of the starters going to play, you know, like if you go back, you would think that, I mean, all bets are off for anybody sitting and that I would think that, you know, maybe he's just going to take the first rotation out.
[SPEAKER_03]: and just elongate the second rotation and just kind of kind of give, I mean, first of all, Pat barely played in the first game.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we basically, you know, the first team often, yeah, the first team offense was barely out there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so with a veteran team like the chiefs, you really don't need the first team a whole lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: You really don't need them to go out there and they know the playbook, they were just in the fucking Super Bowl a couple of weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, it was very, they're all,
[SPEAKER_03]: very aware of what's going on and I just think that maybe Andy, he's such a player's coach, he could have also talked to them.
[SPEAKER_03]: And just be like, does anybody really want to play this?
[SPEAKER_03]: I know what you guys all have on on the first string.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know everything that you're about, you know, do you, does anybody really is anyone itching to get out there and Seattle on their field and and maybe maybe tear something or whatever and go out there, even though your job is secure and there's no reason to.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm sure the guys, if you did ask them, we're probably like, no, I'm good man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's young guys play.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so
[SPEAKER_03]: It is a it's an evolution of of his practices, but he hasn't always had now lately in Kansas City has, but he hasn't always had this like extremely veteran laden, you know, war veteran been there done that type of thing, if they have.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the rest of the offense is is battle tested and there you know, those guys he really doesn't have a lot of guys on that first string where he even is wondering, I mean, Josh Simmons is the guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm sure he's gonna play.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm shocked if they didn't play Simmons and outside of him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, you know, I guess Kingsley, you probably want to see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the starting offensive line will probably be up.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is normally they like to create those.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they like to play this unit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they're the kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: The guys are going to play next to in week one.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, but certainly position, I mean, position player.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm going to be out there that long.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, probably not that long.
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably no, not that long.
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably no, Trave probably no juju, probably no Pacheco.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess outside of them, everyone else is probably fair game to play.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hollywood won't play, of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I think that anyone who expects any of the main starting position players to play in this game, you're probably probably going to be disappointed.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I ever sued that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just really, it's strange.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a little bit strange too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously Patrick Holmes doesn't need the reps, and he doesn't need to show us anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: The white receiver battle is a pretty important one.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we just talked about, especially with Rashiv, probably playing in week one, it's going to be competitive at the bottom of the roster.
[SPEAKER_01]: At the bottom of the white receiver room, those guys are going to have to go battle it out with gardener mentioned.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I guess they'll all have gardener mentioned at the quarterback.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like one of them is going to be at a disadvantage.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is harder to get a good evil on
[SPEAKER_01]: your wide receivers when you got the back of quarterback out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a really interesting, I mean, I think what else is strange about it is that
[SPEAKER_01]: He just said it and didn't explain why it was happening and and just let us to all wildly speculate about, you know, I mean, like, is mapping punished?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this like his, you know, did he, did he break her few or something?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, during training camp, like was he going out, t being people in St.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joe or whatever and he's grounded, like what's what's going on?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what is what's the deal?
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't imagine Pat did anything other than exactly what he's supposed to do at all times.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's never done anything except for exactly what he's supposed to do at all times.
[SPEAKER_03]: Literally, we never talked about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Pat is just perfect.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's perfect.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like not in like the, oh, he's perfect.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he's literally perfect.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: So no, I think I think it was Pat's call.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Andy probably said you want to play in this game and Pat goes not me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I, I got, I got it figured out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't need to don't need to go out there and risk the season.
[SPEAKER_03]: And because that's what you're doing every time you step on the football field, you are risking your season.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you're fighting to be able to have the right to play in a season, I get it for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Go bust your ass.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like any of those guys that have a job locked, why would they want to go out there and even touch another player?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it doesn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think this was all paths doing and I am a hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: completely totally fair from a previous standpoint.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, really the only thing to discuss here is who's stock needs to improve or who's stock do you want to improve from game one to game two?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the guys that are on the fringe of the roster.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who is it that you want to see elevate this week?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just give me just giving a guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we've talked about a lot of guys that would fit this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll go with Bassa.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that I want to make sure, just for a more draft capital perspective, I would like to see, I didn't think before this game, the Bassa's position was endowed.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I would like to see him elevate his game and secure his spot on the roster.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: For me, it's for sure, it's me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, honestly, like if he doesn't make the team,
[SPEAKER_01]: They better be feeling really good about Elijah Mitchell.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just about his ability, but also about his health because we talked about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like, they better not be calling a running back in October.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brett Beach said, I mean, Brett Beach compared Elijah Mitchell to
[SPEAKER_01]: to Jerk McKinnon and sure he made that comparison and every talking head, every film guy, every punted out there is compared, which starts with to Jerk McKinnon and you don't need to Jerk McKinnon's otherwise.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you better make sure that whichever guy you take is Jerk McKinnon and not
[SPEAKER_01]: an off injured twenty seven year old running back that hasn't done a whole lot of league or you know a seventh round pick that didn't look very good in preseason game one like you better make sure that you you pick the right guy or that you've made some contingency plants here because this running back room is not very talented at the top and it's also not that deep where
[SPEAKER_03]: No, you know, I mean, it could be the worst running back room in the NFL.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, say that we've been saying that for probably the last two or three seasons, but correct.
[SPEAKER_03]: And let's not forget to Jerk McKinnan had injury issues.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're, if everyone was saying he's the next Jerk McKinnan, it was just a great loss until, you know, yeah, yeah, bring him bring him out and December and love us in to January and of course, February, two time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Superb.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll champion Jerk the Killing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, for me it's a bit of a threat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to see, I just want to see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it would have to be from Gardner, Mintu, or someone on down the roster at this point, but you know, just get a mountain space and let them catch one of those bombs in this game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just just for fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want the cheese to be able to see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I want him to make the team.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I got invested.
[SPEAKER_01]: I bought some of the training camp hype, but now I'm bought in and I would have been ready.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I may have some shirts with dice to share somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what I'm talking about?
[SPEAKER_03]: One of us has him somewhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen his ownership in the two of us somewhere, but I don't think that got him stashed away somewhere, but we will see what happens tomorrow night in Seattle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Preseason game two will be back next week to discuss those going on and look forward to the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: Preseason and start the regular season coming up for you know it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always sunny.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's going to see you all next time.
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